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James brings his big sister Samantha Sellars onto the podcast — curriculum manager by day, BookTok evangelist by night — and the result is an hour of family chaos: the graduation purse cigarette ambush, a toddler-James getting tricked by Toy Story walkie talkies, how Sam accidentally introduced her boyfriend to extreme M/M torture fiction, and whether 300 years of alien luxury living is worth getting eaten at the end.
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What is The Tracksuit Podcast?
The Tracksuit Podcast is media industry professionals sit down with fellow creatives, filmmakers, and experts for wide-ranging authentic, unfiltered conversations about the entertainment industry - covering everything from the business of entertainment to the unexplained. Hosted by BJ Hendricks and James Cullen Bressack.
James: Welcome to the Tracksuit podcast. Hello and welcome to the new episode of the Tracksuit podcast. Today on this episode, we have my sister, Samantha Sellers, who... Sam, what do you do?
Samantha Sellars: Yeah, we don't we don't talk about it.
James: No, she's she's my big sister. She has a job.
Samantha Sellars: I do have a job. And it's a thing. Yes, I get paid money for this thing.
James: Yes. What is it?
Samantha Sellars: So my official title is that I'm the curriculum and digital education manager for Provana and Zotos.
James: She just made up a lot of words in one sentence.
Samantha Sellars: But it's funny because literally at my actual job. No one knows exactly what I do. They're like, OK, this sounds like it could be something you do. So I'm just going to I'm just going to task you with it.
James: And so you're like, that's not my job.
Samantha Sellars: And I'm like, I love that you thought of me. But that's that's not anything that I have anything to do with. Like I've been asked if I could design something. And I'm like, so that's really cool. But I'm not a graphic designer.
James: You did go to art school.
Samantha Sellars: I did go to art school for comic book illustration. I went to Academy of Art in San Francisco. Growing up I had this tendency where I would just make decisions for myself and I would talk about it with myself and then I would just inform the rest of my family that this was the decision I had made. So I just announced to my mother I was going to be moving to San Francisco. How long were you in San Francisco? A year. Oh, cool. Yeah. And then I was just like, I'm done. And I just moved back to L.A. And it was my my mom had moved into Culver City at the time. And I told her when she was looking for a house, don't factor me into the equation. I'm moving to San Francisco. I'm an adult. I don't need to live with you. And so I came back and my mom had to move me into I'd know where to live. So she moved me into my sister's room.
BJ: Oh,
Samantha Sellars: and my sister was not pleased about it. But I was an adult. So I would like we have
James: there's a third one of us.
Samantha Sellars: Yes, but we don't... She's like Bruno in Canto. We don't talk about Bruno.
BJ: Yeah, because I don't know about it. I know both of y'all.
James: We love Jackie, but there's an ongoing joke between me and Samantha because her and I hang out a lot as friends and are very close. Obviously, we love Jackie, but me and Sam will go out to bars together and do things together, and a lot of my friends haven't met Jackie, and so they're like... She doesn't actually exist.
Samantha Sellars: Well, one of your friends, Danny, Danny literally was like, you don't have another sibling. It's just it's just this one.
BJ: Danny from Stupid Gangs.
James: Danny Manning.
BJ: Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: No, no, there's there's a third one. There's one in between us.
BJ: Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah.
BJ: Oh, my God. I did not know this. And I feel like a bad friend because I don't know this. The Hidden Sister. The Bruno. That's the title of this whole episode.
James: Hidden Sister. Crouching Tiger Hidden Sister. So let's talk about some of that. So dad used to make a lot of home videos. And maybe I'm thinking about this because I just shot on a movie that was all on a VHC tape, which essentially was what he was recording on. There were two home videos in particular that are two of my favorites. One was your graduation.
Samantha Sellars: Which I will explain but another one I think if we're thinking of the same one was when mom was in the hospital and you were being born and I was asked on camera if I was excited to have the baby brother and I looked deadpan in the camera and said no.
James: No no no I wasn't going to say that one but thank you. That's exactly how we're going to
Samantha Sellars: advertise this episode. Just that right there.
James: But I was actually going to talk about how there was a home video because you had written and directed a small play with me as the star when I was a little kid. I was like, what, like three? You
Samantha Sellars: weren't the star. You were the dragon.
James: I was the green machine. I had a whole song.
Samantha Sellars: I wrote you a song and Jackie was supposed to be the...
James: But she was the first director I ever worked with.
Samantha Sellars: Yes. I was a writer director for this.
James: She was like seven.
Samantha Sellars: But here's... No, way older than that. You were 10 then. So
James: I was two or three. Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: This is like one of the benefits of having a big age gap between your siblings. You can force them to be. Yeah. So I am almost five years older than my sister and seven years older than my brother.
BJ: Oh,
Samantha Sellars: OK. So I was like, this is perfect. I can just make them do what I want them to do. And because I'm their older sibling, they have to listen to me. So I wrote this elaborate. I used to do reenactments of every Disney movie. I made my mom get me all the costumes and everything. That's
BJ: fucking awesome.
Samantha Sellars: And so I was like, well, I'm going to make my own. I'm going to do this. And I wrote this whole thing. I was the like evil sorcerer had to be the villain, obviously. And then I was like, look at
James: your shirt, cute, but psycho. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: Had to be the villain. Had to be the villain. So I was like, okay, I'm going to cast my brother. He's, he's small. So I'm going to be like, he can, he's going to be the, the, the dragon, like my henchman. And I was like, and Jackie is going to be, she wore like one of the sleep or not sleeping beauty, the bell, like ball gown dresses. I was like, and she'll be the princess. None of them listened to me and they ended up circling me because he took being a dragon very seriously. I was three. I wanted to eat people. He was chasing my sister who was screaming and I So frustrated. I'm just standing and I was a really tall little kid. So I'm like towering over them. I'm just bawling my eyes out in frustration. And my dad stepped in in no way. And the camera just went like this because it was shaking from him laughing so hard. Which is also what happened at my graduation. Yeah. Yeah.
James: Tell the graduation video because I love this is such a such a hilarious story.
Samantha Sellars: Um, so I also want to preface this with, um, I had a deal with my parents that they would basically give me no curfew and let me kind of do what I wanted as long as I got straight A's. And I basically did. I graduated in like the top 5% of my class and there were 500 people that were graduating. Oh,
James: wow. We went to the same high school, Hamilton High School. Yes.
Samantha Sellars: And I had my purse and I didn't want to bring my purse onto the stage when I graduated and got my very special tassel. So I handed my mom my purse. Now, I don't know why she felt the need to open said purse and look inside it. But she did. And I found that out when I came off the stage and was greeted by my dad holding his camcorder and my mom off camera saying, so you smoke camel lights, do you? And I just went, what? And she just goes, I saw them in your bag. You left them there for me to find. And I went, I handed you my bag so I could walk across the stage. And she was like, no, I can't believe. And she's berating me. And I'm crying. People are coming up to me like, we're going to see each other again. So I'm like, I don't care about you. And the camera is shaking because my dad is laughing so hard.
James: He's just filming the whole thing. He does
Samantha Sellars: not cut, does not interrupt, doesn't do anything, just films the whole thing. And then our whole family, our entire extended family came out to California from France and the East Coast for a big family reunion. And so my dad plays the video for everyone.
James: It was my favorite video. Hey, you want to watch the thing where Sam gets berated on her graduation? Yeah, yeah. Where he's just like at home and he's like,
BJ: let me put it on for everybody at home.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah, he was like, come gather around, gather around. Let me show you my latest video that I've put
James: together.
Samantha Sellars: Like literally, he was like, sit down. But... I think that's something that I don't know if that's what people who didn't grow up in the entertainment industry went through. I don't think so. Because everything was a production. That was
James: uniquely wacky, too, though, because the whole Toy Story thing, what he did to me when I was a kid.
Samantha Sellars: Oh, my God. What's the Toy Story thing? Oh, my God. Sam, do
James: you want to tell this story?
Samantha Sellars: So... My brother was really into and if I call him Jimmy and not James, it's because I cannot call him James. I've never known him as James. But he was so into like WWE.
BJ: Same.
Samantha Sellars: Very into wrestlers. And he had these like smash brother like wrestling dolls
James: that would talk to each other.
Samantha Sellars: Like you would, and you could like punch them and they would go like, ow, you're ripping my arm or something like that. So my dad got these walkie talkies.
James: After I had seen Toy Story.
Samantha Sellars: Yes, which is important because the toys come to life.
James: Spoiler
Samantha Sellars: alert. And so he put these walkie talkies behind the toys and my brother's like moving in bed and my dad used the walkie talkie. He goes, oh, you're bending my arm, Jimmy. And he screamed so loud that he ran out of the room going, they know me, they know me. But I also want to say like to mom's credit, too, because like the whole graduation video and situation, you know, she tells people this like this is part of her introduction of me when the first time she met Chris, who's my boyfriend sitting over there. But she was like, oh, did you know that Samantha hid cigarettes in her purse when she was graduating?
James: Well, she didn't know how to say what you do for a living, so she had to tell them that. That's her story that she goes
BJ: with. Camelites do you.
Samantha Sellars: I was like, oh, my God. But it's also like I don't know what it is about family. And I don't know if it's every family or just ours that like the things you did years ago when you were almost a different person are now just synonymous with who you are.
James: Oh, yeah. Mom brings up like all this stuff from my childhood. Like you were so difficult when you were little. I was like, Mom, it's been like 20 years. Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: Well, when she was like, but you do it, too. You do you and Jackie be like, oh, remember how like disgusting your apartment was when you were in college?
James: Samantha, there was a moldy half eaten hot dog on the floor and I tried to throw it out and you said, no, I'm saving it.
Samantha Sellars: I did. OK, no, I did not say that. But there was a hot dog. But I also like mom gave us no like we had no chores growing up. We had like what are you talking about? All she would do is come into my
James: room and go clean your room.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah. But what was the consequence if you didn't?
James: That's true.
Samantha Sellars: So we had no chores growing up. So I moved into an apartment and I was like, oh, there's a dishwasher. This is easy. Loaded the dishwasher. I came back. I was like, why are they still dirty? I don't understand.
James: When you almost burned down the house because you didn't know you had to put water into Easy Mac?
Samantha Sellars: Yeah.
James: How'd that happen? She just put the plastic thing in the microwave and turned on the microwave. Oh, word. And it was like green
Samantha Sellars: smoke came billowing out of the microwave.
BJ: Easy Mac. Yeah. Wasn't that easy?
Samantha Sellars: It wasn't Easy Mac. It was like the rotini thing, like the spaghetti thing. I just was like, oh, I guess it just heats up or something. Put it in there. But that's also like, it's not my fault. I was given soy sauce to drink as a child.
BJ: Yeah, you were. Wait, what? My grandmother, our
Samantha Sellars: grandmother has no sense of smell. Had no sense. She passed away. She did on my birthday. She had no sense of smell. And my mom was on this like health kick for me when I was like three or four. And she was like, I have this special juice in this like little bottle that like Sam can drink. And so I was thirsty and I was like, Gammy, can I have some? I'm thirsty. And she was like, OK. And she went in the fridge, found a bottle, gave it to me or poured it in a cup. And she was like, here you go. And I went. I don't like this. She goes, well, this is the soda that your mom said you could have. And I went, well, it's yucky soda. And then she looked at the bottle and she had been giving me soy sauce.
James: So shots of soy sauce. But also my love of horror films really came from you because Sam was super into horror films when she was, you know, younger and still now. But it was like how I was able to hang out with her. She would she'd be watching a horror film and I would like brave watching it with her. And so I was like, what, like four and five watching horror movies with you. And you're like, you know, forcing me to watch Hellraiser.
Samantha Sellars: Yep. I think the first one was
James: Hellraiser. Yeah. And like a pitch black. Yes. And as well as there's my Hellraiser tattoo. I realize I have to hold it higher and and pitch black. And also, are you afraid of the darks? We watched a lot of that. So.
BJ: Which was unbelievably scary when you give the age that we were all watching that at. You think now and be like, oh man, it's good for nine year olds. And it's like, probably not.
Samantha Sellars: No, but all these things that I look back on that were super scary. Um, that I watched when I was a kid. I look at them now. I'm like, oh God, no, those were really scary. Like kids nowadays cannot handle this stuff. Well, I mean,
James: yeah, you have a son that was, you know, about your age when you were showing me these. Would you, would you let him watch Hellraiser?
Samantha Sellars: Absolutely not. Why were
James: you watching him then?
Samantha Sellars: Because I had no supervision. Because we're
BJ: a badass. I'm going to push it back to that because like one thing I grabbed on towards on this conversation is you were in San Francisco and you were going for comic book drawing and then I just realized you posting here recently like instead of most of us who are just scrolling through our phones your son's like sitting at a desk drawing. Yeah he loves
James: drawing.
BJ: Which is super awesome.
James: Yeah Logan loves drawing.
Samantha Sellars: Well he loves these like
James: And he likes his uncle. I knew that the older he would get, he would like me more than my other sister. They had this
Samantha Sellars: weird competition about it. I
James: am the best uncle.
Samantha Sellars: You're his only uncle. No, he has another
James: uncle. I took him to Disneyland for his first Disneyland trip. I am the best uncle.
Samantha Sellars: He refused to go on any ride. He loved it.
James: There's a photo of him eating a pickle. He had a great time. Big
Samantha Sellars: pickle. I have a pickle to pick about pickles. At the Renaissance Fair yesterday.
James: Not good pickles.
Samantha Sellars: I literally took a bite of a pickle. There's nothing worse than a bad pickle.
James: Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: I took a bite and it had no crunch. I have yet
James: to have a bad pickle. It
Samantha Sellars: had no crunch.
James: Boobies are mushy pickles. I like boobies too.
Samantha Sellars: It had no crunch and it didn't have the like... The bite that a pickle should have, it just kind of tastes like a mushy cucumber. Yeah, but they didn't have
James: bites back in the Middle Ages. But
Samantha Sellars: it was in a plastic.
James: That was authentic pickling.
Samantha Sellars: No, it wasn't. It was in a plastic bag that you had to tear open. I literally took a bite. They had plastic bag in the Middle
BJ: Ages. Dude, that is a great title, the Samantha's Pickles. That's some good shit, though. You could have your own YouTube channel just be testing pickles.
Samantha Sellars: Right? I literally took a bite out of it, and I just went... I'm not going to eat this. And I just handed it to Chris. Like, I don't want it anymore. Like a child.
James: So what's it like being a mom now? Did you, did you think, did you think that you were ever going to be a mother or?
Samantha Sellars: I knew I wanted to be a mom, but like I had this idea that I was going to have like a ton of kids. Cause I, growing up, I was like, you have multiple children. Like that was the thing. And then one ends
James: up as a Jackie and you're like, you know, there always has to be one. I'm joking. Sorry,
Samantha Sellars: Jackie. But I was just like, I had this idea, but I don't feel that we as society prepare parents truly for what it's like to be a parent. Especially
James: raising a kid during COVID. That must have been like such a surreal time. Especially
Samantha Sellars: such a social child. It was so hard. But also like there are things that like we should tell women about with like in regards to pregnancy and childbirth that we just don't. And because of that, I was like, I never want to be pregnant ever again. It was. And so I tell people I have friends who call me. I wish I was making this up. They call me so that I can basically give tell them how it is so they don't feel bad about not having children.
BJ: And I love my child. Oh, geez. I
Samantha Sellars: love my child. I love him to death.
BJ: Samantha's new book, You Don't Have To.
James: Yes. So speaking of books, you have a following on TikTok and Instagram where you talk about books. You're very in that world of books and you just went to a book fair. I didn't know that. I mean, you were always an avid reader, but you seem much more into it now. What's kind of brought that and what is that world now? Because there's a lot of... Controversy to these types of books.
Samantha Sellars: I think it's the same with like any like culture genre like that focuses on a genre. I feel like it's the same with the entertainment industry, too, is that people sometimes there's a large sect of people who have a hard time separating fantasy from reality. Like when you think about people who like look at celebrities and they feel like they're entitled to know everything about them and they feel like they know them, but they only know the characters that they play. In the book talk community, you have people who are literally like... Obsessing over characters that a don't exist or people who are dressing up as the characters and people think that they are. There was like a whole controversy that happened at a book convention where a creator was there and people were putting air tags in his like on his person so they could find out what hotel room he was in.
James: That's crazy.
Samantha Sellars: It's insane. But and that's not why I got into book talk like why I got into it because I was I've always been a reader. And I was like, finally, other people are reading books and I can talk to them about it.
James: I mean, yeah, but for me, it seems like out of nowhere, like it was the Harry Potter series was super popular. Then there was like some books people talked about, but now it's like it seems like there's like books are way back more than they ever have been in a way. Do you think that's because of like the boom of AI and people are just more focused on having something tangible you can hold again? Or is it that this just genre of these romanticies has like kind of, you know, taken off?
Samantha Sellars: Well, I think with the romanticcy genre is really what kind of pushed things into the forefront because you have they are predominantly books that are written by women. For women. So it's hitting on a lot of different things. But for me, I do like a lot of the fantasy books and stuff like that. I always have.
BJ: Game of Thrones. Loved Game of Thrones. Before it ever was a TV series.
Samantha Sellars: Oh yeah, no. I would read them and I would watch my family and I'd be like, are you going to watch The Red Wedding?
BJ: Because you knew. I knew what was going to happen.
Samantha Sellars: Oh, hell yeah. I read the Game of Thrones books. I read the Lord of the Rings books. I read all the Harry Potter books. Team Slytherin? I mean, I literally I've literally been like through every kind of test you can have and I get Slytherin every time. Slytherin!
BJ: I'm in that same boat.
Samantha Sellars: I literally like I prefer like my preferred genre is like I like a little bit of spookiness to it. Like I want it a little bit darker. Like I want it to be bloody. Like
James: Stephen King?
Samantha Sellars: No, I do like the like, I like a little banter. So there's this one book. It's actually getting made into a movie. There are two books that like got kind of blew up. One was called Butcher and Blackbird and the other one is called Lights Out. Lights Out is getting turned into I believe a Netflix series. And Butcher and Blackbird is getting turned into a feature film.
BJ: Both great titles for sure.
Samantha Sellars: It is. They're dark romantic comedies.
BJ: Oh.
Samantha Sellars: And like Butcher and Blackbird is essentially about two serial killers that hunt other serial killers and they do it together as like a game.
James: So like little Dexter vibes. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: And it's hilarious. It's so funny and it's dark and twisted. And I love that. And I like the banter. I like reading something like that. But... I think for me, like one of the biggest booms that I've also seen, yes, reading. But you have people who are, you know, look at L.A. People are commuting. So they don't always have time to sit and read. So you
James: can listen to them. So
Samantha Sellars: the audio books are
James: cast actors now. Yeah,
Samantha Sellars: they. But it's not just that there are. So there are multiple different types of audio books. Now there's single narration where it's just one person who reads the entire book.
BJ: Mm hmm.
Samantha Sellars: Then there's dual narration where one person reads like you basically will have like, for example, a female narrator and a male narrator. And if there's like two POVs. Right. But one person reads all of the chapter and does all the voices in that chapter. And then the other narrator does all the voices in their chapter. I hate that one more than I hate anything in my life. And is
BJ: there one that you're getting to that's just like everybody does, different people do every voice?
Samantha Sellars: So, yeah. That's how they're
BJ: releasing the Harry Potters
James: right now in Audible.
Samantha Sellars: Yes. So then there's the two that I prefer, which are duet narration, where you have two narrators who are going back and forth like a conversation. And I love that if it's like that. Then there are the full cast narration. Mm-hmm. And then on top of that is graphic audio. So graphic audio and
James: sound effects and music.
Samantha Sellars: There's this one for you. There's this one book series. I didn't know this. It's the Empyrean series. Most like the first book is called Fourth Wing. And it's like basically a. It's like a military academy, but with dragons. And it's fucking awesome. But when you listen to the graphic audio of Fourth Wing, you hear wing beats.
James: Is this the dragon book that Logan's obsessed with? No, oh my
Samantha Sellars: God, no. Logan's
James: obsessed with this book series with dragons that he's read seven of them. Yeah, no,
Samantha Sellars: that's called Wings of Fire. That's for children. Fourth Wing is absolutely not for children. There's a lot of very graphic sex. I didn't know. I don't know either. Oh God, no, no.
BJ: You're like, no,
James: my 10 year old is not
BJ: listening to that. That's leading me to the question of how does the sex play out on the audio situation?
Samantha Sellars: So...
BJ: It's a little porny.
Samantha Sellars: It is definitely a little porny. I have had multiple instances with specific books that tend to be very graphic. I do a lot of driving for work. My commute is sometimes like two hours.
James: Wow. You're just listening to porn in the car.
BJ: Dragon porn. Dragon porn.
Samantha Sellars: No, I like the plot and I tend to feel it. Yeah, I watch my porn for the plot
BJ: too, Sam. Same, same, same, same.
Samantha Sellars: Listen, but there's the difference. I just want to see if the pizza guy was bringing the right pizza. I
BJ: said, that teacher's keeping her after class. You know what
Samantha Sellars: I mean? I've gone through like Starbucks drive-thrus because I'm like, I need to, you know.
James: Oh, they hear it? Ha ha!
BJ: That's a
James: good scene. Oh, yeah, that is. That's a funny scene. The first
Samantha Sellars: time it happened, I was really embarrassed. The second time it happened, they were like, oh, are
James: you listening to blah, blah,
Samantha Sellars: blah? I listen to that too. The third time, it wasn't on accident. I did it on purpose and cranked it up. And I was like, let's see what happens. At that point, I was like, I just want the
James: chaos. But I mean, these books are a little taboo because they are a little adult.
Samantha Sellars: Oh, like there's definitely that. And when you get into like the subgenre of like dark romance, they tend to have a trigger warning list.
James: Oh, really?
Samantha Sellars: Like Butcher and Blackbird has like a two page trigger warning list, which includes accidental cannibalism.
James: Oh, man. So they didn't do a trigger warning for the episode of South Park where Scott Malkinson had to eat his parents. That was accidental cannibalism right there.
BJ: Surprise.
Samantha Sellars: No, but there's multiple different... I read this one book that had so many trigger warnings that... That it literally was like, you know what, I'm not going to list them here. Here's a QR code. You can just go to our website and look at them there.
James: Damn. That's some fucked up shit.
Samantha Sellars: Like it gets dark. And what's funny was like, I, I just like to read like all. I've always been a very fast reader. So I would just breeze through these books and I was like, oh, this is so great. And I really wanted to have someone that I could read with, like do a buddy read for this one book. Because I, for most of last year, like I would do a monthly TikTok live where my friend and I would just get to talk to the authors of the books that we were reading. And I had scheduled one with this one author, Luna K. Wicked. And I was like, well, I don't want to read this book on my own or just have like Kat read it, who is my my co-star. And I was like, oh, I know what I'll do. I'm going to have my boyfriend read it with me. So I had Chris read it. I didn't prepare him for it.
James: He's like, whoa, what the fuck is this?
Samantha Sellars: It's it's not a romance in any way. It is basically like torture. Like it is literally a person being tortured.
James: Oh, it's just like hostile.
Samantha Sellars: Yes. But there is. What book
James: is this?
Samantha Sellars: Oh, it's
James: hostile.
Samantha Sellars: So it's it's it's very clearly. The author was like, this is not a romance, but it is considered to be a dark romance because there's sex in it. And it's an M.M. So it's male, male. And so I was like,
James: oh, let me have BJ's taking notes. He's like him and his husband are about
BJ: to read. I see this buddy classic happening here.
Samantha Sellars: If you read it, let me know your thoughts. But I think it's very well written. It's called Painter's Obsession. There's volume one and volume
BJ: two. Is there audio for this thing? Is there an audio book yet? Yes, there is.
Samantha Sellars: Actually, the audio book. BJ was
James: like, if not, hire me to read that. Yeah, yeah,
Samantha Sellars: yeah. An audiobook actually just came out. And it has two of the biggest male narrators. When she told me who her narrators were, I almost fell to the floor because I was so happy for her because she's not a very well-known big-time author. That's awesome. And what's the name of the book? Plug it for her. It's called Painter's Obsession. Mm-hmm. By Luna K. Wicked. It also has a lot of like like there are no white characters in it, which I absolutely love. So it has a lot of representation. And the main character. Yes. The main character is basically like. Oh, my God. I forgot the name of the of the character that is in American Psycho.
James: Patrick Bateman,
Samantha Sellars: Patrick Bateman. He's basically like Patrick Bateman. He is a true like sociopath. But he's also a painter, but he's a lawyer. And it is it's fantastic. And the audio book, which is on Audible, it has Corvin King and Joe Arden are the narrators and they do a fantastic job.
BJ: That's awesome. It's a whole world that I didn't even know. No sound effects. Where's the sound effects for that? I said, was that the paint dropping on that situation? The splat splat on that
Samantha Sellars: deal? So because I'm such a fast reader and I'll read books, but then I'd like to go back and read them again. So I had read Painter's Obsession already. Three times
James: before Chris finished it?
Samantha Sellars: No, I read it one time. I read it one time and I was doing a reread with him. So there were certain scenes
James: So you had already read it and you were like, hey, to my boyfriend, this is what we should read together. We're going to
Samantha Sellars: reenact. And I felt bad because he trusted my opinion. Because at first I was like, the first book I had him read was Butcher and Blackbird. He was like, oh, this is an amazing book. I love it. It was very lighthearted. And I was like, I'm glad you like that. Here's Painter's Obsession. Let's read this together. And
James: also Butcher and Blackbird sounds like the more violent one than Painter's Obsession. Painter's Obsession just sounds like an art piece. It's like, oh yeah. It's like a HGTV show. You know what that reminds me of is when I was like really in my like art phase of watching films. And I was seeing all these movies at like the new art or the new Bev.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah.
James: And a movie had just came out that was a French movie and I wanted to go see it, but it was R and I couldn't go. And so I was like, Dad, there's this new movie that came out that's supposed to be really great. Come with me. I didn't know anything about it. I just wanted to see it because it was a foreign film. And so I was like, OK, cool. He was like, all right, whatever. So he took me to go see the movie. The movie I asked him to go take me to see was Blue is the Warmest Color. Which is just like graphic, graphic lesbian sex throughout the entire movie. And my dad like turns to me like five minutes in and goes, why did you want me to take you to this? And I was like, I probably should not have had you take me to
Samantha Sellars: this. Honestly, he should have learned his lesson because you remember when he took us, like his choice, he took us to go see A History of Violence.
James: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love the history of violence. That's David Cronenberg. How old were you at that point?
BJ: I was like 13. My dad was, oh, we're just going to go to this movie because he wanted to see it randomly. Everything else was age appropriate until I'm young, young, young. And it was like Unforgiven.
James: Oh, I love Unforgiven. It's a great movie.
BJ: It's like shooting people and that shit. And I'm just like, that and Tombstone. Oh, I love
James: Tombstone. I love Tombstone. That
BJ: was my dad's like, we're going to sit through this situation. I was like, traumatized. This is not Ninja Turtles. This is not Ninja Turtles.
Samantha Sellars: Well, I had a similar thing with mom where I really wanted to go see... We went to the Lemley because I wanted to go see a movie and it looked like a real, the cast was great. So I was like, I really want to see it. So my mother and I alone together went and saw Secretary, which is a very graphic movie about BDSM.
James: Oh, I have I have a story about taking having mom watch a movie and Jackie watch a movie with me that I did not pick. They picked. But I was when mom was living in Arizona, we went to go visit for Thanksgiving. And
Samantha Sellars: remember, and
James: and so I get screeners for, you know, the Producers Guild. And it's an app where you log in. And I was like, just pick something like anything. I haven't seen anything that's on the app yet because they had just updated stuff. So they picked Saltburn. Which is just like unbelievably graphic.
BJ: The
James: new movie, Salt Burn.
BJ: Yeah, where that dude's got his dick out the whole time.
James: Yes, and he's like eating.
Samantha Sellars: He's licking
James: the bathtub. Yeah, licking the bathtub. There's a lot of really gross stuff. But that's what my mom and sister chose to put on. And I was just like, yeah, other sister. And I was just like, what is going on? Why are we watching this? Could you imagine the audio book of that?
BJ: Swinging. But Sam, so
James: you were raised by two creatives, dad being a writer and mom voice actress and music teacher and such. You have this passion for art with drawing and also these books. Have you ever thought about writing your own book?
Samantha Sellars: No.
James: Is there a reason why?
Samantha Sellars: Um, I, because something that mom said to me when I was, when I was a kid really stuck with me and she was like,
James: don't smoke camel lights.
Samantha Sellars: Yes. You know what? To this day, I'm like, maybe she just had something against camels. Maybe she was more into like Parliaments or Marlboros. Maybe she would have had a different opinion if it was a different brand.
James: But continue what you were saying. So mom, it stuck with you.
Samantha Sellars: She said. If you can see yourself doing anything else that's outside of the entertainment industry, do that.
BJ: Oh, OK.
Samantha Sellars: Because she said, you have to be able to handle all of the rejection that happens in the entertainment industry because you want it so very much and you can't see yourself doing anything else. She goes, if you can see yourself doing other things, do that because that means that you don't have the passion or grit to really pursue a career in the entertainment industry. And that really stuck with me because I love reading. I love art. I love creating. But I don't want my passion for it to ever be measured. I would argue,
James: though, that, you know, ultimately you are doing something else. So what's the harm in writing a book on the side because you enjoy it?
Samantha Sellars: I've thought about it, but as soon as I get into it, I just am kind of like, nah. I mean, you don't want
BJ: to force it. Did you guys' mom have passion for what she did?
Samantha Sellars: Yeah, so she was an actress, but then like, I think... Growing up in the entertainment industry, you see both sides. You see all the potential firsthand, but you also see what the rejection, constant rejection, constant having to grind the pavement, doing all this stuff, even just to be able to qualify for health insurance. You also see
James: that success doesn't make you rich. I mean, you know, my dad had won three Emmys and it's really interesting. People think that like we grew up wealthy. We did not.
Samantha Sellars: No.
James: We were, I mean, you know, animation writers at that time were barely making anything. And
BJ: I would think that same
James: thing. I
BJ: grew up on a farm. So for somebody who had like done so much.
James: By Los Angeles standard, by how expensive it is in L.A., we grew up fairly poor. Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: Well, yes and no, because you and I grew up in very different households because- Oh
James: yeah, because they were more successful before I was born.
Samantha Sellars: Yes.
James: Yes, you grew up, you had seven years of before me and then, you know, we lost the house, you know, when I was because of the writer's strike and all that stuff. No. Well, during that time, that's mom and dad getting divorced and such. Yes.
Samantha Sellars: Yes. So that's why the house was sold. Yeah, for sure. But it was very different. But they were struggling
James: financially before it was sold.
Samantha Sellars: So because mom was mom was still acting up until I was in like I was Logan's age up until I was in fourth grade. So growing up like both my dad had like. He was working. He had a production company. When I was little, and it was just me in the good old days, my dad, he originally came out here. She was like, it is
James: financially irresponsible for you guys to have had two more children. You should have kept it to just me. Yes.
Samantha Sellars: Things would have been so good. Oh my God. It would have been amazing just as an only child. Why do you think I gave that privilege to my child? But I had... Because my dad came out here to be with Hanna-Barbera.
BJ: Oh, wow.
Samantha Sellars: Because he did Scooby-Doo and the Snorks and the Smurfs. Oh, that's awesome. And my mom was doing voiceovers. She was in the Monchichis. She was in Gem and the Holograms. Tenchi Muyo. That she did in the
BJ: 90s. For me, I was just so surprised your mom was in Tailspin. I love Tailspin. You think that's a huge run and it's actually a really small run. Yeah. She was
Samantha Sellars: in All Real Monsters. She did My Little Pony. She was the singing voice of Strawberry Shortcake and all the albums. Which is insane.
James: But by the time I, you know, was older, like they were struggling financially. Yeah. And then they got divorced and, you know, obviously we're really struck. Mom was on a teacher salary and dad was unemployed.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah. So you you're the life that you grew up in was very different than the life that I grew up in. But I saw it fluctuate a lot more than you did.
James: I saw it crumble. Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: You saw it crumble and went, I want this. I was
James: like, oh, to be a starving artist, how beautiful I am in. Also, like, obviously, you know, because, yeah, when I was like three, he had, you know, Pinky and the Brain and Space Monkeys. And by the time I was five, all that was done and gone.
BJ: So had he went down to the to the downs after the divorce and then went back up?
Samantha Sellars: No, he
James: started doing plays and stuff after that. He did a couple episodes of different TV shows here and there, but that's why it's very interesting because a lot of people have always thought that I was a Nepo baby in the sense that I was given my career, and I was definitely not. I was not... I was not given interviews or meetings or anything through my family. I had to build it myself. The thing that I got was an education and storytelling for my dad, you know, and a willpower to just make it happen.
BJ: That's so why we never had that conversation at all. And knowing him.
Samantha Sellars: What was so funny is that like because my my dad wasn't as involved in like the for you in like your scholastic life because he was so ill at the time.
James: Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: But for me growing up, my dad would have arguments with my teachers because like he would give me like I would write my essays and. My dad also got very
James: sick. He needed a liver transplant. He was like bedridden for many, many years. And that's when his work stuff was really falling off.
Samantha Sellars: He would help me with like my essays and stuff. And I would bring it into my teachers. And if I got anything less than an A, he would call the teacher and berate them for not understanding creative writing. Because he was like, no, this sentence structure is much better. I don't know what you're grading it on, but he would literally go after it. But he also like, my dad, when I was, so I graduated in 2003. I'm not too
BJ: far after you.
Samantha Sellars: So it was very like, that was like when my senior year, like we had just like, I think it was around the time I think we were in Chicago. Iraq or somewhere over there. And my whole senior class and all the senior classes in L.A. County, they all staged a walkout to protest. I happened to just have a megaphone in my hand at the time. I was not saying anything. Someone passed it to me. But the truancy officers came and they like rounded up everyone and called our parents to let them know that we were... He was
James: proud of you because of... He sure was. Yeah, because...
Samantha Sellars: They called him because my mom was working. My dad was at home.
James: Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: They called my dad. They're like, your daughter... Was arrested by a truancy officer and has to have detention. He goes, for what? They said, for protesting the war. And he goes, well, she will receive no punishment at home from me.
James: Yeah, well, dad was a hippie, you know, and did all the walkouts during Vietnam and dodged that draft. What did your mom say on that?
Samantha Sellars: She had an opinion. But on the flip side, I did ditch school once and my mom walked me into school and they said, and she found out that I had ditched because I inevitably came clean. Actually, I didn't. One of the other kids that I ditched with. She inevitably
James: found a crushed camel light on the floor and knew that Samantha had ditched school. She was like, ah, here's the crushed camel light.
Samantha Sellars: But she walked me into the dean's office and said I didn't have an excuse for why I was absent because I had ditched school.
James: I don't know why you kept getting caught with that because mom would drop me off at school and I would take the bus. There would be like just a regular Metro bus. She would drop me off at school. I'd hop on the Metro bus immediately, like walk in the front of the school, walk out the back, hop on the Metro bus and go right back home because I knew she was going to work. And I would just hang out at the house and have friends come over the house and she would never know. And then I'd just beat her home because I was already there. And she'd be like, oh, when did you get in? I was like, just five minutes ago.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah, it's called the benefit of being the third child.
James: Yeah, she had given
BJ: up by that point. Random, because it's something on my brain that I think I saw at some point in time when me and you were talking years ago. Did your mom do anything with Sailor Moon?
James: No, she did Tenchi Muyo. Oh, okay. Tenchi Muyo. She was mihoshi on Tenchi Muyo. Oh, got it. Sam, what would you say to people that, like, think that I got some leg up from dad money-wise or interview-wise? Because it has come up quite frequently that people think that I was just literally handed my career.
Samantha Sellars: No, you weren't. You were so focused from the time you were... In high school, you were just like, I just want to be done with high school so I can get started on what I want to do. Like you were, you filmed most of your first film at mom's house.
James: Yeah.
Samantha Sellars: Like for no money, for no money. You got money from our grandparents.
James: No, Gammy and Grandpa sent me $200.
Samantha Sellars: I know. That
James: was it. Yeah, I had $200 from Gammy and Grandpa, and then I had money from Jarrett Cohen, who was a friend who put in like $7,000.
BJ: Same Jarrett Cohen as today? No, different Jarrett
James: Cohen. That's Jarrett Cohen. That's
BJ: Jarrett Cohen.
James: This is Jarrett Cohen.
BJ: Got it.
James: But yeah, no, I mean, it's... Believe me, if I had gotten a leg up from Dad, I would have been writing animation. I would have been writing animation. But yeah, so Sam... What do you think of this? Because this is a question that I was going to ask somebody today and I didn't get a chance to ask anything. What are you talking about Gerald? Gerald the Dolphin? No, we're not talking about Gerald the Dolphin. This is different. Now I
Samantha Sellars: want to know about Gerald the Dolphin.
James: Oh, I'll tell you about Gerald the Dolphin in a second. But what do you think about the report that was put out yesterday by the Bank of Europe that said they are bracing for the economic impact of the announcement of aliens? Oh.
Samantha Sellars: I would love for there to be aliens. I want to see their
James: movies. I want to see, I want to see, I bet you aliens have like, I want to see what won a gloopy.
Samantha Sellars: But here's the thing. That's what I assume an Oscar is
James: called, a gloopy. A gloopy.
Samantha Sellars: I always think it's fascinating that we just as a society assume that aliens are far more advanced than we are. What if they're not?
James: If we are the most advanced in the world, I mean, in the universe, there are problems because Gerald the dolphin seems like a more advanced thing.
Samantha Sellars: Okay, so what is Gerald the Dolphin? Tell about Gerald
BJ: the Dolphin. So Gerald the Dolphin is this dolphin that apparently pulled this... Correct me if I'm wrong because you're Gerald expert. I'm the Gerald expert now. James mentioned this on an earlier podcast that then we were like, maybe we should cut that out and then we come back around and then it fucking picks up steam and then we're like, can't cut that out.
James: It's too popular now to cut out.
BJ: But like, a dolphin pulls a guy down with a whole school of other dolphins, whether it's a real dolphin or not. Like... It pulls him down. To the bottom of the ocean. Puts an air bubble around him so that he can breathe and then makes him go in like a cave
James: or something. And start building condos. And
BJ: build housing for these dolphins. Own things. So there's that plus there's the... The Waffle House teleportation situation as well. I don't know if you know about it. I don't know about this Waffle House thing. What? I'm hitting
James: you with two different things. We're hitting you with three things. Just bam, bam, bam. But
BJ: yeah, there's a dolphin situation where the dolphin pulled the dude down. There's so many stories about this fuck goddamn Gerald the dolphin, which is just wild. Like he's... Maybe alien, maybe not.
James: But the weird thing about it is, like, essentially with these dolphins, like, the guy said that the dolphins were able to talk to him through clicking, told him to do this stuff. He came up, he reported all of this, and then everybody was like, oh, he's crazy, and it was just an April Fool, and it's nonsense or whatever, and it happened off the coast in Florida. But then, actually news, like, a week later after this thing happened... 50 dolphins washed up on the shore in Florida at the same beach this jokey thing had happened, which is crazy when you think about it because there's maybe like 10 or 11 dolphins in total wash up on the shore per year. And this was like 50 all at once on the same shore all at the same
BJ: time. Everybody didn't get condominiums. You know what I mean? The housing crisis for dolphins. That's a dolphin eviction for sure. And then there's a government guy right now that's like a... I forget how this works, James. With a... Senator, House Representative, whatever it is, he claims that somehow or another he teleported from point A to point B, point A being his house, point B being this random a ways away Waffle House. And you would think it would be funny, but he's like dead fucking serious. And this dude's like a whole thing. He's like, no, no, no. Teleportation is real. You just have to access it. And I'm like, OK, like, how's that working? So between that and Gerald the Dolphin, I was like, and then
James: the bank of, you know, the bank of Europe saying that they're bracing for this. Greg
BJ: Phillips. Yeah. Look, high level FEMA official is what they said. Yeah. So like, oh, a person that's like actually like got some street cred and you're like, that's some fucking crazy shit. Like you. I mean, I would get drunk and fucked up and then totally teleport to a Waffle House. But like, that's me. Like, not like a high
Samantha Sellars: record. I'm going to
James: tell you right now, I have. Gotten drunk and ended up at a Waffle House.
BJ: I'm going to get them cheesy onions and cheesy eggs for sure. I've
Samantha Sellars: never been to a Waffle House.
James: Have you ever been to a Denny's drunk?
BJ: Or a Norm's?
Samantha Sellars: Well, everyone's been to Norm's. Nobody goes there sober. It's
James: the same thing as a Waffle House. It's the same thing. Waffle House is like, you know, the Midwest's Norm's. They don't have teleportation. I don't know. Have you seen that movie that just came out with Sam Rockwell where everything is happening in his Norm's? What's the name of that movie?
BJ: The Norms movie. Yeah.
James: The Sam Rockwell movie. It's a good luck, have fun, don't die. And it all takes place in like it starts in a Norms and it just keeps in this time loop thing.
BJ: That's amazing.
James: Yeah. So maybe there's something to be said about diners.
Samantha Sellars: That's true. There's I think there's like an innate power that diners have. But I want to circle back to the whole Gerald the Dolphin thing.
James: Don't
BJ: we all?
Samantha Sellars: No, because I'm so... You
James: know it's illegal to be alone with dolphins.
Samantha Sellars: Yes.
James: Because they'll apparently rape you, but maybe it's because they'll drag you to the bottom. No, that's what they say, but it's...
Samantha Sellars: Well, it's illegal to touch a manatee.
James: Okay, because maybe they'll take you to build condos.
Samantha Sellars: Because manatees are too trusting of humans. So if you touch them, then they'll keep coming to humans and think that all humans are safe.
BJ: Oh, no. And they are. They seem really sweet. So
Samantha Sellars: literally, they can come touch you, but you literally have to go like this. You're not allowed to touch them. The
BJ: belugas, too. They look at you like they know you. Well,
Samantha Sellars: here's the scary part. So... Wait,
James: the beluga whale looks at you and goes, hey, what's up? No, they're
Samantha Sellars: very friendly.
James: But
Samantha Sellars: here's the thing is like I've asked this for like, I'll ask this to people all the time. What is, see if you can get it. What is the apex predator of the sea?
BJ: Oh, I mean, octopus, right?
James: No, no, no, no. It's definitely Gerald.
Samantha Sellars: No, what is it? The orca whale.
James: Oh, yeah, because it eats the most thing. Orcas. Oh, look at that.
Samantha Sellars: Because an apex predator means they have no natural predators. Shamu. So everyone assumes that it's going to be... This sounds
James: like a Logan quote. This is something Logan taught you.
Samantha Sellars: No, it's not. Her
James: son, my nephew, says stuff like this all the time. I taught him this. Like, he'll say stuff like that, or he'll say to me, like, he'll be like, oh,
BJ: brontosauruses don't exist. It's brachiosauruses. And
James: I'm like, what? Why does the brontosaurus no longer exist?
Samantha Sellars: Wait, wait. Say what he said to you the other.
James: Oh, yes. So we were at a restaurant and Samantha goes to the bathroom and Logan turns directly to me and he goes, he goes, do you ever just get an overwhelming urge to sing the national anthem? And I go, no. And he goes, I do more times than I'm willing to admit. And that's it. And I'm like, what? We are definitely
BJ: reincarnated.
James: I was like, what a strange thing to say. But just to touch back on this, do you find it weird and crazy that we have only explored about like 3% of the ocean?
Samantha Sellars: Yes. Well, there's also the Mariana Trench, which is measured. It is larger than Mount Everest.
BJ: That's crazy.
James: Oh, my God. Tell Jackie with Everest.
Samantha Sellars: Oh, my God. Okay. So we were at Disneyland. We were at Disneyland. And I don't remember how we got on this topic.
James: It was because she saw the Matterhorn and she said, oh, it's the Mount Everest. And I said, that's not Mount Everest. There'd be dead bodies on Mount Everest.
Samantha Sellars: Yes. And so my sister was like, why would there be Mount? Why would there be dead bodies on Mount Everest? Why wouldn't people take them down? Like she was like, that doesn't make any sense. I'm like, because the altitude is so I was like, they can't send like rescue parties up there if you die on Mount Everest. You can't
James: get that close with like a helicopter plane. And she
Samantha Sellars: was like, OK, but planes fly higher than that and people are still alive in them. Jackie, no. And so she's so obsessed with this. She's not understanding. So she pulls up her phone and watches the
James: documentary. It's horrifying. She
Samantha Sellars: looks up an article on dead. She just Googles dead bodies on Mount Everest. And we're at Disneyland and she's tapping our shoulders like, oh, my God, did you see this one? He's wearing green boots or something. He's just dead. Oh, my God. And then she went home that night and watched a documentary about the dead bodies on Mount Everest. And she was like
James: horrified by it and really upset. She's like, why can't they get them down?
Samantha Sellars: And we're just like, well, I guess everyone learned something today.
James: There are 200 bodies up on Mount Everest.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah.
James: Yeah. So there will not be a 201st named Jackie. She won't go up there.
Samantha Sellars: No I don't think she has that you have to go through like all this training and stuff like that to be able to go or at least you used to and then they changed it so they're just like you know what just it's fine people just come because they wanted they wanted the money tourism
BJ: so alien wise you you think that's that's real too I mean I do too
Samantha Sellars: I mean, I think that what we think of as aliens is not
BJ: aliens. You think it'd be more
James: like that movie Arrival, where it's kind of like this amorphous thing that can kind of see or...
Samantha Sellars: I think that we don't even know. I don't think there's any way... Do we have any concept of it? I think
James: they're already here and they came a very, very long time ago and it's part of our DNA. We were crossed with aliens. If you look at Egyptian times, they built giant... Pyramids and the way they shaped their crowns. You're welcome. And beings from the sky coming down, it just all felt like they were talking about aliens and didn't know how to talk about it.
BJ: I go back to Westworld, which I think did it so well, the first season of Westworld, where the black lady falls down and she doesn't all the way go under for the thing. And the guys in hazmat suits come out and she draws them. As being like, that's the gods, like whatever that person is. And I'm like, holy shit, you would do the same thing if you were that back then.
James: Yeah, I never even thought of it like that.
BJ: She draws them and she's like, that's something I can't see in Westworld. So whatever that is, is our god for sure. It's fucking nuts, man. I've definitely got some really cool videos of just like random orbs that like appear in the sky that are every color like plasma all at one time. Just random things. And I'm like, whatever you are, whether it's a being in that situation or like a portal or another universe stacked on top of ours, like it's something crazy. I
Samantha Sellars: think the universe is so huge and vast that I think that if we're the only living creatures that exist in the universe, I just think that like statistically that would be highly unlikely because there are multiple... I was watching a thing where there are multiple planets that exist in the Goldilocks zone in different universes. That means that like it is primed for like life to exist. At least our
BJ: form. But also, yeah, but
James: that's the thing is why would life have to live off of what we believe life has to live off of? Why couldn't it live off of something else that we don't
Samantha Sellars: believe? And it absolutely could. I think that's why I think it's like it's crazy to think that like because when we think it was like I don't think it's green men just like going. Why would they go?
BJ: I don't know,
Samantha Sellars: because that's their language. Let me ask
James: you one question before we wrap this up. This has flown by, but I have a question to ask you. Would you rather, of these two different things, would you rather... Aliens come to Earth and they give you an option. You could either stay on Earth and live your existence out on Earth, which you'll either get sick or whatever. Whatever would naturally happen with you in life. Or they would take you up... To their, you know, planet and put you in like a matrix where you would live for 300 years. You'd never get sick. You'd have amazing adventures. Whatever you wanted, your life would be luxurious and amazing for 300 years. But you'd have to sign a contract because they say to you, hey... You know, after 300 years, we're going to eat you. Like, you'll be painlessly killed and eaten because they love to eat the flesh of, like, a person who's lived, like, a wonderful life. Marinated. You know?
Samantha Sellars: Oh, definitely the second option. You'd
James: just choose that. You wouldn't even think about it. You'd just immediately go. I'm in that same moment. I'd stay on Earth.
Samantha Sellars: I'd stay on Earth.
James: I'd do 300. I'd do 300 years. After 300 years, I'd be like, you know what? 300 Matrix years. Yeah, I'd be like, you know what?
Samantha Sellars: Take it. It's lived its life. At this point in my
BJ: life, yeah. Younger, no. But now I'm like, give me 300 on that.
Samantha Sellars: That's why people are like, I want to take the Fountain of Youth Serum or not the Fountain of Youth, the Eternal Life Serum or something like that and live forever. I'm like, you know what? That also has to include some kind of age reversal because I don't want to be 85 forever. I would like to be, you know, like... Younger.
BJ: You've got to catch me at that in like 30s, 40s. Yeah. In 50s latest. Yeah. And then I'd
Samantha Sellars: be like, well, as someone who is now in my 40s, I can say like the 40s welcome you by saying like, hi, here is everything that you've ever done in your life catching up to you. Here's pain.
BJ: Oh, God, I can't turn 40.
James: I can't have my things catch up to me.
BJ: I have had a
James: lot of partying and wildness in my 20s. You don't
Samantha Sellars: have a It happens to everyone. You literally will wake up and it's like, lower back
James: issues.
Samantha Sellars: Here's a knee issue you didn't know you had.
James: I remember I was directing a movie in Puerto Rico, one of my Bruce Willis movies, and I was showing the DP and I squatted to frame. I was like, this is where I want the angle to be. And when I went to stand up, one of my knees did not unlock. It stayed like squatted and the other one straightened out and like it popped and my knee like swelled for an entire like week and I was like in a like a knee brace shooting this movie and I was like oh what the fuck was that? So unfortunately we're at the end of the podcast Sam. Where can people find you on socials?
Samantha Sellars: So my Instagram is... You have five
James: fucking Instagrams.
Samantha Sellars: For Love and Hair is my main one. Oh, that's
James: awesome.
Samantha Sellars: And then that's where I just like talk about life and like I go to spooky things and talk about those. Can you spell
BJ: that out for us?
Samantha Sellars: F-O-R-L-O-V-E-A-N-D-H-A-I-R. And then on TikTok and then also on Instagram, I'm Taryn Samantha Reads. Which is funny because people will literally call me Taryn. I'm like, nope, that's my middle name. I just switched them because I thought I'd be interesting. Just confusing people trying to be
James: interesting.
Samantha Sellars: Yeah. Yeah. But that's where that's where people can find me. And I like that we color coordinated today.
James: Yes. Unintentionally. Unintentionally.
BJ: Brother sister minds for sure.
James: Hive mind. It just felt like a black and white kind of day. Thank you so much
BJ: for coming on. Thank you for having me. This is fun.
James: We'll see you next week.