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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So returning today is one of my favorite guests, a guy who's got a brilliant insight into what's happening in
Robert Kiyosaki:the world, but a lot of
Seth Holehouse:what he looks at is history and the cycles of history and looking at the economics and geopolitics to understand where we're at right now and where we're going next. And that is Martin Armstrong. So today, we're gonna be talking about what's really on my mind, which is all this predictive programming talking about America heading into civil war. And as we're entering into the election season, entering into the twenty twenty four election, it's honestly, it's a toss-up as to what happens. Is it a free and fair election?
Seth Holehouse:Do we have an election? Is there a cyber attack? Are we at civil war by that point? Does everything just go well and maybe things actually are peaceful and some sort of transition happens in our country? I don't know.
Seth Holehouse:But I'll be certainly talking to Martin about that saying getting his insight because he's somebody that has, like I said, a brilliant perspective on what's happening at the world and also understanding where we are and what the cycles of history tell us. So folks, please enjoy this interview with Martin Armstrong. Martin, it's great to have you back on the show again. Thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you for inviting me.
Seth Holehouse:It's always, it's always fun and interesting talking to you. I appreciate because you have this broad perspective, obviously financials, but looking at the cycles of history and geopolitics. And I just find that especially now where I have a hard time looking even six months or twelve months ahead and knowing what life will be like. It seems like we could have a massive blackout, cyber attack, a civil war, a real election, it just it's hard to say. And so you're someone that's oftentimes be able to use your software and just your knowledge, expertise to understand where the cycles are heading.
Seth Holehouse:And so I guess, you know, one question for you, the next six to twelve months here in America, what's that look like for you? What does it look like heading into the election year and just where everything is at? Because it feels like the tension is so it's so tight right now that everything's about to blow up.
Speaker 3:That's probably inaccurate assessment. We have a real problem in that governments are they're out of control. They're desperate at this point. And they know they're losing power. But instead of reforming and listening to the people, it's more of, you know, double down.
Speaker 3:And like I've said, I mean, over the decades, I've been on the opposite side of Klaus Schwab. He's more of an academic and pushes equality and communism effectively. You own nothing and be happy. Well, when they own nothing, they certainly were not happy. You know?
Speaker 3:But so he keeps pushing it where his solution is just to seize everything. Government retains its power and gets more. I look at it from the standpoint that, look, the American Revolution was, you know, no taxation without representation. You know? I look at it from a historical standpoint and said this is not gonna stand.
Speaker 3:And, I mean, every step they take is we are the enemy. They look at everybody as basically a criminal. Like I said, you hire the 16 year old girl next door to watch the kids while you and your wife go out to dinner. Oh, how much did you pay her? Where's her taxes?
Speaker 3:You know, this is what they they they sit there and think about. It's it's really sad. But, you know, that's what the whole CBDC stuff is about. I mean, these people have actually concluded that eliminating all paper money will get them 35% more in taxes. So, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:Whatever you get, you'll still spend more anyhow. So, you know, this is not a solution. You're stripping people of their liberty, their freedom, and you think this is going to survive. It's just not. And so this coming election, I mean, if if you go back to to even 16 and Hillary blaming Putin, oh, I really won, but Putin interfered and all.
Speaker 3:You've had both sides saying the elections are always rigged. And it's it's coming to a a point where this twenty twenty four election, I don't even care who wins at this stage. Neither side's gonna accept it. And if you just look at Trump, it it's showing you how distorted these people have become. Normally, yes, you've charged somebody criminally and they lose credibility and and, oh, he's a scumbag or whatever.
Speaker 3:And Trump, the latest poll shows he's 51% ahead of any other Republican. You know, what they don't understand is that people are turning to him because he's not one of them. That's really the whole thing. It's not that he's some white knight on a on a horse or something like that. It's it's even getting to the point, I don't think they care what he says.
Speaker 3:Just the fact that he's not one of them is good enough. They did the same thing to RFK. I mean, just because he's not one of them from Washington, the Democrats want them off the off the ballot. They don't like anybody from outside of Washington, period. That's the real issue that, you know, they're gonna come in and mess with our sandbox.
Speaker 3:You know? No way. So we have to understand this. This is a a confrontation of government is collapsing. It's collapsing in confidence.
Speaker 3:They refuse to reform. They are you have the neocons that have seized control of of the White House. I mean, Biden is the perfect president for them. I mean, he's really, you know, kinda seen, know, docile and resigns whatever they stick in front of them. That's what they want.
Speaker 3:They don't want somebody who's gonna, you know, ask questions. And so to them, they are afraid of Trump. They're afraid that if he gets back in, he now knows the game and he would fire them. Alright. So, unfortunately, they are doing everything they can to try and create war now.
Speaker 3:From what they're looking at, I can tell you, is that even if Trump won and they got a war started beforehand, he can't exit. That's the the real agenda. If you look at Estonia, they're following the the exact same model as Ukraine, which created the civil war there. Zelenskyy outlawed Russian speaking as a language. They couldn't have their own religion.
Speaker 3:You can't report to Moscow Patriarch. He set up his own narrative in Kiev. Estonia now just passed the same thing. You can no longer speak Russian in in Estonia. And because these countries were part of the Soviet Union, it's kind of like saying, okay, fine.
Speaker 3:Now Texas is part of we're giving it back and it's part of Mexico. Well, how many people there speak, you know, English? It'd be like Mexico saying, okay, fine. Now Texas is is is ours again, and we're outlawing English. I mean, what if the Canadians did that to to Quebec?
Speaker 3:You can no longer speak French. You have I mean, these are are major decisions that are outright confrontational. You know? And so with Estonia attacking, basically, at least 20% of people in Estonia are former, you know, Soviet Union Russian people. They speak Russian.
Speaker 3:Now to say that they can't speak Russian either, you gotta change your line. I mean, this is insane. So it it's it's deliberately trying to provoke a war, You know? And you have to understand most of the propaganda about Putin is propaganda. Inside Russia, his critics are saying that he's too soft, that had he gone in and actually tried to take down Ukraine, this would have been over in six weeks like we did into Iraq, shock and all.
Speaker 3:You know? He only went in to defend the Donbas, and that's why this thing is dragged on and on and on. And so my concern is that if Putin does not win in March, you've got the people behind him are far worse. I mean, they now understand, and they've been arguing with him. Look.
Speaker 3:We're not at war with Ukraine. We're at war with United States and NATO. So you take, like, Dmitry, who keeps threatening nuclear war and stuff like that. They know Ukraine is is just cannon fodder. That's it.
Speaker 3:And so he keeps looking at this as really a war with NATO. So Putin doesn't wanna go there. And you remove Putin in the March elections, we're gonna have a problem. And, you know, they're taking the bait, in my opinion. And it's all for these neocons on our side that do want to create some sort of war.
Speaker 3:I know some of them personally, and their theories have never made any sense. Like, they wanted to go into Iraq, take out the Syria, Gaddafi, stuff like you know? And I had them actually telling me, oh, we we if we remove these dictators and install democracy, the people will cheer that we have saved them. You can you can look at Tony Blair's apology. It's on YouTube.
Speaker 3:And he admits that. He says, well, we thought we would be freeing the people. We didn't realize we subjected them to a lot more violent sectarian laws. They use the same theory on Russia. I mean, you know, I think they're completely insane.
Speaker 3:They think, oh, if we went in there, remove Putin, the Russians will cheer. No. They're not. It's not gonna happen that way. So I don't know if they're delusional.
Speaker 3:What's the problem? I think, honestly, that communism fell when they are just mad that they didn't get to shoot anybody. You know? After, you know, thirty years of the Cold War and stuff like that, and they're the enemy. Well, okay.
Speaker 3:Well, communism is not a sustainable economic system. So that's why it fell. I mean, I was called in by China and to kinda help them become capitalists. And and it was a very interesting experience because I met with people and they were monitoring everything, but they were not interfering. So there were like 249 varieties of tea.
Speaker 3:And it, know, and like, why is this one tea selling for like a dollar here but $5 there? And I said, well, where is it from? Oh, here. Well, I said the first thing you have is transportation costs. And they go, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay. You have to understand under communism, if it was a dollar in one place, it's a dollar everywhere, even if it costs $10 to get there. Right. That's why it fell. So it it communism is not something that is really sustainable, and neither really is socialism.
Speaker 3:So it eventually, you you kill the system. You kill all the economic advances that that can possibly come. That's like Nixon in his famous kitchen debate with cruise chef showing all the innovate innovations in the American kitchen because people were allowed to invent things and think, etcetera, where in communism, none of that took place. You weren't allowed to ever imagine anything. And the only advancement was always nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3:That was it. So it's a it's a huge difference. So so as we this next year, I mean, as of January 1, anybody that has an LLC, any sort of a corporate, you suddenly now have to report to the government who you are, where you are, where you live. If you if you change residence, you have to tell them simply because you own a corporation. And what's this for?
Speaker 3:Oh, money laundering, you know. Well, what's money laundering today? If you have, you know, cash and you put it in a safety deposit box, read the fine print. You're hiding cash from the government. That's now money laundering.
Speaker 3:All right. It started out with drug dealers, but now everybody's a potential money launderer. And I'll get you twenty years in jail. So it's as of 2024, our computer is showing we're heading back into a recession, which will go into 2028 mainly because they're, you know, they're just, you know, between the CBDCs going after taxation, hunting down people that sold a a bike on on eBay for $600, this new corporate law that they're coming out with. Everything is to restrict us every which possible way.
Speaker 3:And that is an infringement upon our liberty. I mean, that's why the founding fathers had outlawed direct taxation because they knew once you you cause impose direct taxation, everybody is accountable. It should have been just indirect, like a sales tax. That's it. And it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:You know, everybody pays their fair amount of tax based upon what they spent. You know? Once you put in the income tax, I mean, 1913, they promised, oh, it's only gonna be on the rich. By World War two, you got the payroll taxes. And now it's right down to everything.
Speaker 3:And and, gee, where'd that 16 year old girl get that money from? You know? It's that's the direct taxation. And that's what the founding fathers had outlawed. And that's why this is all coming to a head again.
Speaker 3:It's not sustainable. And they'll cause civil unrest. I think you're gonna see civil unrest off the charts after the elections. Because it like I said, it doesn't matter who wins. I it's gonna be either side, and both sides will be pointing the finger at everybody else.
Speaker 3:So it it's gonna be some wild times, I think, and 2024 is definitely a shift in trend.
Seth Holehouse:Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
Seth Holehouse:You have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means.
Seth Holehouse:Now, let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today.
Seth Holehouse:What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals.
Seth Holehouse:It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome.
Seth Holehouse:It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than Doctor. Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine.
Seth Holehouse:He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies. So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth advisor that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero.
Seth Holehouse:So what's interesting is you mentioned Ukraine. They come into the system. They pull some strings, and eventually it leads to civil war. And there so there's this movie that recently came out on Netflix, Leave the World Behind, which Barack and Michelle Obama were the executive directors are highly involved in it. And my wife and I decided to watch it.
Seth Holehouse:Okay, what's all the commotion about this? And you can see in a lot of instances, they will project what their plans are. They'll leave these little trails, what do call it, you know, predictive programming and whatnot. And in this movie, though, it's interesting because what they did, they talked about basically this plan, this three step plan to bring down a nation. And it starts fundamentally with disabling and creating a very tense structure of society, which is what we have, right?
Seth Holehouse:Racial division, economic division, all kinds of issues that make people hate the other person across the street. But then what they do is they lead confusion for various reasons. So people start distrusting each other, and eventually it leads to civil war. And they talk about how it's actually the most cost effective way to collapse a society is to create these disturbances that lead to civil war. And then the people end up taking out them each other, leaving the country open for the elites to come in.
Seth Holehouse:And they even they even talk about in this movie, the evil cabal that runs the world. It's very they use those exact terms. It's very interesting. So as we're looking ahead at this, and you mentioned how it doesn't matter which side wins, they're both going to then really refuse to either leave office or refuse to accept the results. And so do you think that leading America into a civil war is their plan?
Seth Holehouse:Do you think that that's where they want this to end up? Because then that creates an excuse for martial law, an excuse for other governments to come in to stabilize things. Is that where you see this potentially going? Mean, you mentioned massive civil unrest. But do you think that we could actually see a civil war of some sort emerge here in America?
Speaker 3:Yes. I mean, you're you're looking at not just America. You're looking at even in Canada. It's it's gonna be east versus west. You go to Germany, it's south versus north.
Speaker 3:Same thing in Italy. Ireland. Britain, the same thing. Scottish versus the English. It's you typically see the separatist movement, which is Ukraine, by the way.
Speaker 3:That is a separatist movement. There was the Minsk agreement. They were supposed to have a democratic right to vote, and that's all been denied. So you'll probably see the same thing emerging in Estonia. They'll be demanding, you know, separatists and we should be able to keep our own language, etcetera.
Speaker 3:The United States will split primarily north versus south. And you can see even the the stark difference. For example, Florida versus New York. I mean, it's our stores are open down here. You see signs.
Speaker 3:Thank you, DeSantis. You didn't lock us down and whatever. You go to New York. I mean, how, you know, how many stores are still closed on Fifth Avenue? Bankrupt.
Speaker 3:Go on. You know, even China is starting to realize you can't shut everything down like that. I mean, that's part of the the problem behind the inflation. I had farmers writing to me they had to kill 30,000 chickens because, you know, because of COVID, they couldn't even get them to to market. No trucker could could come and take them.
Speaker 3:So, I mean, this whole thing is just a debacle of complete insanity, really. Whether it was planned that they knew this is where it would be coming is maybe debatable. But I do know and I can tell you, I swear on my my soul, my mother, whatever, before anybody ever heard of COVID, I was told the virus was coming. I mean, the same thing with just about everything you look at. I mean, they used COVID mainly to exercise power, to get people to lockdown.
Speaker 3:I mean, you still see some people driving around in a car by themselves with a mask on. I mean, it's like, I feel sorry for them. They were really psychologically tortured. I mean, just Google, The Washington Post. Masks did not work in 1918.
Speaker 3:And even Fauci signed on to that study. And I think the title was Masks Were Useless. If you Google that, you'll see that. And that was from the 1918 Spanish flu issue. So, whether or not there is a international cabal looking to invade, I don't really think on that level.
Speaker 3:But what they are doing and what's behind this whole CBDC stuff is clearly Soros' whole idea of open society, no borders, one world government. Gates is supporting that with the with the WHO and everything else that they should have ultimate complete control over everybody's health in the world. Everybody should have ID. He wants to put chips in women that you can turn on or off if they can have children. You have Schwab basically using his influence to push all this agenda.
Speaker 3:And it's really about they use climate change because they say, well, no single nation can fight climate change. It's going to take a coordinated effort. And where is that coordinated effort? The United Nations. So, from that perspective of taking over the sovereignty of everybody is the agenda of that group.
Speaker 3:And, you know, the UN would become the one world government sort of thing. On the other side, they have been borrowing since World War two with no intention of paying anything back. I can tell you when Reagan came to to power, the national debt hit 1,000,000,000,000, and everybody was freaking out. Oh, it's all gonna collapse, whatever. Well, it you know, now we have $1,000,000,000,000 interest payments per year, and there is no end in sight.
Speaker 3:The the problem that these people are creating, there is really disunity amongst a lot of the theories. So you have the climate change agenda pushing one thing, and most people have no idea. If you really dug a little bit deeper, you'll see the first person that brought up the issue in congress was John McCain. Why? Because he was using it as a weapon against Russia.
Speaker 3:Oh, we need to go to nuclear power. Think he wanted to cut off the energy income from Russia to collapse the the economy over there. They did the same thing when Obama was trying to go into Syria. That was because they stopped a Qatar pipeline, which would have undermined China. I mean, Russia at the time.
Speaker 3:And everything they do has been about this war with Russia. So it it's that's really where the whole climate change came from. It was basically to undermine Russia because the the bulk of its economy is selling energy. But now we face this problem with the debts. You have a neocons.
Speaker 3:And why I say it's very dis unified is you have the neocons bashing China over Taiwan. Well, China happened to be the largest holder of US debt. They've been selling billions per month. Hello? Don't you understand what you're doing economically?
Speaker 3:If, you know, bashing China and we're going to go in there and defend Taiwan, blah, blah, blah. Why would China hold any US debt? All right. And that is the problem. Once China has now stopped buying the debt and is is a net seller, the way the collapse comes is not by the the amount that they print or anything of that nature.
Speaker 3:It's when nobody will take the other side. It's no big. Okay? So if you're now attacking China and China is the largest holder and they're not gonna buy you instead anymore, Eventually, you run into the the the same crisis that every major collapse in debt markets has ever experienced. I mean, you can go back to the city of Maine in, you know, in in the fourteenth century.
Speaker 3:You know, it was a big Ponzi scheme. I mean, the once they ended up they kept issuing new debt to pay off the old. And when there was no bid for any new debt, they could not pay off the old and the whole thing collapsed. That's what we are headed towards. And and bashing China and things of this nature causes that.
Speaker 3:Because if we rely upon foreigners to buy the debt to keep this game going and they no longer buy, guess what happens? You can't issue new debt to pay off the old. That's the collapse. It it's got nothing to do with printing money. Oh, the Federal Reserve, all this stuff.
Speaker 3:Just look at history. It's when you can't sell the the new debt to pay for the old. That's when the whole thing comes crashing down. And that's what we're heading towards. Now they know that.
Speaker 3:Okay? And that's why they're moving towards the CBDC stuff. Because another way they escape this is they create, oh, we got these new blue things to replace the green things. And that's what we're really facing going forward. That's the whole object of the CBDCs, eliminating all the underground economy.
Speaker 3:So, anything, you know, you find a hundred dollar bill in a parking lot, where's our 50%? You cheated us, you know. So, this is where we're headed. And that's why they're doing this, because there is no way out.
Seth Holehouse:Hey, folks. I have a quick message for you. Thank you so much for watching and listening to this interview. I have one small request. If you're enjoying what you're listening to, could you please share this interview with one person?
Seth Holehouse:Just one person. Because of censorship and shadow banning, it's so hard to get this content out to more people. And the only way we can really do it is when you help by sharing it. So if you like what you're listening to, hit pause, share it with one person. It helps so much.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you so much. Do you think that they will succeed in that? And also, do you all do you see in this whole process, some sort of populist uprising that ends up taking that power back? Because if you look at it from the perspective that you presented it, you're right, it funnels everything in towards the collapse of this fiat system, and really forcing everybody into this central bank digital currency if that plan goes accordingly. But if there is this populist uprising and enough people see through and refuse to participate, could that be what stops this from being implemented?
Seth Holehouse:I mean, amidst this collapse, do you see that it's a collapse of the systems that keep our lives together and everything keep you kind of stable? Or is it a collapse of this system they're using to control and oppress us?
Speaker 3:Well, typically, most people are oblivious to this. Okay? I'm sure your listeners are are not. However, if we look at history to answer that question, they have to implement it first. All right?
Speaker 3:That is what then makes the majority say, wait a minute. What is going on? That's why sometimes you see people walking around with shirts that say, all the conspiracy theories have become true. You know, all the things people were saying, all this, that, that well, just about everything that they did say about COVID, etcetera, has come out. And and you're gonna see the same thing here, but it has to happen.
Speaker 3:I think their mistake was that COVID was a test to see what they can get away with. And I mean, I had COVID. I ended up with it again, you know, a few months back. It's not life threatening. It's basically the flu.
Speaker 3:Okay? I had the latest version of it. They said, oh, look, it's going to last about three weeks. It's annoying. Yes.
Speaker 3:Did I die? No. It's grossly exaggerated in so many things. But there are people that die of just the flu. You know, they their lungs can't handle it.
Speaker 3:So it, you know, it's it was grossly exaggerated. Shutting down the economies as they did seriously hurt the long term economic growth. And a lot of places have not recovered from it. I think China has has now seen the light that it went too far from what I'm told from sources over there. And it's I think this was the test case.
Speaker 3:They now see if you tell people you're going to die unless, you know, you you listen to us. They, you know, they thought they can get away with it, but I'm not sure they're going to be able to again. If you look at at Germany, there's a real rebellion against that. Even the Greens fell to only 7%. And they were like, you know, probably the strongest green, you know, you know, country, I think, in Europe.
Speaker 3:I mean, they've collapsed to just 7%. And then you look at, like I said, about Trump being 51% above. This is not isolation and and some fluke. Argentina just overthrew the government. Brazil.
Speaker 3:Alright? You look in Germany, the the South basically and Bavaria voted in the ATF. And they were, oh, the right wing. They call them extreme right wing, anybody that just simply is what we would have called middle of the ground before. So you're getting a sea change in in people already.
Speaker 3:Alright? So that's why I look at at the Trump thing as that's what you're seeing. That, okay, fine. You criminally charged him. You've done your best to to ridicule him as much as you possibly could, and he's gotten even stronger.
Speaker 3:This is showing that, you know, people are beginning to say, I don't trust whatever these people are saying anymore. I mean, mainstream media is is become a joke. That's become basically just, you know, the the old Soviet Union problem. And, you know, god help us if they actually, you know, did any real investigative reporting anymore. So all they do is repeat whatever, you know, the the nonsense is.
Speaker 3:And, I mean, even take the the Biden impeachment. I mean, when they impeach Trump twice and now, oh, this is this is all political. What did you think you did? And just because you got away with that, it made you feel good because you impeached Trump. Don't you realize that the other side now has to retaliate in the same way?
Speaker 3:You know, I I can't believe how stupid some of these people are. And the this even the the court of appeals decision in saying, oh, well, Trump's really liable because he was acting as a candidate rather than as a president. Okay. Do you understand what you've now just done? You stripped the immunity of everybody in Washington.
Speaker 3:I can now sue anybody. Well, he wasn't really a senator. He was acting out of his own self interest. So therefore, he no longer has immunity. I mean, you can go after everybody that way.
Speaker 3:It's tearing the very rule of law apart. And when you do that, no country can survive. It was even John Stuart Mills in his a great book I would recommend on liberty. And in there, he says, we have yet to free ourselves of the stain of legal persecution. This is what they've done countless centuries.
Speaker 3:They've used the law to go after opponents. This is not something new. And the outcome is usually civil war. That's what pretty much happens. You just look at The United States.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't even wanna remotely go to California. It's like a foreign country. And, I mean, it's the number one place people are leaving. And you see this even the the IRS data showed all the people, you know, fleeing all the Democratic states. The net, know, result of that, they still need the money.
Speaker 3:So what do they do? They're going to be raising taxes even more. And they never learn a lesson. Never. Civilization is all about everybody benefits, not, well, let's get the rich.
Speaker 3:Let's get these people. We you know, you look at Ukraine. I mean, you know, anybody who speaks Russian or Russian Ukrainian, we have to get I mean, doing that in this once you start dividing people like that, it's all over. It cannot possibly survive. Why would the Donbas over there even agree to be part of of Ukraine when they don't like their language, they don't like their religion.
Speaker 3:And, I mean, it's they should be separated. Simple as that. Everybody has a human right to, you know, live in peace. And, unfortunately, when we see that here in The United States, it's it's like, you know, you're gonna do it the way we tell you you have to. And then eventually, the other side says, no.
Speaker 3:I'm not.
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Seth Holehouse:So you mentioned north versus south type situation, and it's an odd kind of flow of people, right? You have a lot of Californians going to Texas, you have a lot of New Yorkers going to Florida. And so it's strange to imagine how our country would potentially be divided in a civil war, you know, before North versus South was a very logical way that would have been divided. So you mentioned that North versus South, but if there was a civil war that emerged, how would you see that? Would it be certain alliances between a couple states here and there?
Seth Holehouse:Or how could you see that playing out with the just the overall political landscape and and physical landscape of the country?
Speaker 3:Well, if you look at the real economic reason for the civil war before, You had before machines and everything. The first real slaves were coming from from Britain. That's why in the constitution, it says no indentured servitude. If you stole an apple, anything minor, you would be sentenced to three, five years of labor. They would then sell you, to America, to the plantation owners.
Speaker 3:So they would ship you over. The state got you know, the the government got money for for it, but you were being technically a slave. And but nobody paid your way back. And that's why you had Ben Franklin said, well, how would you like it if we gathered all our rattlesnakes, stuck them in a bag, and sent them to to Britain? So the the South, basically, the whole African slave market really took off from from the Dutch after the American Revolution.
Speaker 3:Because once the American Revolution started, then the indentured servitude ended. Then they started shipping them off to Australia, and that's why Australia is called the penal colony. Alright. So it was the Dutch who started bringing the the Africans over after pretty pretty much after the the the revolution. So what was it really about?
Speaker 3:You needed physical labor back then. And so now all of a sudden, you're attacking this the the slave market. Economically, you're you're taking their livelihood away. So cotton and everything else, it was, you know, back then before machines, you needed physical people to do this. So it was more of an economic issue back then.
Speaker 3:And and it became, in all honesty, you you see a lot of the historical writings of the time, it was considered state rights. Why do they have a right to tell us what to do? All right. So that's why still to this day, I think you have that attitude of a state right. We have a right to do our way and not be dictated to, you know, from Washington.
Speaker 3:And that's what the Constitution was initially about. It was the, you know, state's rights. Each state remains sovereign and, you know, subjected to the federal. I mean, even if you look at Russia and the the revolution there, Lenin wanted the Soviet Union to be more like The United States, that each province retained its sovereignty. Okay.
Speaker 3:It was Stalin who said no, central control. So once Lenin was gone, Stalin imposed this dictatorial central control idea upon the entire thing, and individual provinces lost their right to to sovereignty. So, I mean, that's pretty much the at at the core of of separating a lot of places. Ukraine, Estonia, Canada, you're seeing it rising there. Alberta just put in a motion, their sovereignty act, to reject doing following Trudeau.
Speaker 3:So you're seeing it rising everywhere. And it's it's it's against this anti civilization proposition, basically. Civilization is when everybody comes together, we all benefit from coming together. When you start turning one group against another, then the very purpose of civilization no longer exists. And then you start eventually getting the separatist movements.
Speaker 3:And so the way The United States will most likely break up is the South and the Midwest this time will probably be aligned more with the South. Illinois, that area would be more aligned with North because they call it the Bible Belt. I mean, they're against, you know, a lot of things that are also coming out. So, the question would be more from the Pacific states. Do they form a third, you know, entity themselves?
Speaker 3:So it would be the Northeast against the SouthMidwest and California, Oregon, and Seattle, which I mean, California was not part of the civil war because it wasn't a state back then. It was funding it with all the gold out of eighteen forty nine discoveries and stuff, but it was not actually part of the revolution or the civil war per se. So that's what our computer shows, that it would be more of the South slash Midwest Bible Belt together against the Northeast. And since there would not be a straight line of sight from California to the other, I would suspect that maybe you would see the Pacific States being a third entity.
Seth Holehouse:So basically, America breaking up into three, you know, three separate entities amidst that.
Speaker 3:And Europe too. I mean, you're looking at, you know, this the same thing. I mean, even go to Italy. It's the North versus the South. I mean, everywhere you go, you look at Spain, Barcelona versus, you know, Madrid.
Speaker 3:It's you're seeing this rising everywhere around. And I think, it's largely because of this communism collapsed, and we're at thirty four years now for socialism, and it's just simply our term.
Seth Holehouse:And so in the past, when we've discussed this and you've talked about how eventually you saw the governments of most, if not all countries around the world eventually collapsing, you mentioned 02/1930, '2 thousand '30 '2, I imagine that civil wars in multiple countries around the world are one of the major dominoes that really get that started, that collapse of governance until hopefully the good people emerge on the other side of that.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, what we have to understand is that we do not live in a democracy. Democracy would be we have the right to vote. Do we go to war with Russia? Yes or no.
Speaker 3:Even you take back to Vietnam. I mean, the whole argument there was you're 18. You couldn't you weren't old enough to drink and you weren't old enough to vote, but you were old enough to go die. And that's not exactly democracy. You know?
Speaker 3:So we live in really a republic. And if you even look at the pledge in the pledge of allegiance, it says, and the flag and for the republic for which it stands. Not a democracy. Alright? I would like to see that we go to a democracy because republics are the most corrupt form of government, period.
Speaker 3:I mean, even a dictatorship is not corrupt in that way. It can be tyrannical, but nobody's bribing the dictator. The same thing with monarchy. Here you have supposed representatives. And here, what do you want?
Speaker 3:I'll give you this. And, I mean, just look at all the money flow going back and forth between Hunter Biden and and I mean, just all of them. They they go in and they come out multi multimillionaires. Pelosi, I mean, all of them, John McCain. And both it's both sides.
Speaker 3:It's it's not just one side. I mean, I think that's probably what Trump's biggest mistake was. In in draining the swamp, everybody cheered. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3:Fine. But the swamp is both sides. So, even you had the elite Republicans all against it. So, this is really what you have to look at. And we will probably see I mean, the more you try to force one side's view upon the other, the more the greater the the really incentive to for separatism.
Speaker 3:This is not what this country was about. You can go back to Franklin, and he was very proud of Philadelphia because it had churches for synagogues. It had, you know, Catholics. It had it had a mosque. It it had Protestants.
Speaker 3:And everybody got along. It's when you start getting into this, oh, it's them versus us. You were dividing the people. And, I mean, even take this transgender stuff. If you actually Google how many people identify themselves as transgender in the country, it's 0.4%.
Speaker 3:It's so minimal. Why is this such a major issue? It's caused them far more discrimination than they ever have before. I mean, we have an office in Thailand. It's it's probably the sex change capital of the world.
Speaker 3:I mean, they call themselves lady boys. They don't say, well, you can't call, you know, anybody else. We're we are women too. So all of a sudden, you know, your your mother is not a mother. It's a birthing person.
Speaker 3:I mean, what the hell is going on here? You know? In Thailand, they just call themselves ladyboys. They don't say you have to change every pronoun in the entire country to satisfy me. So what is going on?
Speaker 3:This seems to be attempting to divide society. And I don't even think it's them. I mean, we had a gay guy that was on our staff, and he even said, look, there's so many labels now. I don't even know what they all are. It's so they end up getting thrown into the into the same boat with these, you know, transgender stuff.
Speaker 3:It's I think it's largely simply to keep dividing the people. Black Lives Matter, you know, one one of our staff that who's black turned against it and said, look, it was taken over by somebody else. They didn't believe in it anymore. It seems as though whatever these issues are, are being driven by some third party behind the scenes to divide people, etcetera. And if, you know, it's turn everybody against everybody else, as you said, you you bring down the country.
Speaker 3:But at the same time, you don't pay attention to what government is doing. They're not the enemy. It's the guy next door. So, I mean, I watched that movie. It was interesting.
Speaker 3:It is based upon this, you know, you how do you take down a country? You create the civil war inside. And and you can just, you know, go through history and see, yes, that is absolutely correct. So that's why I'm concerned about more of this dividing people for whatever reason you wanna call it, this group versus another group. You look at the Hamas attack on Israel, and all of a sudden, have people supporting Hamas, protesting against the Jews, raising the antisemitism again.
Speaker 3:And that that is to me even worse than Ukraine because the Jews exist in Russia. They exist in in Europe, America, even Asia. So you start creating antisemitism domestically. That further undermines the the cohesion of a society.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly. Exactly. Well, Martin, it's been gosh. I'll tell you about so quickly. It's been wonderful.
Seth Holehouse:Before we sign up, I just want to bring up your website and make sure that we direct people there. So it's armstrongeconomics.com. I'll put that in the link. So people can follow your work and they have access. There's a free trial I think you have for access to your program and everything on there.
Seth Holehouse:Anything else you want to say in closing?
Speaker 3:Well, Merry Christmas.
Seth Holehouse:Yes. Merry Christmas. I'm not offended by that. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, happy Hanukkah. What I mean, it's it's usually a joyous season. I hope it is that way for still a lot of people. Look, these are just trial times.
Speaker 3:They say, you know, the the times that that make real men, you know, but just understand what's really happening. And if you do understand it, you survive it. It's it's when you don't understand what's happening, then you maybe blame the wrong person or whatever like that. Just understand we do have to separate. This is just simply the way it is.
Speaker 3:The right tends to be, you leave me alone, I leave you alone. The left is like, I can't sleep at night worrying about what you're doing. So it it's if you would just look historically, the left is the one that usually starts the civil wars like that. This is just history. It's not politics or anything else.
Speaker 3:It's just we have to look at history as as the guide because human nature doesn't change.
Seth Holehouse:That's very true. Well, Martin, have a wonderful Christmas. Have a happy holiday, whatever you want to call it, celebrating the birth of Christ, right? That's actually what is the foundation of that Christmas season. And thank you again for coming on.
Seth Holehouse:I look forward to next time. Probably it'll be in the New Year, we talk again, and hopefully we're still alive and well with Internet and power and all that stuff. So thanks again for coming on.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you for inviting me and look forward to 2024. Interesting times.
Seth Holehouse:It certainly will be. Thank you and take care.