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In a world that feels increasingly chaotic, uncertain, and hard to make sense of, Realms of Curiosity with Sarah and Wendy offers a different kind of conversation.
Drawing from shamanic practice, psychology, and decades of firsthand experience with non-ordinary reality, Sarah and Wendy explore the deeper forces shaping our inner and outer worlds—from intuition and consciousness to deception, transformation, and the shifting nature of truth itself.
They don’t claim to have answers. Instead, they follow curiosity into the unknown—questioning, exploring, and inviting you to do the same.
Because in times like these, curiosity might be one of the most powerful tools we have.
Welcome to Realms of Curiosity. Listen in as two friends explore the mysteries of the Universe through the lens of their otherworldly experiences.
Wendy:Hi Sarah!
Sarah:How are doing?
Wendy:I'm not bad. How about you?
Sarah:I'm good.
Wendy:Yeah?
Sarah:I'm good.
Wendy:Yeah. Alright.
Sarah:Surviving the, apocalypse. So far, so good. Still have coffee. Still have water.
Wendy:I was just gonna ask you about your bunker. How's your bunker doing?
Sarah:It's good. It's good. Yeah. LA is a handful. You know?
Sarah:Like, if you're married to LA, you would say, I don't know if I wanna be married to this anymore. You know? It's like, you're a handful, dude.
Wendy:Irreconcilable differences.
Sarah:Oh my gosh. I mean, it's so wonderful, and it's so difficult. It's a lot. It's a lot. You've really gotta be on your toes here.
Sarah:You know? But the days are the weather is really nice. Can't beat that. Yeah. Can't beat that.
Sarah:So what are we doing today, Wendy?
Wendy:We had talked about in our last episode at the end that we would kind of do an informal survey of some people in our lives, clients, friends, whatever, to see if they believed in that concept of fate Yeah. And then report back. And so I thought we should report back.
Sarah:Yes. We should report back. Okay. I I think what I found was not totally surprising. I don't know about about you.
Sarah:But I found most people felt that there had been great influences, fate intervening in their life, whether it was, you know I mean, often, when one feels fate, it's meeting somebody or some something comes along that changes the direction of your life. It's like kind of these big things where you think, oh my gosh. You know, that was that was something. And I thought my my youngest son had he he just put it in a very succinct way. He said, destiny.
Sarah:Sure. Exclamation mark. This is in a text. A small percentage, but also a lot of luck and determination. And I thought, well, that kinda sums it up, doesn't it?
Sarah:You know? It it seemed like other people had much longer things to say about where they felt destiny was was was showing itself in their life. And, of course, my one friend who is an atheist just said, no. Not at all. Right.
Sarah:Not surprising. Right?
Wendy:Yep.
Sarah:Oh, that's that's kind of like cold. You know? I I felt cold. It felt like being in the universe all by yourself. You know?
Sarah:I I didn't like the feeling of that.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. Well but it also kinda makes sense too. Right? Totally.
Wendy:I mean, like you said And you're right. I had the same kind of results.
Sarah:Oh, yeah.
Wendy:And I didn't do a big sample, but of the people I sampled, I would say a majority of them did believe that certain circumstances in their life felt faded.
Sarah:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Wendy:Like, destined. And then there was the one person who an atheist who said, no. Absolutely absolutely no fate.
Sarah:Isn't that interesting? I Yeah. I I could not live in a world where I didn't feel in relationship to the universe. You know? Like, I would I would feel so oh, I that would that would be awful.
Sarah:I I couldn't take that. If I just thought it was me, I don't know that I could, like, go on. You know?
Wendy:I don't even know if I ever really thought about it until I had a faded experience, at least one of the ones I talked about in the last episode.
Sarah:Meeting your husband?
Wendy:Yeah. If I hadn't had that experience, I don't know if I were ever really would have contemplated it in a very personal way. Right. It was such a a market experience, and it felt so magical and out of the blue. And Yeah.
Wendy:There were all these synchronicities tied into it that Yeah. Felt like beyond just good fortune.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. I I I know it's funnily, the meeting of my husband was was very similar. Such a such a bunch of events that had to happen in order for me to move across the street from him. You know?
Sarah:Right. Yeah. Window and think, woah. He's cute. You know?
Sarah:Like, just but I was already living in Vancouver, and, you know, another guy who I was involved with said, come back. And I thought, oh, it's raining a lot here. It was winter in Vancouver. Went back, lived with him for two months, and he said, yeah, not so much. Not into it.
Sarah:Yeah. So I was crushed and heartbroken and moved out and moved in across the street from who became my husband, and who I've known how many years now, fifty years?
Wendy:That's a bit of time.
Sarah:Yeah. That's a bit of time. I mean, this is the person that's had the most influence on my life, both negative and positive. And we're divorced now, but even that was a really interesting experience, getting divorced. So, yeah, these people that come into your life, these these you know, we've talked in the past about how I got into shamanism.
Sarah:I'm writing a story, and I was like, for sure, that feels so fated.
Wendy:Absolutely. And I think you bring up a really interesting point. It is if you you look at that faded experience, and then if you start looking back at all of the steps that it took to get you there Right? There's this beautiful orchestration. Insane.
Wendy:Like If I hadn't been rejected from the the PsyD program where I was going to graduate school in Los Angeles, I never would have moved to Phoenix. I never would have joined Shaolin Kung Fu. Exactly. I never would have gone to Denver to study under the grandmaster and met my current husband. I mean, there's a lot more to it than that.
Sarah:But Yeah. But still, it's like that's a that's a lot of things. You know?
Wendy:Yeah. No. It's pretty magical when you start like, But there are these decisions like we were talking about last time. There's these decisions that you're making along the way. Should I move to this place or this place, or should I stay put?
Wendy:Should I apply to this school? So just looking at all the decisions that you make that seem like you have a degree of agency, which I think you do.
Sarah:You do.
Wendy:Yeah. Because we could have decided not to go to Phoenix Yeah. From Los Angeles after grad school.
Sarah:But that's it. You know? I I feel like when I look at the question of fate, there still is free will. You know? There is there is, like, the all the decisions you make.
Sarah:It's not like it's not like some magic fairy is making you make those decisions. You know? You are making the decisions. And and so it is fate, and it is decisions and free will, and it's like this beautiful dance that we're involved with as we live our life. You know?
Sarah:It does seem to
Wendy:be that way. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:And It makes me wonder about missed opportunities when you make a decision that takes you in a Right? In a different direction. Like, wonder how many really cool things I missed out on because I wasn't listening to my heart. I was doing the, logical thing.
Sarah:Exactly. Yeah. But how do you know? It's like, right now, as I've as I've talked to you about, I I have a desire to leave LA, and I want I wanna live in the forest and have a bunch more dogs and just paint and, you know, write and still see clients, but I can do everything on Zoom, really. So this itch is like scratching me, you know?
Sarah:And I know that there will be a fated moment that comes where it will crystallize, and I'll know I'm going to meet somebody who's going to say, Hey, we have this, and I'm going to go there. I know it will happen, and I get impatient because it's like churning in me, waiting for the moment where I where it crystallizes and I know what I'm supposed to be doing. And I don't like it when I'm at one of those moments, you know?
Wendy:So uncomfortable. So uncomfortable.
Sarah:It's like I call it itchy. Like, I'm itchy.
Wendy:Right. Restless. Restless. Yeah. Because yeah, it sounds because you've made a decision on some level.
Wendy:Yeah. It's pretty much a done deal. And then it's it's like, okay, so.
Sarah:Yeah. Like, come on. What's where is
Wendy:Then there's then there's this dance of, like, alright. Should I force it? Or should I
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:Or do I wait for signs or whatever? I mean, it's it's a weird kind of dance.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. It it's a really weird dance, and it's and I recognize this part of the dance is uncomfortable for me. And I So that
Wendy:it yeah. Then we step into trust.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm already in trust. I'm all like, I've been around long enough to know what this dance is. You know?
Sarah:It's I I didn't when I was younger. I was always very confused about, woah. You know? But now I recognize what it is, and I and I will I have to wait for the moment. You know?
Wendy:So you know that that's how it works that for you that okay. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. That doesn't mean that it's a done deal. Like, oh, I I will know that's it and problem solved. But not necessarily. There might still be some angst about it.
Sarah:You know? But, eventually, I'll know that that was the right thing or the wrong thing that I had to learn some lessons about before doing the right thing. Like, life is so interesting. So interesting. I don't I don't
Wendy:And interesting is an interesting word.
Sarah:But why?
Wendy:Don't you think? I think it's because you could say, oh, that's really interesting when somebody's talking about something that's really uninteresting to you.
Sarah:Yeah. We do that all the time.
Wendy:Yeah. It's a nice way not or it's it's a way to not be a dick and to be engaged.
Sarah:And it's neutral. Right?
Wendy:Yeah. But it's also loaded. I can always tell when somebody's giving me a I'm not really interested, but I'm gonna say, oh, that's interesting because it's it's like, oh, that could mean it's it's, yeah. Anyway, I think it's it's an interesting interesting word. Interesting is an interesting word.
Wendy:But I
Sarah:meant it as life is really Truly, truly interesting. Yes.
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Oh, yeah. Twists and turns. But you know what? The little survey got me really thinking about the power of our beliefs.
Sarah:Go ahead.
Wendy:In that that, like, thinking about our atheist friends. Mhmm. And I I mean, by definition, I'm an atheist too. I'll just put that out there. I don't don't buy into the concept of a god.
Sarah:Well, god. I mean, that's
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:We can talk
Wendy:about That's atheism. Right? Theism. Like, monotheism is one god.
Sarah:Right.
Wendy:Polytheism is many gods. Atheism is the absence of a god, no god.
Sarah:Yeah. Okay. This can lead us down a very long trail.
Wendy:But that's so by definition, that's why
Sarah:I Let's said talk about that next time. Next time. Right.
Wendy:Well, I mean, I don't know. It's pretty loaded. But anyway, so I just wanted to put that out there. So I'm not I don't wanna sound like I'm judging or anything. No.
Wendy:Anybody who's We
Sarah:weren't judging. We were just
Wendy:Whatever beliefs that that you got. But, so for I guess, what I'll say is our more maybe materialist atheist friends who might buy into the idea that I could say this for mine that they're open to the idea that maybe there is life after death, but but they have that more materialist perspective of when you die, you probably die. That's it. And he would say, I'm okay with that.
Sarah:Well, yeah. I mean
Wendy:And it could be the case. We don't know for sure. Yeah. How
Sarah:could you not be okay with that? You know? It's like it's a pretty pretty neutral place to find yourself. You know?
Wendy:Yeah. But but the point being is that the common thread with our little informal, very scientific surveys is There. That the people who didn't have their beliefs about maybe how reality works and maybe their spiritual lives has led them to come to this conclusion that there is no such thing as fate. In other words, it it to me, that's a very kind of reductionist Yeah. Perspective.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. And and that, of course, is gonna color your experience of reality. So, if you have a fated experience, your belief system that fate doesn't exist, there's no such thing as destiny, nothing's predetermined in that way, then you won't see it if it does happen.
Sarah:Correct. Correct.
Wendy:So it doesn't mean that there's an absence of fated experiences. Correct. It's just you wouldn't see it that way or vice versa. We could be totally fooling ourselves into thinking that the things that we thought were fated are actually not, and maybe it's it's all just an intense series of coincidences.
Sarah:Oh, yes. Carl Jung said, no such thing, baby. Yeah. No coincidences. You know?
Sarah:And I I don't think there are coincidences. They they feel bigger than that.
Wendy:You know? But do you see what I mean? Just like just Yeah. Totally. This is so interesting to me, and it has been throughout my work is just how powerful and potent our beliefs are and how they influence the way we experience our lives and our reality, how they color our experience of reality.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:Like, you think if you work with your clients, right, and you're looking at examining together a wound that they're experiencing. Right?
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Or they have experienced and that's influencing them now. And then if you start looking, you'll see beliefs that have formed as a result of that wound. Yeah. And then as a result of that, their life is influenced by the belief
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:That came about because of the wounding. Yeah. Like, I'm not good enough or I don't deserve love or I'm a failure or whatever.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. All those good ones.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's you can have positive ones too. Right?
Sarah:Yeah. But those that you just mentioned are very, very much always on the table.
Wendy:Yeah. I mean, it's pretty human.
Sarah:Yeah. It's pretty human. And I think those are the things that really plague people. You know? It's just like this recording that's going and going and going and keeping you from joy and stepping into the next parts of your life.
Wendy:Yeah. That could be very paralyzing. Yeah. I wonder if the influence is really coming again from my training. One of the things I was taught again from the Hawaiian tradition is this real kind of foundational piece to that ancient wisdom tradition is this very simple statement, and it I don't know the the Hawaiian version of it, but the my understanding of the translation is that they would say the world is what you think it is.
Wendy:The world is what you think it is. And so what does that mean to you?
Sarah:What does that mean to me? It means we create our own reality based on our experiences and thoughts and senses and is that what you mean? Is that what you're asking?
Wendy:Yeah. The world is what you think it is. So why would they say that? Why would these very wise ancient people say that?
Sarah:Yeah. It's funny. I was just thinking about the Hawaiians this morning because, you know, the world is what you think it is. I had a very magical experience when I went to Kauai about, I don't know, ten ten years ago. So I was on the island of Kauai, and I became very aware of something just outside of my peripheral vision.
Sarah:It was like there was something there, and then it would be gone. And it kept happening to me. I'd be on the beach, and I'd see a flutter. And I've never been much into the Celtic fairies and all this kind of I've not really been attracted to that particularly. And I kept having this experience, and I thought, who what is this?
Sarah:Who who are these beings that are, like, just outside of my vision? And I journeyed to it at some point to find out, and I met these very small beings. Like, really magical. They were a lot sprites, or they were really energized. So in my journey, meet this small being or two and get all this information about it.
Sarah:And I came home after the trip, I thought, Boy, these are interesting beings. And I told one of my long friends who's a shamanic teacher, etcetera, Nan, I said, I had this experience. And she said, Oh, yeah, those are the Menomons. And I said, what are you talking about? You know?
Sarah:And so I, of course, got all googly into it. And and sure enough, there there were these beings that have you know, are they mythological? Are they spiritual? It's you know, there's a lot of controversy about it. But, you know, if if life is what you think it is, how do you explain something just coming out of the blue like that?
Sarah:You know? Where where it comes first. Oh, okay. So I see what you're saying. So I decide this is what it is.
Sarah:Got it. Got it.
Wendy:Bingo. Yes.
Sarah:Through that whole process to understand.
Wendy:No, that's beautiful. That's a great example. Yeah.
Sarah:That is a great example.
Wendy:We each of us individually are creating, weaving together our experience of reality based on what we think Yeah. And and probably even more importantly, what we believe.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And the beliefs are so deeply unconscious
Sarah:because Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if I didn't if I wasn't open to the idea of, like, other dimensional beings or or beings that are not part of what I'm seeing in the regular way, I would have never even noticed those. Right.
Wendy:That's what I would guess unless it was a faded moment where Yeah. You were closed off and you perceived something
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Otherworldly and that potentially could open you up. You were able to perceive something that
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:Turned your whole life in a whole new direction
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Or not
Sarah:Or not.
Wendy:But the event happened, and then you create a belief around or you you try to make sense of that experience if it's the first time. Yeah. Yeah. Each time we had a first experience, we had to make sense of it Yeah. In some way Yeah.
Wendy:Or reject it.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. But, again, back to, like, the fate aspect of it, you know, like, who you are born, you know. I mean, I was interested in the esoteric from the time I was very young. Like, I was, like, always, like, interested in I would find a dead bird.
Sarah:Like, what happens to the bird? And, you know, like, it was always this interest in what what else is there?
Wendy:The bigger picture.
Sarah:The bigger picture. And I was really into God and Jesus when I was little, going to church with my grandma. And so it just like, whatever the genes that that created the explosion of this life, the little spermies swimming up and banging into the egg. Like, is that you know, is there some aspect of fate there or not? You know?
Sarah:No. I guess not.
Wendy:I don't know. Now we could go back to the Oversoul conversation and and the suggestion that the Oversoul chooses the human. Yep. That it it's going to incarnate
Sarah:So the oversoul is floating around in the cosmos world. In the upper world and then chooses to come into Mhmm. Physical existence. So it's Just for fun?
Wendy:Well, it depends. From the oversoul perspective, it's a nonhuman perspective. So words like fun, I don't know if they would fit.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. That's right.
Wendy:At least that's my understanding. But in that sense, you could say your birth was fated. Yeah. Do
Sarah:do oversouls know other oversouls? Oh, yeah. Oh, really?
Wendy:Yeah. No. I don't know if you remember this from our conversation, but I talked about soul groups, like soul families or soul I don't remember that. There's I think I just mentioned it briefly in passing that there are oversouls who have close relationships, and they and they incarnate together and push each other
Sarah:thing is.
Wendy:Into new territory your human existence or whatever lived experience you're having. So It doesn't have to be on Earth.
Sarah:So when you meet a person who pushes you to some different experience, that is because the oversouls have made this kind of
Wendy:That's what I would suggest. Yeah. Is that there's there's an agreement. There's, like, these certain key moments throughout your lives where you bump up against each other and then there's the opportunity like you meeting your husband just by happenstance, your ex husband, I'm sorry, across the street. Yeah.
Wendy:And sparks That's fly
Sarah:your soul thing.
Wendy:Well, that the two of you probably made an agreement ahead of time to have to have that opportunity and then whether or not you take yourselves up on that opportunity getting to the agency free will part is is an, you know, another but the the I think sometimes the attraction is so strong that it's kind of hard. It's undeniable. And all of the work that needs to be done between the two of you is part of this unconscious draw, I think. There's a part of you that knows that, and so we dive into these experiences head first.
Sarah:That's super interesting. I I like that perspective. You know? Yeah. Boy.
Sarah:Oh, boy. Right. Big contracts with these people. Big contracts.
Wendy:Yeah. It leads me to wonder how much of our lives are are faded. Like, how much and we're just not aware of it.
Sarah:You mean, like, all of it?
Wendy:Well, I don't I I mean, a lot more than maybe the those really, really poignant experiences.
Sarah:But they're all poignant. I mean
Wendy:But but I mean the ones that stand out, the ones that are,
Sarah:like Yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit. Like, those moments.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:That feels super incredible and magnetic and magical and
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:I don't know. I mean I don't know either.
Sarah:This morning, when I was thinking about this before we got on our call, I was thinking about, like, the fate of being who you are. Is there because there are those that think we return from another life to karma and all that stuff. I mean, that's a pretty interesting perspective too, that there is life to life. So in the over soul idea, is there a karma situation also?
Wendy:Well, that's a great question. Thank you. I think it depends on who you talk to. Right? And I don't have the answer, but it's a great question because that ties into the belief thing because there are lots of different interpretations of what karma is depending on who you talk to.
Sarah:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Wendy:So there's a lot of people who have a punitive view of karma
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:In that, like, I must have really fucked up in that last lifetime because this lifetime, I'm paying for it. Yeah. And so that to me, that's a belief
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:That they heard and it's like, oh, well, that will explain why this lifetime is so hard. It's because I'm having to pay for actions I took in another lifetime. Is that true? I don't think that's how it works. I mean, my my crude understanding of of karma is that we have experiences from different vantage points in different lifetimes.
Wendy:Like, we can be the protagonist or the antagonist
Sarah:Mhmm. Yeah.
Wendy:As a way to help maybe certain evolutionary goals for our ourselves and members of our soul family or soul group.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. I had a really weird experience when I first moved here. So I live in the Hollywood Hills, not the not the, like, movie star Hollywood Hills. The
Wendy:The lesser ones. The less The lesser hills. The smaller hills.
Sarah:Well, they're not smaller, but the housing is
Wendy:different. Meant figuratively smaller. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. So I live like Griffith Park is there, and then my street comes down off of where the Hollywood Sign is, actually. So it's it's
Wendy:quite So you're over there. Okay.
Sarah:Yeah. That's where I am. And when I moved here, I would I would drive up into the into the hills just because I like looking at the architecture and the the houses. And really, it's a really lovely, incredible area. And I would drive up, and I would think, I've been here before.
Sarah:Like, I I felt this place in me. You know? And I got to the very, very, very top where there's this massive house, this massive building right at the very top of the of the Beechwood area. And it has it's been occupied by many bougie people, famous, etcetera. And it's called Wolf's Lair.
Sarah:And I looked at this place, and I thought I I remembered the inside of the building. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, I don't have a lot of these kinds of past life, like, memories, but this was so strong. It was like and I knew there was I knew there was, like, ways to get to, like, underground and, like, ways to get to other houses that had been closed up, but at the time had existed.
Sarah:And I knew I had lived there. And so I started exploring this in journeys, because it was so interesting. And what I discovered was that, in fact, I did live there in another life, and that I had been a really bad man. Like, I had Ah. So, like, the original Jeffrey Epstein kind of kind of man.
Wendy:And I'm sure you weren't the original.
Sarah:No. Probably
Wendy:ones that preceded you. Probably.
Sarah:Yeah. One or two. Yes. That's true. But you know what I mean.
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:And as I explored this, I had this incredible strong sense that I had come here to to this place to do work with people, and it was like a way of of making up for what I had done in that So I was doing good now, and and there was some kind of balance. And believe me, I'm not a person who gets into that way of thinking. You know? But it was quite shocking, really, how how real it felt. And, again, am I making up this story?
Sarah:How could that be? How could I even make that up? You know?
Wendy:No. That would require a a great deal of imagination, I would think.
Sarah:And I have a great deal of imagination, but but I wasn't looking for this one. You know? And the the sensation of, like, oh, I've I've been here before, and I would be compelled to drive into these streets. It was like I almost knew where to turn. You know?
Sarah:It was it was very strange feeling. Familiar. Yeah. I can see this man in my head, like, so like, little mustache, the kind of clothing he wore, the, you know, the time period it was. It was like in when was Prohibition?
Sarah:The twenties? No. I guess it wasn't that early. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know.
Sarah:But but there was a lot of lot of stuff going on. You know? So how do you how do you explain that? You know? How do you explain?
Sarah:Well, Sarah, how do you explain any of the shit we do? Really?
Wendy:Really. I mean, it's a leap from that that real practical view of reality. Reality. It's a bit of a leap. It's a big leap for some people.
Wendy:Right?
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:And yet, yeah, I mean, that would be an interesting conversation to have at some point too is just reality. Where we're landing on what it is, I mean, it's a loaded one, but and not we don't have to go into it right now because it's
Sarah:I'll make a note.
Wendy:Theology. I mean, just a light topic.
Sarah:What the hell is
Wendy:it? Because all of our topics are so light anyway. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
Wendy:I mean, I don't know either. Why do any of us have the experiences we're having in general? Who knows? Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah:Even when I met you, you know, there was there was a a kind of version of that. We we were both doing talks at an event in Vermont.
Wendy:That's right.
Sarah:And you went ahead of me, and then it was going be Peter and I doing our talk on shamanism as it exists in the Foundation for Shamanic Studies. And you went first, and I thought, I really like this woman. You were so irreverent and so Me? Yeah. And so funny.
Sarah:And just the feeling I had about you, like, right away was like, this is my kind of person. You
Wendy:know? Weirdo.
Sarah:And now it's how many years later? Thirty years later? Twenty five years later? Yeah. Well, that was probably in what?
Sarah:Probably the the late aughts. The late aughts. Yeah. That's right. And here we are doing this thing together.
Sarah:It's it's kind of funny.
Wendy:Yeah. And that we yeah. We stayed in touch here and there since you moved to LA.
Sarah:Very, very here and there. Yeah. Like, years would go by, and then suddenly we'd do a thing or you know, it's pretty interesting.
Wendy:Yeah. And Yeah. And then, yeah, you reached out and said, hey. Would you like to I've been thinking about a podcast.
Sarah:I said that?
Wendy:Yes. You that was your idea. My idea? It was your idea. And I said, I don't know if I can handle that right now.
Sarah:Get out of You're remembering this backwards. No. Yeah. Familiarly.
Wendy:And then I came back to you and said, I think I can handle it now. Are you are you still interested in doing it? Because I had the other podcast, and it was taking up a lot of time.
Sarah:Wow. That that must have been, like, some magic speaking through me because I can't imagine I said that to you. That's very funny.
Wendy:Yeah. It was a while ago. It was last year.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. And you said no. And then
Wendy:I said, look. Let me think about it or something like that. It was more around that could potentially be a lot of work, and I don't know if I have the bandwidth for that. And I had just come out of the flood with my business and
Sarah:Oh, right.
Wendy:Reestablishing and created my online shamanic course. There was there was a lot of things. And I was a little bit overwhelmed, I guess, and I I was, like, super flattered. Wow. Sarah would like to do a show with me.
Wendy:That's pretty cool.
Sarah:Really? Mhmm. Interesting.
Wendy:That's so yeah. So now I'm a little I'm a little I'm a little disheartened that you don't remember even asking. Yeah. It was a it was a fleeting moment in Sarah's life. She just happened to to Send that Yeah.
Wendy:Feel the gumption to send an email to Wendy and then promptly forgot about it. Probably forgot about it.
Sarah:That's typical of this mind. Yeah, the ADD mind. It's like, okay, now what? So, how do we conclude?
Wendy:Well, can we ever conclude? I mean,
Sarah:I guess we haven't really.
Wendy:Yeah. Well, I mean, we're just exploring. We're continuing the conversation on fate. Right? And and then I just was like, hey, My little conclusion was that isn't it interesting how our beliefs color whether or not we're gonna experience in our reality a thing like fate.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:So
Sarah:here we are. I'm super glad, like, glad that I create the reality that I'm living, where I'm in constant interaction with. It's it's not god. I don't like the word god. I use it sometimes just because it's simple and people know what it means.
Sarah:It's simple. The word god is simple. Yeah.
Wendy:Right. Right.
Sarah:Yeah. But you know what I mean. Sure. But, like, oh my god. Life would be so boring if if I didn't believe the things I believe, if I didn't want to explore the things that we explore, you know, looking at the esoteric and the it's it's like it makes life so much fun.
Sarah:Absolutely. But then, if for the people who haven't explored this, they wouldn't know that they might be missing something.
Wendy:No. Exactly. So it's no big deal for them. Yeah. Right?
Sarah:Right. And I didn't say I wish everybody felt
Wendy:Oh, no. I'm just I'm just sort of Yeah. Again, looking through that lens of the world is what you think it is, that your beliefs, your thoughts are actually filters
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:That are are coloring your experience of your reality.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And it just shows how potent our thoughts are because you can believe whatever the fuck you want.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And there are examples of that in the world.
Sarah:Yes. They're really
Wendy:Lots of just go on the Internet, for example. Lots of lots of beliefs and thoughts.
Sarah:Have you ever watched those cult? Love cult shit. It's fascinating. Interesting.
Wendy:It's so fascinating. But yet, how very intelligent very intelligent people can be kind of swept into a very charismatic leader's words.
Sarah:Some of them aren't even
Wendy:very And techniques.
Sarah:Got it.
Wendy:But there's some draw. I know. There's some draw. Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:Whether it's a promise or what the world of of cults is fascinating to me. Again, that's all belief. Right? It's all it's all belief.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes and you know, when you watch them, you think, how do people believe this stuff? And and maybe that's true of us as well. You know?
Wendy:Exactly. Yeah. No. I mean, that's a great point. Why do any of us believe anything we believe?
Wendy:There's gotta be a draw. There's gotta be something that's that's intriguing. Or solving your problems. I think
Sarah:folks do that a lot. They solve what you're
Wendy:And they make a promise that if you do x, y, and z, you're going to achieve this outcome. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Well Yeah. We don't do that.
Wendy:Yeah. We do would you like this to become a cult? This conversation you and I are having, we could be in our own cult.
Sarah:A cult of two?
Wendy:Yeah. Do you wanna be the leader?
Sarah:Yeah. No. I don't wanna be the leader.
Wendy:You could draw on your previous lifetime in that Hollywood Hills home.
Sarah:Yeah. He was bad. Don't know his name, but Let's call him Stan. I could probably figure it out. I could probably research.
Wendy:Yeah. There are probably libraries there somewhere in L.
Sarah:Sure.
Wendy:Yeah, with newspapers
Sarah:Yeah. I mean
Wendy:On the old microfiche.
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Well, should we leave it there?
Wendy:And let's
Sarah:continue next time with reality. Because we're messing with the ideas of reality now and what it is, just as we're unfolding in talking about fate, etcetera.
Wendy:Okay. So we have a week to figure out what reality is.
Sarah:Okay. Well, we have a week to figure out what questions to ask. Yeah, was teasing. I know, I know. I know you were.
Sarah:But we do have a week to figure out what questions to ask. Yeah. God, there's a lot of them. I mean, I question reality every single day. I mean, especially now when reality has become so slippery.
Sarah:Right? You know, it's like Yeah.
Wendy:What's that about?
Sarah:What's that about?
Wendy:What does that suggest about the nature of reality?
Sarah:Exactly. Exactly. You look at a you look at a video or whatever, and it's like, oh my god. Look at that. And then you realize, oh, wait.
Sarah:This is not that. This isn't, you know, generated little video. Like, I don't know. I it's hard
Wendy:to It's a lie.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so let's go there next time.
Wendy:That sounds good. Okay. Alright. Just a light topic.
Sarah:A light topic.
Wendy:Yeah. Alright. Well, then until next time.
Sarah:See you next time. Bye.
Wendy:Bye.