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This is one of my favorite interviews so far. Imagine winning multiple national championships for the most beautiful college campus in America. At a place where tens of thousands of people are tailgating in the middle of campus during an SEC football weekend late into Saturday night. And as dawn breaks on a peaceful Sunday morning, the mountains of trash have magically disappeared. In that moment, you understand WHY the team at the University of Mississippi are natio...
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Hey there. It's Winston Faircloth, and welcome back to the Begin Again podcast. So today, my special guest, he's the author of Growing Weeders Into Leaders. He works at the University of Mississippi and his book is about leadership lessons from the ground level. I know you're really going to enjoy meeting Jeff.
Winston Faircloth:He's such a genuine down to earth guy, and he just has so much wisdom to share with us on this podcast episode today. You're gonna hear a little bit later on on how he led his team to several national championships. So with that, let's bring on Jeff McManus. All right, Jeff McManus, welcome to the Begin Again podcast.
Jeff McManus:Hey, my friend. Thanks so much for having me, Winston.
Winston Faircloth:I am so thrilled to have you here and to share your story. You have created an amazing culture. You have just this wealth of experience and being in the mastermind with you has been a real joy for me in terms of getting to know you. Why don't you share a little bit about who you are and the people that you're serving today, Jeff?
Jeff McManus:I'm here at the University of Mississippi. Most people know us as Ole Miss. We're in the Southeastern Conference, very competitive conference. I am the landscaping, airport, and golf director. Been here for twenty years since 2000.
Jeff McManus:Moved my beautiful little family up here. Wife, Suzanne, of twenty five years and four handsome young men. And so they're all college age or one just graduated and is off the payroll. Thank you. That's a new beginning.
Jeff McManus:And so I felt like we got a raise and he's working in Atlanta. Very happy for him.
Winston Faircloth:It's an amazing story. You have a beautiful family and you've had an interesting career at Ole Miss in terms of just the transformation that you've helped lead and shepherd there. So looking back, kind of begin again moments would you like to share today?
Jeff McManus:Well, I think most people enjoy going to college campuses Well, and and most of the time, especially if you're an alumni or or you have great memories at a school or you're a big fan of sports. But one of the things that we're actively doing in my world in landscaping is we're trying to create this beautiful environment, and we're trying to do it, yes, so that kids can study and all the good things that happen in that world, but also landscaping makes a great recruiting tool. So we're recruiting because we found out and we knew this just by word-of-mouth and talking to the the people who came, and this is true for any campus, but sixty two percent of prospective students make a decision within the first few minutes of a college visit on whether or not they're coming. Well, the big part of that is landscaping, baby. Right?
Jeff McManus:It is the way those trees look. It's the way the flowers pop. You've got to connect emotionally so that mamas and daddies, sons and daughters are going, this is my new home for the next four years. And so we work really hard to create that wow, that emotional connection. People go, I wanna be a part of this.
Jeff McManus:This is this feels good. This is home. So that new beginning, not only here on campus, but it's for every student that comes every year that we get in. But the interesting fun little thing I'll just quickly share is that we didn't have that curb appeal like we should have. We had to come in here and change that and so that was part of my role was to create that atmosphere where people were proud of what they were doing, that culture of being the best.
Jeff McManus:You don't always find that in a state institution and creating excellence. We were able to turn that around, and we went literally from last place to winning five national championships here at Ole Miss in landscape beautification. So that's pretty cool. That was a new beginning.
Winston Faircloth:That is an amazing turnaround, and you have the national ring to show it. Right? I mean, this is something that's really cool that's happened recently too.
Jeff McManus:Yes. I do. And doggone it, I left it in the truck so that because it's hard to type with a big that big thing on my finger. But recently, in the last thirty days, we were actually able to give all of our staff a championship ring. We had some great donations.
Jeff McManus:And so they have the the five little years on there that were they have won those awards. So that that's a big shout out. And I work with a lot of guys who put it on the line every day. Hardworking blue collar guys that get it, man. I mean, they get after it.
Jeff McManus:So it's nice to have a little bling on the finger for them to say, hey. We you guys are doing it. You're you're national champions.
Winston Faircloth:How do you get to be national champion? This is a fascinating I've seen it in sports. I've seen it in debate teams and things like that where there's this kind of you have the brackets or whatever else that kind of help you crown a champion. How do you become a national champion?
Jeff McManus:That's a great question. Nobody has ever asked me that question before, so I sort of laughed when you asked that. There are actually national organizations that have awards that they give them, like, a grand award or sort of a second place or third honorary award sometimes. And we have entered that contest twice and won the grand award. Well, they call it a grand award, hey, we're at a college campus, Winston.
Jeff McManus:We that's a national championship. Yes, sir. You just don't get any closer to a national championship. And then we had a couple of organizations, USA Today, Newsweek, and Princeton Review had named us the most beautiful campus. We claimed that as a national championship, so we put banners up in our truck shed just like in a basketball arena that says the year and who recognized us.
Jeff McManus:We're all about lifting up our team to let them know they're some of the best of the best.
Winston Faircloth:Not only are you national champion, you're undefeated in these seasons too in terms of grabbing that recognition and what a cool motivation that has to be for your team in terms of instilling pride, not only instilling pride, but figuring things. How do you keep that level high? How do you take it to that next level? I'm sure that that's a big part of your work as well.
Jeff McManus:Well, it's maintaining it, If you arrive and you can't start saying, well, we're the best and we don't really have to get after the weeds anymore. We don't have to cut it. So how do you motivate, right? Everybody has that same challenge in the workforce is motivating staff. So, you know, what we found is there's three things that we need from each individual.
Jeff McManus:One is we need their hands, right? We need them working, But two, we need them thinking. Right? We need their head. But most of all, what we need is we need them to believe in their heart.
Jeff McManus:This is what they wanna do. So we focus a lot on those three, especially the heart. So we talk a lot about our core values and we develop the core values with our staff. We let them be a part of that. One of my super gifts, super hero strengths I guess or whatever people talk about is I love to get collaboration.
Jeff McManus:I love it at all, you know, to I don't mind having the idea. I want to plant those seeds in other people and let it be their idea and then let them change it. Let them work it, massage it. And I just found that we have had some of our best success and we created this program for consistency called landscape university. I know what our standards need to be, but it does me no good if the guy out in the field does it have it in his heart.
Jeff McManus:Mhmm. So I had to let them be a part of creating those standards. And I'm telling you, made them tougher than than I made them. They developed these classes, and so that's how we maintain the standards. There's that certain expectation, and then we that's what we're striving for.
Jeff McManus:It's rare that you have to back your people down because they're so motivated. Like, right now, we're going through this whole coronavirus, and it's like our guys did not wanna stop working because they didn't want the campus to drop and level. They didn't want it and we needed to send people home, slow to things down, and and it's springtime right now when you and I are talking. Things are growing. So that was very encouraging to to see that, hey, guys.
Jeff McManus:We we are gonna have to just let some of this go for a little while until we get back.
Winston Faircloth:Not only does that help people in terms of raising the standard and helping them have pride and heart in their role, but as new people come on board, now they have to either get on board with the culture or, you know, they say, hey, this is not for me. It really is a good weeding out process in terms of the people who can be on your team to be national championship caliber. Right?
Jeff McManus:That's right. And most people are not used to that high standard. When we interview people now we use the landscape creed. A lot of times our staff will say, hey tell us what that means to you and one of the lines says lead by example and so they'll get that person to talk about what does it mean to lead by example. Adapt and overcome.
Jeff McManus:Real quickly you start tell us a time when you had to adapt and overcome in your last job and they start hearing if their values line up really quick. So yeah, for the new hires, knowing your core values is very helpful for us and your next hire can absolutely build your business or wreck your business. Those hires are extremely important.
Winston Faircloth:The values that you just shared are your North Star. They are the guiding principles, they give your team the discretion and the freedom to work within those parameters that you're not have to micromanage, you're not having to oversee people because they have it in their heart, you've equipped them in their head and now they're ready to go with their hands and really take it to a next level. That's got to feel as a leader really great to see that kind of buy in from your team.
Jeff McManus:It is important and when you get there, it's a great feeling. It really is.
Winston Faircloth:So how did you get from here to there? Mean, you didn't, that's something that takes time, it takes intentionality, but what were some of the beginning steps to build that culture? That was not what you found yourself with when you first arrived.
Jeff McManus:That's right. You can't do it by yourself. If you're by yourself, you're working by yourself. Sure, can do it by yourself, but when you have a team, you need help. And so for us, what we needed to do was take people away from the campus and show them what it really looks like to be a a really, I guess, five star campus, a top tier campus.
Jeff McManus:So we went to properties. We went to resorts. We went to places to let our people see what it was that we wanted them to aspire to. And that really helped change the thinking because instantly they saw it. They got it.
Jeff McManus:I had a gentleman who went with me. This was probably nineteen years ago, maybe even twenty years ago. We went to a university and there was grass clippings all over the place. I mean, was terrible, Winston. It just it was all balled up in the front yard of there, their main building.
Jeff McManus:We got back in the van to leave and I said, what was y'all's first impression of the place, of the campus here? And they all started talking about the grass and how terrible it looked. And it'd been raining. We knew all that. We knew all the reasons why.
Jeff McManus:It's like it just didn't look good. A few days ago he reminded me of that. Now this has been nineteen twenty years ago that he still remembered that first impression and he still with it he's one of my supervisors who that's important to him. He got the first impression. He knew what we were talking about, but it was so worth the trip to invest in him and the others that went as well.
Jeff McManus:I mean they all nothing clicked any better than taking them somewhere really wrong.
Winston Faircloth:I love that so much because we get familiar. Familiar breeds contempt. We've heard that term before. And when we're in the same environment all the time, we sometimes we just take it for granted. We take for granted how the current condition is.
Winston Faircloth:And when you took them out of that environment and you took them to some five star places, now they could see the contrast. All of a sudden they could see their place with new eyes, right?
Jeff McManus:That's right. Exactly. They begin to see what top looking turf looks like, what shrubs pruned the right way look like. Not the way we're used to doing it at our house, but what does a top tier property look like. So at that point then the selling became much easier because I said why don't we be the best of the best?
Jeff McManus:And I didn't really know what that meant other than I knew we needed to go up. What it really meant was, you know, to win some national championships. Within two years with the same staff, we had turned it around so much we won our first national championship.
Winston Faircloth:That's phenomenal.
Jeff McManus:Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Winston Faircloth:I've heard you tell the story before in terms of how your team not only took pride in their work, but how this became a recruiting tool across the university in terms of just, you said the first impression that you talked about before, but you are in a hyper competitive conference. Yeah. And standing out and helping both academics and athletics. This is a huge tool for the university.
Jeff McManus:It is. And any time that we could show our staff how the university was using their work is it's a win. So for example, when they sent out postcards and it's a picture of all their azaleas blooming on campus and when we show our staff, hey look they're using you guys as recruiting tools, you know, they're using your work. Every athletic event before every athletic event, the announcer says, welcome to Ole Miss, the most beautiful campus in America. Well, that's our staff.
Jeff McManus:And so we talk about how that happens. And then when the TV cameras come and they're filming the the football games, they always have some b roll, right, for the commercial breaks, showing the beauty of the campus. And it's like, hey, guys, look at what they're showing. We're fortunate to be in an occupation where we get some positive kudos. Right?
Jeff McManus:And we can get some shout outs. So that's, it's really nice.
Winston Faircloth:And then you have the effect of so many people on campus. I mean, a massive event. Saturday evenings can be
Jeff McManus:They're fun. They're a lot of fun.
Winston Faircloth:Well, talk about that. How do you transform a campus from a seat of so much excitement, so much joy, so much anticipation, so much revelry and then have it pristine, you know, the next morning. How does that happen?
Jeff McManus:Well, it takes a lot of planning and a lot of, you know, you make mistakes along the way. But what what was happening to us when I first came on campus twenty years ago, we would have a beautiful football game and then everybody we have The Grove in the center of campus, 10 acres of just lush green grass and beautiful oak trees and just very very inviting for picnicking. So all of our friends and family and alumni tailgate in The Grove. And I mean it's now it is just like one of the top tailgating spots in the nation. It's just the place you want to be.
Jeff McManus:But on Sunday, we come in and, unfortunately, it wouldn't be as clean as we had left it on Friday. We'd be hauling out eighty, ninety tons of garbage. That's that's a lot of garbage. But all day Sunday, we'd be in here and we were feeling a little bit sorry for ourselves and it was just bringing morale down to such a lower level. And so we just again went to our folks and said, how can we make this into a win?
Jeff McManus:What can we do different? Somebody raised their hand and said, hey, why don't we just close The Grove on Saturday? And everybody laughed. You know, you're not gonna we're never gonna do that. And so what else could we do?
Jeff McManus:And they said, why don't we contract it out and let somebody a contractor. That's what states employees do. If we don't want to do the work, we contract it out to somebody else. The only problem we had when we put it out to bid, Winston, was nobody bid on it because nobody wanted to clean up all that garbage after the game. So we kept asking our staff, well, what else could we do?
Jeff McManus:Come on, guys. What we can and how can we have it so Sunday morning when people are going to church or going home on Sunday morning that the campus is popping at its back pristine, that it kind of like everybody's going like, wow. Right? How do we create that wow? And so somebody goes, if we came in at midnight and what if we ask some people, maybe nonprofit organizations to come in and help clean up?
Jeff McManus:And maybe students would help. And so we kind of laughed at that thinking, okay, students are not gonna come in and help clean up after a big football game. There's no way. But we reached out to the Baptist Student Union here on campus. They brought 80 something kids that first Saturday and cleaned up the entire grove at midnight in about an hour, hour and a half, which was absolutely amazing.
Jeff McManus:I mean it was like holy cow that went fast. I mean it was taking us ten, fifteen hours to clean up the place. So that became the new standard. We've got now more groups involved. They use it for fundraising which is great.
Jeff McManus:The university can pay these students for fundraising. They use it for charity events or whatever they need money for. They're doing a great service. They're involved. Actually university saves a little money because we're not paying all that overtime and morale is really high.
Jeff McManus:So it became a kind of a cool story that actually the New York Times even picked up on that and put us in the article years ago about the wow factor there and cleaning up the campus.
Winston Faircloth:I have been on many campuses right after a big event like that. I have never experienced what you just described. There's always something, whether it's a big concert at the hall or big event like a football game, which is like a concert on steroids, right? You know, multiple of 10. That's just that's phenomenal.
Jeff McManus:We love to have our people come and they always say Ole Miss doesn't win all of its games, but it never loses a party. Okay? So they enjoy that's one of things with southern hospitality at its best, people welcoming visiting teams. It's it's a neat environment. It's just super special.
Jeff McManus:We just helped create that so that now on Sundays, people can get back to normal, throw the Frisbee in the grove, bring their kids out, have a good time. So it's a lot of fun. And plus, honestly, we don't have to work as hard because we've got all these students doing it with us and they've got some pride and ownership in it as well. So it's just a win win win all the way around.
Winston Faircloth:So talk a little bit more about your landscape university cause I find that a really fascinating dimension as well. How did that get developed? Who shepherds that today? Is it more the team members who are really kind of raising that bar and codifying these standards and teaching their peers?
Jeff McManus:It is. Landscape university was just birthed out of a need in the sense that you mentioned a while ago, new people coming on board and how many times we would train people and then by the time six months comes around or somebody quits and leaves it's like, now Charlie's gone, how do we do it? And so it was a way for us to share the knowledge and to get everybody up to the same level, the high same level of excellence. The magic of Landscape University has been it never stops growing just like our plants. One way that we taught the class may not be the next way we teach it because our people will identify a better way through the process and so we'll modify the class.
Jeff McManus:I don't teach the classes. I used to do a lot of training, but my goal was to make it so that I didn't have a job, right? I trained everything I knew. I'm gonna have a horticulture degree and all these things and I just kept putting that into other people because I want them to be the experts. I want people to talk to them about how to do things at their home in their garden.
Jeff McManus:We just let our people be a part of it every step of the way. So what does the person need to know the very first day they come to work? And we let our people input on that. And we ended up creating the class. We would go through it and just keep doing this over and over like, how do we want to cut grass?
Jeff McManus:And believe it or not, there's right ways and wrong ways to cut grass and so we develop standards on how to cut grass and then we just create these little classes and then now we've gone up to a whole new level where we create power points, we have pictures, our guys are in the pictures, we have videos, they're in the videos and you know they're kind of becoming celebrities in their own little world there because they're in all these productions. We took a weed eater position and created a videographer out of it. And so we no longer have that video a weed eater person but now that person works with us in landscape university and they they help us keep that fresh content and you'd be amazed at how many times our frontline staff go, we need a class in this. We need a class in this or that. And we'll birth a new class.
Jeff McManus:It's great because it helps keep the standards there. Now they're no longer my standards. Mhmm. They're our standards. Right?
Jeff McManus:They're Ole Miss standards. So we didn't think this process up, but we saw some other big organizations doing this. And so we tried to learn how could we do it on a on a much smaller level, and that's what we tried to do. We you know, Disney has Disney University. Mhmm.
Jeff McManus:I've never gone through it. McDonald's, I hear, has McDonald University. Never been through it. But just understanding that concept of how to train people to the way you want it to be done. It's been a great onboarding and a great way to keep morale going because we do a lot of leadership training in that as well.
Winston Faircloth:So many of the folks that I work with and listen to this podcast are coaches and mentors and building their own small teams. And one of the things that we talk about a lot is just capture what you're doing today. That creates a benchmark that then somebody who's more gifted than you can come along and make it better. Yeah. But if you capture a screenshot or just capture your exact way of doing things today, somebody on your team is going to come along and make it way better than what you had imagined.
Winston Faircloth:Right?
Jeff McManus:That's true. If you want to bottleneck everything, do it yourself. Right? And and try to do it yourself. As soon as I figure out I can get out of the way, I love it.
Jeff McManus:I mean, I love it when people take ownership in it and can make it better than we'd ever originally thought. And then give them the credit. Landscape University was something that that was dear to my heart, but I don't take credit for that because there were so many more hands in it. I helped birth that and helped get it going, obviously, because I'm the leader in the area. But I don't claim it to be mine because it has so many hands a part of it now.
Jeff McManus:So much bigger than me.
Winston Faircloth:You just expressed what makes you such a great leader, Jeff, is because you are not afraid to give the credit where it's due and that you're creating a climate. I mean, ultimately, you're creating a climate and an opportunity for people to become the best expression of what they were born to be.
Jeff McManus:I noticed on Ronald Reagan's desk when I went to his library a few years ago and I think Harry maybe Harry Truman had it on his. It doesn't matter who gets the credit, right, at the end of the day. Great leaders try to do that. So I always try to remember that that it doesn't matter who gets the credit because, man, if you can give credit to somebody else, you're tapping into that heart belief there. Because now that's theirs.
Jeff McManus:That's how you motivate people. Get them bought in as, man, so and so. Did you hear that idea they had? Awesome. Good job.
Jeff McManus:And so and so and so and so, they were a part of that idea birthed out because they were all tossing that idea around. Sometimes people say, man, you you have a lot of meetings. I'm like, we have short little meetings, but we get high buy in. Mhmm. And people are much more motivated.
Jeff McManus:And when they're motivated, they work much faster, much more efficient. It's just been great to see the buy in when people own it. So giving them ownership, that was one of my charges, by the way, from my boss was we want our people to own it. And we had to figure out how to own it, and that that worked really well.
Winston Faircloth:I think you've told before the story of how you came to get this role and it's kind of the expectation that you had that was given to you. Do you want to share that story as well?
Jeff McManus:Well, sure. Doctor. Kayat was the chancellor at the time and he really wanted that top campus like we were talking about earlier and he just wanted five star and he was frustrated because he wasn't getting it. He was running into that mentality that we sometimes see state institutions run into as we don't have time for that or we don't have enough people, we don't have enough money. You get a lot of great excuses, but you don't get a lot of production.
Jeff McManus:That was the charge. I want a five star property, but he didn't tell me we only had a one star budget. So we had to figure out how to be creative. Right? Get people to buy in, excited.
Jeff McManus:And what we found out is is most organizations that are having problems are not very well organized. That was a big part. We needed to get organized and we found out we had 31 people. We really only needed 24. And so we had lost people.
Jeff McManus:Once I started holding people accountable and, you know, I was checking on them, seeing how they're doing and encouraging them and caught a guy hiding in the bushes, you know, smoking cigarettes and fine guys dumpster diving. They don't like it when you're out there kind of checking on the property. We lost a few folks and we didn't hire back. We were doing awesome with just 24 people. We hired more people back because we got more responsibility, but people started the good people got better because they enjoyed when I came around because I was seeing what they were doing and they got to show off their property.
Jeff McManus:It was fun. That was his charge is to, hey, let's take it to the five star. Let's be one of the best. He was trying to make Ole Miss one of the great American universities, which he did get that recognition for doing that. He was a visionary leader, which inspired me, which helped me inspire hopefully our staff to go as well.
Winston Faircloth:And so now you also share this message very broadly in terms of your work because people are saying, goodness, how did this turn around? How did you do this with not doubling your budget, not adding your team, all these things that you and the team have accomplished. You're sharing that message now with the other owners like me and others around the country. Talk a little bit about how much fun that is.
Jeff McManus:Well, that's a lot of fun because, as one of my former bosses said, you know, after about seven years, you're looking for some new challenges and you're looking for new things and you've got coaches on here and entrepreneurs. You know, we all you get the itch. You wanna do something. Well, I really loved it here. I love my interaction, but I, you know, I had the itch and people were asking us questions about how we were doing it.
Jeff McManus:We were getting more visitors here. So I just wrote a book, Growing Weeders into Leaders. Someone gave me that clever title. I thought it was great because our weeders are affectionately known. Our folks turned into helping lead our campus in so many ways.
Jeff McManus:The book sort of helped more with the speakings. I've got to do speaking. I've got to do some fun consulting from time to time. Help even create landscape universities for some other companies and so that's been cool and they're not all landscaping companies. It's just been neat to see how the cool things that we have used here to change a culture has helped others in a small way change their cultures.
Jeff McManus:They were looking for a tool and we were able to help them. That's been a lot of fun. I don't know where it's going. It's it's fun to get the calls and say, hey, can you keynote or hey, can you come do a breakout for us? Love that.
Jeff McManus:I mean, it's a win win. I get to show off Ole Miss as a leader in the industry, but also I get to share my passion and getting to help others. So it's I try to find things where the circles cross right? So those commonalities have and so our friend Dan Miller I believe it's the Venn diagram that he uses where the three circles cross and I'm always looking to cross circles and if I can go out and help promote Ole Miss a little bit and then also help people, that's where circles are crossing right there and just my bosses have been really good about understanding that that they hired leaders to work here and that those leaders are gonna have opportunities. So it's been a lot of fun to do, to help others.
Jeff McManus:It's just so much fun.
Winston Faircloth:Well, let's let folks know how to best connect with you because this is a great story. We're only scratching the surface here in our format today. How can people best connect with you, learn a little bit more about your team and the transformation that you and your team have experienced?
Jeff McManus:You're so kind to do that, Winston. Thank you and thank you for doing the podcast. You're really a leader in your space and doing this, so hats off to you. I'm simply at jeff mcmanus dot com. Anybody wants to reach out on there, you can contact me.
Jeff McManus:I'm also on I do Twitter mostly, so I'm on Twitter, jeff mcmanus. I'm there on Twitter. I have a cool handout when I do keynotes and I talk a lot about cultivating greatness. That's our vision now is we cultivate greatness. And so I start going into ways how to cultivate great teams, like how to build team members.
Jeff McManus:And and I can only share a few points, but in the keynote I give away a PDF file of these and I'd love to make them available for your audience if they want to download it. It's as simple as typing in four four two two two and type in one word cultivate 2020. Cultivate 2020. Four four two two two cultivate twenty twenty and it'll automatically just walk you through it. Just text that and it'll ask you for your email and then it'll send it to you as well.
Winston Faircloth:That's amazing. Jeff, I am so thankful for this story. I know so many of our entrepreneurs are thinking about how do I build a team? How do I not only build a team, but build a team that has the heart, the mind and the hands that you talked about earlier. So you've done our audience a great service in sharing this story today.
Jeff McManus:Well, Winston, thanks for having me. Again, you're a leader in the space. I'm so glad you and I have gotten to know each other. It's wonderful to see what all you're doing. So thank you for having me.
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