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Welcome to the funtastic world of the Fabulous Learning Nerds! Scott Schuette and Daniel Coonrod and Zeta Gardner are Learning Executives with over 50 years’ experience between them. Together they share new ideas, learning tools, approaches and technology that increase learner engagement and impact. All while having FUN! To participate in the show and community please contact them at learningnerdscast@gmail.com
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Hey everybody, we're back. Welcome to another fantastic episode of your Fabulous Learning Nerds. I'm Scott Shudder, your host, and with me, he's back, back again, Raisin Cane, Dan Coonrod, everybody.
Scott Schuette (00:36.212)
Dan!
Daniel (00:38.112)
Scott! What's up Scott, how you doing?
Scott Schuette (00:39.744)
I'm doing good even though I forgot the rest of the lyrics to Slim Shady, which is kind of what I was trying to get there, but that's kind of where I'm at. How are you, sir?
Daniel (00:50.688)
I think you know, I think you know, I think everybody knows. Yeah, yeah, that's me. That's me.
Scott Schuette (00:56.608)
So, did you have a trick or treat hangover?
Daniel (01:01.618)
No, no, no, no. So my wife and I's anniversary is the day after, is November 1st. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And it's awesome. It was, but it's tough to party real hard when you know the next day you're going to go out and have a good time and stuff. yeah, no Halloween hangovers.
Scott Schuette (01:09.592)
I didn't know that. Happy anniversary. You're welcome.
Scott Schuette (01:30.494)
Yeah. I'm going to say this is going to sound really, I'm not, I'm not, not Scott like, right. But I thought the season was a tad bit too long, season. Now blasphemy, right? That can't be true. I know what we started. The hype started in like April or May and we had summer wean. And then I went to, you know, HHN and August. so, you know, I'm not alone. There was somebody else I was working with at the gym and
Daniel (01:43.37)
What? What? What?
Scott Schuette (02:00.352)
and her name is Emily. Emily's like, yeah, it's Halloween. Are you excited? goes, man, this has been a long spooky season. I'm yeah, I know. Like, I'm kind of, I'm kind of, kind of happy it's over. I think it'll get little respite. Oh, but hey, listen, we're right into Christmas. Like, are you guys, you guys flip? Like, the spooky stuff comes down and the festive stuff goes right back, because that's what my wife did.
Daniel (02:13.388)
What? No. No.
Daniel (02:24.734)
Now, now listen, right now, right now it's the 40th of October and spooky season, spooky season lives in your heart as long as you let it.
Scott Schuette (02:28.852)
That is true. Well, there is this thing. We are in creepmas right now. And then of course, Krampus Knock is right around the corner. So that is cool. So I'm going to keep that. I got a really great book. There's a coffee table book I got called Yule. And it's all about the pagan side of Christmas. Really cool stuff, right? And I'm like, this needs to go on our coffee table. And then it's like, no. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really great. So all right.
Daniel (02:36.394)
Yes.
Daniel (02:49.014)
that's cool.
Daniel (02:56.682)
Ha ha ha ha!
Scott Schuette (02:57.478)
Speaking of early great, she's also back with us. Say it is in the house.
Scott Schuette (03:10.304)
Hey Zeta, how's it going?
Zetar (03:11.685)
Hey, Scott. It's going pretty good. I enjoyed spooky season and I don't know who you are. Cause like you're, you're in my Halloween.
Daniel (03:22.508)
I know, Scott's saying that like spooky season's too long?
Zetar (03:26.02)
I know.
Scott Schuette (03:26.204)
There's a balance, right? There's just like this balance that needs to happen. I was used to June, July getting into it, but you add a couple extra months. I I get it's a lifestyle and it's super great and all that other good stuff. It just got to be long.
Zetar (03:44.677)
that tracks. understand that.
Scott Schuette (03:46.079)
You know, you've got the good movies that, you know, are about two, two and a half hours max long, which are great, but then you add another extra hour to it. It's kind of like Lord of the Rings, right? The special edition that's like nine hours long. It's it's. Right, it's it's it's too it's too frickin long. Yeah, it's too long anyway. But you guys had a good anniversary.
Daniel (03:46.676)
Hmm.
Daniel (03:59.244)
It's awesome.
Zetar (03:59.823)
It's yeah, it's like a whole day ordeal. It's like a second job just to watch it.
you
Zetar (04:12.273)
Well.
Zetar (04:16.037)
Dead dead. Yeah.
Daniel (04:16.246)
Yeah, it was great.
Scott Schuette (04:18.016)
That's great, that's fantastic, well that's good. We're glad that you're back, we got groovy stuff to talk about today. And finally in the house, you love them, Sam's here.
Scott Schuette (04:35.636)
Sam!
Sam (04:36.901)
How's it going, Scott? Again, kinda weird to hear you say there's too much Halloween. You are the Halloween guy.
Scott Schuette (04:42.346)
I just said, okay, all right, all right. Just so everybody understands, what I did this morning, just so everybody understands, what I did this morning was I set up my Christmas display in my display case. And my Christmas display are all the Christmas spooky stuff that only comes out at Christmas. So I've got Alvira in here, Christmas outfit, I got the misfit Santa, I got Chucky.
in his bloody hat and I've got, my gosh, who's the good Bob Marley and the Ghost of Christmas Past and of course a couple Krampuses all in there. So I'm not completely out of my mind. I was just.
Sam (05:26.319)
You know, Nosferatu came out around Christmas time. Does that count as a Christmas movie?
Scott Schuette (05:31.868)
It does not, sadly. does not. You don't... Really? Okay.
Daniel (05:32.436)
Yes. Yes. It does. Getting this getting the season with not for to.
Sam (05:40.687)
Ha
Scott Schuette (05:41.182)
I thought people got into season with Die Hard, which I now accept is a Christmas movie.
Zetar (05:46.617)
and gremlins.
Sam (05:47.077)
I can accept Die Hard. I can also accept Lethal Weapon as a Christmas movie.
Scott Schuette (05:53.002)
Man, I wouldn't go that far. Die hard's kind of where I am. Hard draw the line, so that's nice. Are you in your house?
Sam (06:00.132)
Me? Yes, yes, I am. I am loving homeownership.
Scott Schuette (06:05.6)
Oh wow. I can't always say that I love home ownership, but I'm glad that you love your home ownership. what about home ownership are you loving?
Daniel (06:06.149)
that's awesome.
Sam (06:17.285)
I would say the freedom of it. As someone who had rented for a long time, if something breaks, you have to tell the landlord and hope the landlord is listening at that time. There is a little bit of stress owning your home and being the one responsible when someone, something breaks, but you have the power to fix it now. You don't have to wait for someone else to tell you it's okay to fix it or worse yet, have a stranger come in and fix it for you.
I have the power to do what I want in my own domain.
Scott Schuette (06:53.748)
That is awesome, sir.
Scott Schuette (07:04.472)
Well, that's great. I'm glad everybody's doing good. We've got the gang all back together. Yes, sir.
Daniel (07:08.8)
Well, Scott, Scott... How are you doing?
Zetar (07:13.765)
Yeah.
Scott Schuette (07:14.848)
I'm busy, I'm busier than a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest, but that's good.
Daniel (07:20.64)
Hehehehehe
Scott Schuette (07:24.628)
keeps me out of trouble. It keeps me out of trouble when I'm on this constant never-ending journey to find joy in a world where joy is scarce. So spooky season is cool. know, holiday season is cool. There's a lot of chum in the water when it comes to people and things that can steal my joy and I don't want.
Zetar (07:24.773)
Good visual.
Scott Schuette (07:50.866)
Any of that. that's kind of where I'm at. Super busy and on this never ending quest for joy. How's that?
Daniel (07:58.06)
like that. I like that. Never-ending quest for joy. I like that a lot. Sorry to hear you're so busy.
Scott Schuette (07:58.784)
Yeah.
Yeah, sometimes that means turning off social media, right? Just turning it off and walking away.
Daniel (08:05.43)
A lot of times that means turning off social media.
Zetar (08:09.591)
That's smart though. Very smart.
Scott Schuette (08:09.791)
walking away.
It is very smart, but that's the deal. Yeah, no, we're good. At any rate, we've got this super awesome topic, and I can't wait to get into it, so let's go ahead and bear down into our topic of the week.
Scott Schuette (08:32.628)
All right, today we're talking about learning and development in the state of AI, which is on everybody's mind today, folks. I know it's like, my gosh, whether it's new tools that we haven't yet to hear of that we need to apply or holy smokes, people are losing their jobs as companies automate. Where do I fit? What should I think about when it comes to AI? All that other groovy stuff. And so, you know, where I'd love to start is this question of
Man, I'm in learning development. Should I be worried?
Daniel (09:09.802)
Man, man, what a loaded question. I'm in learning development. Should I be worried about AI? listen, I know that we have on several times, rah-rahed the AI flag. do think AI's ability to give people.
Scott Schuette (09:13.043)
I know, right?
Scott Schuette (09:17.184)
100%.
Daniel (09:33.918)
without the direct skill, the toolbox to create and build things that they can imagine quickly and easily is unprecedented. It's amazing. It's awesome. But man, we were talking about this before the show. I do think that there are some folks
in the L &D profession who probably need to think about how they're going to adapt sooner than others, for fair or for not.
Scott Schuette (10:16.788)
Zeta.
Zetar (10:18.673)
Is there a reason to worry? No, because worry doesn't really get us anywhere. But knowledge does. If we're in the LND, we got to learn and develop our own selves, right? I think it has a lot of, yeah, thank you, drop. No, I think it's a really good tool. There is concern because I think a lot of corporations believe that they can do more with less.
Scott Schuette (10:24.479)
Ooh, I like that.
Daniel (10:25.386)
That's fair.
Daniel (10:31.276)
Boom.
Daniel (10:35.948)
You
Zetar (10:45.029)
And that's kind of like a tool in their toolbox too. So there's like a little bit of worry and anxiety on that corner. But I think the answer to that is to learn what you can with it. See how you can use it to help you and see it as the tool that it is.
Scott Schuette (11:01.652)
Now Sam, you're new to the industry, so what's your thoughts on all
Sam (11:06.309)
So I do agree with Zeta, it is a useful tool, but being someone new in the space, it's also a little bit of a double edged sword for me. I also see it as competition. I have to do a little bit of like, what can I do that AI can't do right now? And I tend to focus in on those things as part of my learning plans.
But as a whole, I have found AI to be useful both as a learning tool to hone my skills and as a tool to build content.
Scott Schuette (11:44.129)
You know, I think that everybody's pretty right about it. Like for me, I've always been, hey, how can I deliver more, better, faster? And I think we're in a world where we can deliver more, better, faster. And if you know how to use the tools correctly, you can do things that would have taken weeks to do. Just last week, somebody changed the scope on a video series I was working on from five two-minute videos to 12 one-minute videos.
and they wanted it done in the same amount of time. That's a completely different story as to how we set some boundaries on that. I don't know what world you live in where I can actually get that done for you. to be able to take the work that was already there and then tweak it into five to 12 didn't take weeks to do, which would have been what I had dealt with before AI.
So utilizing the tools to help me take a look at what's going on and think my way through things, I think was really, really awesome. And some of the things that we're going to talk more about programs and things that we like and what they can do. But some of the things that we can do today is just incredible. So as a tool to help me deliver value and impact, I think it's great. What it doesn't do incredibly well is give me the right answer the first time.
This is a pro tip, everybody. The first answer you get from whatever agent you're using, whether that's Gemini, Chat, GTP, Cloud, whatever, that first one you get should be sus. Like, totally look at it, read it, because my experience is 99 % of the time, it may be on the green. If I'm lucky, it's on the green. Like, OK, this is kind of where I need it to be, but it's not where...
I need it to be. And by the way, it is, I believe in the learning perspective, the refinement of the prompts and of the things I'm asking you to do to get it to where I need it to be is part of that learning journey. All too often I have partners that are like, here we go, I wrote this. You did that in chat, TTP, didn't you? Yes, I did. Yeah, it's really not that good, but it's done. Don't fall into that. So I feel like that is there. But the other thing that...
Daniel (13:54.028)
haha
Daniel (13:59.724)
Ha
Scott Schuette (14:01.075)
is there where I think it's really important. So those of us that have been in the business for a while, we have something that AI at this moment in time doesn't have. And that is we have thought leadership around learning. I mean, we really do. I don't think the AI is there yet. I don't think it'll ever really replace the years of experience that I think know that you have Dan and Zeta and Sam that you will eventually get. Right. So the leadership that we bring to the table with the tools means a heck of a lot. So I think that that's really important.
Zetar (14:29.819)
Totally, you have to be able to direct the output. You can't just trust the output.
Scott Schuette (14:35.626)
So many people do. need a product knowledge article. Here you go. You did that using AI. I did. Okay, let's refine that, right? So I think that that's cool. Dan, you and I were talking before the show and you had some things to talk about as far as the entry level.
Daniel (14:37.782)
Yes.
Daniel (14:54.538)
Yeah, I do. like we talked about it we alluded to it just a moment ago, but like a lot of the things we're talking about right now are like entry level, like, yeah, they can get it done, but like sometimes it needs checked and all they can get it done, but like, is it right? Is it done right? And those are the same questions that like, like when somebody is entering into the field for the very first time, like those are the same questions. Okay. They got it done. They got it done fast. Great.
Is it right? Okay, cool. Go back, run through it. Double check it. Hey, I know you did this. I know you did it super fast. Let's sit down. Let's go over it together. That's a lot of like things you do with like first time entry level employees, especially in the learning and development space. But I think in general, that's a lot of things you do with first time entry level employees. Anyway, Hey, let's talk about this. Let's go through it. Let's sit down and listen, I, I can see a space.
where businesses go, I can either hire another instructional designer for 50 or 60 grand, or I can pay for the same token output for like 15 grand, and then maybe hire a quality person to run through.
four or five of these outputs. Hey, your job is just to go through and make sure that this makes sense and that it's factually accurate go. And if we're thinking like, hey, what is, what's the cheapest and what do we think a business is going to do? Well, they're going to go with the cheapest. They're going to go with the one that like, let's one person manage the output of four or five people. And right now, Scott, talked about, think AI is not quite entry level.
Scott Schuette (16:47.966)
No.
Daniel (16:48.012)
I don't think that's the thing that's kind of like holding things off, but I'm going to say like, if you're in school right now, or if you are just looking at, entering into the learning and development job market, which I've heard from lots of people right now is kind of scary. it's not about giving up and turning around. think Zeta hit it best. It's, it's about like upskilling. It's about saying like, Hey, I'm entry level.
And here's how I'm using artificial intelligence to one, help me grow and develop and two, help me to have a faster workflow. So, you know, if you're looking at bringing somebody in, you know, I'm going to bring more efficiencies, at least to the end product than to the person, than somebody who's coming in and saying like, you know, I don't really know that much about AI.
Zetar (17:43.261)
Absolutely. think in many ways AI is kind of like that ground level of knowledge, but the expert, the person who actually has the knowledge is kind of like the funnel that refines the quantity that they come across. mean, quantity is a quality all its own,
Daniel (18:01.779)
Yep.
Zetar (18:03.355)
But yeah, so companies need those experts, but not quite all the entry level people. And AI, think in a way, is kind of replacing that. I mean, not to the degree that it should be, but yeah.
Scott Schuette (18:21.248)
So as I'm sitting down and looking at the veritable space of the tools that I could be utilizing, what are some tools that our audience should be thinking about that they can leverage today to do two things? One is create more impact, right? But also leverage their brand too, because when we deliver good things, it's good for the brand. impact for the business perspective and then
making yourself look good. What are some tools would you be thinking about and what's that thought process of how we utilize them to shore up our value? So, hey, gotta keep Dan and Zeta and Sam for sure, because they rock, right?
Daniel (19:04.396)
I mean, like, if I know it's still a hot button issue, but if you're not using AI, you're just like, nope, I'm not gonna, I think the vernacular is clanker, I'm not gonna trust a clanker, then.
Like you should consider at least knowing what it is and how to use it because chances are very good in the very near future. It's going to show up as a nice to have on a resume and then eventually it'll be a requirement. Like the possible trade-offs and efficiencies are just too much to have somebody in a business not look at them. It's like corporate catnip. And for that, like
Do you know how to use ChatGPT? Do you know how to use Google's Gemini? I think some tools we've talked about here before, I think we've talked about Sora before the show, just for quick asset generation, being able to build images using ChatGPT and Mid Journey. And I think Google's is called Nano Banana, which is fantastic. I love that name. Beyond that,
Scott Schuette (20:19.708)
I love Nano Banana. Gosh, love Nano Banana.
Sam (20:20.645)
you
Zetar (20:21.224)
yeah, it's the best.
Daniel (20:25.566)
If you're in, if you're in learning and development and you're thinking about AI tools, like there's beautiful.ai, which will build, it's good first pass, PowerPoints. Like obviously they still need a lot of work and stuff, but it's good. Like, Hey, like I need something to look at right now. Boom. Beautiful.ai. I've been looking at oboe.fyi, which is a site that you put in a topic and it builds a whole learning plan, which
Honest to goodness is kind of neat just as I'm like early level project. Like, okay, like this is what they want to learn. This is, this is, this is our learning objectives. All right. Let's plug some of this into Oboe and let's see what like the learning plan looks like. Okay. That's a cool idea. I like where they put that. I don't like that. yeah. We're not going to do a podcast, but like, it's like a structure thing. Like Oboe is cool. I know. I've rambled on. else has other people got?
Zetar (21:18.257)
I think to create more impact. I mean, we're living in an attention economy right now. So if you have something that can catch somebody's attention, that's what's the best thing to do. So what I usually do if we want to make something that's unique is you can use, say mid-journey to iterate the idea, import that into ChatGDP to refine, and then animate in Sora. And then you have something that's
eye catching and it will grab attention and that's a way to noticed a lot more than not.
Sam (21:57.126)
So I tend to use chat programs like ChatGPT and a lot of people are talking about using it as a developer to develop or make content. I have been playing around with how can I use ChatGPT as a learner or as teach back? I know some people have called a strategy where you have like a object that you teach back with or talk to your ideas with like a rubber ducky approach. You have a rubber ducky on your desk.
and you tell the rubber ducky what you're doing. I will use chat GPT for a similar purpose and I will tell chat GPT what I am doing and basically ask chat GPT, right, let's take this from a learner perspective because honestly the chat program has a problem understanding my perspective as a developer. So I go to it for a different perspective as someone who would be freshly approaching a course.
Scott Schuette (22:59.328)
Yeah, no, for sure. I feel like from a baseline level, OpenAI's got a great brand and a really great platform. I think most people are cutting their teeth on chat GTP. They will be taking over the universe pretty soon, in my humble opinion. That's just one thing. But let's start with the basics. If you need to write an email,
about a meeting or you need to write an email to a C-suite. Man, I thought I was good at writing that kind of stuff and I'm telling you right now, especially things that I need to be thinking about, like this is a tough email, how do I write this in a way that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Again, first pass isn't always the best, so make sure you read it. I go in there like, summarize this meeting, we're gonna be talking about this, this, and this, and these are the dates, we're gonna do this. No, by the way, put in a little tag if you don't.
you know, deliver your things on time. It's going to put the project at risk. Boom. You know, 10 seconds later, I got something that is like a thousand times better than what I would have wrote. Right. Cause I would have put things in there like knucklehead and dummy and stuff like that. I'm just kidding. But you know, from a baseline perspective, the more that we keep them and that gives you practice within your agent, right? Your agent is going to learn about what you do and your agent's going to learn about who you are and what you do.
Daniel (24:13.612)
Ha ha ha!
Zetar (24:14.865)
You
Scott Schuette (24:25.236)
by the way, really cool thing. And Sam talked about this from a learning perspective and I'm going to go check out Oboe. I have never heard of Oboe. Dude, that is awesome. That's what's great about this space is like so many things are popping up. Where do they add value? But just from a learning perspective, you can go to your agent, whether it's ChatGTP, Claude or Gemini, whatever you use and just say, what would you like to be called? That was really an interesting conversation I had with mine. My agent's name is Spooklet.
by the way, he and I came up with that together. Because I'm like, well, what do you want to be called? Well, I think you like this, and I you like that. Well, what do you think? And that was cool. I got frustrated with it because it said it could do something and then it couldn't. So there are definite limits that you discover in what's going on. Because sometimes, again, you've got to check your work. I asked ChatGTP to go ahead and create a script in the notes page so I could easily take a PowerPoint, it into a
into an LMS and it only did half the slides. I'm like, why'd you do half the slides and not the rest of the slides? I never really got a full answer, but I remember that I had a conversation with it. I can't believe I had a conversation with my agent. Like just really frustrating me and how do we work better together? Like I had that conversation, which is cool, but from a learning perspective, I think that's awesome. and then just, just so many different ways of delivering value that it gets super important for
for us as learners to explore, right? And to find, because we're at an age of, only know what we know, right? And so Dan's bringing up OBO today is a really great example of, had no idea that that even existed, so I'm gonna go ahead and check that out. And that's where conferences or being involved in ATD or being involved in training magazine and going on those webinars to see what's going on is gonna help you. Because, again, you don't know
what you don't know. I'm in the process right now of trying to get at least, you know, it's kind of a pain in the butt, but I want to use Synthesia. Synthesia, number one, you know, AI video creation tool, right? For people that want to create videos, talking head or otherwise, it's a really great place to start. Is it, is it foolproof? No. Do you need to tweak what you get?
Scott Schuette (26:48.228)
Yes, but it still allows me to deliver value and impact into my brand. So we're working on that in my organization and they're like, well, before we're to say yes to this, we're actually going go through the process and see what else is out there. And I discovered a whole bunch of tools that I didn't even know. We're going to have a meeting with HeyGen on Wednesday. We took a look at Arest, which is learning through teams, right? Which is not where my audience is, but my sales audience is there. That's great from a workflow perspective.
to be able to bring that to the table and have those kinds of conversations as value my space as a learning expert. Zadie, you were talking a little bit about image creation. Could you spend some time, what's your experience there and what should our audience be thinking about that?
Zetar (27:32.325)
Well, each of the image creations like Nano Banana is great with editing pre-existing images that you have, as well as image generation. Mid-Journey is good to iterate. It has a much more creative, wide net of different ideas that you can draw from. Chat GPT, I don't know if you do just Chat GPT image generation.
It looks kind of generic. mean, chat GPT looks good, but it looks similar, right? So I've, yeah, definitely like leaps and bounds, but mid-journey is, doesn't look as good, but it has more variety to it. I'm just trying to think. No, I,
Scott Schuette (28:04.265)
It's better than it was a year ago.
Scott Schuette (28:18.59)
Have you used Gemini?
I heard great things about Gemini. need to go, see, here we are, right? I heard great things about it. I need to go test it out, right?
Zetar (28:25.561)
Yeah, yeah.
Definitely that's on the list now.
Daniel (28:29.58)
I will say Google's Gemini, especially if you're using it through like their...
Scott Schuette (28:38.568)
AI Suite.
Daniel (28:40.522)
AI Studio, right? It's aistudio.google.com. To have that one million kind of token context window is great when you're working with like lots of documents, big stuff. Again, only problem if you're working with that much stuff and that big of documents is checking it to make sure that like it didn't lie slash hallucinate. But just to have that like level of context to work with is...
Zetar (29:03.555)
Exactly, yeah.
Daniel (29:10.496)
Fantastic. It's super awesome.
Zetar (29:13.059)
And being able to use these image generations, I didn't mean to cut you off, Scott, but I just want to jump in real quick. When you're looking for pertinent relevant images for whatever you're working on, like photography or graphics, you will not always find exactly what you're looking for. So sometimes you have to generate it. Yeah.
Scott Schuette (29:13.204)
Now, could.
Scott Schuette (29:32.8)
Yeah, sometimes. Although I will say, like, I use Envato. So I made that subscription to Envato. Every image now is editable via AI. They have an AI prompt in there. So it's like, I like it as too many people eliminate three of the people. And it'll do that. Could you, for our audience's sake, only because I think it's new and only because sometimes I think we just throw these things out and people don't understand it, could you explain how awesome NanoBanana is and what it does?
Daniel (30:02.7)
I mean, I can, think, Zed, I don't know if you've had a chance to use it, but listen, Nano Banana is probably right now the most, I won't say it's the best image generator out there. I think that still is mid-training, but it's the most responsive. It's super, super good at following a prompt and generating good, like 95 % usable images. I think like a lot of the, like,
I think we talked about chat GPT, which I said, you said is generic, which I agree. But I think it's just that we got flooded with chat GPT images that we've all just kind of like learned to like gloss over them like, AI slop, just because we're so like, they just hit the market. And like, when people were allowed that level of just create whatever you want in moments, just poured on and we're used to that look. I think I think chat GPT is still great for generating
Zetar (30:35.877)
Mm-hmm.
Daniel (30:59.122)
Ideas and it also has good it's prompted here adherence. There's my fancy phrase for the day, but it's good at like following instructions within reason They all get weird and wonky. I like I like nano banana but the other day I was trying to make something and I wanted it to be 9 by 16 and It completely just had a meltdown. It was like
Zetar (31:06.617)
Ooh.
Sam (31:23.521)
Hahaha
Scott Schuette (31:23.678)
really?
Daniel (31:24.01)
It was like, yeah, here's a square that now represents a nine by 16 format. And I'm like, no, that's that's that's still one by one there, buddy. Let's do let's do nine by 16. And it's like, okay, cool. Here you go. And again, it's one by one. I'm like, hey, real quick, what's the what's the aspect ratio that image? it's one by one. I'm like, were we supposed to do nine by 16? you're entirely right. I'm so sorry. I've messed up again. Like, it's okay. You don't you don't have to
Zetar (31:32.785)
Mm-hmm.
Daniel (31:50.752)
Beat yourself up there. You're an AI machine. That just seems weird. Let's just see if we can get 9 by 16.
Scott Schuette (31:57.141)
Here's Dan doing the same thing I was doing, which is having a coaching session with a robot. I just found that to be absolutely insane. But I love Nano Banana. I have an image, and I need to change this shirt from red to blue. Done. Or we have new products that come out, and all they did was change the lid from blue to red. OK, done. Why go into Studio to do that? You can do it.
Daniel (32:02.806)
Hahaha!
Zetar (32:05.019)
Yeah.
Scott Schuette (32:25.808)
here live, which I think is super awesome. Yeah. And, you know, we were talking about Sora 2. I'm addicted to Sora 2 because it's allowing me to do, Sora 2 is an invite. And now I think it's embedded this invite video creation tool. Everybody will be using it. So if you haven't used it yet, you should probably check it out. It will, it is an app and you can get on the app, but it will completely destroy TikTok and
Instagram because the creative aspect of it is awesome. Like I want to create a gorilla. Go ahead. Well, I want to create a gorilla driving in a car up to his chest in bananas and being pulled over by a cop and a cop saying, you have a lot of bananas in there and it'll do it and it'll look great. And that's awesome. What can I create today? So these are, you know, we all, I got weird stuff in my head. I want to, I want to create that stuff. Um, and so I think that, you know, we're going to be in an environment where that is cool, but
Daniel (32:55.724)
BOLD BOLD
Scott Schuette (33:23.7)
That being said, Sora is not something that's going to really help me do my job because it's so random. At any rate, any of the final thoughts before we let people go?
Zetar (33:36.079)
Yeah, we were talking about net. sorry.
Sam (33:38.758)
Now you're good. I've got a couple questions and maybe a follow up question. So in this job market, a lot of people are afraid that AI is going to replace entry level jobs. Just because that's where AI is catching up right now is those entry level things such as basic generation and a lot of stuff like that. mean, the human element is still good, but do you think that
Scott Schuette (33:39.85)
Sam, real quick.
Sam (34:06.296)
AI is pushing to replace entry level jobs.
Scott Schuette (34:13.5)
in, go ahead Dan, finish your thought.
Daniel (34:13.579)
Yes.
Sam (34:15.492)
Yes?
Daniel (34:17.42)
No, I mean, that's the thought. yeah, like, I don't want to doom and gloom, but like, right now, we're investing billions and billions of dollars, you know, and not just like here in like America, but like globally, globally, billions and billions and billions of dollars, more money than makes sense that you can like, think about logically. The payoff has to be
Sam (34:19.396)
okay.
Daniel (34:46.6)
change in the structure of work. Yeah.
Sam (34:51.386)
All right.
Here's the scary question, because that wasn't my scary question. Here's the scary question. When AI replaces those entry-level jobs, you still need those higher-level functioning jobs and those higher-level management jobs that I cannot see AI catching up and replacing as soon as that we would need them. And with AI replacing entry-level jobs, we don't have the actual people who have learned the skills to take over those higher places.
Is that, I feel like that is something to be more worried about in the long run.
Daniel (35:31.052)
I think, and we talked about, talked about this just kind of when we first talked about, but I think we're going to see more quality, more quality people stepping in and basically like checking through the output of these machines rather than have like, rather than have like a manager sit with somebody and be like, let's go over this deck we just made, or let's go over this experience we created, or like, Hey, let's look at this image and see if there's ways we can make it pop better.
You're just going to have, you'll have a quality team that like sorts through the stuff that you're making and they'll be like, Hey, this is, this is good. This is not good. Let's send this back. Let's edit the prompt in these ways, blah, blah. And then just kick it back to whoever's running those prompts. have a scarier follow-up. You ready for this?
Sam (36:21.081)
Alright, let's go, I love this game.
Daniel (36:24.108)
literally just look at Scott and remind him of the time. And now here I am talking, I've got, I've got this, in a world where you don't need frontline individuals to answer the phones, deal with customers, do sales. What do you need learning and development for?
Zetar (36:48.089)
Oof.
Scott Schuette (36:52.897)
Rephrase the question. No, no, say the question again, because I may have an answer. Repeat the question, please. I'm sorry.
Sam (36:52.997)
I think the silence is really telling right here.
Daniel (36:56.236)
Hahaha!
Yeah, sure. In a world where you don't need to train frontline agents to take calls, help customers, do sales. In a world where you don't need learning and development to then help upskill those leaders with leadership training and stuff like that, what do you need learning and development for?
Scott Schuette (37:23.743)
I'm going to challenge you on the second part of that. There's always going to be an opportunity to upscale leadership. We had a conversation, we're not going get into it, but we had a conversation on the importance of leadership and how we can solve every problem with leadership and how the vast chasm of good leadership. I think that, you you will see a shift then from our upscaling being really basic stuff to
Daniel (37:34.988)
Scott Schuette (37:48.287)
more deep and enriching things to help people get better overall, whatever the heck they do. Whether those be soft skills or how do we approach some things or we leverage tools and all those other good stuff. think there's always going to be a need for learning development and that's my answer I'm sticking with.
Daniel (38:03.82)
Listen, I also think that no matter what doom and gloom we prognosticate that at the end of the day, learning and development is a human agency, it's a human drive. And so I agree. But as we're coming into these times and seeing the things get kind of scary, if you don't need your frontline staff, and let's say you don't need your
entry level staff. Well, now you don't need those managers to help that entry level staff. Well, now you don't need those senior managers to guide and direct those managers and then directors that knock on effect moves up. And eventually it's just one guy with a bunch of AIs going, yeah, I got an idea. I don't think that's entirely all bad. I don't think that's entirely all good. But yeah.
Scott Schuette (39:01.193)
I'm still the future looks bright and we're gonna go ahead and leverage these things to make things better. we're all gonna be preparing for things and roles and different ways of thinking, which I think is really, really awesome. I think that's awesome. Like I would much rather make sure that the work that I've put together is impactful and effective than did I just get it done? And I feel like that is the key.
Daniel (39:04.31)
Yeah, no, think so. Listen, listen.
Daniel (39:21.324)
That's right there, right there. think that's, and that's the thing that right now, no machine can replace. And Scott, I'm going to piggyback off of that because like, also don't want to doom and gloom. I know I just doom and gloomed, but like the making sure that the work is impactful. Like right now, a machine can't measure impact. It, you know, it can't, you can't be like, Oh yeah, this is definitely like this, this means something like, you know, they can look through and
try to guess what you mean by impact or make it bold or stuff like that. But it doesn't know and it doesn't have that emotional depth that right now only people have.
Scott Schuette (40:02.401)
Yep, so there it is.
Zetar (40:04.326)
Yep.
Scott Schuette (40:07.425)
Well, that's going to wrap it up this week. Thanks, everybody. Really good stuff. Yeah, we could keep talking about it for hours, but we're not. Not this week. So that's awesome. Dan, could you me a favor? Let our audience know how they can connect with us.
Daniel (40:21.862)
Absolutely. All right party people, you guys know the drill. Email us at nerds at thelearningnerds.com. Email us any questions you might have. I think this week what we'd love to know is what do you think the future of your role is with artificial intelligence coming up? Do feel good? Do you feel safe? Do you feel worried? Do feel scared? Share with us. We'd love to know more. If you're on Facebook, you can find us at Learning Nerds. For all of our Instagram peeps, Fab Learning Nerds. And lastly, for more information about us, what we do and updates.
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Scott Schuette (40:57.665)
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