Dungeons & Disciples

Rogues are a people of the shadows. Everything from combat to thievery is done there, and it is the place where they will always thrive. In this episode, Tony and Josh discuss the class and overall mechanics of the Rogue Class, exploring their many useful creatures and how they contribute to an adventuring party. The boys also have a fun surprise at the end of the character description!

While rogues live for the thrill of the shadows, followers of Jesus… not so much. A piece of wisdom every Christian should live by is this: “No dark corners.” What does that statement mean? Tony and Josh deep dive into what exactly these dark corners are, why we tend to hide in the shadows, and how we begin to come out of those dark corners. If we are to ever grow in community and be the best version of ourselves, then we need to be vulnerable. We aren’t just called to unload our mess on everyone and everything around us. But Jesus is available - and eagerly waiting - for us to draw near to him, for He already knows what we are struggling with and what we need.

Dive in to another powerful and timely episode!
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What is Dungeons & Disciples?

A new D&D podcast from a Christian perspective.

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Hello, hello everyone and welcome back to Dungeons and Disciples. We are in a new location today. My name, by the way, is Tony Benda. Josh, will you explain where we are today?

Yes, we're in my home. I bought a new home a couple months ago.

It's so exciting. It's wonderful. And it's... I'm not going to say where we're recording in the home. Last time we recorded it, had an episode on our couches in my living room.

Okay, you can say we're recording in my bedroom.

True. But there's a table set up here. There is a table set up here.

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Yeah, we're not just sitting on the bed with like candles lit. in the bed like, you know, okay, but

The lighting is ambient and it's lovely. Well, there's overhead light with a fan, but then there's also the lovely lamp over there. I prefer lamp light over overhead light. Jamie kind of got me into that thing. No, we're good, but I'm just saying in general, when it comes to overhead lighting versus lamps, I much prefer the mood side lights, the non-overheads, if you will.

mean, we turn off the lights?

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is okay to tell our listeners that we're recording in my bedroom. Sure. Okay.

We got a table set up here right next to your desk and this is great. It's comfy. Set up the new equipment. where I went a little overboard with a... It's not even huge. I'll say so the Gator case is a it's a 3u Gator bag for those who understand the techie side of things.

It is

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Brought a humongous start. It's huge!

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Those that don't and they love Dungeons and Dragons, it's considered a medium sized creature.

Sure Gator. Anyway, I've got a Furman power conditioner sitting on the top. You always need a power conditioner, especially in New Bern, North Carolina where the power grid just sucks. I'm sorry if you work for the city of New Bern. dare you. Yeah, the power grid is terrible here. I have had to replace multiple electrical things when I was working at the church because... New Bern power grid. But then we got things on really good power conditioners like...

This is only like a hundred dollar Furman power conditioner. The ones we got were like 2400 a piece and we had, we got a few of them in a couple places. Cause when you have a board, like a soundboard that's like over 50 grand, you want to make sure it's, you know, power safe.

I just kind of threw up in my mouth just the amount of numbers you put for like five pieces of equipment.

Well, yeah, this so this is the cheap stuff not even cheap stuff. It's very good quality stuff. Thank you for min for your This is not a sponsored segment by the way, but I love Furman gear No, I mean, it's it's their least one of their least expensive lines of power conditioning But it's anyway to keep the episode moving like I told Josh before we started I've got a scarlet 18i 20. We're not in a time crunch. We're just being just being

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We are on a time.

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aware of the clock a little better if we're gonna record a double episode, which tonight I believe we are folks. But yeah, I've got a third generation Scarlett 18i20 in this 3u case, and then I've got a Sterling Audio 8-channel, or 8 headphone amplifier. So yeah, I couldn't quite get that thing running tonight, but that's fine because we're recording and it's doing what we need to and I only need the two headphones.

anyway which the scarlet has built into the front of it like I'm a dingus and you know I totally forgot that they were there so

just consider ourselves blessed because we have the ability to put this on media platform that people listen to. 100%. And Paul had paper. And prison.

Whoa, that hit my soul a little bit. I'm not gonna say I felt a little, what's the word I'm looking for? Attacked?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Paul had paper, folks. He delivered his letters. Yeah, he had paper in prison and who knows? He may have used his own blood to write these messages. I don't know. I can't say for certain, but it's... I would assume... Who knows? Scholars would know, I should say, because they're the ones that discovered the texts.

and prison.

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I would assume ink. That's a little, that's a little.

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I'm okay with my electronics. Paul, thank you for your devotion and sacrifice and amazing deliverance of the God.

out of this too. This is the Lord's work.

Yes, and for those real like audio junkies We're recording on a pair of electro voice re20s. They are my favorite broadcast microphones Yes, the sure SM7Bs are great. However, I just there's there's a mid tone That's too like too dark to me and these things just like project so much clearer. I don't know

You can hear your beard hairs scratching against the thing if you get too close. I'm not saying do it, but I'm just saying.

Little ASMR for you folks. That's Josh's beard, not mine.

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Dude, if you're gonna promote a product like that and you say

No, I know I know but yeah, so for those gear heads out there, that's the stuff we use I try to be as Consistent with our stuff as possible First of all huge shout out to Morgan Yeah, the lore Haven folks over there. He produces their show and I'm so grateful Morgan, you know shot me a text was like hey If you need help, let me know and I was like, Absolutely

I also give a shout to Tony because he actually asked for help.

Well, I usually don't relinquish things, but I love Morgan's work. he also I've heard his work and he's great. And he definitely stepped up and stepped in for me. And in a week where I was starting leading up to a new job, which is another thing.

Morgan, thank you again. You are a gem and a gentleman and a scholar and we're looking forward to the future projects Which we're gonna mention here not today, but when you guys are ready to announce we're to do so but yeah new job update I started working with Channel 9 News in Greenville, North Carolina. I am a Creative services producer is my official title, but that just means I produce commercials for the station, which is pretty awesome. That is cool

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Within my wheelhouse, I love shooting and editing videos, so that's like the thing that I could be looking for right now. I will say, it is a bit of a, I'll be vulnerable and transparent here on our platform. It is not financially what I thought I would want, but, and, and it's an extra 40 minute drive from what I was doing previously in a newborn.

more joyful.

100%. This is exactly where God has me in the season and it took a lot to get here and I'm very grateful for it and yeah, I just have to give the rest of that to God. you go. You know, we do this podcast for the fun of it. It's not a career, but we're grateful to have the time to do it. And the drive, that hour-long drive now to and from work each way.

just gives me plenty of time to ponder life. And I got time for devotional stuff. I got time for finding music and to make phone calls to people who I need to talk to. And it's a good time. So all that to be said, I'm happy with the new job. I've already produced a few commercials, which will be going out on the news station in the next month. As we're coming up to Christmas time, we'll be seeing those. But it's cool because it's portfolio building, it's networking. It's an industry that I never thought I would ever do.

I always okay so Frasier little side tangent real quick Frasier is my favorite sitcom of all time really I Okay between interesting between Frasier and Seinfeld Those two were coming out at the same time and like they were dominating the 90s and early 2000s so Frasier is my is my dirty pleasure when it comes to Yes, it's I mean, it's not it's not the I don't know. It's it's the not the nicest show

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Can you say that in a podcast?

for people to be watching all the time, considering how many girlfriends he has in that show and all that, just whatever. But it's so intellectually stimulating and so funny and so like the moral lessons, even with someone who's an immoral human in that show most of the time. I don't know, Frazier, just was, it's a smart, funny humor to me. I appreciated that over the sign. Josh is losing it, by the way.

got his hand on his face and he's losing it off mic. He... That's just... What? Isn't that the term for you? Yes.

It's my dirty pleasure

I don't

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Yeah, Frasier's my dirty pleasure. I have no problem with, you know, saying that. And I will watch that show at least all the way through once a year. There's 11 seasons and they're amazing. And I'll just put it on in the background just for some noise when I'm doing.

I can't say anything. Star Wars the Clone Wars is my dirty pleasure.

That's not even dirty. That's like, that's amazing. That's true. Like, Frasier is not the cleanest show. That's why I say dirty. It's just not and we know and whatever. There's, I don't know. It's okay. No.

Yeah.

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Fair enough.

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No one's judging. There's a multitude of people in the world right now saying, I feel the same way.

I know, it's the same for those who consider, you know, or that keep watching things like Ugly Betty or New Girl or...

New girl is so good. See? Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry.

Yes. So Frasier is my semi-okay dirty pleasure. We've all got our shows, folks. You know it's true. But yeah, so I, Frasier, I watched that in college with my buddy Jason Forby. We used to stay up till like, well, not stay up, I should say. We were old young people where, I know. So when I was at Northern Illinois University, my second year there, we rented a house and there were five guys living in this house and it was wonderful.

And Forby, Jason, we call him Forby. He was his last name. He had a dog named Olive that I went with him to the shelter and we picked her up one day. And she was like our amazing house pet and acapella group mascot. yeah, I was in an acapella Yes. Represent. Anyway, so Forby and I used to order a large Vinny's pizza. We lived three doors down from the best pizza place in DeKalb, Illinois. And so we each used to order a large pizza.

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Yes, the husky hunks.

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And we used to just smash those pizzas and watch Frasier until we passed out on the couch, Olive in the middle of us, and then we'd wake up at like two or three in the morning and then go to our respective rooms and it was just like, Frasier's still rolling. Hey, you what? For me, I miss you. You're probably never gonna hear this, but I love you, bro. Anyway. I know, you know, I'll send it to him sometime. Be like, hey, check out our podcast. Love you, miss you. It's true. And I miss Olive.

You don't know what the Lord will do.

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More you, but Olive's great too. Anyway, I ranted for long enough. Josh has a thing for us tonight.

What do mean I have a thing? You-

Who got roll trays and

no, no brother. Why would you spoil that right now?

I mean, we've got roll trays, that's all I'm saying. This is a D &D podcast.

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Okay, yeah, that's true. But then now I just gave a subliminal... Dang it.

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I'm all out of say now.

Clone Wars.

No, not Clone Wars. Rogue! That's what we're talking about. Don't worry, what we got in store is coming up soon, Tony. Tony's anxious because I have to put him on the spot. But he's gonna be okay.

I believe that.

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each new episode. I should just like accept my fate now.

I don't understand why you haven't, we've been doing this for over a year.

I don't know. just, part of me thought that this would not be an ongoing bit, but it's a bit and I guess we're sticking with it.

We've stuck around this long, We've only gotten more listeners because of this, because of who we are. I'm not gonna... No, it's who the Lord is. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. That is true. It is not because of our own ability. It is because of how the Lord has...

It's

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Listen, if it was us, Yomoda signed off so long ago. Who are these goobers?

They know like, my god.

In all seriousness, Tony, I think we should go ahead and open our class discussion with Rogues. We are almost done. We're getting so close to the end.

Yes.

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We are and it's gonna be great and yeah.

excited. Tony, do you want to go ahead and read our class description for Rogue?

Sure. All right, Rogues. Turning in our wonderful player handbook to whatever digital page I'm on, because I'm reading it online. Thank you, D &D Beyond, not sponsored. Rogues rely on cunning, stealth, and their foes' vulnerabilities to get the upper hand in any situation. They have a knack for finding the solution to just about any problem. A few even learn magical tricks to supplement their other abilities. Many Rogues focus on stealth and deception.

while others refine skills that help them in a dungeon environment such as climbing, finding, and disarming traps and opening locks. In combat, rogues prioritize subtle strikes over brute strength. They'd rather make one precise strike than wear an opponent down with a barrage of blows. Some rogues begin their careers as criminals while others use their cunning to fight crime. Whatever rogue's relation to the law, no common criminal or officer of the law can match the subtle brilliance of the greatest rogues.

outstanding.

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And it's true, rogues are great.

I have yet to play one. I need to. Everyone says they're like, they're the OG of D &D. Sneak attack. Sneak attack. It's a trap.

Thanks Admiral. Becoming a rogue as a level one character you gain all the traits in the court rogue traits table you see that in the book or online on D &D Beyond in the player's handbook or the free resources as well that they supply. Do you want start with level one expertise? Yes.

I do So level one expertise you gain expertise in two of your skill proficiencies of your choice for rogues slide-up hand and stealth are recommended if you have proficiency in them obviously you can go through all your proficiencies and if you wanted to choose anything else in particular you can however being a rogue wink wink slide-up hand and stealth are probably going to be some of your best options especially if you want to play the character to the best of the ability. Yep

And just know at rogue level six, you gain expertise in two more of your skill proficiencies of your choice. I don't know if you can double tap on the same two proficiencies.

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I would say DM's discretion. Most of the time I think that the standard or the default is typically no.

I think the default is no, especially if you're using digital because you can't add more modifier to the modifier.

So that's why. simplifies everything. Right. In terms of character creation. Right.

But continuing on through that, level 1 you do gain a couple more things, is really nice. It seems like level 1 is obviously a really good starting point, but just get a lot of cool stuff out of it. One of those being sneak attack. You know how to strike subtly and exploit a foe's distraction. Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack roll if you have advantage on the roll and the attack uses a finesse or ranged weapon.

The extra attack's damage is the same type as the weapon's type. You don't need advantage on the attack roll if at least one of your allies is within five feet of the target. The ally doesn't have the incapacitated condition and you don't have disadvantage on the attack roll. And I've heard that quite commonly is why rogues stay within five feet of someone, a good majority. They just hug one person pretty much.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Level 1 Thieves Can't, you picked up various languages in the communities where you plied through your roguish talents. You know Thieves Can't and one other language of your choice, which you choose from the language tables chapter 2. So, Thieves Can't, correct me if Tony, is just a language then. Yeah. Right?

One might say dialect, but yes.

Sorry.

Now, Thieves Can't is, yeah, they consider that a language.

Okay, and then level one, mastery. Pretty simple, your training with weapons allows you to use mastery properties of two kinds of weapons of your choice, which you have proficiencies such as daggers and shortbows. What I like about the digital platforms is that when you click on whatever weapon you use, if you take mastery and such a thing, it'll give you an outline of what it does with that mastery. Fairly new concept if I remember correctly. Just in general.

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For D &D Beyond? I don't know. I recall. I have not played a rogue on D &D Beyond.

Awfully. Could be wrong.

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I think just weapon masteries in general. I could be totally wrong.

I see. I don't know. Good question. We'll have to ask them someday. Again, not sponsored.

Drop a Drop anything. Could be wrong.

Yeah, if you guys know the answer to that, please reach out, let us know.

They're like, no, you guys are the professionals. That's why I listen to you. Anyway, level two, also get, rather, I should say at level two, you gain cunning action. Your quick thinking and agility allow you to move and act quickly. On your turn, you can take one of the following actions as a bonus action, dash, disengage, or.

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Let's go. That is sweet. Those are fun things

Those are fun things. All right, Tony, why you hit levels three through five for

Continuing on with level three, Rogue Subclass. You gain a Rogue Subclass of your choice. The Arcane Trickster, classic, Assassin, Soulknife, and Thief subclasses are detailed after this class description. A subclass is a specialization that grants you features at certain Rogue levels. For the rest of your career, you gain each of your subclasses features that are of your Rogue level or lower. We're going to be going through that.

And we'll detail that here in just a minute.

At level three as well you get steady aim as a bonus action you give yourself advantage on your next attack roll on the current turn You can use this feature only if you haven't moved during this turn and after you use it your speed is zero until the end of current turn Interesting. That's a cool feature. That is cool level for ability score improvement You gain the ability score improvement feature see chapter five or another feat of a choice for which you qualify You gain this feature again at rogue levels 8 10 12 and 16

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Level 4 is pretty classic when it comes to just standard ability score improvements or feats.

Indeed. Level 5, you gain Cunning Strike. You've developed cutting ways to use your Sneak Attack. When you deal Sneak Attack damage, you can add one of the following Cunning Strike effects. Each effect has a die cost, which is the number of Sneak Attack damage dice you must forgo to add to the effect. You remove the die before rolling, and the effect occurs immediately after the attack's damage is dealt. For example, if you add the Poison effect, remove 1d6 from the Sneak Attack's damage before rolling.

If a cutting strike effect requires a saving throw, the DC equals 8 plus your dex modifier and proficiency bonus. Poison. Cost is 1d6. You add a toxin to your strike, forcing the target to make a constitution saving throw. On a failed save, the target has the poisoned condition for one minute. At the end of each of its turns, the poisoned target repeats the save, ending the effect on itself on a success. To use this effect, you must have a Poisoner's Kit on your person.

trip cost is 1d6 if the target is larger smaller it must succeed on a next saving throw or have the prone condition which is a fun one knocking people down makes them use half their movement to stand and attacks on them give you advantage so that's a cool thing to do so tripping is only in the game tripping is fun withdraw immediately after the attack you move up to half your speed without provoking

opportunity attacks. That's a cool thing.

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I like that because opportunity attacks suck.

Yes they do. They could really like ruin your day.

They can make or break some things too.

Truly. And then one more thing for level five. We have the Uncanny Dodge. When an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack roll, you can take a reaction to halve the attack's damage against you, rounded down. Cool things. Cool, cool, cool things.

Just cool things. Alright, so we did talk about the rogue subclasses which you do need to go over. Yeet. The first one will be as you get to level 3 to pick a subclass. Your first choice can be an Arcane Trickster. Some rogues enhance their fine-honed skills of stealth and agility with spells, learning magical tricks to aid them in their trade. Some Arcane Tricksters use their talents as pickpockets and burglars, while others are pranksters. Level 3 Spellcasting.

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You've learned to cast spells. See chapter seven for the rules on spell casting in your book. The information though below details how you can use those rules as an arcane trickster. When it comes to cantrips, you know three cantrips automatically. Mage Hand and two other cantrips of your choice from the wizard's spell list. Keep that in mind from the wizard's spell list. They do recommend Mind Sliver and Minor Illusion. Recommended for that, but again, your choice.

When you reach rogue level 10 you learn another wizard cantrip of your choice Just because I will say this just because you're a spell caster and unless I'm wrong provided what the book is saying you're not you're What am I trying to say you're acquiring the ability to spell cast you're not a natural born spell caster so some spell casters can Like swap out different spells in cantrips like after each long rest

It does not look like if you become an arcane trickster that you can do that. So just be very mindful when you pick these cantrips, they're essentially locked in until you gain a rogue level. Right? So it's not based on long rest. It's based on level gain. So just keep that in mind. And with that, when you reach rogue level 10, you learn another wizard cantrip of your choice. So it does keep going up as well. And there's a little table as you continue to scroll through that just to kind of give you

the list, like rogue level three, you'll have three prepared spells, two of them are first level, wizard, cantrip, and then it kind of just details as you go through levels.

The next rogue subclass is Assassin. You practice the Grim Art of Death. An assassin's training focuses on using stealth, poison, and disguise to eliminate foes with deadly efficiency. While some rogues who follow this path are hired killers, spies, or bounty hunters, the capability of the subclass are equally useful for adventurers facing a variety of monstrous enemies. Level 3, Assassinate. You're adept at ambushing a target, granting you the following benefits. Initiative. You have advantage on initiative roles.

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No

Surprising Strikes. During the first round of each combat you have advantage on attack rolls against any creature that hasn't taken a turn. Also, cool. So that means like if your initiative is above someone else's initiative, an enemy combatant so to speak, you have advantage on attack rolls. That's pretty great. If your sneak attack hits any target during that round, the target takes extra damage of the weapon type equal to your rogue level.

okay.

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That is cool.

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level three assassin's tools, you get a disguise kit and a poisonous kit and you have proficiency with it.

Nice, a disguise kit. I like that.

It's not just a mustache you glue on your face either. I mean maybe.

Yes could if you wanted it to be. mean if you roll high enough it could... They won't know who you are.

Okay, so real quick side note in this latest season of Dimension 20, Zack Oyama had a disguised kit with him and he put on a bald cap like it wasn't obviously in it was in game his character had a bald cap and that apparently totally just changed his He was able to deceive people just by putting on a bald cap Go watch Cloudward Ho folks. It's fantastic storytelling.

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That is incre-

great utilization.

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Love you, bro.

Third subclass is Soul Knife. A Soul Knife strikes... come on. Sorry, continue. Come on, now get it!

nice. Get in. Get co-

I was, yeah. What movie was that? Blues Brothers? Yeah. Anyway, sorry.

I'm sorry, was a great thing. A soul knife strikes with the mind, cutting through barriers both physical and psychic. These rogues discover psionic powers within themselves and channel it to do their roguish work. As a soul knife, your psionic abilities might have haunted you since childhood, revealing their full potential only as you experienced the stress of adventure. Or you might have sought out an order of psychic adepts and spent years learning how to manifest your power.

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At level three, you get psionic power. You harbor a wellspring of psiotic energy within yourself. It is represented by your psionic energy dice, which fuels certain powers you have from this subclass. The Soulknife energy dice table shows the number of these dice you have when you reach certain levels, and the table shows the dice size. So if you scroll down in the book, whether it's digital or just kind of look in the book, it'll give you the dice size. looks like, it kind of goes incremental in levels by odd numbers.

It continues on to say, any features in the subclass that use psionic energy die use only the dice from this subclass. Some of your powers expend a psionic energy die and specified in a powers description, and you can't use a power if it requires you to use a die when your psionic energy die are all expended. You regain one of your expended energy die, psionic energy die dice when you finish a short rest, and you regain all of them when you finish a long rest.

Psy Bolstered Knack an ability. If you fail an ability check using a skill or a tool with which you have proficiency, you can roll one psionic energy die and add the number of the roll to the check, potentially turning the failure into a success. The die is expended only if the roll then succeeds. That can be very helpful. And last one for this one in particular is Psychic Whispers. You can establish telepathic communication between yourself and others.

That could be very

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So cool! As a magic action, choose one or more creatures you can see up to a number of creatures equal to your proficiency bonus and then roll one psionic energy die. For a number of hours equal to the number rolled, the chosen creatures can speak telepathically with you and you can speak telepathically with them. To send or receive a message, which does not require an action, you and the other creature must be within one mile of each other. That's far!

A creature can end the telepathic connection at any time, which also does not require an action.

Just for those out there, a mile is 5,280 feet, so that's quite a few hex squares. That is, that's, Hexes or squares on the That's a lot. Keep that in mind, DMs who try to use that against their players. No, I'm kidding, kidding. Or players against their DMs. One mile, 5,280 feet.

Level 3 also gets you Psychic Blades. You can manifest Shimmering Blades of Psychic Energy. When you take the attack action or make an opportunity attack, you can manifest a Psychic Blade in your free hand and make the attack with that blade. The Magic Blade has the following traits. It is simple melee weapon. is a 1d6 Psychic damage plus the ability modifier used for the attack roll. It is a Finesse or Throne weapon. And your mastery is Vex.

The blade vanishes immediately after it hits or misses its target and it leaves no mark if it deals damage. Interesting. After you attack with the blade on your turn, you can make a melee or ranged attack with a second psychic blade as a bonus action on the same turn if your other hand is free to create it. The damage of this die of the bonus attack is 1d4 instead of 1d6.

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And then Tony, our last one for subclass is thief.

Thief. Thief. Hunt for treasure as a classic adventurer. A mix of burglar, treasure hunter, and explorer, you are the epitome of an adventurer. In addition to improving your agility and stealth, you gain abilities useful for delving into ruins and getting a maximum benefit from the magic items you find there. Level three, Fast Hands. As a bonus action, can do one of the following. Sleight of hand, make a dex check to pick a lock or disarm a trap with the Thief's Tool.

or to pick a pocket. Use an object. Take the utilize action or take the magic action to use a magic item that requires that action. Level three as well, second story work. You've trained to get into especially hard to reach places, granting you these benefits. Climber, you gain a climb speed equal to your speed. Jumper, you can determine your jump distance using your decks rather than your strength. That's cool.

It is cool, yes.

And that wraps it for the Thief portion. Sweet. All right, who's ready to play Rogue? Actually, I think I truly think I am.

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You are a

You actually, you actually are ready. No, no, I mean like literally you're gonna play a rogue right now. Because that's tonight's skit.

Why?

Why?

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I should have seen this coming. I did, actually.

You should've.

Alright, so you ready? So, so, huh?

But we got our roll trays out.

speaker-1 (31:12.638)
We'll sorry.

yes, so you're ready? So right off the spot, right now, I'm gonna read a scenario. You are playing a rogue, Tony. Remember, you're playing a rogue. You've just internalized it, you've just read it. Here we go. Bam. The moonlight filters through the stained glass windows of the Duke's manor, casting fractured colors across the marble floor. Somewhere inside this gilded estate lies your prize, the silver chalice of Valor, a relic said to shimmer with divine light when held by the worthy.

or fetch a fortune in the black markets of Galdor. You slip past the outer guards and silence the hounds. Only one obstacle remains, the Grand Hall. In it, a display pedestal holds the chalice beneath a web of thin glimmering wires, a trap waiting for a fool's touch. You crouch in the shadows, hearts steady, tools ready. The sound of armored footsteps echoes down the corridor behind you. You have seconds to act. What do you do, rogue?

attempt to disarm the trap and claim it for chalice before you're caught? What are you trying to do?

I would probably try to Try to hide so I can gain opportunity to sneak attack if I need to. Or wait for them to pass. Like, I've got options, yeah.

speaker-0 (32:20.088)
Try to hide.

speaker-0 (32:25.093)
you're going to try to attack the

speaker-0 (32:29.8)
options well okay roll for stuff

speaker-0 (32:34.988)
I will give you a pl-

I'm not gonna help on that one. I knock over the armor unintentionally and can I can I just

You rock!

speaker-0 (32:47.15)
Okay, they carry the story. Okay, you rolled a one, right? Yeah. Okay. What are you trying to hide behind?

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I was gonna try to hide behind a suit of armor or something. I'm assuming I just knocked it down by accident.

We want to try to hide behind the pseudo-armor.

speaker-0 (33:00.226)
At a nat 1, I'm gonna say that the guards see something in the shadows, they see something, but they're not quite sure what. Well, actually, before I say that, what race would you be playing?

What

I don't know. I'll be a Dragonborn rogue.

Okay, they see something very abnormal and they say, hey, what are you trying to do?

Stop there! I was just polishing this armor.

speaker-0 (33:25.407)
you're gonna respond. You're not gonna try to hide still?

I mean, I'll use my deception at that point.

But they look at you and they say, who are you?

that I sneak attack. I'm like crazy. Seven with whatever my modifier would be. What would that be? You're very generous. A 13.

I'll give you a plus six, a 13, okay. I don't even know, I didn't expect that.

speaker-1 (33:55.534)
Well, expect the unexpected when you throw me on this-

I'm sorry, sorry, I need to... What is there? What would your weapons be?

I'd probably have a dagger out.

Or if I was Etsy Auditory, I'd have the Hidden Blade.

Okay, uh, okay, so I'm gonna say that hits for the sake of things. Great. I'll give you a 1d4 and a 1d6. B-bitch? Yes.

speaker-1 (34:24.323)
four damage.

Euro with a 1T4 to 1T

I got a two and a two brother

Okay, I'm gonna say for the sake of argument they were unexpected and you just able to

I'll use my trip. Can I use my trip? Let's change it up. I'm gonna use a trip action. Great. I'm gonna use my trip action. And trip him. And then I'm gonna grab the thing and run.

speaker-0 (34:52.846)
You want to grab it and run. Okay. So I'm going to have. Okay. Cool. So you trip him. I'll say you trip him success. He is now, he is now prone. There was just this one guard and you try to grab. I'm going to have you roll a D 20 as you grab this, uh, this chalice. 19 on the die. Perfect. Somehow as you with a 19 on the die.

Folks, this is great D &D, by the way.

speaker-1 (35:03.728)
He's not prone.

speaker-1 (35:14.222)
19 on the deck.

speaker-0 (35:23.586)
professional rogue with slightly something going wrong. I'm not going to say you're silent, but you're smooth and surgical with how you grab observing this thing. The wires fall limp as you pluck the chalice from its stand. Now I'm going to, as you grab this chalice and you've tripped him, I will allow you to roll for stealth.

I'm wall kick over his body. I'm run over his body. I'm gonna run over the wall over his body.

You're gonna do what now?

Okay, I'm gonna say he's prone face down and you grab with with speed so I'm gonna have you roll Actually

He's face down, I as well just run on top of his body.

speaker-0 (36:01.366)
You can and then I'll have you roll for stealth because he's gonna attempt to get up

A 17 on the die. I'm gonna say you you run over his body and kind of like jolts a little bit

What is that another 2D? Let's just call it another point of damage.

Okay, one point of damage. I'm gonna say... He's a weak guard. I mean, you tripped him. He may have hit his head one damage. I'm gonna say... You knocked him out. Great! Just trying to go for his head. And you slipped into the shadows and you somehow managed to get this chalice. I'm gonna give... We're gonna do one more. Alright, you ready? Alright, here we go. Deep beneath the old cathedral lies the Whispering Vault, a chamber sealed for centuries.

speaker-1 (36:20.912)
crushes ribcage

speaker-1 (36:40.855)
Sure.

speaker-0 (36:48.546)
said to contain the lost tithe of the Shadow Saints. You followed rumors, deciphered ancient codes, and bribed a few questionable archivists to find it. Now you stand before a heavy iron door, its surface carved with thousand tiny faces, each whispering words you can almost understand. The air tastes like dust and forgotten prayers. In the torchlight you spot the locking mechanism, five shifting rings, each etched with strange runes. You can hear something moving on the other side.

Could be treasure, could be worse. What do do?

There's five rings.

There is five shifting rings, each etched with strange runes on it.

go examine the runes.

speaker-0 (37:32.822)
Okay, with these runes, you're not really getting a sense of that they're incredibly significant.

Okay, do I? I'll try to pull one of the rings in. So you want in the wall? Sure.

So you want to try to pick it? Okay. So go ahead and roll for, yeah, go ahead and roll for Sly Hand.

What is that slide?

speaker-1 (38:00.811)
That would be a nat 20.

A Nat 20, the runes shimmer as your picks dance across them. The whispers stop, then form a single voice that says, one of us. The vault opens willingly, revealing not only treasure, but a hidden passage meant only for thieves of legend.

I feel so honored to be a Thief of Legend.

I'm glad you rolled a nat 20 because it went so much better than that previous scenario. You went from a nat 1 to nat 20! That's incredible.

100 % I concur. game. Just kidding. No, I'm just saying D &D as a whole is a stupid game. I'm kidding. Kidding.

speaker-0 (38:37.593)
That was fun, I enjoyed that though.

speaker-0 (38:43.69)
I hope you are because we do a whole podcast about it. It's actually though, Tony, I'm kind of glad we did that scenario though, because it really ties into our biblical application for tonight. How so? It's because there's a pretty important topic that I've been meditating on. It comes into a saying that I heard when I was, I wouldn't call it a master class. When I was with the

Yeah, it's

speaker-0 (39:13.294)
when I was doing a devotional with a couple friends. And it was this, it's this terminal, it's this term that we heard and that had to discuss and I had to ponder through it. The pastor said, no dark corners.

no dark corners. That's kind of vague when just bringing up that topic. Let me elaborate further. Yes. In this particular context for that devotional, we were talking about being church leaders and we were talking about that as we become church leaders that there is a place for vulnerability and there's a place where a confession of sins and a honest assessment of where you are mentally

placed into a huge factor, especially how you walk in ministry, as you walk in your job, and even just serving the Lord about being completely vulnerable. And the terminology, no dark corners, came from a place of saying,

No matter what you walk through, no matter what you do, don't put the things that are bothering you or don't put the things that are impacting your heart into a dark corner. And biblically, as I started to ponder this, found standing on this biblically, which is always important, it says in Mark chapter four, verses 21 through 23, Jesus said to them, do you bring in a lamp?

to put it under a bowl or a bed? Instead, don't you put it on its stand? For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear.

speaker-1 (40:59.256)
This little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine True! It's-

But it's true. It's important that we don't have dark, or yeah, sorry. It's important that we don't have dark corners.

Agreed.

But the problem is that

speaker-0 (41:25.194)
We're gonna get a little sensitive with this when that's okay. There is a stigma, I think, throughout the body of Christ that I don't even know how to phrase it. It can be really sensitive. Let's just kind of go for it. There can be a stigma that tells you that you can talk about the things you're going through, but some things are a little too much or some things are a little too crazy.

We're both sensitive boys.

speaker-0 (41:54.472)
And I do believe that there's ways to communicate certain things. I think there's particular people you should go to with the things that you're dealing with, right? But I think that's not the stigma we're talking about. I think the stigma that we're talking about is that

I don't want to discuss the dark thing I'm going through because someone's going to look at me differently. I don't want to talk about the dark things that I'm going through because I feel like I'm going to be rejected at my church or my family or my life. I don't want to talk about the dark things that I'm going through because it's already going so, so well that if I bring this up, it's going to get worse. So why would I talk about it when things are going well? You know, that's just a couple of scenarios.

100%.

speaker-1 (42:42.754)
Yeah.

speaker-0 (42:47.234)
But that's not the answer.

That's not what Jesus says is the answer. All right, we'll dive into that in a second, but Tony, why do you think there's this stigma?

brother. That's a great question.

It's important to- Rogues are all about dark corners. They thrive in dark corners. And I think sometimes Christians are trying to thrive in darkness and that's not the point of our existence.

Correct. think there's darkness that's self-inflicted and I think there's darkness that is circumstantial that people just feel stuck in. there's dark corners that we try to live in when we're doing things our own way and we are intentionally putting ourselves in these dark corners. that's another topic I think for another time. There's grace for the Christian but we also have to strive to not

speaker-1 (43:45.486)
live in our sin. I think where I think we're going with this tonight is talking about like more circumstantial things like dark and heavy things that we're feeling that are not the most comfortable things to be brought to light, so to speak. Thoughts of, I don't know, I'm just thinking through, I don't know, like dark things. Like I'll even say the first one that comes to mind, suicide.

Yeah, that was the first thing on my mind.

And I say that because recently friends of ours, one of their kids was just struggling with, I'm assuming depression. I haven't fully fleshed it out yet, but, and I may never know the story, that's okay. But found out that the oldest was struggling with this topic. so that like,

that hit me a little bit hard because we know this family very well. Just super close and their hurts are our hurts. that type of thing. And ours are theirs. And so we share a lot together. So that was a very interesting thing to chat through. More to feel, I guess. I obviously have no idea how that feels from a parent standpoint.

I also don't know how this person was feeling at the time. But it's funny that we say dark places because after I heard the news, there was a song that I wanted to start writing that came to mind. And the first line is, don't talk about the dark places. And the perspective of the song is, why don't we talk about these stigmas in church? And you kind of hit it right on the money with where I was going with that. And these things are stigmas. People are afraid to talk about

speaker-1 (45:43.35)
difficult topics for fear of, you know, weird looks or that guilt or that shame of something that they're holding on to. And that's just something that we should never as Christians hold on to is that shame and that, yeah, I guess shame. Shame is a huge topic in today's church because that's like, don't know, shame culture today is huge. That's a big old topic right there.

I think, it's also hard because we have friends that are going through also really difficult, not going through them personally, but having to mentor others in very difficult situations. I think one of the biggest things that I'm just reflecting on watching that in them and just having conversations with them is that I think sometimes we know that the quote-unquote Christian answer is, the Bible clearly outlines that sin is sin.

Yeah.

Whether you murdered someone or stole a pack of gum, disobeying God is outright bad, no matter what you do. But I think as people we say, they're doing is not like, it's sin, but it's not that bad. But what this person did, that's horrific. That is sin. That is cast out worthy.

speaker-0 (47:07.446)
It's hard because to me, people view the church as a place that you need to come to already be healthy when it's the exact opposite.

Yeah. There's the phrase that we should be like a hospital, know, helping fix people, fixing the broken as opposed to a, like we're supposed to be triage for the world.

Right. The non-believers should come into the church and feel as if it's a place filled with nurses and doctors. Feel welcome. Like, hi, we're glad you're here and anything you're going through, we're here to listen. We're here to help. We're here to walk you through this. don't walk into a, I mean, well, I'm not going to say that necessarily because you do walk into a hospital and feel left out.

Yeah, feel welcome.

speaker-0 (48:02.028)
I'm not going to, you know, some hospitals are better than others. That's not the point of the conversation. A normal hospital that you should walk into, you should walk in and say, I'm having this problem. I need help and be treated for that. You know, but there's even this thing about that. People don't want to to the hospitals for X, and Z, you know,

help.

speaker-1 (48:19.278)
They feel like they could live with whatever chronic pain. They feel like they could live with whatever mild discomfort that like is going on in their life when the mild discomfort could be your appendix is about to burst.

But my question then is like where does that come from? You know, you know what you know, I mean like why are they not going they're not just going because they really truly believe they can live with it, you know

Yeah, I think it's a couple of things I think again, it's that shame culture, but I also think it's a fear to be vulnerable. I think it's Yeah, people people are afraid to be vulnerable with each other nowadays yet. This is the most I Don't know. It's weird to me because this is the most like therapy generation were were in in human history like

It's because that- it's because they've hidden so much.

100 % like we're not afraid to talk about our feelings with you know therapists and counselors and all these people But we're afraid to be vulnerable with each other

speaker-0 (49:16.266)
okay, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's kind of my thought with it. There are a lot of people that are exceptions to that, sure. There are people who wear their hearts on their sleeves. However, people fear vulnerability. And especially in a church, because again, they're gonna get those looks, they're gonna get those like, they're going through that? Well, we're better than that. So we're not gonna, whatever with, you know, like that whole concept of...

One p like one group of people could feel better than someone else because they're not going through what that person's going through

It's you can say, you know, kind of like exactly what you mentioned. Like, we're better than that. But there's also the stigma of, or not the stigma, there's also the action of, I'm so sorry to hear that. And then they don't help at all because they don't know how. Yeah. gosh. Bless your heart. That's crazy. Like I'll pray for you. That's, but, see that stuff bothers me too is because

Yeah.

speaker-1 (50:15.32)
Goodness, last...

speaker-0 (50:24.216)
People can see through that. Dude, people that live in the dark can see deception. Yeah. I'm telling you, people that, when, someone that lives in the dark can see that when you're trying to do something dark.

Yeah.

speaker-1 (50:33.486)
Thanks

speaker-0 (50:42.094)
That hit people that are living in the dark can see you trying to do something dark to them because they know it that's just if they've lived in that place they're going to know it but what they also will see but this is the thing that's going to change the game people that live in the dark when you bring the presence of light it will overwhelm their darkness because that's what light is right darkness in itself is like not a thing like

Yes it does.

speaker-1 (50:50.829)
Yep.

speaker-1 (51:08.331)
Yep.

speaker-0 (51:14.444)
The scientific concept of darkness is the way it is defined is literally just the absence of light. It's not darkness doesn't have its own definition or like its own like, I don't even know what you would describe that as, but like all darkness is, is the absence of light. When light can be scientifically described as whatever, like I don't really know what off the top of my head, but like light can be defined.

Yep.

speaker-1 (51:32.877)
Yeah.

speaker-0 (51:42.402)
darkness is simply just the absence of where light isn't.

Yeah, that's an interesting way to describe something. What are other things in the world that are described by the absence of the thing that they, the antithesis?

of the antithesis of so man what is it wet so wetness or no no no so so the human so like humans can't humans don't know what wetness is

So wet.

Can water be wet? Really?

speaker-1 (52:13.55)
Correct, is water really wet?

Right. Is water really wet? Like human

Do we when we go in a pool actually come out wet or? I don't know.

So you do come out with water on you, but the human receptors, you do not have human receptors to define wetness. It is just the brain's interpretation of what wetness actually is, but the receptors don't actually exist. I actually have something.

suffering barely over our bodies.

speaker-1 (52:44.238)
My tea is wet. Or is it?

I would just say like, I don't know. I don't really know that from a scientific standpoint. But I mean, we get the concept, right? Yes. But that's the thing that what Jesus was teaching is like, he's almost like in Mark four, he's almost like telling them like, you have a light within you? Like, why are you hiding?

Yep.

Like, why are you hiding that light? It's meant to be put on a stand.

And that's crazy part here is when I look at the scripture, is it saying there is a light that lives in you, why are you hiding it? But then gets to the soul saying whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. whatever you're like, he's like, there's a light that lives within you, but the only reason you're not letting that light shine is because you're concealing something. But that's the problem.

speaker-0 (53:54.37)
This biblical mandate is not being followed by believers of Jesus, which I literally want to throw up saying that statement.

Christians are not following the biblical mandate. Shocker.

speaker-0 (54:13.486)
crazy crazy thoughts but that but see that's what I'm learning is that it's like but Jesus saw it too Jesus is like what are y'all doing like what like what is happening here

Crazy thoughts.

speaker-1 (54:23.747)
Yeah.

speaker-0 (54:33.39)
I was reading today, just in my quiet time, and I was actually reading Luke chapter 12, about the parable of the ten virgins. Right? And the, you know, a lot of people know it. Ten virgins came out. Five had, they all had lamps. Five had extra oil for the lamps. Five did not. All fell asleep waiting for the bridegroom. The bridegroom comes, they wake up, they all celebrate that the bridegroom's here. They're burning their lamps.

and then the other five, the five that didn't bring extra oil were like, we don't have oil. Look to the five that did and they say, give me the oil, give me some of your oil. And he's like, no, like go to town and go get something and come back.

We're not gonna have enough for

We're not gonna have enough for everyone. Like we don't have enough. They left to get oil. They got some, they came back and they realized that the door was open to the people standing there prepared. They went in and then Jesus closed the door. They knock and they say, hey, like Jesus let us in or Lord let us in. He says, no, I don't know you. He said, I don't know.

Yep.

speaker-0 (55:42.05)
But that's those kinds of stories should scare me because all we're waiting for the bridegroom and not all went in with the bridegroom. And I don't mean to like bring horror or like fear. That's not my goal. But what this is, is that the longer I actually wrote it down here, we are the only people that prevent ourselves from healing or releasing what aches our hearts.

Yeah.

speaker-0 (56:10.55)
And the longer we hold onto that, the longer we're just living. We're just avoiding the peace and the blessing and the goodness of God that is ready to come upon our life. We're just avoiding it. It's like, I, I just want to say, listen, this is not to discredit that there's real trauma, that there's hurt these real things. I'm not saying that, like, I'm not discrediting those things.

Yeah.

speaker-1 (56:33.9)
Real Harts.

speaker-0 (56:39.65)
but also sometimes I feel like we're just not talking about it. We're just like, no, no, I'm good. Nothing's wrong. I don't need to talk about it. I'm, my gosh, that statement. I'm fine. I'm fine. That could.

Fine.

speaker-1 (56:59.799)
Hey, how y'all doing? I'm fine. But that- Well.

Seriously, that statement almost ruined my marriage. That statement almost killed seven years of work in my marriage. And I'm just being vulnerable, right? That kind of mentality hiding in a dark corner almost killed my entire marriage. And I have two kids with my wife. You know, that's, but that's the problem. Staying in our dark corners only prevents us from moving forward towards promised places. It's like,

Jesus says I have something for you. There's things waiting for you, but we're acting like we're acting like Israelite saying no I'm just gonna go back to Egypt. I'm good Like no, it's it was better there and it's like no that was actually prison Okay That place sucked

Yup.

but you are pretending it's fine now because you're in a different season, you're in a different wilderness, but you think that place was great. Just because Jesus is going to take you to a different wilderness does not mean it's bad. It's me. Listen to our last episode. It means that he's trying to have you grow in dependence on him.

speaker-0 (58:14.21)
These dark corners were never meant for you. Jesus is asking you.

to let go of that in his hands, to put that lamp on a lamp stand and say, and go to someone you trust, to go to someone that loves you, build a relationship with someone, someone that you can walk up to and say, listen, I need to tell you this. It is not going to be easy. It is not going to be great, but I need to tell you this. And then,

Believers, followers of Jesus, we live out Galatians chapter 6 verse 2. Carry each other's burdens and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

That's the mandate. One, don't hide in dark corners. Isolation was never the answer.

That's right.

speaker-0 (59:17.378)
When the enemy drove Adam and Eve to isolation, they hid from God and God went looking for them. God wants to be with you. God wants to tend to you. God wants to heal. God wants to provide healing to you. We can't hide in those dark corners anymore and hear us. We love you. We don't fully understand what you're going through. We will maybe never understand what you're going through, but you were never called to walk in that alone.

is the enemy's plot to put you in isolation. It is the enemy's ploy to keep your light not shining because the enemy knows that when your light shines, when you let it go, when you process through it, when you confess those sins, if there are any there, that when your light, when the lamp comes onto the stand and shines, it will shine in the whole room because the enemy knows Jeremiah chapter 29.

For he knows the plans that he has for you, declares the Lord, plans for you to prosper. And the enemy sees that. And then for us believers, sin is sin.

People are gonna mess up.

People suck! That is what it is! People suck and people go through stuff! People do not do good things! I'm sorry if this is like a brand new revelation, but people don't do good things all the time! I'm sorry, but like, the proper thing to do... when you don't know what to do about it is pay! Listen to them!

speaker-1 (01:00:35.694)
People do so.

speaker-1 (01:00:46.99)
reach.

speaker-1 (01:00:52.418)
ooo

speaker-1 (01:00:58.647)
Yeah.

If someone confesses to you something, don't run away.

Listen You don't have to have the words Just pray listen. I've I've heard some ugly stuff in the church y'all some ugly stuff ugly Stuff I just it makes me sick thinking about

Yep.

speaker-0 (01:01:28.054)
And honestly, there are things that are out of my control. When it comes to people's sins.

Look, sins have consequences. But you're not the judge. Stop being them. You're there to pray. You're there to seek wisdom from the Holy Spirit and from your leaders, your deacons, your elders, your pastor.

speaker-0 (01:01:52.706)
And if you don't know what to do, pray and the Lord will show you exactly what to do. But we're not calm to just run away.

if somebody comes into your congregation broken and without Jesus, can you put your lamp on the lamp stand and put your pride aside?

speaker-0 (01:02:15.542)
and say just because you're not like me.

Jesus sat with sinners and tax collectors. So should we.

And honestly, we're not even going off our notes, folks. This is just from the heart. This is just raw. This is just real. This is just where we're at.

know, Tony and I have been in dark corners. We're not alone in that fact. Like, we've been in dark corners.

Yeah.

speaker-0 (01:02:46.21)
We've been in them to the point that we know how to navigate through them. And we've lived in places where we don't confess and it's time to start confessing. It's a biblical mandate. Confess your sins to one another. Biblical mandate.

Yeah.

speaker-1 (01:02:58.892)
Yep. That's the second of your three C's.

Is it? Oh, it is. We should. We should just do.

Josh had these three C's written down like a good preacher boy would.

I was a preacher boy. I'll read them out. So how do we come out of our dark corners? This is for this. This culminates everything, right?

That's a fourth seat.

speaker-0 (01:03:22.21)
No, three C's. Cast, confess, come together. Cast, confess, come together. You want to come out of your dark corner? Cast it to the Lord. Yep. Throw that lifeline. If you feel like you're in a dark place, throw that lifeline to him and say, Lord Jesus, I don't know what to do. This is too heavy for me. This impacts me, but I throw it to you. Yep. Jesus says in first Peter five, seven, cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.

That's right.

That's what Jesus wants. Jesus wants you to throw it on him. Because he cares for you, he does not want you to stay in that place. His invitation says, come to me all who are weary and heavy burden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for I am gentle and humble in heart and you will find rest for your souls. My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

Yep.

Everyone else, yeah, I guess Jesus, yeah, Jesus cares. Jesus cares. Well, not only does Jesus care, Jesus is offering in Matthew 11 what I just read, the invitation to come out. Second, confess. I just said it. Therefore confess your sins to one another, to each other and pray for each other that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. James 5, 16. Get out the oil. Pour out the oil. Confess your sin.

speaker-1 (01:04:32.131)
Yep.

speaker-1 (01:04:47.15)
Get out that anointing oil

speaker-0 (01:04:52.61)
The only the reason we confess our sins to the Father and it is different than casting Casting says Jesus. I don't know what to do. I'm here. But then the moment we start to cast confession comes Throwing out the throwing out the fishing rod is like saying, okay, here I go. And then you do the work

Casting is the action, confession is the work. Casting is the action, confession is the work. Casting is saying, I trust you Lord. Confession is saying, I surrender to you Lord.

You must confess your sins. You must try to tell someone what you're dealing with.

Listen, know sins have consequence. I'm sorry It happens they have consequence and here's the other thing that I think it's important to mention. We've mentioned so much about sins but when it comes to the burden of Dealing with things or having trauma in your life

Cheers.

speaker-0 (01:05:57.846)
It's okay to confess how someone has sinned against you and how much it hurts.

but don't live in that dark corner because of someone else's sins against you.

Yeah.

speaker-0 (01:06:12.258)
we can do a whole episode on forgiveness.

Yep.

But that's part of the confession too, is confessing saying, Lord, this is what I've been through.

someone else sinned against me, show me how to forgive. There's two sides to these dark corners. The last one is come together. It's a long scripture but Hebrews chapter 10, starting in chapter 10 verse 19, therefore brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the most holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way open for us through the curtain that is his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God,

Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another.

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and all the more as you see the day approaching.

Yep, that's good.

when you draw away from people.

when you live in that dark corner.

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Should I? I'm gonna. When you live in that dark corner, you're saying, Jesus, just put the curtain back up that you tore down.

You can just put that bad boy back up because I don't want to live. I just want to be back here by myself.

But no. No.

Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart that we're struggling. Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart that what we've gone through. Let us draw near with a sincere heart to God that we have sinned and we have fallen short of your glory, God. But with all of that, we have the full assurance that faith brings in Christ.

that having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with the pure water that is the blood of Jesus. That all will be healed, whether we've sinned or someone has sinned against us, whether we live in that isolation from the sins we've committed or something else, whatever that may be in your life.

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Brothers and sisters, we need to live in the biblical mandate that the Lord calls us to, meaning we stay in the word, you keep your lamps burning. Because there is a lot of people out there in dark corners that have a light to shine.

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Brothers and sisters, if you're living in a dark corner, there is a light that lives within you that God is asking you to put your lamp on the lamp stand to be vulnerable, to not hide it. And to say, this is my struggle. I want to move away from this place so we can draw near to each other and pray. Because that prayer is effective and righteous.

drawn near to God and he will draw near to you. But you have to come out of where

Sorry, Tony, I was preaching.

I love the preaching. I think we did.

I think we got the point across those ones. Got any last thoughts?

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There's an old song that I sang, it goes, keep your lamps trimmed and burning. That's, well, Revelation talks about no man knows the day or the hour when Jesus was returning. So as that parable, the 10 virgins says, keep your lamps trimmed and burning, and how they reference that through song, it's so good. Listen to the old choir song, go find it on YouTube. I may stick a YouTube link in the bottom.

in the episode description, but it's so good.

Keep your lamps trimmed and burning, Yeah. I don't want to be left outside that door, I tell you that.

I don't either and it's just so much freeing when I can just bring it all to the light. Yep. Because then I have no anxiety or care because I know at end of the day Jesus is with me. I've given all to him and when I confess my NYD draw near to brothers that I trust and that I love, man, what do I have to worry about? It's so freeing. So freeing. Well, Tony, this was an awesome episode. enjoyed it.

Yeah.

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I agree. We didn't digress too much either. I think this was great.

Now we just gotta do it again on next episode. We can do it. Oh, I know we can. Y'all, I just thank you all so much. know, Tony and I, we always say it. We're not scholars. We're not perfect. We're just a couple dudes preaching about the word. Thank you all for your emails of encouragement. Yes. Sharing your lives. just, you know, being... What's the word I'm looking

We can it.

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vulnerable.

Being vulnerable, yeah, just being vulnerable to all this. you know, we just look so forward to your guys' emails and conversations and just to have you guys listen to these episodes. And, yeah, we just love, honestly, we love you guys so much. We love all you guys that listen and we cherish all your kind words. We cherish all your encouragements. And we're just excited to keep doing what the Lord has laid on our hearts to do. Tony, you want to?

Blink our socials.

Yep, socials folks as usual. If you've made it this far, thank you. If you have not already, go to the show and subscribe wherever you listen to the podcast. Our socials are on Facebook and Instagram. We are Dungeons and Disciples. That's the word and spelled out. Dungeons and Disciples. And then our Gmail, you can reach us at dungeonsdisciples.gmail.com.

without the and for that, DungeonsDisciples.gmail.com. And we'll get a Patreon going once we get some folks that want to do Patreon. And actually, we've been starting to talk about some behind the scenes things that we can do. So, unedited episodes, just the all-natural episodes, which would be crazy. It would be very vulnerable, I'll say that.

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That would be crazy.

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For those who've been joining us on Discord, thank you guys. We love seeing you guys respond and react and discussing things. So keep it up. If you have questions for us, please chat with us. We are accessible. Yes, I work at 95 now.

and not gonna say that we're always gonna know the answer.

But we still love to talk. So we look forward to hearing from you guys. Again, find us on our socials on Facebook and Instagram or send us a message on an email through Gmail. And we look forward to hearing from you guys. So with that, let's close in a word of prayer and we'll sign off. Father God, thank you for today's episode. Thank you that we were able to just sit here at the table and just be vulnerable and talk about your word and hopefully open the eyes for some people to be vulnerable as well, Lord.

I pray that those who have listened will have the courage to not keep their lamps under a bushel or under a bed or something covering their lamps, but let their lamps shine to those dark corners and uncover those dark places, Lord. We just pray that over the audience, Give each listener a good rest of the day, good rest of the week, and we pray that they are coming back for the next episode. We look forward to hearing from them in Jesus' name. Amen.

Amen, thank you guys. Peace!

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Thanks guys.