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Real conversations about following Jesus when life doesn't slow down — from a pastor who's still figuring it out too.
Can you really trust God? If you've ever said to yourself, I trust God, and then spent the rest of the night worrying about whatever it is, this podcast episode is for you. Why is it sometimes so hard to trust God?
Kristi:What does trust actually look like with God?
Greg:I don't know that any of us have a great definition of what that actually looks like, but I believe trust actually looks like when you make a choice to believe that everything God says about himself in scripture is true. And even when it's difficult to live that way, you are going to live like you know that it's true, and you're gonna pray like you know that it's true and just make a decision to believe that it is true.
Kristi:Right.
Greg:Probably a whole lot easier to say than it is to actually do.
Kristi:So choice or trust is a choice, not a feeling. You don't it's not an emotion or
Greg:anything. When you think about it with with just a person, I mean, you earn trust, but you make that choice for somebody to trust in somebody. So look at it with a spouse or a friend. You don't trust them because it feels good. You trust them because they what you know about them is true.
Greg:So you are choosing to put your trust in them. It's not because you feel good about them. It's because you believe that what they what you know about them to be true and that you can trust them with whatever it may be. Same thing with God. It's it's not a feeling.
Greg:It's not I feel like God is this, so I'm gonna trust him. It's I believe that what I read in scripture about God and what I know about God to be true, so I'm going to make a choice to trust him even when it's hard to do so.
Kristi:So we learn who God is and what he is and what he's promised us in scripture.
Greg:Yeah. It's the only way we can know God. I mean, you hear people say all the time, I just wish I could know God better, or I wish I could hear from God. Well, read your bible because that tells you everything that he wants you to know about himself. It doesn't tell us everything about God, but tells us everything that he wants us to know and he thinks we need to know to live a life that pleases him.
Kristi:So it's enough.
Greg:It's enough. Yeah. There's totally enough.
Kristi:So what area is the hardest for people to trust God, you think?
Greg:I don't know if that's a concrete answer. Yeah. Think it's different.
Kristi:On the person.
Greg:I think for some people, it's really hard to trust God, and probably it's really probably just boils down to whatever the biggest thing they have going on in their life is. Could be a marriage. Could be money. Could be health. Whatever that big mountaintop is, I guess, is what you would say.
Greg:That is what's hardest to trust God in. Mean, I don't know if you wanna go down this rabbit hole, but I think for me and our relationship as we've been married now for, like, three years now. Is that right?
Kristi:Put it at zero on
Greg:Thirty years this next month. Well, two months because yeah. Anyways, see, we're almost thirty years into this thing, really close to thirty years. And I think for me, the hardest thing to trust was the whole us trying to have children thing. Just trusting that God had that.
Greg:I mean, we took it into our own hands at one point and tried to make it happen the medical way and not just trusting God.
Kristi:Right. I think that in trusting God in anything, we have things that are stealing our trust, like we were gonna talk about next, like fear, waiting, disappointment, wanting answers, and control. And for me personally, when I am praying and praying about something, I trust God's gonna answer it, but my big fear about that is, is He gonna answer it the way I want it to be answered, not trusting that His answer is the best for me. I want him to say, yeah, that sounds good, Christy. So I think control and fear of what his answer's gonna be, because when we went down that path, I didn't want the answer that he gave us.
Greg:Yeah. So what is it that you think in you or in people in general that makes you wanna control the outcome?
Kristi:I'm a woman.
Greg:Well, it's not just women because men, I I wanna control the outcome a lot of times too. Why do you think that is? Why do we wanna control so badly?
Kristi:Our sinful nature, I guess. I mean, going back to the women, you know, that's one of our penalties for sin in the in the garden. We wanna control I mean, that was basically control our husbands, but I I see that. It isn't real obvious sometimes, but, I think mine's control. I want things my way, done my way, when I want them, how I want them.
Kristi:I I don't wanna wait. I've got that. I'm I know the best way. Yeah. Christie's way.
Kristi:So and that's not God's way.
Greg:Yeah. You say it's sin, and really it gets down to the root of sin. It's pride and it's the original sin. It's us wanting to be God.
Kristi:Yeah. Oh. Oh. Yes. I don't like you to put it that way.
Greg:Yeah. We don't like to think of it that way, but when you want control of something
Kristi:Right.
Greg:That means we wanna take his job from him. Right. So it's us in essence. You want to be God. I'm not pointing at you.
Greg:We want to be God.
Kristi:Yeah. And he is God and we are not, and I think that's the first step in in actually trusting him to take care of whatever the situation is. But we have this, well, what's He gonna do? When's He gonna do it? How's He gonna fix this?
Kristi:What do I need to You know, you're you're trying to add on your humanness in there. I mean, what what do we do? Are we supposed to do anything?
Greg:Yeah. Is that an actual question?
Kristi:Or do we Let's do make it a question.
Greg:What do you mean what do we do?
Kristi:Well, let's let's come up with an example, like finances. Mhmm. People worry about their finances. What do we do? I mean, God's not just gonna drop a million dollars in our lap.
Kristi:Most likely, he could. Yeah. But what do we do when it's a situation that we can contribute? How do we know what's the right thing to do?
Greg:Well, I mean, scripture's clear, and, I mean, we've never been great at this ourselves. So I know it's difficult to put it out there, but it's scripture's clear. You handle money the way the bible teaches you to handle money, which is spend less than you make, and you will be I forgot the word, but basically, not necessarily wealthy, but you will be prosperous, I think, what how how it's worded. Mhmm. So if you're handling your finances, whether you make a little or a lot, the way God tells you handle your finances, everything's gonna be fine.
Kristi:Right. It's true. I mean
Greg:We only get ourselves in trouble when we spend more. True. I know there's bills that come along, and sometimes it's a Emergency. Unexpected emergency. Car broke down, house issues, health issue.
Greg:I know those things come along. But if we're really honest, unless you're young, if you've been managing your finances the way the Bible tells you to manage your finances, that nest egg is gonna be there to take care of those problems in most cases, unless it's like a huge medical bill. We know those happen out there.
Kristi:Right.
Greg:But in the vast majority of cases, you just manage it
Kristi:Right.
Greg:The way God told you to manage it. Yeah. That's your role in it. Just do what he said to do.
Kristi:Yeah. We get ourselves into trouble, and then God bail us out. Bail us out. So make the right decisions the first time.
Greg:And this isn't pointing fingers at anybody because we've been there in that situation. Right. Because we all try to when you speak specifically to finances, we're all trying to live in a way that well, most of us I would assume almost everybody that listens to this is American. We all have a American dream standard we're all trying to live up to. And so you want a nice house, nice car, all the nice things, and take nice vacations and eat at nice places and not have to eat bowls of soup every night.
Greg:But, you know
Kristi:Sometimes you We're
Greg:not promised any of it.
Kristi:Exactly. And that's, like you said, the American dream. That's not necessarily good. Yeah. Most of the times it's not.
Greg:Yeah. So you would say control, though, that is probably what you struggle with the most.
Kristi:Control and, well, like you said, it just depends on what it is. Like, when we were trying to have our own biological children, it was the waiting.
Greg:Yeah. That's what I was gonna say that you have this list of fear, waiting, disappointment, non enhancers, and trying to stay in control. For me, it's waiting and trying to stay in control, and I think they go hand in hand. Yeah.
Kristi:Yeah.
Greg:Because I want it when I want it on my timeline. I mean, for our church, if people don't know out there, our church, we're going through the whole building process, and it's going slower than we'd hoped. I want the building when I want the building because I think we need the building. We definitely need it as a church, but God is not it's not in God's timing right now for us to have it. But I want the building because I wanna be able to alleviate our space issues and not have to worry about whether our building is going to have any we're not had any leaks recently, but all that kind of stuff, you know.
Greg:I just I want the building. Yeah. God will make the building happen when he wants
Kristi:it Right. And we discount the struggle, when we are waiting for whatever it is. We discount that, and God's teaching us something in that. Yeah. His timing's perfect, but his timing is like sitting Waller.
Greg:Yeah.
Kristi:I use Waller a lot. Waller in this.
Greg:She's Alabama.
Kristi:No. I'm not. Yeah. Alabama. I'm not.
Greg:Till she was eight, so she's from Alabama.
Kristi:Doesn't matter. I'm Tennessee. Getting me mad on the podcast. There's there's lessons that he's teaching us. There's things that have to happen during the wait, no matter what it is.
Kristi:Going back to our kids, I mean, we lost eight children, the two that we have now, we wouldn't have those two particular children had he given us the other children, and so I wouldn't trade our two that we have for
Greg:So what would you say you learned through the wait?
Kristi:Well, trust. Trust. Because a lot of times you you feel like that he doesn't even know what's going on, and deep down, yeah, you know he does, but you think, does he care? What's he doing? And in that particular situation, was like, are we going to have any children ever in any means?
Kristi:And that's one of those, I don't like his answer, I need children. So it's basically learning to trust him, and it's always easier to look back after it's resolved and see what He did, and see how He was working during the times you thought He was silent and ignoring you. Trials end, and just knowing that, because I've gone back to that whole decade season many times when I'm struggling with something else. This isn't going to last forever. I know he's working.
Kristi:I know he's doing something. I just can't see it. And I have to trust, like you said, his character, who he is to know whatever he does is what's best for me or you or whoever.
Greg:I think going through all that too, and we talk about that one a lot, but we've had all kinds of different trials we went through, but specifically that one, I think it prepared us for so many different areas of life, especially being in ministry. It prepared us to because we we talk with other couples who have struggled with the same thing. We have friends who struggle with the same thing. And it didn't prepare us to be able to give the answers because it's hard for any human being to give the answer, but I think it did prepare us to be able to walk through that with people and be there and just be able to know what they're dealing with and be able to pray with them and love them and not just saying the words, but actually saying.
Kristi:Just hug them.
Greg:I was there.
Kristi:Yeah. I've been there, and it shows them that there is an end to it. You're you're not gonna be in this forever.
Greg:So really, anybody that's listening to this could say that about anything that they're going through. Mhmm. Yeah. It's it's really hard when you're in the middle of it. There's no way to to sugarcoat that.
Greg:It's really hard. When you go on the other side of it, you're gonna be able to if you're a Christian, you can look at it this way. I'll be able to be a blessing to someone else who's going through that. Yeah. If you're not a Christian, you you don't have that hope anyways.
Greg:And if you don't have Christ, I don't know how you make it through this kind of stuff. Whether it's fertility issues or illnesses or just my marriage is hard or whatever it is, I don't know how you make it through it without Christ.
Kristi:And that's another one, illness, That's hard. That's really hard. Somebody you or somebody you love was diagnosed with something terminal, and you know God can heal it in a second. You know God can heal it, but sometimes He chooses to, sometimes He chooses not to, and that's a big one to wrap your mind around, knowing that He can, but He's not, and you've got to trust he knows what's best for whatever the situation is.
Greg:We should pray that prayer like I've talked about in a recent sermon, you know, that Jesus prayed, go into the cross, not my will but yours.
Kristi:Mhmm. That's probably, I would think, harder than any of these other, you know, finances and all that stuff when when you or someone you love is, you know, facing Yeah. Death, and you don't wanna leave your family, or you don't want someone to to be gone.
Greg:Yeah. But if we know without a shadow of a doubt, as much as a human being can know about another human being, if we know that they've got a relationship with Christ, why would we not want them to experience it?
Kristi:That's true, but we're selfish.
Greg:We're selfish.
Kristi:And we want things done the way that our wishes.
Greg:Yeah. I know with the loved ones who've passed away the last few years for us, I didn't want any of them to go. But I'm as confident as I can be that they were believers. Yeah. And so not wanting them to go was because I wanted more time.
Kristi:It's it's selfishness, but it's still it's
Greg:Well, didn't make it easy.
Kristi:So yeah.
Greg:Maybe a little more comforting, not any easier.
Kristi:So you said you struggle with waiting and control
Greg:And control.
Kristi:On the both Really of
Greg:the same as you. Probably the same as a lot of people. I would say there are a lot of fear too Yeah. In people.
Kristi:Fear of the unknown.
Greg:You don't How is this gonna happen?
Kristi:Yeah. Yeah. What's next? What am I gonna is is it gonna get worse than this? Yeah.
Kristi:Because that that happens sometimes too.
Greg:It does.
Kristi:It does. If we have to live in the consequences sometimes that we've created, like the financial. We're the ones who created that most of the time. Yeah. And that's hard, hard to not know what's coming next, yeah.
Kristi:Alright, so in the Bible, who can we talk about that had to learn to trust God, like actual people in the Bible?
Greg:I mean, there's all kinds of examples. I like the one you got a note on here, and I I like the Abraham, I mean, because I relate so much to what he was going through. We just talked about it. Right. Of course, he wasn't just waiting on having children.
Greg:He was waiting on the whole promise to come through. But it wasn't like, okay. God made me the promise, and, nine months from now, I'm gonna have a child. He waited, and he waited. Yep.
Greg:And he waited.
Kristi:I waited what? Was it ten years or twenty? I I can't
Greg:It was a long time. It was a long time, and I really should know that. So don't hold that against me if you go to my church.
Kristi:Uh-huh. But they actually tried to take things Yeah. Into their own hands.
Greg:He went because he didn't like the waiting, so he tried to take things into his own hands, and and the world is still paying for that today Right. With the choices he made in men.
Kristi:Exactly. That the the son that he had with what was that woman's name? I can't remember anything now. Not his wife, but the other one. I mean, they had Ishmael.
Kristi:Yeah. And if you're a Christian, you know what Yeah.
Greg:If if you don't know what came out of that, then we'll talk. You just shoot me an email or drop a comment on this, and we'll we'll discuss what what came out of that because it it was a world altering event when he made that decision. Right. Then you look at the New Testament. It's not just those long waiting things.
Greg:Peter's a really good example. Mhmm. Know, Peter, when they're out on the boat and the waves and all that, storms going on and then Jesus is walking on the water, And and he's like, if you're really who you say you are, tell me to walk to you. And Peter trusted him and walked out on the water. And I think a lot of us have done that, we trust, and we take that step, and then Peter had second thoughts when he was on the water, and as soon as he started doubting, he started sinking.
Kristi:Right, and he had Jesus standing literally in front of him, the person of Jesus standing in front of him, and he still lost his trust.
Greg:Yeah. I think both of those are examples that all of us could point to being in similar things.
Kristi:Mhmm.
Greg:Trusting in a moment and then sinking because you tried to alter the trust or take over it on your own or just having to wait and wait and wait Alright. For whatever answer you're looking for. So I don't know who who's listening to this. What maybe they're in waiting right now. I don't know.
Greg:But they they should be encouraged by Abraham because God always comes through on his promises. Right. And we experienced that ourselves. We waited a long time in for in the same area for for children, and God came through. Right.
Greg:Although God ours was even different than Abraham. We never had a specific promise from God that he was ever gonna give us children. We just trusted that he was gonna do.
Kristi:Right. And this is getting the personal, but after we actually started fostering and we we were going that direction where we were gonna try to adopt, I found out I was pregnant. Yeah. And I've told you looking back, and we lost that baby ten weeks in, I guess, and I mean, we were just like amazed, you know, because we weren't doing any treatments or anything then, but looking back, God used that. I mean, it was devastating, but God used that to show, see, you could have done it this way, but this is not the way that I wanted it.
Kristi:And had that baby lived, we would not have gone, we know us, we would have been focused right on that baby and not gone on and adopted the two that we have, and we wouldn't have them, and who knows how their lives would be different. You
Greg:know, this actually came up in with a group of guys that I meet with just in our last meeting talking about that event. That is probably one of the two or three most pivotal events in my faith, you know, just getting through that and then trusting God through it. Mhmm. Because it was really hard. But that changed and when I look back, that kinda changed everything for me with my faith.
Greg:That and I was telling them that that time when I we were having that day of prayer and fasting and I surrendered to ministry before I told you. I mean, you knew that was on my heart, but you didn't know I was doing it that day. Right. Those were probably the two, as far as faith goes, other than accepting Christ as my savior, those are probably the two most pivotal moments where I just I I was all in.
Kristi:Right. Right.
Greg:Changed everything too, or we wouldn't be doing this right now.
Kristi:Okay. So how do we grow our trust? Like practical habits to build trust.
Greg:Man. Say it all the time. It sounds Sunday school ish, but biggest practical habit is you've gotta know God. Mhmm. So you have to be in scripture.
Greg:You gotta be sitting under biblical preaching and teaching so that you can get to know who he is and know the character of God, or you're never gonna be able to trust him. Oh. So I know that it just sounds like the right church answer, but there's a reason that's the answer because it's the only way. You've got to know God. Right.
Greg:If you don't know him, you're trusting some made up version of him, and it's never gonna work out. He's never gonna come through the way you hope he will.
Kristi:And you've got to go and learn about him. You can't you can't just listen because there's there's people talking about God all the time that are telling blatant lies, and you've got to go in there and read it for yourself.
Greg:Yeah. And I can tell you, as a pastor, I get up and preach every single week. I make mistakes. I try to own them when I make them, and I have stood up there before and said, hey. Last week, I said this.
Greg:Mhmm. That wasn't really accurate, so I just wanna clarify that and what I meant or what it really meant, and I misunderstood. Sometimes it's because somebody in the church was like, you were wrong.
Kristi:Yeah. Called you out. Yeah. Well, I mean, you just look if if you really read the Old Testament and and you've gotta read it a few times to let it sink, but you see his faithfulness over and over and over, and we, me, I guess I should say, I look at those Israelites, and I'm like, why do you have such trouble doing what he says? And then you mess up, and you fall away, and you start worshiping other gods, and he waits until you repent, and you wanna come back to him, and he takes them back every time.
Kristi:I mean, you're seeing the character of God, but we do the exact same thing.
Greg:We
Kristi:are the Israelites, but we have the Holy Spirit, and we know the Messiah's already come. Things are a little bit different for us. It really should be easier.
Greg:Should be. We we make it worse sometimes, I think.
Kristi:Yeah. So, I mean, you just when you look at everything that he did in all of scripture, it it's it shows his heart. It shows who he is, and that makes it a whole lot easier to trust. Yeah.
Greg:Yeah. So getting to the end of this, you had some rapid fire questions you're
Kristi:Yes. That that's a fire.
Greg:So let's Alright. See how I do on these. Are there is there a grade on this?
Kristi:Yes. I will grade on a curve.
Greg:That needs to be a huge curve.
Kristi:Okay. Let me I'm prepared here. Okay. What steals your piece the fastest?
Greg:Waiting. Okay.
Kristi:Yeah. You're supposed to answer in one sentence.
Greg:Oh, one sentence.
Kristi:Yes. One sentence.
Greg:When I am waiting.
Kristi:What's one thing you're trusting God with right now?
Greg:Well, I'm gonna go with the church answer. This building getting built.
Kristi:Yeah. I I figured that would be your answer.
Greg:I mean, that's a heavy thing on me. So
Kristi:Alright. I finished this sentence. Trusting God is
Greg:Believing he is who he says he is, and he's gonna do what he said he'd do.
Kristi:K. Have you ever seen God answer a prayer years later?
Greg:Yeah. Just talked about that. Yeah. Our our children.
Kristi:And we seem to talk about that a lot, but that
Greg:It was such a pivotal thing.
Kristi:Yeah. It was a decade long time.
Greg:Yeah. I mean, it is a a life changing thing for us, a faith changing thing for us. But I can also, if you don't wanna talk about that one, the planting of the church we we're at now. I mean, was a years long thing when I kinda felt God draw me to that. And then
Kristi:Actually saw it happen.
Greg:Yeah. It didn't look like things were actually gonna not if they weren't gonna happen, but they didn't seem nothing seemed to be happening. And then all of a sudden, when it happened, when the floodgates opened, when we were playing a church within, we opened the doors within like a year from when we were really
Kristi:Uh-huh.
Greg:Got going.
Kristi:Alright. Which is harder, waiting, letting go, or not knowing?
Greg:Waiting.
Kristi:You have a patience problem.
Greg:I do. That goes back to the control thing. Right. For me, it's definitely waiting. I don't have a huge issue of letting go when something's passed and and not knowing.
Greg:I mean, doesn't really bother me what I don't know. I guess that could be part of the waiting too, not knowing when he's gonna answer, but it really depends on how you mean that question.
Kristi:Yeah, waiting is hard, but that letting go, there's such a peace in that. And for me, in the current world, it's all the stuff going, keep hitting myself, all the stuff in the world that happens, all the wars and the just horrible things that go on, and I can pray about that, but I have absolutely no part in it. I can't control that, so I'm not going to wring my hands about it, I'm not gonna stay up at night worrying about the state of the world. And it's kinda easy, because we're here in East Tennessee where wars are going on, I understand.
Greg:Yeah.
Kristi:Yeah, yeah, you just don't know, and I may have a whole different answer if that ever happens.
Greg:Yeah, I'm sure it would be.
Kristi:But I just, it gives a lot of peace to me that I am not God, and He is, and He knows everything that's going on, and I just let it go to Him, and don't get on Facebook and rant about the state of the world, because it's not doing any good. You're just making people angry. So what's one piece of advice you'd give someone who's struggling to trust God?
Greg:That's a hard one. I guess for me, it would be, if you don't have a spouse you can do this with, hopefully you do, but if if you don't, you've gotta find somebody you can just be honest with and just say, hey. I really don't understand why God's not doing this or whatever it may be. Right. And you gotta have I hate the term accountability partner, but someone you trust just you can just talk to.
Greg:Hopefully, it's your spouse. If you're not married, a best friend, can be a pastor, whoever it is, but just someone who you trust enough to say, hey. I'm struggling.
Kristi:Yeah.
Greg:A Christian. A Christian. Let me be clear.
Kristi:Right.
Greg:Another believing
Kristi:Really, the best thing to to do when you're struggling, yes, a human accountability partner is great, but have you told God?
Greg:Yeah.
Kristi:So I'm having trouble trusting you because
Greg:Yeah. You gotta I mean, that's where it starts. You gotta be open and honest with God because that opens you up to his leading. But after that, find you someone you trust.
Kristi:Right. I remember one night when we were praying all those years ago, and you were screaming at God, you were really mad, and you scared me to death. Because I didn't know you could scream at God. And I was a little worried we were both gonna die right there.
Greg:Well, if we didn't, we didn't. He brought us through. So Yeah.
Kristi:So you were being very, very honest. Alright. And what's one way you've seen God be faithful recently? Oops. Sorry for the rattling.
Greg:I hate to keep going back to the church stuff, but, I mean, even while we're in the midst of trying to figure out how to build this building, God is still, he is he has provided everything we need as a church. To be honest, a church of our size and our age has no business even thinking about building a building. But he's been faithful meeting every need, providing for all of our budgetary needs, even not the size of the building needs, but he provided this building for us, and it has served us well even though it's not the most beautiful place, even though it could be with a whole lot of money put into it, and it's not the most maintenance friendly place. He's been faithful through all of it. I hate to keep leaning on the church stuff, but that is my everyday world.
Kristi:So I mean and we're, yes, space is an issue, but that's our human perspective
Greg:It is.
Kristi:Of it, and he's given us this, and until he decides to do something else, or his timing is then, we use what we got, what he's given us, and be happy with it. And trusting is being happy in your circumstances. Yeah. No matter what they are, even if your life's falling apart, you can still be joyful in your circumstances because of him. Yeah.
Kristi:I think.
Greg:Yeah. I mean, I could even look at it on the personal side. He's I mean, we are by no stretch of the imagination wealthy, but he's provided I mean, he he takes care of all of it. You know? We don't I mean, there are things that we want, but we haven't really lost anything we needed even with the bad choices we've made in the past with finances.
Greg:So he's been faithful through all of it.
Kristi:Right. Supernaturally, faithful to we don't know how it happens sometimes.
Greg:The question would be to the to those who are listening or watching this is, how about you? What's an area where God is asking you to trust him? Maybe it is finances. We talked a lot about that. Maybe it's children or maybe you're waiting on that spouse that you think you need or deserve and you just wonder when God's gonna open that door for you.
Greg:What's the area where God is asking you to trust him today, and what's the next step you need to take to trust him? Have you dug into scripture and got to know him and to know his character? And have you surrounded yourself with other believers who you can just be honest with and say, I'm hurting right now, and I just need you to walk through this with me? Trust doesn't grow when life is easy. I can tell you that.
Greg:Trust grows when it's hard. Mhmm. When you go through those fires, we and when we choose to believe God's character and choose to believe that he is who he says he is, that's when everything changes. It's not easy. It sound we can throw those words out there, and it sounds really easy.
Greg:It is not easy, and it takes years. And I'm not saying even after all these years, I've got that all figured out. But I do believe if you trust him and get to know his character and choose to believe he is who he says he is, the rest just starts to slowly fall into place. So so that's my encouragement to you. Choose to trust him today and dig into your into your bible.
Greg:Learn learn his character and surround yourself with with get in a church. If you're not in a good local church, get in a church. So
Kristi:I get church.
Greg:A good, good Bible believing church. Believes in Jesus. Believes in Jesus. So anything else you got to add?
Kristi:No. Just don't lose hope. There's always hope no matter what the circumstance, and that's Jesus. And the trial will be over in one form or the other, because we won't always be here. And if you know Jesus, you're gonna be in heaven and not be worried about what you're worried about now.
Greg:Yeah. That's true. That's true. So well, thanks for joining us today. This has been the God Made Podcast, and the whole point of this podcast is to talk about biblical things and how we actually live that out on a day to day basis because we all know that Sunday doesn't fix everything.
Greg:So we'll be back with you next week for another episode of the God Made Podcast. Until then, I hope that God blesses you. You have a good week, and we'll see you then.