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The Catholic Church has recognized over ten thousand saints. Most people couldn't name five. Everyday Saints tells the real stories — not the stained-glass versions. Every week, host John O'Connor sits down with the life of one saint, told in plain language for regular people with real jobs, real doubts, and real lives. No theology degree required. Just honest stories about flawed, complicated humans who somehow became extraordinary. Whether you're a lifelong Catholic, a curious skeptic, or somewhere in between — pull up a chair. These stories are worth knowing.
A man is standing in a locked room, staring
at a man he had watched die. His name is Thomas.
He is the only one in that room who demanded
to see this with his own eyes before he would
believe it. And what he does next after this
moment, after this room, is something history
completely forgot to tell you. Most people know
that moment and nothing else. They do not know
that this same man, the one history branded
as a doubter for 2000 years, went on to travel
3000 miles alone to bring the story of Jesus
to a country none of the other apostles would
touch. He built seven churches. He died there.
And the Christian community he founded is still
active in India today. My name is John O'Connor
and this is Everyday Saints. you
If you are new here, welcome to the porch. Stick
around. And if this connects with you, subscribe
so you don't miss next week. We drop a new saint
every Thursday. This week, we are talking
about one of the most famous nicknames in the
English language. Doubting Thomas. Two words
that have become shorthand for any person who
refuses to believe something without evidence.
Most people who use that phrase have never read
what Thomas actually said or what he did immediately
after, or what the rest of his life looked
like. What they know is one moment, one absence
from one room, one demand for proof. But here
is the rest of the story. This is the story
of St. Thomas the Apostle. So here is something
most people do not know about Thomas. And it
matters enormously for understanding the moment
he is famous for. He was not a coward, He was
not weak in faith. He was not the nervous hand-wringing
disciple. The nickname suggests. No. In fact,
if you read the gospel of John carefully, Thomas
is one of the most distinct and fully drawn
personalities among all the disciples. He speaks
only four times in the gospel, but every time
he speaks, he says something. Nobody else in
the room was willing to say. The first time
Thomas speaks, Jesus has announced his intention
to return to Judea, the region just outside
Jerusalem, where his enemies are most concentrated,
where the threat of arrest and execution is
very real. The disciples, they are obviously
alarmed. They tried to talk him out of it.
Why go back there right now? Thomas looks at
the rest of them and says, let us also go that
we may die with him. Not let us see what happens,
not let us trust it will work out, but let
us go and die with him. Thomas was the only
one willing to name out loud what the journey
might actually cost. And he was willing to go
anyway. So that is not doubt. That is the most
direct expression of loyalty in that room. And
it came from the man history decided to call
the doubter. Later at the last supper, Jesus
tells the disciples he is going away to prepare
a place for them and that they know the way
to where he is going. It is a mysterious statement.
The other disciples, they sit in silence. Maybe
they are nodding politely. Maybe they are confused
but do not want to say so. But Thomas, he speaks.
Lord, we do not know where you are going. How
can we know the way? It is an honest question,
a logical question, the kind of question a
man asks when he is paying careful attention
and something does not yet add up. Jesus' response
to that question is one of the most famous sentences
in the entire New Testament. I am the way and
the truth and the life. That sentence exists
in the gospel because Thomas asked the question
nobody else would ask. That is worth sitting
with. It is now three days after the crucification.
The disciples are gathered in a locked room
in Jerusalem, locked because they are terrified.
Their leader had just been executed by the Roman
state and they have every reason to believe
they are next. Jesus appears somehow through
locked doors in a body that has been in a tomb
for three days. He is suddenly there. He shows
them the wounds. Disciples, they are overwhelmed.
They believe. But Thomas is not there. Where
was he? The scripture does not say. What was
he doing? We do not know. He simply was not
in that room when it happened. When the others
find him and tell him we have seen the Lord,
Thomas says something that has defined his
reputation for 2000 years. Unless I see the
mark of the nails in his hands and put my
finger into the mark of the nails and put my
hand into his side. I will not believe. But
here is what I want you to notice before we
move on. Every single one of the other disciples
had the same reaction when they were in Thomas's
position. When the women came back from the
tomb on Easter morning and said Jesus was risen,
the disciples did not believe them either.
Luke tells us their words seemed to them an
idle tale. They only believed when they saw
him themselves. Thomas was simply in the position
of not having seen it yet. He responded the
same way every other disciple had responded
before they saw. The only difference is that
his response got written down and attached to
his name forever. Eight days later, Jesus appears
again. This time Thomas is there. Jesus looks
directly at Thomas, not at the group, at Thomas
specifically, as if the whole reason for this
second appearance is the one man who wasn't
there for the first one. Put your finger here
and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put
it into my side. Do not doubt, but believe.
Whether Thomas actually touched the wounds,
the text does not make fully clear. What is
completely clear is what he said in that moment,
not, I believe you now, not, you were right
and I was wrong. Thomas looked at Jesus and
said, my Lord and my God. That is the most complete
declaration of faith in the entire gospel of
John, not Peters, not Mary Magdalene. Thomas,
the doubter, the one who demanded proof, spoke
the clearest. most explicit acknowledgement
of Jesus' full divine identity that any disciple
ever uttered. The man who asked the hardest
question gave the most complete answer. After
the Pentecost, the disciples scattered to spread
what they had witnessed. The known world was
divided among them. India fell to Thomas. Thomas
said no. He said he was not healthy enough.
He said a Hebrew man could not teach Indians.
He said he was not the right person for this.
This is the same man who once said, let us also
go that way so we may die with him. Now he
is saying not India, anyone but India. What
finally moved him is one of the stranger details
in this story. And it arrived in a way Thomas
almost certainly did not see coming. A merchant
named Abanese arrived in Jerusalem on behalf
of an Indian king who wanted a skilled builder.
According to the early tradition, Jesus appeared
to hit this merchant and arrange for Thomas
to go with him. So essentially sold as a slave
to ensure he made the trip. And so Thomas,
well, he found himself on a boat he never chose,
headed toward a country he never planned to
see. Thomas was on his way to India whether
he wanted to go or not. He arrived on the southwestern
coast of India, the region now called Kerala,
around 52 AD. Picture what that journey meant.
There were no roads connecting Jerusalem to
Kerala, no maps of the route, no previous missionary
had ever gone there. He traveled by sea along
established trade lanes, but making that journey
as a single man with no institutional support,
no money, no connections in the country he
was heading to. That is just not a small thing.
He preached in a land where no one had ever
heard the name of Jesus. He built seven churches
along the Malabar coast. He baptized prominent
local families. He established what became one
of the oldest continuous Christian communities
in the world. The St. Thomas Christians. who
still exist in Kerala today, numbering in the
millions. He was martyred around 72 AD on a
hill outside the city now called Chennai, stabbed
with a spear while he was at prayer. He had
been in India for 20 years. 3000 miles from
Jerusalem, the man who said, not India, buried
in India for 2000 years. Alright, back on the
porch. The thing I keep returning to with Thomas
is what happened immediately after the demand
for proof. The moment most people stopped the
Thomas said, show me Jesus showed him. And
Thomas responded with the most complete declaration
of faith in the gospel. We treat the demand
as the failure, but the demand was not the end
of the story. The demand was the honest place
Thomas had to start from before he could arrive
at where he ended up. And notice something.
Jesus did not shame him for it. He did not say,
Thomas, I am disappointed in you. He did not
say, look at the other disciples and see how
they believed. He came back. Jesus came back
specifically. for the one who had not yet seen.
He showed up the second time with Thomas's
exact requirements in mind. Now, that tells
you something about how God handles honest
doubt. The doubter went to India. The man who
said, show me, became the apostle of a nation.
The person his sister rebranded as weak in faith
traveled further and stayed longer than almost
any of the others. If we are being real about
it, there are things about my own faith I still
hold with something closer to Thomas's stance
and say St. Peter's. Things I'm still working
through. Questions I have not finished asking.
And honestly, there are moments where I wonder
if that disqualifies me from being the person
doing the show. Like I should have it more
together than I do. So I've actually been thinking
about doing a special episode on this, maybe
a short series. Just on the subject of doubt.
My own struggles with it. People I know in
their struggles. Heck, maybe yours. How we are
handling it. Fighting through it. Growing from
it. But that is for another time. What I will
say right now is this. Thomas did not have
it together in that room. And Jesus came back
specifically for him and then sent him further
than anyone else went. So the practical challenge
this week, what is the honest question you
have been afraid to ask because you think asking
it means you do not believe name it, ask it.
Thomas asked his in front of everyone and the
answer he got was worth every moment of the
asking. And now it is time for the closing prayer.
Lord, thank you for Thomas. Thank you that
you showed up the second time specifically
for the one who wasn't there the first time
that you did not move on without him, that you
looked right at him and said, put your hand
here, see for yourself for everyone listening,
who is waiting for something they have not
yet seen. Remind them that Thomas waited eight
days and You came back that the question did
not disqualify him, that the demand for proof
was not the end of the story. was the beginning
of one of the most remarkable journeys in the
history of the early church. And for anyone
who has been carrying the nickname doubter because
they asked a hard question, remind them where
Thomas ended up 3000 miles away. building something
that is still standing 2000 years later. We
love you even when we are still waiting to
see. Amen. And as always, one more thing before
we go. Thomas is the patron saint of India for
obvious reasons. He is also the patron saint
of architects and builders because tradition
holds he was a skilled craftsman before Jesus
called him. One story from his time in India
has him promising to build a palace for a local
king, then spending the money on the poor instead.
When the king found out he was furious, Thomas
told him the palace was being built in heaven.
Now, whether that story is literally true
or not, it does capture who Thomas was. A man
who took the long view in everything he did.
He is also the patron saint of doubters. The
man who demanded proof became the intercessor
for everyone still in that place of honest,
not yet belief. His feast day is July 3rd.
The Basilica of St. Thomas and Chennai, India,
built over the traditional site of his tomb,
draws thousands of pilgrims on that day. A church
built on the grave of a man who said, not India,
who went anyway, who never came home. There
are roughly 20 million St. Thomas Christians
in India today, tracing their faith back to
52 AD, to one reluctant man, who got on a boat
and went where he did not want to go and did
not stop until he had no more road left to
walk. Well, that is episode 11 of Everyday Saints.
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name you have probably never heard and a courage
that is going to surprise you. I'm John O'Connor.
Thanks for sitting on the porch with me and
I will see you next week.