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Greetings upon greetings to all VH-loving speaker systems everywhere!
Yes it's that time again for another issue of your _(insert number here)_st / nd / rd / th favourite Van Halen podcast that’s out there on the digital broadcast cyberhighway!
Now we do like sailing along in our relationship with you dear listener, but like any good relationship it's important to spice things up every now and again to keep things interesting isn't it... that's why this episode has temporarily moved away from all and any VH-related record analysising and, following a successful field trip to London's O2 Islington Academy, we've moved on to this podcast's first live gig review of... Wolfie's recent Mammoth WVH show!!
EXPECT... Rig-rundowns! Accidental knife smuggling! Encore debates! Audition tales! Flammable near-misses! And soOo much more....
Do enjoy the show, but before you leave please pick up any litter and take it with you.
What do you mean, "Why?"
You wouldn't leave your own house in a mess like that would you??
No. Exactly.
Thank you for your co-operation.
Also! if you are so inclined and have access to both a keyboard and next door's Wi-Fi password, please do leave us a review inside your chosen podcast platform's review zone. Whatever we see we'll deffo read it out.... the good, even the bad and especially the ugly.
You can also message or mention us on that angry social place that has since rebranded with a swanky new name that no-one ever uses: twitter.com/talkinvanhalen and on the Facebooks which nobody cool really goes on anymore: facebook.com/TalkinVanHalen
Enjoy the show, dear podpal!
Thank you for being here and not over there.
Fistbumps aplenty,
Steve + Ross at ATBVH HQ.
Yes it's that time again for another issue of your _(insert number here)_st / nd / rd / th favourite Van Halen podcast that’s out there on the digital broadcast cyberhighway!
Now we do like sailing along in our relationship with you dear listener, but like any good relationship it's important to spice things up every now and again to keep things interesting isn't it... that's why this episode has temporarily moved away from all and any VH-related record analysising and, following a successful field trip to London's O2 Islington Academy, we've moved on to this podcast's first live gig review of... Wolfie's recent Mammoth WVH show!!
EXPECT... Rig-rundowns! Accidental knife smuggling! Encore debates! Audition tales! Flammable near-misses! And soOo much more....
Do enjoy the show, but before you leave please pick up any litter and take it with you.
What do you mean, "Why?"
You wouldn't leave your own house in a mess like that would you??
No. Exactly.
Thank you for your co-operation.
Also! if you are so inclined and have access to both a keyboard and next door's Wi-Fi password, please do leave us a review inside your chosen podcast platform's review zone. Whatever we see we'll deffo read it out.... the good, even the bad and especially the ugly.
You can also message or mention us on that angry social place that has since rebranded with a swanky new name that no-one ever uses: twitter.com/talkinvanhalen and on the Facebooks which nobody cool really goes on anymore: facebook.com/TalkinVanHalen
Enjoy the show, dear podpal!
Thank you for being here and not over there.
Fistbumps aplenty,
Steve + Ross at ATBVH HQ.
Creators & Guests
What is Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Van Halen?
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Van Halen - the definitive guide to all things Van Halen. Join comedy's own Stephen Alan Yorke and Cheap Meat's Ross Drummond as they actually DO talk 'bout everything Van Halen... with a few pointless tangents in between. You'll laugh! You'll cry! Perhaps you'll side with team David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar. And maybe you'll pick up fashion tips from Gary Cherone and his leather waistcoats!
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Ross
For some reason.
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Steve
Oh, okay. Boom, boom, reboot the room.
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Ross
Can't get enough of your love fame. Welcome.
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Ross
Dear listener, I've not got intro music today because I didn't know what I was going to say.
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Steve
Oh, have we started?
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Ross
Oh yeah, we started. I said it recorded and we were off.
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Steve
Oh, I was waiting for some.
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Ross
That's why I did my Barry White.
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Steve
Yeah. Can you do um a Van Halen song and a Barry White style?
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Ross
uh ain't talking about love just like you've heard him before this is it its tough because Barry's got such a swing to his did indeed did de whereas rid and i'm singing perfect ten by beautiful self now i would to do that i love people's
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Steve
Was that
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Steve
no explosion necessary I, I found that I was extremely hot under under the collar for that.
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Steve
You've, you've um we'll use that for our Beautiful South podcast. We should explain, we should explain to the listener why we're a reference in Barry White. We've had some technical problems before.
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Ross
we'd just been making love and it was still played in the background after we'd it was one of Steve's famous peep shows that I had actually stumbled across on the dark web and yeah yeah and what I will say is the amount of Vaseline you had on the on the camera it took years off yeah
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Steve
a Yeah.
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Steve
Yeah. And it was like a, it was a, I'd like to say it was a, it was a long player.
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Steve
Yeah. Well, you know, it's what you've got to do to make it through in this cam in business when there's so much competition.
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Ross
yeah
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Ross
Yeah. And I'd really appreciated the wet wipe delivery beforehand. It was yeah nice used to clean down afterwards.
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Steve
Yeah, that's good.
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Ross
These days you get sweaty.
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Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ross
You listen to a lot of Barry. but We were having what they call sample rate issues.
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Steve
I just yeah, we had some sample ratio. So when we logged on um to each other, we connected online. um Ross sounded like Barry White.
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Ross
Yeah, I did.
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Steve
And I sounded like, um ah just like what you said, I didn't take another day.
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Ross
Like you take a little bit of hippie crack, they call it on the streets laughing gas.
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Steve
Yeah. ah With 100% concentrated helium.
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Ross
Yeah.
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Steve
So I sounded like this.
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Ross
Yeah. It was i sounded like this.
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Steve
And you sounded
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Ross
And it was like, it wasn't bizarre enough to feel affected, which is that then the self-doubt was creeping in and it was very tough.
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Ross
i
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Steve
You thought it was i was just like a really like ah annoying, like long, oh ah outstain its welcome joke.
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Ross
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was doing the bit. It's like, ah guys, do you remember?
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Steve
Yeah, that's funny, Steve, but can we just like just talk normal again now?
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Ross
All right. We're on the clock now, Steve. Come on.
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Steve
Yeah, yeah, and um time is money.
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Ross
so So that was what we're back we saw special app live show spec app and you've got your spectacles on so it's
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Steve
But we're back!
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Steve
Oh, this is a special episode! A spec app!
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Steve
I have! Because the thing we're back to reference was quite the spectacle.
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Ross
Oh, yeah.
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Steve
Thank you very much.
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Ross
No, you're welcome.
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Steve
Thank you!
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Ross
And it was a spectacle. And I'd say it was it was quite a spectacle because I may be still recovering from the back surgery of crating my neck to see anything because we arrived so late to the game.
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Steve
Yeah, yeah. So this was, was this in June? but So we're recording this and it's July.
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Ross
um Yeah.
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Steve
but No, it's God. No, it's not.
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Ross
August.
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Steve
It's August.
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Steve
I've got like ah a second hand calendar and it's without a date.
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Ross
No, it's July the 9th.
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Steve
It was July in 2024. And we're now recording this in like, what was it? Middle of August, 2024, uh, 2020, 2021.
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Ross
Yeah.
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Steve
And, um, yeah, so we went to see V8.
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Ross
Mammoth, Wolfgang Van Halen.
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Steve
We saw Wolfie live at the, what was it, the Islington?
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Ross
IRL.
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Ross
The O2 Islington Academy.
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Steve
Oh, to Islington. And um we went together on like a on a business field trip.
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Ross
It's a strange venue.
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Ross
We did. We did for tax purposes, it was a business field.
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Steve
Yeah, for all those 68 pints that we had, we saw tax deductible.
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Ross
that did yeah i uh yeah we did it was a rainy day horrible rain steven was late i i had to go to two bars uh not through choice i went to one bar first if youre remembery and yes
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Steve
um Yeah, but we went on a field trip for this very um for this very episode to see, yeah.
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Steve
very on brand very on brand for that guy it give you time give you time to find the right bar because you get some messages to go yeah i'm not in that one that was shit
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Ross
Yeah.
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Steve
ah
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Ross
Went to us like, uh, cause during the euros, I was like, Oh, it'd be fun to watch a bit of the euros before Steven arrives. He was running like, cause the trades, it wasn't his own.
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Steve
Yeah, and I got lost.
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Ross
It wasn't his fault.
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Steve
And he gets lost, bless him.
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Ross
He gets lost.
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Steve
He leaves a trail of sugar behind, but when it's raining, it will dissolve.
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Ross
Yeah.
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Ross
know this
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Steve
He don't know where he's going.
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Ross
And then he slips on it on the way home. Was this where it was?
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Steve
Yeah.
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Ross
I, uh, so yeah. So once it's one bar ordered what they call a pint of cider.
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Steve
Mm. Beautiful. in Happy apple juice.
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Ross
got given it took a sip and I was like this isn't cider and then the woman was like yes it is and I said this isn't cider this tastes like beer and then she took a sip of it and was like oh my god that does taste like beer let me get you another one
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Steve
Oh, yes. I remember this.
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Steve
Right.
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Ross
And then they made me another one and I was like, this is still beer. And then the guy, and I was like, can I get not beer, please?
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Ross
Cause that's. or And then she went, yeah, of course. And then the guy, she got a manager or whatever. And I reckon some tomfoolery happened behind the scenes. Cause there was beer coming out of that cider tap.
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Steve
right Yeah, yeah.
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Ross
And then they eventually got me a cider, but then as I was drinking it, it still had beer remnants in it.
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Steve
I said basically like a ah big old cocktail.
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Ross
So it was like. a snake bite? Is that a snake bite? Is that what the youth used to drink?
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Steve
Isn't the snake, is it isn't snake bite blackcurrant and cider?
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Ross
i got sight what's it What was it called when it was cider and a lager? Half and half students used to drink.
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Steve
um Silly mix up, I think it was called.
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Ross
Yeah. Anyway, it tasted rank. So sat please.
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Steve
Maybe it was that, the rank. I'll have a rank, they point a rank.
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Ross
Yes, sir. Right away.
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Steve
Yeah.
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Ross
Um, so I sat there and I was like, this is unpleasant. It's in this weird faux sports bar in a shopping center. I'm going to go to an actual pub. but So did that got real cider and then Steve turned up.
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Steve
Yeah.
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Steve
Hi there. What's happened to you since I've ah been on my journey? And Ross was like, you wouldn't believe what I've been through.
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Ross
You wouldn't believe this. I've been gaslit.
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Steve
I think you've been get alcoholically gas lit.
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Ross
Yeah.
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Steve
Not in a nice way either. In the most unpleasant way.
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Ross
So unpleasant.
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Steve
It was nice, though, because we could have a few points before, because we sort of, we sort of thought you sort of like helped us sort of time it so that we would sort of get there for when Wolfie was on.
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Ross
I mean.
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Ross
I love a few few shandies and then we had a lovely catch up and then walked to the venue.
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Steve
Yeah, bit of a catch up.
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Ross
Another thing I didn't tell you, Steve, and this is actually quite dangerous.
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Steve
Oh, was it? all Was it? Did you drug me? And it was all a mirage. Did did we not actually see Wolfie Van Halen?
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Ross
ah trigger trail was actually no ah I left the house and I forgot in my pocket, I was carrying quite a large knife.
00:07:03.60
Steve
Well, it's a good time to reveal that live on air to see my instant reaction.
00:07:13.32
Steve
Oh, in case I got out of hand, in case I try to rob you again.
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Ross
Yeah, I just needed to wet a man. and um
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Steve
Yeah, I did. I do need to have that sort of deterrent sometimes I can get
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Ross
I'll show you on the camera. So it's just like a pocket, it's a pocket knife, but it's beyond legal specification. I use it at home for cutting things.
00:07:27.74
Steve
When you, when you first held it up, I thought it was like a 18 inch razor blade.
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Ross
Well, it's a big lad.
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Steve
Oh my God, it's not far off.
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Ross
So I had that in my pocket.
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Steve
Why'd you carry it out? It's like you're at Bear Grylls.
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Ross
Well, I didn't mean to. I can't, it is only now.
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Steve
It's like a hunting knife. What's it for?
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Ross
No, I had that. It's just for, I use it for cutting open Amazon boxes, but, um, yeah.
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Steve
Do you? Okay.
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Ross
And, uh, and I just, like I just, like I started, one of the many things I did to i get further into debt during the COVID was spend money on stupid things.
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Steve
I'm not gonna, I feel threatened, so I'm not gonna ask any more questions.
00:08:01.61
Ross
And one of the things I started by money spending money on was knives.
00:08:05.31
Steve
That's really funny and a little bit weird. How many knives you got?
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Ross
yeah
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Steve
Have you got like four knives of all the things?
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Ross
Or.
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Ross
So anyway, that one I don't carry it. That's just, it's like beautiful. It's handmade, American made steel, you know, high quality tool. I had that in my pocket.
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Steve
Yeah.
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Ross
So the entire time I was like, I had to like, I was like, I was like, well, if I get searched going in, we did get patted down, but it was such a poor pat.
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Steve
Oh, God.
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Steve
Oh, did we get patted dame going in? Oh, yeah.
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Ross
That was all right. Cause they would have confiscated that. They'd have been like, are you going to go on some sort of Columbine style, you know, attack at the Wolfgang?
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Steve
Oh dear.
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Ross
And I said, no.
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Steve
Now I just want to, I've just wondered in case there's any Amazon parcels might arrive for me and I just want, I just need to open.
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Ross
actually and in I always do that when you go to a gig and say, excuse me, you got the parcels I sent here.
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Steve
I put this address down because I'm not going to be in.
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Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ross
I got my dishwasher tablet sent.
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Steve
Always have a bit of foresight. Yeah.
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Ross
Subscribe and save. No, you save about 10% every time. Yeah.
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Steve
Yeah, exactly.
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Ross
Worth it.
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Steve
It's important. and You don't know when it's going to arrive.
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Ross
I don't mind, you know, it's not, you know, I don't mind saving money on that. It's not, kidding all you know, anyway, so that was very, tra for me personally, quite a treacherous setup to the gig.
00:09:07.71
Steve
may
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Steve
It is, isn't it? I don't... I wouldn't have minded you telling me that. I would have gone on the...
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Ross
i didn't know what i didn't know what but you are then going to be in a kind of complex ah well you would be like what was that in james bondry had the knife come out the butt front of a shoe yeah you just do it you just stomp your foot on the ground and out it pops um
00:09:21.52
Steve
Oh, yeah, it's very nice. I don't think I'd sharpen my toenails in a while, so technically they're a bit lethal, so um I hadn't cut them, so maybe maybe my blade and my big toe was bigger than yours, so we could have both been um in trouble.
00:09:37.12
Steve
Yeah! Yeah, it's basically, it's kind of inspired by people who don't cut their toenails often. and um Wow, God.
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Steve
Oh, it pops. Wow, look at you.
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Ross
yeah so but i forgot to be honest with you the other reason i didn't tell you is because i forgot until we got into the queue well there wasn't a queue because we were like the last people to walk in so i just forgot and then then i was like oh well i'm in yeah you didn't give him any this man yeah fine definitely not carrying a knife
00:09:52.41
Steve
Right. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you your acting skills is very good. I didn't get any of that. I mean, there was that one point, I went, are you all right, Ross? And you went, I'm fine.
00:10:07.36
Steve
but yeah I'm fine. Yeah, what may I ask? Well, thank you. Well, well done. Good, good acting there and um all turned out all right in the end. um May I ask what other knives you got? Have you got like a sword?
00:10:21.86
Ross
No, that's the biggest one I've got. The other ones are just like, they're just like this army knife knives. You know, that one's just got like a little, it's got like scissors on it.
00:10:27.28
Steve
Oh, oh, there's one there.
00:10:31.32
Steve
oh Yeah, I always got that like every Christmas. I get one of them from somebody and Yeah, it's like oh, yeah, and it's got like a corkscrew in it.
00:10:35.39
Ross
Yeah.
00:10:40.17
Steve
I can you can imagine it opening a bottle of wine with one of them things Getting a right mess Well, that's the brand Not like not like James not James Bond James James brand
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Ross
Yeah.
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Ross
But yeah, they did it. There's a nice designer called Draplin.
00:10:47.76
Ross
No, that's the designer. The design, the brand is the James brand. Um, not a sponsor. Uh, no, but James pond.
00:10:57.32
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. That's a nice name. Yeah. Well, it's avoiding copyright.
00:10:59.58
Ross
Anyway, so, so we, so that was, that was the preamble, but we'd also had quite a few Sandy basses about that point.
00:11:04.99
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:08.77
Ross
And then we, we walked in.
00:11:08.88
Steve
We did.
00:11:10.75
Ross
It was jam packed, wasn't it, Steve?
00:11:12.11
Steve
Oh, it was well packed. It was, it was one of them like so packed. I mean, obviously we decided to get there at the point your man comes out. So if we did like not add the ketchup and not enjoyed some beers and a bit of football, we would have got a bit of a space, but it was one of them things when you go to a gig a little bit late and you get there and it's so packed, your heart sort of sinks a bit and just goes, Oh, you know, because it's like, there's barely any space to get, to try and find anywhere.
00:11:19.87
Ross
yeah
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Ross
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:36.69
Ross
Yeah.
00:11:38.93
Steve
And I don't want to just be stood by the door.
00:11:41.32
Ross
Yeah.
00:11:42.01
Steve
because it'll just keep opening on my foot.
00:11:42.05
Ross
Because you're always just in the way. The only places where I laugh are in the way.
00:11:43.61
Steve
Yeah, you're always in the way. Yeah, it's just a bit of a pain. So what do we do? Yeah, so we sort of, and it was just like from the very front. I mean, how many do that lower level? How many people do it?
00:11:54.43
Steve
Oh, do you reckon?
00:11:55.06
Ross
well i think we looked as a four hundred capacity venue sold out i think uh...
00:11:58.25
Steve
So but is that, how many was upstairs, do you reckon?
00:12:00.95
Ross
i'm not many i reckon yet no more than a hundred i reckon i think even less i think they might be like fifty people upstairs we could have held more but they're all around the the balcony they call it that wasn't yet
00:12:01.29
Steve
100? 70? I'm terrible at this. Like, guessing how many sweets are in the jar. Oh, okay. if
00:12:11.33
Steve
yeah And there weren't many people there, were there? like so And there was a bar right next, wasn't it? So it was easy to get through. But downstairs was ram-oed, bruv.
00:12:19.04
Ross
act ah couple
00:12:21.16
Steve
And um so it was, so we decided to sort of go upstairs, didn't we?
00:12:24.07
Ross
Yeah.
00:12:24.45
Steve
And then, that and which i and we we couldn't see a lot, because it was like, what, about three, four, five people deep around the balcony.
00:12:24.65
Ross
I mean, I'd love to tell you what it is.
00:12:29.85
Ross
Yeah. It was, it was such a, and again, we were there, so we were part of the thing.
00:12:33.26
Steve
So that was
00:12:35.59
Ross
It was a very strange crowd, wasn't it, Stephen? They're not the Muslim, but they were weird people at that gig.
00:12:39.56
Steve
Well, yeah, nice well I well, it's all the, it's some things are a bit niche, aren't they? You know, sort of like when things are track niche audiences and stuff and it's, yeah, it's, um.
00:12:46.01
Ross
Hmm.
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Ross
But what I think was interesting for me was, and again, fair play to him. He's got his own audience, but they're not Van Halen fans. They're like alter bridge, Creed fans.
00:13:02.95
Steve
Right. Yeah.
00:13:04.46
Ross
So the fans are the people that listen to like, wi our homes why upon you know, and all the.
00:13:10.71
Steve
Yeah, right. who How do you think he crossed over into those?
00:13:13.80
Ross
open for them. here opened road tobridge ah think He Bridge.
00:13:15.91
Steve
Oh, did it. What's your name? Alter Bridge.
00:13:18.84
Ross
Bridge, he has Mark Tremonti of Creed.
00:13:19.63
Steve
I've never heard of Alter Bridge in my life. But was that sorry?
00:13:23.90
Ross
Mark Tremonti is the guitarist of Creed.
00:13:25.71
Steve
It's a nice name. I've heard of them.
00:13:29.35
Ross
he is He had his own solo project called Alter Bridge.
00:13:32.95
Steve
Oh.
00:13:32.99
Ross
And I think Wolf, he played in the band for a bit, and he also opened for them.
00:13:38.21
Steve
Oh, wow.
00:13:41.77
Ross
And yeah, so there's a lot of people that listen to that.
00:13:46.07
Steve
Right. Okay.
00:13:46.98
Ross
And one thing that's interesting is like, it's like.
00:13:51.68
Ross
That type of music, like that rock, just pure rock is like straight up.
00:13:54.37
Steve
Rock.
00:13:56.87
Ross
Like when people say like, what does mod is modern rock music.
00:14:00.50
Steve
Sorry to interrupt, but is that that Creed and that, what what was his solo project called?
00:14:01.31
Ross
Go on. Alter bridge.
00:14:04.97
Steve
Is that like kind of, I can't picture it. Is it like, like Slipknot or something?
00:14:09.08
Ross
No, it's like. Yeah. wi um and do and did the wow Kind of grungy, modern.
00:14:14.02
Steve
Oh, okay.
00:14:18.14
Steve
So a bit like, um, a bit more mo middle of the road, like, right, right, right, right.
00:14:23.90
Ross
very middle
00:14:26.86
Steve
Yeah. So I can kind of, oh, a bit like, um, this is how you remind me.
00:14:31.69
Ross
Very much.
00:14:33.27
Steve
who What are they called?
00:14:33.75
Ross
Yeah. Nickelback.
00:14:35.29
Steve
little but So it's a bit Nickelbacky.
00:14:36.53
Ross
American modern rock.
00:14:38.23
Steve
Right. Okay.
00:14:39.67
Ross
yeah el murder a wise man
00:14:40.43
Steve
I see. Yeah. ah Never made it as a waz man.
00:14:43.28
Ross
it as a ball um
00:14:46.94
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:47.01
Ross
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:47.52
Steve
Yeah.
00:14:47.83
Ross
Of course we sang.
00:14:48.58
Steve
And I haven't either.
00:14:48.96
Ross
lodge just hu the newsles to today
00:14:53.02
Steve
That's a very, that's a very good impression of a song I've never heard, but I know it.
00:14:53.63
Ross
That's the thing.
00:14:56.88
Steve
That is going to be really good.
00:14:57.03
Ross
want er with our hols by lot All clean guitars have to have chorus on them.
00:15:04.74
Steve
Right.
00:15:05.24
Ross
Neck pickup on the PRS. Do you remember? I don't know. This is a very specific niche. There was an era where all bands played Paul Reed Smith guitars and had Mezi Boogie triple rectifiers.
00:15:14.77
Steve
I don't know what all those words mean but I'm enjoying it.
00:15:17.07
Ross
Any of our listeners that do know are going to be like, yes, I definitely know that era.
00:15:21.56
Steve
Right.
00:15:22.07
Ross
That is them.
00:15:23.73
Steve
Right, okay.
00:15:25.43
Ross
Like all the guitars. a I don't know if I can play any altar bridge, I think has the singer.
00:15:28.12
Steve
Right, right.
00:15:32.95
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:15:36.60
Ross
No, hold on. I get my new metal mix up.
00:15:40.03
Steve
Oh yeah, don't do that.
00:15:41.98
Ross
Um.
00:15:44.79
Steve
Yeah, this is this is another point where um it's a very educational experience.
00:15:48.40
Ross
Yes. Miles Kennedy. I think he's the singer of alter bridge.
00:15:50.17
Steve
Oh, he's great. He does a lot of stuff with Slash, doesn't he? Oh, is he? Oh, I like Miles Kennedy.
00:15:56.17
Ross
um
00:15:56.87
Steve
He's pretty cool. He basically sings. He's a similar age to Axl Rose, but he can actually, because when he does the stuff with Slash, he sings some of those Guns N' Roses songs and he basically sounds like Axl Rose sang in the 80s and 90s, but unfortunately Axl Rose is not
00:16:06.03
Ross
Right. Yes. Nails it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:13.45
Steve
able to do that now but it's like you almost like he sounds so similar not that he's helping it that's just that's his natural way of singing it's what yeah who does axe or is hey I got nothing against pointy shoes yeah yeah they're like winkle pickers they're like accidentally stabbing people in the front row yeah yeah
00:16:14.59
Ross
No.
00:16:17.21
Ross
He does wear very pointy shoes now, so that's good. He does wear very pointy shoes. Axl rows. Oh, but they're like, you know, like when they're so long and they like, like cowboy boots are the really long and it's like the way his feet move.
00:16:36.49
Ross
Yeah. Like you, your, your nail. yeah
00:16:40.69
Steve
Well, if he's got that thing going on as well, it's going to pick people in the back row.
00:16:43.02
Ross
Oh, is it right there? Yeah. and Let's see if I can play a bit of Altibridge for you. Hold on.
00:16:47.71
Steve
That doesn't seem very on brand for Miles Kennedy in a way. I mean, I not like i don't know loads about him, but...
00:16:51.34
Ross
So basically Creed, so he's Scott Stapp. So Creed were Christian rock band.
00:16:55.57
Steve
Oh, really?
00:16:55.94
Ross
Scott Stapp, I think left Creed or they kind of split up and basically the rest of Creed were like, shall we just crack on without this lunatic front man?
00:16:59.05
Steve
Oh, I didn't know that.
00:17:08.77
Ross
And they created Altibridge and Miles Kennedy will be the singer.
00:17:12.29
Steve
but Was it still a Christian band?
00:17:14.41
Ross
I don't know the answer to that question.
00:17:15.60
Steve
Oh, Alter? That sounds like ah that's a ah ah an object.
00:17:18.37
Ross
It could be. this is i've I don't think I've ever listened to any alter bridge. So I'm going to play the number one track on a title, which is what I use.
00:17:24.06
Steve
Let's do it now.
00:17:30.36
Steve
Here we go.
00:17:30.49
Ross
It's which...
00:17:31.85
Steve
You're listening to Ain't Talking About Van Halen.
00:17:35.47
Ross
Oh, it's come through the wrong...
00:17:37.74
Steve
Oh, no.
00:17:38.85
Ross
Christ, my bike.
00:17:39.40
Steve
Is that gonna start? Is he is miles ke Miles Kennedy gonna sound like Barry White?
00:17:43.93
Ross
Oh, I'm playing Barry White. Sorry, I should just say. Hold on. Let's see. Let's try this.
00:17:47.94
Steve
I can't hear anything, Ross.
00:17:54.86
Ross
your You can't hear anything, can you? All right.
00:17:56.74
Steve
I can't hear anything.
00:17:57.13
Ross
Maybe I'll have to hold on. Let's try one more time. Let's go for this.
00:17:59.40
Steve
Okay. Whoa!
00:18:20.13
Ross
be straight and watch
00:18:27.81
Ross
tro too much when oh Do you get the vibe?
00:18:34.58
Steve
Is that Miles Kennedy?
00:18:35.89
Ross
How's Miles Kennedy?
00:18:36.60
Steve
So not that I know loads about him, but say I just listened to some of those like um slash tracks that he's sort of done with him.
00:18:41.81
Ross
Yeah.
00:18:42.51
Steve
And it's like, it's almost like he's singing in a slightly different way.
00:18:44.81
Ross
Ah, okay.
00:18:46.05
Steve
Or is that how he sounds? And he sounds a bit of a different way to ah for slash projects.
00:18:51.33
Ross
oh yeah he's a man of yeah yeah he's great let me play some creed oh
00:18:52.03
Steve
And he sounds a bit more axily, maybe because he's, he's, he's got a very strong voice and he's probably got of like a, you can sort of change. Okay.
00:19:03.93
Ross
it's got a heartbeat in the intro and i want you to know that my act my this i could do this as karaoke because that's you wait i'll
00:19:07.76
Steve
Nice.
00:19:11.48
Steve
Oh, really? Is that because you're a genuine fan or is that because?
00:19:17.08
Ross
explain in a second
00:19:17.58
Steve
Okay.
00:19:18.14
Ross
well i draws her news
00:19:25.11
Ross
seems my life go a change ah close my eyes begin to pray than tears of joy stream down my where longs The thing is,
00:19:48.65
Steve
I've just got my lighter out and I've just accidentally caught my, uh, my microphone on fire.
00:19:52.51
Ross
I, all of that music I just play,
00:19:54.05
Steve
It's okay. It's all right now. It's out. Go on. Sorry.
00:19:57.83
Ross
I actively with the uncoolest music in the world, I would say.
00:20:05.24
Steve
Yes. that Is there a band called uncool?
00:20:07.78
Ross
Oh, uncle.
00:20:08.82
Steve
Oh yeah. But you know, but that was a cool project, but like uncool in a kind of rock way.
00:20:10.21
Ross
Yeah. Yeah. But they're like, so they are so lame and so cheesy and but Creed were
00:20:16.31
Steve
Right.
00:20:20.56
Ross
I think I was talking about this, in podcast ginormous, like multi multi, like the biggest band in America for a period of time.
00:20:23.45
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:28.26
Ross
The artwork for the album, the album is called human clay. I want you to have you got your phone on you.
00:20:32.95
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:33.70
Ross
Look up Creed human clay artwork. It is maybe the worst artwork of an album ever.
00:20:37.47
Steve
Oh, really? Oh, we always learn, we, we all like an album cover critique on this podcast.
00:20:38.46
Ross
Yeah, it is.
00:20:41.93
Ross
It is so that human is human clay by the band Creed.
00:20:43.38
Steve
What's it called? Creed? What? Human Clay. Human Clay album cover.
00:20:51.27
Ross
That's what he says.
00:20:51.29
Steve
Oh dear. I'm preparing my fast self for some terrible typography and some terrible layout decisions. Oh, geez. Oh, dear. Oh, my God.
00:21:00.82
Ross
It's like CGI, like 90s CGI.
00:21:02.70
Steve
That is. Oh, I don't even know where to start that creed. They've squashed it. They've narrowed it. So that's basically not too dissimilar from the queen font.
00:21:14.90
Steve
Well, one of the queen font, but it's like, but why have in that kind of majestic sort of role, but they squashed it.
00:21:16.62
Ross
ah so
00:21:20.88
Ross
yeah
00:21:21.84
Steve
do it. What year was this?
00:21:24.57
Ross
1999.
00:21:27.14
Steve
See Photoshop when it was in its very early stages I don't think.
00:21:29.53
Ross
Yeah.
00:21:29.95
Steve
But then just don't use that.
00:21:32.02
Ross
That artwork, that artwork is in 20 million homes because it sold 20 million copies.
00:21:32.08
Steve
Don't use old methods, use photography.
00:21:36.82
Steve
Oh my god. Look at that drop shadow on human clay. Oh God, I feel sick. I feel nauseous. I've never seen this before in my life and I never want to see it again. It's like, um, it tell you what it looks like.
00:21:49.69
Steve
It looks like when you get, so sometimes like when you kind of get like a new app and it's like for doing like some design stuff or or whatever, and you were putting some things together, like when you first get Pixar or something, this is what it looks like when you just, when you don't really know out the app that well, and you just put together a load of random stuff.
00:22:04.73
Ross
right
00:22:07.13
Steve
and put a font in and just say a random word and you just put some stuff together.
00:22:07.90
Ross
ah something
00:22:10.33
Steve
Like its that's what this looks like. It looks like an experiment when you don't know the software, but good on him.
00:22:12.67
Ross
Yeah.
00:22:15.11
Ross
20 million coffees.
00:22:15.72
Steve
Whoever did it.
00:22:17.00
Ross
Don't worry about it.
00:22:17.48
Steve
Yeah. Well, well, that's a, that's a success, isn't it?
00:22:20.65
Ross
Yeah.
00:22:20.76
Steve
I mean, what, what does it matter what I think? But yeah, wonder what that fella's name is. What's his name? I bet he's got a name.
00:22:27.10
Ross
mr. clay a so you up yeah yeah yeah the big in Europe you know who did the artwork Marc Tremonti's brother yeah
00:22:27.87
Steve
Mr. Oh, Mr. Clay. There he is. Oh, well, it was lovely to meet him. Yeah. 20 million homes. would ever make yeah Were they ever big over here?
00:22:40.16
Steve
Clay, uh, Creed.
00:22:45.54
Steve
Oh, we all got to keep it in the family, aren't you? This is easy.
00:22:48.46
Ross
The album cover represents the crossroad which every man finds himself in his life and the man of clay represented our actions that what we are is up to us that we lead our own path and make our own destiny.
00:22:50.68
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:00.91
Steve
yeah Well, that's not bad, is it? But it's just like, wait, it's done. But then it was 1999. Jeez. I bet it ran that time. I was coming out with. I didn't even know how to use Photoshop then, so am I to talk about it.
00:23:10.43
Ross
It must take us long to render.
00:23:13.28
Steve
But that's like that's the era when I didn't know how to use it, but I did know when I if um were when i was at um art school then, and when I was doing my degree, so I needed some help with some Photoshop stuff, because I was cutting things up with um magazines doing college stuff, so I managed to avoid it all.
00:23:15.39
Ross
Yeah.
00:23:27.85
Ross
right
00:23:30.79
Ross
right all right
00:23:33.53
Steve
but um I remember that was the era when Photoshop, if you wanted to put text on a layout, you had to commit it and you couldn't change it. You couldn't move it around.
00:23:43.45
Ross
oh
00:23:43.83
Steve
So you had to commit and and it but and it was basically like tattooing it onto your design.
00:23:47.47
Ross
my god and he's like yeah yeah do you want to start again yeah
00:23:48.23
Steve
So that's maybe, so it might've been accidentally squashed that crude logo and they're like, it's done. You can't do nothing about it. So yeah, you got to sit in the context of the times. It's a beautiful piece of artwork in that case.
00:24:00.18
Steve
Well done, everyone. Well done, Mr. Clay.
00:24:03.69
Steve
Yeah. Nice.
00:24:04.31
Ross
So anyway, well, so anyway, so the people that listen to that music.
00:24:05.05
Steve
Anyway, back to Wolfies, back to wall fee but to the Wolfie show.
00:24:10.79
Ross
Listen to.
00:24:12.57
Steve
Right.
00:24:13.37
Ross
Mammoth Wolfgang Van Halen. Now.
00:24:15.38
Steve
So that's what they were all crowd around the balcony.
00:24:17.42
Ross
They were. And they, and it's an old, it was a crowd that liked the personal space. I always remember many moons ago. And, uh, listens, you are talking to me and talking about, and talking about Van Halen.
00:24:30.61
Ross
This is a loose episode. Listen.
00:24:32.25
Steve
Yeah, I like this. This is like a kind of, um, but it's, it's, ah's it's a one-off we never, because there's not many opportunities to see a Van Halen related gig.
00:24:34.61
Ross
The night time should be... No.
00:24:42.02
Ross
Corrects.
00:24:42.17
Steve
These in, especially in Britain, even in the, heyday even even in their heyday, they wouldn't have come over.
00:24:42.80
Ross
Sami Hennigar's not coming over. They really look like I'm over. Yeah.
00:24:47.31
Steve
So it's still, it would have been a rarity in the nineties or in the eighties.
00:24:47.69
Ross
No.
00:24:50.10
Ross
Totally. Totally.
00:24:50.96
Steve
So, um, so yeah, this is like a Lucy goosey episode and I'm here for it.
00:24:54.03
Ross
Yeah, so I always remember I used to work at a music venue in London called the Luminaire. a It was in Kilburn.
00:24:59.74
Steve
Where's that?
00:25:02.37
Steve
Yeah, I've heard of that.
00:25:03.06
Ross
Timeouts for any of the year 2006 and 2007.
00:25:04.71
Steve
Yeah, we might have been there.
00:25:06.29
Ross
Anyway, um who's two thousand and five and so who's checking doesn't make this anymore? Anyway, when it was so always really interesting, depending on the crowd, how much space there was.
00:25:19.59
Steve
Right.
00:25:20.24
Ross
You'd book a young, cool indie band. or young people.
00:25:26.38
Steve
Yeah, right.
00:25:27.66
Ross
You could walk around like they would all be squished in at the front and you'd be able to walk around and yeah, all squished in and wanted to dance and be in the pit and you'd be able to walk around the bayard at easy.
00:25:31.46
Steve
Oh, like they've got a away way of assembling themselves, like.
00:25:42.02
Ross
You get a sold out and that could be sold out. Same number of humans. Forget the number is that 250 could hold for like a alternative country.
00:25:50.03
Steve
Right.
00:25:53.31
Ross
Americana people in their 40s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Packed couldn't move.
00:26:00.65
Steve
Right.
00:26:01.09
Ross
And that was what we had. It is an academy.
00:26:02.98
Steve
Right. Yes. Yeah. So you could see it from like sort of the body language point of view in a way.
00:26:06.70
Ross
So I was like, if you all, if everyone just took one step forward, We have so much more space.
00:26:13.62
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So it's like, don't so squash me.
00:26:16.69
Ross
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that.
00:26:17.98
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:18.84
Ross
Elbows out. um This is my space.
00:26:21.03
Steve
This is my space.
00:26:22.46
Ross
I'm here and I've been here, but I've watched the support act.
00:26:23.92
Steve
Yeah. It's like so and so doing star jumps and putting their arms out and just going, that's my field.
00:26:27.07
Ross
Yeah. I always think it's funny when people get mad at a standing gig. It's like, bro, standing.
00:26:33.13
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:33.17
Ross
You don't, your ticket gets you in. It doesn't grant you access to where you are. Like it's just here.
00:26:37.72
Steve
I don't think I've ever been to a gig where nobody, there hasn't been one person who hasn't annoyed me.
00:26:38.14
Ross
And then.
00:26:43.47
Ross
Oh, every time.
00:26:44.46
Steve
It's just, it's just even, and even if you've got, you know, if, you if the circumstances mean you got to sit, there's always someone nearby who's just annoying.
00:26:52.12
Ross
Oh, yeah.
00:26:53.80
Steve
I mean, God, maybe I'm that person with some people, but I feel like I've got good etiquette.
00:26:57.02
Ross
Oh, you know.
00:26:57.95
Steve
I mean, the only, my only problem is I'm tall. So I just get in people's way.
00:27:00.36
Ross
um But the thing is, you're aware of it. And what I will will say is you did, you you allowed me, ah a man not as tall, to stand in kind of front of you.
00:27:08.76
Steve
Yeah, you good protocol, good etiquette.
00:27:11.23
Ross
you know So look, I can see here. Can you see? I thought, yeah.
00:27:13.95
Steve
Thank you.
00:27:14.34
Ross
We tried to sneak into the VIP area, unbeknownst to us.
00:27:17.88
Steve
It was like Wayne and Garth in um and trying to see what ah Alice Cooper.
00:27:19.33
Ross
We were like, there's loads of room down here. Should we just go here?
00:27:23.17
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:23.20
Ross
Excuse me. Yes. Oh, this is, do you have a badge?
00:27:27.92
Steve
so yeah
00:27:28.29
Ross
I should have gone, I know, but I've got a fucking massive knife, mate. So what are you going to do about it?
00:27:32.05
Steve
Yeah. And we are, um, um, the most, we are Iceland's 67th most popular Van Halen ah podcast.
00:27:37.41
Ross
Yeah. Excuse me. Is there anybody else podcasting here tonight? Don't think so. Well, yeah, go.
00:27:44.29
Steve
We should have said, do you know who we are?
00:27:46.23
Ross
Yeah. Open your phone right now.
00:27:48.03
Steve
Yeah.
00:27:48.29
Ross
Open your phone right now.
00:27:49.09
Steve
however you
00:27:50.17
Ross
Go to the podcast app. Okay. Search Van Halen. No, not that one.
00:27:54.79
Steve
no
00:27:55.39
Ross
ah down
00:27:57.06
Steve
it so though No, not that one.
00:27:58.74
Ross
and
00:27:59.49
Steve
No, that was more popular.
00:27:59.94
Ross
that one where that one yeah to note for three not actually don't search around here and search ain't talking but yes it's it's talking T-A-L-K I'm not allowed in okay oh yeah have you got air drop on?
00:28:01.03
Steve
Yeah, the one about like the one where you have to scroll like 10 scrolls down. That's us.
00:28:10.53
Steve
That's apostrophe.
00:28:19.22
Steve
What we should have done, we should have cut and pasted it so it was ready to just put on. Yeah, wouldn't it?
00:28:23.92
Ross
have you got air drop on? which one is your phone?
00:28:26.27
Steve
Well, we know that. We know for next time, don't we? Yeah, we did. We properly tried, didn't we?
00:28:31.31
Ross
yeah not well yeah and then they were just like you're not allowed in this bit and one point i lost my footing do you remember that and it wasn't even because i'd had too many shandy basses fell on the floor like it was weird to try and crowd surf with three people next to a balcony
00:28:32.78
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. ah Sorry to have trouble, Gio. I'm really sorry. Thank you. for Thank you for listening.
00:28:44.73
Steve
Oh, yeah. You knew you went over the balcony. I think, I feel like I caught you and I saved your life technically. Yeah, you were just rocking too hard.
00:28:57.21
Steve
On a balcony, yeah.
00:28:58.75
Ross
ah
00:28:58.85
Steve
But you know, four full props to you for trying it.
00:29:00.69
Ross
I'm trying to be like, uh, what's the name of Pearl Jam?
00:29:04.13
Steve
He sounded a bit like that clip you played, I thought your man sounded like an affected Eddie Vedder.
00:29:06.24
Ross
Yeah.
00:29:10.82
Ross
Very much so.
00:29:11.78
Steve
Yeah, okay.
00:29:12.33
Ross
That's definitely the vibe. but
00:29:13.55
Steve
That's something I thought about saying after, but then I completely forgot until now. And the moment's gone, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
00:29:17.83
Ross
So anyway, but yeah, that's, that was a crowd of people that like, I remember somebody saying to me, modern
00:29:19.15
Steve
um
00:29:26.75
Ross
pardon of me, modern rock numbers in terms of sales is like at the same level as like jazz in terms of the numbers.
00:29:34.54
Steve
Oh, really? So he's got his, he's got his audience.
00:29:38.38
Ross
It's and it's got a core audience, but it's neat.
00:29:41.37
Steve
hardcore enough to keep it going. like
00:29:43.29
Ross
Yeah, but not, but the thing that I suppose as a society is that we Oh, not society.
00:29:53.20
Steve
Yeah, I was but was like, oh, well, where's this going?
00:29:55.22
Ross
This guy, this guy, it sounds like, you know, this guy.
00:29:56.76
Steve
This sounds good.
00:29:57.39
Ross
No, but like we still expect like Rock Band to be as big as Guns N' Roses or as big as Van Halen or, you know, like hugh these huge Joy N' Armor Stadium acts.
00:30:01.78
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:05.02
Ross
But they don't, that doesn't happen anymore.
00:30:07.69
Steve
No, it doesn't. And both the ones who do do that are, were established like 20 years ago or a bit more.
00:30:11.12
Ross
We're established, with yes, with like the big ones are legacy acts. So like Wolfie was opening for Guns N' Roses.
00:30:14.11
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:17.39
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:17.58
Ross
That's why he was in Europe.
00:30:18.09
Steve
Yeah. And Foo Fighters.
00:30:19.87
Ross
And Foos.
00:30:19.93
Steve
Oh, oh, okay. Yeah.
00:30:21.49
Ross
But yeah, so like, but that's why he was on tour.
00:30:21.59
Steve
Yeah.
00:30:23.06
Ross
Like he was, those three shows were off the back of, or no, he was open for Metallica.
00:30:23.87
Steve
Oh, I see.
00:30:28.25
Steve
Wow.
00:30:28.49
Ross
It was Metallica. So like, you know, so that's kind of, there's, he's playing in front of these heritage rock fans. people have listened to Metallica for 40 years, 50 years or whatever the fuck.
00:30:40.96
Ross
And then so they that so you paid play to a stadium of like, I don't know, 50,000 people, then you just about sell out a 300 capacity venue. two mean and Yeah.
00:30:51.33
Steve
Cause yeah, it's mad, innit? Yeah, the way things are.
00:30:53.07
Ross
yeah
00:30:53.58
Steve
Whereas if this is this was like, what? When Rock was at his heyday, like 30 years ago, whatever, he would probably be, he would be doing arenas probably, wouldn't he?
00:30:58.23
Ross
These early 90s. Yeah, exactly. For sure. and And so I think that's just kind of a, it's a sign of the times.
00:31:04.82
Steve
Sign of the times.
00:31:06.69
Ross
Yeah.
00:31:08.21
Steve
The through no fault of anyone's out, apart from just the way things have gone, innit?
00:31:09.22
Ross
No, it just is the the way the cookie crumbles. Yeah.
00:31:12.25
Steve
It's a shame though, innit? Because I mean, everyone's, but everyone everyone's been saying Rock and Roll has been dead for like, well, I remember people saying that in 2002, which is like,
00:31:14.71
Ross
yeah If you love it.
00:31:21.15
Steve
ah long time ago and it's just like it's still like hanging on in it and long long may it rain yeah yeah it was great show and just to point out as well we did manage to get as um when we went that top balcony it was a bit like ram well
00:31:23.80
Ross
Yeah. Yeah, totally. I guess the thing is, it's not like particularly innovative. Like look, and and so ah to the show, you know, we play for two hours, Wolfie. It was a good show.
00:31:45.12
Steve
but that balcony bit like two three well four people deep we couldn't really get a look in and i would say what like third or fourth song it started to open up and then we both you managed to sort of get a bit forward and get on the balcony and we did matter and it was i remember it was like song five or something it's like oh there he is because before then even on tippy toes i couldn't really see and i had to put my phone up
00:31:49.08
Ross
Yeah.
00:32:07.30
Steve
to record a bit just because I thought i i rather than being that annoying person I was like well I'm recording some stuff so we can maybe play here or whatever you know on the on the show and stuff but it was also just sort of like I don't I was kind of envisioning like the whole like two hours not seeing him at all so I was doing that like a periscope out of the submarine to see what the view was so then I was just like looking up at the screen going oh there he is there he is okay and um that might be the only view I get but yeah we managed to see him didn't we and he did he did really well it was a great show wasn't it
00:32:07.43
Ross
Yeah.
00:32:11.00
Ross
Yes.
00:32:27.62
Ross
and i
00:32:32.37
Ross
So when he was, you know, his hair was looking long.
00:32:37.55
Steve
His hair was looking nicely long. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that. and um And he had a good band, I thought.
00:32:42.33
Ross
A band are members of.
00:32:43.45
Steve
I don't really know much about the band. Do you know much about the band?
00:32:48.40
Ross
Some of that altar bridge lot.
00:32:48.93
Steve
Creed.
00:32:50.63
Ross
la I think the drummer plays with altar bridge.
00:32:50.95
Steve
Oh.
00:32:55.90
Ross
one of them was like session. Yes, they're all it's really because he's from L.A.
00:32:58.79
Steve
Yeah, dude.
00:32:59.48
Ross
and these guys are all like from Florida.
00:33:01.53
Steve
Oh, okay.
00:33:03.58
Ross
um So, yeah, there's a sick band.
00:33:05.32
Steve
Maybe they met on Facebook.
00:33:06.70
Ross
Yeah, maybe.
00:33:08.34
Steve
You never know, do you?
00:33:09.62
Ross
What do what group do you think they're in?
00:33:09.64
Steve
Or maybe there's, uh, what, what, who?
00:33:14.28
Ross
Group, like how do you think they found Facebook like what like Facebook group?
00:33:17.33
Steve
Oh, oh, I thought you meant what I was going to say.
00:33:17.79
Ross
and
00:33:19.54
Steve
Or a bridge. I got confused. Sorry.
00:33:22.26
Ross
Well, fans, all abridged.
00:33:23.18
Steve
Oh, yes, probably. I reckon this, um, do people have, like, I would have, cause you know, like, remember, like, when you see like documentaries about old bands, like, you know, uh, well even like Queen and stuff in like, um, uh, what's it called?
00:33:36.17
Ross
Oh, like, how does that put an ad out there?
00:33:37.01
Steve
ah bla bla Yeah, bla Black Sabbath, putting ads on it.
00:33:38.81
Ross
Well, we got Pete and Jimmy on Gumtree.
00:33:41.00
Steve
Yeah, Gumtree, yeah. So, and it used to be like adverts in NME and stuff.
00:33:42.99
Ross
What are we just looking for?
00:33:44.71
Steve
So yeah, Gumtree. So what's the, is the new thing like, it's probably WhatsApp groups for this now, isn't there?
00:33:47.63
Ross
We're looking for musicians. Oh, yeah, Telegram, if you're on the dark web.
00:33:54.64
Steve
Oh, I thought thought you meant like things they used in the 1900s, telegrams.
00:33:57.05
Ross
Oh, yeah.
00:33:59.30
Steve
And then you go a bit before you get carrier pigeons.
00:33:59.35
Ross
Oh, no, he signed the Vaya Barbershop Quartet. Yeah, that's how he did it.
00:34:02.83
Steve
Yeah, to sound like the Beach Boys.
00:34:05.56
Ross
yeah da da da Yeah, they, uh, from Florida.
00:34:06.40
Steve
ah Beautiful. So, so we should give a little, um, yeah, we should give a bit of a review.
00:34:13.03
Ross
Yeah.
00:34:14.16
Steve
Shouldn't we about the show? Oh, at oh shit. We should get the set list up.
00:34:17.64
Ross
I've got the set list.
00:34:18.05
Steve
Oh, well done, mate. Honestly, you really are a great organizer of this podcast.
00:34:23.50
Ross
Mammoth Wolfgang WVH set list, July 9th, 2024 start time 909 PM, 2100 hours.
00:34:31.15
Steve
So we probably got there about, I don't know, quarter two, do you reckon 10 two?
00:34:33.22
Ross
8, 15, 7, no I think we were pretty tight yeah so they played he played 15 songs open with mammoth then right the Mr.
00:34:36.63
Steve
Oh, we're away. Oh, yeah. We probably were there with 30 seconds. When we saw the, that, that kid, the big crowd, we we we were like, let's go upstairs. That was probably with 30 seconds to before stage time. Yeah. Hmm.
00:34:57.82
Ross
Ed and I think he but he bashed through them he didn't do a lot of stage patter
00:35:00.54
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. You did a little bit, didn't he? Did a bit of introduction.
00:35:03.53
Ross
yeah intro the band very nice young one yeah you you nice punk man yeah he did he played distance which i found very poignant on the night
00:35:05.84
Steve
He comes across as very sweet, doesn't he? Nice chap. Yeah, like really sweet. And he was just like, yeah, it was, that was, he was, he was, he seemed like really nice. I mean, obviously I've seen him talk before and stuff, but it was like, oh yeah, you know, he's he's there. He's having a good time and yeah, really nice chap.
00:35:24.10
Steve
Of course, of course. Yeah. That was, um, yeah, that felt, that was like a special little thing, wasn't it? To see that, that special moment.
00:35:30.65
Ross
a
00:35:31.70
Steve
I mean, like to see that live, isn't it?
00:35:32.42
Ross
Yeah, and I listened. That's the one song I came back to a a few days. I you know get caught i not listened to it in my head and was enjoying and pastime as well.
00:35:38.07
Steve
Yeah.
00:35:39.67
Ross
like I like that. um Or like a pastime. But yeah, he played. I can't. Yeah, those are the ones that kind of stuck out to me rather than and then he did an encore, i didn't he? Two songs.
00:35:50.30
Steve
Yeah.
00:35:50.68
Ross
I don't play an encore. What are your thoughts on encores?
00:35:53.28
Steve
i find oncright I find encores really weird. I don't mind them but I just find how it stretches from like weird vaudeville acts
00:36:03.22
Ross
Mm.
00:36:03.83
Steve
when Vaudeville acts, I believe this is how it goes, you know, so in Music Hall, in like the 1800s or whatever, people would come on and juggle, or they would do like us some sort of like, you know, comedian or whatever, and that was a song that wrote with a banjo.
00:36:09.34
Ross
Yep.
00:36:13.24
Ross
Show that plot. Yeah.
00:36:17.17
Steve
I'm cleaning my windows.
00:36:17.18
Ross
When I'm cleaning windows. That's what you sounded like when this morning, before the podcast recorded.
00:36:19.11
Steve
And then they.
00:36:22.64
Steve
Yeah, exactly. I pitched.
00:36:25.12
Ross
Yeah.
00:36:25.25
Steve
I pitched when I'm trying to when I'm trying to broadcast.
00:36:28.52
Ross
Brat chuckle.
00:36:29.81
Steve
And yeah, I sounded like Brett Tuggle.
00:36:32.22
Ross
Yeah, he said so. He's a wonderful tuggle.
00:36:33.83
Steve
and then And then people would go off, and it's all like a charade, isn't it? And they'd go, and you clap.
00:36:38.89
Ross
Well then, back then, it was, it was purely was.
00:36:39.14
Steve
I was like, oh, we want more. But how that...
00:36:42.19
Ross
I was like, I like that.
00:36:43.34
Steve
I want more.
00:36:44.01
Ross
I want to hear it again.
00:36:45.07
Steve
But how it extends from like, for I started in like music hall or whatever, and now it's now gone into like acts like Metallica doing it.
00:36:52.92
Ross
talk you and Yeah.
00:36:53.44
Steve
And when everyone does it, you know, Swiftie, I'm sure she does it, but like, it's just this thing which is, I just find it weird.
00:36:56.25
Ross
Yeah. Oh yeah.
00:37:01.43
Ross
It's still...
00:37:01.47
Steve
It's a weird, it's a weird, um, It's a weird process. It's a weird, what, not past time. What's the weird? Custom. It's a, it's a weird show business.
00:37:08.58
Ross
Yeah, it's like a tradition that we have.
00:37:10.36
Steve
It's it's a show business custom that trav is traversed the eras and the genres. Ooh, that was good.
00:37:15.39
Ross
Comedians, their own course is even weirder.
00:37:18.10
Steve
Comedians. Yeah. Comedians doing it is so weird.
00:37:19.80
Ross
Yeah, they come back out and tell more jokes.
00:37:21.92
Steve
I quite like it when they go, I was going to come back on anyway.
00:37:24.92
Ross
Yeah.
00:37:25.24
Steve
You know, that's sort of like, cause they're acknowledging the weirdness of it.
00:37:25.73
Ross
Well, my favorite. I've seen, I think there's been two bands, I'm trying to think, two bands that have actively called out, ah we're not going to do an encore.
00:37:40.40
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:41.92
Ross
And basically we said that there's a band called McCluskey.
00:37:41.99
Steve
Who's that?
00:37:45.67
Ross
who are a rock band from Wales originally, but they're not all Welsh. Anyway, they're an amazing band, three piece kind of post-punk, rocky, kind of noisy, very cool.
00:37:58.94
Ross
Like the the antithesis of this.
00:38:01.17
Steve
Nice. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:02.17
Ross
um Anyway, they would be like, look, this is our last song.
00:38:02.30
Steve
Nice.
00:38:07.10
Ross
Or it's like, we're going to play two more songs. We're not doing any more songs.
00:38:10.53
Steve
Yeah.
00:38:10.95
Ross
We haven't got any more songs to play. This is it.
00:38:12.67
Steve
Yeah. I like that.
00:38:14.43
Ross
And I liked that, because I was like, oh.
00:38:15.19
Steve
I like it when it's acknowledged in.
00:38:16.59
Ross
And it's so forced now, as well, because people are like, nah.
00:38:20.98
Steve
Yeah.
00:38:21.47
Ross
And especially if it's not been the best gig ever, or they've already played the big hits, you're like, yeah, I don't actually.
00:38:23.52
Steve
Yo, yeah. s ah There's sometimes you say it on like um when they play.
00:38:28.07
Ross
What are they? And you start going, why?
00:38:31.63
Steve
um when you see like the big axe at Glasto on the telly and then they'll go off and then there's a bit of an applause because of the previous one but then it kind of goes into like a bit of a deathly silent and it's like when you've got like how many people are like at the main yeah how many people at the pyramid stage how many people are watching that many many hundreds of thousands or whatever and it's like and it just all goes people are off like saying oh I could do with a tinkle now or should we go to the bar yeah no one's still going yeah that was great
00:38:35.76
Ross
Yeah. Yeah. Hit lols. Yeah. And then you have a second wave of like, yeah, hundreds of stuff. Yeah. Tens of thousands of people.
00:38:56.38
Ross
you Like cans, cans open.
00:39:00.49
Ross
Yeah. It's like, yeah. It's like, oh, can you do that?
00:39:03.01
Steve
So, um, I find it a bit, um, uncomfortable.
00:39:05.75
Ross
Or the, I would say like, look, I'm going to come back, but I'm desperate for a piss.
00:39:09.42
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:09.78
Ross
Yeah. Tell me that.
00:39:10.82
Steve
This is a, yeah.
00:39:11.15
Ross
I don't have the countdown.
00:39:13.21
Steve
Or these shoes, these winkle pickers are really hurting me now.
00:39:14.99
Ross
Yeah, they're robbing and I'll tell you what, I've put on the little plaster thing on the heel, but it's it's not working.
00:39:20.19
Steve
It's not working.
00:39:21.54
Ross
So I'll be back in a second.
00:39:22.47
Steve
Yeah. Bunions are being created before our very eyes.
00:39:24.34
Ross
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:25.73
Steve
Um, yeah, like, all right.
00:39:26.21
Ross
but use the numbers ah Yeah.
00:39:27.81
Steve
Or I just need a beer.
00:39:29.59
Ross
That's just fancier.
00:39:30.63
Steve
Yeah. Or I just gotta to go and check on my rider, make sure no one's nipped me biscuits.
00:39:34.11
Ross
Yeah, exactly.
00:39:35.64
Steve
Many, many reasons.
00:39:35.67
Ross
Yeah. I really can't do a cream cracker.
00:39:36.48
Steve
God, now I'm like all for it.
00:39:39.27
Ross
So can you just hold on?
00:39:40.29
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:41.11
Ross
Anyway, he did an encore.
00:39:44.11
Steve
He did do an encore.
00:39:45.61
Ross
Yeah.
00:39:46.30
Steve
um Yeah, good. I mean, I just, I remember it. Yeah, I was like, I thought it was really good and he played really well and he...
00:39:50.84
Ross
Sound great. So a couple of things i'd I took note of.
00:39:54.61
Steve
Oh, okay, well done. See, you can see I was like, I was running on fumes then. And so I was like, I remembered it, but I didn't remember it in much detail to carry on.
00:40:01.78
Ross
So from the top. one thing that i thought was funny and again as a modern rock phenomenon phenomenon phenomenon he used a triggered kick live yeah
00:40:12.01
Steve
phenomenon so this was great because at the very end of the gig didn't we we went down when everyone went and we lingered a bit and Ross was like let's go down to stage and check out the kit and it's like because then we and it's like that's such a great idea because because you can sort of like talk about it now and stuff where it's like well I look at the kit and I just go o look there's a speaker oh look there's a guitar but you know what it actually what they used and stuff that was really good yeah
00:40:28.50
Ross
yeah it was cool so yes it was like a good yeah
00:40:39.09
Ross
i like that yeah he so he's three guitarists so he had one guitarist playing on so there's there's three the 5150 head that you can buy the guitar amp head
00:40:53.27
Steve
Oh yeah, because we saw a lot of the um the family merch, and not merch, what the family kit.
00:40:54.71
Ross
speaker Yeah, yeah oh they're all um all on them. So one of them was on this 5150 Standard. One of them was on the 5150 Stealth, which is the final one that um Eddie but played on the final tour and stuff. It's like all black.
00:41:12.72
Ross
And then one of them was on a 5150 EL34, which is supposed to kind of emulate the early Marshall tone that you had, like the Brown sound, which is like an OG Van Halen tone.
00:41:25.16
Steve
Right, right.
00:41:25.52
Ross
It really does that, but it's got different valves in it, basically. So it gives a different tone. And they all had one of each, which I quite liked. So it was like, here's the amperine.
00:41:35.60
Ross
It was like the catalog photo on stage.
00:41:36.19
Steve
Oh, I was. so Oh, there should be like a sell price above each one.
00:41:38.44
Ross
It was like, here's the three.
00:41:43.01
Ross
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:43.77
Steve
Yeah. of Or a vape where you can buy it available at evh dot.com.
00:41:45.99
Ross
Maybe it's weird.com. Head over, put your order in. Yeah. So he had one of each. So it was like, these are the three types, three different models we sell.
00:41:53.19
Steve
And did that mean that like, obviously that meant that each guitarist, I had a different sound because of the, and um does that mean it's not as loud?
00:41:58.85
Ross
yeah so it was is cool so it was like i think and i think um i think they're all playing the 50 watt version not the 100 watt version which again i oh it's not yeah theoretically i mean they're fucking like i have a 50 watt no total i have a 15 watt head i used to have a 50 watt and i also had a 100 watt for a minute and the 100 watt head is
00:42:09.45
Steve
What does that mean?
00:42:13.11
Steve
Yeah.
00:42:26.46
Ross
you don't need anyway p modern pa's are so are so good now you don't need you can go and say you're like a one watt amp in my kit and it will sound amazing because i'll go through the pa the 100 watt heads like for the old days when there wasn't that and it was like you didn't need to mic up the guitar amp but everyone mics up amps now so it doesn't matter so it's purely for show so like the final van halen tour they had like the whole
00:42:33.90
Steve
Oh, okay.
00:42:51.04
Ross
Like the whole back grow is all 5150 amps, like rows of them. There might've been like, you know, 15 double stacks. So for four, four speakers, four by 12 speakers, double stack with a head.
00:42:59.39
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:03.29
Ross
I think only two were turned on, but one in a backup.
00:43:05.33
Steve
Oh, really? So it's more of a show.
00:43:07.98
Ross
Yeah, it's totally for show.
00:43:09.06
Steve
So when you say like the microphone goes next to, does that mean like what?
00:43:09.24
Ross
And it goes to the speaker next to the speaker.
00:43:11.94
Steve
the so So it goes right next to it.
00:43:14.59
Ross
Yeah.
00:43:14.63
Steve
Did you not get feedback? I mean, this is right.
00:43:15.97
Ross
No, when you're that close to your speaker positioning, so you wouldn't. So again, it's all about, you mic up the speaker and then obviously the PA is far away, but you would get, that's, that's the juggle of when people say, Oh, I need more guitar on my monitors.
00:43:19.38
Steve
Okay.
00:43:28.07
Ross
And then it starts to feed back. It's because of the physics, but like we had at the start of the show, when I started at Barry Manilow, the different frequencies are too close to each other.
00:43:34.26
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:35.96
Ross
They're feeding back.
00:43:37.22
Steve
And that's why the tech guys are so good at what they do because he's.
00:43:39.29
Ross
But yeah, he had, that was the other thing that he's all about is he has so many roadies, but that's how you know.
00:43:48.11
Steve
I like, I, well, people are doing how many.
00:43:49.75
Ross
not even that because he's running at a colossal loss he did not make enough money at that gig to pay all those people because his band is him so
00:43:54.13
Steve
Right. Right.
00:44:03.88
Steve
Yeah, well, it's like ah Dave Grohl, he doesn't really need anyone else in the studio. It's live, isn't it? You need people.
00:44:08.22
Ross
Right. But Dave Grohl plays London stadium, which is like for three nights, which is like 60,000 seats at a hundred quid a ticket versus one night.
00:44:14.71
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:18.74
Ross
For 300 people and 40 quid a ticket, like the economy of scale, that doesn't add up. Right. So like I,
00:44:23.17
Steve
But then maybe like supporting, because he's been doing support in all those big bands, doesn't that subsidize him sort of doing that, his own gigs?
00:44:32.22
Ross
again, I don't want to speak out.
00:44:32.98
Steve
like I've got no idea.
00:44:34.03
Ross
I would say that's coming out of the Van Halen.
00:44:37.28
Steve
Right.
00:44:38.60
Ross
piggy bank because there's no way that he's making that much money to to quantify having and all of that.
00:44:39.52
Steve
Oh, okay.
00:44:42.45
Steve
Right.
00:44:46.37
Steve
Kit and staff, like.
00:44:48.34
Ross
They're having this stuff because all they're all they're all session musicians. They're not in the band. So they're all like hired guns.
00:44:53.40
Steve
Oh, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:55.88
Ross
So it's like it's not even like, you know, a cheat meat like we would do a show.
00:45:02.02
Ross
And then. See, it would have had a front. house He had like a front of house person monitor person. And then he had like drum tech, guitar tech, basically had like five or six staff.
00:45:13.96
Ross
It was nuts.
00:45:15.34
Steve
Wow. So if you have like ah like ah um another band who like maybe maybe more of a local band who didn't really have sort of maybe, you know, those sort of resources and stuff, how would they do that sort of setup at that ah venue?
00:45:15.87
Ross
It's huge.
00:45:20.71
Ross
Yeah.
00:45:27.34
Ross
Yeah.
00:45:31.19
Ross
Well, the venue would have a front of house, the venue would provide somebody to do the front of house and to do the monitors.
00:45:32.28
Steve
yeah thing yeah
00:45:36.32
Ross
Usually they'll be like an in-house person.
00:45:37.66
Steve
Right, okay.
00:45:39.33
Ross
See, you know, for like a band of our, you know, the biggest shows we did.
00:45:45.79
Steve
Did you play there?
00:45:46.80
Ross
We didn't play there, but we would probably be support for one of those shows. But even when we'd open, like, so if we toured with a band, to like we'd tour with Decade, who were like a signed to Universal and signed to a major label and stuff.
00:46:00.57
Ross
And so they would have had what's called tour support. The tour support is a thing you get in your contract, which is like, we will give you extra money to go on tour to subsidize the loss you were making.
00:46:06.69
Steve
Okay.
00:46:11.61
Steve
Right, and that comes from the record company like,
00:46:13.49
Ross
Yeah. And then you have to pay it back. It's just and's another loan, but it's, so like they would have that and that would allow them to have like a driver and a front of house person, or maybe they'd be the same person do themselves.
00:46:15.97
Steve
Yeah.
00:46:26.40
Steve
But regards to putting all their kit and testing it or like, you know, like they do it themselves. Right. Right.
00:46:32.41
Ross
Yeah. And you'd see that. Oh, and if you don't see that, you know, it's like, that's why it was so crazy. Like that gig afterwards, like the amount of people tearing down, I was like, me, there's.
00:46:39.41
Steve
Yeah.
00:46:43.19
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, see for me looking at.
00:46:44.17
Ross
All these people are like 40, 50, 60 grand salaries.
00:46:47.55
Steve
Yeah. See, when I looked at it, I was just like, Oh, you know, but like when to talking to you, I found that very interesting and very enlightening. Cause it's like, Oh yeah, that makes much more sense when you sort of said that, but no, no, no.
00:46:54.07
Ross
you matt um like um it's not It's not a criticism. It's just an observation.
00:46:58.47
Steve
Yes. I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have known that.
00:46:59.33
Ross
If I had the money to do it, why would I, why would I wouldn't want to do any of that? But like, you know, I had to, because we're already hemorrhaging money just playing.
00:47:03.67
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:07.38
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:08.28
Ross
So, you know, it's always kind of eye opening to be like, you know,
00:47:11.01
Steve
Well, that's of course.
00:47:13.22
Ross
That's how it used to be, but that's, you know, the reality of that is it costs a fuckload of money to do that.
00:47:17.66
Steve
yeah well it's nice to it's nice to sort of you know see yeah you know like um an act a rock act sort of being able to do that stuff isn't it rather than because there's so many like budget cuts on god and everything isn't there in in the in the arts so it's yeah yeah it did sound amazing it was great sound wasn't it
00:47:24.34
Ross
Yeah. Yeah, totally.
00:47:32.85
Ross
For sure. And that's why it sounded amazing. Don't get me wrong, it sounded great. It sounded great. I love that he plays guitar. So the they all use the blue the blue channel.
00:47:44.39
Ross
So on a 5150, there's three channels. Green is clean, blue is like the crunch, and red is like overdrive.
00:47:52.95
Steve
Oh, that's good.
00:47:53.24
Ross
And the blue the blue channel is is like the Van Halen tone. You use the red one for guitar solos.
00:47:58.67
Steve
That's nice. It's like shorthand to use colors. It does. Not everyone does that.
00:48:02.76
Ross
Yeah. No, no, no. but That's very much like a 51 50 thing, I think.
00:48:04.55
Steve
That was really nice. ah
00:48:06.91
Ross
But yeah. And that's like, that is the tone. It's like, you know, that plus of Wolfgang or just humbuckers is like instant Van Halen. Like it sounds amazing.
00:48:14.84
Steve
And there was a couple of times he did, I mean, he did like many guitar solos and they were great. It was, and that was out
00:48:19.62
Ross
that what I love is like, he plays guitar like his dad, like that is like.
00:48:22.21
Steve
yeah and it was funny because there was a couple of times to see it and it's like oh my god he's like was like talking like i was patting him on the shoulder going he's doing it he's
00:48:27.79
Ross
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:30.67
Ross
Yeah and it's yeah I think we talked about after is like just silly things like ah thought I've never talked about it on here before so like watching him play live the way he the the techniques he do he does are the same as like his dad did about even Helen did which if you were learning guitar ergonomically don't make sense
00:48:52.16
Steve
doing Right, yes.
00:48:53.86
Ross
It's just the way he learned how to do it.
00:48:55.53
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:55.62
Ross
So it's funny to see, you know, it's like, you know, well, you came from this person. So like, you know, like you're, you've chosen, you've learned from the person that does it that way rather than me figuring out in my bedroom.
00:49:01.02
Steve
Yeah, it's kind of like very natural, isn't it?
00:49:07.68
Ross
I'm watching, you know, DVDs going on YouTube and you'd be like, well, this is how he does it, but he actually is deeply uncomfortable to do it like this.
00:49:10.85
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:17.82
Ross
It's easier to to do tremolo picking like this.
00:49:20.81
Steve
But because he started, and he was doing that, learning that, like, what, like three?
00:49:22.46
Ross
and learn it from his old man. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, totally.
00:49:24.92
Steve
And so it's like, it's just second nature to him, isn't it?
00:49:27.10
Ross
and And they tap in and like he uses the. but So again, that's what was interesting. So like a 50 and 50, he's got three channels on the guitar amp so you can click a button, have clean crunch and and like a lead tone.
00:49:39.71
Ross
But he just plays on the blue channel, the crunchy channel, and he uses the volume on the guitar to to bring ring ring about in, which is again, classic. evh and again a classic way of using a guitar amp when you still only have one channel but it's interesting that he plays like that because he doesn't have to yeah yeah well he wasn't using pedals like that's what's interesting he would use the volume he was just turning the volume down on his guitar yeah yeah
00:49:57.20
Steve
So was that something you observed during the gig? Oh, that's interesting. in I didn't know that. so So was that, so he was using pedals to alternate.
00:50:07.12
Steve
How did he alternate between those things? Oh, sorry. I thought you meant that was, because I don't, I'm not a musician. ah I think we all are all very well aware.
00:50:15.89
Ross
yeah
00:50:18.04
Steve
I thought those things you were describing, that was, he was doing that even volume. I thought that was a thing you do with your foot or something.
00:50:22.59
Ross
Well, you could like I did. I do. I have a button that turns the volume down.
00:50:26.60
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. Right.
00:50:29.32
Ross
So you switch the channel to the clean channel.
00:50:29.45
Steve
Okay. Yeah.
00:50:33.18
Ross
But then he was doing it like old school.
00:50:33.97
Steve
You can also do it on your. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:36.29
Ross
Yeah, you only have one channel and you control the tone with your guitar.
00:50:39.38
Steve
I think I'd like to do it that way.
00:50:41.32
Ross
It's just hard when you're singing and playing guitar and then you have to be like, oh shit.
00:50:41.53
Steve
I think I'd like to do it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Actually I didn't think about that.
00:50:45.80
Ross
So that's, that's, that's why people don't do it.
00:50:48.24
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:48.70
Ross
He was doing it. It was just cool. And he was playing his own signature model, which is this amazing, I think it's out now and it's got the, classically called like F holes.
00:50:52.24
Steve
Well, that's pretty cool, isn't it?
00:50:56.72
Ross
Cause it's like a hollow semi acoustic or semi hollow body. So they're like chambers, but they're E's like E holes, which I think are a nice touch.
00:51:06.36
Steve
Nice. Nice touch.
00:51:08.71
Ross
And they also look like a W for Wolfie as well, because the E is on its side.
00:51:12.52
Steve
Oh, that's cool.
00:51:13.71
Ross
It's a clever bit of design.
00:51:15.60
Steve
I really liked that when we got up to the stage because like when they're taking the stuff down and it's just sort of, and I was saying to you, isn't it? It's like, or were we talking about that? Was I talking about that to someone else recently about it's a, or maybe it was someone else.
00:51:26.15
Steve
It was a complete, it's a complete different experience when you're at the back of something, however small the venue versus, so it was like, you know,
00:51:29.93
Ross
Yeah.
00:51:33.83
Steve
Stadium gigs, if you're at the back or if you're at the middle or if you're at the front, it's a completely different experience. Or it goes fast though, if you're in the middle or if you're at the front or the back or even a smaller venue like this, it's a completely different experience, isn't it?
00:51:38.97
Ross
Yeah.
00:51:45.05
Ross
Oh, this sounded so much different as well.
00:51:45.20
Steve
like And yeah, and it's how connected you feel, isn't it?
00:51:47.28
Ross
if Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:49.65
Steve
It's a different kind of connection, whether you connect to the gig, you're there, but you're watching on the screens because you can't really see a lot. It's a different, and they're, they're all valid because people still go to them and we all still go to things, but it's a different level of connection, isn't it?
00:51:54.96
Ross
Yeah.
00:52:01.08
Ross
And in retrospect, yeah like if we'd gone in and put our bossy pants on, we could have got to the front so easily.
00:52:07.78
Steve
yeah well the uh the dry cleaners lost our bossy pants though didn't they that's what because we didn't bring yeah that's why i lost my ticket sorry i was late ross the the dry cleaner lost my bossy pants and they got holes in them yeah
00:52:08.08
Ross
We'd just been tuched out along the way.
00:52:13.32
Ross
That's why you were late, wasn't it? So why are you wearing your safety pants, are you? Yeah, I love my bossy pants. Stained again. Yeah. You shit yourself, did you, in your bossy pants? Yeah.
00:52:29.92
Steve
and they're not really selling, bossy pants aren't in season anymore, I've got to wait for the winter.
00:52:32.54
Ross
no no Yeah.
00:52:33.96
Steve
People, yeah, in the summer there's all shorts now, and Bermuda's, so um that's a shame.
00:52:37.78
Ross
We got shorts on today. I've got my shorts on.
00:52:40.12
Steve
I was gonna put my shorts on, um but um I decided not to, well, we're going on holiday next week, and um i've just I've just washed my shorts, we're off to Mallorca, yeah, to, um I'm gonna sit down for a week, and drink cocktails,
00:52:46.85
Ross
Congratulations. Where are you off to? Oh, yeah. Mm hmm.
00:52:59.29
Steve
And, uh, I might roll, if I sit by a pool, I might occasionally roll over into that pool and then climb back out onto that lounger.
00:53:02.91
Ross
Yeah.
00:53:05.68
Ross
Yeah. Doggy paddle. Go with doggy paddle straight.
00:53:09.65
Steve
I've been practicing, but I'm basically not, not going to move for a week.
00:53:10.01
Ross
Oh, yeah. Love it.
00:53:13.49
Steve
And I'm looking forward to that.
00:53:13.87
Ross
Jealous.
00:53:15.35
Steve
And, um, yeah, that's what, that's, that's just the plan. So that's happening next week.
00:53:18.00
Ross
I'm off next week, but I'm not going anywhere.
00:53:20.27
Steve
And, um, did you go on holiday recently though?
00:53:21.93
Ross
No, only in my mind.
00:53:23.13
Steve
Uh, um, Yeah, well, you can go anywhere there, can't you?
00:53:27.13
Ross
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:27.87
Steve
And um so, yes, but my shorts, I give them a bit of a wash. So um they've they've they're drying and I'd have just been sat in wet shorts.
00:53:33.10
Ross
are already all packed up oh yeah don't do that nice when you...
00:53:38.12
Steve
And if I like to move, it just been squelching sounds. um And that wouldn't have been nice for anybody.
00:53:43.20
Ross
oh you've been in your bossy pants again are you?
00:53:45.04
Steve
I'm like, i've not i've not I've not done a poo poo. I've not poo pooed my pants. I'm just like, I'm squashing around him in freshly washed shorts.
00:53:49.14
Ross
I hate when that happens yeah it was good
00:53:53.24
Steve
So yeah, that's not good. But um yeah, so that'd be nice. um But yeah, I really liked it, seeing the kit up close, because it was really, yeah, but so even though I didn't really know what a lot of it, you know, like the technical side of it, like what you do is that.
00:54:03.20
Ross
the yeah
00:54:06.47
Ross
I think we did have a little rig run down. I found the album review and stuff.
00:54:08.70
Steve
Yeah, and it was just all this.
00:54:10.37
Ross
It was was like, yep, checks out because he has like all these extra pedals.
00:54:12.51
Steve
Yeah.
00:54:13.63
Ross
and He has ah is a bit like a catalog. He has literally all of the EVH equipment on the stage.
00:54:22.05
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:22.57
Ross
And I don't think he uses hardly any of it. And then in one of the interviews, he's like, yeah, I have these, but I don't use the flanger. Like, it's I don't use it. It's there.
00:54:29.42
Steve
Why is it there? just Literally like an advert, you reckon?
00:54:31.29
Ross
If I want to put it on for a bit of fun.
00:54:31.46
Steve
and Or you could just, eat yeah, in the moment, improvise, I might use that now.
00:54:36.20
Ross
Yeah. like you know Yeah. So he has, I think one of the guitars uses a wah wah. So he has like the EVH wah.
00:54:42.84
Steve
Did you have um a so a standout moment?
00:54:42.87
Ross
And.
00:54:47.99
Steve
Or not a standout, what was your favourite moment? Let's put that, I don't want to put too much pressure on that moment.
00:54:50.08
Ross
man of
00:54:52.36
Steve
Did you have a favourite moment?
00:54:53.53
Ross
I forgot the name of the song, the one where it goes...
00:54:53.76
Steve
okay
00:54:56.20
Ross
little little little little little little little little little little little little bit little little dan and e I think that is pastime, maybe.
00:54:59.98
Steve
Nice.
00:55:03.04
Ross
Like a pastime. But yeah, I really like that one. I've just seen him shred and like the band's were great. It was great.
00:55:08.18
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:08.73
Ross
They're all changing the guitars and stuff. But yeah, the only thing to say ah would have been funny to hear it ah up from the stage because the thing that really stuck out to me is they used this. It seemed to only be on the kick, which I found really weird is he used a triggered kick.
00:55:22.27
Steve
What does that mean?
00:55:23.03
Ross
So that means when he hit the kick drum, it played a sample of a kick drum.
00:55:28.51
Steve
What? Really?
00:55:30.04
Ross
Yeah. So, you know, like when you're a kid and you have the piano and he'd be like, DJ, well, that's a sampler, right?
00:55:30.31
Steve
What? So.
00:55:33.65
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:36.79
Steve
Right.
00:55:37.40
Ross
Like playing back a sample of the ah a note or a piece of music or whatever phrase. So every time he had a kick, he'd kick the kick drum pedal.
00:55:46.92
Steve
But we wouldn't hear that.
00:55:48.64
Ross
We weren't hearing that through the PA. We were hearing in a sample of, we were hearing a triggered one because it's like perfect every single time.
00:55:53.90
Steve
And what was that sound?
00:55:55.51
Ross
It's like, it's a really plasticky. It's like what modern rock kick drums sound like. Where it's like, you know, that really like, like, I don't know, like a great example, like, you know, like, um.
00:56:04.10
Steve
Wow, I didn't know that.
00:56:06.45
Ross
really that I don't know where it started but it's like really perfect drums like really dry no room like every single it's kind of like a techie metal thing but then I think also like if you listen to like the first album I remember hearing it and really sticking out to me was um American Idiot by Green Day like that with the tray cool like the drums on like holiday and stuff are like really plasticky sounding and really separate that listen to them it sounds very separate it's kind of the total opposite of like we listed like the first Van Halen albums where it's just in a room like a couple of mics you can hear the room where these are like hyper like this is you know it's just and this is really like and ah it's like quite plasticky sounding
00:56:25.56
Steve
Right.
00:56:43.89
Steve
Right, right.
00:56:51.18
Steve
ah Right. Right.
00:56:55.37
Ross
I think I'm gonna play, maybe I'll probably play a track and just give you an example, I mean like fucking all that alter bridge stuff, shit with them, just like that.
00:57:01.27
Steve
So that that requires a bit of management, don't it, to like get these all lined up at the right moment?
00:57:04.47
Ross
Again, there's another thing, that you had there's another bit of kit, which, yeah.
00:57:07.00
Steve
Yeah, that you'd need someone off stage to be sorting all that out like at the right moment.
00:57:12.93
Ross
Yeah, totally.
00:57:13.14
Steve
Like, you know, like, the lighting people, was that the venues lighting people?
00:57:17.79
Ross
and potentially again it's like if he if he had one of those people it is quite possible that he would brought those see
00:57:25.61
Steve
It's like film stars, isn't it? Just like rocking up, rather than if they got to do an interview at a TV station.
00:57:31.07
Ross
if these drums this might be yes it's totally that yeah and he can afford it right let me play a bit of holiday by American D and see if the drums are like I'm thinking of
00:57:31.23
Steve
There's like, there's like hairdressers and stuff there, but they brought their own part of their entourage is that they got their own. Yeah.
00:57:53.96
Ross
they've got a lot of europe actually maybe ah example let me play some mammoth because he his drums are triggered to shit just in a stylistic choice they've got room on them as well actually you can hear that i've got my expensive headphones on today as well so i can actually like yeah yeah yeah ah hello a
00:57:56.06
Steve
right in a good way just right ah you can actually see into their souls when they're playing it
00:58:24.97
Ross
a a
00:58:33.39
Ross
ah kick that kick drum there that's that's they all they say they're all exactly perfect it's
00:58:34.92
Steve
Right. Yeah.
00:58:46.96
Ross
like you know let's go to that kick versus
00:58:48.50
Steve
Right.
00:58:53.53
Steve
And it's got nothing to do with like the drums.
00:58:58.66
Ross
So it doesn't, that's why it's, it doesn't matter how, it doesn't matter if you like smash it or you hit it.
00:58:59.02
Steve
No, I couldn't think of a thing what is
00:59:03.71
Steve
It would always be that sound.
00:59:04.22
Ross
Delicate always gives you the same one. So you like listen to that compared to like, no.
00:59:16.83
Ross
say cant i'll kill that problem if you listen to those drums isolated and i could isolate them for another time i mean that's something we could do if we ever wanted to now because of ai we can isolate all the individual tracks but if you listen to the drums he's not playing perfectly every single time because he's a human and that's like this man thing that's happening metal is like this like hyper automation of drums has become a thing um
00:59:23.41
Steve
Yeah, right.
00:59:32.29
Steve
yeah right
00:59:42.98
Steve
Right, is that a new trend, or is that an odd?
00:59:45.60
Ross
It's not, and i don't I don't think it's new new, but it's definitely a trend. um And like that kind of modern rock tone.
00:59:54.02
Steve
Mmm, modern rock. Available in your ear holes.
00:59:59.38
Ross
So like if we listen, you've got to get some.
01:00:00.26
Steve
24-7.
01:00:03.76
Steve
You gotta get some, and when you run out, we've got some more.
01:00:05.09
Ross
This ain't your mama's rock.
01:00:08.76
Steve
ah
01:00:11.85
Ross
Don't turn away again for right always at your side that's all a bridge that was triggered as shit yeah it's just really dry start anyway anyway it's just a stylistic choice and it's the thing the reason it's done is it cuts through so it's justs like you can it sounds good on like a fucking iphone it doesn't anyway it's just the modern way actually can you have a good example yeah and the way it sounds on the radio yeah yeah
01:00:20.34
Steve
Right. Right.
01:00:30.25
Steve
Oh, so is that.
01:00:33.93
Steve
So is that engineered because people listen to music differently? Oh, that's why and stylistic choice because of the speaker rather than a creative choice. Oh, wow.
01:00:44.94
Ross
So if we listen to like...
01:00:47.02
Steve
Gosh.
01:00:55.74
Ross
So that's us. And that was the first producer we worked with and all those drugs are triggered to fuck.
01:00:59.06
Steve
Yes, mate!
01:01:02.66
Ross
I think the album's probably still got some trigger on it, but if you listen, it's totally different producer and we were like, we don't want it to sound like this. We want it to sound like old rock music, please.
01:01:11.81
Steve
Right, right.
01:01:12.45
Ross
Um,
01:01:12.97
Steve
It's good to have reference material in it, and like even if it's what you don't want.
01:01:14.89
Ross
Yeah. Whereas.
01:01:21.13
Ross
But even in the just AB, like this is so much quieter because it's not mastered like with a, with what's called, again, this is a bit inside baseball today, but is like, you, limiter, like music is limited now.
01:01:24.72
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:28.80
Steve
No, but this is important.
01:01:33.25
Ross
So basically what it does is like anything. that hits a certain level you just put to 10 so like music is just so loud now i don't know if you've heard heard of like the loudness wars it's like a so like you listen to modern pop music it's so fucking loud compared to barry white and it's because it's compressed so you squish all the transients so you make all the quiet bits quiet and all the loud bits kind of like in a box like this and then you limit it so you take it all here and then you just make it really loud and so the dynamics of it die away
01:01:45.02
Steve
No, no, I don't know about that. Right, and no, I, um but yeah.
01:02:06.59
Steve
So it's almost like normalised to all the same level and then you increase it.
01:02:08.96
Ross
Yeah. Well, and if you look at, listen to your Spotify is your Apple musics and you go into your settings, normalizing or sound check, it's probably turned on. If you turn that off, you'll actually hear the discrepancy, which is why when you like play an old Van Halen track, I didn't play a brand new man with all Van Halen WVH out song.
01:02:20.84
Steve
um was supposed to be
01:02:28.74
Ross
One is quiet. The one is really loud is because of that.
01:02:32.66
Steve
Right. Because the, you know, like the resurgence of vinyl and stuff.
01:02:36.32
Ross
Yeah.
01:02:37.00
Steve
Do people not like that, like not engineered things to for that as well? Like it's not all just because of like iPhones and things.
01:02:42.03
Ross
Yes. Yeah. So you, again, you should like, you'd have a different master. No. So you usually it's two masters now. So you'd have like a master for digital and a master for vinyl to take into account the transients and like the frequencies.
01:02:51.82
Steve
Oh, right.
01:02:56.07
Ross
Yeah. I'll just listen to.
01:02:56.48
Steve
So then what's the real version, isn't it? What's the real version?
01:02:59.15
Ross
Yeah.
01:03:00.30
Steve
That's very interesting.
01:03:00.74
Ross
They're all there. I just, yeah.
01:03:01.80
Steve
and
01:03:02.07
Ross
yeah and it Again, because it.
01:03:03.95
Steve
But they're not labeled differently, like a director's cut.
01:03:06.34
Ross
No, no, no. It's just when they went, the one you listened to on, you know, Spotify, isn't the same.
01:03:11.42
Steve
Wow, I didn't know that.
01:03:11.74
Ross
They got sent to the factory when they made final.
01:03:13.34
Steve
But it makes sense, yeah.
01:03:14.24
Ross
Yeah.
01:03:16.64
Ross
So that's, that's, that's all I had to say on the matter.
01:03:16.88
Steve
Honestly.
01:03:19.14
Ross
Really.
01:03:19.59
Steve
mar yeah Did you hear my water bottle there?
01:03:20.72
Ross
I did that. Is that like, well,
01:03:21.52
Steve
Just do like a splotch of appreciation for your ah educational knowledge. I felt like I should acknowledge that, because I don't always know if I just know like a random weird sound.
01:03:26.56
Ross
did you break any jokes that I know in my head?
01:03:32.66
Steve
Yeah, but this is the this is the this is the the the place that nice to share it, isn't it?
01:03:36.23
Ross
the people is they look you guys but don't seriously you know we're taking a very serious this someone is those talk about yeah cuz I mean what's going to talk about that we had a couple of pints yeah all
01:03:40.56
Steve
Yeah, yeah yeah but it's like this more of like a technical episode, isn't it?
01:03:46.08
Steve
Oh, we had a couple of pints. um we cut We cut a little bit of mustard. And we, um, we had a, we had a right good auto.
01:03:58.70
Steve
I mean, we had easy access to that bar. I might mention that earlier.
01:04:01.39
Ross
the box through
01:04:01.49
Steve
That was amazing because apart from the three, the like three, four people deep, there was no one there. It felt like being in a VIP area but without being with a regular ticket.
01:04:07.66
Ross
It did, yeah, with the MEBIs.
01:04:11.58
Steve
Yeah. Cause we were like above everyone and there was like, like VIP areas are they're like, you know, not many people.
01:04:16.61
Ross
You know, what we didn't talk about is the people that sat on a sofa facing the bar, the entire gig, even tried to look.
01:04:21.91
Steve
Yeah, that was weird. Yeah. There was about. what, four chairs, like like comfortable chairs and sofa type things.
01:04:28.22
Ross
Yeah. Like, like, yeah.
01:04:30.40
Steve
And people just didn't, some people just didn't get up at all. They'd obviously been dragged there by somebody, aren't they?
01:04:34.80
Ross
and ah
01:04:36.33
Steve
Did you enjoy the gig, love? Yeah, really did.
01:04:38.20
Ross
uh yeah finished mrs oku yeah well yeah and no and we thank our moms for coming with us to the gate it was important we needed a left side yeah yeah mine too now my my mum went to see a share tribute act the other day she said it was great
01:04:40.35
Steve
Is that, cause they're the person who did go, they're just looking at Wolfie all the time. So they didn't know if they're like, whoever they come with ain't paying attention.
01:04:50.13
Steve
My mum hated it, to be honest, but it's not really, um it's not really her cup of tea.
01:04:59.45
Steve
How did that go? It's weird seeing acts, the tribute acts, when the real acts are still performing.
01:05:07.46
Ross
And she's did the stage patter as Cher. I think that, you know, it so it's just like fully in.
01:05:11.77
Steve
Thank you for coming. er Yeah, really, like.
01:05:13.03
Ross
There I go. And she's like, you guys need to get up, you have your asses or said something like Matt, you know, I did like this kind of sassy with the crowd and.
01:05:21.63
Steve
That's funny, isn't it? Because I saw I've seen a couple of these things over the years. And I remember, oh, it was a funny one, was Kate's mum wanted to go, this is when Jeff Lynn wasn't performing with the research at VLO, like playing Wembley Stadium.
01:05:33.51
Ross
Hmm. The electric light orchestra.
01:05:36.75
Steve
So this might've been about, I don't know, God, 12 years ago or something. and Kate's mum, like she really wanted to go to see this tribute act like nearby and I was like and she sort of like um the mentioned it was like I'll go with you Mrs Bell, I'll go with you so it's like um and it was really it was really so it was really sweet so but me and Mrs Bell went along to see this tribute and um but the Jeff Lynn uh yeah it was it was really good fun because it was like and um because obviously they're all like great songs in it from what they are and whatever you know it's like they're like
01:05:48.88
Ross
yeah together got on it did you get on it like yeah yeah yeah of course and the if you're in a tribute band you're doing it hope we'd hope because you love these songs
01:06:12.47
Steve
Yeah, but he liked the Jeff Lynn, he just put on like a curly wig and it was just like it was just any i it it was and they were good musicians and they treated it seriously and stuff but it was quite tongue in cheek at the same time which was really nice.
01:06:22.93
Ross
Right. Okay.
01:06:25.15
Steve
It was like and acknowledging it was, but in between he was acknowledging that
01:06:25.65
Ross
so Okay.
01:06:31.60
Steve
nothing was really said but he wasn't pretending to be Jeff Lynn in between he wasn't going hello everyone thank you very much for coming aye so i hope you have a lovely time and if you want an ice cream in interval this all on us he didn't do anything like that he just went ah he just went um he was just sort of going oh that was it he was sort of saying things as i remember well like Jeff Lynn and Ayla they're a great band and they've had so many hits and um well this next one is going to be the song they wrote about you know so he did it like that
01:06:35.08
Ross
Right. a That be great.
01:06:58.78
Ross
Uh, kind of like Parkridge, you know, have you ever had a breakup?
01:06:59.48
Steve
evident yeah right
01:07:01.57
Ross
Well, maybe I want a little bit like this, you know.
01:07:06.26
Steve
i left me for a dream instructor um yeah but he just he was it was a bit like that yeah but it was all done in like the fun of it rather than it being a bit naff do you know what i mean um but yeah so but like to acknowledge to pretend you are Cher that's quite a bold move there's not no right role we're doing it
01:07:09.62
Ross
What was the weather like today? Why don't we ask Mr. Blue Sky?
01:07:21.00
Ross
Right. Okay.
01:07:26.19
Ross
Yeah, in a in a conference, and like in an event space, in a gym, in Northern Ireland.
01:07:34.32
Steve
Unless you do it in a fun way when you're acknowledging that like I am Sharon, I'm in this sort of smaller venue and I need to, I need to fire my manager.
01:07:38.38
Ross
Yeah, yeah. The mad thing is like, she she was, not Cher, was opening up for like a natural, an actual artist.
01:07:48.84
Ross
I think so weird.
01:07:50.96
Steve
What's that?
01:07:51.15
Ross
So like, like an, you know, like I'm not modern, but like an active touring musician who's really music as themselves, she was opening up for them.
01:07:56.30
Steve
Oh yeah.
01:08:00.78
Steve
Oh.
01:08:01.06
Ross
Imagine like, it's like us having like a support act that was just playing we, you know, like Foo Fighters or whatever. It was so weird.
01:08:09.62
Steve
oh but Oasis did that, didn't they?
01:08:12.19
Ross
Did they?
01:08:13.33
Steve
They had the bootleg Beatles, which is really quite quite funny actually.
01:08:17.23
Ross
mean
01:08:18.01
Steve
i' a yeah But that's probably the only time that's ever sort of been done and kind of worked, I suppose.
01:08:22.14
Ross
Yeah, just weird.
01:08:23.23
Steve
Yeah, that is weird, isn't it? Because you can't get...
01:08:24.47
Ross
Yeah.
01:08:26.51
Steve
Have you ever had done any um mad tribute band experiences?
01:08:31.05
Ross
I'm trying to think if I have. i don't think I don't think I've been to a lot of tribute band experience. And I tell you, i nearly I got, I got, ah I tried out for the bootleg Beatles once.
01:08:40.22
Steve
No, you have never mentioned this.
01:08:41.43
Ross
I did. I definitely have.
01:08:44.84
Steve
No! Well, if you have, I've forgotten about it, so I'd like to hear it again.
01:08:47.63
Ross
So it was when I, yeah.
01:08:47.73
Steve
Really? that So, if you like Beatles, are the premier Beatles tribute, and they're great.
01:08:53.29
Ross
It was 2006. first year of university, I was in, uh, there was a guitar shop in the basement of the Virgin megastore on Oxford street for a minute.
01:08:57.96
Steve
This is incredible! um
01:09:06.72
Steve
Oh...
01:09:08.05
Ross
And I was down there playing a couple of, a couple of gets guitars.
01:09:10.27
Steve
Lovely place.
01:09:15.51
Ross
And I was playing a Gretsch, like a George Harrison car.
01:09:20.16
Steve
Oh, my God.
01:09:20.88
Ross
And I had like Beatles haircut. I had like a bowl, you know, like that I had long hair. I was like, I still had long hair at the time.
01:09:24.83
Steve
I remember, was that right in the time we met?
01:09:27.22
Ross
No, this is this is years and years ago, you know, twenty yes six.
01:09:28.26
Steve
Oh. Oh, yeah, no, that but we probably we probably met 10 years later, actually.
01:09:30.98
Ross
explicit Yeah. Yeah. And am anyway, so this guy came up to me and he was, oh, you know, do you play and or whatever?
01:09:41.85
Ross
I was like well yeah playing'm playing guitar.
01:09:43.36
Steve
Playing there.
01:09:44.69
Ross
He's like, oh, do you like the Beatles? i Oh, I love the Beatles. And then he was like, Oh, do you know any of the songs? And I think I played like the opening to like eight days a week and day trip or whatever. And he was like, Oh, um, we're in a band called the bootleg Beatles and we're looking for a new George Harrison.
01:09:59.98
Steve
This is incredible!
01:10:04.98
Steve
This is amazing!
01:10:05.43
Ross
Would you be interested in trying out? Yeah. And, uh, I was like, yeah, go then. And I went to, so they, it was again, it was on Denmark, Denmark street.
01:10:16.96
Steve
demonstrate how old were you then wow so you're like you would have been god i don't know that's that's like almost hamburg george
01:10:17.31
Ross
They had, yeah, it was like, Tim, Downton Pan Alley. They used to be rehearsal studios and I went and met up with them and absolutely, uh, had been 18, 19.
01:10:33.05
Ross
yeah Yeah, well, I think that was what I think they were like, I can't remember what the proposition was.
01:10:33.80
Steve
and
01:10:37.44
Ross
It was such a long time ago now. I know they emailed somewhere to find them, but I didn't know how I hadn't had any. I couldn't sing harmony then. So they didn't. I fucks it. Well, two things I didn't practice.
01:10:49.80
Ross
It was like I don't know. I turned off and I was like pretty shit. And I didn't understand and vocal harmony at the time. I didn't i didn't know how it worked.
01:10:56.78
Steve
Right, right. I mean, God, you're very young then.
01:10:58.48
Ross
He was like, so he was like, can you sing this part, you know, eight days a week you know and all that stuff you know who on each othernna yes you know it's true like they wanted me to do those bits i just couldn't i couldn't comprehend how to do that then so yeah so you're like oh yeah maybe not and i was like okay thanks and that was it oh yeah i'd be like yeah go tell me it's like we're not looking for fat george harrison actually mate so you could uh
01:11:04.97
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:11.39
Steve
Yeah. Yeah, because you had no experience.
01:11:21.84
Steve
oh where's now you'd go and you'd like be on stage 20 minutes later you you were uh um you were you were like honestly i can't believe it
01:11:35.32
Ross
I can play George Harrison when he's just coked out of his mind trying to tackle me with a knife.
01:11:38.64
Steve
yeah
01:11:39.92
Ross
I don't think that sits in the set actually at the moment.
01:11:43.21
Steve
Yeah, right. That's incredible.
01:11:48.46
Steve
What did they ask you to do? like what brought but like i like to to But to the to play, like what what songs did you have to play?
01:11:50.98
Ross
They me a bunch of songs to learn.
01:11:54.91
Steve
like not Oh, yeah, right, yeah.
01:11:55.45
Ross
yeah it was all the early ones it was all stuff off the the red and blue albums and uh yeah so it was because i think they were like oh we're due different because they do different tours right so we're just going to play sergeant peppers or we're just going to play like they do like these eras tours so i think at the time yeah he's a proper geezer he's like proper company geezer it definitely felt like i mean they might not have even been the bootleg beetles i just mean being
01:12:01.95
Steve
Because the red one is the early ones, isn't it?
01:12:12.01
Steve
Yeah.
01:12:14.43
Steve
Well, that's the amazing.
01:12:19.19
Steve
Who? No, I reckon it probably was. Do you know who he was? Your man who came up?
01:12:24.17
Ross
He was John.
01:12:24.95
Steve
He was John!
01:12:25.21
Ross
He was John. Yeah.
01:12:27.24
Steve
Imagine if we needed George Harrison. It's easy if you try. So I've got...
01:12:31.46
Ross
as yeah
01:12:33.35
Steve
This brought me, this is very, very on brand for what I've, you know, when um Instagram, Kate says, um when things come up that you don't follow, you get served them.
01:12:36.85
Ross
Oh, okay.
01:12:43.41
Steve
I believe that's the terminology. You get served an advert, you get served. It's what the influencers say, I believe. know um But um I got served a post today and um see if I can find it.
01:12:48.52
Ross
Oh, I didn't know that.
01:12:51.51
Ross
He noticed.
01:12:55.18
Steve
It's an interview with, very, very mad that this has happened today. I've got, the and they to do with your anecdote. This is an interview with George Harrison. Shall I play it?
01:13:07.26
Ross
Please.
01:13:07.90
Steve
Okay.
01:13:10.91
Steve
This is like an old interview from like, what, 1988 or something?
01:13:14.08
Ross
Love it.
01:13:14.99
Steve
Who do you think is the best guitarist? Because you actually are a guitarist. That's guitarist living or not living? Well, this is a lot of guitar players.
01:13:25.82
Steve
i like a guy called Eddie Lang and a guy called Django Reinhardt and these days I think there's out of the contemporary players I think Eddie Van Eyland is pretty hot I like of course Eric Clapton yeah that was like amazing so I thought I'd share that today that's great isn't it I think he said he's pretty pretty I can't do George pretty
01:13:39.87
Ross
yeah Yes.
01:13:44.03
Ross
Oh boy. Yes. Yeah. I love that. Did he say he's pretty hot? He's brilliant. He's pretty hot.
01:13:55.32
Steve
Did you, um, yeah, that's, that's great, isn't it?
01:13:57.53
Ross
Yeah.
01:13:57.82
Steve
That's all tied up very nicely. Um, do you know, what was the, um, what was the Ringo like?
01:14:02.67
Ross
It was, all I never got to meet the ring.
01:14:03.14
Steve
Oh,
01:14:04.03
Ross
It was just to, to the, it was just John and Paul.
01:14:07.51
Steve
ah was it?
01:14:08.46
Ross
Yeah.
01:14:08.71
Steve
like Ringo's probably just on the side, like, um, embodying Ringo and just like sitting on the side, just waiting for, just sweeping up, waiting for someone to do.
01:14:09.19
Ross
Yeah.
01:14:16.99
Ross
He went, I said, oh, where's Ringo? He went, no more Ringo.
01:14:20.59
Steve
ah yeah Please stop sending us George Harrison's to to audition.
01:14:24.79
Ross
I'm trying to find if I can find, like the name, if I saw it, I think would, anyway, it doesn't matter, does it?
01:14:25.75
Steve
They will be going in the bin.
01:14:32.79
Steve
If you had come, if you had come, hang on, that's got to be deeper.
01:14:33.15
Ross
but and
01:14:36.22
Steve
If you, if you had come, Ross, if you had come and be more prepared, you may have got the gig, but unfortunately you have not. So you will have to go in the bin.
01:14:47.00
Steve
It's maybe I'm just thinking.
01:14:48.07
Ross
Sorry, Ringo, I just, yeah, I just always 18 and like drinking southern comfort and lemonade in pint glasses.
01:14:54.36
Steve
Unfortunately, you're too youthful. Your youth and inexperience has gone against you this time. But please do not be disheartened and just go and conquer the charts and music on your own merit and form your own band. Big love, bays in love. It's probably what he was thinking, isn't it?
01:15:18.01
Ross
oh yeah buts so
01:15:18.28
Steve
Oh, I should have become quite sentimental during the end then. It was like actual like with wisdom. Actual wisdom from fake Ringo.
01:15:23.69
Ross
Oh, yeah.
01:15:25.80
Steve
I was really in the moment then.
01:15:27.51
Ross
So there you go. There was my brush with.
01:15:30.54
Steve
that's ah That's a glorious story that I'd never heard before. That's mad, isn't it?
01:15:35.53
Ross
Yeah, it was funny.
01:15:37.68
Steve
You would have worn the ah pink satin pepper outfit.
01:15:43.75
Ross
I need to, I'm going to have to look up.
01:15:44.14
Steve
That's mad, isn't it?
01:15:46.69
Ross
I'll text you later. It doesn't matter for the listener who who was trying to get hold of me, but yeah, Defo happened.
01:15:54.11
Steve
That's great. Slade and doors moment.
01:15:56.13
Ross
Yep. What could have been?
01:15:58.44
Steve
But hey, but if that had of happened, you wouldn't have created your own band and your own album and your own EPs, et cetera.
01:16:03.34
Ross
um Yeah. Hey.
01:16:04.52
Steve
So that's the best thing, isn't it?
01:16:07.32
Ross
you You never got asked to be in any tribute bands?
01:16:10.50
Steve
Um, uh, no, no. Um, I've, I've, maybe there was a, I've got, um, it it ah a long time ago, um, some, someone mentioned that I look like meatloaf.
01:16:23.25
Steve
So maybe I could have, I can't sing though, but I could have maybe done some sort of, um, maimin for like, uh, uh, if there was a, if there was a meatloaf tribute act who sounded like like him, but didn't look like him, I could have done the maimin.
01:16:27.85
Ross
Oh. ah
01:16:37.12
Ross
Yeah.
01:16:38.76
Steve
I like to think i've um the years have been kind since and I maybe don't look like that anymore.
01:16:38.81
Ross
Okay.
01:16:45.92
Steve
But ah yeah, so, but no, no um nothing nothing like that. but that's my That's my closest brush. ah And it wasn't even a close brush.
01:16:53.95
Ross
I'm gonna say... the meatloaf...
01:16:57.18
Steve
Because I can't do anything. I can't dance, I can't sing, and I can't play.
01:16:59.38
Ross
well... I can't dance, John, that's my hair.
01:17:02.80
Steve
Yeah. I'm a great i'm a great audience member. That's my contribution to um the music arts. I'm a great listener of music and a great watcher of the spectacle, but I cannot do it.
01:17:15.76
Steve
That's why the thing, that's why it's so impressive, as I'm sure I've touched on many times before. When you can't do something, it's wonderful is ah playing guitar like you can, and and I've seen you in action many times and stuff.
01:17:23.83
Ross
Mm hmm.
01:17:26.23
Steve
And it's just like, it's like watching Superman fly because you can't do it, you know? It's dead impressive. When you got...
01:17:32.48
Ross
Yeah, I feel that about watching you do your art. I go, you know, when you were talking about ah the Creed artworks and it looked like the first go, mine doesn't look like that.
01:17:35.21
Steve
Oh, thanks.
01:17:40.65
Steve
Yeah.
01:17:42.57
Ross
I draw with my daughter with a Crayola and hers, if she knew what she was doing, she knew hers would look better than mine. Mine looks, my drawing, my artwork goes one of two ways.
01:17:56.67
Ross
Just sort of like pure shit. just like a mishmash of colors and you know or like a serial killer there's no in between it's just the two yeah that was good yeah
01:18:00.93
Steve
Yeah.
01:18:04.04
Steve
yeah
01:18:07.98
Steve
it's mad sometimes kids do things so I got like a niece and nephew and stuff and they're a lot they're like older now um they're like in there like getting in their teens and stuff but when they were like much younger like they would just like throw away like you know just like get the crowns out do some like characters I was like that's It's great.
01:18:25.47
Steve
Because i but I suppose that's the thing is like, when you don't think about something, there's no pressure.
01:18:29.58
Ross
Yeah.
01:18:29.98
Steve
in that And if you're just doing it, and that's the beauty, that's the thing kids have with creativity, isn't it?
01:18:34.36
Ross
What I
01:18:34.75
Steve
They're just doing it because they want to do it. And they don't care about all this good enough. And they just, and sometimes some great stuff comes out. hey
01:18:40.18
Ross
will say is when we pick up my daughter from nursery, they'd be like, Oh, we've drawn a planet today. And I'd be like, what the fuck is this? You've just given me rubbish.
01:18:49.73
Steve
If I'm, I'm, I know you're just being sweet because you're a teacher, but seriously, can we actually try and get some good, some, get, get some talent going here?
01:18:53.74
Ross
Yeah. I know she's only two, but come on.
01:18:56.40
Steve
Cause this is, this is, this is rubbish.
01:19:00.60
Ross
in the lines.
01:19:01.73
Steve
Yeah. ah For in future, can you just present stuff to me, which is good.
01:19:04.85
Ross
but i Again, we're just rambling now, but for fun, I always like collecting the sticker books for the footballs.
01:19:12.24
Steve
I used to collect this. Yeah, I did as well. Well, not many of them, but I did about three.
01:19:16.01
Ross
Oh no, i I've done all of the Euros and World Cup ones since the 2012s.
01:19:24.30
Steve
Did you do the recent one?
01:19:25.35
Ross
Oh yeah.
01:19:26.17
Steve
It's really expensive, isn't it?
01:19:27.24
Ross
really expensive and it's on tops now it's shit anyway I bought one no we lost him I got a spare one I just got the cheap one I got the hardback now oh yeah they're like are you a man in your mid to late 30s or the disposable income have we got a money pit for you so anyway
01:19:30.59
Steve
Oh, not Pinini. Oh, that's a shame.
01:19:42.85
Steve
Well, I didn't even know they did that.
01:19:51.90
Steve
That's like those magazines that advertise on Italian. It's like you make a model. It's like, I saw one the other day and it was like, make art.
01:19:55.54
Ross
You know, I literally advertised one of those this morning and it was ah it was to build the original Megazord from Power Rangers Well, because it was like the first one's 99p and then the next one's like 50 and it's like yeah, you just subscribe for 20 years and The
01:20:01.24
Steve
Look how excited you are. You're going to get it, aren't you?
01:20:07.20
Steve
Yeah. The next year. That's what they do. Yeah. And you get a different part each week. Yeah. I saw one for R2D2. It was like ah almost like it was like half size R2D2 and you make, like you get a different part each week.
01:20:18.64
Steve
This is incredible.
01:20:18.72
Ross
thing today that said RTD 2 is a lesbian and there was a lot of backlash about it. Did you know that?
01:20:23.79
Steve
Who said that? Well, maybe maybe some is Chewbacca spreading rumors.
01:20:29.85
Ross
Oh, you think so?
01:20:31.24
Steve
Yeah, honestly, when they're um anything, anything, anything these droids will do for some attention.
01:20:32.77
Ross
The woke mob of comfort.
01:20:36.77
Ross
I take the shape. So anyway, look, we should probably wrap it up, should we, Steve?
01:20:41.52
Steve
Yeah, let's do it, shall we? Well, I very much enjoyed that.
01:20:42.57
Ross
You've got your holiday to go on.
01:20:44.05
Steve
Yeah, exactly.
01:20:44.11
Ross
The flames waiting.
01:20:45.36
Steve
I've got, um I reckon my shorts are probably dry by now.
01:20:45.67
Ross
I can see the pilot had been like, oh, yeah, problem on.
01:20:50.12
Steve
That's been nice.
01:20:51.29
Ross
You know, as much as I like seeing everything swing in the breeze next time.
01:20:51.41
Steve
there' which
01:20:55.44
Steve
And I was going to try them on after we go off, but I thought if you could stay on the line, you could see what it looked like.
01:20:59.12
Ross
Oh, that's lovely. thing Yeah, they'll beat down there.
01:21:00.62
Steve
Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah.
01:21:06.07
Steve
Lovely stuff.
01:21:06.14
Ross
welcome holiday steve And if you've made it this long, thank you. and We're going to do for unlawful carnal knowledge remastered back set.
01:21:15.04
Steve
We certainly are. That's some post holes. We'll get a date in for that.
01:21:19.32
Ross
Oh, yeah.
01:21:20.08
Steve
Um, yeah. Cause you bought it. Oh yeah. there it Oh, look at it.
01:21:22.29
Ross
It's yeah it's lovely.
01:21:22.68
Steve
Look. That's wonderful, isn't it? What what a what a package.
01:21:26.89
Ross
It's got the the live show they did in Dallas. Why Roy? Again, this is probably pre-meet and chat. We just do the whole album again.
01:21:34.80
Steve
Yeah, what what what what we are.
01:21:35.39
Ross
Go through the whole thing. Yeah. I think we just do the whole album. like
01:21:39.07
Steve
Oh, I'm well up for that, because it's my favorite album of theirs.
01:21:41.29
Ross
Let's do it. We're just remastered.
01:21:43.27
Steve
Oh, I'm totally well up for that.
01:21:43.46
Ross
We'll go through it.
01:21:46.43
Ross
There's more insight now because Sami Hagar and I was about to say Garth Brooks. ah
01:21:52.10
Steve
Why is he involved? Well, he is.
01:21:54.21
Ross
ah yeah Is that Garth Brooks? He can break your heart? No, but you got not Not Garth Brooks who is the match the day pundit.
01:21:57.14
Steve
No. Um, I don't know any Garth Brooks songs, but yeah, it was, it is.
01:22:03.84
Steve
Yeah, right. Yeah.
01:22:04.85
Ross
yeah
01:22:05.39
Steve
It's very good. Some, there needs to be more variety in stage names. It's very confusing, but yeah, I look forward to that.
01:22:11.00
Ross
We'll do that one proper.
01:22:12.90
Steve
Nice one.
01:22:13.60
Ross
Fact.
01:22:13.76
Steve
Well, thank you. Thank you, Wolfie, for a great show and thank you.
01:22:15.92
Ross
We had a lovely time.
01:22:16.97
Steve
And thank you Ross for a great show.
01:22:19.27
Ross
Hey, thank you for your wonderful company and asking excellent questions and just being an all round sexy beast.
01:22:25.72
Steve
Thank you for just being my favourite guy.
01:22:28.82
Ross
And please, please, please.
01:22:31.31
Steve
Me.
01:22:32.84
Ross
I like that.
01:22:32.91
Steve
We brought it back to George Harrison's day.
01:22:35.24
Ross
Bye.
01:22:35.25
Steve
Thanks very much. Goodbye listeners. Goodbye to you.