The American Military Brit

In this episode Air Force Staff Sergeant Moses Walters talks about his experiences in the Air Force culminating in why he wants to stay in for 20 years.

What is The American Military Brit?

Real talk about real life in the United States military.

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This is the American military Britt,

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shedding light on the realities of military life. Now, here's your host, US Air Force Staff Sergeant Christopher Clark. Hello, and welcome to the American military Brit podcast. This is a podcast where we talk to different military members to figure out the full story about the military, not just the rumors, but the actual story from those who were there and took part in military service.

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Okay, welcome to the American military Brett podcast. So there's another I've got another guest here today, Moses Walters who's going to be talking about his Air Force experience. So he did intelligence with me for a little bit over in England, it was only for like a year, I think I got back from my deployment in Jordan it was and then that was when we met each other because you I guess, got to Lakenheath while I was deployed. So yeah, just to the audience, the very few listeners that we have listening to this podcast, just kind of explained to them like who you are, what you do, and things of that nature. Yeah. So first of all, thanks for having me. Moses Walters, like he said, I'm an Air Force. I served with Chris overseas and England awakening.

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And, yeah, I've been in for about 11 years.

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I still somehow love it. Obviously. There's frustrations, right, but who doesn't have those? And yeah, I'm an analysts. And really, I just do a lot of talking to crowds, if you want to put it that way. So yeah, and then talk about your, your job right now. I know, it definitely frustrates you a lot now, but like what is yeah, what what is the deal with that job right now? I think the biggest thing is the fact that you know, likely for so high pace,

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high ops tempo. And coming to a base where it's advertised, as you know, like a test base, Scott, like going wrong, a lot of aircraft, a lot of things to be involved with and at the squadron that I'm with right now, not really, as involved as I would like to be. And that's nothing that the squadron can do about that. Right? I mean, it's all about mission requirements, but it's just as frustrating man, like, I don't really have a lot of responsibilities like I used to. So yeah, and that's funny, because that reminds me of the last podcast that I did with, with grant and we were talking about how, with the job intelligence, it's good to kind of see the fruits of your labor, if that's like the same, like, it's nice to see, like, what you're doing is making a difference and to be like involved and even though it's stressful, like Korea, for example, was really, really stressful, really high paced, but it was nice to get praise from leadership and be like, you know, see that the fact that your mission planning is kind of absolutely good for what they want sort of thing, so I couldn't agree. Yeah, so and, and the same with Lakenheath, as well. Lakenheath was, it was it was fast paced, but then again, it was a whole lot of I feel like it was a lot of stress for nothing. A lot of stressful nothing at home. Yeah, absolutely. Everybody realizes that when you leave.

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Okay, so let's talk about the kind of your basic training and your tech school experience because I'm always interested to, to hear about people's experiences in that realm, because I went to so I went to basic training in 2011. I think you you went before me. I was I left for basic training on 28. December 2010 2000.

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Oh, so you Wow. So you were there during? Oh, no, you must have left because I got there in July of 2011. Okay, so you left like just before I got there. Wow. Because I was thinking that would have been weird. The same time. But yeah, like when you went to basic, so it was still like eight and a half weeks and all that stuff. And it was all that kind of and then Sarah Oh, cool. Yeah, tech school was six months, all that different stuff. So where did you fly in from for text? Like, where did you were you in Florida? I was in Georgia, Georgia.

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Okay, so it wasn't that bad then. But I would like just kind of talk about basic training and tech school and just, you know, it was pretty much so

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it was weird for me, because I don't think I had the same experience as the majority. So I guess a lot of people were like, I didn't like it. You know, it was it was hard being away from family and I'm just like, I love it. You know, for me, I so we're after, right after high school, right? I try college and

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do it wasn't like I couldn't do the work. I would show up and just take tests. So I get these because I didn't do any of the assignments. These don't really keep you out of academic probation. I didn't learn

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And that until, you know, after, say semester, so it's like, Man, I need to do some tests, like, just one entertaining one gets me out of Georgia.

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I just I don't really love where I'm from. It's okay. But I don't really love it. So the military, right, my cousin's like join Air Force. So I had to wait a year to leave, as compared to the Army and Marines were like, Hey, we can get you $1 A week. One of them's like, four days. So I was like, Nah, wait, because I hear Air Force is way better. And I get to basic, you know, do the flight out there and all that and it was great. I love it. Okay. Okay, so hear me out. I would disagree. Okay. My parents were more strict and most of those empty eyes.

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I met a whole bunch of dudes from whole bunch areas that it just blew my mind. Because I'm like, Oh, I've been to Nebraska. And they're like, have you really been to Nebraska and they're telling me about their upbringing. And I don't know, that kind of stuff just fascinates me. I didn't really get a lot of that from where I'm from. So you either from Georgia or New York, where I'm from, you know what I mean?

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So it was I don't know, I enjoyed it. Man was great. It was a good experience for me. That's funny, because you don't really hear that too often. Mostly like, I mean, basic when you finish basic. You look back and you think oh, that was easy. Yeah, you know, but when you were there, I wanted to leave. I told them in the intro podcast I wanted to leave after like two days. Right? I hate this man. I want to go back. I hate it so much. Like I want to go back because it was something different man. I think you sometimes you adjust, like not well to something that's different because it's like you're not used to it, basically. But what did you do before you left for basic? Then? I I did like a whole bunch of nothing jobs. And that's the thing like you were talking about. You just wanted to get get away from home. Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to do as well. That is exactly why I joined. But I got there. And he was just You just getting yelled at all the time. You don't get any sleep. And don't forget, I came from London all the way to San Antonio. So I'm jet lagged. But I don't even have time to think about being jet lagged. I'm just like, like, oh, Birmingham to London. No, we, we so we went to Lakenheath we stayed the night there. Okay. And then my you know, my, what is it called recruit recruiter saw us off the next morning. He was like, Okay, get on the we got on like a coach or whatever to go to. Well, my mum just kind of waved goodbye to me. And I was off to London and went through the Heathrow Airport. And yeah, flew straight to San Antonio. So that was that was kind of crazy, man. That's it. That's a crazy experience flying across the pond like that. Yeah, but like basic was just kind of just strain to the fire. But when you finish it, it's just like, alright, it was cool. Like I did like the food as well.

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As free, but yeah, exactly. Well, so did you ever have the whole you know, liquor biscuit where your empty eyes like yeah, just eat a biscuit or lick it real quick.

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You know, it's crazy. I don't I don't know what it was. But I would never rush. I would just sit there. Sometimes the dudes would be looking at me with those wide eyes, like you're not going to hurry up. You don't just can't talk, right? And they get up and go and I just be sitting there eating. And like, I felt a couple empty eyes look at me and just kind of like stand behind me. And really, there was a couple of times maybe like literally a couple of times where they're like Hurry up, you know, a real trainee, and I just be like, I'm just gonna eat this because one, they can't force it down my throat. And two can only knock the tray away. So

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I'm not the No, I never actually saw that happen. You know, that's fully once and when I got knocked away from me once and I was just like, okay, and I picked up everything and I left.

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I don't know I so I just the emptyeyes never felt like they got to like the Echelon where my dad said my dad was like super hard on me growing up. And love MINDEF right, my best friend now now but man he was his man. It was it was so hard on me. So like compared to the nt eyes. It didn't really didn't really hurt too much. So like I said, I waited a year Chris. Okay. A year. Do you know what I did for that year? I worked in a barber shop. A barber shop. It was cool. But man, I that was like a wake up call like, Okay, I live in life like this. I gotta do something. Okay, but yeah, basically, yeah, basic was

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was crazy. But like tech school, tech school was long. Like tech school wasn't so much crazy, because you don't really have the MTL is don't really yell at you. Unless you do something really bad. You have to do some really bad. But like tech school for me was just so long and just so draining. Why was it long and draining? Like Well, I get a feeling you had a good experience there. Sounds like

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just like, it was like in between, you know, there's certain days where I was like, oh my god, this is terrible. Or oh, this is great. You

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But it was just, it was just so much work all the time. And like, again, you're you're getting up in your briefing, which I didn't expect doing until they're just like, yeah, you're gonna be briefing all the time. Like what? Okay, and you get up there, and they just criticize every little detail of what you do, because that's what they they're supposed to do. Right? So I mean, I'm curious, why did why was it good for you? I want to know why it was good. So I didn't expect that either. I mean, nobody knows what they expect going into most of these jobs, most of them, right, but especially ours. And I just have like, standing up and briefing in front of like crowds was something I grew up doing, whether it was church, whether it was like school presentation, like I don't know, it just comes naturally to me. So like it was nothing to when they were like you need to get up and breathe. That was the easy part. For me. The annoying part was a group projects where it's like, I don't know what it is about our career field, but it is breeds like these arrogant or just sometimes incredibly smart, but just

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get some stupid people for lack of better terms. Yeah, stupid people. And there was other things I wanted to save watch money, which

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and I don't know it that that was the biggest frustration for me. What about you in terms of I saw I get it like this standing up and briefing thing. What else really got hurt you? Well, one thing I will say is, when people think intelligence, they think yeah, you have to be like really smart. Some of the biggest idiots we're in we're in tech school. Let me just say that. But yeah, for me, it was just it was just kind of stressful man. Again, like, I didn't want to be there six months, I was thinking, oh, man, I'm gonna be here for six months. And then the one of the worst parts was when we found our first base, and I found I was going to Missouri and I'm like, oh, so I'm going to Missouri. And my friend who was with me, and he checked his base, he got Kansas, so we're next to each other like, oh, Kansas, Missouri, like, so that made it worse. But I just think some of the people there were just not not really my type of people. I made some of the best friends I've had. Yeah, I also like, I mean, when you're drinking so much alcohol as well. I mean, Alcohol is a depressant, isn't it? So that's, that's the thing. It was just kind of and I gained cheese, I gained 40 pounds while I was there as almost the same. I went from 180 to like 220 to 30. Wow. So it was it was bad when I put on a ton of weight. So when did you get there? I got there July 2011 left in January 2012. So we were there or at the same time?

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I mean, I left September ish.

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But it's I find it weird that didn't see you because you're so tall and like hulking. I feel like I would have ran into your build like who's this guy with the British accent you know?

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But I just I'm really curious. So you came from London? Yeah, you get to San Antonio. Obviously it's incredibly hot and then he gets a good fellow. Tell me about your time and go flow as far as like atmospheric as far as like, the makeup of the town because we were there before the oil boom. Right? So there wasn't as many times as ton of people's there's now now obviously St. Angelo and or St. Angelo State wasn't really that much of a college. Oh, tell me about your experience. Yeah. In terms of like that adjustment from England to Texas. That was my first football game as well was San Angelo State University, whatever they were called. Like, oh, this is college football. But it's not really college. But it did have a nice stadium for one second. Whoa.

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Whatever. They were men, but it wasn't it wasn't that much of a like, America is so much bigger, right. So when I arrived, I remember I arrived at San Antonio airport. And I think I mentioned this in my intro podcast. But I was looking around like, Oh, this is cool. Man. America is so big. And it's so it's so hot. I arrived in cheese. When did I get there? May May, May. And then. Yeah, so it was hot there in San Antonio, Texas. And I was just like, oh, this is great.

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Alright, so let's get into the kind of the assignments that you've done and stuff like that. So where was it that you started off? What was your first place? Yes, maybe that's why tech school is a little bit more of a happier experience from okay, I found out my bass was Ramstein and John Carter, whatever you got, yeah. Rammstein is amazing for everyone listening but yeah, I wasn't excited about it at first too. I was like, Oh my God, because he was pulling up, put down all the Bible Belt bases. Okay, and I got Jeremy. I was like, how did that work? But obviously, it turned out to be pretty much the best experience of my life.

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I grew up a lot there and it helped because growing up outside of the country that you're from really kind of opens you up to things that you'd never experienced

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after and so I went to Langley

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and Langley was great. And yeah, yeah, Virginia was great, man.

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I probably moved back there permanently. You know,

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and then obviously deployments um,

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not gonna go through all those but I've went to I've gone to Africa, Middle East

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and a couple other spots in Europe, but that's actually what we're going to be talking about next. Okay, so we talked about

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Langley took me to the deed, it was technically an assignment. It was a year long, right. And now I went to Lakenheath. And then now I'm in Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. So like, honestly like Man, I've seen horror stories about assignments about dudes going from Canada and New Mexico to Creech

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and I'm over here just surfing the wave, you know, so I can't really complain about where I've been and I've loved every single assignment as far as location. Yeah, because they so I always say I was punished at first because they sent me to Missouri for five years. Yeah. But then, you know, I went to Korea. I had the most fun of my life for that year. Then went to Lakenheath, which was for those who don't know, we both we met in Lakenheath. Actually, I mentioned that earlier. I think

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we did. It was amazing. Like an eighth was great, but it was bad at the same anytime I was in the office. It was bad when I was outside the office it was good so yeah, because you know I had my family and friends there and whatnot but just like I'm curious like about your opinion on like an eighth because I have obviously a very negative opinion. I don't know like what is what is yours. As far as that goes? Look the most honest thing I've ever heard and wasn't he's aren't my words. I just stole them is that Lakenheath as a fob for everybody who doesn't know what a fob is? It's a forward operating base. So it's a strike Eagle based F 15 II model and see used to be they are really based out of states obviously. But you know, Lakenheath is just a almost like a deploy location where you're just moving on to somewhere else. Because all we do out there is just deploy. That's it. You train to deploy, you come back, and he started training to deploy again. So I hated that. The high ops tempo keeps you busy, and yeah, you're important but drives you mad? Yeah, the deployment aspect because listen to this, right, I got there are in November of 2017. And then I deployed April 2018. I was like, really, you just give me like five months and then that wastes six months in Utah? Right, right. Yes, I really mine like, I mean, obviously, like, when it comes to deployments, you get a lot of money while you which is that's the good part. Like I came back. And I did a trip to because I missed America so much. Let me go to America for like, how long do I go for like two weeks or something? I did my like, r&r or whatever over there. I took two or three weeks, I think it was and I went to you know, I got all flashy. I went to Denver. I went to LA I went to Atlanta, and how much money do I spent like $8,000 While I did this trip because I went to I went to LA like Denver was for UFC as well as a Denver Nuggets game. Okay. And I'm staying like right like, I kid you not I could see the arena from my hotel. I was like, Oh, it's right there like and I just got my Uber down. La was just a splash fest. It was just like, let me go to Lakers games clippers game. Yeah, let me sit near like,

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I could see LeBron James like literally like he was right there. I was just going crazy man. And then Atlanta was the Drake and migos concert.

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That was of course expensive. Staying in Atlanta was expensive. So it was just crazy, man. But that was the good part about deploying is that you got money but Lakenheath was just it was just, you know, the fact that you just got deployed and you like didn't really get much time to explore. I mean, you didn't get time to explore England. Like, you know, getting taken away for six months just wasn't,

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you know, so.

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But like our leadership, the worst part about like, and he was our leadership, and I just, I have to say that man, because I was telling Moses earlier, I was just saying how that was what caused me ultimately to decide to get out of the Air Force. Like I knew, while I was in Jordan deployed, I knew, I was like, Yeah, I think I'm gonna get out and then I got back and it was even worse than when I left. It was even worse. Like you guys. You know, I met yourself. I met Mike obviously, Jimmy came Jamal came later as well. A couple of these other guys met some great people, but it was just like, when I got back, I was like, Man, this is even worse than when I left. That's understood and we had to reference experiences, right? Because like, I got there, and we were technically in two different squadrons. And the atmosphere is way different. When I would come and visit compared to going back to my desk, I'd be like, Wow, and can I just say as well this guy had good airman. This guy had some good airmen. I

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had a

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listen man. I love Well, I love most of these guys. Right but they were a nightmare to deal with like one of them got a DUI. One of them got a referral EPR and like one of them had an attitude problem.

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So yeah, it's funny because we were just, we were just talking about deployment experience. While I was always that like community thing, just kind of like I was saying earlier just with the bad bad airmen and it was just it's just a nightmare when you're deployed because you're already stressed enough at you know, having to go to a deployment leave your entire life like you had to leave your wife and stuff when you when you got deployed and whatnot. Well, actually, were you married when you when you deployed? While we're looking for you. Okay? Yeah, cuz actually Langley too. Yeah. Yeah, cuz

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I was gonna just kind of get into your deployment experiences because you deployed you deployed while you were at Lakenheath you guys did you guys go to the UAE? Was that where you went?

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If you can, simply. Oh, you went to Jordan? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So So yeah, you you kind of have experiences there. Were you in the tents or were you in those like little kind of flushing boy.

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Yeah, I was in the tents the whole time. So because because I had like when you get there, you have a bunk bed to yourself. So you got like, you can, you know, you sleep in the bottom bunk and you put whatever bags you have to be on top. So and then you got the little locker there as well. So, but yeah, deployments, man.

Unknown Speaker 21:37
I mean, I could speak all day about mine. But let's let's kind of talk about yours. Like, what was your What was your first deployment?

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If you if you can say as well, obviously, don't. Don't creep into the classifier. My first real deployment was Afghanistan, Afghanistan, okay. You go, but it wasn't real. I say real, because like, technically, like, technically 3.9 times nine, but I've really deployed like, I call it four or five, four or five. Or as I say, it's because like,

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from the outside looking in, you can say, Oh, you left home or whatever, in your CD orders, whatever. You're deployed.

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But for me, if I'm not in a situation where it's like, Oh, I really don't want to be here. Okay, sir. Deployment. Okay. So, so So let me just suppose that I've been to an Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan.

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Another area out there.

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I've been to another area up in Africa. I've been to, and technically I've been to three European countries that that's not a deployment, but they weren't. Yeah, he just came from Germany. Not one. Yeah. Just I just got back from a deployment to Germany. Yeah. So.

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Um, yeah, man. It's weird, right. But yeah, between, you know, the military folk. Yeah. I've really only deploy like four times. I've one thing though. You said Afghanistan in Iraq, though. And I'm always interested to talk to people who have been there because I so before I went to Qatar, Qatar was my first deployment. Oh, I actually yeah, I got I got assigned to go to Afghanistan before that, but that got cancelled. Kinda kind of Oh, yeah. And I'm not gonna go into the story too much, because I told him on my last podcast, but just my family was just so like, shook from them. And I told them about Afghanistan, because obviously, like, you know, you hear about a lot of people dying while they're in Afghanistan and Iraq, so less people, but yeah, so just hearing that from you. Like, one thing you always hear in those places you get like, the more attacks and all that stuff. Yeah. So like that happens. But I spoke to some people who have been there and they're just like, oh, you get used to it. They're just like, more attacking or whatever. Yeah, that kind of

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I didn't even tell my folk about it. Because I was married at the time and I didn't want to say anything. Because I know my mom would get

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so yeah, my first mortar attack.

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God, you know, when you say it like that, yeah, it kind of puts in perspective. Yeah, the first one I was freaking out. Yeah, I legit thought I was gonna die that day because I've never heard anything so loud. And don't forget I'm from Georgia where we love fireworks. Big ones came by and you're gonna go to Tennessee to hear

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that I was so scared. I I was crying not gonna lie. I was crying. I was I was I thought it was oh, saying prayers. And they're like, Alright, cool. Should be fine. I'm like, what? They're like, yeah, just like that. Just like that only lasts like what? 10 minutes.

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Everyone wants to have to work out shook. I had never

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See anything like that. And then after that I didn't care anymore. So

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it's just like it would happen. You'd be like, Oh, you look around, make sure everything's cool. You go outside. Let people check to make sure there's no unexploded ordinance. You go back to work.

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Yeah, that's what it is, man. It's weird. And is it like, do they just tell you to take cover? Or like, what did you know to take covered? Oh, as soon as you hear an explosion in the collar by looks around and start saying things you'll hear, you may hear. So it's weird. You may hear your exposure. First, you may hear a sea RAM go off.

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In a CRM is literally like imagine a mini gun that's controlled by a computer that has a radar, it's able to see incoming

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munitions and is able to shoot them out of the sky.

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Or make them explode the sky. So sometimes you'll hear that.

Unknown Speaker 25:52
Yeah, it just depends. Sometimes you'll be sleeping, you know, hear people waking up around you. Just depends. Again, I was only there for three and a half months, I didn't have to do a nine month deployment, like two of my friends did.

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I lucked out, and I'm never gonna feel bad about leave. I'm thank God that didn't have to stay there. You know, that's the thing we were talking about earlier with deployments. It's like, yeah, you make money. But

Unknown Speaker 26:18
I mean, what are you sacrificing? Right? It's like, really, you're just saving money? Because when you can't buy anything? And then you know, it's tax free. But it's also because your mortars are going off. However, we've all been in environments where it's tax free. And it's like, yeah, the worst thing is just dehydration.

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Alright, so let's just finish off with just talking to Moses here about why he's still in because, you know, everybody I meet, right? Well, most people I meet who have been in a long time, they're just like, yeah, just gotta get to 20 years just got to get to 20 years. But the thing is, and this is why, because I was in when I got out, I'd been in for eight and eight and a half years, right. And people just kept saying to me, oh, man, only like 12 to go man, just do 12 more. And I'm thinking nah, because one one thing I always had in my head was I don't want to end up like certain people who are so stressed out just because they're staying in so long, a certain

Unknown Speaker 27:16
a certain bold individual that we used to work with who I sat next. Yeah, we're not, we're not gonna, we're not gonna go there. I'm just saying he was so stressed out all of the time. And that was because he stayed in way longer than he should have. And I did not want to end up like that. And I saw him and all these other people. I was like, Nah, I'm not gonna probably want to be bald. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm definitely I don't have as much hair as I used to.

Unknown Speaker 27:46
But yeah, like, I just wanted to see like, why, like, why are you still in? I mean, is it financial reasons? Other reasons? Like, what's the what's the deal? is almost 100% financial reasons. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 27:58
Well, I came in, I was gonna stay in 20. But I was gonna do other things. And I didn't plan on getting married, I do not plan on having a son, like, okay, it just all happened.

Unknown Speaker 28:12
And my priorities changed. And so let me tell you just really quick story and explain, staying in for almost financially, because

Unknown Speaker 28:22
the real last recession that we went through in the housing market crash 2008 really started kind of 2007, when my parents got laid off. It was like it like it was a huge trigger point in my life, in terms of like, how things changed, our lifestyles change, all kinds of things happen, I won't go into that. And I just watched my parents work themselves to death to still try to

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maintain some sense of like, stability for our family. And I was like, I will never, ever want or I don't ever want to have to go through that.

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And when you look at the options that are available out there, like the fact that at 39 years old, I can already have a retirement check every month for the rest of my life. That that changed my mindset. And so that's why 20 years is so important to me. And I might stay in after that. I don't know. I don't know if it's right, my wife might stand 20. And she's a couple years after me. So if I stay in 24, maybe I'm a chief who knows maybe, maybe I become an officer, I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 29:29
There's a lot of considerations, but it's almost completely financial, because I had a son now, I want him to have the best life ever. I want him that all the things that he wants, I want him to have all the tools that he needs, whether it's for school, anything after school, anytime he needs something, I don't want to be able to say I can't do that. And that's no fault of my parents. You know, I'm saying they worked hard all their lives, but they also had, like eight kids to look after not one and I'm just trying to do whatever I can to make sure that my son has the best opportunity in life.

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