Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast | Eye See You / D-Tox - Stallone's Cop Killer Slasher

Sylvester Stallone stars in the 2002 (filmed 1999) horror/thriller Eye See You (ICU) (aka Detox)! The crew dives into this overlooked slasher where Stallone plays an FBI agent tracking a cop killer who ends up in a remote Wyoming rehab facility with other troubled officers.

We discuss the bizarre kills (eye-drilling, impalements), weak plot, future tech predictions that didn’t land, strong supporting cast moments (Robert Patrick, Charles S. Dutton, Polly Walker), and why this one flopped despite the talent involved.

Creators and Guests

Host

Craig Cohen

The OG Podfather

Host

Doug Greenberg

He has Big Guns

Host

Ryan Rebalkin

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0:3232 secondswelcome to another Sylvester Stallone fan podcast episode how are you guys doing Craig how are you doing good I'm
0:4242 secondsgood I'm getting ready for uh for spring here and uh in fabulous Las Vegas before the brutal summer kicks in yeah just
0:5151 secondsrocking and rolling here well when this album gets this album This Album drops when this episode gets released it's going to be April in uh Vegas so it's
0:5858 secondsgoing to probably be pretty warm for you by then April's a a great month here my three favorite months here in in Las
1:051 minute, 5 secondsVegas are uh November March and April and Doug how you doing there I'm doing good Ryan I I wish you still were on
1:131 minute, 13 secondsEast Coast time to be honest but we we all vote you now yeah now I'm the one on the outs it's not even dark here yet
1:221 minute, 22 secondsyeah it's still got a little bit of daylight okay well okay so without further Ado today's episode we put this up for vote vot this went up against
1:311 minute, 31 secondsreach me what was the other one this was up against shade shade yeah so which I know we disappointed Liam because I know
1:381 minute, 38 secondsLiam said he doesn't know too much about that movie I think that's like the third time I've offered up shade and it's lost so my pride starting that's it three
1:471 minute, 47 secondsstrikes and it's out reach me has been getting horrible people have been voting for it both Facebook and Twitter but reach me's always in dead last whenever I put it up for a poll I would assume
1:551 minute, 55 secondsthree quarters of people are like what is what movie is he talking about reach me the winner for the audience is ICU or
2:032 minutes, 3 secondsdetox what do you guys want to call this film well the cut I watched had ICU as the on the title card that's funny M
2:132 minutes, 13 secondsmine said detox on the title card when it came up in the film isn't that funny God I wonder if we watched the same cut how long was yours Ryan good question
2:212 minutes, 21 secondsmine was an hour and 35 minutes I remember that's what ours was too okay because I remember because I was watching that time
2:282 minutes, 28 secondsconstantly I wasn't the only one like okay right it said I see you on the
2:352 minutes, 35 secondstitle card right Doug on on TV yep yeah sure did and for memory I haven't I know you're going to ask me this Ryan I haven't watched this since it came out
2:432 minutes, 43 secondson DVD in what 200 three or whatever it was it felt like the same movie I watched the only thing is the opening
2:522 minutes, 52 secondssection before he goes to Wyoming felt a lot longer at least my memory of the movie was like he's in that underground bunker for like
3:003 minutes90 minutes and then I was like what's all this setup well we'll get into it but the setup quite frankly is probably the best part of the film yeah you know
3:083 minutes, 8 secondsprobably yeah when did saw come out okay we'll get to that we'll get to that we's slow down we's slow down
3:153 minutes, 15 secondsso listeners this movie was filmed in 1999 Stallone at the time was 52 Craig
3:233 minutes, 23 secondskind of alluded to this was kind of in that Heyday of the Resurgence of the slasher flick the teen slasher flicks we had the Scream movies that come out and
3:323 minutes, 32 secondswe had of course I Know What You Did Last Summer which the director of this Jim gespi and I didn't realize that
3:393 minutes, 39 secondsuntil after after watching the film I do very little research before I see a film for the first time because I just want to go on cold and it wasn't so I was like okay what else has this director
3:473 minutes, 47 secondsdone well no surprise I was I was partly not surprised that he's done nothing since this film because it was a
3:553 minutes, 55 secondscomplete failure and then I was then surprised that he the film right before this one was a huge success both it was
4:034 minutes, 3 secondsloved by fans and financially a box office hit it's got a great scene in it one of the best scenes of that film and
4:114 minutes, 11 secondsprobably of horror in the 90s is when Pete sas's wife gets killed and the fisherman's got her on the hook and he's
4:194 minutes, 19 secondsdragging her down the aisle of that grocery store yeah she was a big actress I don't remember her name bridg
4:264 minutes, 26 secondssomething Jennifer Love huitt no no no whoever Pete sis married around that time I don't know Bridget something
4:344 minutes, 34 secondsBridget Wilson yeah she was a big actress at the time and then she married Pete sers and was probably like I don't have to act anymore she was the girl in
4:424 minutes, 42 secondsum yeah Happy Gilmore yeah uhhuh blond girl yeah I saw I know he did last what what he did last summer in the theaters
4:494 minutes, 49 secondsI just remember enjoying every scene Jennifer Love H was in especially the rain all right can we just talk about her for
4:584 minutes, 58 secondsthe better talk about shitty movie did Jim gie really not do anything after this well yes actually his next film
5:045 minutes, 4 secondsgood great question his next film after after detox was you might have heard of it
5:125 minutes, 12 secondsVenom what year did most recent one no the 2005 one with with Method
5:195 minutes, 19 secondsMan this was filmed in what 98 99 so we've talked about the road that
5:275 minutes, 27 secondsStallone could have taken and we've sort of bemoon the fact that he sort of pivoted and went back and it really
5:345 minutes, 34 secondspains me to say that watching detox detox was him trying to do that the movie was completely hung out to dry and
5:425 minutes, 42 secondsis probably another reason that we didn't get the alternate universe Stallone focusing on acting allaha
5:515 minutes, 51 secondsCopland can be tied directly to detox and its failure and and I know Sly talked about why he thought this movie
5:585 minutes, 58 secondsfailed mainly because of distribution and the studio not believing in it and it makes me ask a bigger question and this is for Hollywood in general why do
6:066 minutes, 6 secondsyou develop projects and then get shocked by the end results yeah there was a script you hired a director you knew what the director was capable of
6:146 minutes, 14 secondsdelivering and then you see the movie and you're like oh this isn't what we were planning on and then you shelf it and it's really frustrating because it's
6:216 minutes, 21 secondslike it's like me I I make banana bread every week and I go buy a recipe I know what the banana Bread's going to taste like based on the recipe like I don't
6:296 minutes, 29 secondsknow the questions are very valid and they've been questions that I've asked myself every time I've listen to maybe a song where that's the producer's job or
6:376 minutes, 37 secondsa movie where the director or an editor's job quite frankly to put together a product where it's like hey we've got this film we got this footage and but at the end the day the director
6:466 minutes, 46 secondsin front of the actors when he says you know action and he's watching them act in the storyline and before they have the storyboards right don't these storyboard these films like I don't
6:556 minutes, 55 secondsunderstand why they're not saying you know what that that's kind of stupid that's kind of corny or that line there doesn't work or what's happening here or we can see who the Killer is a mile away
7:047 minutes, 4 secondsI mean all these things like I don't understand why people who are in the business aren't smarter to the business
7:127 minutes, 12 secondsit's frustrating it's so hard to come up with original ideas that you know there's so much I I hear you Doug you're right I'm not trying but they're
7:207 minutes, 20 secondsrebooting it they're rebooting everything left and right these days yeah and you well to your Point detox is essentially a middle-age version of I
7:287 minutes, 28 secondsKnow What You Did Last Summer it's by the same director and has the same beats as that type of film he said
7:367 minutes, 36 secondsscream before with the talking on the phone with the distorted voice I won't live long the odds are
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsagainst that so what time I have left I will dedicate to you I'll always be
7:507 minutes, 50 secondsclose like hide and seek now about
7:577 minutes, 57 secondsMary it's never me of saw the voice at first I was like that's the saw voice in order to
8:058 minutes, 5 secondssurvive you must save as I save in turn you will receive a clue to your
8:148 minutes, 14 secondssalvation make your choice well speaking of the voice did you guys watch the trailer no yes and
8:218 minutes, 21 secondsthe and the trailer The Voice wasn't distorted you ever play hide and seek what makes that game so much fun
8:318 minutes, 31 secondsit's when the hunter is staring right at you the voice was a modulated Craig so it was the the the guy the only guy
8:388 minutes, 38 secondsspeaking whole movie with an English accent was revealed in the trailer yeah that's hilarious did you guys also get and I know we're going to get into this
8:478 minutes, 47 secondsbut um did you get like an Escape Plan vibe from the um bunker they were in I think this is a movie because it's so
8:548 minutes, 54 secondslight on plot and it's pretty uh pretty cookie cutter though I think we can kind of talk about beats to say where the film was as it begins but before we even
9:039 minutes, 3 secondsget to that so we know it was filmed in 99 it didn't get released officially till 2002 it bombed at the box office it
9:109 minutes, 10 secondshad a budget of $55 million due to re-shoot and probably slice $20 million cut and it only made six and a half million at the box office well it didn't
9:199 minutes, 19 secondseven come out in domestically right that was all overseas it was released yeah in the UK no it was released uh September
9:269 minutes, 26 seconds20th in the states wow it was like you went to the Marquee and you saw I seeu next to uh whatever was out in 20 know
9:339 minutes, 33 secondsnext to the Harry Potter film or whatever do you think there's any part of them just wanted to throw us in the trash or is it just like we put the
9:419 minutes, 41 secondsmoney into it so let's recoup Dej I think was the final company if Dej didn't come in and buy the rights we
9:499 minutes, 49 secondsnever would have seen this movie it would have Universal it yeah they stripped their name off of it and everything yeah they're so embarrassed about it yeah Universal pitchers
9:579 minutes, 57 secondsactually disowned it so no we have nothing to do with this F don't associate us with this but you know what they had a habit of doing that around that time because they were the original
10:0510 minutes, 5 secondsproducers of House of a Thousand Corpses the Rob Zombie movie that eventually got released by I think lion gate that
10:1310 minutes, 13 secondsactually made money I'm sure yeah oh yeah but so it seems like Universal was just making [ __ ] and then they were like ah it didn't come out the way we liked
10:2110 minutes, 21 secondsuh let's just shelf it well Doug to speak to your point about rebooting or not original ideas you're absolutely right this is a victim of that like
10:2810 minutes, 28 secondswe're saying this is a slasher film for adults and it doesn't work slasher films are not meant for adults seeing adults
10:3510 minutes, 35 secondskilled by a serial killer or basically a cloaked or hidden figure it's not scary there's no Stakes they're all you know
10:4310 minutes, 43 secondssome of them are near death anyways the victims so there's no Stakes when adults die in films the way teenagers are in
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsPeril there wasn't a point I know there's like a really loose Arc that the Stallone character goes through most
10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsslasher films they're about TNA just 90 minutes of popcorn where you can sort of
11:0411 minutes, 4 secondsenjoy the gore I think you're really on point there Ryan by saying that when it's adults there's really no Stakes it's not interesting but what if it was
11:1311 minutes, 13 secondslike like a seven type of film so you got this guy that's going around killing cops you have the main character FBI
11:2111 minutes, 21 secondsagent whose wife gets killed by this cop killer just do that just follow that line until he gets caught or killed in
11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsthe end your budget would have skyrocketed because you wouldn't have been able to stay in that compound ridicul but before we get to Let's I'm
11:3711 minutes, 37 secondssure 95% of our listening audience has not seen this film if they're listening to this they probably wouldn't mind if I give a little bit of a plot what's going
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondson here so the movie opens up with sly's character which is named Malloy agent no relation agent Jake Malloy and he no
11:5411 minutes, 54 secondsrelations to sha mooy he is buying a ring now did you see the way he approached the ring at the
12:0112 minutes, 1 secondcounter he was back like 5T and he did that like H oh it can't be did you see that way he acted that I
12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsthought was he supposed to be funny there or he acted really weird about AO I don't want to say he just acted very
12:1812 minutes, 18 secondsoh you're doing like a little uh Mr rer uh yeah a Jack Tripper type Behavior
12:2512 minutes, 25 secondsyeah yeah yeah before he went to the to get the ring and he's like oh the Spring's perfect or
12:3312 minutes, 33 secondswhatever April Fool
12:3412 minutes, 34 seconds[Music]
12:3612 minutes, 36 secondsright you're kidding right you've picked a very fine Diamond jalai I'll tell you what throw in a car I'll take it throw
12:4312 minutes, 43 secondsin a hand I'll take it perhaps a lesser gem would be more appropriate nah it's perfect Stallone's
12:5112 minutes, 51 secondsacting in that F in this first third I guess you want to call it before he goes into the cop rehab I think his acting there aside
13:0013 minutesfrom when he comes home to discover his wife's been murdered when he's talking with the other cops in the bar and he's sort of running down the the serial
13:0813 minutes, 8 secondskillers methodology look I'd love to tell you we got this guy ready for a toe tag in the slab I'd love to tell you that but we're
13:1613 minutes, 16 secondsdealing with a whole different kind of Street logic here it's a whole different breed there's no repeatable patterns there's no identifiable method he's
13:2413 minutes, 24 secondstargeting cops different precincts different times every sight it's clean he's going to up they all do and when he
13:3313 minutes, 33 secondsdoes we'll nail him he was believable there like it it actually seemed he knew what he was talking about yeah the first third of this film the first 35 minutes
13:4113 minutes, 41 secondsof this film before he enters rehab detox center it was actually not a bad flick I remember watching think okay I
13:4813 minutes, 48 secondsknow this film was hated by both uh fans of Sly and critics I did I don't know why I didn't read any reviews but I just had that because I no s films enough to
13:5613 minutes, 56 secondsknow this was a stinker so I never got around to seen it and so the first 20 30 minutes I was like this isn't bad this okay but anyways it gets into what it
14:0514 minutes, 5 secondsgets into so okay so he's at the bar with the cops right and they're having drinks and it seems like just a normal standard Affair of hey we're having
14:1414 minutes, 14 secondsdrinks and da d d they're crap talking each other Doug you're a cop right do you guys get together for drinks at a bar and crap talk each other not much
14:2214 minutes, 22 secondsthese days when I was new we did but sure sure we also yeah never mind okay I understand I don't want to go down
14:2914 minutes, 29 secondsbut then and then one of the cops who both Malloy and this cop apparently they were Partners when Jake Malloy played by
14:3814 minutes, 38 secondsStallone uh gets killed yeah we'll just say for argument sayate we'll just Jake Malloy is sly's character but I'll just
14:4614 minutes, 46 secondssay sly for the most part because it's just it's just him you know for our listening audience so anyways so anyway sly's partner in the film sorry the guy
14:5414 minutes, 54 secondsin the film who's chirping at slicing how come you haven't caught this uh cop killer so essentially there's a killer on the loose who is literally killing
15:0315 minutes, 3 secondscops from different precincts like he's not just picking one he's like got this one the north side this one the east side or whatever so the FBI have been
15:1015 minutes, 10 secondscalled in to obviously this is a multi- Precinct murder spree like nine cops in six months FBI are on the case it's his
15:1815 minutes, 18 secondsex partner who's still a cop saying to Sly saying hey come on man what's up with the FBI how how come you haven't caught this guy yet so that's how the
15:2715 minutes, 27 secondsfilm begins so we're now the audience know knows okay there's a cop killer on the loose slides hot on the tail of this guy yeah obviously this is something
15:3515 minutes, 35 secondsthat's been going on and then fast forward a few minutes the same cop who chirped at Sly he gets dropped off at
15:4115 minutes, 41 secondshome the doorbell rings he answers it he looks through the eyehole first and do you guys want to talk about how he died
15:4815 minutes, 48 secondsso so ridiculous the drill through the peeple yeah logistically there's so many problems with it please yeah please tell
15:5615 minutes, 56 secondsunless you pre-drill it you're not going to come right through right away right I mean you're going to have to break the glass on the peole and then wouldn't the
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondspeole pop out on your side the drill wouldn't go straight through it we've all been hit in the eye with a piece of sand or some sort of whatever and the
16:1116 minutes, 11 secondsmoment your eyeball feels just a twinge of something the automatic response is you whip your head back right away yeah yeah the amount of force and energy it
16:2016 minutes, 20 secondswould take actual superhuman strength to drive the drill through the peephole fast enough for it to impale the eye
16:2916 minutes, 29 secondsthat the drill turning on and off would be irrelevant it would just you know it doesn't matter if it's a drill or not you could use a
16:3616 minutes, 36 secondsscrewdriver you could use a pencil because the amount of force the screwing of the electronic drill is irrelevant at that point you just you be pushing it
16:4416 minutes, 44 secondsfaster through the hole then you can screw it but whatever it's a movie so the guy looks in the hole and he keeps his eye in there long enough to get his
16:5116 minutes, 51 secondseye drilled already as a Sly film fan person you're oh this is a different kind of
16:5816 minutes, 58 secondsfilm that's a slasher kill guys so now we're in slasher film mode so but then he drops back and then he the same cop
17:0617 minutes, 6 secondsis you know crawling on the floor away from the door but the door opens and this hooded figure comes in whatever CL you know shadow figure you can't quite
17:1417 minutes, 14 secondssee his face pulls out a silencer gun of course classic silencer weapon shoots the cop so that's what we see there and then then we go to the girlfriend's
17:2217 minutes, 22 secondshouse with Sly or Sly in the girlfriend's house yeah and he he proposes to her right no he says he's he's got a surprise for he hasn't
17:2917 minutes, 29 secondsproposed her yet lucky for you I've been out there checking out the competition and pickings are pretty damn Slim So I
17:3717 minutes, 37 secondswas thinking what the hell why not still with me trying to tell me something huh
17:4417 minutes, 44 secondsmaybe maybe not I have a surprise I got this great surprise but it's going to have to keep
17:5217 minutes, 52 secondsthem I want to give it to you but I want to have a clear head when I but she senses that the proposal's coming he has the ring but he didn't say that he has
17:5917 minutes, 59 secondsthe ring he didn't even mention it to her he's just in the future I've got a surprise for you and she's like oh I wonder what it could be kind of like
18:0618 minutes, 6 secondsshe's great that's that's Dena Meyer who was another big actress around that time she was in Starship Troopers um and she was in Johnny demonic she was in the saw
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondsfilms oh right yeah yeah she was a great actress it was cool seeing her did you look up the age difference between Sly
18:2218 minutes, 22 secondsabsolutely I did absolutely 20 what was s was Sly 50 50 something here he was 52 52 yeah and she would have been both she
18:3018 minutes, 30 secondswas about 40 sorry 32 in this film now to be a little bit fair to s's character
18:3618 minutes, 36 secondsa 20year difference isn't crazy this is his second relationship he's been divorced we get a little dialogue there where it turns out that size character
18:4518 minutes, 45 secondsis divorced how was donovans how do you know it was at donovans as I called no you didn't no I
18:5318 minutes, 53 secondsdidn't it was my imitation of your XY ouch come on don't go there
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19:0119 minutes, 1 secondshe's the new girlfriend so she's a younger hotter version than his ex-wife so he was working for the FBI at this point right yes so he's an FBI guy now
19:0919 minutes, 9 secondsagain this is Sly the actor versus the character aren't there mandatory retirement ages especially for FBI
19:1719 minutes, 17 secondsagents I have a theory so he's 52 as an FBI agent which I think is a fine age I think 52y old FBI AG are there obviously
19:2519 minutes, 25 secondsI think the divorce led to the career change like as an FBI agent especially he was still a field agent right if he
19:3219 minutes, 32 secondswas playing a 52-year-old in the movie he's like three years away from retirement what is the retirement age for FBI agents I don't know 20 years
19:4019 minutes, 40 secondsfrom uh day to hire yeah so this is the problem yes Craig you're absolutely right so we're we have to believe that Sly thinks he looks younger than he is
19:4819 minutes, 48 secondsand I I'm sick of it okay because no he he looks he's in good shape don't get me wrong he's in good shape but for a 52y old let's all hope
19:5619 minutes, 56 secondsI'm in that kind of shape at 52 he looks fantastic we saw some shirtless you know on the bed there he looks fine looks great but he looks 50 maybe
20:0420 minutes, 4 seconds49 but still 50 he's 52 and 52 is 52 it just is what it is he's not 38 I don't
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondsknow anyway so yes you're right I think his character was supposed to be younger I think if we see Dena Meyer and they have a Little Love talk and it's like everything's really Dandy the next day
20:2020 minutes, 20 secondshe gets a his pager still the pager mode of the films here they discover the okay yeah there's the pager alert comes up
20:2820 minutes, 28 secondsand says murder or whatever and so he goes to the house and he sees Mur kill yeah he murder death kill so he goes to the
20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsguy's house that was killed the night before the guy that was tripping at him in the bar he's now dead as a viewer the last thing that we saw that he was shot on the floor but now what we're seen is
20:4520 minutes, 45 secondshe's now hanging in the air really quite a grotesque fashion so this really comes in out of the very like Doug was saying
20:5220 minutes, 52 secondsthe very seven likee moment this was the moment that gave me that vibe that seven vibe that I would hope that they would stay with it well you'd have to have
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondtalented actors like Kevin spy and Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman a director like David Fincher and writers isn't that interesting how a writer how a writer
21:0921 minutes, 9 secondsdirector can dictate the success of a film this isn't s's fault I think we've talked about this before many times in other podcasts of Sly films is when the
21:1821 minutes, 18 secondsdirector sucks it's amazing look at Quint Tarantino he writes amazing films and he's an amazing director and he can
21:2521 minutes, 25 secondstake what would almost be a standard scene from another director he just makes it quent and taranto I don't know how in all fairness to Mr G gfy here oh
21:3421 minutes, 34 secondswow you're being fair well no I mean from every indication I Know What You Did Last Summer is a competently made movie it was horror film slasher flick
21:4221 minutes, 42 secondsyes it's a in it genre pinch and hold genre of a teen flashli it's fine and this film I see you detox went through a
21:5121 minutes, 51 secondssubstantial amount of reshoots now how involved with those re-shoot was he uh apparently Ron Howard oversaw some of that Well Ron had Howard's dad has a
22:0022 minutescameo here if Matt's listening I know Matt was really excited a year or two ago when the director's cut of this
22:0822 minutes, 8 secondsmovie came out I know there's a write up online but I didn't bother to look to see what the differences were but apparently it's a substantially
22:1522 minutes, 15 secondsdifferent movie was it really a director's cut who would put the time and effort into releasing a director's cut this pile of [ __ ] it was within like
22:2322 minutes, 23 secondsthe last two years that's right I forgot about that a legitimate Blu-ray director's cut I don't want to put all the blame on Jim glesby here is all I'm saying there's a part of me that's very
22:3222 minutes, 32 secondscurious to watch that director SC I'm not going to lie now that I've just seen this i' be just curious what a director cut of this film would offer me release
22:3922 minutes, 39 secondsthe Jim gby cut let's get a Twitter movement going and people will be like it's been
22:4722 minutes, 47 secondsreleased for three years now guys yeah it's four hours and it ends on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved oh boy so speaking of the kill for those
22:5522 minutes, 55 secondswho haven't seen the film The Individual the cop that's been killed has his arms and his legs tied behind his back almost like an arnik spider type attached both
23:0423 minutes, 4 secondsof the wrists and and and the ankles hanging from the ceiling with a baton shoved down his throat now this is a
23:1123 minutes, 11 secondsoneman job apparently you give me $100,000 I don't think I could put a body in that position overnight and have
23:1923 minutes, 19 secondsit Mount use like a pulce system I can barely screw a lightball bin man I don't know how he got that guy up there where was he he was just hanging from the
23:2623 minutes, 26 secondsceiling I guess he drilled through the beams I guess yeah he found the support beam probably constructed some kind of pulley system maybe he had something he
23:3523 minutes, 35 secondsbrought in like a pulley system on Wheels with the like one of those engine block uh yeah well I know you guys are being
23:4323 minutes, 43 secondssilly but one of the biggest flaws of this film well you are being silly don't tell me you're being serious I'm being dead
23:5023 minutes, 50 secondsserious but one of the biggest flaws of this film is I can't decide is it a psychological thriller or is it a team slash film because the guy guy that's
23:5823 minutes, 58 secondsdoing the killing and in which the manner in which he does them requires superum strength we talked about with the drill with the drill through the door and now we're talking about it with
24:0624 minutes, 6 secondsmounting this guy you know bending his limbs backwards postmortem and all this stuff it's actual superhuman strength for one man job to do the kills and to
24:1424 minutes, 14 secondsput the bodies in the positions that he does so quickly and to put himself back in a position where we as a viewing audience later in the film don't know who he is how does he get around so much
24:2324 minutes, 23 secondswithout any blood on them you know come on guys yeah now and and also what was the purpose of it was it so that when when Dena Meyer gets killed and she's
24:3224 minutes, 32 secondshanging there they could they could make a visual connection I mean you could just leave like a playing card or some other stupid gimmick at the scene if he
24:4124 minutes, 41 secondsdoes with the cops in the the rehab center he writes under their eyelids yeah yeah no so what's the purpose what's the purpose of hanging them if
24:4924 minutes, 49 secondsthat's how you're killing them if you're gonna identify yourself as the killer anyway through some cheap gimmick why expend all that energy well that's
24:5724 minutes, 57 secondsanother thing thing is it starts out like the first two victims gets their eyes drilled out right that's his calling card the eyes are gone I see you
25:0625 minutes, 6 secondsokay yeah I see you right with I and then later on in the movie he's just hanging people he's killing them like
25:1325 minutes, 13 secondsthe one guy gets uh drugged the other guy another guy gets his stro cut yeah we're gonna get we're gonna get okay
25:2025 minutes, 20 secondswe're gonna get that you're right so you taking too long no you really are guys we've been recording for 22 minutes our
25:2825 minutes, 28 secondsaverage episode's an hour and a half long we've been recording for 20 I know the movie is a drag but we got to give our listening audience something here okay and I'm I'm not mean to take long I
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsthink the first 20 minutes of the film was the most unpack I to be to be fair and then once we get to the clinic it's really just a standard one by one
25:4425 minutes, 44 secondsslasher film because I think the whole first third of the film is actually the only part of the film I want to talk about fine you want to talk about the last half of the film bunch of cops the
25:5225 minutes, 52 secondsguy that's a killer kills them all he gets discovered who he is he dies at the end Stallone and his uh would be girlfriend walk away that is the rest of the film but I think
26:0026 minutesleading up to the film I start leading up to the detox part is actually not the most interesting part of to talk about but it it actually has the most plot
26:0926 minutes, 9 secondsholes because keep in mind this guy has done these killings like now Stallone is at is at the site as he's at the crime scene sorry and he's there like oh I
26:1826 minutes, 18 secondscan't believe this cop is dead I was just having drinks with him last night you know da d d friend of yours yeah long
26:2526 minutes, 25 secondstime I can't find any sign of gunpowder shooter was most likely several feet
26:3126 minutes, 31 secondsback he was in Whispering distance see the starburst splitting on his skin here dock gun was pressed
26:4026 minutes, 40 secondsdirectly against the head killer wanted him to feel a barrel Nine Dead Cops inside of 6 months
26:4726 minutes, 47 secondsif this was nine dead feds we were talking about yeah that would be a different goddamn story let's cut him
26:5626 minutes, 56 secondsdown how long do you plan to have him hang there I don't think junior Here is finished analyzing the body what do you think you're going to find we haven't
27:0327 minutes, 3 secondsbeen able to find anything yet what do you think you're going to find I why don't you get the club out of his thr let me let me handle this okay Charles
27:1027 minutes, 10 secondsDutton is there great actor he's there playing yes Charles S Dutton Char sorry Charles s dun my apologies original Rock that's right that's right great great
27:1827 minutes, 18 secondscomedy show I loved it we find out later that they're Partners they didn't do a very good job establishing that until lat well he was in the bar scene wasn't
27:2527 minutes, 25 secondshe no I don't think he was there sure maybe if he was I didn't notice him because I was looking for him because I knew he was in the film but he might
27:3227 minutes, 32 secondsmaybe I missed him may he shows up for the first time in this scene where they so I think so okay so the phone rings and they're like hey Malloy slice
27:4127 minutes, 41 secondscharacter hey Malloy it's for you of course it's like then the killer comes onto the phone it's you know you know what was funny about that you could sort of hear the Killer's voice on the phone
27:4927 minutes, 49 secondsright and it had the modulation on it hello it's for you like how did that cop
27:5727 minutes, 57 secondsanswer the phone and not be like but what I'm saying you could hear the other voice on the on the other end of the phone when the cop's there when the cop
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondsanswers it and I swear you heard the modulated voice like I see what you're saying I'm looking for Jake Malloy maybe he decided was one of those smoker boxes
28:1328 minutes, 13 secondsyou know is Jake Malloy there Jake goes on the phone of course it goes right into the dialogue for the
28:2028 minutes, 20 secondsAudio I want to play a game yeah it's that modulated voice we don't know who the Killer is blah blah blah it's Malloy
28:2828 minutes, 28 secondsyou and your friend were out late last night who is this tell me the lie what do you see in that dead cop's eyes do
28:3628 minutes, 36 secondsyou see recrimination because it's your fault who is this they've all gone to their resting place because of you what
28:4328 minutes, 43 secondsare you talking about we'll get to that but first things first you know she's got a lovely place here nice
28:5128 minutes, 51 secondsneighborhood it almost looks safe until now and he's saying you should stay like you
29:0029 minutesshould have stayed home and but here's the con not done your job so why is he asking for Jake you say audience why is he picking on Jake now he's at Jake's
29:0729 minutes, 7 secondshouse to kill his fiance soon to be fiance his girlfriend and the reason why now there's the motive ladies and gentlemen we have a motive for the
29:1529 minutes, 15 secondskiller okay here's the motive the motive is ladies and gentlemen Jake when he was a cop thwarted this guy's killings of
29:2529 minutes, 25 secondsprostitutes I'm sorry but Mary come to the phone right now what do you want you're the agent in
29:3329 minutes, 33 secondscharge of my case aren't you that's right so whatever you got to do why don't you just do it to me I am doing it to you
29:4029 minutes, 40 secondsmooy and I'm doing it to her so you still haven't told me what you want 4 years ago you were in charge of an
29:4929 minutes, 49 secondsinvestigation of a series of murders atrocities against prostitutes I call it removing diseased
29:5729 minutes, 57 secondsfilth you got very close to getting me you'd rather protect them and remove me
30:0430 minutes, 4 secondsyou made my life help so now I'm returning the favor keep him talking hunting the
30:1130 minutes, 11 secondshunters I won't live long the odds are against that so what time I have left I
30:1830 minutes, 18 secondswill dedicate to you I'll always be close like hide and seek
30:2530 minutes, 25 secondsnow about man to kill a man is easy but kill what he
30:3330 minutes, 33 secondsloves and he dies a thousand times please don't hurt her please I'll see you but you won't
30:4330 minutes, 43 secondssee me he just wanted to kill who so he was this guy was out there killing prostitutes he never got caught M s's
30:5230 minutes, 52 secondscharacter never caught him but he took offense to the fact that he was being investigating the fact that they had the fact that he was the lead investigator
31:0131 minutes, 1 secondon a serial killer of of prostitutes bent him so far out of shape that he ceased killing the prostitutes yeah what
31:1031 minutes, 10 secondsa weird pivot and pivoted to killing cops killed nine cops I think in six
31:1831 minutes, 18 secondsmonths before telling Jake Malloy I've killed these nine cops and your ex partner and your soon to be ex- fiance
31:2631 minutes, 26 secondsdead fiance all because you thwarted my killing of prostitutes that is his motive was the endgame to kill Jake
31:3631 minutes, 36 secondsMalloy or to make him suffer I think it was well he killed his girlfriend to make well he killed his girlfriend after that what else are you going to do he
31:4331 minutes, 43 secondsdoesn't he didn't have any other family that's it game over like yeah he killed his girl because he says the best thing the killer that we don't know who it is
31:5131 minutes, 51 secondsyet as far as his film's concerned and we don't we haven't been introduced yet the killer he says the only way to live is to watch the last life of someone's
31:5931 minutes, 59 secondsbefore they die look in their eyes before they die like you know classic oh you're so evil anyway so there you go he calls out he's at my house he's at my
32:0832 minutes, 8 secondshouse and Charles S dunton's character right away goes 3111 whatever street I don't even know my address at quickly this guy knows his part address they
32:1632 minutes, 16 secondscould set up a phone trace the cops will go to the house right uh to Jake M well not a phone trace yeah just so they
32:2332 minutes, 23 secondscould get there just so they get there because there's preg GPS right so anyway so the so by the time s's character gets to the house the house is already full
32:3132 minutes, 31 secondsof at least 30 of the 50 cops Charles S dunton's already there why did it take why is Sly the last one there I
32:4132 minutes, 41 secondsquestion a lot about this scene too because he knows what he's walking into as well I guess that's something you'd want to see for yourself they all like
32:4932 minutes, 49 secondspart like the Red Seas too like don't you think anybody would be like hey you don't want to see this or you know there's no reason for you to see this
32:5732 minutes, 57 secondsI'd like to think of if I was on that scene I'd be a little I'd show a little bit of empathy and a little bit of human compassion there to like yeah Doug
33:0433 minutes, 4 secondsstepped away from the camera so ask him the question when he comes back my question is really for the for the for the police officer in our midst is uh what would be the protocol if it's a
33:1233 minutes, 12 secondspolice officer spouse or friend or at at a crime scene so Doug we actually do have a legit question for you heaven forbid is one of your friends but just
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondslet's just say one of your friends A co-worker their spouse gets killed their girlfriend gets killed you're already at a crime scene with that same
33:2733 minutes, 27 secondsindividual's house or family gets killed how close into that crime scene can they go into they rush back to the residents
33:3433 minutes, 34 secondscuz you always see in the TV shows oh you're too close to this case oh like a conflict of interest type but I I understand that's their dead wife or
33:4333 minutes, 43 secondsfather or whatever or just crime scene contamination you're talking about Ryan a combination of that and for all we know you know there could have been
33:5133 minutes, 51 secondsisn't F always the first suspect to begin with I suppose but they usually wouldn't put a cop who
33:5833 minutes, 58 secondsfriend or relative got killed because you can't let personal feelings get in the way of an investigation you have to
34:0534 minutes, 5 secondskeep it as when all those cops part for him they part like I said to Ryan they part like the Red Seas to let him through would you be more inclined to be
34:1234 minutes, 12 secondslike hey you don't need to see this or there's no reason for you to see this or is that something you just step back and say Hey you could try to be like listen you don't you don't want to go in there
34:2034 minutes, 20 secondsbut okay I mean think about it would you let anybody stop you no but I make the attempt right yeah character goes into
34:2834 minutes, 28 secondsthe bedroom or living room wherever she was killed and now she's hanging from a new so another hanging victim so she's hanging her eyes drilled out or shot or
34:3734 minutes, 37 secondsboth I don't know so she she's hanging he picks her down again still so far you're kind of like okay it's that slasher kill seven light kills okay it's
34:4434 minutes, 44 secondsnot too bad whatever it is 1999 I keep that in mind I don't care when it was released it was filmed in 99 yeah well and if it took place today how do you
34:5234 minutes, 52 secondsdrill through a ring doorbell a ring camera yeah I yeah now so this is a very busy day for Sly sly's character so now
35:0035 minutesanother call comes in he's at this scene so we've got the murder in the morning of the cop then now you got the murder of his girlfriend and now the another
35:0835 minutes, 8 secondscall comes in saying we've got him we've got him and how did they get him they got him because he was wearing some sort of Kevlar vest or something with blood
35:1535 minutes, 15 secondson it or something this what's the story security guard Spott standing inside the yard covered in blood rest in swat gear son of a [ __ ] didn't say a word just
35:2335 minutes, 23 secondsopen fire God okay took one in the leg lost a lot of blood's able to pop her backup before he passed out let's not
35:3235 minutes, 32 secondsforget the part the old Trope keep him on the phone we almost got two minutes yeah I now they go to where this it's
35:4135 minutes, 41 secondslike a f classic Factory abandoned warehouse or whatever so they go to this another a saw like location I don't even remember what brought them there what
35:4935 minutes, 49 secondswhat was it yeah well that's what I mean I'll insert dug until Ryan just said it was a phone call saying that they found it yeah it was well it wasn't a phone call it was like a cop came running in
35:5735 minutes, 57 secondsthey've they've got him they've got him so they're at the crime scene someone's just killed a cop and someone's just killed my girlfriend and this person was
36:0536 minutes, 5 secondsThe Prostitute killer that I was chasing I hope we get this guy one day and literally within an hour they've caught the guy which I guess if he truly has
36:1336 minutes, 13 secondsblood all over him but there's been no Witnesses so if I like Joe Blow in downtown whatever City and I see some
36:1936 minutes, 19 secondsguy walking around with blood on him I'm not going to just call in and say hey I heard you guys had two killings today I think this might be your I don't know how the APB went out on this guy I
36:2836 minutes, 28 secondsthere's no indication there's any Witnesses who saw what he looked like but anyways they got him within an hour they got this guy now again all the SWAT
36:3636 minutes, 36 secondscop cars at this new location and already I'm thinking well s can't go to this he's his heads space is not now for
36:4336 minutes, 43 secondsreal his mental health is not appropriate for work he's carrying a weapon he he's he'll be an issue for
36:5136 minutes, 51 secondshimself and for others your wife to be is dead you are not coming on this run but of course theying bring him in the
36:5836 minutes, 58 secondscop car and the one credit I'll give to the actor or sorry to the writers and to the director is at least they showed sly's character being distraught at
37:0637 minutes, 6 secondsleast they show that his head space was effed up they did show it because he he looked like he was like oh the world's actually spinning around him a little
37:1437 minutes, 14 secondsbit that could have been Sly for all we know what do you mean like saying hey this is how I need to react I
37:2237 minutes, 22 secondsmean he could have said look this is crazy that I'm here so I'm going to show that I shouldn't be here but I'm here anyways so that was a bit of credibility
37:3037 minutes, 30 secondsfor me at that moment where I was like okay at least they're showing that he shouldn't be there his head is not screwed on right but lo and behold he's
37:3737 minutes, 37 secondsthere and this is the problem because he starts wandering around looking for the guy whatever he he gets he gets separated from everybody like well he
37:4537 minutes, 45 secondsjust he goes on his own arbitrary looking for this guy does this have to be one of those cases of like
37:5237 minutes, 52 secondsmovie coincidence well this is where it gets very murky because this Mastermind killer he's purposefully been found and
38:0038 minutesthis is so okay okay so we see a shadow figure in a window up high where Stallone is Stallone sees this figure he
38:0838 minutes, 8 secondssees this guy like oh there he is so he goes on a foot chase to get this guy the guy shoots so they're doing like a very seven like yeah talk about seven very
38:1638 minutes, 16 secondslike off in the distance shooting back and forth at each other so I'm thinking to myself okay this guy has lured Stallone's character to the warehouse
38:2438 minutes, 24 secondsit's incredible trap that he's involved all this please for he's done enough that he has called himself to get caught
38:3138 minutes, 31 secondsby the police but he's far enough away that he's not been caught by the police his thing is that he's always close
38:3938 minutes, 39 secondsenough where he can watch what's going on he can be like a Voyer but not be seen by anybody else but yeah a real
38:4738 minutes, 47 secondscall went out to the police force saying we've got him but they don't have him they had a sighting we're led to believe that he's somehow trapped in this
38:5538 minutes, 55 secondslocation because they got him but he's running around on the loose I really wish we were a video podcast right now
39:0139 minutes, 1 secondRyan because your whole way you expressed yourself during that was beautiful oh hand gestures eye gestures
39:1139 minutes, 11 secondsit was wonderful to watch yeah thank you and then uh so s character sees sees what we believe is the killer right and he does a foot chase through the
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondswarehouse da d da the bad guy shoots at him are we led to believe he's missing on purpose if that's the case then so he
39:2639 minutes, 26 secondspounce okay so size character then go gets to the very end of the chase pounds open a door Sees a body I'm not a police
39:3339 minutes, 33 secondsofficer Doug you are my understanding is one of the first things you train in weapons training is you make sure whatever you're shooting at you know
39:4139 minutes, 41 secondswhat you're shooting at yeah slly breaks know you could say yeah his head space is we know it's effed up I understand that but he's a veteran FBI agent at
39:4839 minutes, 48 secondsthis point he busts he doesn't even give like the [ __ ] Cobra drop the weapon no he bust the door yeah he bust opens
39:5639 minutes, 56 secondsthe door Sees a body and just shoots it now it turns out the body is hanging whose body is that we're led to believe
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondsas the viewer that is the killer that somehow he had a foot chase against Sly hung himself chained him I was thinking
40:1240 minutes, 12 secondsthat the killer set Sly up at this point that's what I thought I thought it was supposed to he killed an innocent person you know who I thought that was I thought that was the guard that made the
40:2040 minutes, 20 secondscall and the he got captured there's two things happening the person that's hanging on the Chain we're led to believe that he committed suicide side
40:2740 minutes, 27 secondsand then got shot by s's character but I thought it was an innocent person that it was put there that s shot by accident then he was going to go to some sort of
40:3640 minutes, 36 secondsmental hospital jail that's where I thought I was going to go I had a little bit of a whirlwind of emotions during this part too because I I couldn't make
40:4340 minutes, 43 secondsheads or tails of it I thought that the person hanging there was wearing like a SWAT uniform so then I thought oh [ __ ]
40:5140 minutes, 51 secondsthis guy took this guy tied him up and slly just killed him but then I thought wait maybe the guy killed him and hung
40:5840 minutes, 58 secondshim up just as a dummy for something to trip up Sly to get him to shoot something when he came through the door but none of it made any sense except if
41:0741 minutes, 7 secondshe did tie up like an innocent person and just hang him there when Sly bursted through the door he pretty much just killed somebody but it was never
41:1541 minutes, 15 secondsaddressed it was never addressed now according to Wikipedia the plot that was provided by whoever on Wikipedia it just says this that Malloy pursues the killer
41:2341 minutes, 23 secondsin that warehouse only to find that he appears to have committed suicide but as a viewer because we're not idiots the three of us but we were thinking in
41:3141 minutes, 31 secondsmovie well that's debatable well not complete morons can we go with that because yeah we're L believe there was just a foot chase there wasn't
41:3941 minutes, 39 secondsenough time for somebody to hang themselves like even if he wanted to be killed by cop he didn't have enough time to I put this on me got to put this on
41:4641 minutes, 46 secondsme hang myself up play dead get shot by SCE character right I thought at that moment that he had killed an innocent or
41:5441 minutes, 54 secondsat the very least shot his weapon without thinking guy you know shot a dead body already which is still can't look good for a police officer because either way it was somebody hanging that
42:0242 minutes, 2 secondshe shot that's going to look bad on the police officer but we see three months later and when it said three months later I thought oh he's in jail he's either in jail or he's in some sort of
42:1142 minutes, 11 secondsmental hospital no he's sitting in a bar getting drunk your typical Hollywood Bar too like that is the quintessential
42:2042 minutes, 20 secondsHollywood designed bar huge open space I was like oh my God that looks so much
42:2742 minutes, 27 secondslike a a movie bar maybe that is the movie bar like that's the bar they use and then Charles S Dutton does the stupidest effing
42:3542 minutes, 35 secondsthing you buying shares in this place hey kill me
42:4342 minutes, 43 secondsagain listen to me I've been digging around there's this place out in Wyoming
42:5242 minutes, 52 secondsit's a detox C just just hear me out this time it's run by a former cop for
43:0043 minutescops you know if you never met me never knew me she'd still be
43:0943 minutes, 9 secondsalive I'm where I want to be where I should be that's where I am okay I'll
43:1643 minutes, 16 secondsmake you a deal you blow your brains up like a damn man and stop pissing on Mary's memory
43:2543 minutes, 25 secondsone sorry ass day at a time and I'll take care of your tab what the [ __ ] is what's the matter
43:3343 minutes, 33 secondswith you what's the M it's all right everybody it's all right it's all right just a little accident everybody relax what's the matter with you whether you like it or not you still
43:4243 minutes, 42 secondsgot a life to live it doesn't end here Doug is it wise to give a suicidal
43:5043 minutes, 50 secondscop a loaded weapon and say why don't you just kill yourself like a man is that what they is that what they teach
43:5643 minutes, 56 secondsyou and uh reverse psychology cop reverse psychology as if the movie wasn't ridiculous up to this point it it just
44:0544 minutes, 5 secondstakes on a whole new level and then he gets pissed when he shoots it into the ceiling like what are you doing you wanted him to kill himself like are you
44:1244 minutes, 12 secondsmad that he didn't kill himself he didn't think he'd actually let off around inside the bar him shooting the weapon into the ceiling was actually the most surprising part of the whole film
44:2144 minutes, 21 secondsprobably the most entertaining part of the whole film was him actually and and then what is Charles S dton says he says it's all it's okay folks folks you know
44:2844 minutes, 28 secondsjust a joke it was an accident he said it was an accident can you imagine someone shooting a gun in a bar how panicky you would be at that moment and
44:3644 minutes, 36 secondswas anybody above there like a lot of bars have apartments above them is some guy there watching TV and all of a sudden a bullet comes flying through his
44:4344 minutes, 43 secondsfloor can you imagine he like shot a baby sleeping oh my God like that's but that's where this movie could have gone
44:5044 minutes, 50 secondsone ridiculous moment after another not only is he not in jail yeah he still has a job he's still a full-fledged he's still FBI
44:5944 minutes, 59 secondsagent he he's on leave though right sure I don't think that was even stated no when he went to the detox center he
45:0745 minutes, 7 secondshanded in his gun and badge which is your classic when you have your gun and badge that pretty much indicates I am
45:1445 minutes, 14 secondsstill a licensed active active officer I'm trying to think the guys that I I've known a few guys that have been
45:2245 minutes, 22 secondssuspended and they've had to turn in their gun I don't think they've ever had to turn in their bed is is it possibly different Doug if you're suspended with
45:3045 minutes, 30 secondspay or without pay uh yeah might be but he handed in his weapon and his badge at the detox center so he had both
45:3745 minutes, 37 secondsregardless was this seen in the bar before or after he breaks into his old apartment or his old house and it was
45:4445 minutes, 44 secondsbefore he shoots the gun in the air and then he goes to his house that's now been emptied you know it's for whatever reason it's now empty and he goes into
45:5245 minutes, 52 secondsthe living room where his girlfriend was killed and this was actually a moment I was like oh this is kind of like wow Sly
45:5945 minutes, 59 secondsslits his wrists mhm you know speaking of 14-year-old slasher films this is very emo of him
46:0646 minutes, 6 secondsto but he did he knows better it was a [ __ ] suicide attempt he went left to right instead of up and down yeah it was
46:1346 minutes, 13 secondsa cry for help kill or attempt Amateur hour yeah it was he he cut his wrist to feel the pain the pain is real so the
46:2246 minutes, 22 secondsnext scene I guess is him and Dutton driving to the facility cops only rehab facility and apparently there used to be
46:3046 minutes, 30 seconds100 there at one point now there's just 10 which is good I guess they're doing their job they're churning and burning man they're they're helping these officers through their trauma and
46:3846 minutes, 38 secondsgetting them back on the streets but there's nothing more dark and dank about Wyoming in the winter yeah not just
46:4746 minutes, 47 secondsWyoming in the winter which is depressing in itself but you you want you trying to dig these people out of out of the deepest darkest holes in
46:5446 minutes, 54 secondstheir lives and you put them in this Underground underground missile silo where it's just
47:0147 minutes, 1 seconddark no daylight getting in like how is that supposed to LIF anybody's Spirits yeah I love how they explain so Chris
47:0847 minutes, 8 secondskristopherson in a thankless role in fact everyone's role in this film is thankless they have a pretty good plethora of actors you've got Tom Behringer you've got of course the great
47:1647 minutes, 16 secondsRobert Patrick you've got which is a reun he reunited with Sly after Copland that's right you've got uh Jeffrey Wright great actor early Jeffrey Wright
47:2447 minutes, 24 secondstoo right I think the first thing I remember Jeff Ryden was shaft 2000 well mine was actual angel angels in America
47:3247 minutes, 32 secondson HBO was I think where I first saw wow Doug can you outdo that no this was probably the first thing I've ever seen
47:3947 minutes, 39 secondshim in oh do you watch West World he's in that oh he's the guy yeah that's him he also played Felix ligher in Daniel
47:4847 minutes, 48 secondsCraig Bond movies great actor actually he's a great actor so this oh he's tremendous actor yeah so this is yeah no no this is
47:5547 minutes, 55 secondsloaded if you see see this cast on paper you're like a movie guy you probably have to change after you read the cast
48:0348 minutes, 3 secondslist because you're making a mess Sly is the king of incredible assemble casts that produce don't
48:1448 minutes, 14 secondsdeliver with the exception of Cop Land right and I have my you know what's funny I love that movie but I still have my issues with it I feel like there's so much well I said it during our review of
48:2348 minutes, 23 secondsthat that it would have been better served as a uh as a miniseries the same way that Shawn Malloy thought The Expendables was like that I feel that way about copin Copan had Incredible
48:3248 minutes, 32 secondscharacters with that didn't go anywhere everybody needed to be developed at their own there's too much going on there's just too much going on for two-hour
48:4048 minutes, 40 secondsmovie we run a dual diagnosis program
48:4448 minutes, 44 seconds[Music]
48:4548 minutes, 45 secondshere it's a fancy way of saying we're going to detox your ass and then tackle your Demon's head on in Group
48:5348 minutes, 53 secondssessions I was a cop for 12 years before I took a shot out of drinking myself to death so I know what keeps you up at
49:0149 minutes, 1 secondnight going to make it all go away huh not even going to try no magic wands here the [ __ ] you
49:1049 minutes, 10 secondsswallowed doesn't digest you car a weapon Mr
49:1549 minutes, 15 secondsMalloy I'll have to confiscate it need the shield
49:2349 minutes, 23 secondstoo so Chris kristoferson here basically explained means we're going to get you off your alcohol addiction we're going
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondsto deal with your alcohol addiction first and then treat your everything else right isn't that how he explains it
49:3949 minutes, 39 secondssure I think at this point we'll just say whatever we want because I we are hitting well actually I haven't hit the IR Mark yet but we're getting he's gonna
49:4649 minutes, 46 secondshave them detox basically like we're g You're Gonna Go cold derky and then we'll deal with all the mental [ __ ] behind it so we have a nurse there of
49:5449 minutes, 54 secondscourse we have one nurse that works there and she's overworked of course and she of course is you know
49:5849 minutes, 58 seconds[Music]
50:0250 minutes, 2 secondspretty let's get your blood and urine sample see what we're up against our resident psychiatrist was an
50:1050 minutes, 10 secondsAir Force consultant here for 4 years I'll take that when the facility shut down she signed on with
50:1750 minutes, 17 secondsus she's pulling double duty as a nurse till we get fully staffed we used to take care of almost
50:2550 minutes, 25 seconds100 patients here there's only 10 of you cops but judging from your case files I
50:3250 minutes, 32 secondsdon't think anyone's going to be bored I love how quickly a bond forms between her and sly's character even
50:4050 minutes, 40 secondsthough there are younger people there that she could connect with yeah but no s's an old why soul but again we're led to believe he's probably 38 in the fil I
50:4750 minutes, 47 secondsguarantee you they think he's 38 that's supposed to be his character's age maybe 40 now I've seen her somewhere before name is Paulie Walker and I will say say
50:5650 minutes, 56 secondsshe was the best part of the film I like her everybody was forgettable every single character was forgettable from beginning to
51:0451 minutes, 4 secondsend wow so paully Walker poly Walker whatever the hell her name is fell out of my brain the second that movie ended
51:1251 minutes, 12 secondsa lot of waste of cast step Lang Steph Lang was in it do you ever watch you ever watch Tombstone one of my favorite films of all times lot go around here no
51:2151 minutes, 21 secondsmore L dog stepen Lang was the bad guy in Avatar yes he was in that as well that's him yeah he's also in that other one he's in that horror film speaking of
51:2951 minutes, 29 secondshorror films H what was it called where he plays a blind guy in the house oh yeah and he he up all those kids that's a great film he's a great act he's one of those great character actors he was
51:3751 minutes, 37 secondswasted in this film he he also did a movie with Jason Mamoa called Braven which is I think it's on Netflix and
51:4451 minutes, 44 secondsit's we watched it on Amazon Prime I think he either plays his father-in-law's father and he's he's suffering from dementia okay but if you
51:5251 minutes, 52 secondshaven't watched Braven totally in our wheelhouse here it's a great action movie it's like a 90minut kind of Rambo
52:0052 minutesesque like an underrated Jason Mamoa gem if those exist and we had uh I like Jason Mo he's all right Robert prosy the
52:0852 minutes, 8 secondsOld Gentleman who played that RCMP officer that's a face you've seen like a million times yeah he's been in tons of stuff Broadcast News uh Far and Away
52:1752 minutes, 17 secondswith Ron Howard the Ron Howard connection yeah he was actually Last Action Hero Mrs delire he's been in tons of Miracle 34 Street 94 version he
52:2652 minutes, 26 secondsplayed the judge now it's funny because he plays a 30-year veteran this is where the ages really mess I don't understand why they cast him for this he's a 30y
52:3452 minutes, 34 secondsyear veteran of the RCMP he's 68 in the film so that means he started when he was 38
52:4152 minutes, 41 seconds38 now though it's possible yeah I was gonna say not impossible because I work in the same government as RCMP the mandatory
52:4952 minutes, 49 secondsretirement age for military is 60 so there's no way RCMP is any different I don't think they are there's no way they
52:5752 minutes, 57 secondswould let a 68 so at this point in this poor guy's career and I will say his kill the one that he got he got electrocuted remember that part he got
53:0553 minutes, 5 secondselectrocuted by the killer in this film and I would say his kill was the most brutal I felt so bad for this old man getting just beaten to death and then uh then he was electrocuted why do they
53:1453 minutes, 14 secondshave a electrocution table there whatever purpose that Silo used to serve right yeah wasn't it like prison
53:2353 minutes, 23 secondsof some sort before no it no it was an air force test basee come on let's get you checked
53:3153 minutes, 31 secondsin the place was built the 50s it's a command and control center for Strategic Air Command satellites made the facility
53:4053 minutes, 40 secondsobsolete so they converted it into a military assy Uncle Sam put it on the market last
53:4753 minutes, 47 secondsyear it's isolated as hell and that's why it chosen you're the last of our bases to arrive
53:5653 minutes, 56 secondsoh oh see that shows you how much I was paying attention but there happened to be a workable
54:0354 minutes, 3 secondslethal okay so there's 10 cops from 10 different backgrounds with very light
54:1054 minutes, 10 secondscharacter development in this facility that operates like a prison essentially there's nothing in it but concrete and
54:1754 minutes, 17 secondssteel they live in basically cells there's no windows so yeah and it's brin's job to figure out how to get out
54:2454 minutes, 24 secondsoh no wrong movie yeah it yeah it almost acts more like a prison well I guess a lot of rehabs are in some sense but there's no
54:3254 minutes, 32 secondswindows it's in the tundra of course it's winter spoil alert if you haven't seen the film we are now going to spoil
54:4054 minutes, 40 secondswho the Killer is the Killer is one of these 10 cops well he's not a cop though what was he again do you remember the
54:4754 minutes, 47 secondspart where the guy comes floating up in the the icy lake that guy was the real what the hell was his name Scotty or
54:5654 minutes, 56 secondsSmitty or whatever the Frank sler Frank Slater SL so he he stole Slater's identity he killed Slater threw him in
55:0355 minutes, 3 secondsthe lake stole his identity and showed up at the detox okay that's right so help me out with the timeline guys okay
55:1055 minutes, 10 secondsSly is taken to this facility by Charles S dunton's character right how did this
55:1855 minutes, 18 secondskiller know that this was happening it was probably in the paper right you know disgraced FBI agent going into rehab in
55:2555 minutes, 25 secondsWyoming did they advertise that stuff though people's medical no this is what I don't understand let's go back to the
55:3355 minutes, 33 secondsbeginning of the film when they're at the pub they're at the bar remember he says I see you you don't see me the
55:4055 minutes, 40 secondskiller ladies and gentlemen not only is he imitating one of these cops not only does he have a human or superhuman
55:4755 minutes, 47 secondsstrength to do the killings that he did before the facility and at the facility he was actually one of the uh kitchen
55:5455 minutes, 54 secondsstaff bartender at the pub that the cops were at and the reason why you could argue that how he
56:0356 minutes, 3 secondsknew that Malloy was going to go to this facility was he heard the chatter with the cops at the bar so he then goes up
56:1156 minutes, 11 secondsand says well I'm not a cop so I can't get to this facility so what I'm going to have to do is I'm going to have to somehow hide myself kill a cop take
56:2056 minutes, 20 secondssteal his identity somehow trick the dock at the facility that I am indeed this person because I guess it wouldn't any pictures of me it's just name only
56:2956 minutes, 29 secondsbut why V his game is I'm going to f up his detox plan by killing people around him then he'll be my last kill is that
56:3856 minutes, 38 secondsso incredibly risky though if you're in a facility that is everybody else there is law enforcement agent of some kind
56:4656 minutes, 46 secondsthat comes with a certain amount of training and a certain skill set to steal a line from Liam niss it's not like you're picking off slies fiance
56:5356 minutes, 53 secondshere I mean you've got deer that are going to shoot back potentially even more than that Frank Slater the character or the
57:0257 minutes, 2 secondsperson that he took the identity from he's actually a British police officer so now we have to argue did this
57:0957 minutes, 9 secondsimpersonator fake the British accent now the actor who played the British officer or Faked that identity
57:1857 minutes, 18 secondsis actually from Britain so the actor didn't have to fake the accent but did the character fake the accent to do that identity because
57:2657 minutes, 26 secondsthe doc would have to know that this guy's from Britain it was said in the show well wouldn't the modulator pick up the British I kind of feel like if you use one of those modulators if you had
57:3557 minutes, 35 secondsan accent yeah no he's an American worker all he was he was a killer who lived in America and he took a job at the pub that the cops worked at so he
57:4357 minutes, 43 secondscould track Jake Malloy he was an American speaker he then took on a British voice to impersonate the cop that he killed so he came to the
57:5257 minutes, 52 secondsfacility I'm honestly ladies and gentlemen who are listening to this episode if you're still listening I'm not making any of this up this is what happened in the film that's a big if I I
58:0058 minuteswould like to uh highlight if we can um some good acting performances could we talk a little bit about Robert Patrick
58:0958 minutes, 9 secondsand sea Patrick Flanery who had a very small role very small but very I thought
58:1658 minutes, 16 secondsimpactful Sean Patrick flann is basically he's a foot note now I mean there's probably people that are watching that unless they watch The
58:2458 minutes, 24 secondsBoondock Saints they have no idea or they're not going to be like oh my God it's the young Indiana Jones guy well he is coming out with a movie
58:3358 minutes, 33 secondsthis year yeah an MMA movie yeah didn't he go down like the The Mickey R route with with the face like I remember when
58:4058 minutes, 40 secondsthey made The Boondock Saints sequel he looked different he had Mickey worked himself up he does look like a little bit Micky work prodig
58:4958 minutes, 49 secondsyeah well he's 55 now already okay wow a little bit older than I thought well I guess yeah I mean this movie came out 20 three years ago
58:5758 minutes, 57 secondsso but his part when he was talking about the trauma that he went through was it was descriptive
59:0559 minutes, 5 secondsdisturbing they told me to put them in the bag the pieces they're so
59:1559 minutes, 15 secondstiny little fingers every once in a while I get a whole hand or part of a
59:2459 minutes, 24 secondsleg mostly blood was everywhere and little fingers
59:3159 minutes, 31 secondswere rolling around I dropped
59:3859 minutes, 38 secondsI I tried to gather them up there was so much blood I can still smell
59:4559 minutes, 45 secondsit there 21 preschoolers were blown to Pieces some of the fingers still had pain on
59:5259 minutes, 52 secondsthem they were finger painting when it happen and utterly pointless in a movie like
1:00:001 hourthis true I mean seriously get back to the I keep forgetting he played powder and he was also speaking of the saw connection he was in Saw 3D with uh DEA
1:00:091 hour, 9 secondsMeyer yeah and Robert Patrick great actor uh wasted on this film he did a great job the moment when he knew that
1:00:161 hour, 16 secondshe was going to die his face Chang he was like the badass loudmouth [ __ ] talker the whole time but the moment that he knew he was going to die
1:00:231 hour, 23 secondseverything changed saw cliche but it was a job well done by him that's right yeah look we're getting blood from a stone
1:00:311 hour, 31 secondshere fellas so let's highlight where we can highlight how soon did you know it was the British guy was the killer be
1:00:381 hour, 38 secondshonest probably not as soon as I should have admittedly this movie didn't hold my attention very well I knew obviously that was one of the circle of 10
1:00:451 hour, 45 secondsobviously and my my mind was already going like if it's one of these they set it up to be Tom baringer and they also set it up to be
1:00:541 hour, 54 secondsum Jeffrey Wright those are the two it was uh Steven Ling's character cuz he was crazy cuz he killed his North Korean Commander or whatever North Korea he
1:01:011 hour, 1 minute, 1 secondkilled his officing oh yeah yeah maybe you should tell them about Jack hey lady what the hell is he
1:01:091 hour, 1 minute, 9 secondstalking about I don't know bull [ __ ] you tell them where I will Jenny Doc's missing two men are dead now if there's
1:01:181 hour, 1 minute, 18 secondssomething you need to tell us about Jack now is the time you should check his service record already did that the guy
1:01:251 hour, 1 minute, 25 secondswas a patient here oh that's great the son of a [ __ ] murdered his commanding officer over in South Korea strangling
1:01:321 hour, 1 minute, 32 secondswith his bare hands he's a psycho we all know those are red hering they're misdirects we understand that we've seen enough films to know of course that's not who it is because we haven't seen
1:01:401 hour, 1 minute, 40 secondsthem forever I actually figured I'll tell you when I figured it out it was uh when the guy kept being too when the
1:01:471 hour, 1 minute, 47 secondsBritish impersonator was too nice to slide I forget what which scene it was but like oh it's him he's being too understanding too like oh man know the
1:01:561 hour, 1 minute, 56 secondsfirst night's the hardest maybe it was that one you know it's tough here man you know and so it was then I'm like oh you're the killer you're the killer I I
1:02:041 hour, 2 minutes, 4 secondshad a feeling early on cuz it was kind of the case of one of these things just doesn't belong here you're in a room
1:02:111 hour, 2 minutes, 11 secondsfull of like wild really overthe toop crazy mentally challenged individuals guys that have gone through trauma and
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 secondsthen there's this one British guy who's stone-faced and you know really didn't seem to have any trauma on the big
1:02:271 hour, 2 minutes, 27 secondsreveal was there's two things so Sly he he discovered a a match book from the
1:02:331 hour, 2 minutes, 33 secondspub from the bar from the bar in the room of the fake police officer or fake British officer and then two then he
1:02:411 hour, 2 minutes, 41 secondswent to the body of one of the kills they had in the freezer they're they're restoring the dead bodies as they piled up in the meat freezer he opened up the eyelids and he had this weird feelings
1:02:501 hour, 2 minutes, 50 secondslike I thought he was going to perform an autopsy but no no he just he happened like oh this guy's all about the eyes I see you so he's like oh he must be
1:02:591 hour, 2 minutes, 59 secondsleaving a clue in the eyes so he pulled up the eyelid and one eyelid said I and the other eyelid said see you underneath
1:03:061 hour, 3 minutes, 6 secondsthe eyes that was the stupidest calling card trick I've ever seen because nobody looks under the
1:03:141 hour, 3 minutes, 14 secondsgoddamn eye you're trying to send out a message to one individual so underneath the eyelid who's ever going to see that
1:03:211 hour, 3 minutes, 21 secondsokay guys just do it on the on the front of the eye right sure guys keep in mind this British officer guy who's now we
1:03:281 hour, 3 minutes, 28 secondsknow he's the killer he did this somehow somewhere between this guy's death and before he went to the freezer found by
1:03:361 hour, 3 minutes, 36 secondsthe other how did he lift up the eyelid do all that artwork without being caught I'm
1:03:451 hour, 3 minutes, 45 secondsangry well the vots came in guys again I wonder why people want us to review this one I'm not sure we put up three piles
1:03:521 hour, 3 minutes, 52 secondsof crap one of them was going to win I actually think that this movie is sort of held in somewhat regard with fringed
1:04:001 hour, 4 minutestheone fans that got excited about the director's cut and Doug that's the reason the director's cut came out because of fans like that that are like
1:04:091 hour, 4 minutes, 9 secondsoh but you haven't seen detox if you think Stallone's a bad actor you haven't seen detox this movie it's held in
1:04:161 hour, 4 minutes, 16 secondsregard by a certain section of the fandom oh we should have seen the director's cut we'll do a special episode on that no I think it's over I
1:04:251 hour, 4 minutes, 25 secondsthink there's there's a website it's like um I'm looking at it right now there's people is it movie censorship the site the first site that came up was
1:04:321 hour, 4 minutes, 32 secondscalled yeah movie censorship okay because they do really really good breakdowns of what's different between
1:04:391 hour, 4 minutes, 39 secondsunrated and R-rated cuts and I know that I read the like the first paragraph of this one they said this is really unfair because the cuts are so different really
1:04:491 hour, 4 minutes, 49 secondsAh that's interesting and see now I'm kind of curious maybe I don't know maybe should should we do like a mini bonus episode watch the D would you guys be up
1:04:561 hour, 4 minutes, 56 secondsto watching the director's gu I'm kind of curious I'm kind of curious maybe there's a good movie in there if there's a good movie in there I would be open to
1:05:041 hour, 5 minutes, 4 secondsit it would just be an appendage but I mean it would have to be a full hour and 20 minute discussion but we could do like a I'm kind of curious I would say as a project because we have nothing but
1:05:121 hour, 5 minutes, 12 secondstime in our future doing these St films I think this might be a film where a director's cut of some nor variety did
1:05:201 hour, 5 minutes, 20 secondscome out to salvage this film it's basically released the Jim whatever his name is but I'm quickly
1:05:261 hour, 5 minutes, 26 secondsperusing the U movie censorship site it looks like they've done a great job but I don't want to read too much of it because I wouldn't mind kind of watching the film but it looks like it's quite
1:05:341 hour, 5 minutes, 34 secondsdifferent extensively enough that it's quite a lot to read of how it's different I might have a hard time remembering the theatrical cut then well
1:05:431 hour, 5 minutes, 43 secondsyou use this website to remind yourself I I would say but yeah I I hear you uh I might put The Feelers out there to see
1:05:491 hour, 5 minutes, 49 secondsif anyone can get us get us a copy yep hold on a minute though so it says the running time of the running time of this
1:05:571 hour, 5 minutes, 57 secondsfilm is the director's cut is 1 hour 34 minutes and 41 seconds okay it's the
1:06:031 hour, 6 minutes, 3 secondsneverbe seen original version of ICU with its original title oh so okay so the original title is
1:06:111 hour, 6 minutes, 11 secondsdetox that's the version I saw it said detox so Ryan you probably watched the director's cut and didn't even realize
1:06:191 hour, 6 minutes, 19 secondsit are you serious cuz it's an hour and 34 minutes and 41 seconds the call is coming from inside the house right oh
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 secondshold on but it says they listed the direct of the film that is included on the disc in the special features this version is the only surviving copy and
1:06:351 hour, 6 minutes, 35 secondsit was a VHS dub from an avid edit MVD has done a great job with taking this only source and ensuring it's the best
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondspossible quality by reframing out the time code bars and giving us an anamorphic did I watch the ex cut
1:06:501 hour, 6 minutes, 50 secondsalready was it good well no because it seems like our breakdown okay we were talking about the same movie so
1:06:581 hour, 6 minutes, 58 secondseither the director's cut isn't as night and day as we thought but I know for a fact the version that's on tub is called
1:07:041 hour, 7 minutes, 4 secondsICU from what they've said unless in Canada it was released as detox all I'll
1:07:111 hour, 7 minutes, 11 secondssay is if I watch a director's cut and it's as bad or worse than this I'm gonna kill you both what was the source you watched it
1:07:201 hour, 7 minutes, 20 secondson Ryan Andy sent me a copy okay okay right here in ICU version Jake is excited to see the ring and is a little
1:07:281 hour, 7 minutes, 28 secondsKoy about the price but then agrees to buy it change of scene to a pub he's having to drink with his Poli okay the detox version begins with the murder of
1:07:361 hour, 7 minutes, 36 secondsthe cop okay there you go so we didn't see we didn't see the detox yeah we didn't watch the sequence is not very different the I version not even in the moments of violence then come the
1:07:451 hour, 7 minutes, 45 secondspreviously discussed opening credits with the killer calling after that Jake is driven directly to the bunker and takeen to the facility this also doesn't differ from the ICU version in terms of
1:07:531 hour, 7 minutes, 53 secondscontent with the difference that there are several time jumps inter spersed like Jake drinking discussing with the cops coming to the crime scene okay that
1:08:001 hour, 8 minutesdoesn't give us a lot but it seems like are you 100% it said detox on the titles because that was the first thing I noticed oh i' I get because the first
1:08:081 hour, 8 minutes, 8 secondsthought I had when I saw the detox and it was deyin talks yeah was that oh that's the official name of the movie
1:08:161 hour, 8 minutes, 16 secondsthough I don't know why we're debating this I'm looking at detox the same way I looked at the victory he said Victory didn't say escape the victory the version I saw right here okay the opening credits
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 secondsare striking different in the detox version the Montage and fadein are designed differently but here too there is a call from the killer but the
1:08:331 hour, 8 minutes, 33 secondscontent is much clear I did have a call from the killer in the opening version I think you watched the director's gut R oh my gosh your version
1:08:411 hour, 8 minutes, 41 secondsguys here's yours the opening credits of the ICU version starts with a Killer's confusing call to police in which he explains his mindset I heard that
1:08:481 hour, 8 minutes, 48 secondsnatural selection they're only the only option to win lose and death and the police are a disturbing element in this process if you remove the man's true
1:08:561 hour, 8 minutes, 56 secondsface because he's not good by Nature the weak would be eras and as the nature intended that's I seeu yeah a clog
1:09:051 hour, 9 minutes, 5 secondsheadquarters with the many badges as trophies and his handicrafts okay I think I I'm so confused I just don't
1:09:131 hour, 9 minutes, 13 secondsunderstand why it says detox because according to the movie censorship website the only time it was ever called
1:09:191 hour, 9 minutes, 19 secondsdetox was on Jim Gillespie's VHS Avid edit cut that they cro out the time code
1:09:271 hour, 9 minutes, 27 secondsno I saw the ICU version so I'm looking at the side by side Stills are doing here I saw the I saw the because they're showing slide getting the ring then they
1:09:341 hour, 9 minutes, 34 secondsshow during that same time the cop getting killed I think they you know what I'm wondering Ryan the Blu-ray release that they put out back in July
1:09:411 hour, 9 minutes, 41 secondsthe director's cut was a bonus feature I wonder if they just called them both detox for this release because there's a
1:09:481 hour, 9 minutes, 48 secondsBlu-ray copy that I got yeah okay so that's probably what they did they called ripped it ripped it from his BL no Andy yeah let's just say Andy I don't
1:09:571 hour, 9 minutes, 57 secondsknow where he goes but he finds stuff in a heartbeat and gets him to me very quickly so I don't think it's worth watching the director's cut thank you ladies and gentlemen we just a quick
1:10:051 hour, 10 minutes, 5 secondsside-by-side discussion on the website it doesn't seem that there's enough there to Warrant to director's cut viewing to actually to save this film I
1:10:131 hour, 10 minutes, 13 secondsdon't think you can Zack Snyder this film well we haven't even seen the SN cut yet I know it's going be better I know it is I have faith I'm I'm it's
1:10:201 hour, 10 minutes, 20 secondsgonna be four hours with a cliffhanger that will never be resolved Ryan it's going to be bad I don't care I'm a SN supporter I don't care oh I want to end
1:10:281 hour, 10 minutes, 28 secondswith this last thing guys thoughts on the final kill I don't have any are you kidding me I can't wait to one of the first things
1:10:351 hour, 10 minutes, 35 secondswe G to do tomorrow morning is Snip that kill and put it on our Facebook page it was graphic but well I just thought it was hilarious okay was that classic we
1:10:431 hour, 10 minutes, 43 secondssee they have the final fight the Killer and S character they have a final fight in the warehouse barn or whatever Cottage barn and there's like a spiked a
1:10:521 hour, 10 minutes, 52 secondsspike sort of instrument or mechanical instrument and we know that of course the bad guys is going to get impaled on this thing so the bad guy does get
1:10:591 hour, 10 minutes, 59 secondsimpaled and it's actually not too bad he says you know just before your wife die or your girlfriend di she beged for her life blah blah typed out it's actually
1:11:101 hour, 11 minutes, 10 secondspretty call your
1:11:211 hour, 11 minutes, 21 secondsname just I CR the
1:11:311 hour, 11 minutes, 31 secondslife whoa he's really just not quitting being a bad guy sly's character gets pissed off takes him off the spikes then
1:11:391 hour, 11 minutes, 39 secondshe lifts the body above his head with his own super strength and impales him again I thought that was one of the best slide kills I've seen on film history
1:11:481 hour, 11 minutes, 48 secondsI'm not gonna lie I thought it was a great kill I thought the double impale was something I've never seen before pulling them off the impale imping part
1:11:551 hour, 11 minutes, 55 secondswhen he pulled him off the spikes and then like flipped them around over his head and and then like drove him back through the the spikes that like that
1:12:031 hour, 12 minutes, 3 secondswas impressive yeah I now see this or something yeah so I thought that was a a
1:12:101 hour, 12 minutes, 10 secondsmoment of I got to admit in in this whole film of just slasher film whatever it was kind of fun to see a little bit of a old school slly killing of a bad
1:12:191 hour, 12 minutes, 19 secondsguy in all the films I've ever seen and all those impale moments we see in films this is the first time we've seen the victim be pulled off and put back on
1:12:271 hour, 12 minutes, 27 secondsyeah all right well that was ICU ladies and gentlemen what do you think I hadn't watched ICU in close to 20 years and I
1:12:351 hour, 12 minutes, 35 secondsprobably will never watch ICU again no we I'll die never seeing it again it's an easy although I've said that before I said that about the Lords of Flatbush
1:12:441 hour, 12 minutes, 44 secondsand I've watched that again since I know I'm going to eat my effing hat here and I'm going to be talking about this on a damn slide cast episode in two
1:12:531 hour, 12 minutes, 53 secondsyears oh man my final thoughts on it are I think there was a story there if they would have kept the investigation of a
1:13:011 hour, 13 minutes, 1 secondcop killer going even after sly's love interest gets killed you know and and then he's got to wrestle with that not
1:13:091 hour, 13 minutes, 9 secondsbeing able to put his personal feelings aside and it becoming personal like I think there was a story there the whole detox part in snowy Wyoming you just
1:13:181 hour, 13 minutes, 18 secondsthrow right into garbage I got it handed to this guy who impersonated the British officer you know got the British accent did all the killings all the uh
1:13:261 hour, 13 minutes, 26 secondstattooing all the hanging ups and all the stuff that he did and got back in place to trick his counterparts full credit to him and also full credit to
1:13:351 hour, 13 minutes, 35 secondshim to correlate the snowstorm during this time he was able to he just mapped this whole thing out man it's a yeah
1:13:421 hour, 13 minutes, 42 secondsabsolute super villain an absolute super villain it was Emperor Palantine style pre-planning yeah if only he had put his
1:13:501 hour, 13 minutes, 50 secondsall of his his energy towards good can you imagine what he could have done well imagine what he could have done had he just decided just to keep killing
1:13:591 hour, 13 minutes, 59 secondsprostitutes he didn't have to go after the cops I mean he was never caught yeah he could have just picked up where he left off with the prostitutes and been
1:14:071 hour, 14 minutes, 7 secondslike oh best motive in cinematic history of a serial killer is he was interrupted his his prostitute killing was
1:14:141 hour, 14 minutes, 14 secondsinterrupted and he turned his efforts on killing cops like talk about up in the ante it was interrupted by an
1:14:221 hour, 14 minutes, 22 secondsinvestigation that should be the message to any future PR killers on our show that listen to the show you can fully expect to be investigated so just keep
1:14:301 hour, 14 minutes, 30 secondsthat in mind don't let that discourage you oh brother all right well with this has been another great episode of the
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