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NET Society is unraveling the latest in digital art, crypto, AI, and tech. Join us for fresh insights and bold perspectives as we tap into wild, thought-provoking conversations. By: Derek Edwards (glitch marfa / collab+currency), Chris Furlong (starholder, LAO + Flamingo DAO), and Aaaron Wright & Priyanka Desai (Tribute Labs)
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Aaron
Wow, those were some super creepy robot fingers. Did you guys see that this week?
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Chris
You know, I slept fine last night, Aaron. Did you?
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Aaron
I did not know. That's what I worry about. They're coming to life, Chris. They're moving fast. And next thing you know, they're going to be around like a grandma's throat, and it's going to be pretty sad.
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Chris
I saw that promo and I was like, oh, poor Aaron, man, this is just nightmare fuel for him.
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Aaron
I mean, it's going to happen. One of these things is going to malfunction, and those fingers are moving way too quickly. So that.
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Pri
Is hilarious. That should be like a meme gif, honestly.
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Aaron
And people meme it ready?
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Pri
Oh, really? It's honestly putting aside the music I like. Watch the whole video and it is pretty incredible. Like, I don't think I've seen that level of like dexterity on a robotic hand ever. Like that was like new for me and like, even I saw someone tweet it, which I thought was actually a smart observation is like we always think about humanoid robots as like, you know, you kind of have a hand and you feel like it could replicate everything that we're able to do with a handsome arm.
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Pri
And we often forget to the extent of utility we have with our limbs. But with these robotic hands, you can do things that, like, are completely outside the realm of anything a human hand has been used for. So like even just seeing it lift like tons of weight with one finger, which no human hand can do, is kind of interesting.
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Pri
And so like it opens up these possibilities of like, what can a human hand actually do if there's like very little biological restrictions to it? And I was like, oh, I didn't even think about it that way because I just think about, oh, it'll replicate like what we can do, but it could far exceed what what we can actually do with our hands.
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Pri
So I don't know, I mean, in our fingers and like I'm just like, whoa, okay. This is crazy. Like it looks that video is crazy.
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Aaron
It's a great point. But as a student of Terminator two, we know that there's not that much that separates us from primates or, you know, other animals except for that dexterity. So I don't know. Strange times ahead. I'm going to be the robot tumor.
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Pri
Here you are. The you are. You're the humanoid robot Duma.
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Aaron
Yeah, a kind of an arena.
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Chris
Are you ready for the most, like a trivial slash? Timely use of of this. What's that? Imagine getting this for your child to act as a batting coach and to just pitch to your kid.
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Aaron
I mean, that.
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Chris
Would be that they can make a more elite travel team, and they can pay even more money to play youth sports.
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Aaron
I mean, stuff like that. It would be great for like, you could get like a, you know, perfect curve balls every time. It'd be pretty sick with like some variance on it. I mean, you could be like, that's a really great point. Athletics probably will definitely improve. Or even like if you're playing basketball, you can have one of these things like just pass to you.
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Aaron
So you could do like a pass shoot or something like that.
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Pri
Do you think people will want to watch these things play?
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Aaron
I don't know if they want to watch them, but I definitely think you're right, Chris. They'd be great for sports training. Like team sports training.
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Chris
Yeah. I mean, that just seems to be some other you know, another thing in guys these days is, you know, every time team USA gets dropped out of the World Cup, we bemoan the state of our youth development program and pay to pay athletics. And that's kind of been in the air anyway. It's just, you know, how expensive it's gotten to participate in these sports.
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Chris
And so, you know, if we're in a everyone needs to escape every permanent underclass any which way they can. And automation and AI is a savior of everything. One day in the near future, some private equity guy out in Greenwich going to send this robot out to the yard with this kid and make his kid hit a thousand algorithmic curveballs until he can get his average of up to a certain point.
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Aaron
Absolutely. Yeah. Or even like tennis, right. Like all these pickleball. Is that going to be the retirement community? Some like pickleball.
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Pri
There is something kind of funny about the concept of robots basically helping assist in fundamentally human objectives and goals, like using robots to to lean into our humanity more as like a training ground for leaning into humanity. But I don't know. Yeah.
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Aaron
Makes sense. I mean, according to AI, what, 2050? We'll all have a or UBI and just be happy. Chris after after a bunch of political turmoil, did you guys check that out too? By the way, no.
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Chris
Is this what's his face?
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Pri
Yes.
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Aaron
I don't know who. The same one. Who did. What was it?
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Pri
Is it Scott? It's got Alex, Scott, Alexander and like, a bunch of people.
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Aaron
Yeah, it's.
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Pri
Kind of the same.
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Aaron
Yeah, it's kind of like. Like like a semi organic, like ran reports that are just getting published. It's kind of interesting, like scenario planning. What do you think.
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Pri
Images that they do like the I think it looks it looks interesting really. Duma like there's I mean there is like a positive outcome, but even like the positive outcome is like what's interesting about it is just like we're going to be in this like post-work utopia. And I mean, that's assuming that we get like the right rules and regulations in place.
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Pri
There's also like Duma scenarios that they do. I'm trying to think what else stood out to me in that. It didn't feel positive though, like.
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Aaron
The last one didn't. Towards the end it got like really dark, but I thought it was interesting. It did like AI on the ballot in 2028. That's something we kind of have talked about here. Yeah, we're just going to be going to be like a path that gets chosen like a happy or less happy path. And there. Yeah, they were going to like pick a path to kind of like buy time to slow down whatever is needed to have high confidence and safety starting in 2030.
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Aaron
I wonder if that's when kind of the market reacts to that. And then they're claiming that even though there'll be some sort of like international agreements that will slow things down, like people are just going to try to break them and like work around that. And then by 2032, they'll be controlled explosive growth. And then by 2033 there'll be a citizens dividend of some sort that gets established.
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Aaron
This is the UBI piece. And then by 2034, mutually assured compute destruction. So I have no clue what that means fully.
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Chris
Why are we just like reliving James Bond but on like, fucking software? Oh, the rogue scientists are in their evil labs building banned. Compute. Like, why do we just keep falling into these sci fi tropes, man?
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Aaron
Because that's all we know, Chris. That's all we know. And we don't have Star holder yet.
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Chris
Oh, I don't know. This is why I don't read these things anymore. I've given up predicting.
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Pri
Isn't Palmer lucky? Like basically say, like I forgot what sci fi book or whatever it is, but like, he basically is like building his whole, like, product roadmap is like building out this, like sci fi book that he's obsessed with.
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Chris
I mean, look, a it's fertile ground, right. But be it's very limiting in, you know, you're, you're basically spending your life and dedication to the imagination of an author from 50 plus years ago. You know, I mean, Elon was was basically trying to fulfill H.G. Wells, you know, visions with this occupied Mars stuff. And, you know, maybe he's moved on since then.
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Chris
And that would be great, because we don't live in our past, you know, and that if we looked at these things on their own terms and we asked ourselves, what should a robot look like that doesn't have an impossible thumb? What is the best possible use? Now, of course that is happening. It happens to be happening over in the Ukraine in a web of fiber optic cable, spiders and roads no one's able to walk down.
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Chris
And now increasingly in oil refineries. And so I guess we are, you know, in some ways, although, you know, you could just argue that Skynet now, I don't really know where I'm going with this. I'm a little cantankerous this morning. I'm feeling full of grim and vigor as part of the The Literate Word Cell Strikes Back campaign. I am up on the ramparts.
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Chris
I'm reading intensely dense books and celebrating my ability to hold my focus for long periods of time as the world erodes around us. Don't. Do you feel filled? Do you feel like compelled?
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Aaron
Yes, Chris, I think I think that's a good strategy. Derek, did you see the creepy robot fingers? What was your what was your view on them?
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Derek
Yeah, I think joining late here, guys, but walking into a maelstrom of content here I was I was going to hit Chris off with sir this is a Wendy's. But I decided set it against it.
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Chris
This is not a Wendy's. This is a safe space in which your fellow co-hosts free. It's true. Proudly wave the flag of literacy. And that's true. I was trying to set her up, but no. Now we're back at fucking Robot Fingers. I apologize for you. I was trying to give you a platform here.
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Pri
Thank you so much. But I'm still, I have.
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Aaron
To say, fucking robot fingers. That's the title of the episode right there.
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Pri
That actually is really funny because especially with the memes.
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Derek
Yeah. It's pretty. I mean, the fingers are the fingers are amazing. I mean, I've been I've been trying to digest as much as I can from like roboticists who are commenting about what's working with the design, what's not working with the design, I think like to the zoomed out TLDR is like they made it, you know, feel and look and operate like a human hand does instead of just, you know, slamming a bunch of gears into kind of like a, you know, a hand shaped like a hand shaped machine, which is like, I think, cool.
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Derek
I mean, like, we're, we're we're getting closer to Terminator with, with every step. I also say, like, the thing that really stood out to me is this idea of the joints being sensors. I don't know if you guys picked up on this, but, you know, there's this really great essay from the team that was like, you know, most robot hands are just right.
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Derek
Only it's like you command it to do something. The hand does the thing, but then no data is actually like sent back and the neo hand like this. This new one is read right in the sense that there are these essentially, there are these sensors that are attached and, and kind of like delivering data with every kind of like with, just with, with, like interpreting all the physics data required around tendon movement inside of the actual hand itself.
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Derek
And so, you know, the amount of data that you can get from your these fingers that are picking things up or pressing a grape, knowing exactly the amount of force to pick up a coffee mug or to draw on a piece of paper or move a steering wheel a certain direction, it's it. I mean, it is a pretty big sea change in how these robotic hands and robots broadly may scale.
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Derek
It's hard to know what's real and not real based on this demo, but I think this probably means we have a good line of sight on being able to to scale information and the physics required around that information for all human tasks. If this thing is done correctly and we start moving in this direction, because ultimately, like that's the roadblock here, it's like the we you know, we haven't in our minds like the ability to to know like, okay, Derek could go pick up that coffee mug from the table.
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Derek
But the, the thing that is really difficult to encapsulate through video data or through just like my own intelligence around picking it up, is like how much force to put into something like we're not really consciously activated around that idea. But if you have systems in place, I think this is maybe a better restatement of the idea systems in place to track and manage and monitor the physics around.
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Derek
Derek picking up that coffee, well, then you can start to replicate that at scale, and you can start to replicate ideas just like that across every human task. So I would say that's probably the piece that stood out most to me outside of just like the how Dex, the dexterity of these fingers themselves.
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Aaron
Yeah, I heard from somebody who built this during their masters or PhD that another gap outside of the sensors is just haptics, like the understanding, like the touch piece of it. That's still one of the big unsolved problems here, Derek, but I thought that was some interesting feedback. Seems like you're reading. I'm like, oh, right, we reading something?
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Derek
I may have missed something I'm reading a lot. I don't think I've ever read more, honestly. I think I've just been just plowing through as much as I can.
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Pri
Is it deep reading or just your scanning?
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Chris
Are you grazing? Are you skimming it?
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Derek
Really? I think I'm it's hard. I would say on net, I'm doing more data ingestion than I ever have in my entire life. For sure. I can say that pretty confidently. There are definitely pieces of content that like, I'll know pretty quickly, like, this is a grace. And so I'm probably doing more grazing just because I'm, I would say I'm spending more time in front of information.
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Derek
It's just like at your fingertips now. But but for things that are interesting, like I'm reading the long forms and I'm going through stuff and I'm reading research. And because it's really kind of important to understand how these things kind of work together.
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Chris
Pretty. Sounds like Derek's going to make the team.
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Derek
Did I did I screw up? What? Sorry.
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Pri
What?
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Derek
No.
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Pri
No no. So I don't I don't know if you know this, but I wrote a piece on Substack I launched by Substack like, a month ago. I don't know if you've seen it, Derek, but my first article, one viral. Yeah, don't worry about it.
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Derek
Basically on Substack.
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Aaron
Yeah, yeah.
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Pri
On my first, this one, this one did not get as much.
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Aaron
She's doing a great job. You're doing a great job.
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Derek
I knew you were. I knew you were internet famous. I just didn't know how how it came to be.
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Pri
So worry about it. Don't worry about it. But yeah, I need as a as a peak millennial, I need the constant affirmation. So I appreciate you guys just guessing me right now without having any clear understanding of what I'm actually doing. But.
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Derek
Well, dude, I think you're I think you're great for a million reasons, but I feel I can tell you that all the time, too. I think.
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Pri
You're.
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Derek
I'm in your in your DM's all the time pre saying how cool you are.
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Pri
Well thank you. It's never enough. Anyway, so I wrote this thing. It's funny because I published it on Tuesday and then The Atlantic ran an article which I had so many similar references to, to what I talked about. But and it's kind of I don't know if you've seen The Atlantic one. That definitely went pretty viral, and I've seen a lot of people like screenshot and retweet it, but the core idea around it is that and this, this, this guy, James Merritt, who wrote about this a year ago on Substack.
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Pri
So I pulled a lot from his piece to and just kind of extended it with like AI and tech, but really like mass literacy was like the titles like 500 years, 500 Year Glitch, which basically is like, hey, we had the 500 year mass literacy global event. You had, like the Reformation, you had the Scientific Revolution, you know, and so Renaissance, like, all this amazing life kind of came out an hour kind of going back to more of like a pre literate or Marriott called it like post it society because people are they are reading but it's like very it's what I described as like shallow reading.
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Pri
So like they're reading the feed there, watching a lot of video. They're absorbing books but more through an audio format. And so we're going to more like an oral culture basically. And so I kind of produce a lot of data to support that. Similarly, like the Atlantic piece also does the same. I mean, you're still seeing people read, but it's more in these like in my view, it's more like niche context of like you have book talk, which is exploding, but it's like, you know, romantic, romantic fantasy novels and like these kind of more.
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Pri
It almost feels more like slop, Netflix TV versions of reading. And there was like an interesting stat of of people like students, I think at Brown or something supposedly like reading The Clockwork Orange. They had to like, take the English that was written in the Clockwork Orange and translate it into an English that they understand because they, like, could not actually read it.
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Chris
In fairness, like there is a lot of cockney rhyming slang in Burgess. In Clockwork Orange, they're.
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Pri
Fair, but like, people aren't giving like their like mental space to actually like, digest what that could mean. And they immediately just like, dump it into the LM. So I kind of talk about more on that, like more than the Atlantic piece. I kind of talk about how AI is just like flooding the zone with content, and it's kind of reading more like shallow reading and, you know, bite sized information.
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Pri
And then in my piece, I talk a little bit about what are like the second, third order effects of that until like what?
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Derek
What are some of them?
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Pri
I mean, one is just like we're going to have like an elite scribe class is kind of what I think it'll be, which it's I call it like a k shape of reading curve, where like it's going to be a very small top end of readers and they're going to be dictating down what everyone else should think. We kind of have seen that with like the demise of institutions, with the internet a little bit, but these like influencers and the people who do the critical thinking are going to be this new elite class.
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Pri
And honestly, I don't even think it'd be that hard. If you're someone who can, like, read a ton and critically think, I bet you're going to be smarter than like 90% of people. Like, I don't think that it will be difficult for people to achieve that. And like you already, and even when I was doing research for my piece, like you're already seeing wealthy parents have their kids go to reading camps or like reading retreats, like, you know, the humanities, in many ways, people are paying a tremendous amount of money to teach their kids to the humanities.
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Pri
I think it'll make for better prompts, too. So like they'll have influence over the LMS themselves. So this like new scribe class is going to be like, in my view, pretty influential in the future because most people are just going to be like NPCs who take in whatever this elite community is going to say, the other side or effect, kind of what I was talking about with like literacy as, like a, as a more of a good.
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Pri
So you kind of even see it like Dua Lipa, she had a wedding and like she had bookshelves at her wedding because apparently Lipa met her husband, like, because they were reading the same book. And that's like so niche that it's worth commenting on because, like, no one really does that. And I also kind of note that like, books will resemble vinyl, like vinyl is more collectible, it's more niche community.
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Pri
So treating reading as a good versus, you know, something that we just do often. So that was kind of the other thing. And then also when it comes to tech, just like how do we create the flood and then how do you actually like limit the flood of information. So that was like the other thing, like trying to use AI to filter out a lot of like the flood that we see on the feed.
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Pri
There's more in there. But that was kind of my my thinking with some of the second, third order effects.
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Chris
Are you suggesting that Substack is going to become the new citadel of enlightened elite status gatekeepers of knowledge, where one thing like where you and I tend to differ, right, is we'll like circle around sort of the same subject and draw different conclusions. Not that our conclusions are ever in opposition to each other. It's just we look at things to very different lenses.
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Chris
And one of these lenses, I feel like you like to apply in these pieces, and it works very well considering, like who your audience is, who the two online are. Is this sorting into classes and and statuses? Right. Like, it's very. Tom Wolf bonfire the vanities you know type worldview.
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Pri
Yeah I tend to go there.
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Chris
Yeah. It's interesting because like my pushback to that would be, you know, every every like great bar has like the hyper literate barfly. And this is one of these things if you're like come from a Northeast Irish Catholic culture as myself, you know, what the quietest or loudest or like least person you would expect who just, you know, is holding down the corner nursing something you know suddenly has this amazing treasure trove of knowledge.
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Chris
Or like there's a pub up the street from me, Flynn's gardening, where, like, they'll play 7:00, they turn, they have jeopardy on with the sound on if you're ever in there during them. Like the entire bar like is incredibly good at jeopardy and you know and so like it's just interesting to like, you know, that there's this scarcity mindset in around a practice that is it's free, it's massive.
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Chris
Right. And it's really like it's there for anyone if you want it.
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Pri
I mean, I agree with that. I think there are a lot of people who will probably be like silently are literate and, you know, exercise their like intellectual veracity in their own private world. And then some people use it to, to influence and do whatever. So, I mean, I think that's probably always been the case, but I think that it'll be both the thing, the thing that positioning I have, which I think is more like aligned with like even Aldous Huxley said, or like his whole, you know, basis around Brave New World.
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Pri
Was that like, people have it, they just don't want to digest it anymore. Like, there's a lack of desire to want to do the work, to do the critical thinking, to be that person. So it's not like it's true scarcity. It's more a desire for humans to want to do it.
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Chris
One thing about reading that is interesting, I think, is it does tend to sort into like fairly extreme distributions. You know, I'm, for instance, I'm actually like the third best reader in my immediate family, and I get lapped by both my mother and my daughter in terms of how fast and like how much they can read. It's absolutely insane and a little humbling.
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Chris
I'm a pretty good reader, right? Like I'm no slouch, but there are people who are just avid about it, you know, and then there's like a whole group of people who will never touch a book or, you know, the last book they read was something that they were forced to read. And, you know, like, I feel like that middle reading pact certainly exists, you know, and I do maybe 20 books a year right now, you know, and like, so I'm probably like an average reader these days.
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Chris
But your average reader, right, is like still such a small percentage in a shrinking percentage of the population these days.
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Derek
These are really interesting thoughts. I have like a couple of they're coming to my mind. I think there's maybe I want to touch on the reading thing because I think what you're saying is really interesting. Chris, on the writing side, yeah, I can't help but think like I mean, obviously I think the point I haven't read your article pre, but I think one of.
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Chris
The points truth finally comes out.
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Derek
Damn it, I, I sorry, I just missed it. My feed is kind of a shit show these days, but I'm gonna read it. I already have it on my list here. Yeah, I think you probably touched on this in your essay, but, like, it's, I think I mean, the whatever the literacy rates, the reading rates, the I mean, post-Covid, I think like, I think there's been kind of like this educational come to Jesus around around math skills and reading skills here in the US at least.
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Derek
And I think these trends are probably global and just in general, like kids are reading less and they're performing worse on tests and comprehension skills are suffering. But I think maybe the death knell here, to your point, is like obviously these these tools can reproduce text faster and better and more efficiently than we've been able to do. Humans have been able to do in the past.
00;24;12;24 - 00;24;45;18
Derek
And like I think the analogy that comes up for me is it's it in like in terms of predicting maybe where things go is like photography and like the act of taking a photo and capturing reality didn't actually eliminate people painting, but it did free like the like, you know, the core job of painting for a big chunk of human history, which was like to accurately produce or reproduce reality in some way, whether it was like a portrait or a landscape or obviously there was creative liberties that were taken by artists to kind of expand that as time went on.
00;24;45;18 - 00;25;12;00
Derek
But it's not surprising to me that art started to kind of move in a different direction around paint on canvas, around the same time that photography, which did a better job of quickly and more efficiently depicting rally, was also kind of, you know, inflecting on its its own curve. And so I'm looking at for for readers, I think there's something really interesting about like the middle of the pack, the top end of the pack, the lower of the pack.
00;25;12;01 - 00;25;33;02
Derek
I think Chris is doing a good job of like trying to segment this out, but but the the core through line is like it's just never been easier for somebody to read something that does the job of what humans previously had to do, which was like depict reality, whether it was in a novel or it was in a, you know, a news report or an essay or a column or whatever that was.
00;25;33;02 - 00;25;55;18
Derek
And I and I can't help but wonder if that job is being served in a much cheaper and more efficient way. What does that actually free up in terms of the way we entertain ourselves by reading creative writing or like by or by by writers who want to write in the future? I think it's probably bullish. I think it definitely looks less like a commodity and more like a luxury.
00;25;55;18 - 00;26;15;23
Derek
I think maybe some of the themes you touch on pre are like, maybe things are things look shorter, maybe they're more interactive, maybe there's like opinion around having more video or immersive immersive inside of the the writing. So it starts to look more like a hybrid and it's less just text on white page, but there's more creative direction behind it.
00;26;15;24 - 00;26;34;07
Derek
It all falls into the bucket of entertainment. And maybe that's, you know, luxury entertainment because like there's a craftsmanship associated with actually the human pen. But I do think, yeah, I do think these are interesting questions. I don't have the answer. I don't think any of us do. But I do think like these are probably threads worth unraveling a bit.
00;26;34;07 - 00;26;35;25
Derek
So anyway, those are that's what's coming up.
00;26;35;25 - 00;26;44;16
Chris
For me. I was going to ask Aaron, the optimistic professor, for his take on this. He's been a little quiet and learned man. You're a man of letters.
00;26;44;16 - 00;27;05;26
Aaron
I was I was kind of absorbing, I think I do, yeah. And I just think the second and third order effects are probably the most interesting. I think they're already kind of happening. Right. Like it's kind of like why, you know, like why is there, you know, like so much interest in, like, conspiratorial thinking now, right? Like whether or not you think there are conspiracies or not.
00;27;05;26 - 00;27;30;02
Aaron
I think it's in part just because people are not able to like in mass, like logically think through problems. And so they're like looking for kind of like law or stories to kind of connect those pieces together. And I think that that's super interesting. I do worry a lot about post literate society and what that means for like laws and rules and other forms of order just because they're so text based.
00;27;30;02 - 00;27;47;25
Aaron
So if if, you know, people can't even understand those rules, you really do get into like this, like Idiocracy type type scenario, which just would break down a lot of different things. So I'm very interested in like kind of the post literacy and like what it means for the state.
00;27;47;27 - 00;28;04;08
Pri
It's just going to be agents talking to each other though, like I find, I mean, this is not the same, but even with wedding planning, like I was just I like would barely open contracts. I would just throw it in and be like, hey, give me the TLDR, what should I push back on craft and email, pushing back that I'd read that email and be like, yeah, these points seem valid.
00;28;04;08 - 00;28;28;05
Derek
Cool five planning I planning. Yeah. Aaron, I think this is a really interesting thought and I think you're right to be concerned. There's another part. Do you guys remember that? I can't even remember it. But like, remember that old cartoon which was like it? I forget the name of the song, but it was like it would teach middle school students how, like, bills were enrolled and like, bills became laws.
00;28;28;08 - 00;28;31;03
Derek
Do you know what I'm talking about? Right. I can picture.
00;28;31;05 - 00;28;33;06
Pri
The schoolhouse Rock.
00;28;33;07 - 00;29;03;20
Derek
That I think that was. I think it was it. I think that was it. I think it was called schoolhouse Rock. And and I think what what's coming up for me when you're describing this, Aaron, is like, I think we will never get away from a world where, like our law, I don't think at least, or our laws aren't written in, in, in, in language, in, in numbers and letters and in our it's like the, it's the atomic unit for how we can kind of like create order for, for all of us around.
00;29;03;20 - 00;29;30;21
Derek
But I do maybe I maybe do depart a bit where I think like the opportunity of this technology is not to replace how laws create order using kind of like human words, but there's a really new opportunity for how we learn or visualize how laws work through the ability to kind of like quickly generate content that can be consumable for very specific people of the population or segments or ages or demographics or whatever it may be.
00;29;30;21 - 00;29;49;26
Derek
And I think there's real opportunity for people to become even more informed than they were before. Like, we still all remember schoolhouse Rock because it was like the first time we all kind of understood, like, oh, this is kind of the how America works is kind of fun. And like, you're in third grade and you're singing the song and you're kind of learning the process, and you kind of remember the jingle for a while and you're singing it on the schoolyard.
00;29;49;26 - 00;30;28;15
Derek
And I think there's something really special about that, and I haven't quite put my finger on it yet, but I think this technology, generative media, generative AI, generative text at a video, the ability to kind of like create new learnings from the atomic unit of the human word actually could mean that people are more sophisticated and more learned and more interested in what's happening around them then previously before which, because there was such this, this high bar to understanding how to, you know, pull up a 75 page PDF or print out from the library to understand how like this state legislation works.
00;30;28;15 - 00;30;31;00
Derek
So yeah, I don't know.
00;30;31;02 - 00;30;31;14
Chris
Yes.
00;30;31;15 - 00;30;53;24
Aaron
And it can go both ways. But you need like a populist that's able to comprehend even those summaries. And that's what I worry about. Like when you just watch people just doom scroll and that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're choosing their choosing that. And I think a lot of the there's lots of reasons why there's polarization, friction in society.
00;30;53;24 - 00;31;19;11
Aaron
But I think part of it is people are just losing the capacity to just reason. And instead it becomes much more like storytelling. You know, history gets lost in like these contexts. So you're going to have to like, constantly retell, like your history in order to kind of make, maintain it and make sure that it's relevant, you know, because the attention span is just getting smaller and smaller.
00;31;19;14 - 00;31;36;08
Aaron
And I just think that that just has all these weird knock on effects. And I think we're beginning to see that. Right. Like, even if you look in like, like New York City's history is arguably getting rewritten when they're not including, you know, massive immigrant enclaves that are there. Right. And so.
00;31;36;09 - 00;31;53;13
Chris
If you're not going to touch that date, I have bigger things to say. I'm not going there. The Italian Americans can be disrespected and shut out about it for once. This is about the. Function of the world. Well, yeah, we are on it.
00;31;53;15 - 00;31;58;12
Aaron
Yeah. And it does, it does, it does flatten things though, Chris. I think that's a good way to describe it.
00;31;58;14 - 00;32;31;07
Chris
Yeah. I think the flattening of the world I wrote an article a couple of years ago in which I was looking at language and especially like the rising dominance of ESL. I think we're now at a point where 22% of the world can speak some form of of English, and it's really it had risen particularly sharply in the last eight, like eight years or so, like we went from like 15% to 22.
00;32;31;07 - 00;32;59;11
Chris
And a lot of that is economic. A lot of that is that English is the language of the internet. And like the utility function of having like working English, you know, in, in your toolkit, I think is driving a lot of this. But it's not just English itself that's gaining speed. What's happening is we're seeing like a convergence and a death of language diversity across the entire globe.
00;32;59;13 - 00;33;25;28
Chris
I think don't quote me on this, but about 75% of the world speaks 5 or 6 languages now, and that we're the number of actively spoken languages is, you know, we've shed about 1000 or 2000 languages from like, you know, everyday use over the last couple of centuries. And so that's like this, this larger trend is this flattening and is compressed.
00;33;26;01 - 00;34;11;06
Chris
So that basically network coordination, commerce, finance. Right. Like the globalization of the world can function is coming at the at the expense of language diversity. And it's further like once you start getting into actual languages, right. Like if we're just talking about English, what we're talking about right now here on this, Todd, is the flattening of the English language and the convergence of it into, you know, this one, you know, sort of the equivalent of like, you know, all newscasters speak in American Standard English accent or, you know, whatever, whatever that whatever it's called.
00;34;11;07 - 00;34;36;28
Chris
Right. We're seeing that now actually in the presentation layer in the, you know, the density of it, the forms that it's being applied in and that, like, you know, is a real loss of diversity as well, because like, one of the things I happen to love is when I'm doing, you know, something and it has its own language, it has its own jargon.
00;34;36;29 - 00;34;55;07
Chris
Like when I was a kid and I just finished school, I worked for Jace and I. I answered phones for mutual funds. I got 100 calls a day. I talked to traders all day long. That was its own esoteric, like trade language, right? Like it had its own cadences. It had its own terms, it had its own tone.
00;34;55;08 - 00;35;17;02
Chris
And like, yeah, did it suck to bang out 100 phone calls a day? It sure did. But like, did speaking in that vernacular and kicking it right in a way that like, it just it had its own flavor and had its own style. And that exists in contract language. It exists in coding. Right? Like we're just seeing a flattening of that whole thing.
00;35;17;04 - 00;35;33;21
Chris
And when you get into like a we get into the patterns right like that. Right? Like you're losing color, you're losing new ways of looking at things. You're losing acceptable boundaries of what can be discussed, because each of those approaches have their own affordances.
00;35;33;25 - 00;35;50;29
Aaron
Yeah, that's a great point. So a lot of downstream stuff to it. I hope it reverses. I hope you're I share your optimism. I think a lot of this could also just be like a little bit of a Covid hangover, just because a generation of kids, like, didn't learn for a couple of years to the same degree that they did historically.
00;35;50;29 - 00;35;52;12
Aaron
So maybe that's a piece of it, too.
00;35;52;13 - 00;36;15;05
Derek
Yeah, I'm I don't know where I want to remain optimistic. I want to believe I also am like, obviously, yeah, I'm deeply concerned about some of this other stuff too. I will say like, man, we don't have this probably too political for this podcast, but like the Covid wrecking the education system there for a for a few years and just like totally setting back an entire generation of kids is like a total travesty to me.
00;36;15;05 - 00;36;32;17
Derek
I feel like that still kind of ways on me. I just, I feel really bad that that happened and I don't like it. Totally stunted on so many dimensions. A lot of these younger people on how they view the world, how they can navigate, how they mobilize. And yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know what that means, but it's kind of a.
00;36;32;24 - 00;37;10;11
Pri
Yeah, I'm glad you bring that up, because I feel like people often talk about like, literacy and like where the world's going and like, it's really easy to blame new technology. And I think Covid accelerated technology. But I don't think there's like enough think pieces really like holding that whole pandemic responsible as like one of maybe I don't think it's like the only reason, but like one of maybe five major reasons as to like what the dangers of social media that we often like that guy from the times wrote about and the acceleration around that without like, people really understanding the repercussions of that as well as just like general literacy, the quality of education,
00;37;10;13 - 00;37;18;28
Pri
like people not having access to that, all of that. Like there was no there's been like not many think pieces. You actually reflecting on the impact of.
00;37;19;00 - 00;37;21;05
Derek
Yeah. Covid and.
00;37;21;08 - 00;37;25;28
Chris
If only you had two people on the pod whose kids were in school during Covid.
00;37;26;04 - 00;37;47;21
Derek
Yeah. I'm curious to hear from you guys. I will say though, Chris and Aaron, I think like my fear, the I think the thing that I reflect on is like the machine of how America works is not set up for kids to have, like unfettered access to do whatever they want for like a few years. And I think so many parents and you, you both might not be in this bucket because you both are very sharp.
00;37;47;22 - 00;38;09;02
Derek
You both have incredible, you know, you guys have resources. You guys, you guys are educators at the core. But I think for a lot of parents in America, and I'm curious if this resonates with you guys, don't have those resources or don't have those skills or don't know what to do with their kid eight hours a day, and also have to work two jobs or three jobs just to, you know, make a living and can't afford a nanny.
00;38;09;02 - 00;38;29;28
Derek
And so, you know, have to be home and are unemployed but don't know how to, you know, be with their kids. And so they stick them from a laptop. And, and I just feel like that the ages for some of these, these children were so young and they're so they were given such a different experience because our the machine of America is not set up for something like that.
00;38;29;28 - 00;38;50;03
Derek
That. Yeah, I don't want to say like irreparable damage was done for like an entire generation. But like I do feel like to point it is under discussed the effects on a vast amount of young people but but but also taking account that not everyone's the same. Like I think that your house during Covid, Chris or Aaron may have looked different from from someone else's.
00;38;50;09 - 00;39;12;01
Aaron
It was a mess. There's not much more else to say. It was a mess, and I. I don't think the tech was there yet to do like remote learning. And I think it also like gave people an insight into like how hopefully it was a lot, but oftentimes it was how little learning was actually happening in schools. And I don't I don't know if that's reversed, to be honest.
00;39;12;03 - 00;39;34;28
Chris
It was a mess and it was very painful and how hard it was dependent on the age of the child. My my son was in second grade, which meant he was like barely capable of self-managing, you know, like you would set him up, you would get him at a, at the table, get rid of all the distractions he'd be on.
00;39;34;28 - 00;39;49;20
Chris
But he's in second grade. And so if something goes wrong with the feed or he just wants to, like, get up and, you know, get a glass of water and then like, you know, I don't know, the cat starts playing with them, but you know what I mean? Like, and so.
00;39;49;23 - 00;39;53;12
Derek
The infinite amount of distractions and like and it's on you who's trying to work.
00;39;53;13 - 00;40;13;15
Aaron
Well, you know, it's it's a bummer. It's a bummer that AI tooling wasn't there yet because I do wonder if like the era of like the personal tutor, which I do think at some point I will fill that role for people like a customized, you know, like almost like the taskmaster to kind of guide you through different things you want to learn.
00;40;13;15 - 00;40;36;16
Aaron
If that was fully baked and ripe, I feel like the whole experience would be different. It probably would have accelerated the adoption of AI in a positive ways, because I do think, like AI is like a teacher and learner, with all the caveats of bias and like concern that people have there. It still is pretty good. Like it's a great way to learn something like I've learned a ton just by programing, right?
00;40;36;16 - 00;40;42;26
Aaron
Or even if you're doing research pre or writing something, you can always pick up some really interesting things from that.
00;40;42;27 - 00;41;18;14
Chris
Yeah. And that kind of hearkens to like another point I wanted to make, which was like Covid and education. It was temporary. And was there a hangover for sure. Do I feel like my kids were ultimately scarred by it or held back by it? No. You know, but the the larger thing I actually worry about is just how society operates, what freedoms we give to our children, what collective standards are, you know, to allow kids to, like, just go out and about and discover their world or interact and, you know, like hop on a bike, right?
00;41;18;15 - 00;41;46;28
Chris
Like when I was a kid, right? Like the Gen X latchkey kid generation. We literally just sent all day on bikes. And I grew up on a peninsula. And so there was a natural boundary, you know, the kind of like how far you could Rome. And it was not uncommon, you know, that you would lose track of time and you would hear your name being screamed like three blocks over, you know, and like all the other parents would like, come out their doors and start doing the same to like, try to pull you back.
00;41;46;28 - 00;42;27;20
Chris
And that doesn't exist in our society anymore. Maybe it does, you know, somewhere else in the world. But like, it's not just that we have all these screens and that we have the infinite distractions. It's also that we've taken away, you know, the natural range of children. And everything now has to be organized and scheduled because like the pressures of society, the demands on parents, the concerns about safety, the the higher stakes and the higher values we put on development, like all of that has second order effects as well, which is that children are less independent.
00;42;27;21 - 00;43;00;16
Chris
The children are less like asked to, you know, naturally develop skills in the wild. And so that like, these sort of things do take on more importance because there's less other opportunities. You know, the idea that like someone is street smart but not book smart, that's almost like a notion from like different times. Like, I don't know if I mean, I'm sure like, you still see kids who are street smart, but like, more often than not, they're also booksmart like that.
00;43;00;17 - 00;43;06;16
Chris
That old archetype kind of doesn't exist anymore because that's not enough to get by.
00;43;06;17 - 00;43;14;16
Aaron
Well, I mean, maybe when we're every adults working two days a week, we'll have more time to kind of solve these problems to.
00;43;14;18 - 00;43;16;27
Pri
Living comes back optimistic.
00;43;16;28 - 00;43;23;16
Chris
You are no. Your robot will let. Your robot will be like your child. Private security guard as they walk through the world.
00;43;23;17 - 00;43;23;27
Aaron
Know.
00;43;24;01 - 00;43;26;23
Chris
You will be changing your desk. I don't know, I.
00;43;26;23 - 00;43;38;10
Aaron
Feel it with like these long running tasks. Like you could literally like picture you wake up in the morning, you kind of like set up your work for the day and then you're done. Like for our not for our work week, but for our work day.
00;43;38;11 - 00;44;01;09
Chris
I often fall into a pattern where half my week I'm a very engaged and actively working because I'm designing, architecting, drafting, and that's very hands on. And then once all the tickets are punched up and I just got a babysit, I actually more often than not, I start reading like I started reading more because of like, this Adam name.
00;44;01;10 - 00;44;12;04
Chris
Right. And so it's interesting. Like you can find ways to gain more unstructured time while still being very productive. It's just not maybe in the ways you think it would be.
00;44;12;05 - 00;44;32;21
Aaron
Yeah. I mean, maybe that's what Derek was saying, right? Like there's there's just it's a complicated systems, there's reactions kind of reactions. But I think I think we'll be okay. I'm not I'm not super worried about any of this. Wasn't worried about the AI stuff. Not worried about literacy. I think the only thing that does give me pause are those creepy the fingers.
00;44;32;21 - 00;44;34;09
Aaron
Fingers. Yeah, yeah.
00;44;34;11 - 00;44;35;04
Pri
I mean, I think.
00;44;35;07 - 00;44;38;10
Chris
AI grandmothers of the world who are about to be throttled.
00;44;38;11 - 00;44;45;17
Derek
My God, dude, ticker is the ticker is ETH Chris says from the top ropes.
00;44;45;19 - 00;44;49;29
Chris
Oh, you know, Derek, you got to be here for like, the first four minutes of the podcast.
00;44;50;00 - 00;44;53;08
Derek
Oh, dude, where are you? Where are you going? To town. On the memes.
00;44;53;13 - 00;44;58;27
Chris
Aaron was very worried about grandma's and Jesus strangulation.
00;44;58;29 - 00;45;03;10
Derek
I'll have to go. I'll have to go relisten. Dude. That's hilarious.
00;45;03;11 - 00;45;07;22
Aaron
What do we think of the new models, by the way? We should pause on them for a second. We got.
00;45;07;23 - 00;45;08;24
Pri
I haven't used grok.
00;45;08;26 - 00;45;31;13
Aaron
Yeah. Let me just lay it out for if people missed it, I have. Yeah. So grok came out with or SpaceX came out with grok 4.5. We got OpenAI's latest models, which are called soul. I think there's Luna two, which just gives everybody who's been around the space like a little bit of a pause. But let's put that aside.
00;45;31;14 - 00;45;52;00
Aaron
Meta came actually out with an open source model, the names escaping me this week as well. So lots of movement. Kind of on the model front, it seems like rocks pretty good. It's pretty fast and feels like it's a good kind of good bang for your buck if you're if you're doing stuff. Feels pretty steerable, at least to me.
00;45;52;01 - 00;46;16;21
Aaron
Like 5.6 seems pretty smart. Like it's definitely like fable. Like it feels a little bit different. Very thoughtful, can do some really long running tasks. So I think that's interesting. Only feedback I've heard is, you know, around like the if you're doing like a security review or something along those lines, it can be a little bit quiet about like why it's finding security reviews outside of just like noting it.
00;46;16;22 - 00;46;32;13
Aaron
So it just feels like we got another level up, like across the board. And I think it is kind of interesting that maybe meta is back in the arena. I've been kind of waiting. I think I think rock's going to probably surpass anthropic and then maybe just grok what and or OpenAI.
00;46;32;14 - 00;46;37;09
Pri
Come out saying that like, anthropic was the best model on the market like yesterday. Ellen.
00;46;37;10 - 00;46;55;24
Aaron
Yeah, yeah. But I just think they're just in the best position to kind of scale their models. It feels like to me, I thought the other interesting thing was purportedly one OpenAI model, like post trained, another OpenAI model, which is just more evidence that like recursion is kind of happening to, which is pretty cool.
00;46;55;26 - 00;47;16;22
Pri
One thing about the AI for 2040 is, if I'm not mistaken, they were like a little bit not bearish, but like the time horizon for recursive self-improvement was actually longer, I think, than they initially anticipated. And like AI actually being helpful in diffusing into society. Like right now, I don't think any enterprise or anyone really has figured out how to use AI.
00;47;16;22 - 00;47;24;06
Pri
And so even with like the recursive stuff, like it just feels like we're further away from that than even they thought. But like, increasingly, I think so too.
00;47;24;07 - 00;47;45;27
Aaron
Yeah, just they're like in a great position. They control the compute. Right. And if, if, unless there's like some other way to train these things and like can't put that outside of the realm of possibility, it just feels like they're in a pretty good position to continue to, to expand. Right. And they've if you look at their growth from when they started to where they are now, it's probably the the fastest.
00;47;45;28 - 00;48;01;00
Aaron
Right. And I do think that cursor team that they acquired is pretty good at doing this too. And they've got a great data set at least for software development, which is which is pretty awesome. So no longer talking about the open source models right this week. Now it's back to the frontier ones.
00;48;01;02 - 00;48;03;06
Pri
Are briefings going back to closed source?
00;48;03;07 - 00;48;44;07
Chris
It's weird to have to try to pick up a whole new set of behaviors and reads. These aren't the same rivers. We've been going down there, new ones, and they have different eddies and currents and ways of you got to navigate them. Well, one thing I've seen just in my like brief runtime with, with both grok for five and soul is they are massively productive and they're over productive to a point where like learning the governors and how to get them to not overshoot and, you know, diarrhea like vomit, word vomit everywhere.
00;48;44;09 - 00;49;06;01
Chris
Like that's a new problem because usually it's more how do you coax what you need out? And now, at least just in my initial interactions, it's how do you keep the the how do you get these guys into like producing manageable levels like I had Thole went wild on me last night and produced the spec that was 120,000 words.
00;49;06;04 - 00;49;36;10
Chris
Like, what on earth? You know what I mean? And so, yeah, it's interesting, I but I do like and feel that there are more they are a little more steerable or they're a little more friendly than Fable Fables, a strange beast to me. And I'm actually I'm still still not satisfied with it. And now that I think we've got, you know, similar levels of soda models on the market, I'm, I'm not going to touch it.
00;49;36;11 - 00;49;47;05
Chris
You know, I'm going to put my time into understanding these two newer models because they feel like they're more workable. They feel like they have the same capability range and they're a lot cheaper.
00;49;47;05 - 00;50;04;25
Aaron
It's exciting. I mean, you know, I had a friend who's like a she's like a solo doing something by herself. And she's like, this is just amazing. And I'm like, yeah, you kind of like have like a world class CTO, like at your fingertips. I mean, it may be still a little bit too pricey for everybody, but probably won't be in a year.
00;50;05;02 - 00;50;25;17
Aaron
And that's really going to be democratizing in so many different ways. It just feels like you're really able to start building stuff, so you got to earn your a couple merit badges to understand how to the basics of some programing. But once you're be on that, like you really, you really have a powerful engine at your at your fingertips and there's going to be a bunch of them.
00;50;25;17 - 00;50;47;17
Aaron
And I think they're just going to get cheaper and cheaper. I mean, I did see purportedly they're reporting that like anthropic now public not public profitable. So that's pretty exciting to. Yeah. I mean, like you, I think it's good to have, you know, these these companies and systems, you know, hit profitability and sustainability. So that's pretty exciting as well.
00;50;47;20 - 00;50;54;29
Chris
Well, I can't wait for everyone to master these systems so that the entire world can give signed field characters, make overs and glow ups.
00;50;55;00 - 00;50;56;08
Aaron
It is the summer.
00;50;56;10 - 00;50;56;17
Pri
Those.
00;50;56;17 - 00;50;56;23
Aaron
Are.
00;50;56;23 - 00;51;00;24
Pri
Supposed to some of those even really funny.
00;51;00;27 - 00;51;02;27
Aaron
Better than Brad Summer, I'm not going to lie.
00;51;03;01 - 00;51;13;22
Chris
So I need them to get over to the cast of friends. I need them to start committing sacrilege against Joey Caesar and the Rachel.
00;51;13;22 - 00;51;39;05
Aaron
It's going to happen, I mean, but it's great. I mean, and to me, it really reminds me of, like, this conversation around remix culture that we had in like 2005 to 9. And there was a lot of people geeked on that, a lot of people writing about that, and it felt like it. Maybe it was just a couple decades too early, but whenever I see that, that's where my mind goes right off the bat, which is great.
00;51;39;06 - 00;51;58;14
Aaron
I mean, like if putting aside like the copyright and IP protection issues because they're really naughty. But yeah, it feels like now you have the tools to kind of start choosing an adventure, like remixing stuff. And hopefully that leads to like better media. It probably will be good for brands in the long run, although they'll probably fight it at least initially.
00;51;58;16 - 00;52;01;08
Aaron
Dailies do, so it's pretty cool to see.
00;52;01;10 - 00;52;11;00
Chris
They've already lost that war. They go to lean in, where you know, the real world that we're in is the post IP world. I mean, we're in a lot of different worlds, but the post IP world is here.
00;52;11;00 - 00;52;23;27
Aaron
I don't disagree, but even like Seinfeld, right. Like, I mean, if you're, you know, 18 right now, you probably don't even have a reference for Feld. So, you know, you got to keep on telling your stories. And if it gets remixed into culture, that's a good thing.
00;52;23;28 - 00;52;35;03
Chris
Which is the oral. It is the oral history. Right? The the Oral society is your hero had such an epic quest that they talk about it, a mountain range in a valley over.
00;52;35;03 - 00;52;40;01
Aaron
And that's what's happening to George right now. He was our he was our Gen X hero, Chris. He's just.
00;52;40;04 - 00;52;42;08
Chris
One of the Upper West.
00;52;42;11 - 00;52;46;25
Aaron
Barely and in need of a is peptide glow up. So there we go.
00;52;46;26 - 00;53;06;02
Pri
That was really, really clever. But I am excited about the remix culture. I feel like it's like there's so many avenues for like true creativity using AI and I, I mean like there it's like foreign feud between but that that one has been kind of resonating with me. I feel like it's actually really good. Like the quality is very high and it's like amusing.
00;53;06;02 - 00;53;28;27
Pri
And it's it's in a way it's like bringing back monoculture because like, there's been not as much monoculture like outside of maybe like megastars like Taylor Swift and a few at the top, like we used to all celebrate certain things together because like, Seinfeld was such like a monocultural TV show at its time. It's, you know, that reference point of a time when we had more of a monoculture is like, kind of interesting.
00;53;28;28 - 00;53;32;29
Pri
Maybe, maybe that kind of thing will draw us towards that more.
00;53;33;04 - 00;53;55;09
Chris
Yeah, maybe. Maybe. And maybe it's a little telling that, you know, Swifty there had her wedding and it was not the monoculture event. I think that maybe it was anticipated and that the internet was having far more fun giving Elaine new cuts and putting putting sleeves on George, getting it all.
00;53;55;12 - 00;53;59;15
Pri
Oh, I have so many thoughts on that. Like wedding. It's yes.
00;53;59;18 - 00;54;03;02
Chris
We're deep into the show. It's just you and me for you if you want to.
00;54;03;04 - 00;54;03;29
Pri
You actually do have.
00;54;03;29 - 00;54;05;09
Chris
To haunt the stage.
00;54;05;11 - 00;54;31;02
Pri
Yeah, no I won't I won't go because I, I'll have like a Taylor Swift crash out which I don't want to necessarily do on this pod, but, Yeah, I've, it's disturbing. But anyway, welcome to net Society today you have Chris, Aaron, me and Derek to talk all things AI culture and more. Just as a quick reminder, these thoughts and opinions are our own and not of our employer.
00;54;31;03 - 00;54;33;09
Pri
And none of this is financial advice.