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A sailing podcast for racing sailors everywhere. Exclusive interviews with the sport's top names. Presented by British sailing journalist Justin Chisholm.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're listening to the Yacht Racing Live podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: The show for Racing Sailors Everywhere featuring exclusive stories and interviews from across the world of competitive sailing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hosted by British sailing journalist Justin Chishoff, available wherever you get your pockets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Yacht Racing Life podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's another sale GP podcast, the final one of the season after the Abu Dhabi Grand Final this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm joined as ever by British Selling Journalist Magnus Wheatley who comes to us from cows in the UK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus, were you glued to it this weekend?
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't fun to watch on Saturday, was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I was celebrating my 54th lap of the planet at the weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I kind of caught it all up on replay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually quite enjoyed Saturday just for the whole jeopardy of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just seeing the techniques and the way they're using their body weight in the boat and just looking for little differences.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was very clear off the start if you were gasped and out the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was going to be a long afternoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, there's four races in like five knots of wind and it was was pretty desperate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I reckon there was some frazzled sailors coming off the water on Saturday evening, but you know, I thought it was good and you know, Denmark did an absolutely awesome job, you know, two first or second and a third.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't really go wrong on that first day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, obviously, I think the story is this to lead, but well, I'm sure we'll dig into that in a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got some pretty scathing comments on social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a little delve into the rabbit hole on Saturday evening and everybody seemed to be complaining.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know the negative voice is always the loudest, but everybody seemed to be complaining about the fact that they'd gone to a venue like Abu Dhabi, which is not known for breezy conditions.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reality is, however, that we know that if they don't go to places like this, if they don't have the support of,
[SPEAKER_01]: and Modabala and those sort of companies, then the whole thing just doesn't happen at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there has to be a bit of quit pro quo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think a key point is that those books were racing in five to seven knots on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that we were had racing at all is just a remarkable feat and a testament to sale GPs, technological advancements.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've done a bloody good job, I think, of getting these boats.
[SPEAKER_01]: racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go back to season one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't have even started racing in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and they drove them up and they even had this, this is the 27.5 meter rig.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not even the biggest rig that they've got.
[SPEAKER_02]: The foils are superb and yeah, they've taken this whole another level and just digging back into what you were saying about, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: the Middle East being so important to the overall finances.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've done quite a few pieces recently looking at valuations of teams and it is crucial that they go to the places where there is money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So money is going to win every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Russell's now thinking out of the box and when we were in Portsmouth I was chasing to him and he was telling me about the the motors that they're going to put on that you use rather like the DRS in Formula 1.
[SPEAKER_02]: you use it, maybe three, four, five, however many times they decide in a race and you tactically use it to get either back up on the foils or from a spider.
[SPEAKER_02]: That could be very, very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it, I was lying in bed this morning thinking about that going gosh that would be quite weird actually because it's not really sailing.
[SPEAKER_02]: the league is pushing forward and they offered they had a $100,000 prize pot for the fleet racing and then two million obviously for the grand final.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is big money and you stick that onto a balance sheet and it really makes a big difference to your valuation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably going to also how you could go into the transfer market.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's it's a pretty pretty stunning amount of money that you can you can win and really boost your finances and have to not rely so much on your private equity backers or your major sponsors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a necessary evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had a friend who was in the stand in Abu Dhabi was sending me text messages all weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said the stands were 50% full.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was quite a dead atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the TV doesn't show that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's quite rightly if I was, if I was the organizer, I wouldn't show that either.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as we saw when we went to Jeddah with the Americas Cup, the Middle Eastern,
[SPEAKER_02]: people don't come out until later in the evening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we put on in America's cup and jettit, we put on a whole theme park and everything and it was absolutely rammed at 8 o'clock at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when the racing was on in the afternoon, there was nobody there at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's culturally, the Middle East needs, you know, it's a young population.
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs to be young populous as it were, needs to come along with all these sports.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've probably got
[SPEAKER_02]: being bought into the cut-in into these countries and sailing is just another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't blame Russell for going there, and I think this has got to be a self-staining league.
[SPEAKER_02]: It probably isn't at the moment, despite what he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: The valuations are creeping up all the time, which is great, but we need a successful sale GP, and he's doing the right things, putting the events in the middle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as we've seen over the years, any attempts to make sailing a commercially viable proposition of fail that this is the closest we're ever going to get to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he has to do what he has to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the motors on the foils is going to be a mass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait till they do that because that's going to be a massive outcry on social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I can can't see the points.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they make a big thing that this is not sailing as we know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is CLGP.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something different.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I applaud them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've said it before on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I applaud them for trying these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it, you know, Russell is open to any, any and all ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's throw the mud at the wall and let's see what actually works and see what sticks and there's never really been a leader in our sport like that who's really willing to push every boundary.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it may not be very well thought out, and there's certainly been some missteps for that ridiculous DJ Khaled this year and misogynistic followers and you know, whatever it's been lots of missteps, but they will they learn very quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's there's enough good people in sell GP to learn quickly, and I think the overall product is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing I thought that the commentators were they were two decibels lower.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think someone said something to Stevie and to Todd and said, look, guys, just calm it down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stevie can get very excited, but I actually thought his analysis was better.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he slows down a little bit, his analysis is very good around the race course.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are dominant, I think, is great and she gives a good foil.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that kind of Peter Lester on the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you seeing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She does it very, very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So overall,
[SPEAKER_02]: commentary didn't break me as it has done in the past, but maybe that's because it's light and there's not so much action to be shouting about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just thought they had a more measured tone and it was a better product at the end of it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I noticed that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although they did rev it up for the grand final as the boats came off the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was back up to screaming time again, but you know, I guess that's the brief
[SPEAKER_01]: that final race probably saved the event from a sailing point of view.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a cracker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's come on to that in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: The racing on Saturday, although it was like when, as you say, there was lots to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a third amount to talk about, let's just click through this to Danes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't slow that boat down on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was they could wriggle through, they could just get out of trouble, they seemed to get on the right side of shifts.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've all had those days on the water where everything just clicks and goes well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three, one, one, two is a brilliant scoreline in this level in this league.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, we saw the opening race, we saw Germany win and they just wriggled through and they looked brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: They then went from bubbly to bust.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were 12th in the next race and never really recovered
[SPEAKER_02]: that never really recovered back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Canada sailed north for a lot better.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got a second in the first race.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sixth and then it got a 12th, you know, Giles has got to cut this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Into the with Giles on on the wrap-up show where he was saying, yeah, you know, we had six weeks off between regasses and we've had a plenty of time to actually look into the
[SPEAKER_02]: look into the data, look into the problems that we've had, agree ways forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: So some they have that dreadful midseason and that's not Jarls and he was looking so good at beginning of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, he was very nearly one Sydney, one wind shift was against him and he didn't win it but he was very close and
[SPEAKER_02]: then it just sort of fell off a cliff midseason and that they recognize it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something it's gone on there and I think Canada will come back next year and you know, with their tail up they're very well funded and well sorted team.
[SPEAKER_02]: France, lovely to see them when the final fleet race of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a
[SPEAKER_02]: Frank a far lapsuit, love the French, and I think Contan de la Pierre is a superb ambassador for the sport.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've just got to get out of their own way.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just go from bubbly to bust the whole time, but they made the podium this time, which is great, and then we come on to Phil Robertson.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wrote today that it's like, you know, when you're watching like literally an L Messi or you're watching Ronaldo or Garth Bayel or something, some great football and you're actually watching the screen to see where they are, see what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's always doing something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always hitting the left boundary when everyone's gone right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's unafraid to to back himself and in close situations, he's really good, really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they snuck it onto you and there was a gushing press release.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got from Red Bull saying how, you know, this is the spring ball to the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great for Jimmy, you know, it's always the way it's, it's there, someone's like the new manager's bounces and they've been in football, you put somebody in and you really hope they're going to do well and there were suddenly everything's coming together, the communications were better, the tax was sharper, you know, you've got Andrea to say who was the lunar roster tremor and and flight controller, you know, you should, you know, Italy should be way better than they have been.
[SPEAKER_02]: For whatever reason it didn't work with Rugee, I don't think he'll be back to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see a case from Marco Grodoni coming on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting that Harry Melgis is now signed for the USA team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to see that rivalry continuum continue on into the cup.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's great to see it to leave back up there and they end their season on a high, which they really needed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: of that play to fill.
[SPEAKER_01]: I come in into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could have been a disaster, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have could have finished that at the back of the fleet very easily.
[SPEAKER_01]: And laughed it off and said, well, yeah, there's a lot of work to do with this team.
[SPEAKER_01]: But somehow he comes in and just gets them all fired up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they look like a team that could have won the events, but with a few days more practice, you know, it reminded me of the old days with Canada when he took over that,
[SPEAKER_01]: team in the early days then, you know, they were just unstoppable for a few matches, but we've both described him as mcureal, and I think that's the right word for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not easy though, all the time as he, I think he can be quite difficult to be a team member with at times as well, and I think he probably wouldn't mind me saying that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think certainly the Spanish fell out within while he was we was part of that, all of that needs to be managed, but
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy I think who's been underrated outside of CELGP.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was part of a lingo last time with the Americas Cup.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you see any chance of a role for him in the Americas Cup this time around?
[SPEAKER_02]: I really can't to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's very interesting that someone a team that has such deep analysis as team New Zealand doesn't touch them with a barge pole.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a very that's a very telling sign in my opinion and I've you know, I've been a little bit unkind to him saying, you know, it fills the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the question again, it's a throw away mark, but yeah, I think I think he does he's a very direct individual.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can see him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember going alongside as a long side boat zero.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he was on, you know, boat one, sorry, and he was on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody in his chipping, he's having a laugh with everybody in a very serious environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you think, well, gosh, he's not really reading the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder whether he reads the room properly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what he is, is when he's good, he's red hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then when results start to go against, he struggles to bounce back and so if you've put this over a long season, I don't think Phil Robertson is the answer for Italy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think having an Italian driver is the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's only one candidate and.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you're taking a chance and whether you can get him out of Luna Rosso, this is Marko Goudoni, whether you can get him out of Luna Rosso, but you know, could I see Phil in an AC team?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think there's any seats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's any way for him to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So no, and I think if he misses this one, that's probably him done in terms of reaction times and everybody will want younger drivers and younger people for the AC-39.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I can't see him coming back, but who knows, he could be,
[SPEAKER_02]: could be in a coaching role somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly got the talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the interesting thing about him going to Italy is that he's employed and he's working for Jimmy Spittill.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the press conference, he said something like, you know, when you phone rings next to Jimmy Spittill, he pick it up, you'd be mad not to.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's obviously a lot of respects from him for Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder whether Jimmy in that sure side role now, that mentoring role, can have an impact on him and just smooth out some of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those rough edges on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a really big question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I basically, not firing, but you know, benching, rudy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it took the pressure off Jimmy, because if you delve into who their private equity backers are, it's a female team, you've obviously got Red Bull, Red Bull don't like losing, I'm not sure, Red Bull really like sailing to be honest, but that's another thing, and I certainly from their press releases, I don't really understand it, but I think it was to take the pressure off Jimmy, I'm not sure how comfortable he is sitting in that managerial role.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he's quite abrasive.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's, you know, behind closed doors, you know, hard, hard task master, sort of in the Larry Ellisson, Grant Dalton kind of mold, but not with their clout.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's in a difficult moment, I think, and so brings in his mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's, it's a little bit of a gamble, but it's might be a little bit of face saving being polite from Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if he can, if he can smooth out the rough edges, talk him off the ledge when things are not going right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just can't philosophically see that having a Kiwi in an Italian team is the right thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just knowing the Italians as I do and I just not sure long-term it's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll do a season in the bit and that'll be gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's certainly been that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to bring, bring teams on the Canadians to Spanish other teams over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, good to have him back in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was, he was a bit missed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a character after all.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a big catch, but that's a very good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's come on with experience and got no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, bring it on here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can hear him talking all the way through.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that's what Italy was missing and really was very quiet and and then was doing Hail Mary stuff almost in a vacuum wasn't clicking with the the frascari and the other girl who's the other strategist and it just it just wasn't working and where's Phil comes in he's have a lot more positive he's a lot more logical and yeah we'll see how it goes
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the gram final itself, and we're getting closer to talking about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the four teams that could make it to the gram final, the breads, the Kiwis, the Australians, then the outsiders were Spain.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bit of me that would have loved to Spanish just to...
[SPEAKER_01]: to think the Australians out of it and get a chance at a repeat of the final.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sling's been pretty much just sailed them off the racetrack for most of saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was an obvious strategy from Sling's been.
[SPEAKER_01]: We shouldn't be surprised to see it, but I'm not sure it added a lot to
[SPEAKER_01]: the whole event and the whole atmosphere of the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the end, he still left himself wide open on the Sunday, didn't he?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the first race, you know, slingers is in 10th and Spain are in 12th.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you go, okay, this is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then though, both of them had two OCSs, they're marking each other, you know, off the course.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I don't know, it's
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a great spectacle, but you know, you understand why Slinger's did it because, you know, he wants that position.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants that shot at the 2 million and then because it means such a lot on the bottom line revenue.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not money in their pockets is his valuation of the team and, you know, he wants is a good return to go back to Ryan Reynolds and who's the other guy and to, you know, to bonds and say, look, look what I've done.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he got to the final and there'll be prize money there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it didn't really add to a spectacle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spain kind of showed their form in the last race, got a third, but that's how it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was now greater than it was too difficult, almost impossible for them to get over Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually now at the end of the day, Britain, New Zealand, and Australia in the final, that's as good as it gets.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was just on the Spanish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the last episode of the life on the edge living on the edge, whatever you're the dealer so do you be docutes series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's getting good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually getting good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I've been critical of it, but I think they're starting to click into it and they made a couple of interesting points one being about slingsby.
[SPEAKER_01]: himself, you know, he's, he's now a father.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another child on the way, according to the documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of footage of him being a dad playing with his kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it is wife and and child come to the events now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I see, I saw it in Kiddil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it kind of firsthand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder, this new kind of softer Tom Slingspir does that take some of the edge, some of that killer instinct away from him when he's on the boat because this has not been a sparkling season for him having said that he's still made the final.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's all over the shop, he's the ultimate rollercoaster, he always was to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I certainly know how children change your life and how suddenly your focus isn't a hundred percent on what you were doing or the job that you were doing or so there are just other factors and yeah I see I would have a different if I was taught I'd have a different approach saying look I'm at work here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I need to focus.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you stay home with the children and I will I would do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not very that's a very misogynist thing to say almost these days.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm not sure bringing the wise and wise and children's basically into work every day is a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that there was always a great formula one story of I think it was Schumacher going up behind a long so and he said I knew he would break because he's got two children at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: and I will go through on the inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does dull your answers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think, yeah, Australia is, you know, they'll probably be looking for another Tom Slingsby, but they're very difficult to find.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did have Nathan Outrage, but yeah, and you look at people like Luke Park and Surnin and Ian Jensen, all Aussies, and yeah, they're in different teams, and they're not with Tom, and
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, a Tom just looks all over the shop and I was surprised when he came out in the final and did what he did, straight off the start line, brilliant start, typical Tom Sling's B and then went out to the right hand side up that first beat and fell off the foils and that's it, a game over, isn't this...
[SPEAKER_02]: They were still back in it and then made the wrong call at the top mark and and that was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was the race So yeah, it's it is a different it's a different dynamic as The sailors are getting older.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't you know, I keep reminding them they haven't got much long in the spotlight New kids are gonna come through new people come through and your your tomorrow's you know You don't go on forever in this sport and food
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that was picked out in the documentary was the Spanish team in today's who had a bit of a meltdown performance wise and it featured very heavily their mental coach who said there's basically a disagreement in the team about how we should be doing things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's one, you didn't, you didn't go into specifics about who was saying what, but he said there's one side that is the, is the driver behind we should do it this way and then there's a whole other bunch that say, no, we don't want to do it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, I thought was really, really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, to hear that because because you can imagine, I mean, just sailing a J-24 and Mel just 24 or even a flying 15, if you're not getting on with a person around the people around you, it's pretty difficult to perform well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you must have to be so in tune when you're sailing in a 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting that they said, by the end of Cadiz, we had it sorted and were like, we're all back on track now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought they look like a better team when they arrived in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is what Charles Scott was alluding to with Canada is there were differences of opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there will be differences of opinion of how you sell the boats, I reckon the USA team must have gone through.
[SPEAKER_02]: just a ton of conversations of saying, you know, that there'll be a camp there saying Taylor's not good enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but I brought Harry and haven't used him yet, but you know, or Mike's not good enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, let's get rookie in.
[SPEAKER_02]: That so.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about running a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you look at the British team, you look at Hannah, you look at Dylan, you look at Gabe's Parko, and you look at the subsidiary, you look at Neil Hunter, people like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are really solid individuals.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're really good people.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they looked totally cohesive and totally on the same page, even when they're behind, because it's all very well doing this when you're in the lead and you're winning stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's when you're third in the final race and you just got to get, there was hardly any comms on board when that split came.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all knew what Dylan was going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just brought it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're splitting away.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're rolling the dice and and they're all on the same page of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the way we've seen improvements, people like the Danes, I think them, they're very cohesive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it with a Swiss as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Schneider was very impressive in interview after Saturdays racing and yes, they're building and there's this whole thing of building and consistency and doing things the right way all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes time to build this as, you know, most I think most sailing teams I've ever been in, it's two or three years to get to a level where
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the spinnaker's going up at the right time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know as we go around the top mark, the jibs eased, and everything's just happening without actually having to say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably two to three years, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no secret to why there is a pecking order but what was interesting and then the racing this weekend is how fast people like Germany, people like Switzerland, people like Denmark are learning and they're almost not superstarsalers and they are becoming the new superstarser of the pinnacle, one of the pinnacle events in our sailing calendar.
[SPEAKER_01]: did you think that the that cohesiveness that you talk about with the Brits reminded me so much of the Aussies when they were dominant in the early part of this season and as each season went by, you know, they would win again and then they would say, well, you know, we've had this team together for now for three years and I think when Carl Langford left,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it had a big impact and I don't think any of us really appreciated just what a difference that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that Chris Draper is not a good wind tremor and I hear the comes from him on board.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's very calm, he calls him buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a little bit of breeze here, buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lead on it, buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was a big one because he was stolen under his nose by Jimmy and slingsby was upset about that and he he emoted it as well in one of the walk around and think of the press conference as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said it again at the press conference here saying, you know, hopefully we're not going to be the ones they're going to be poached this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: But obviously there's there's the
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jal Scott said the same thing saying, oh, we now go into the transfer season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got to be careful here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's going to be movement.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really interesting to see who's on the line next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to close the podcast off to talk about that at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So so listen, let's get on to the grand final itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a, I thought it was a cracker.
[SPEAKER_01]: My only.
[SPEAKER_01]: thing was that just could have gone on longer, you know, that you could have done 12 laps of that and it's still would have been thrilling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it wouldn't have been the same result but who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: As you said, I think the right team won in the end, they were the best team over the season by pretty much every stats.
[SPEAKER_01]: that we can measure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the start was pretty even between the keyweas and the Aussies, the Aussies led at the first mark and I thought, oh, this is, you know, this is classic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sling's be the struggle these way into the final.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's gonna stroll away.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never horizon job now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't, as you say, rounded the first fluid gate tacked back towards the other two on the left-hand side and fluffed the tack and that just led him right back in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the top mark, there was virtually nothing to choose between the three of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where we saw the Brits break away to the right-hand mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's talk about that move.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and headed down that right-hand side of the track, they got a massive lefty, just gave them to 200, 300 yards, jump on the other two and after that it was over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who saw that was that Hannah was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was very quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very quiet comes on board and I think what's because the Kiwis led round the top that top mark followed in by by the Aussies and I would say they both made a logical error because that as you looked up the course, the left hand side seems to pay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where Pete overtook the Aussies and but
[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan had gone out quite far right and was doing 50 kilometers an hour when everyone else was doing 30 something.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you'd logically think that that wind would then move across the course.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think when you're leading in a race like that,
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete's got to make the call to go around that top mark and go, okay, where are we in phase with actual boats, boats speed when they taxed, they went down into an H1 configuration, so one hull in, struggling to get back up on the foils, just by dint of that dark, Dylan was able to get up on the foils and stay there and then get the bear away and then I did know some days
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was well deserved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there was a major strategy call.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the call was we have to do something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are third.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to split and I don't think it didn't sound like there was much comes on board the boats.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just knew, everybody knew what we've got to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we've got to go, we've got to just do something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if we follow them round, we've got to do another tack and we're dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the race over.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only option they had there was to bear away around that top mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: it was beautifully executed there wasn't a beautiful airway as a southern bear away I thought oh my god are they going to lay this mark and it was just so sweetly done they accelerated as you say
[SPEAKER_01]: and then slingshot around the mark and they were off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where they made a big chunk of that game was probably in the first 200 meters.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were at high-posed speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shift certainly did seem to work because they were points straight down the top.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and everybody else was pointing back towards the shoreline and they've jied and they're just heading straight down to the mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a shift from the gods and sometimes that happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be very circumspect if everyone said anything different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, we saw that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it all just conspired your names on the trophy and very worthy winners.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the way when they came around the Lured Gate, they were thinking, okay, just one and in.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all we want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, and then they taxed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought they would they tax at least,
[SPEAKER_02]: 50 yards too soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tat and Hannah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it comes the right sea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that'll go left.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then another right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not climbing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she's really calling me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I thought she was stunning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a, it was a, it was a consummate performance that there was no panic when they went when they got behind, you know, because I was panic in I was like, oh my God, all that there's done so well this season now we're going to end up third in the final and nobody will even remember them, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, just, just amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then,
[SPEAKER_01]: when the bow was turned down around the final turn, they started cheering, you know, you just think, God, to be part of a team like that must just be the best feeling in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd love to see the only three of them on board.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there were four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Parco was on board as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Four on board for the final.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pity was only four and the grinders weren't on with them as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I liked it as they came into the final mark and Goons just went yep nice angle there make nice angle and it's just their their clipped tones it's supportive it's encouraging and then I genuinely think Dylan is one of the most underrated gold medalists in the world I mean he really is he's a very very nice guy and
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, he will, he'll give anybody that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think how they handled themselves in victory is a really big mark of that team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Ben was Ben Ainsley was very understated and just said, yeah, it's huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: We won the impact league and we won won the overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Dylan was talking about what he left out on the race course.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: Heaven's sake, you won in Australia, you won in Cadiz, you won in France, and you've just got on one in Abu Dhabi, and you came second in Portsmouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've had a brilliant brilliant season.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, but I think we think we could have done better than it was more out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the mark of a winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: That really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a terrific guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Aussie influence in that team is don't underestimate that, and whether they'll stay for next season, because I think
[SPEAKER_02]: gobs and parko and you know with Hannah we'll Hannah be with the team next year that's a really big question
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, there's all sorts of rumors flying around about women's teams and her leading us and money coming from the Middle East and all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So well, let's watch this space.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's there's some flux.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to happen in the transfer market.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could just be a beautiful high water moment for British sailing and then suddenly the team gets disbanded or you know, starts to be rebuilt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they really were top of the game, literally top of the league and they didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: get to the level of the Aussies and the Kiwis, they went one beyond them, and I think they're just exceptional, exceptional team spirit that won it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You make a good point there that the team could be poached, could dissolve, could just break down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you use the analogy of British football clubs, it's about more than the players, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the management.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about being able to hang on to players when the big money offers come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about building for the future and when you do lose your star player, when you lose your air at Cantonar, you've got somebody
[SPEAKER_01]: in there to to backfill it's the new celebrity and I think that's something we're going to see in sales GP if they strive to be this franchise operation then it's the value is going to be in in not being a one-hit wonder in being able to to plan for the future what do they call it in business contingency planning very hard it's going to be very difficult because it's turning into a
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, transfer fees and that sort of stuff for teams when the poaching happens, but yeah, it's going to be it's going to be interesting to see I would I would be surprised to see Parko and Goob's leave that team given the impacts of the America's cup stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got going on with with a thinner as well and same goes for Hannah really, but we did see Jiles move from yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: from a cell G-P team, British cell G-P team to Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a word on Dylan, I interviewed Dylan for the Yacht Racing Life website earlier in the year, and there was a few things I didn't know, but, you know, he's gone full circle on this now, having had the...
[SPEAKER_01]: the driving seat for the British team originally went sell GP was had its inception.
[SPEAKER_01]: He lost it when band came in and it really, he told me it really broke him, you know, he was just devastated but he said, well, I can either crawl away into a hole and die or I can try and find a way back in and he said, I had to look at what the other sell GP homes were doing and he said, I thought,
[SPEAKER_01]: and I went and Olympic medal, then that's got to position me better for SLGP.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he went and won the Mothwells in Argentina and followed it up a few years later with a goal, beating Pete and Blair and the Wistubethal and suddenly he then passed as Ben to give him a place in the Americas Cup team which leads to amend it up in the Americas Cup team and being given the SLGP,
[SPEAKER_01]: role, and now he's won all the chocolates.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fabulous story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could, you know, so it's just worth noting the significance of all that for him and just super well deserved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was at an old-bray yacht club yesterday and there was a big Sunday lunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: They only do them twice a month and think it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's people have been out in their lock-lovened one designs and everybody had congregated in the bar before we went in for lunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all you
[SPEAKER_02]: DVR and it was there was a continual theme in the bar and you can see them doing the karate yachting and it's very funny how people now now do karate yachting with flat hands rather than raised hands and and that because then now showing you how they foiled out when you're just bit's phelerian at a point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think Dylan, Dylan took over the hottest of hot seats, you know, you take over from Ben.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a tricky one to get right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got it right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's done something Ben Ainsley hasn't done, which is win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it all credits him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't happen to a nice guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did love the, the little bit of social media video they put out when they were the team needed to do a photo shoot with Emirates.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the constant wanted to keep the sailors kind of away from it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they brought Ben back in with a few other people to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Put a nice little video I've been saying, well, yeah, the boys are done a great job to get at this far, but it's time for me to step in now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: apparently there was a bit of a backlash of people who thought it was true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see the one this morning, the social media on this morning, with Dylan waking up in bed with the trophy's Poseidon?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's all very likely a true story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, deserved when it kind of rounded out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And while I think it's been a decent season, I had a look at at the kind of some of the stats of it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eight themes of one events, eight out of the 12 teams of one
[SPEAKER_01]: The USA, the Swiss and the Italians also got onto the podium during the season, which leaves only Brazil that didn't make it to a podium position over the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting to see now with the transfer window what some of these teams that aren't good enough to win events.
[SPEAKER_01]: how they make the jump now into that upper league.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really hope we see some fresh talent come in as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're going to see poaching between all of the teams, but that's kind of a bit of a self-defeating system.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be great for teams to invest a bit of money in new people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know it can be done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's difficult because there's not a lot of time in the boats away from the racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at what the keyweaves have done with Leo, their flight controller, they tuck him from being, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty rough and ready at the beginning of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were questioning whether this was really going to work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's pretty much flawless now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing an A1 job in a top team that's winning events.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can bring this talent in and I'd really hope to see that with some of the teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you've got you have got a lot of talent rising up through the look and look at the moth worlds.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got guys like Jake pie.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got your your's a my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Enzo balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have some very good girls coming through that and that league and Victoria shows this has he Rogers people like that they are coming through.
[SPEAKER_02]: there's plenty of talent to choose from.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's Harry Melgis coming into the USA team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, big signing on the Friday and we all saw the pictures and wrote roads up saying it's fantastic and it is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know from behind the scenes that there's been some fairly heavy hitting council talking to Mike Buckley saying you must sign Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously those are the release from an American magic, a contract with what happened and so suddenly he was available.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know tax can't see he's got a job next year okay there's going to be a hand over period but it's got to be hairy because you got Mike Meninger Andrew Campbell on board and that's there's your three key people there I'm sure he'll bring his own strategist on board and suddenly you've you know you've got a really good American team it the league needs a good American team
[SPEAKER_02]: When I look at people like the Swiss, what are they going to do to get up there?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they've sort of bang their head against the brick wall with very good lake sailors, but, you know, yes, they're capable of getting a win, but then how do you stop the roller coaster?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you go and get an Andy Maloney or you go and get a, you know, a Blair Tuk or somebody like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it does suddenly change it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw it with Italy with Phil Roberts and coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Suddenly there's a team that's
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, jelly and working.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does Brazil do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no Andy Maloney this weekend and Pietro Cebello, who was the former a linky coach, also the coach of Brazil as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Has come in and he was doing wing trim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like really has there no one else.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, bring the coach on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's quite a funny one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's it's it's hard to get out of the midfield and it is hard to get into that top three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what we saw with Brits is how you do it is is relentless hard work.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at how the bricks have spent so much time I reckon in simulators, they've probably got the old in your simulator.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're coming out, they're exiting out of jobs faster than anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going into tax so much quicker than anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more positive, it's more dynamic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more controlled, the exit of the tax is so accurate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's all, this is marginal gain stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're doing it better than the Australians and the Kiwis put together.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, the Kiwis I thought had a, well, pretty much a dreadful regatta.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete obviously nearly lost his finger at right at the beginning of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we were talking before of how difficult that must be with the mechatronics, and because that is your trigger finger.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the one that controls everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know Pete, yeah, he's good, but he doesn't, doesn't kind of get it for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they brilliant front runners, when they get in with me, they're very good front runners, and they can execute and they can snuff out or race very quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, there's just something not quite right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And whether it's Leo, I don't know, but it's not the New Zealanders haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't expect them to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's it's going to be an interesting off season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, and it would be very, very interesting to see who is on on these boats next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully they share this information whether this as it comes and we're not, we'd have to wait until January for to see who's sailing the boats.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be good if we get this stuff kind of fed out to us and we can just go some ponder over it in future podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a good season ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great that it's just December and then straight back into it in January.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a look at the calendar.
[SPEAKER_01]: kicks off in Perth in Australia, I think they've been there before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been there, but that's the classic America's Cup venue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the 87 in the Cup venue.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we're going to see big action there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a triple head, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they go there, then they go to Auckland and then Sydney.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: Where are they?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they had off to Rio.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, great, great time to be to be down under in those early part of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three cracking events, cracking events, absolutely brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Perth will come alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got some friends down there who say the sailing scene is still just as massive as it was back in 87, if not bigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're going to be people lining the
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that will be again sensational and then up to Sydney and that's always a good good regatta.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, three brilliant ones to start off the new season, but next season, I think you're going to start to see the Americas Cup influence.
[SPEAKER_02]: So depending on how many of these key drivers are involved in the Americas Cup, you start to see the power of the team bosses, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll see there's a lot of opportunity in
[SPEAKER_02]: the opportunities are increasing all the time and so people who are going to be doing the youth America's cup, the women's America's cup and with an eye on doing cell GP as well it's it's you know that's quite a big ask and we're already seeing people like Joe Alay you know with the team is in team you know she's always she's got the spot if you're a Macay wants to do cell GP okay you go and do cell GP then
[SPEAKER_02]: doing both and the next two years is going to be a tough ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we're going to see changes in the league.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's positive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully the opportunities come like you say for the younger people to come through and you know, start to see the next generation coming through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't remember who told me that there would be penalties for people who would
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know I can't do that event because I'm going off to doing America's cup event.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll dream that or maybe somebody did tell me, but I can't bucket up with any, any fat that we should.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should have a look into that and see if that's true because that would make a huge difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in a way, these sailors are going to have to choose aren't they at some point?
[SPEAKER_01]: what they want to do, you know, maybe ruggies already decided that the American's cup is the, is the place for him to commit to and maybe some people will commit to to sell GP.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nathan Outer is, I'm not sure what he's going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I interviewed Ian Percy on the podcast quite recently, I said, how's all that going to work out?
[SPEAKER_01]: With Sergei P. In America's company said, well, well, we're just going to have to wait and see what's over at Stan New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and he kind of left it off, but like, that's a pretty big deal, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: The league is relentless and it's every few weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, this is quite a long break between the last one and this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was six weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a long time in America's company.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's going to be very difficult and I think this is going to play to the bigger teams having better squads, it'll probably play to the likes of Germany and Switzerland and the people who can keep their teams together, big decision.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we always think that sale GP is going to be there, how many shots do you get at the Americas Cup?
[SPEAKER_02]: probably maybe two, three, if you're very, very lucky and you're right at the top of the top of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you might make the decision say, look, I'd rather just do sell GP because I can still earn very good money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kids go to private school and I'm very happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the America's Cup is a tenuous one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or it could be the other way around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be no, I want to go in the America's Cup.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when I, when I, my Debarri boots up, I want to be
[SPEAKER_02]: Me as an America's cut fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what I would want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd want to do the America's cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that is the pinnacle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you stand in a Yacht Club bar in 30 years time and say, yeah, I competed in an America's cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a hell of a thing to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you were in season six of a sale GP who won that, you know, I struggled to remember who won.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're very good and you can name three or three Australians as a Spanish and the Brits now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I couldn't tell you who came second in any of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never clearly know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you, I think one of the factors is going to be or not maybe one of the factors, but it struck me the other day that if you're doing the America's
[SPEAKER_01]: you don't do a lot of racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, you do a lot of, say, well, 45 days next year and if you've got an AC-75 on the water and 30 days, if you've got an AC-40 or something like that, whereas in Selju P, you're racing every month.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's got to make a difference
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these are sailors at the end of the day who would love to sail.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the sport they've chosen and you have to sail.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to get better.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to keep sailing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I think also you're tight, but your time at this very pinnacle is short and we saw it in Portsmouth, sitting there and there were the likes of Dean Barker and Moose and people like that who are two maybe two generations on from the current crop of cell G. P. So, but that's your future.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's you're going to be Helming Maxi Boats and you know big machinery doing fast net races, doing transit land takes, maybe get on to you know you can see Pete Burlings
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the next stage on from this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you stay in this for as long as you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm absolutely convinced that you'd want to do, you'd want to have done season five.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now they're America's cup is starting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd want to be in a team there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I think the learning,
[SPEAKER_02]: that you'd get from the teaching that you'd get from doing an America's Cupcampaign must be absolutely sonic in terms of data understanding, falling in, you've got the best experts in the world, which you're saying, one design votes that are provided.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you want to advance, and you want to be seen as the pinnacle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, some way these two events leagues whatever have got to live symbiotically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's got to be kind of in the green and almost between them, but, you know, we know the people involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's a topic for a probably a podcast on its own with a few guests.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you really, really, whether that can be sorted out, but hopefully it can for sure because you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're very lucky that we've got these two major events that are going to be running on regular cycles in our sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope that, you know, they don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't fight with each other so much that it screws both of them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Magnus, thanks for this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining me on all the episodes we've done this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a great year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've enjoyed it immensely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you have too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope everybody's enjoyed listening to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't really discussed it, but I guess we'll do it again next season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll discuss that over the podcast Christmas meal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, listen, thanks for everything and for this episode at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say,
[SPEAKER_01]: Cheers to everybody, and we'll see you in the new year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Tracy.