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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
Hey everybody. Welcome back to episode 11, the Memorial Day edition. It is. Awesome. How are we doing?
Scott:Everyone is good over here.
Jamie:Yeah. Barbecue? Anything today? Barbecue. No.
Jamie:Are you guys doing a little pool action tonight?
Scott:There was some pool action, water sports.
Jamie:A little chilly for pool. Well, it was better today than it has been.
Scott:Yesterday, we were that family that could not deviate from our commitment to going to the town pool.
Jamie:Oh, you were there yesterday?
Scott:Oh yeah, and that was a fail.
Jamie:That must have been brutal. It was cold yesterday. Was cold last like
Scott:three were the cast and it was cold, but we went.
Jamie:Yeah, what a rough Memorial Day weekend weather It's
Scott:been too long there. There was something on, dare I say I saw on Instagram, that said the last like, oh, don't know, twenty seven weekends, at least here around our area, that we have not had a clear Saturday and Sunday back to back for like twenty seven weeks, something ridiculous.
Jamie:Is that right?
Scott:Something crazy like that, yeah.
Jamie:I actually didn't know that. Wow, it doesn't feel like it. Couple days were brutal though. Last couple of days, we're not
Scott:good. Had a bunch of sleepovers at our house. Nice. Children. Yeah.
Jamie:If it was adults, I would say that's questionable.
Scott:Yeah. Definitely would be questionable. That was not an hour.
Jamie:Got it.
Scott:Yeah. No. We had some cousins sleep over a friend, a hockey friend from last year.
Jamie:Oh, very nice. Isn't it crazy that, you know, most of your hockey buddies or kids' hockey buddies probably are not local, at least not around here. Obviously some are, but, I'm trying to think of like Dominic's hockey buddies. There's not a lot that are They're close by.
Scott:So we have, I would say within probably even three minutes of driving.
Jamie:You have a bunch? Oh wow, that's impressive.
Scott:But none of them that Otto is friends with. At some point he was on a team with one of each of these three
Jamie:kids not at
Scott:the same time but differently at different times. And yeah, no, no, there's more than three. There's four kids that are
Jamie:The new team.
Scott:No, old team.
Jamie:Oh, old team. Oh, see, that's surprising because Dom's old team, the closest kid is about a half hour away. And after that, Brooklyn. But you're half full for that rank. Greenwich.
Scott:So Like not close. But how far you're how far from that rink?
Jamie:An hour.
Scott:You're an hour. So there's some kids that are closer to the rink.
Jamie:One. One kid's like ten minutes away. One kid's ten minutes, one kid was yeah, one. We had two from Long Island. We had one from Florida.
Jamie:We had one from Pennsylvania. We had one from Binghamton, New York.
Scott:So how long
Jamie:is that? Two from Brooklyn?
Scott:That was at least three hours.
Jamie:One from Connecticut. Oh, Binghamton. We were North Jersey. One is not far from us, about a half hour in North Jersey. I'm drawing a bike.
Jamie:One was like Upstate New York.
Scott:Not including Binghamton, different Upstate New York.
Jamie:Different Upstate New York. Yeah. Yeah. No, we were all over the place at first. Yeah.
Scott:How far is the drive? Hershey, didn't you have someone from Hershey, Pennsylvania? You're a goalie.
Jamie:Hershey and Binghamton were the two farthest, two and a half hours, I think each, to get to the
Scott:rink and then back. And they would do that for practice? Yeah. How many times a week?
Jamie:We had one practice Wednesday for two and a half hours
Scott:and then weekends.
Jamie:And then weekends, Saturday and Sunday,
Scott:and That the development.
Jamie:That was the developmental model. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you, as a parent, you didn't have to be there, you know, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, or like Monday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Jamie:Right. You know, you were there because we, we didn't, we didn't really have like a set schedule game wise. We didn't know a league when we first started it. So, you know, we had like one showcase or one or two showcases per month. So our practice schedule was two hours, Wednesday, two and a half hours, Wednesday or something like that.
Jamie:Then two and a half Saturday, two and a half Sunday. Wow. So, yeah. So they would all come. That was kind of one of the selling features of the team was
Scott:that we will take kids from no matter where you live on the planet.
Jamie:We, we, we, mean, listen, it was, it was a, it was a great selling feature when we first started it.
Scott:But which part specifically?
Jamie:The developmental model is, because think about it. We had like nine hours of practice.
Scott:Just like the overarching.
Jamie:In a week where everybody else normally has three or four and a half or five, you know? So we were not driving to like the middle of nowhere to play games. We were not driving up to like, you know, Albany to play games every week. And we're not driving out to like, I don't know, you know, Pittsburgh to play games, know, or like middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania every weekend, you know, we were just practicing. So as we were developing, everybody else was driving and playing these crazy games, you know, so, so people would come from far away because of the model.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Right. It was cool. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. It sounds like it.
Jamie:Listen, but, but on the flip side, you know, you know, hanging out with a friend, like outside of hockey, you know, they're not that situation is a lot of close kids.
Scott:Yeah. No doubt.
Jamie:You know, the new team that we're on, much closer, much better.
Scott:So wait. So do you still talk to any of the families from the old club?
Jamie:I do. Yeah. Actually, it's, you know, nice little segue. That is actually well done by you. I'm telling you.
Jamie:So yes, I do. I talked to a bunch of them. What's actually pretty funny is I know you and I talked about this beforehand. So it's when we started this podcast in March, kind of the March, we didn't really tell a lot of people about it. Like our friends, like some of our families knew, like immediate families knew, but we didn't really, and we still haven't told anybody about it.
Jamie:Not really. Actually to this day. Right. We really haven't mentioned it to a lot of people. But what's funny is I thought it would take years for it to come back to us.
Jamie:Years, years. I thought it would take a long time for people to hear the podcast, figure out it was us or know me or know you,
Scott:You dropped some pretty, obvious indicators.
Jamie:Yeah. But think about how many people are out there. How many people, how many people listen to podcasts? Right?
Scott:Hear
Jamie:you. Even hockey podcasts, like I didn't understand the reach of our listener base. I didn't understand the reach of podcasts. You know what I mean? Like how
Scott:it's just like, it pushes out to other people. Yeah. Like they even get like recommended.
Jamie:Right. Like we're, we're in, we're in like six right now. We're in six Canadian provinces. We're in, we're in, we're in 30 States.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Right. We've already gone overseas a couple of times, you know, was it Netherlands, Turkey, Puerto Rico. So like, didn't, so I didn't expect, I knew it was going to come back to us. I just didn't expect to come back to us so fast.
Scott:Right. And so, so, so families have been saying,
Jamie:so my one buddy who, who I am very tight with, he, he was one of the, one of the other dads that, that was involved in setting up our rockets team a couple of years ago. His son's still there. So he texts me and he's like, do you have a podcast? So I was like, oh my God. I'm like, you know, really already.
Jamie:Right. So I call him and, I'm like, what's going on? He's like, Jamie, he's like, he's like, so he just ran. So how and he says to me, he goes, do you have a podcast? So I start laughing.
Jamie:Right? He's like, oh my god, you do. Right. So I was like, I was like, Chris, I'm like, how do you know? I'm like, you got to tell me like how you found this out.
Jamie:So one of the dads who has a twenty eleven child, okay, who played, who we knew in Hackensack when we played there, he was on the team above us. Right. Cause he's twenty eleven, he's year older than our kids.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And then he went to the colonials. We knew him over there because another dad of ours was over there. And then he went to the, so now he's on the Rockets elevenths.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Okay. And the crazy part about it is, is this father lives one town over from me.
Scott:No way.
Jamie:Right there. Like if Dominic were to go to like public high school, they would be in the same high
Scott:No way. I didn't know that. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Dominic and his kid would be in the same. They've played spring league for this, for this high school team. Oh, Yeah. Couple of years ago, they did.
Jamie:Because he's an 11, Dom's a 12. So they played like squirts together. When Dom was a first year squirt and he gave us a second year squirt.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:So, so this guy came up to Chris and said, Hey, your buddy who used to play here, like, does he have a podcast? Chris is like, No, I don't think so. So this guy's like, I think it may be him. So Chris texted me. He's like, he's like called me.
Jamie:He's like, and I started laughing. He's like, my God. He's like, is you, isn't it? So again, we didn't tell anybody, but it came back very quickly. So not only that came back very quickly, which was crazy, but then like a couple of days, literally a couple of days later, my buddy who's from the, we were just talking about Binghamton, my buddy whose son's on the team from Binghamton.
Jamie:Okay. Still traveling from Binghamton, still traveling from Binghamton funny, dude. I have to have both hit Ben and Chris shout out to you boys. I had to shout out Ben, Chris, Kareem, and Rob. I miss you guys.
Jamie:He's like, you know, just, you know, I know all of you are listening. Shout out to you boys. But, yeah, so, so Ben texts me and he's like, he's like, so he, he, I guess he just got himself a Rivian, the truck. They're awesome.
Scott:So
Jamie:Chris, the guy I'm talking about has one as well. That's why Ben got one. Cause Ben's used to, he was driving Christmas. So obviously he liked it. So we got the Rivian.
Jamie:So he texted me and he's like, dude, he's like, I'm in my Rivian. He's like, he's, he's like in bees in the back seat. He's like, and all of a sudden your podcast starts playing on through my like Spotify or whatever he used, whatever he listens through, but it was going through his car and it just started playing. He's like, he's like, he's like, me and B are sitting there listening. And he's like, Holy shit.
Jamie:That's dreamy.
Scott:That's wild.
Jamie:He's like, it took like fifteen seconds to figure it out.
Scott:That's so crazy.
Jamie:Yeah. But it's funny because we didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell any of these people.
Scott:No, I mean, I certainly don't know how like algorithms work and suggesting things. I
Jamie:mean, right?
Scott:Like, I don't know. Yeah. Right. I mean, that, that happens so quick. Think so.
Jamie:Dude, nuts. And then, and then, and then Chris sends me and then Chris sends me like a screenshot of a text with like him, Ben, Kareem and Rob. So I guess Ben wrote on the text thread with the four of them. He's like, dude, he's like, Trebe's podcast started playing my Rivian and Kareem's like, Trebe's got a podcast?
Scott:There you go.
Jamie:So it was pretty funny, man. So it kind of came back already.
Scott:That's awesome.
Jamie:Which is nuts.
Scott:Yeah, dude.
Jamie:You know? Mean, I figured it would You're
Scott:so famous.
Jamie:No, no, no. Let's not get crazy. You're so famous. Let's not get crazy. Like, I figured it would happen.
Jamie:Yeah. I just didn't know it happened this quick. Like, would, did, would you have thought that it would come back this quick? We told, do we told nobody?
Scott:I mean, probably not. I didn't think about it, but it is.
Jamie:We told nobody about this.
Scott:Yeah. No, it's true.
Jamie:I mean, I'm just waiting for, for now your side to come back around and people to find out they figured that you're doing this.
Scott:Yeah, that it hasn't happened yet.
Jamie:Don't be surprised if people know about it already and it just hasn't gotten back to Yeah,
Scott:I mean, that's fine. Either way, I mean, obviously we're doing this and it's bound to happen.
Jamie:Listen, so shout out to my Rockets boys. I miss you guys.
Scott:All right. There that is. Yeah. So in any event, this year, new team for this guy we already, know, we, so one of the things and I think
Jamie:that's right. Guys are new parents, new new team.
Scott:Yeah. New parents on a new team.
Jamie:And you guys have a, like most of your team is new. No?
Scott:Yes. Well, seems like there's like two main clicks. There's the team from last season and the ones that are still on the squad.
Jamie:And then
Scott:since the program Oregon absorbed the other team, so there's like a click of kids from that squad.
Jamie:Oh, you guys have a couple of them too?
Scott:A %. Okay. For sure. And then there's like a few outliers like Otto and this other kid who played, actually also played AAA last season
Jamie:and stepped Nice.
Scott:Yeah. So in any event, we haven't had an in person parent meeting.
Jamie:Oh, you haven't?
Scott:No. There was an email that went out. It's been a little fractured. But one of the things that I just want say, so we talked about and side stepping a little bit, but earlier when we started doing this podcast or maybe before we've started talking about it, we were talking about how to scan the organization for coaches, right? Because that's like an important piece of the puzzle.
Scott:So earlier in the season, I took our own advice and then emailed the Just like get a little bit of information, just about like where he's been, what he's done, blah, blah, blah. So that worked out well.
Jamie:Good, good, good.
Scott:So check that box.
Jamie:Like
Scott:that? Yeah, I don't think the coach thought I was a weirdo though.
Jamie:No, I wouldn't, unless you'd said something strange to him.
Scott:No, no, no, no.
Jamie:That was- Less is more.
Scott:Less is more. Then we were looking for a team manager. We got one and he started taking the reins on communication. And then it was like some of the clarifying questions that I had came from this podcast such as like, okay, well like what's included tuition with respect to the tournaments because that wasn't outlined so well. And a few other things.
Scott:So in any event, I've asked some questions early on of the coach as well as the team manager. I don't know how many other people are reaching out. But I think so far, nothing out
Jamie:of bounds, at the same time,
Scott:there's like a new group of people and having come from, I'd love to hear some of your stories, but just going from AAA to AA and maybe just some of the conversations you had. And I don't want to come across as like, oh, we
Jamie:were playing with that team You know what
Scott:I mean?
Jamie:Yeah. Right. So our topic is how not to suck as a parent on a new team.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:Yep.
Jamie:So I, and I know you and I were kind of chatting about this beforehand. I guess it's, you know, I guess try not to bring a kid that sucks to the team. The team is kind of first and foremost,
Scott:but that's not the organization. I mean, when you say sucks, you mean talking about a hockey ability or you're talking
Jamie:about a problem child. Yeah. No, no, no. Listen, Ability is ability. It is what it is.
Jamie:Yeah. You know, but right. That's on the organization. Right. That's not, has nothing to do, you know, but, but bringing a tough kid into a situation is, listen, but you know what?
Jamie:Most parents that have tough kids, I don't think they know their kids are tough. Do you? Maybe some do and some don't, you know?
Scott:I think there's a lot that goes into that.
Jamie:I've seen some parents that are really blind to that stuff.
Scott:Yeah, that definitely exists. I I think there's a pretty broad spectrum when it comes to like awareness I think it has to do with like, you know, whatever the parent parental values are and like, you know, there's a lot that goes into that for sure.
Jamie:Yeah, no, right. I mean, listen, when you're, all right. So from my own experience last year coming to a new team, how many new, I'm trying think how many new kids there were last year. I want to say there were like one, two, three, four, five. There were probably like five of us.
Jamie:Yeah. You know, it was a pretty good core of kids there, you know, that were at the organization. Some kids that came up from a lower team up, but they all kind of still knew each other. And then they added one, two goalie, call it like, they were like probably five ish, something like that they were added. I'm not going to lie.
Jamie:At the first parent meeting, Nancy and I were, like, it's strange when you don't know, when you don't know anybody, it's, it's, it's odd.
Scott:And you were coming from like a tight knit group, which you obviously just coming out and so now
Jamie:you're Coming from a super tight knit group, you know? And it's funny when you come from, like, a group like that, you know, like, I remember Nancy and I were like, we're not making friends with anybody. Like
Scott:because it was just
Jamie:like upsetting. Yeah. Listen, when you, when you leave a good parent group, it's very difficult, you know, because we've talked about on this podcast before, you know, you spend so much time with these people, you know, that they, you, I think you said it, you see them more than you see a lot of family and friends.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:Right. And the amount of time that you spend with them on the road in tournaments, you know, all this stuff it's it's it's, you know, so it gets, you, you build a relationship with them, especially if it's over a couple of years.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:Right. So we did two years there. And it was a very involved two years. It's not like I was on the peripheral, like I was really involved.
Scott:You were in the thick of it.
Jamie:Yeah. So like, you know, I was, I was really involved with it. So, you know, so when you leave a group like that, it's hard, you know? So I remember Nancy and I were like, you know, we're not making friends anymore. This
Scott:is right.
Jamie:Were, because you know, you don't want to, it takes effort to do. Yeah. A %. Right. Right.
Jamie:So, you know, and I'm sure we were still jaded, bent
Scott:out of Yeah. Like, is part of that about like, you made close friends. Now you've kind of, I don't want to say you've lost those friends and are you being protective of creating a new set of deeper relationships that are maybe gonna
Jamie:go away after one year? Mean, I think you're probably a little guarded.
Scott:Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Jamie:And I think you're probably a little jaded, a little bitter, not bitter, bitter, maybe not bitter, but bitter's not the right word because I actually had no problem making the move to pull Dominic out of where we pulled him out of because it wasn't right for him. Right. You know, so I wasn't bitter. But maybe I just didn't want to put the effort in. Yeah.
Jamie:You know what I mean? So I remember Nancy and were like, we're not talking to anybody. We're not gonna make friends with anybody.
Scott:It was
Jamie:so childish and ridiculous. But I think we, because we hadn't moved teams in a long time, so it was, know, but then I have to tell you, you know, once you're there, you settle in very quickly. You start chatting with people and it's just like same old situation. You make friends again, it's the same shit.
Scott:Yeah. So that kind of went away rather quickly.
Jamie:It did. Yeah. I think so. Thought it did. It went away quickly for us, you know, and even for Nancy, you know?
Scott:It was interesting when, so last season I was also, so this is my second new team
Jamie:in two
Scott:years. And last year I had gone, that was the first year I was
Jamie:Right, you mentioned
Scott:you
Scott:were guarded
Jamie:was
Scott:intentionally guarded just from leaving one organization and there was a wide spectrum of parents on
Jamie:that And
Scott:then I go to another club and I was really not interested- In making friends. In making friends.
Jamie:Did you wind up making friends?
Scott:I did, but I think I was still pretty guarded though. All right, listen. Even though I opened up way more than I thought I was planning on it. And it was Yeah, don't know. It was a strange thing and I can understand going to a new place and having it be awkward and not sure what you're gonna get out of group.
Scott:But I think ultimately, we're just reflecting on last season. I think I did more than fine job just being part of the group. But like, I would say I didn't develop any really close relationships. Like the ones that you were referring to in
Jamie:the beginning of the Yeah. Know, it's interesting. So I had a little bit of a head start, you know, so Dominic's godparents, their sons on the team.
Scott:Oh, that's right.
Jamie:Right. So like, it was easier for me because he's there.
Scott:So he was already like,
Jamie:yeah, my good buddy from high school was there. So it's, who's now Dominic's godparents, him and his lovely wife. So there are sons on the team too. So it was kind of easy.
Scott:Oh, well, at least you had someone that was like, were tight with that was already there. And they could give you the lay of the
Jamie:land and all that Now when, and I don't know this to be true, but you know, when Dominic was coming to the team as a triple a player, you know, I'm sure that I know the kids were a little skeptical about him,
Scott:about him, about his, his ability, meaning that like he wasn't all that.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, it's, I got to tell you, dude, these kids know everything. Like they look up stats. Like they all have phones.
Jamie:They look up stats. They, they know what like premier is. Like they know like triple a and triple a premier, like they know stuff, like stuff that like, you wouldn't think they would know, but they know it.
Scott:Because a handful of kids that have access
Jamie:to They all have iPhones, they all have iPhones.
Scott:So they're looking up their buttons and searching names and looking up numbers. Wild. I can't believe they actually have stats for such young age groups.
Jamie:I'm telling you, I think I told you the story, you know, were two kids on the team. Maybe I told it on this podcast. There were two kids on the team when Dom first started, they were giving him stick because he didn't, I don't think he knew his role yet and what he should be doing on the ice with the, like he was still trying to find his way with this new group for the first couple of games. So he was not productive first couple of games and in the locker room after the games, try anything. I think we won one and lost one.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:And they, one of them, oh, two of them turned to him and were like, you're not a triple a player. You didn't play triple a last year. Tom was like, what? Sorry?
Scott:I'm sorry. Excuse me.
Jamie:So he was he was, like, taken back by it. He was he was he was, like, really pissed off. Like, I remember I remember he came home. He's like, dad, he's like, you know, he's like, he's like, I don't like this. He was not not a happy camper.
Scott:And how did that season end?
Jamie:Well, he
Scott:showed them.
Jamie:What I told him at the time, like, like we've talked before, I didn't call parents. I didn't like, you know, go go in the locker room and be like, hey, stop talking to my kid like that. I didn't do any of that stuff. Did your
Scott:son steal my son's helmet?
Jamie:Are you gonna tell that story today? No. You probably should, by the way, just for context purposes. Children are funny. Poor Scott's son.
Jamie:Children are funny. They're they're funny and ridiculous at the same time. Yep. You know? But, so I told him, I said, listen, just go do your thing.
Jamie:I go in. Once you start producing, go, that will all quiet itself. Luckily as a parent, you say things and you hope that that will come to fruition. So you actually know what you're talking about or look like, you know what you're talking about to your child. Right?
Jamie:So I said to him, I said, Don't pay any mind to it. I said, you just go out and once you start producing things will change. They will look at you differently and lock on wood. It happened that way. He went out and he had a big time year and that stopped very quickly.
Jamie:Very quickly.
Scott:So, okay, we talked about two things just now. One, from perspective as being new parents on the team, we both went into, for me last season, for you last season also. Yeah, we both did it last year with new teams.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah.
Scott:You were But you were
Jamie:still playing triple A last year.
Scott:Yeah, correct. But either way. When I say you, mean obviously auto. Guarded. We were somewhat guarded.
Jamie:And then we Nancy and I 100% were.
Scott:And then we opened up and the season finished out okay. Now I think that if I had stuck to what my original plan was, which was to really make no effort and be totally closed off, I think that would have been pretty stupid
Jamie:Yeah, you don't want to do that.
Scott:No, well I did.
Jamie:But you don't want to continue to
Scott:No, I understand that. But you know what I came to realize? Was kind of hard, like in the beginning when I was really just trying to be standoffish or I was being standoffish, it hard for me to put on that front. I was like, Oh really, this is kind of taking energy. I was
Jamie:like, no, it takes effort. It takes effort to stay by yourself on the glass and not engage a lot of people.
Scott:Takes absolutely effort. And so that was part of what, and yeah, that was part of it.
Jamie:Especially like if the kids win, want to be happy for all of them and give them a high fives as they're coming off the ice, something like that. Hey, big game guys, you know, mean, look, you you want, and you should be doing that stuff because that's what parents are for. Even if it's not your kid, Hey, good game guys. Nice game way to go.
Scott:Right. So, so if you're a parent going to a new team, the like, it's understandable that you might have feelings that are like not so positive about being about a new But long term, it's probably in any parent's best interest
Jamie:to If you get over it quickly and figure it out.
Scott:To have some level of participation or you know, have make a few friends. Like, I don't even know what I'm, there's no real prescription, but it's just
Jamie:like, be closed off the whole season. There's no reason to listen, you're all there to watch your kid's team. You know, it's a team of kids. So you want to root for the team, you know, you know, regardless of how you feel, you have to root the team on. Right.
Jamie:Cause that's what you're there for.
Scott:No, a %. But it's whether or not you're doing it by yourself or with others. And ultimately, I think just being part of the mix at some level is important.
Jamie:Like, you're totally, you don't want to be, don't want to ostracize, you know, yourself, your family, because then not that it ostracizes the kid. Cause me, cause I don't think it does, but, know, every, everybody has not everybody, but everybody's been on a team where one parent just like is always not around, you know, they're never like, you know what I mean? Like, there's always kids on teams where the parents doing their own thing or like, which is fine. And people
Scott:might legitimately have other things that they need to be So
Jamie:that's fine. No question about it. But I think for the most part, parents come together as a team, know, if you like them or not. You're going to have to for the kids.
Scott:But then on the other end, so two thoughts. Sorry. One, the follow-up to that was then we're talking about being a part of a new team and let's say your kid is getting some stick. So as a parent, you have a choice on how you're going to deal with any problems that might come up right out of the gate. It's probably different in the beginning when you don't have certain relationships.
Scott:People don't necessarily know you. You don't know them. You don't know blah, blah, blah, blah. Later in the season, it might be a different conversation if you've already developed some relationships maybe it's
Jamie:different conversation with your kid or with the parent? Or both. See, I don't talk to parents. If there's an issue with my kid and their kid, that's just me though.
Scott:Oh, sorry. Let me just No, no, no, I agree. Yes. But what I was saying
Jamie:You were going down another road. Okay.
Scott:During the course of the several months, you'll have conversations with these parents. They will get to know you a little bit. You will get to know So then if there is some stick happening in the locker room that, you know, that might be navigated a little differently if you know the person at this point.
Jamie:No question about it. It's probably an easier conversation. Right. But, but it's funny. I don't have that.
Jamie:Like if my kid is having an issue with somebody else's kid or vice versa, I let them hammer it out. Do. I don't get involved. I don't get involved. I don't, we've talked about this on, I don't know, maybe it was two podcasts ago or three podcasts ago.
Jamie:I don't call parents. Yep. I don't call back, hey, you know, Johnny and Dom are having I'm just throwing
Scott:But let me ask
Jamie:you There's nobody named Johnny. I'm throwing the name out there. You know, are having an issue. Like, you know, can you help me out here?
Scott:But if something does happen, like, you would probably show up on unicycle.
Jamie:You you have to tell the story now. No. You kinda have to because you've already dropped, like, two, like That was a mistake. Two lines about it.
Scott:I couldn't resist.
Jamie:I I almost feel like you kinda have to tell it.
Scott:No. So okay. So so I no. There was a parent that that came came to my house with a group of children to accuse my son of stealing one of the kids' bicycle helmets.
Jamie:On an electric unicycle.
Scott:Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Jamie:Need I say more?
Scott:Only for them to admit that no one saw Otto with a helmet or his friend. And so then
Jamie:He accused him of stealing it.
Scott:Yeah. The kid flat out
Jamie:accused Accused your son of stealing
Scott:his And then he left and clearly went back to where he left his helmet because he came back with his helmet.
Jamie:And this father came on a electric unicycle. Yeah. It's not a unicycle. It's a one wheeler. Did it say unicycle?
Jamie:Maybe. It was that one wheeled
Scott:Not to confuse it with like was
Jamie:a one wheeler.
Scott:Yeah, I know what
Jamie:you mean. Like that's true. It's called a one wheel. That's what's called. It's called the one wheel.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Like, listen.
Scott:So in any event, so that that happened.
Jamie:So this dad with this one wheel pulled up in front of your house
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:With, like, a gaggle of kids behind him.
Scott:Yes.
Jamie:And one came to your door, rang the bell, and said, excuse me, sir. Your son stole my kid's helmet.
Scott:Then when
Jamie:How did you take this father serious on a one wheel, by the way? Sorry. Just had to say it. Sorry.
Scott:Yeah. No, no, it's okay. Know, was
Jamie:I would not be able to take this gentleman seriously.
Scott:I was fine, I was a little annoyed about the fact that this kid being led by a parent is accusing my son of stealing I get it. Without clearly any due diligence being done because number one
Jamie:Did he have a helmet on by the way?
Scott:No. Wait, which one?
Jamie:The dad.
Scott:On the Onewheel? No, he did not. Okay. Anyway, we don't need to talk about this. The bottom line is that here's an example of a parent getting involved with the kid's stuff and I don't know, it wasn't a great look.
Jamie:Listen, I don't have you, do you call parents? I don't call parents.
Scott:If auto has any issues, it's always been talk to the coach, talk to whoever's
Jamie:to hammer it out with your teammate. And I have to tell you, I don't know why in society we've kind of like some kids aren't going to get along. That's fine. That's okay. Like some kids are not going to like my kid.
Jamie:Some kids are going to like my kid. I mean, many of us have had teammates, classmates, work colleagues that you just don't jive with?
Scott:Yeah, that's fine.
Jamie:And it's fine.
Scott:Right, you just need to learn how to deal
Jamie:with it. You just need to learn how to deal with it.
Scott:No doubt. That's all I Okay, so just to try to keep on topic with this, the not sucking as a new parent. So early on Dom gets some stick from some players. He's upset, talks to you about it, But then after that, do you feel, and again I know your stance on this, but do you think that there's a place for a parent to advocate for their child when it's happening amongst peers? Is there a circumstance where a parent could come to you and be like, Hey, listen.
Scott:And again, this has not happened. But if Dom was giving someone the short end of a stick and the parent came to you and said, Hey, listen, Dom, I kind of won't leave my kid alone. Just want to give you a heads up. Like, you is there room for that in in your
Jamie:You know, so so personally, this is gonna sound really bad, but I don't have patience for that. Okay. Like, like, unless it's unbelievably egregious Yeah. Like, don't come to me. Like, to have the coach deal with it.
Jamie:Like, number one, and I'm not not just saying this because my kid, but I don't have issues with him. Right. My kids are pretty and I'm not just saying this, he's my kid. And I'm not just saying this because I have, I'm like a dad with blinders on, because I'm not, you know, my kid has flaws like any other kid, but my kid doesn't, for whatever reason, he doesn't really get involved in that stuff.
Scott:He doesn't stir the pot with others.
Jamie:He's he's the first one out of the locker room. Like he doesn't stay and hang out. Like he just, he, he just, he plays and gets in and gets out.
Scott:It's like, kind sounds like all business.
Jamie:Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. He, you know, cause he said to me before he's like, he's like, I'm like, cause I'm upset. I'm like, I want you to hang out with your teammates at locker room?
Jamie:Like kind of BS. Like that's where like camaraderie, you know, kind of like happens. Right. He's like, daddy's like, it's nonsense. He's like, just want to get change and leave.
Jamie:Okay. I'm like, fine, listen. Listen, and he's a good teammate.
Scott:But do you think any of that has to do with some of the stuff that happened early on?
Jamie:I think, so with our last team, there were a lot of like shenanigans in the locker room. So I think he's like, I'm just going to get dressed and get out.
Scott:You're talking about this past
Jamie:season No, the
Scott:Oh, so
Jamie:he's like, I just want get dressed and get out
Scott:of the locker room. But is that stem from ultimately, like, kids
Jamie:being kids? I take that back. It wasn't it's I would say since he's, like, eight Yeah. Like, he's seen stuff in locker rooms on all the teams we've been on.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And he just he he used to hang out in locker rooms no more. Now he's like, I'm out. He's always the first one out of the locker Practice games, he doesn't hang out.
Scott:Oh, okay. Yeah.
Jamie:For whatever reason.
Scott:Someone's gotta be the first
Jamie:one out. So in my opinion, if a parent comes to me, I'm not saying I will not engage that parent. Of course I will, you know, but I don't have patience for it.
Scott:Okay. That's fair. Know? But, so, but let me ask
Jamie:you question. Because I don't want to fight my kid's battle and I don't think that parent should fight their kid's battle.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:I think if there's an issue, you go to the coach, the coach normally most of the time can solve that. Right?
Scott:Should be able to.
Jamie:And if not, if it goes, if it's, if it goes above that, which I've, I've never even had a parent come to me like, you know, your kid's a problem. Right.
Scott:Right. No, of course.
Jamie:No, I'm Your kids give my kid a problem. I've never had that. Right. But, if there was something major, of course I would, I would address and deal with it, you know, but I want, and I think other parents should let their kids fight their own battles. Cause it's important for as a life, we talk a lot about life skills on
Scott:this podcast.
Jamie:Right. It's a good life skill. I don't want to fight my kid's battles. And I don't think any other again, we talked about a kid last week on the podcast, the kid who was eating, eating, came off the ice during practice and was eating literally right outside the rink, sitting there and the parent bought them dinner while his teammates are practicing on the ice. I don't think that helped that child.
Scott:But that was right. So just contextually, that's like not fighting a battle, but that's just like a parent's over involvement in whatever the kids got going Correct.
Jamie:%.
Scott:Okay. Got it.
Jamie:And I think that, in my opinion, that ostracized that child in the locker room. There was also an instance early on in the season where I guess somebody was breaking the kid's chops. Listen, kids break chops. Adults break chops. How many times do you and I call each other dickhead?
Jamie:Plenty. All the time. Yeah. It's just what you do. You bust chops.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Right? I almost feel like guys bust chops to show somebody that they actually like, like the person. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Am I wrong?
Jamie:Right? No. So the kids bust chops, same thing. Listen, some kids do it with some malice intent, which is not right, You know, but it's part of life. It's part of growing up.
Scott:No
Jamie:doubt. Right? So the same child who came out and ate on the side of the rink in full view of the kids that were his teammates that were on the While
Scott:they're practicing.
Jamie:While they're practicing this kid's eating. I asked Dominic, it wasn't tacos.
Scott:It wasn't tacos.
Jamie:It was a quesadilla. So I was close. Okay. Because I said after last episode, I said to Dominic.
Scott:Thank you for correcting me.
Jamie:I'm like, Tom, I'm like, you remember? He's a dad. Was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. I'm like, I know. Like, I agree with you.
Scott:So,
Jamie:yeah. So, so his kids chow down in a quesadilla. Again, I don't think that helped that child moving forward in the locker room. That same parent, something happened earlier, early, early on where of the kids were busting his chops. That parent mother came into the locker room and addressed the kids.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Again, don't think that helped their child.
Scott:Agreed. But so I'm, and everything you're saying totally resonates. I'm just in terms of being a parent Yeah. And a new new parent on the team and trying not to, I guess I don't know what, not to suck is what we've been kind of saying, but like the things that you're mentioning now, do you think that other parents are now looking at those parents who, you know, like eat the taco and whatever and be like, dude, what's your problem?
Jamie:A %. I mean, the kids were going, dad, why was he sitting outside I mean, so of course the parents were like, why would you go down there and feed your child during practice? Like we talk,
Scott:or why would you go in the locker room?
Jamie:Why would you go in the locker room and, and, and, and literally, you know, address, you know, everybody in there and say, Hey, listen, you know, I just think that it doesn't help the child situation.
Scott:I think it makes it worse. No. And so basically what's your, in summary, this is like an over involved parent who just clearly doesn't see like the boundaries that are, or should be pretty known.
Jamie:Yes. And I have to tell you, these parents did not suck. I like both these parents. I just think that they were not helping their child.
Scott:Okay. But so, okay. So that's an interesting thing that
Jamie:you just Did not help. Because so Both very nice people. Very nice people. I like them both to say very So
Scott:you like them.
Jamie:I do, but that was a mistake in my opinion.
Scott:Okay. That's fair. But this is behavior that clearly you wouldn't have, you
Jamie:know, not advise a new parent to go into a locker room and address your child's teammates.
Scott:Right. So I guess, so it's
Jamie:not helping for the kid. Like you shouldn't be in the locker room, period. I don't wanna call Let you know, let alone addressing them and be like, hey, listen, you know, leave my kid alone.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:I don't think that's the right way
Scott:to handle that. So the parents amongst the parent group peer, like they were ultimately fine, but your belief is that So the parents didn't mess it up for themselves. The only thing you're pointing out is that they created unfavorable dynamics for their own kid. Correct. And that Okay.
Jamie:That is correct. Yes. That, and that's a parent, you know, kind of, acting a certain way. And then it, unfortunately the kid is the one that's going to take the brunt
Scott:of those things. You
Jamie:know what I mean? Not the parents, the parents aren't going to, I mean, other parents may disagree with their, with their decision to go do those things. But the kid is the one that was going to, is going to take the brunt of that. Cause I think they made it worse for their child on both of those instances. I don't think it helped their knowing now that the season is done that did not help their child.
Scott:Yeah. I like that. That makes sense.
Jamie:Yeah. I don't think it helped.
Scott:Let the locker room be the locker room. If something comes up, it to the coach.
Jamie:Listen, they're not five, six, seven anymore. So it's different.
Scott:So let me ask you this. Okay.
Jamie:They were 10 and 11.
Scott:Okay. So let's say, what about the parent that goes to the coach and says, listen, Johnny's been coming in the car, upset. There's a few kids on the team that are, they're making them cry.
Jamie:Yeah. I don't even do that by the way.
Scott:No, okay.
Jamie:I'm just saying in general.
Scott:No, you don't do that. You're like, want dumb, but what I'm saying is if I'm telling you the story about, you know, whoever- Yeah,
Jamie:I gotcha.
Scott:Whoever parents are telling the coach about other kids that are giving their kids stick. Any issue with that? No. No, no issue.
Jamie:I don't have a problem with the parent going to the coach and be like, Hey, listen, you know, I spoke to my kid. You know, I told him to deal with it. It's not working. Know, coach, can you help us out?
Scott:Can you help us out?
Jamie:No problem with that at all. Right. No, zero, no, zero because it's again, no, I don't have any problem with that. And listen, hopefully the coach can remedy the situation and make some And maybe he goes and tells the kid, Hey, leave him alone. Or whatever they do, whatever it is.
Jamie:Right?
Scott:Yeah. What about, so we had this with Otto. It's like, Hey, listen, go talk to your coach. And it's not like there was many instances of this, but there was one time where I said, Otto, if you want to see power play time or you want more time or whatever it was, I was like, go ask coach what you can do to earn their trust. Don't think there was one or two instances where I know he said, So and so wasn't being so nice and blah, blah, blah.
Scott:I would tell him to go to the coach. I don't know that he ever did.
Jamie:But you told him to.
Scott:But I told him to. So yeah, I don't think we have any situations where I've talked to a parent directly. I don't think that's ever come up.
Jamie:Listen, hopefully it doesn't get to the point where a parent has to speak to another parent. I think it has to be a pretty rough situation for a parent to go to another parent.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:I don't, again, I don't do that. I just don't. I mean, there's people in our town that do that. And I
Scott:Yeah, no, that's not an uncommon way for parents to respond is to, you know, go into overprotective mode. And,
Jamie:Yeah, I guess that's what it's called.
Scott:I don't know. That's what came to my mind. I could be wrong.
Jamie:Do parents normally come up to you and be like, you know, your son, you know, is being mean to my son. Does that happen in your town?
Scott:No. Oh, I mean, it definitely happens. Right. But it's not that it happens with auto
Jamie:Well, that's what mean. Has it happened to you?
Scott:I have not had anyone's no.
Jamie:No. And this is just my opinion. That's just how I deal with things with my kid. Doesn't mean it's right. Doesn't mean it's wrong.
Jamie:It's just how I do it. Right? Know, I mean, everybody can do things differently. I just want my kid to do for himself.
Scott:You know what I mean? Look, I think that's very valid. I think it's good to hear. You know, sometimes what comes to my mind is just the idea of like advocating for your kid to show them like the way, you know? And that's something that, you know, I've tried to do when he hasn't like done something before.
Scott:You know what I mean?
Jamie:I get it. Yeah. Right. And there's, you need to show them the path, show them the path, right? And then let them do it.
Jamie:It's like, you know, it's like the, you know, what's the saying, you know, teach it, what is it? Teach a person to fish and they'll feed themselves for the rest of their life. Right. I mean,
Scott:give someone a fish.
Jamie:Correct. Right. And they'll write, and then they're going to, you know, one is a, is teaching a life skill you're going be able to use for the rest of your life. Or the other one you're dependent on somebody else to give you the fish.
Scott:You to learn the skills.
Jamie:You need to learn the skill. Right. So same. That's how I look at that type of stuff.
Scott:All right. So what else about being a new parent? To not suck. To not suck. For me, one thing that I've come across, and it hasn't been necessarily with the team that Otto's on, it's been parents of opposing teams.
Scott:But like I being a parent that is overly vocal in the stands during games, whether it's being an obnoxious cheerleader or not having a filter and giving it to your kid, like that is something in my book that's Screaming from the stands? That's really no. Don't want to be in, control yourself in the stands.
Jamie:Yes. Yes. Don't yell at the refs. Don't yell at the kids. I mean, this is all just like basic, you know, yet every game we go to,
Scott:there's parents that are doing that.
Jamie:Listen, there are lunatic hockey parents. There's I'm assuming it's lunatics in every sport, lunatic parents in every sport. Right. But you're right. You don't want to be like overly nuts during games.
Jamie:Right. Right. You don't, you don't want to tell your kid to go off sides if the hockey puck isn't moved to him on the wing. Right. Like these are things that, you know, you don't want to do on.
Jamie:And one parent did that on a brand new team, told this kid to go off sides on purpose if the puck didn't get moved to him. Don't want to do those things. Because number one, you're not teaching a kid, right? Number two, it hurts a team. Like what are you doing?
Scott:Yeah, that's for sure. I think another one that comes up for me is like gossip. And there's some people that get into that pretty quickly and some people that after you get to know them, kind of let you in a little bit on this, that and the next. And I think by the end of the season, most people know most things. I could be wrong.
Jamie:I think you want to play stuff a little more close to the vest.
Scott:But I think,
Jamie:but for, if
Scott:you're like super gossipy, that's like a red flag.
Jamie:Agreed. Agreed. I think there's some people that just kind of know everything that's going on, you know, with the team.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:No, I think you want to, less is more, like we've said in the past. Right. Less is definitely more. I just, I mean, just don't be crazy as the title of our podcast, Crazy Hockey Man.
Scott:But that means something different to everybody.
Jamie:It does.
Scott:And like for the I'm sure I wonder if the person screaming at the stands with their child, if you ask them, do you think you're crazy? How many times that person's gonna agree like, yeah, I am being over the top or just like, no, this is totally normal.
Jamie:We had a I don't if I ever told you the story. We were at a game and talking about crazy hockey dad, like inappropriateness. Like, I don't know if it was our first, second, third, fourth year on this team, but just in general, there was a game got chippy between us and another team. And I guess this dad had a goalie on the team. And in the in the handshake line Mhmm.
Jamie:They went through the handshake line, and, all of a sudden, like, the goalie went down like a ton of bricks, like a ton of bricks. Like from the stands, had no idea what happened.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Right? This parent, like tried to get on the ice, like went to open the door and our manager was actually there. Just happened to be standing at the door and he's like, he said, he can't go on the ice. And he shut the door. So like my, so my question is like a couple, like number one, if you had got on the ice, what were you going to do?
Jamie:Right. Like, what was your plan when you got on the ice? Were you going to like approach the kid who like knocked your kid down? Right. Like, and what, what would you do?
Jamie:Like, I'm just curious where that was gonna Like, tell me how that was gonna finish out.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Like, like you're gonna get on the ice with a bunch of 12 year olds? Like what is the matter with some people? But again, like that's that person's nuts. Like, sorry, you're not. Again, I think I told the story.
Jamie:My kid got laid out. I mean, out in, in like a, like a skill session, like I don't know, a month ago, two months, whatever it was, like laid out. Listen, I'm not saying that I'm, I didn't bat an eyelash though. I mean, and I have to tell you, we went back and watched this on live barn. Yeah.
Jamie:Cause we were all like, oh my God, what happened? How did this kid go down? Like, this this goalie skated up to our player. Literally sought him out. Yeah.
Jamie:Okay. Saw him out. And then he kinda did, one of these, like, one of these, and the kid dropped like a rock, like somebody had shot him Right. From the from the stand.
Scott:Like he flopped, you think? He flopped? Scott. Or he just lost his balance?
Jamie:When you saw it in real time, you had thought that somebody had suplexed him, like Ultimate Warrior style.
Scott:So he flopped.
Jamie:So we went back and looked at it and we're like, oh my God, like the kid like just pushed him away. And this kid went down like a ton of bricks. Scott, like a ton
Scott:of Like he was looking for a call.
Jamie:Like a ton of bricks. So he sought our player out. And then when our player kind of like shimmied him away
Scott:Oh, like that was the plan all along you
Jamie:think? Like
Scott:he was like
Jamie:No, I don't think so. I think that he meant to like approach him. And when our player kind of, you know, like forearm shiver, like kind of like one of those. And the guy, and he went down like a ton of bricks. And that's when the dad tried to get on the ice, like somebody had killed his kid.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:So So can I just tell you? Yeah. Like, when you see the actual LiveBurn video Yeah. Like, if that was my child Mhmm. And I saw him
Scott:go after the swiping or the one falling?
Jamie:No. The one falling. Yeah? If that was my child and I saw him do that, like, I would be so like, how embarrassing you went after a kid and then you, like, flopped and then your dad got so angry that he tried to get on the ice. Like, I'd be so mad at my I was it was such a joke.
Jamie:Like, again, but real time, you had thought that it was like a big to do when you saw it. And then the father again, the father tries to get on the ice. Like, this is not this is, we're not playing tennis here. This is not, this is not a, it's a rough game.
Scott:Dude. So I saw this past season on the handshake line,
Jamie:right.
Scott:One of Otto's teammates got speared in the throat.
Jamie:Scott got Dom got punched in the chest. They didn't fit in the chest, in the face, in the handshake No. Like a
Scott:kid used his stick like a butt to hit another kid in the throat.
Jamie:That's not right.
Scott:And that person went down like a ton of bricks. And I can tell you, no one, no parent ran on the
Jamie:ice. Right. And that's using the stick as a weapon.
Scott:And that's using the stick as a weapon.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. That's, you know, look, I'm not saying
Jamie:So when you use the stick like I don't, that's when you cross the line into not okay. A %.
Scott:But like how many times have you been at a game where like the parents are chirping each other from, know,
Jamie:off Of course, all the Yes,
Scott:but like there's parents that are saying like, Oh, your kid just like slew footed my kid or your kid did this
Jamie:to my And have no patience
Scott:for And then the parents in the stands start fighting about what's happening on the ice with their kids.
Jamie:They do. Yes. Yes. I will say this, the temperature ratchets up and parents, when you get nuts in the stands, the kids feel it and it ratchets up on the ice. Yeah.
Jamie:Don't you agree with that?
Scott:I would a % agree with that.
Jamie:You can feel it and you can feel it. It gravitates from the stands to the kids and the kids ratchet it up. Yeah. I mean, it happens. You see it all the time.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:You know, so, so listen, I'm very quiet during games, you know, you know, like, like, like if I see a trip, I'll go trip, but I don't, I don't go nuts. I'm sure you don't go nuts either. I don't bang in the glass. I don't do any of that stuff. I sit there with my arms folded.
Jamie:I watch, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't engage other parents. Like I just kind of look over and laugh, you know, at, at, at yo yo parents being knuckleheads. There's a lot of them in our game.
Scott:Yeah, these behaviors There's a
Jamie:lot of them in our game.
Scott:No doubt. Just talking about these behaviors, right? Ultimately, if you play this tape out, why one would not want to suck as a parent on a new team or have these types of behaviors that are overreaching, over the top. If you play that tape out, the kids, it has to be pretty egregious for any family to potentially be kicked off a team. So that's probably not the likely scenario.
Jamie:For a family to be kicked off a
Scott:team? Because the parents are crazy? Yeah. Listen, I understand, but I guess what I'm trying to bring the topic full circle in we're suggesting that parents try not to suck as being new parents on a team because ultimately if you do, if you do suck, what ends up happening It
Jamie:hurts your kid.
Scott:Hurts your kid. And that's like the takeaway from all this is that even in your scenario where the parent that was feeding the kid and whatever went to the locker room, you still like them as parents.
Jamie:Oh yeah. To this day, they're lovely people.
Scott:But in the long run, like they could have said, they're not setting their kids up for success amongst his peers. You have parents that act like little dicks amongst other and you're not gonna be welcomed back on a team and it's your kid that's suffer.
Jamie:Listen, think we've all seen, I'm sure you have, I'm sure you have parents ruining it for the kids. We've talked about that before. Happens all the time. Your coaches go, I don't want the kid because the parent's problem.
Scott:Happens all the time. Don't be an idiot so you don't ruin it for your kid.
Jamie:Just be normal. What's normal? Right? Just be, just again, less is definitely more. You know, listen, if you act accordingly and you don't draw attention to yourself, I mean, it's not difficult.
Jamie:This is not a hard thing. No, I know we all get, we all get excited for the kids and stuff like that, but at the end of the day, it it's like 12 year old hockey, 10 year old hockey, eight year old hockey, six year old hockey, you know, the calls are going to be bad. You know, parents are gonna be nuts. I mean, it happens every day. You cannot avoid it in our game.
Jamie:You just can't.
Scott:You know what it makes me think?
Jamie:And again, I'm sure it's not just ice hockey.
Scott:No, doubt it.
Jamie:Yeah. Can't just be ice hockey.
Scott:Although I will say when Otto was playing soccer, of his games, was being pretty vocal from the sidelines. Let me back up for a second.
Jamie:Were you the crazy soccer parent?
Scott:No, no, no. I wasn't being a crazy soccer parent. I was being vocal compared to other parents that were there, but it still wasn't very vocal. I'm new to soccer. Got it.
Scott:It took that ref like a minute before
Jamie:I shut It's big you out? Good.
Scott:Yeah. Good.
Jamie:See, it's different in hockey because I think the glass, well, you, I don't, I've never played the game. You tell me, does the glass tamp down the sound a little bit
Scott:when you're playing?
Jamie:Yeah. Like, I've heard kids say, like, I can't hear my parents in the stands because of the glass. Am I wrong about that?
Scott:No. Listen, I'm no soccer,
Jamie:soccer, you just yell and the sound is I
Scott:think kids, like, any sport, like, when they're in the middle of it and they're, like, really focused on other things, like they just are tuning out. Like sure. Might the glass stop? Some sound? If I'm standing in front of the glass, I'm yelling at my kid.
Jamie:Or you yell at the ref.
Scott:Or the ref.
Jamie:I guess the question is, do you think the refs hear as much in hockey as they do in other sports?
Scott:Oh, that's interesting.
Jamie:Yeah. Like from the stands parents, listen, listen, we all know, we all know that we all know that refs here. Matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it, we had a game where were we? We had to go. We were in Utica, right?
Jamie:We were in Utica and a, and I'm sure those of you that are listening to this, I'm sure you've seen this before. Where, a we're in Utica in like a call it semifinals or something like that. And, and the, the stands were elevated. So
Scott:you're on an overhang. Correct.
Jamie:Correct. So this mother, this lady motherfucked the ref. Oh yeah. She came down to the, to the, the, you know, I guess like the banister level where he couldn't go any farther and she was leaning over and she said like, fuck you, or you're a motherfucker or something along those lines. And he threw her out Yeah.
Jamie:He threw her out of the rink.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Which listen, you know, they were they were they were Canadian. I forgot where they were from. I wanna say like, I don't remember. I was surprised. I didn't expect that from Canadian hockey hockey parents.
Jamie:Why? What it? Is it? I don't know. The the game was invented there, so I would think they would have more cooch.
Jamie:I don't know. Listen. I'm sure it's not all Canadian hockey parents. You know? I just didn't expect it because they come with, like, bells and, like, horns, stuff.
Jamie:Every time we see them in a tournament, they have like, they have like an accessory, like towels that they wave. It's actually kind of cool. I forgot where they were from, but, but yes, she motherfucked the ref and the ref threw her out of the, right. And no question about it. And then there was another one where again, don't remember where we were, but apparent threatened the ref.
Jamie:He said something like, I'll see you outside after the game. And I have to tell you, the refs skated over to the scores box, said something to them. And that gentleman was escorted out of the rink. Cause he'd like threatened the ref. He's like, I'll see you.
Jamie:Because I think he threw him out the rink. He so he threw threw the dad out of the rink and the dad goes, I'll see you in the parking lot after the ref goes, oh, yeah? Yeah. Okay. Skates over to the scores box and all of a sudden that gentleman was not found.
Jamie:Yeah. People are crazy, right?
Scott:Crazy. It's
Jamie:a, it's a 12 year old hockey game.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:I mean, listen, listen, stuff happens. We're all basically okaying our kids to play this sport. Right. There will be things that happen that you're not going to like as a parent. You can't get nuts.
Jamie:You know, hopefully the refs are keeping the kids safe because that's the number one priority. Yeah. Right. That's the important part. The refs need to keep, and sometimes it doesn't happen.
Scott:I'll tell you.
Jamie:Listen, you're not going to get an argument out of me. Sometimes it doesn't happen. The kid, but the kids need to know how to protect themselves on the ice. I I've never seen anything crazy. I've never seen anybody like swing a stick.
Jamie:I have seen a kid. I have seen a kid kick another kid with skates. That's super dangerous.
Scott:Woah. That was and then he kicked up at a kid.
Jamie:They were both down and he kicked like Kicked at him? Yeah. Listen, he hit his shin guard. Wasn't a big deal, but can you imagine?
Scott:You don't kick.
Jamie:No. No. Not with those things on
Scott:your feet. I've a player spears. Yeah, I've seen two spears to the neck.
Jamie:With the butt end of stick?
Scott:No, that was the one I mentioned before. Then the other one was like more of a slash.
Jamie:That's dangerous.
Scott:Bad, yeah.
Jamie:That's dangerous. Listen, I wouldn't be happy about it if it happened to my kid. Don't get me wrong. But I wouldn't try to find the other parent. I wouldn't try to find the kid who did it.
Jamie:I wouldn't do that.
Scott:You know, I
Jamie:What would you do?
Scott:Honestly Yeah. I I could imagine myself going to that other parent.
Jamie:Because you have a little bit of a temper. Not anymore. When you were a kid, you did. Would
Scott:you The apple doesn't fall so far from the you tell me No. That's not the right expression.
Jamie:Kid would run the kid?
Scott:No. No. Oh, no. No. No.
Scott:That's it's the wrong expression. I was referring more to myself and you were saying I had a temper when I was a kid. No, but
Jamie:you Well, listen, that was when you were a kid. Yeah. Well,
Scott:and when I said the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, that was like the wrong expression.
Jamie:Oh, I was going say, right. But I wouldn't think that you would go bananas.
Scott:I don't know. I'd like to think, but if a kid slashed my son in the neck, I would have a lot of feelings. Would have to figure out how to deal
Jamie:with them How to deal with distractively.
Scott:I'm not gonna lie. Mean, listen. I don't know that I could sit there in silence and not like say, dude, fuck
Jamie:is Well, listen, I wouldn't be happy. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure I would not be happy with something like that. Yeah. I don't know.
Jamie:It hasn't happened to my child. So, I mean, listen, he's gotten knocked around. He's gotten laid out a bunch
Scott:of times. But the truth is like, first
Jamie:thing is scary yet. Yeah.
Scott:First thing you make sure your kid's okay.
Jamie:A %. Right. A %.
Scott:And then once he's okay, then no, I'm joking. No, anyway.
Jamie:No, no, no, I know.
Scott:Ultimately, think, look, parents, anyone that's going to a new team, and this is year two for me, new team.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah, two in a row. Two in a row. Yeah, yeah. I'm a veteran now.
Scott:Yeah, listen, I think just trying to stay as level headed as possible, less is probably more.
Jamie:Less is always more.
Scott:I think you should always invoke the twenty four hour rule with anything that really gets you heated. Even if it's with another parent or the coach or your kid, or just the twenty four hour rule is a pretty good one to use.
Jamie:I think that's true. I think that's actually very good advice.
Scott:Yeah. Twenty four hours.
Jamie:The twenty four hour rule is huge. Yes. You know? Yeah. No, just don't be nuts as a parent, right?
Jamie:Don't suck. Just try not to suck as a new parent. Try, you know, fit in as best you can cause it ultimately it's benefits to your child. Right. Especially if you like your situation, just don't go, don't be nuts.
Jamie:Just don't be that crazy parent. Yeah. You know, again, less is always more, right? Don't you think?
Scott:It is certainly in very emotional situations. I think less is more.
Jamie:And even in like, you know, it's funny. Our goalies parents came to me, like before, before tryouts. Yeah. Because they, they, they had, they never, I think a lot of the kids on our team are now ex and a lot of parents on our team are experiencing things that you and I have already experienced because they're, they're seeing that the team was good this year. The coaches bringing over better kids to, to, to, you know, level up the team.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:And some parents that were on the team last year, were not used to that.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Right. So they came to me and they were like, you know, they were like, you know, should I say something to coach? I not say something? And I kept telling them less is more. They're like, oh, I wrote this whole email to them.
Jamie:And I'm like, listen, I'm like, you know, think really carefully before you send it. You know? So he wound up like deleting the whole thing. And again, like less is more type stuff. And it ultimately wound up working out the way he wanted it to work out.
Jamie:I told him it was probably going to work out. Parents get crazy about like, oh, there's somebody else coming over. They're to take playing time for my kid. Listen, it's part of the game.
Scott:No doubt. And like, that's, if your kid is getting less playing time, if he's on the fringe or whatever the deal is, it's ultimately, it's usually not the coach's fault. And I'm not saying that it's the kid's fault either. The kids are where they are because that's where they are and they're going to get to where they get because that's where they're going to go. But I don't know how much you can really
Jamie:freak out. Listen, it's uncomfortable. Yeah. It's definitely uncomfortable. But at the end of the day, and I was telling these parents, there's always a landing spot for your kid, especially with all the youth hockey teams that are around, especially in our area.
Jamie:There's always a landing spot. You know what I mean? Your kid is not going to be without a place to play, you know? But I think that they were, they were feeling the pressure. They didn't say this, but in my opinion of another kid coming over and maybe taking
Scott:Taking it their spot.
Jamie:Playing time. Not their spot, but playing time away. You know what I mean?
Scott:Then if that's what you feel is happening, I the kid's still young, but that's when it's like, you need to put in the work. You want to keep your spot, you want to make sure you have the same amount of playing time. You have to keep on improving so that you're the one being hunted and you're not the one.
Jamie:One hundred percent.
Scott:You got to protect what you And that's not easy.
Jamie:No, it's not.
Scott:Especially when there's someone that's maybe hungrier or has more of an axe to grind or Yeah,
Jamie:no, it's true. But they were, they were, they were, I remember telling them like, you know, you don't need to like, you know, you don't need to write such a big thing, you know, you, or just leave it be and let it play out. You know what I mean? Like, let it kind of, you know, just let it happen. And it's probably going to wind up working out in a way where you'll be fine.
Jamie:And that's kind of how it wound up happening. You know, yeah.
Scott:And also, last thing is, easy on the text messaging. Don't go wild text messaging.
Jamie:That's again, part of part of the twenty four hours. And part of what I was saying about less is more like you, you, yeah, like don't like inundate your coach with the text messages because again, that parent was writing a big, big thing to the coach and wound up deleting it all. Like don't hit read it like 10 times before you hit send, Or maybe just don't hit send. Because listen, again, we'd said it before, coaches will not take a player because the parent is a headache. We've told stories about it.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:So just don't get nuts.
Scott:Yeah. All right. So listen, good advice. I think during this time of year, as we kind of get away from the clubs now that spring's over, It's going to be a little bit before a lot of that stuff kicks up again, but it's always good to talk about in advance so you know before and don't regret things later.
Jamie:Because you definitely can regret things later, that's for sure.
Scott:Yeah. So anyway, so we got NHL, IIHF.
Jamie:Oh yeah. Team USA.
Scott:Let's go.
Jamie:Yeah. Team USA gold medal. Amazing.
Scott:OT. Was awesome. You saw
Jamie:the shot?
Scott:I saw the shot. Switzerland looked good. They look really good.
Jamie:No, I didn't watch the games leading up to it. So I don't know, but Did I hear Canada lost to like Denmark?
Scott:Canada did lose. Denmark? It might've been. How's that possible? I don't know, but it's also like how did
Jamie:Two one or something like that? Or some team that like they're not supposed to lose to. How's that happen?
Scott:But USA went to overtime with Switzerland. So, I mean, I'm no international, all I'm saying is that like, does the USA really have any business going that deep into a
Jamie:game with? Probably not. Probably not.
Scott:But I,
Jamie:I, I, I know they had a couple NHLers there. For sure. Like I think Timo Meyer was there. A lot of a hundred Jersey doubles.
Scott:Segan Thall.
Jamie:Yeah. I know that
Scott:they were like, yeah, yeah. Keisha was not playing.
Jamie:Keisha was not dressed. Saw him the finals. Right. I don't know. I don't know.
Jamie:Is he hurt?
Scott:He might've gotten hurt during one of
Jamie:the games before I've been watching the playoffs, not the IIHF.
Scott:Correct.
Jamie:I'm assuming most people don't even know the IIHF was on.
Scott:Well, it it's done.
Jamie:Yeah. And gold medal for The US, which is awesome.
Scott:I was reading a, I'll see if I can remember it, in a post, Zeev Bouiem, he has not played one full NHL season yet. He won the world juniors twice. He won a national championship. He won
Jamie:Yes, he did.
Scott:He just won with the USA team.
Jamie:Yes, he did.
Scott:There was about like five accolades that this guy had.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott:Most people, if they just had one Would
Jamie:be great.
Scott:Would be like, dude, I can't believe I won gold.
Jamie:This guy's just no, no. He's yeah. Speaking of Zeev Bouiem, I am so excited for college hockey. Start cranking up again.
Scott:I
Jamie:can't wait to start talking about that in
Scott:this podcast.
Jamie:But yeah, man, the Tage Thompson shot was awesome.
Scott:Yeah. So go USA. That was a huge win. Yeah.
Jamie:Was great.
Scott:That was good weekend. They were the youngest team in the tournament.
Jamie:Think they like
Scott:24 compared to Sweden. I mean, not Sweden. Switzerland, I think was the oldest at like 27.
Jamie:That doesn't surprise me. Segangold was not young. Meyer's not young. He's sure is not young. So are, were most of those guys from that, from Switzerland, were most of those guys NHLers?
Scott:I don't think most.
Jamie:I don't think so either.
Scott:I'm assuming
Jamie:most of play overseas somewhere. Could play,
Scott:they could be playing in Switzerland.
Jamie:Right. Right. I think you probably, I didn't recognize a bunch of the roster.
Scott:Yeah. The ones
Jamie:like Nino Niederweiders was the
Scott:Niederweiders NHL.
Jamie:Well, is NHL. Yes. Yes. Yeah, no, that was awesome. Cutter Gauthier, Will Smith, the future for- Cutter Gauthier looks good.
Jamie:He looked awesome in college. I mean,
Scott:thought hadn't watched him, like, the docks. I didn't pay much attention to the
Jamie:I thought he should have won the Hobie Baker instead of Macklin Celebrini. I'm pretty sure that he lost the Hobie Baker, which is a best college player in the country to Macklin.
Scott:Could be.
Jamie:Yeah. Well, think so.
Scott:Both of them are ridiculous talents.
Jamie:Great players.
Scott:Gauthier was, yeah, he looked really good. Anyway, was exciting for the and then for The USA and then just going back to the playoffs real quick before we wrap up, I mean, like, have to say, like, this doesn't feel I understand that Dallas won that game primarily due
Jamie:Game one you're talking about.
Scott:Yeah, the first game because their penalty, their power play. But both series seems so lopsided.
Jamie:The Florida series was like It's like men against boys. The Florida series. So as we're actually talking about this, it's
Scott:it's Yeah, that's exactly. There's no words.
Jamie:I don't even know. I don't even know how to, I don't even know what to say.
Scott:Same thing with the Edmonton series. Like it's Edmonton looks far superior. I mean looks far superior.
Jamie:So the last two games that Edmonton played were two different hockey teams, like a college team against an NHL team. And I'm shocked because the goaltending on Dallas is tremendous. Like I'm very impressed with what Edmonton is doing.
Scott:Yeah, no doubt.
Jamie:And then Florida is just manhandling. They're manhandling. Like, I don't even know who's in net tonight. I mean, it's zero zero. I'm looking at right now.
Jamie:It's zero zero with nine minutes left in the second period. The, the hurricanes and the Panthers, but it's three nothing and, like, it's a convincing three nothing.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Like, I I heard some stats, Scott, that the Carolina Hurricanes, they've been this will be, like, the fourth time they've been swept. Is that right?
Scott:Oh, I could be. What in like the conference finals or like in playoff series at all?
Jamie:No, I think like the conference finals. Really? I think. Don't hold me to that, but
Scott:I won't because that's rough being swept at that stage four times over.
Jamie:I don't think they've done very well in the conference finals. I need to, I need to Google that when we get off the podcast. But yeah, no, Florida is Dominic's Dominic's Florida and Edmonton rematch in the finals is getting close to fruition here.
Scott:How about this? Zach Hyman, eighty two game season, he's got like 54 body checks recorded in
Jamie:the playoffs. In a regular season.
Scott:So far in the playoffs now,
Jamie:he's got like a hundred He's all over the place.
Scott:He's got like a 50.
Jamie:Talk about ratcheting it up. Like, talk about like He's got a 50 hits in the playoffs?
Scott:It's over a hundred. It might not be 150.
Jamie:But it's a lot more than he had during an 82 game It's
Scott:more than double, close to triple. What he had in the regular season. Like that is bananas.
Jamie:Well, it just shows you how everything, oh, one nothing hurricane.
Scott:Yeah, they're still gonna lose.
Jamie:I think so too. It shows you how the level ratchets up in the People
Scott:gotta do things that, you know, that are not expected of them to make an impact.
Jamie:Listen, if you gotta do something, impact your shift.
Scott:No
Jamie:doubt. And if it's throwing hits, So
Scott:be it.
Jamie:No worries. You know, that works.
Scott:That's like, that's massive.
Jamie:That's a truckload of hits in only like a, in how many, in how many games could that be? It's what that's like call call it a seven fourteen ish. Yeah. Something like
Scott:Like 15 games.
Jamie:Yeah. Right. It's fourteen, fifteen, 16 games. Something like that?
Scott:15 games.
Jamie:That's nuts. The guy's all over the place.
Scott:It's yeah. It's good for
Jamie:him, man. Listen. Got impact. I tell Dom all the time, I'm sure you tell Otto, you have to impact every shift, no matter how you, if you're not getting the puck, you got to figure something else out. Yeah.
Jamie:Right. They're learning. I'm sure that
Scott:will be fine. Anyway.
Jamie:All right bud.
Scott:Here's to another episode. Well done.
Jamie:Yes. Yes. The Memorial Day episode is now in the books. I hope everybody enjoyed their day. Thank you to all these service men and women, you know, who have worn the uniform.
Jamie:You know, we really appreciate every, every one of you that, that has served this country and even the people that aren't here. Yeah, good episode, bud. That's a wrap. I'll see you in the next one. All right, dude.
Jamie:All right,
Scott:Talk to
Jamie:you later, bud.