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A show about Weird Stuff, hosted by AP Strange. AP interviews cool weirdos about their work, and invites friends on to discuss second sequels in franchises in a series called "Third Time's the Charm". Other fun surprises await...
Pardon me while I have a strange interlude. There is nothing else. Life is an obscure oboe, plumbing a ride on the omnibus of art. In the misty corridors of time, and in those corridors, I see figures. Strange figures.
AP Strange:Welcome back, my friends, to the AP Strange Show. Tonight's show is brought to you by Big Top Clown Repellents. If you're being bothered by clowns and you worry about running into them every time you leave the house, you can just use Big Top Clown Repellent and spray it on yourself, and it will keep all the clowns away. And it's guaranteed 100% not to have been made by clowns just to lull you into a false sense of security when you leave the house. I don't know why it has that disclaimer right there on the package.
AP Strange:Seems suspicious, but they gave me money, imaginary money, for my imaginary sponsor, which is Big Top Clown Repellents. So go throw some money at them, because tonight, we have a wonderful show. We have, we're gonna be investigating some weird crimes, and, I could think of no better person to do this than my good friend, a, stalwart journalist, clown hunter, the sublime scoundrel of the paranormal. He's the news editor for Coast TO Coast AM and, and, and a hunter of weird stories all over the world. You know him.
AP Strange:You love him. Tim Donal, welcome to the show.
Tim Binnall:Hey, man. Thank you very much, AP, for having me on the show. I like it. It's got it's still got the new podcast smell, so I like it.
AP Strange:Yeah. You gotta love it. You know?
Tim Binnall:Yeah.
AP Strange:It took this long to get you on. So you know?
Tim Binnall:I know. I know. Yeah. I appreciate that, though. I'm like, oh, I wonder if he's wonder if he's gonna lead on me to come on.
Tim Binnall:So it was good. Hey. I know.
AP Strange:I talk to Benoit all the time. You know? I know. Yeah. So, so, yeah, speaking of which, we we talk, fairly regularly, I would say, and, we we've been talking lately about weird crimes.
AP Strange:And and there's, like, a lot of, like, one off weird stories that you find for Coast that aren't necessarily paranormal, but we're, they're they're just, like, so damned odd. And I feel like you have a particular enthusiasm for these ones because you're kind of a true crime guy too. Right? Like, you you you've, referred to yourself as a true crime buff on your own show.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:And, to, yeah, to what you're saying earlier, we talk, like, every day. Let's be honest. We we talk on the computer every day. We don't talk on the phone. We're not
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:We're not that old anymore. It's like everybody else giving up talking on the phone too. So yeah. So and I always joke with the people I I talk to people I talk to tons of people, like, not tons, you know, like half dozen people, like, every day. And it's like, I never asked them to come on.
Tim Binnall:I'm not gonna bother you to come on the fucking thing. So but what we what brought us together tonight, I think, I don't know. I mean, you asked me to be on the show, was the I don't know how much people wanna talk about it. Certainly, we should start out and recommend it. Kings of Tupelo, which we all watched on Netflix this weekend.
Tim Binnall:I was, like, drunkenly urging you frantically. I'm, like, you need to watch this thing fucking now. This is, like, the greatest true crime sort of weirdo documentary I've ever seen. It was so it was like Tiger King, but with Mississippi conspiracy theorists, Elvis impersonators, which is, like, right in your alley.
AP Strange:Oh, yeah.
Tim Binnall:And and just all these crazy characters and shit. And it's like, if you're into the world of conspiracies, like, I think anyone listening to this show is, you'll fucking love it. You will absolutely love this this show.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, we could talk about it a little. Maybe not give any spoilers. It's hard not to, though, because, like, everything in it is is a great wonderful surprise for you to find episodes.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:So there's only 3 episodes. It's not a big you know, it's not one of these series that takes 8 episodes to go and, you know, half of it is like filler or feels like filler because they're trying to stretch it out. Like, it's it's 3 tight hour long episodes, and I believe they're an hour. They flew right by.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. They're about
AP Strange:You know? Yeah. So, yeah, I could see why you were feverishly recommending it to me because it almost seems like it was custom made for you and I specifically to enjoy. But
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. And people like our stuff, I think. Because, like, that we we harp on the absurd, and you're you're like the Elvis guy. So, yeah, it was it was yeah.
Tim Binnall:We I I don't wanna spoil it for anybody, but I give it the highest recommendation I possibly can. And, yeah, it's really it's good. It's a nice we don't have to get into details of it. It is an interesting look at how people, like, get fucking whacked up in these conspiracy theories and shit. It was like a fascinating sort of, like, like, look at at one dude.
Tim Binnall:But, yeah, it's it's really interesting. And what we were talking about I don't know how these 2 dovetailed into each other, but, yeah, the the story that I covered last week, you're asking me about these stories I write for. I do the Tupelo story is a lot like this in a way. It's like, I fucking love stories about people doing weird shit. Like, people who do, like, stuff you couldn't even possibly imagine.
Tim Binnall:And, like, before we came on tonight, I I would said to you, I was gonna I'll look through and see if I found, like I just went through, like, last 2 years of stories that I've covered, and they're like, there are some really fun weird ones. And the one we were talking about for folks who haven't heard this one is, up in Alaska, these 2 brothers, this happened last week. These 2 brothers got into a fight about anime. I don't even know what the fight was about. Like, it didn't nothing there's no details really about but it was a fight about anime.
Tim Binnall:It was, like, in the police report. And, apparently, then they they turned into a scuffle, and and then when they go went their to their separate corners, essentially, Like, one brother grabbed the other brother's pet alligator. What the fuck? And threw it out the window into the snow. And the other brother, like, some kind of wacky sitcom, was like, oh, yeah.
Tim Binnall:Well, fuck you. And grabbed Apparently, the other brother had a a pet crocodile. So, you know, he grabbed his brother's crocodile and threw it out the window too. And the cops came, and they had to search for the things, and they recovered the alligator, but they figured the rep. The crocodile is dead because they can't find it anywhere in the snow and shit.
Tim Binnall:And I was saying to you at the time when I had written it, it was like, these stories are so great because they're like, these things, that's only happened once ever in human history, like that moment like that's never those circumstances have never come together and you like these things happen there's a show on HBO kind of like this Florida man which kind of covers these types of stories from Florida but they're they're these like once in a lifetime moments in a bottle where it's just like a confluence of weird shit all comes together into one moment and you're like what the fuck happened there, man? Like, you talk about a glitch in the matrix. Like, that's that's like a glitch in the matrix.
AP Strange:Yeah. What what what series of events led to this being the outcome?
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Well, I mean, that also touches on something that I know you're enthusiastic about, which is, like, niche communities and cultures.
Tim Binnall:Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Because, I mean, it has the anime thing. And then with with the Kings of Tupelo, you got, like, the Elvis impersonator aspect to it. You know?
Tim Binnall:Yes.
AP Strange:So so these niche niche communities and people with strange interests is that that always seems to be, like, a factor in the storytelling.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Well Exactly.
AP Strange:I mean Yeah. You you went you you went deep into the, flat earth community, so that's
Tim Binnall:Yes. I was on the cusp of getting it deep into the Cooper community. I was really wanting to go to that conference, last month in, Washington, but I didn't have a chance to go. But I I see similar, but not necessarily as unhinged sort of mindsets in the different, like, communities. It's interesting to me.
Tim Binnall:I'd I like going to their I'd like to have gone to their convention to check it out. But yeah. Right. At least little subgroups.
AP Strange:Yeah. Getting sucked into the Cooper vortex this this season of your show.
Tim Binnall:A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Definitely over the last few months.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. And I mean well, that's one of those stories that always comes back around, and it's kinda one of the more well known ones. Like, I I often joke with with you year after year. It's like, oop.
AP Strange:It's Amelia Earhart season again. Because,
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Exactly.
AP Strange:Yes. It's always like this this one time of year that suddenly somebody has solved Amelia Earhart again. You know? So
Tim Binnall:It's really crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we had that with the DB Cooper parachute thing that happened a few weeks ago, but it's it's just, yeah, it's you see those, like, every year. Like, Jack the Ripper, definitely Amelia Earhart.
Tim Binnall:This year was crazy with the rocks and shit, so that lease was like, oh, well, you know, maybe maybe they got it. That was a pretty good that was a pretty good, switcheroo. Like, they got it that sometimes when you see the story, it's like, alright. Whatever, dude. You found, like, a bone or what you know, like, the it's always an inconclusive thing.
Tim Binnall:You found, like, a piece of glass, like, we're we're good as that. But this was like, oh, shit. I think they that looks like a plane.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yep.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's one of those one of those things that always comes back. The other one that's not really, like, crime or, you know, tragedy related is the Voynich manuscript. I feel like that comes up every couple years. Somebody claims to have to have deciphered it and figured out what it's all about until the
Tim Binnall:next time. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:I've almost gotten numb to that at this point. Like, that one and Jack the Ripper, I'm kinda like, I'm tapped out on these, like, on these stories, because you just heard it so many times. At least with the Billy Airdart, it's a little still fantastic kind of.
AP Strange:Yeah. I would probably put, like, the Shroud of Turin up there too. Like, that one always comes back around again. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Those 3 are, like, so so threadbare. It's like, come on, man. Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Alright. So what did you dig up from the last 2 years? What what kind of stories you got for us?
Tim Binnall:Well, this one's like one of my personal favorites because it's so you talk about, like, a confluence of, like, this is never gonna happen again. Is this happened out in Belgium. This group of young people, I assume, you know, were coming home in the early morning hours. So it was like, let me see. I'll just open this up here so I can look at it.
Tim Binnall:Just got a quick thing on it. So they're coming home 5 o'clock in the morning. Okay. There we go. And, in Brussels, and they fucking decide to start a game of monopoly on the sidewalk in front of, like, a residential building.
Tim Binnall:So they're playing fucking monopoly at 5 o'clock in the morning, and the people in the building start getting pissed. And first one guy comes out with a stick, and he's, like, waving it and yelling at them and shit and being, like, wait. What are you doing? And then his son comes down, and his son has a samurai sword, and a fight breaks out among the people, the monopoly players, and the guy. And the guy ends up being stabbed by his own fucking sword.
Tim Binnall:So he ended up in, like, the ICU over it and shit. And, and and probably will go to I said at the end of the article, probably go to jail. I don't know whatever I don't know whatever happened to him. None of these people even named in the story,
AP Strange:but it's
Tim Binnall:a real There you go. Thing that happened, according
AP Strange:to the Belgian newspapers. Well, the real question is, did he go straight to jail, or did he
Tim Binnall:collect the $200? Oh, shit. Oh, shit. There you go.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is sometimes you don't really get the follow-up with these. Right? Like
Tim Binnall:Oh, almost never. Yeah. Almost never. It's, like, very, it's disappointing in a way. I thought about that, but I didn't have the time tonight.
Tim Binnall:And, like, that one, I don't know if you could really there's nobody, like, named and shit. I'd have to find someone to Yeah.
AP Strange:You'd really have to dig, like, through public records probably and figure out. And if it's another country, that's even harder. That's yeah. So
Tim Binnall:another one that's kinda near and dear to our art. So I mentioned this to you, before we did the show because, this is kind of in, again, in the clown realm. And that's, this is one, like, you could kinda follow-up on probably because we know the guy's name, but I never looked into it. This was in late 2021, so, like, 3 years ago, right around this time on December 14th, so a couple days ago. This this happened in Vegas.
Tim Binnall:It's like this time of year is like weird shit. People do weird shit, I guess. And he, this guy, drove a limousine onto, the tarmac at McLaren Airport. Oh, no. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:McLaren Airport. So the major airport. So he drove a limo onto the tarmac, got out with a clown mask on, and then he wanted to steal a jet. He wanted to commandeer a jet to fly to area 51 to see aliens. So if he didn't get the plane, he was said he was gonna blow the place up with a bomb.
Tim Binnall:So, like, what the fuck?
AP Strange:Yeah. That one's pretty classic. That's got a lot of great elements there. You got the aliens, the alien conspiracy stuff, the clown. Right.
AP Strange:For some for some reason, I thought he was naked too, but I guess I'm misremembering.
Tim Binnall:I don't believe so. I don't believe so. He definitely had the clown mask on. Yeah.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess, they wouldn't count as as completely naked with the clown mask.
Tim Binnall:Wow. Yeah. No. It doesn't match anything about him being naked. I feel like that would almost be I I would almost have to put that in the title too, Naked man Right.
Tim Binnall:Clown because the title alone is, like, one of those things where it's like, this is a confluence of insane events. Man in clown mask attempts to steal jet to fly to area 51 to see aliens. It's like, when the fuck and, you know, the other one's like, they'll there will never be another samurai sword stabbing as a result of a 5 AM monopoly game. Right. You know?
Tim Binnall:That were that song that, like, that someone wasn't a participant in. So even after moving out of, like, that realm, it's like, no. An angry witness to a monopoly game got stabbed with his own samurai sword because they were playing at 5 AM. Like, that has never happened before and never will happen again. It's just too Right.
Tim Binnall:Too completely fucking random.
AP Strange:Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And, I mean, the clown thing is like, I guess that's that's kind of a popular well, I guess it's it's it's an easy mask to go to if you're gonna commit a crime. But, like, you kinda have to know if you're hijacking a plane that you're gonna get caught.
AP Strange:Right? Like, there's Yeah. Why bother? You know?
Tim Binnall:It's pretty crazy. Like yeah. Because yeah. The the thought process there. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:You're gonna take the plane. You can't even fly the plane, I assume. But, you know, once you land, like, they're gonna harass you once you get off the plane, dude. Like, there's no you really have no out there. So
AP Strange:Especially if you land at Area 51.
Tim Binnall:Right. Exactly.
AP Strange:Yeah. That that wasn't too long after the, storm area 51 thing. Right? Was that right around the same time? I don't even remember what year that was.
AP Strange:Was it 2020?
Tim Binnall:2020. I don't think so because of the pandemic. I don't think people would be talking about storm or anything. So maybe it was 2021. And if that's no.
Tim Binnall:Because it predated the, it predated the storming of the capital. So I always wondered if it, like, if that was some kind of weird. It was 2019. So
AP Strange:Oh. Yeah. Alright.
Tim Binnall:So 5 years ago. Wow.
AP Strange:You're good.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Shit.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's why the pandemic happened if we talk conspiracy. People tried to storm area 51, so they let out the contagion.
Tim Binnall:In order to prevent them from getting, inside? Right. Yeah.
AP Strange:Or for for for trying it again. Don't try that again.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Well, I do find I see that all the time, though, about the clown mask. I was thinking about that today, knowing we were gonna be talking. But yeah. So it's become a bummer in a way because it's like clown mask is essentially a ski mask.
Tim Binnall:Like, people neared to wells and miscreants have for play you know, they instead of putting on a ski mask like in the olden days or a nylon, like, if you go even further back, I guess. Right? This is the newest iteration of a of a of a criminal's mask. It's like they a lot of people wear clown masks to do shit, and it's like Yeah. You're cheapening you're cheapening the creepy clown phenomena.
Tim Binnall:Like, it's like, yeah, you know, you're not really you're only tangentially clown related.
AP Strange:Yeah. We can't even take the creepy clown seriously anymore. I say we gotta bring, we gotta bring back the, the balaclava for miscreants. That should have been the sponsor tonight. The balaclava ski mask for for miscreants.
Tim Binnall:Exactly. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. You know? I even heard there was a there there was a creepy clown with a mask at the strange realities conference this past year.
Tim Binnall:Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I tried my hand at being a creepy clown, dude. It was, it was intoxicating. It was it was really and also it was both intoxic this is bizarre.
Tim Binnall:I really immersed myself actually in the creepy clown. I tried to be a creepy clown. Like, I got the fucking mask. I had the whole suit. I was with the intention of being, like, unsettling, so I would, like, hide.
Tim Binnall:And when people would come outside, I'd peer around the corner and shit and did all the, you know, I was a real creepy clown, and it was well, it was both intoxicating and incredibly boring. So it was Yeah. Like, you're spending a lot of time waiting for someone to, like, notice you or kind of, like, come out from behind the doorway or something. So you're spending all this time just like, alright. Here I am.
Tim Binnall:Here I'm gonna creep on you. And then when they when they see you, it's like you you can kinda fuck around with them and do, like, shit, and it's just fun.
AP Strange:Yeah. I guess it kinda like working at a fun house or something where you gotta jump up, but you can't, like, hire people. So, you know, there's only so much you can do.
Tim Binnall:Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:So but it was it yeah. And after a while, I was just like, I gotta get out of this costume. It's just it becomes kind of like it takes hold of you in a in in a fucked up way. It's like, alright. I I I'm just done wearing this creepy clown costume.
Tim Binnall:It's, Yeah.
AP Strange:It's getting too much.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. I likened it to, like, those science fiction things, like the hobbits ring or whatever. You know? It's like it's like the clown costume does not want you to take it off, and at some point, it gets into your head. At least it did for me for me that frightening night.
Tim Binnall:It was like I'm like I'm like, alright. I'm like, I feel like this thing is, like, fucking on me, like a fucking like a like an evil parasite. I'm like, I have to get this thing. I have to get out of this crazy clown costume to the point that when it was when it was over, I, like, balled up the costume and the mask and just, like, threw it on the table at where at the the AV table at the in the conference. And Adam Singh was like, hey.
Tim Binnall:Aren't you gonna take this? And I'm like, I don't want that anywhere near me, dude. Like, I'm I'm fucking done. I'm never gonna I'm never gonna wear that creepy clown costume ever again. It kinda Wow.
Tim Binnall:It kinda gave me gave me the willies. It was, like, a really weird, weird experience. I recommend people to try it, though. It's it was Yeah. I mean, I've Yeah.
AP Strange:I've dabbled a little bit. I haven't gotten the full creepy clown. I'm a little I've done the goofy thing where, like, I closed the clown portal or, made an appearance on a podcast as a phantom clown. But I just for the listeners, when when you've been tracking clown clown movements and phantom clowns and creepy clowns for as long as Tim or I have, sometimes the grease paint rubs off on you a little, and you you gotta just try it on. You know?
Tim Binnall:You gotta know the enemy.
AP Strange:Have to know the enemy. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah.
AP Strange:Exactly. But, but I was reminded of, a weird clown mask story, that I came across. I stumbled across this just, like, out of curiosity because, I was at a yard sale. I found this pewter ring that said, Gilbert Reichert, world's tallest man.
Tim Binnall:Oh, wow. Was it a very large ring?
AP Strange:Yes. So, like, I couldn't quite fit, like, 2 of my fingers into it, but it it was way too big for any one of my fingers. Like, I could put it on my thumb. It's still too big. You know?
AP Strange:It would just fall off if I tried to wear it.
Tim Binnall:So I
AP Strange:ended up looking into it. I gotta, like, I gotta know who this Gilbert Riker character was. And, pretty interesting. I mean, I don't think he was ever the tallest man in the world, and you can't really get an exact measurement of his height. But he was he was a basketball player as well as a, like, a carny.
AP Strange:But it was, like, a novelty based basketball thing, I guess, like the Harlem Globetrotters. I don't know. Is this a thing? You're you're a sports guy. Is this still a thing?
Tim Binnall:Harlem Globetrotters are. So if he was mixed up with that troop, because they have an they have a rival troop that, like, takes the fall every the Washington generals. I think they've won, like, 3 times. Yeah.
AP Strange:I don't know.
Tim Binnall:I mean, I don't know what year. When was this guy around?
AP Strange:This is, like, the fifties. Like, the forties and the fifties. So he was part of there were I guess there were a bunch of novelty teams because he was originally on, like, the the, it was something like the Israelites or, like, the house of David Israel or something, and they all wore, like, long Jewish beards and the curls and everything.
Tim Binnall:Oh, weird. So may like roller derby or something. Yeah.
AP Strange:So yeah. And, yeah, I guess he was supposed to be, like, Goliath or something like that because he was huge. And, but then he ended up joining the Detroit clowns. So the team he was on was the the whole the whole team wore rubber clown masks while they were
Tim Binnall:playing. Jesus. This is like roller derby. Yeah. It's like a Warriors.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. It's exactly like the Warriors in the 19 fifties with, like, novelty basketball teams. I just think it's it's gotta suck to play basketball with a rubber mask on.
Tim Binnall:Oh, yeah. That'd be awful. Right? That'd be awful, dude. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. That's crazy. Did you buy the ring?
AP Strange:I did. I have it. Oh. That that's what inspired me to look into this. So here's the crime angle on this.
AP Strange:They were on tour, and their tour bus got stopped just outside of Boston. And this was right. But this was within a week or 2 of the Great Brink's armored car robbery. You've heard of this. Right?
Tim Binnall:Vaguely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:It was, like, it was considered the crime of the century at the time because somebody managed to stop an armored car and get away with, like, a ton of money in Boston. Yeah. And they got stopped, and they were briefly suspects in the Brinks robbery because of the rubber clown masks, which I guess was, like, similar to the masks that, that the robbers used. So
Tim Binnall:That's wild.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. So that one kinda ticks some of those weird crime boxes.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
AP Strange:All just all just all just because of a ring I found at a yard sale.
Tim Binnall:That's crazy. I didn't even I gotta look into this novelty basketball league. That sounds so weird.
AP Strange:Yeah. Right? I mean, I don't know how long that went on for, but I guess it must have been a thing in the forties fifties at least. You know?
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Things were different back then. I mentioned, mystery houses the other day. It'd be a stuff, but this is something I wanted to talk about.
Tim Binnall:So I'm just gonna mention it. Like, have you I went to this mystery house in South of Santa Cruz. Yeah. Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz.
Tim Binnall:In mid Santa Cruz Mystery Spot. It might be a different name, but it's it's world famous. And it's been around since, like, 1924. And, like, or something like that. No.
Tim Binnall:Later than that. 19 36 or something. So it's it's approaching the century mark, and it's like a historic fucking landmark of you know, it's got the historic thing out front and everything. But it's like a freak show thing. It's like, you go up on this hill.
Tim Binnall:Have you seen these mystery houses?
AP Strange:I you know, I'm not sure what you mean by mystery house, so you have to explain it to me a little bit.
Tim Binnall:It's a house. Right? It's a house on a hill that is, like, slanted, and they tell you that the house is slanted that way because it was pulled by a gravitational anomaly
AP Strange:Okay.
Tim Binnall:That that fucking, like, sucks the house into it. And they show you all the various gravitational anomalies associated with the house where, like, they'll put a ball, like, at the bottom of a ramp, and the ball will go up the ramp. Right. And they'll have you stand next to a tall guy or, you know, a tall guy and a skinny guy stand tall guy and a short guy stand next to each other, and then they have them move to the other ends of the of the pole. And all of a sudden their heights are flipped, and it's like, woah.
Tim Binnall:What the fuck? And there's parts where you get inside the house and you can stand on things and you look all unearthly. It looks like you're hanging in space and shit. It's all like magic, not literal magic, but like stage magic. It's all like tricks of tricks of, illusions and shit.
Tim Binnall:And they and it's amazing. It looks like a step back in time of, like, ridiculousness in a way. It's like because they the girl goes the tour guide, the young lady, excuse me, goes through the the whole shtick and find, like, it's a show, and it's like a old timey magic show in a way. It's really, really cool and weird. And what you were talking about made me piqued my thought about this was because as we were leaving there, we were there.
Tim Binnall:I was like, can you imagine, like, back in 1936, like, when you're here, like, they couldn't look that shit up and everything. Like, you couldn't get on, like, on just on the ride home. I'm on YouTube. Like, oh, okay. This is how that works and shit.
Tim Binnall:You know? It's like, oh, because the way they built the house, it's like this. You know? It's all it's all a trick of of, engineering and shit and architecture. There's no magical there's no magical gravitational flux in the in the hill.
Tim Binnall:By to that point that the one in Santa Cruz was a copy of one that's even older, still operation, famous, equally famous, I guess, maybe not as much because the Santa Cruz one's, like, California and everything, but a mystery house in Oregon. Same exact fucking attraction, relatively speaking. Same premise, everything. And the guy, I guess, who started the Santa Cruz mystery house sought was at went to that at some point in his travels, came back and was like, I'm gonna build one of those here. And he did, and the fucking owner of the Oregon mystery house threatened to sue him for stealing the mystery house.
Tim Binnall:And at some point, it came up that it was like, well, if you sue us for that, then if you say we stole your idea for the mystery house, then what you're saying is there really isn't any fucking mystery to it. Like, it's a thing that you made up. And so he was like, he dropped the suit, and then they they went on with the mystery house. And there's, like, 3 or 4 2 I know of. If if there's ever another strange realities or if anyone else has the balls to invite me to speak at their conferences Yeah.
Tim Binnall:I I really wanna do something on these mystery houses because there's 2 in California, and Tanny posted a picture a few months back or a few weeks back of an abandoned one in Michigan, and it was the same fucking thing. It was like this slanty ship, and this was like a abandoned one. I almost wanna go see it. But, so ones.
AP Strange:That's, really creepy. Like, just imagine being a and trying to, like, hold up hold up in, like, an abandoned house, and it turns out to be a mystery house. Like
Tim Binnall:Oh god. You're, like, rolling up the whole time? Yeah. You're, like, rolling up the hill and shit. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yep. Because that that's a naturally I think that's a naturally occurring feature somewhere. There's, like, mystery hills where if you put your car in neutral, it seems like your car rolls uphill.
Tim Binnall:Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The mystery house, not to be confused with mystery spots, I guess.
Tim Binnall:Well, this one's called a mystery spot. But, yeah, mystery hills. Yeah. But
AP Strange:But there is one in New Hampshire. There's one
Tim Binnall:House or Mystery Hill?
AP Strange:I think both, but the Mystery House is at, Clark's Trading Post in Lincoln.
Tim Binnall:Interesting.
AP Strange:Have you ever been there before?
Tim Binnall:Is that around where the Betty Martin Hill thing happened?
AP Strange:Yes. Very close to you.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. No. I haven't. It's one place I haven't really got a chance to go to. It's quite far from where I live
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:Relatively speaking. You know, it's a it's a long day trip.
AP Strange:White Mountains. It's a good 3 or 4 hour drive depending
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Depending on the time of year. But, yeah, Clark's Trading Post is a kind of place. They have, like, trained bears. That's, like, their biggest attraction. Yeah.
AP Strange:Oh,
Tim Binnall:I need to go here.
AP Strange:They do a show with bears that are that are trained to do tricks.
Tim Binnall:Oh, shit.
AP Strange:And they have a mystery house, and then they have a train that goes around the whole property. So it's like a little theme park kind of thing.
Tim Binnall:Oh, shit. I gotta go check this out. I'm gonna look into this mystery house. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Because I didn't even know they're like those, they're like an even rarer form of, of those UFO houses. You know how there's, like, Yeah. Yeah. Futuro Futuro houses. You know how there's, like, yeah.
Tim Binnall:There's a website that tracks them, and there's, like, maybe 35 something that got left. With these mystery houses, there's only gotta be less than 10. So, yeah, they're crazy.
AP Strange:Yeah. I'd I'd be curious to know. I mean, I'm sure there's gotta be somebody out there that's cataloged all the mystery houses. Right? Like
Tim Binnall:I believe so. I think I found the website, but I didn't really dig too deep into it. But, yeah, I think there was, like, 6 to 8, because I think there's one, like, in North Carolina or something like that too. But it was the kind of thing that if I, you know, if I went really crazy, I guess, I otherwise, I'd have to win the lottery, but, like, I don't have the funds to I don't have the funds to build 1. But if I could, I would build a fucking mystery house because it's like, what a what a fucking ridiculous fun attraction to own.
Tim Binnall:And Yeah. And you can, like, go out there in, like, a top hat and white gloves and be like, oh, now watch as the ball goes up. We don't know why it happens. We don't know why the ball rolls up, but it's, like, all all designed, architecturally. It's crazy.
AP Strange:Yeah. I could see you doing that. You you know what you need to do is build the world's largest mystery house.
Tim Binnall:Oh, shit. The mystery mansion. Yeah. Where it's just like all these different rooms.
AP Strange:Yeah. If it if it's got world's largest attached to it, though, people can't
Tim Binnall:pass that. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'll just make the rooms just a little bit bigger than the other ones that are, out there.
Tim Binnall:Yeah.
AP Strange:Like an extra 2 square
Tim Binnall:feet. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. There you go.
Tim Binnall:Oh, man. But, yeah, they're cool. They're really neat. They're funny. It's a real sense of nostalgia, because it's like this is this passed for entertainment, I guess, back in the day.
Tim Binnall:It still was fucking wildly entertaining. So but but I it wasn't like a sense of wonder. It was like, oh, this is quite the show.
AP Strange:Right. Right. Yeah. I I will say if you have, like, mobility issues at all or balance issues, those places are not a good idea. It'll totally screw with your equilibrium.
AP Strange:You know?
Tim Binnall:Oh, yeah.
AP Strange:Don't go.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It was
AP Strange:Even motion sickness. Like, I I do remember, like, as a kid going to Clark's Trading Post, and my mom walked into there, and she just, like, didn't go very far at all. She just got seasick because because the dimensions of the place made no sense to her. It just made her seasick. You know?
AP Strange:So
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard yeah. Unless you've been there, it's hard to explain to people, but it's like, yeah, there's all these different like, what you're saying.
Tim Binnall:It's like these different things that fuck with your eye line. Right. Like, there's the building and then the fence is behind it, but the fence is, like, kind of, like, at an angle and the house is at an angle, but really, they're actually fucking flat and and, like, built that way somehow. I don't know. It's crazy.
Tim Binnall:It's really
AP Strange:Yeah. From the outside, it it tends to look like a normal place, but then you walk in and the floor is then tilted and, like yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:It's really weird. Yeah.
AP Strange:It's pretty good engineering, though. I mean, it's pretty impressive stuff.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. The guy who first came up with it is pretty is pretty clever. You know? Right. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:That's the kind of thing, like like I said, I would like to I would do a presentation on that. It's the kind of thing, like, if I had, you know, a lot of ambition and free time, like, I would write a book on something like that, but it's not. Someone I wish there was a book on mystery houses because I would I would read it and immediately get the the the, the person on to talk about it because I find I find them fasting. But all the animals really did too much digging in them.
AP Strange:Yeah. It's hard to know because, I mean, it kinda falls under that, like, roadside America kinda tourist attraction sort of
Tim Binnall:thing. Right. Right.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. And I'm all about that. I love that stuff.
Tim Binnall:I like anything like that. Yeah. Right. They're really yeah. It's any anything with a hat anything that I generally if it has a gift shop, I I I get I give it a an extra plus.
AP Strange:And Yeah.
Tim Binnall:You know, a tour a tour is usually good. And if it's just like an odd kind of fucking museum is you know, those three things are Mhmm. You know, or an attraction like this thing. Like, you should've seen the fucking gift shop at this place. It was like, holy.
Tim Binnall:It was like walking into a Buc ee's. It was I was like, holy shit. That and the Winchester House. The Winchester House was even more Buc ee's. Winchester House gift shops like, it's a fucking warehouse.
Tim Binnall:It's like, holy holy shit.
AP Strange:Holy shit. See that place someday. Winchester Mystery House is is a is a pretty, it's kind of a bucket list for me. But It's pretty cool. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. It's pretty cool.
AP Strange:No. We should check out because we we could do it, in an afternoon, probably. I think I think it's in the town of Middleborough, but it's, like, general Tom Thumb's house. Yeah. The the the PT Barnum little person.
AP Strange:Okay. There was, like, his star little person in the circus that, and he went by general Tom Thumb, I think general. I may be getting his rank wrong, and I apologize if that's the case.
Tim Binnall:The Thumb ancestors are gonna come after you.
AP Strange:Right. Well, he they he he was born in Bridgeport, so he probably still has family in in New England that might come after me. But, yeah, he retired in in Middleborough, I believe, and and which is just kind of in Plymouth County, maybe.
Tim Binnall:Yes. Does that
AP Strange:sound right? Yeah. So, he had a house that was built to scale for him because he was only, like, 3 feet tall or something like that.
Tim Binnall:Okay. That's right. Yeah.
AP Strange:You know? I was
Tim Binnall:gonna ask that, but yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
AP Strange:I think the the historical society there owns it, so you can they're open, like, sometimes you can take, like, a little tour of it. But
Tim Binnall:Interesting. That's the kind of that's the that's the kind of place you wanna do a a ghost a ghost hunt. That would be
AP Strange:cool. Oh, yeah. Let's see. Ghost of general Tom.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Maybe PP Barnum's ghost is in there too. Who knows? You know?
Tim Binnall:Who knows? Maybe some kind of ethereal little beings are like, this is awesome. This is a house a house built for us, so we're gonna kind of inhabit this. And it's like, oh, shit. Turns out you're messing with, like, dwarf ghosts.
AP Strange:Little sprites and goblins and things?
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're like they're like it's like a clown car, so they can all fit in there, but it's just it's disproportionate. It, like, suits them best.
Tim Binnall:So it's like, hey, man. We're we're rolling here. Get the
AP Strange:bug out. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, to the point of what we've been talking about, it's like, Barnum originally had more like a museum. You know?
AP Strange:He had a single location before, and I think that caught on fire, which is what made him do the circus tent thing, like, the big tent.
Tim Binnall:He's not right on the
AP Strange:road with it. Yeah. But it was originally just, like, in a building. You know? And Oh,
Tim Binnall:I didn't know that. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. It's one of the original original circus guys. You know? Original modern circus guys. So
Tim Binnall:I wish I was of that era. I kinda miss like, I I don't miss it because I didn't get to experience it back when they had those touring touring troops of oddities and shit. Like, I would have been all about it.
AP Strange:Yeah. I think in another life, I could have easily just been a carny just like traveling with the circus and
Tim Binnall:Right. Yes. I think, yeah. Same here. It, like, it sounds appealing.
Tim Binnall:Nowadays, it's, like, not so much because it's probably, like, with all due respect to carnival workers, I feel like it's, like, this probably mixed up with a lot of math and all kinds of crazy shit. Like, I don't know. It's very dark world now. So, but back then, it was like they made it sound like they make it sound like it was for the dreamers. It's like I'm gonna go off and run off and join the circus.
Tim Binnall:It's like Right. Hey, man. Which which which way is it going? I'm I'm coming too. Like, I wanna fucking join the circus.
Tim Binnall:That sounds wild.
AP Strange:It really does. I mean, I don't know. It's it's definitely a huge part of it's like an underlying part of the American psyche, I think. It plays a large role in in forming our our idea of what entertainment is and all all that stuff. I mean, like, professional wrestling comes out of stuff.
AP Strange:You know? Yeah. For sure. That has a lineage there. Even the lingo they use comes out of, like, speak.
AP Strange:You know?
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's straight out of the carnival.
Tim Binnall:It's, it's very that's also very, yeah, very Americana. It's a it's a it's an American art form, I think.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yep. It's pretty crazy.
AP Strange:For better or worse. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:It kinda captures the American spirit in a way because it's like it's bullshit, but it's but it's also real and kind of like there's a duality to it. It's like a show, but the people really get hurt, but they're not, like, they get hurt from not from, like but the intention of not getting hurt or just even doing the shit hurts. You know what I mean? It's like Right. You're like, oh, it's like fake.
Tim Binnall:It's like, dude, some of these guys, like, are sucking like wheelchairs and shit now. It's like you fall on your back, like, 500 times a year. I I mean, I don't know what the I mean, I don't know anything about this, but I'd be willing to bet that, like, there's probably some kind of thing where, like, certain, like, ballet people probably have really fucked up feet. You know what I'm saying? Right.
Tim Binnall:Like, just from
AP Strange:Oh, yeah.
Tim Binnall:And it's like, oh, you gotta it's like, well, what? Is ballet fake too? It's like, we're not trying to hurt each other, obviously. It's a choreographed dance and shit. It's like but parts, when you do it, it really, yeah.
Tim Binnall:So it's like there's a duality to it that is very American because it's like trying to pull the wool over. There's a certain there's a certain American spirit there, a trickster ish element to to our country.
AP Strange:Yeah. For sure. I, like, I thought it was really interesting. You had, Delaney Bowers on your show recently, and she was kind of talking about folklore as it applies to to wrestling. And I was like, wow.
AP Strange:Yeah. I never even thought about that, but it is kinda like a weird little analog to to America broadly. You know? So
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. And it's like done right, it's like you know? But really it could be really good storytelling. It's just basic sort of like like like morality plays and shit.
Tim Binnall:You had a good guy and a bad guy and shit.
AP Strange:It's just
Tim Binnall:as much within that tradition. It's just for this American audience where the guys are, like, crazy, cartoonish villains and shit that fly all over the place and do crazy stuff. So Yeah. Then you have theater.
AP Strange:You have another layer to it, though, with, like, the real life drama and some of the horrendous shit that happens behind the scenes.
Tim Binnall:Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Well, that is that is a whole another, yeah, kettle of fish.
Tim Binnall:It's yeah.
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:It's a very it's a very sleazy underworld. 1 of the more I mean, I can't say. I'm not actually I I take that back. I'm not a part of very many underworlds. So I I couldn't say if it's any, like, you know, the clown community or, like, magicians or
AP Strange:Elvis impersonators.
Tim Binnall:Elvis impersonators, drag queens. They might be like, oh, honey, you have no idea. This is Right. What we do is, you know, the sleaziest shit happens in our world. They're all, like, fighting about it.
Tim Binnall:You know? So I don't know. But it does have a very sleazy thing. It's certainly like, it was super I think part of it was because it was just, like, super closed off for so long. It was, like, super secretive and shit.
Tim Binnall:It come it's born out of this, like, super secret world and shit where because it's so secretive, people can get away with fucking a lot of really awful shit.
AP Strange:Right. You know? Well, up to including murder probably. Right?
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Very well could be. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. I don't know. Recent revelations about, like, Vince McMahon and stuff are just horrendous. Like, just shit I never wanna think about again.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. But for I mean, they surprised me in a sense where just the the graphicness of it. But to me, it was like but that he would be that way wasn't at all any surprise because it was, like, allegedly. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:You know? But just because the guy, he seemed crazy as shit. He's, like, has ultimate power. He's like the leader of a cult. It's like a cult business.
Tim Binnall:It's like a business it's almost yeah. It's like a business slash cult. You know? And and it makes perfect sense that, like, the cult leader always is, like, the most depraved individual in the cult. Like, they they're like, every time you hear about these cults, I think that maybe that's why it's, like, so shocking in a way to some people where it's like, no.
Tim Binnall:No. No. This wasn't so much a business as it was a cult. And then you look at cults, and it's like, well, then, yeah, I could see why this guy was allegedly, like, a sex trafficker, fucking sex slave owner and shit and just crazy as fuck. Like
AP Strange:Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Because he was the leader of a cult. He had no accountability whatsoever, and he was a super billionaire. So, that's it. You know? It's the recipe for disaster.
Tim Binnall:Look. Well, I don't wanna wanna get political, but yeah. People can people can draw this line from one talk to the other.
AP Strange:Speaking of clown cars, yeah. Like
Tim Binnall:Exactly. Yeah. But, yeah, an unaccountable an unaccountable cult leader with, unlimited resources is almost certainly gonna, like, do horrible shit.
AP Strange:So Yep. Yep. Yeah. We can park that there. Do you have any, weird cult stories?
AP Strange:Any any of the ones you picked out that touch on cults at all?
Tim Binnall:Not off the top of my head that I can think of. No. Not at no. I haven't I don't know. I'm trying to think now.
Tim Binnall:I do watch a lot of shit and, you know, read a lot of shit, but I haven't no. The only thing, the only culty thing is, like and it it may not even be that. I'm kind of on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what happened with this girl that this young woman who my apologies, folks. I'm old. I came to the realization, like, any woman younger than me, I call a girl.
Tim Binnall:Any woman older than me, I call a lady like a like a ma'am or whatever. So I'm just like I'm just too old fashioned or whatever. I'm just an idiot. So Yeah. But this young woman who, went missing, you know, she flew from Hawaii to LA, sent some weird texts to her friends, fucking went missing.
Tim Binnall:Her father came out to look for her, and then her father killed himself, like, after 2 weeks because he was so distraught. And now they found her, like, down in Mexico, and and they don't it hasn't really even explained yet what the fuck happened. It was it's a really bizarre case. I hope that it's I don't even know. I I I you know, in this case, like, a mental break is the best case scenario because otherwise, it's like because there was a lot of talk.
Tim Binnall:We asked about cults. That's what led me to this. That she may have gotten mixed up with some kind of, like, cult. That was the concern. And and, like, somehow they duped her or convinced her to go to Mexico or something.
Tim Binnall:So I'm waiting to hear what the story is, with that. Yeah. That was the latest weird cult thing I heard. But the, my eyes were opened earlier this year with that HBO special because the about the cults that, our friend Louise, her last name scares me now. But, Emily Louise.
Tim Binnall:Emily Louise. Excuse me. Yeah. The the documentary that she was a part of with that cult, like, out in Utah and shit, it's just amazing. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Love is 1. It's just amazing that the that that shit was happening, like, like, 2 or 3 years ago. So it is so when I heard that this girl woman might have been caught up in a, cult. I kinda believed it. So I don't know.
Tim Binnall:We'll see what happens.
AP Strange:So this is a this is a developing story right now.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's like 23 or 24, I think. I don't know.
Tim Binnall:But she flew to LA and then was gonna fly to New York, but then got off the flight at LA, wandered around Los Angeles for a while, vanished, turned up in Mexico like a month later. So
AP Strange:Right. Very crowded. Imagine there's any can't imagine there's any cults or groups in LA that you can I know? That was a thing. Yeah.
AP Strange:Seems like such an up and up place. I'd love to go there someday just to go to the Unarius Academy of Arts and Sciences. Have you ever been there before?
Tim Binnall:Yeah. I've been there a couple times. Good. Yeah. 2 or 3 times.
Tim Binnall:It's nice. It's cool. It's like the mystery house where it's it's like a throwback, and it's all very has all these very small, dioramas and shit and just just things like that. Everything's kinda got that 50, 60 sort of, like, color palette and space like that. Imagine how you imagine space and has these giant murals, and it's it's interesting.
Tim Binnall:It's interesting.
AP Strange:Giant is there a giant portrait of, Ruth Norman inside?
Tim Binnall:I believe so. I believe so. There's a back there's a room you go in, and it's, like, all mirrors and shit. It's, like, trippy as hell. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:I haven't been there in, like, 5 or 6 years, but it's it's, yeah, it's striking in a way because it's, like, very big, but it everything's kinda, like, spaced out. It's a little, it's a bit, like, underwhelming in a sense because there's, like, quite a few displays and shit, but the building is much bigger than this is than is needed for the display. So they're, like, super spaced out, and you're kinda like Oh, okay. You're like, alright. This this all could have been done in a much smaller, fashion.
Tim Binnall:So, Yeah. But the people the peep the lady who worked there at the time was a true unionarian or whatever. She was like, it wasn't just someone who worked it wasn't just someone going to college who needed a job on the side or whatever. It was like, hey. You know?
Tim Binnall:Alright. I'll because it's free. You'll go in and walk around and look around. So it's, yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:So she was like a gen because I asked about something if it was like I I think I called it a religion or mentioned it being a religion or something like that, and she was like, it's a movement. It's not a religion. And I was like, oh, okay. She was very adamant about that. And,
AP Strange:So a movement to prepare humanity for when the space brothers are gonna come and rescue us all. Right? So
Tim Binnall:I did have another experience like that, though. There's another one in cal in LA. I forget the name of it now. Ethereus, I think. Ethereus.
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:And they're much more they seem much more active relatively to the Enerius group because they were, like, 6 to 8 fucking people who were hanging around their compound, and that's, like, right in the heart of LA. And, interestingly, there was this young guy, his kid, who came up he said he came up from, like, Florida. So it's like, it's a big enough organization that he talk about, like, leaving and enjoying the circus. Like, he left
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:Florida to come move to LA, to move to the Ethereus compound, to be a part of the Ethereus movement. And I was like, that's interesting. Like, I would love to, like Yeah. I would love to I mean, more so just be this guy's friend. I don't wanna fucking I don't because I joked at the time, like, I'd love to fucking do that and go inside the Ethereus group, but I'm afraid I'd end up moving too deep into the into the scene and just become a true a true Etherean.
Tim Binnall:So Yeah. That that would I I'm very susceptible to the love bomb. So Yeah. I would
AP Strange:I dream the inner sanctum of the Ethereus society. But Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, that started in England, so that had some that had some
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:You know? So Yeah.
Tim Binnall:I think it I think they still have a compound like that in it's a building. It's like a building with some outbuildings and shit. Like a shed. It's not like it's got fucking fountains and shit. I don't want people to think like it's like wake Waco.
Tim Binnall:It's like the complete opposite. It's it's, it's got gorgeous fountains and finely pruned trees and all this shit. It's like a it's like a almost Buddhist in a way. It's got very the aesthetic is, like, super the attention to detail of all that. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:So Yeah.
AP Strange:Last time I checked, both Enerius and Aetherius Society had, like, active websites. So anybody can just look those up if you're listening and have no idea what we're talking about, do that. Any listeners that have no idea about these weird, UFO religious groups. Although, I guess, Zenarius isn't religion. Yeah.
AP Strange:It's a it's
Tim Binnall:a movements.
AP Strange:Yeah. But but, yeah, for listeners, if you like I said, if you don't know, Google a picture of Ruth Norman because she's fabulous. She had the best fashion sense of any contactee. Just extravagant. And, go on YouTube to find a a a video of George King who started the Aetherius Society because you can see him channel aliens, and it's pretty wild.
AP Strange:So it's it's definitely worth a watch if you're if you're inclined toward that sort of thing.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. It it was a cool era.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. I mean, today, reporting on UFOs seems boring.
AP Strange:I mean, I guess I kinda have to ask you because it's happening at the time of this recording. What do you make of all the drone stuff?
Tim Binnall:Oh, I hate the drone stuff. I hate the drone stuff. It's it's figured. I got kinda caught flat footed on from the start because I was like, wait a minute. What?
Tim Binnall:I didn't take it seriously, and I didn't realize it was gonna blow up into something huge. And I still, like, don't like it. I don't I other guys at the site have covered it mostly instead of me. I just find it really just kinda tedious, and and it's it the throwback to what we were talking about earlier. It's like the 2016 clown thing, but in a different, or the 2020 monolith thing in a different, way.
Tim Binnall:Maybe it happens every 4 years. Maybe every 4 years, there's some kind of, some kind of, like, flap, some kind of panic, some kind of, hysteria. Like like I said, 2016 was the clowns, 2020 was the monoliths, and now the right now it's the drones. But it's like I saw an interesting theory that they're, like, government drones and they're supposed they're, like, tasked or designed or whatever to to, like, look for radioactive shit, whether it's a test of their capabilities or it's, an actual threat might be why they you know? Well, we may never know.
Tim Binnall:Right? But, And that and people who are like, tell us what the drones are for. It's like, well, they probably they don't wanna tell us because either you know, they don't wanna that would freak people out more than than people are imagining. So
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:So I think it's something like that or along those lines. Like, some kind
AP Strange:of a
Tim Binnall:test or they're looking for something. And, and I'm kind of just cool with that. I'm trying not like, it doesn't bother me so much. But then
AP Strange:Yeah. I don't feel like it's really I don't feel like it's really like a UFO thing. It's just it's kinda tangential to UFOs, but everybody's treating it like this is the flying saucers coming down from outer space. I'm like, not really, though. And then I'm just seeing tons of pictures that are obviously airplanes or conventional craft and stuff.
AP Strange:And people are like, what is that, man? And why is it just hovering there? You know? So I I I don't know. It's kinda thing I'm just waiting for it to blow over.
AP Strange:You know? Yes.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. That's how I feel too. It's very frustrating for me as a UFO news aggregator. It's very it it it's I'm not a part of the UFO community. I'm embarrassed for them, some of the people who are, like, trying to make this otherworldly.
Tim Binnall:And it's, like, no. Like, we know they're fucking drones, dude. We know they're drones, and they're not this isn't not alien. It's some kind of terrestrial thing. They're not per se unidentified flying objects.
Tim Binnall:They're like they're they're UFDs. They're un no. They're just UD. They're just UDs. They're just unidentified drones.
Tim Binnall:So like UFO people who are like, oh, this isn't related to UFO. It's like, no, it's not. It's a whole fucking different thing, and you're kind of embarrassing yourself to to keep pushing this as as something, you know, connected to what we know and love as UFOs. So I don't know. It's very weird.
AP Strange:If you know their drones and you just want answers as to what the hell they're doing, it's like, okay. But we never really got answers about those balloons that got shot down not so long ago. Right? Like, we still don't know what that was all about.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Never said much about it. So, yeah.
Tim Binnall:And then it it it it could kinda see how it all fucking happens because now it's like, okay. Now you've got people who are looking who never look up in the sky, so then they're seeing shit like airplanes. There was a congressman or some shit who was like, what the fuck this weekend? I looked out my window and I saw this thing, these these these set of lights in the sky. And someone was like, bro, that's the constellation whatever.
Tim Binnall:And they like Right. Put it right where the, you know, where the guy was looking. Because he like took a picture and they're like, no, bro. Like, there's an app for that and put it in your app and it'll show you that that's constellation. So you have people looking up in the sky who were seeing shit that like, they figure you up.
Tim Binnall:I was literally, like, I hate to sound like Phil class or whatever, but it's like fucking Venus or what. They don't know. They don't know. So you got that. Plus, I would assume, like, a whole slew of assholes who were like, well, fuck this.
Tim Binnall:I'm going up with my drone. I'm putting my drone up. I wanna see what's going on up there. I'm gonna go drone hunting with my drone. So we've got a there are I think that happened here in Massachusetts.
Tim Binnall:Right? Didn't they, like, arrest a couple of idiots who were, like, fucking around with a drone, like, over the over the weekend? I wanna say Bridgewater or something. But it's so you're getting now you're gonna get, like, a whole slew of people who were, like, they're gonna fucking so now you're adding to the drones. Now other people are seeing the completely unrelated fucking drones from the beginning.
Tim Binnall:They're seeing they're seeing huckleberry drones, we'll call them. So so the the huckleberries are fucking like, hey, I'm gonna fucking put my drone up and see. So then these people see the huckleberry drones and it's like, this is different than the other thing, and it's a big old fucking mess.
AP Strange:It's just
Tim Binnall:a big mess, and I'm just so tired of hearing about it.
AP Strange:Well, not just that, but it's like somebody posted a video on Instagram that's been going around now. They're, like, shoot trying to shoot the drone down with, like, tracer rounds.
Tim Binnall:Oh, yeah. That'll be next. Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:No. That's already happened.
Tim Binnall:Well, yeah. They'll shoot one down, I mean, or something. I mean, like yeah.
AP Strange:But he's got a laser scope he's got a laser scope trying to shoot this thing down with tracer rounds, which isn't gonna take it down. But, I mean, pointing a laser into the sky is, I think, a federal offense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. You could blind a pilot doing that, which
Tim Binnall:Yeah. You can get into a lot of trouble for that. It's amazing how they, like yeah. It's amazing how they catch someone who but they do catch them, but it's just like that's a testament to, the how they can get anyone these days for anything. It's like, how did you find the guy who was down and stuck his arm out his window and flashed the thing?
Tim Binnall:It's like, well, we got him. We did the math. We backed it up. We fucking could do the thing, and that's how we know. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:And it's like, holy shit. Right. It's like, wow.
AP Strange:It's kinda funny. It's funny how readily available, like, laser pointers are. You know? Like, everybody has one just to, like, mess with their cat or whatever. It's just like Yeah.
AP Strange:They're that dangerous. It's almost like, why why are they so easy to get? It's just kinda strange. You know? But
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's I I won't go too deep into this, but, yeah. I I went real deep on this with, it's something to think about.
Tim Binnall:Maybe it'll kinda pique your interest going forward. But, yeah, they talk a lot about disclosure and shit, and they they want the government to give us the alien information and stuff. And just talk about this with, Miguel Romero on a recent BOA. And it's just like the 3 d printing technology. That's the thing.
Tim Binnall:With the ghost guns and everything, it's like everything you get this advanced technology and people find a way to do bad shit with it. So it's like, I can kinda understand sometimes why they don't want to tell us anything because like it's the old like this is why we can't have nice things. It's like they're gonna take away 3 d printing because you can't because people are making guns out of it. It's like they're gonna take away the lasers because people are shooting it checks with it. It's like can't you assholes just not fucking fucking huckleberry this up?
Tim Binnall:Like, can you not? Jesus. They're gonna be like, no one gets a drone anymore because of the huckleberry's fine. They're fucking drones who ruined our whole drone exercise. We were trying we were trying to look for a dirty bomb, but thanks a lot, Huckleberry.
Tim Binnall:It's now you know, we can't we can't find it because because all your drones are fucking up everything.
AP Strange:Well, I think I think we're we're establishing new, new boundaries of, of banal banalisms tonight with the huggleberry.
Tim Binnall:A new binocular. Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:There we go. So we'll just we'll just make that one happen, trademarked and all. Don't huckleberry this up.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Just just dumb people doing dumb shit, man. Like, don't you shit know better, man? Don't why are you putting your fucking drone up? Like, why?
Tim Binnall:People are freaked out about drones. That would be like someone being like, everyone's freaking out about these clowns. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna dress as a fucking clown too and walk around. It's like that what I did is, yeah, that's that's like an homage.
Tim Binnall:But this is like during the flap, like, there were crazy people that were like, I gotta do it too. It's like, bro. Just stop. Just stop.
AP Strange:Yeah. But, I mean, there are a lot of, like, weird ones too. So and and but, I mean, now in today's day and age, everybody's looking for attention. Everybody has the ability to take videos and put it online, and you don't know what to trust. It's like as soon as
Tim Binnall:Oh, I know.
AP Strange:Yeah. So, I mean, you you know you know, like, half of the clown stuff was, the people intentionally making a video to, like, pretend that they were being chased by a clown or something like that.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:But Well, that was That's why we're
Tim Binnall:TikTok, so it's at least kind of it would have been they would have ruined it, like, like, within the fucking month. It would have been like, oh, man. Yeah. I try to stay off of there because it's too it's just too geared towards people wanting to it's just too engagement farm ish. Right.
Tim Binnall:You know what I mean? So you can't trust anything, like you're saying. It's like, oh, alright. You know, he did this to get attention on TikTok.
AP Strange:Right. Right. Yeah. And then even when people are commenting this is fake, that still drives the engagement, you know, because then people are arguing or whatever. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Exactly. It's all a big game. It's crazy. It's really irritating.
AP Strange:Yeah. And I mean, it has been this way with UFOs for the longest time. Like, I'm sure this has been the case for you. You and I agree on this is that, like, pictures of UFOs have been the least exciting thing on the Internet. And then
Tim Binnall:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
AP Strange:Like, pretty much since Photoshop's been a thing. Like look at this compelling UFO photo or video, and you're just like, man, I don't know. Anybody coulda, like, made that, you know, just, you know, you made it in Photoshop or or did some kind of CGI. Yeah. It's like and it's only getting worse these days because you can do it with virtually anything.
AP Strange:Like
Tim Binnall:Yeah. The AI stuff has just kinda ruined a lot of that shit. Yeah. You know? But luckily, in a sense, I mean, I don't see too much it hasn't quite see, it doesn't seem like it's quite at the point now where they're they can really super well fake, like, a UFO sighting or a Bigfoot, like, video just quite yet.
Tim Binnall:But I feel like it's getting closer. And, because a lot of the AI shit I see is so, like, outlandish that you know immediately that it's AI. Like, I don't know. There's some of the things I've seen, it's, like, has, like, a an old black and white picture of a prospector standing next to a Bigfoot. And it's like, oh, look what someone found in their uncle's attic.
Tim Binnall:And it's like, okay, dude, this looks way like it is as photo realistic as it looks. It's obviously fucking, like, fake. You can just tell it has no soul. It's, it it's like yeah. So but it'll get worse.
Tim Binnall:You know? Shit like, the obscure shit. Like, I could see, like, lake monsters and shit. Like, being people being like, oh, look at that thing that kinda popped up or whatever. You know?
Tim Binnall:But
AP Strange:Yeah. It's kinda weird that that hasn't happened. I don't think I've seen any AI. No. Not yet.
AP Strange:But, or, like, anybody attempting it. You know? But, we're we're always happy enough with, like, the ripple on the water that that kinda looks like it might be a sea serpent. So,
Tim Binnall:yeah. Nessie's like Nessie's like that like, the dog that hasn't got adopted from the shelter after, like, years.
AP Strange:Well yeah. Alright. So speaking of
Tim Binnall:to pick on Nessie.
AP Strange:Right. Speaking of of hyper specific, like, niche inch interests, and, like, internecine stuff. But no pun intended. I actually really didn't intend that one, but that was a good one. The internecine, infighting in the Nessie community is something that you've covered over the years.
AP Strange:Yeah.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. I reported on it a little today. If people are listening, yeah, it's all the 20 it now today is 16th December, but the because I had been thinking about this all year because the fucking number for Nessie sightings was super down. They only had 3 they only had really, if we're gonna be honest, one actual genuine sighting, which was someone like on the shore who saw Nessie. I think they got a picture or saw, you know, what they think is Nessie.
Tim Binnall:The other 2 were like a hydrophonic thing and, a sonar reading, so technical sightings. So, you know, virtual sightings almost. So we only won sighting this year, and that's crazy. Like, they usually for the last 10 years, they've gotten, like, 10 or 15. You know, somewhere between you know, it doesn't, let's say.
Tim Binnall:It doesn't, give or take. Right. But then I looked more into it, and about 10 years ago, they they were they only had 1. And, and, like, in the preceding, like, 7 years or so, it was, like, 1212232, and it was, like, oh, okay. So the all the odds halfway or so early early 20 tens, they were getting 1 or 2 or 3, like, a year, and then it kinda blew up.
Tim Binnall:I don't know ex partially because of the webcam stuff Right. Which caused the controversy because the the what Nessie heads were like, they think those are bullshit sightings. A lot of them are pretty bad, but, I mean, a lot of the on on the shore sightings are pretty fucking bad
AP Strange:to Well, because there's a guy there's a guy that's, like, in Ireland or something that just monitors this webcam all the time. Right?
Tim Binnall:Yes. Owen o Owen Ophadien, I believe is his name. But he's like a legend in a sense and also a villain, depending on where you are in the world, because he, like, clocks, like, 8 web he watches this 5, I think it's now 4. Four webcams that watch over Nessie and, over Loch Ness, and he watches them, like, I guess, all day and shit.
AP Strange:He's got, like, this control room with 4 screens and
Tim Binnall:I think I really think so. I really think so. Or he's just like, yeah. Or he just, I don't know, records them all day and then watches them at night. Like, that's what he does at night.
Tim Binnall:I don't know. It's very sad. But he's, like, captured, like, 8 or 7, I think, this year of weird, things that
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:You know? But sometimes, like, one one, he had to, like, call back because, someone was like, yeah. That was me. I was swimming there at that time at that location. So we, like, called so it's like, that's how hard how I don't wanna say bad, but that's how indecipherable these webcam sightings could be, which is the argument of the NESE heads.
Tim Binnall:So they eventually, like, won out, and the official registry just stopped counting the webcam sightings, which in part, I think dropped there's, like, steroids. It like dropped the number way back down to like 3 this year. But I don't know. Other I mean, it's still unusual. Like, you still usually get more people like on the shore who report something.
Tim Binnall:So I don't know. I mean, I had Paige Daley on the show, and she took over the registry, but I don't think it has anything to do with the lower number unless she's, like, super super strict with, with what gets the thumbs up and thumbs down.
AP Strange:Yeah. So I don't know if it's something I can do. She's she sounded like she was pretty no bullshit. She she didn't suffer fools gladly, so she would she's probably taking it very seriously and weeding out a lot of stuff. But
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. I would suspect. And, like, with all due respect to her dad, maybe her dad would maybe was just a little bit looser on the reins where he's like, okay. Yeah.
Tim Binnall:That looks pretty you know, that looks good. And and, maybe she was like, hey. Let's let's send this to a scientist and see what he says. And the guy's like, oh, yeah. It's clearly a seal or whatever.
Tim Binnall:You know? So I don't know. I don't know. I I I would be interested to know if the if the change over there had any, any bearing on the number being pretty low this year. I would guess so.
Tim Binnall:I would guess so. Just just by nature.
AP Strange:So is that feud still going? You said you just wrote about it today. Is there is there still feuding going on over
Tim Binnall:the last? No. No. I think Owen is Page was very there's no feud with, like, the Europe or the, Loch Ness Registry per se. It was more just like the hard core Nessie fans and researchers and shit.
Tim Binnall:Right. And they they were like, you know, they didn't want webcam sites to get the same level of recognition as the other thing. And then the other guy was just kinda like, hey. This all happened, like, 2 years ago. And, eventually, when they launched the extra things, the extra webcams in 2022, the Loch Ness registry was like, look.
Tim Binnall:You gotta have, like, clear as day footage of this thing to even get through the door here on this. And now that killed the webcam sightings and shit, which I I guess makes sense because I would assume they would have to, like, weed through they were expecting to have to weed through, like, even more of these, like, really grainy videos and shit that, you know, what are you even gonna do with? So but that was kinda the end of it. And the guy the web guy still does it. The webcam guy still captures them.
Tim Binnall:Like, he had 7 or 8 this year, and, he's still at it. I think he just begrudgingly kind of accepts that he's not gonna get the recognition from the official registry, which in a way is kind of why I cover his sightings, at the Coast Coast site because people, you know, some of the people in the in the community, like, really don't like that these are even considered sightings, but it's like, hey, man. I'll just leave it up to I'll leave it up to you to figure out what is a sire or not. Like, he's at least we're only getting 3 from the registry. It's like, oh, there's others going on, but they're this way and that way and through the webcam and shit.
Tim Binnall:And, you know, people like Nessie, and they wanna hear about Nessie.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, the man's in it for the love of the game for sure. Yeah. And I and I mean, the the way you write stories on there, you always kind of, you're very good at laying out all the facts and then leaving it for people to decide on their own. So it's,
Tim Binnall:Oh, thanks, man. I try. I really try to. You know? It's funny because I feel I get I get kinda it hurts me a little bit because I'll see in various places, like, someone give me an example.
Tim Binnall:Like, now I can't because I don't remember what the story was. But somebody I debunked some fucking story and someone was like, yeah, that's not true. Actually, check out this thing from coast to coast AM. And so and then they were like, yeah, I don't know if I trust coast to coast AM though. You know?
Tim Binnall:Like, oh, aliens and shit and Bigfoot and all that. And it's like, bro, I fucking I I I I cover it by the book, man. I cover it by the book. There's no, there's no sensationalizing with what I do. And, and I I actually quite enjoy, like, debunking crazy stories that I know turn out to be bullshit.
Tim Binnall:So it's kinda like, well, at least I did my due diligence on on that and get everybody the the straight dope.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, well, that's what we count on you for. You know? And,
Tim Binnall:Oh, thanks, man.
AP Strange:Themselves are so sensational that you don't need to, like, sensationalize it. You know? The Yeah. They're wacky stories, so it's like, why why didn't you do inflate that wackiness? It's like, just lay it out for people.
AP Strange:And then Yeah. You you you always offer, like, an alternative. You're like, of course, some might say that this is the case, but, you know, that's left for for the reader to decide here. You know? So
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Unless I'm absolutely certain that it's like I can say for sure that it was like the Goodyear blimp or whatever, then I'll be like, oh, it was the Goodyear blimp or it was Starlink or whatever.
Tim Binnall:You know? I'll I'll I'll I'll point that out. But, otherwise, it's like, oh, it could have been this. People say it could have been that. It could be military flares.
Tim Binnall:It could be a lot of these these lanterns are probably responsible for a lot of, I always look when I see a UFO video or whatever. I'm like, oh, what day of the week was that? And if it's like a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I'm always just like and it was like a city ish area, and it's like 5 or 6, like, glowing things, like, kind of floating through the sky. I'm always like, that's gotta be lanterns, dude. It's lanterns.
Tim Binnall:It's not like it's not that out of the yard. But, yeah, it's like when people look up in the sky rare occasion, they're like, what the fuck is that? There's like a cluster of 6 lights, and they're moving they don't even realize that this is a regular occurrence.
AP Strange:Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was pretty funny because my phone was blowing up with various people messaging me about drones in various groups that I was in just having, like, a big conversation about it. And I I I was, like, a little here and there. I'm just like, yeah.
AP Strange:I mean, I I don't know what to tell you. I don't know anything about aviation. This really is not my bag.
Tim Binnall:Right. Right.
AP Strange:But then I stepped outside, and I'm like, yeah. Look up with the sky. Let's see if there's anything up there. And then crazy shit started, like, shooting by and, like, in and out of the clouds. I was like, what is going on?
AP Strange:And then I'm like, wait. I think that was a shooting star. And I look around, and I saw, like, 6 or 7 more. And, yeah, it was a meteor shower the other night. I was like, well, that's pretty wild.
Tim Binnall:I'm glad it picked
AP Strange:up. You know? Yeah. I had no idea there was a meteor shower tonight. So that's, that's pretty awesome, actually.
AP Strange:So
Tim Binnall:Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. I got the same thing where people like old buddies text out of nowhere. What do you think is going on with those drones?
Tim Binnall:It's like, why would I just that's out of my realm. Like, that's again, I say again, with, like, the UFO people. It's like, stay in your lane. Like, we're not you're you're not military aviation people. You don't know shit about that.
Tim Binnall:You know, about, like, fucking
AP Strange:Right.
Tim Binnall:Reptilians and shit. Yeah.
AP Strange:And, I mean, some of the people I know do know about that stuff, and then they kinda tell me. And, like, honestly, like, I hate to say it, but my eyes just kinda glaze over when you're, like, talking specs on, like, planes and, like, altitude Yeah. And what they're capable of. And I'm like, yeah.
Tim Binnall:I don't know.
AP Strange:Just I don't know, man. That's above my pay grade, and it it's hard for me to wrap my head around. You know? So, I'm not I I'm open to the idea that there could also be strange things happening in in conjunction with it. And, like, I have seen strange, you know, light forms and things like that, and I've heard some pretty credible stories, about that kind of thing.
AP Strange:So I'm not about to say, like, none of it is that. But, I mean, it I I'm a little tired of seeing there there was one that was posted, on on, I think, Instagram, a video on Route 146, which is not far from where I live. It's a couple miles from where I live. Yeah. And this woman is hanging out the door window of her car taking a a video.
AP Strange:She's like, oh, these things are floating right above the highway. They're, like, hovering over us. And it's, like, 2 airplanes that were both going the same direction, and I'm just like, those are just planes. Like
Tim Binnall:Right.
AP Strange:You've never seen a plane before? Like
Tim Binnall:Really not. Yeah. Not not from your car where you're driving down the highway. Yeah. People are yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Worcester Airport's really just right over there. You know? What to tell you. You know?
AP Strange:So
Tim Binnall:Well, we're see, we're spoiled because we're like we're we've been conditioned to be super skeptical of, like it takes it has to be a real UFO to get our attention. So it's like we're just like we immediately, maybe if you had other people, like, immediately, like, holy shit. It's fucking one of the drones and sheds. And for us, it's like, alright. Let's go through the list of things this could be before it's even remotely interesting.
Tim Binnall:Yeah. It's like, could it be a plane? Yes. It's a plane. It's like, okay.
Tim Binnall:That does. Right. Yeah. It's like, is that the helicopter near the hospital? Yeah.
Tim Binnall:That's the helicopter near the hospital. That's not a that's not anything too particularly crazy.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. Let me know when it's a flying saucer. That's when I'm interested. You know?
AP Strange:The flying saucer is
Tim Binnall:what I'm looking for. Yeah. Yeah. When it flies down to you, then get in touch, like, so we can you know? And I and I hear stories like people who are like, yeah.
Tim Binnall:Then the drone flew down and landed in front of my car. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I wanna hear that.
Tim Binnall:Like, but that you saw one out of your window, like, alright. You know? Who cares?
AP Strange:Show us the fucking aliens, man.
Tim Binnall:Show us the fucking aliens. Yeah. Show us the fucking drones. Like Yeah. Tired of the videos.
AP Strange:Yep. Oh, boy. Well, we're we're we're I think we're at about an hour now. We we have had had a a good, crazy conversation here. What what what do you what do you got coming up in the, in the future on on on BOA?
AP Strange:You're on the revival now. You've you've had, like, a pretty wonderful revival on the show.
Tim Binnall:Oh, thank you, man.
AP Strange:Yeah. I've been really enjoying a lot of the recent guests. For people that haven't been tuning in to the Tim show, check out the one about the owl murder, the the Oh, yes. Kenny Smith.
Tim Binnall:Kenny Smith?
AP Strange:Yeah. The the like, you've covered some weird true crime on there recently, like I said before, with some some DB Cooper and other stuff. But, I I don't I you probably don't wanna give too much away, but do you have any any kind of big plans? Are are you gonna keep the revival going on schedule that you're at now? Because I know you've been prone to breaks in the past.
AP Strange:But
Tim Binnall:Yeah. I know. Before the revival, there was that sort of wandering in the desert period there after Yeah. The season I wrapped up the seasonal format. But I think I'm in it now for for the foreseeable future.
Tim Binnall:I may take, like, a month off to sort of recharge my batteries, like I did back in, August, but I I intend to keep doing, like, a weekly show for as long as I enjoy doing it. And I don't see that stopping anytime soon. I'm kind of like oddly in a weird way, I'd have to look at the number and shit, but I'd like to almost do because I'd like to almost catch up to where I left off at the end of season 10 as far as, like, episode numbers. I'd like to see if I can go all the way Yeah. Like, double double up what I did.
Tim Binnall:So with that in mind, like, I'm probably, like, 200 shows. So we're, like, 4 years away from ever accomplishing that Because that show was, like, 33 episodes, then anywhere between 4 6 months off, and then another the next season. So, if I just do it in one long run, it'll be interesting to see. So kind of that's, like, the latest sort of idea of what what the future is. I'm generally content to just kinda, like, do what I'm doing, but, you know, because I'm already super busy with coast to coast, and, now then bringing in all of America back.
Tim Binnall:But I have I can't say really anything about either of these things, but I but for the first time, probably, like, maybe even ever. Like, I have a couple of, like, projects kind of, like, percolating, sort of like, new side ideas and and, concepts that are taking shape. But I'm like, okay. This is more than you know, over the years, it's always been like, well, maybe I'll do something like you know? Or I was I sort of came up with a lot of ideas, but I never sort of pursued any of them.
Tim Binnall:But there's a couple of ideas there's a couple of ideas now that I've been really fallen in love with and and have, just sort of, like, turning into project form, which is unlike anything I've done before. So that'll be good. That'll be fun. It'll be an interesting change of pace. But I can't say anything about that.
Tim Binnall:But I assume in 2025, you know I guess I if I was a hopeful person, if I was Hopewell there you go. Right? Yeah. I would, if I was super hopeful, I would say, like, maybe some maybe something beyond been all of America, the revival, and my work with Ghost Coast will be coming in 2025. Something some kind of a new thing.
Tim Binnall:So that's my hope.
AP Strange:Well, that sounds mysterious and awesome, and I look forward to finding out what it is. So There you go. Yeah. Alright. Well, thanks so much, Tim.
AP Strange:Thanks for chatting with me and bullshitting about weird crimes and and UFOs and and, Elvis impersonators and all that
Tim Binnall:stuff. Mystery houses.
AP Strange:Mystery houses. We've really been all over the map tonight. But, yeah, thanks so much for coming on, man. It's always a blast talking to you.
Tim Binnall:Oh, it was my pleasure, man. Thank you for having me on anytime. I'm always happy to chat with you. You know that.
AP Strange:Yeah. Alright. I hope that be