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Today on the And She Spoke Podcast, we are giving you our pro tips on what you can do to prevent burnout. In this episode, you’ll hear about how modern life is causing us to live unnaturally (and why that contributes to overwhelm).
For so many modern, driven women, life is about being more than one thing. We’re multidimensional—and so are our conversations. We carry multiple identities; we can be both mother and artist; both attorney and entrepreneur. Both clinician and CEO. Both humble and proud. Life for women like us is about both. About…all of the above. It’s about the “and”...
00:00.43
heymarvelous
Hi there and welcome to the an she spoke podcast hey Sandy hi everyone so we are recording this in December of twenty twenty two and we want to talk about how to address burnout and overwhelm this is a time of year.
00:03.44
sandy
Hello Jenny Hello everyone
00:20.50
heymarvelous
A lot of people are feeling overwhelmed, especially women I feel like so much of the holiday season is really up to the women in the family to kind of hold space for everyone else to have festivities and enjoyment regardless of what holidays you celebrate and practice so that's I think ah for a lot of us. Um, a great. Responsibility. You're going to be listening to this I believe the last week of December so you're really, we're all just really coming off of the season of of this festivity when you're listening to this but you know. I think this also goes in into the new year as well like this feeling of overwhelm and oh my gosh. It's a big responsibility to start a business or to grow a business How do I think of all the things and do all the things. So Sandy you and I just wanted to chat a bit about how folks can. Deal with burnout how they can prevent burnout how they can deal with feelings of overwhelm and I think as is natural. We have different perspectives slightly different perspectives on this. But I think they both end up in the same place so we wanted to share that. Yeah.
01:19.20
sandy
Um, I think so we just get there differently. Yeah exactly? Um, so I think we just should acknowledge that overwhelm. And it's sort of sister confusion. Um shows up a lot in women in business and I think I think it's one of the reasons that people quit or just sort of spin and get nowhere is because they just sit in this place of of overwhelm and I think from an evolutionary standpoint if we want to go there for a second. Overwhelm is like all these choices that we have in front of us are not natural like all these decisions all this excess all this too much like we used to have like 1 thing to eat each day we had like 1 fire to keep us warm. We had just we had very simple decisions to stay alive and in this day and age there. There's we're just bombarded and like you said even more so during the holiday season and it's it just it can just be breaking just like mentally breaking all the things. So I think it is worth a conversation. Um, and then you add on onto that like a woman trying to do all the things for family and and holidays plus run a business and it is. Completely ah can lead you to overwhelm I totally understand it pressure pressure kirker yeah at the best of regardless of what month it is. It's always feels like a pressure cooker and.
02:35.97
heymarvelous
Bit of a pressure cooker. Would you say.
02:44.18
heymarvelous
Wait Wait Sandy since you brought up evolution. Can we talk about my little aside my weekend because I just wanted to talk about this on the podcast. It seems like the perfect time. So I spent the weekend going to Tiny House southwest.
02:51.72
sandy
Yeah. Sir.
03:03.13
heymarvelous
Or no tiny fest southwest which is a tiny house like Rv kind of van life festival if you can call it that there were people with stilts that terrified my child. So I think it's kind of a festival and um I went to speak this. Listen to this man's speak named Bob Wells who's a big youtuber I think he has over half a million subscribers and if you saw the movie nomad that came out a couple years ago about that woman that kind of lives in her van and anyway he he gave a cameo in that film but he talked about the same thing like as humans. Like what feels not the reason so many people are gravitating and I gravitate obviously towards like travel and rv life I have an airstream a lot of folks know that um is because like evolutionary evolutionarily speaking we lived like that for millions of years like humans and the ancestors of humans like we.
03:48.65
sandy
Down here.
03:54.64
heymarvelous
Lived small like like you said we had like 1 main objective in the day and that's how I feel when I'm traveling. It's like where are we going to sleep. how are we going to cook our meal like how are we going to find electricity. How are we going to stay warm. How are we going to stay cool like that level of problem solving I think is really natural to humans and that's like. You know, five choices a day or whatever you wear this in clothes every day. It's like it's simple and I think that there's so many of us craving simplicity because we stare at screens where there's millions of things going on around us all the time and we have activities and. Schedules and soccer practice and swim practice and commutes and like it's more than our little human brains are used to taking and so I think that our society has evolved and our culture has evolved faster than our kind of psychology has evolved in our emotional capacity to deal with. All of this complexity and that is like yeah and maybe they shouldn't yeah so ok so what do we do? Sandy like.
04:49.77
sandy
It's like they haven't quite caught up yet to what this world is like the external world. Yeah, and maybe they shouldn't Yep I Totally agree with that? Yep well.
05:03.61
heymarvelous
You are a mindset coach like how in the world is a person supposed to navigate this.
05:06.10
sandy
Yeah, well I first before we even go there I just want to like acknowledge what? what sets what overwhelm sets in motion. So when we decide that we are overwhelmed and it is a thought that causes an emotion we can talk more about on a sec but it's this emotion of feeling overwhelmed. And from that place I think we all recognize this we are just paralyzed with inaction. We cannot make a decision. We can't say oh how do I do this or how can I solve this. We bounce between like flipping here tab to here to there. Maybe we just like shut it down and go watch Netflix or go shopping on Instagram or scrolling or something but we don't solve the problem of what we think is causing the overwhelm. So. I think like that in action is what is the main thing that happens and I just want to acknowledge if you are feeling like that. It's worth it to sort of ask yourself. Why am I feeling what am I thinking? Why do I feel so overwhelmed and it will always come back to. There's too much to do. Don't know what to do. There's not enough time. Um, what else like those those are pretty much the it's usually about time and amount of work or amount of tasks like I don't know what to do I I don't have enough time I'll never get it done. There's just so much to do.
06:31.84
heymarvelous
Okay.
06:33.17
sandy
Right? That's that's the overwhelm. So I Think the first thing we just need to acknowledge is that the overwhelm is an emotion. It is a sensation of feeling in our body and always emotions are caused by our thinking so we like to blame external circumstances like um. How many tabs we have open on the computer or how many tasks we have to do or how much my thing this weekend was how much copywriting there is to do we want to? we want to blame the external things and those things are causing me overwhelm. But in fact, it's that intermediate Step. It's the thought I have too much to do. I don't have time to get all this done that thought that sentence that sort of um, you know playing over and over again in your air head those those that kind of interpretation of the external circumstances is what causes the overwhelm. So I Just want to be really clear that it's not outside World. It's. Inside world that causes overwhelm.
07:29.14
heymarvelous
And yeah I totally get that and I also think there are things that we can do to minimize the amount of stimulation that we experience in our lives and in our businesses and I think that that's a healthy practice that gets healthy to minimize that.
07:33.75
sandy
Yeah, yes.
07:42.56
sandy
Yeah I I Love the idea that look what you are saying about that like the brain just hasn't caught up right? like we we we weren't designed to live in this kind of world with this much stimuli and this meant this many choices. And this many things buzzing around us. So I think it's really helpful to recognize that and know that there's nothing wrong with us right? It sound like we're some kind of something's inherently wrong that we're not able to cope in this World. We actually weren't designed to live like this or to thrive in this environment.
08:17.38
heymarvelous
And Sandy can I give an aside to that also sorry for the barking dog. So yesterday I live in a place now where I can go to places like big box stores unfortunately or fortunately depending on who you ask and we went to cost go to go grocery shopping this weekend and.
08:20.48
sandy
Yeah.
08:36.26
heymarvelous
My daughter saw a phone like an old like ah a cordless phone for sale at Costco and she very honestly asked what is that thing like she didn't know what it was and I just realized like how far we've gone.
08:49.93
sandy
In in a short period of time. Yeah.
08:53.49
heymarvelous
And I I mean like I'm for every generation everyone feels this way but like really how far have we gone that a kit an elementary school kid doesn't know what a phone looks like like a non-cell phone like a non smartphone like she doesn't know what a flip phone is either and so I'm just thinking like.
09:03.00
sandy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:10.60
heymarvelous
Wow Like what like it's just Rapid pace like technology moves so quickly and it's accelerating every single year and we can have lots of conversations about what that means for humanity and we will I think on the show. Um, but I just I I think that it behooves us to just. Pump our brakes where we can in our lives because like things that we accept as normal are not actually normal like they're normalized very recently and maybe like it's not healthy that they're normalized.
09:35.60
sandy
Not yeah.
09:44.99
sandy
Yeah, no I Totally agree, totally agree. It is kind of scary. How fast it's moving. Um, but like also here we are right here we are in this world and um so I think let's talk about maybe some of the solutions and how to handle it.
09:47.68
heymarvelous
So fast. Yeah yeah.
09:59.86
sandy
And so the antidote to me is always constraint right when we let our brains go running wild. We shut down are paralyzed so it's always constraint. It's always about limiting the amount of choices that you have in front of you sometimes like um this weekend. You and I are starting this quiz which will probably be live on the website by the time this is this heirs. We're doing this quiz about like what is your marketing archetype and there's like a lot we we got we got through it. A lot of it. But there's like all these little bits that need to be done all this. All this copywriting that I want to go through and kind of um make even better and then there's there's all these other things I have to do for copywriting and I just on Saturday it's the weekend I'm trying to take time off but I'm feeling like tightness in my chest I feel like just tense everywhere and it's because I felt overwhelm. So all I did was I took a piece of paper and wrote out all all the things that I have to do and it was like 6 things I'm like oh that's ridiculous. You know and I just like realized which ones are important for now and which ones I could focus on later. One of them being a Christmas thing a Christmas special that you and I talked about. And we't even have a date for it and here it is in my head takingking up space and making me feel overwhelmed when it's not even the legit thing right? There's no due date for it. So the thing is like there's always always a solution. But if you stay in overwhelm and think that that's normal and it's the.
11:32.52
sandy
The world is causing it. You won't discover that solution. You won't get to a place of problem solving or figuring it out so we need to constrain limiting the number of choices. Deciding what's important and what's not what do we really need to do? What do we not need to do? What do we need to do today. Can we put it on the calendar for January does that sometimes that just feels better like I know what I have to do and I've got it planned out and so I don't have to constantly think about the email sequence that I need to do in January First week of january like I can just let that go you know so it's constraint and you have some ideas on that to take a little different twist on this.
12:10.54
heymarvelous
I Think it's actually the same thing. But for me, it's It's yeah, like getting something down on paper is always a relief it just like takes the pressure out of your mind to have to remember it and organize it somewhere in your brain like I use external systems to organize all of my thinking and. Take great pleasure in that I think that's the other thing for me is um, writing it down but then also like organizing it in a way that I will be able to come back to it in a helpful way later and figuring out those systems for myself like I study the way other people do this in how for years and years and I think it comes.
12:39.37
sandy
Um, of night.
12:48.65
heymarvelous
From probably graduate school or law school where you're just like you just have too much thrown at you to actually humanly do the work and and just remember it in your head and so it's like this 15 year process of coming up with my own way of tracking things. But I I think that it's it turns something from this chaotic. Feeling of overwhelm that you're talking about into something that actually feels like delicious. It's like a delicious feeling for me to take something and write it down and then like move it to its place. It needs to be outside of my brain.
13:18.71
sandy
Yeah, yeah, you know, um, somebody said oh is Chris Plackie actually she said to us to to the 2 of us are you too. You need to action your way out of your problems and I think.
13:28.30
heymarvelous
Yeah.
13:30.46
sandy
Think that is that's a great way to look at overwhelm like the antidote is like constraint and like what is the action. You can take like you're saying like the systems planet put on a calendar pop it into whatever Monday whatever platforms that you use or a piece of paper or spreadsheet or whatever like you have to.
13:36.40
heymarvelous
I know.
13:48.72
sandy
Action it you have to make a decision I'm going to try this and I'm gonna make another decision I'm going to not do that I'm going to make another decision and that is how you get out of your overwhelm and then it's just honestly, it's just a practice of constantly doing it again. Oh here. It is again here I'm feeling Overwhelmed. What am I thinking what is too much what can in like. Plan all the things that you have to do you? Usually it's things to do? What do you have to do when are you going to do it. How long. Is it going to take you that kind of thing right? right? So It's um I think it's decision in action and that will get you out of the paralysis of overwhelm.
14:14.62
heymarvelous
Who.
14:21.28
heymarvelous
Yeah I will say like for me and I wonder if others relate to this who are listening I don't really ever feel overwhelmed by the amount of things or the amount of work like that doesn't It's like not really possible for me because once something is organized in my systems I don't ever feel overwhelmed. Like sit down I Love the idea of working and I only do things I Really want to do in life like I try to make that my my life about that that I really feel called to do and so for me all of the the negative feelings are around indecision and so I think for a lot of people that indecision is ah is maybe around.
14:53.85
sandy
And.
14:59.79
heymarvelous
They have so many things to do and they haven't figured out a system for organizing how to do them or or like or um, putting them in an order something ordering their importance and so that that is get prioritizing. Thank you. That's like the problem. It's not the actual like I think most of us if we think about the tasks like in in your case any copywriting like you love.
15:00.66
sandy
Yeah, yeah.
15:09.10
sandy
Um, priority. Ah.
15:19.89
heymarvelous
Copywriting right in the act of copywriting is like this joyous thing for you. So it's not the work. It's like the fact that you have all these things floating around in your head that are not organized into an order or you don't have you don't maybe maybe is it that you don't feel like you have time to do them all.
15:35.71
sandy
It's it's it's the fear. Um, now This is a really good point because I would say like I have all this copywriting to do fine but my fear is like. I'm not going to get it done in the time that it needs to get done because there'll be we want to get the quiz Out. We Want to do this whatever we want like there. There will be deadlines at some point So My fear is I won't be able to find the words when I need to so the earlier I start the longer I have and the better chance.
16:00.66
heymarvelous
Um.
16:04.21
sandy
But what that does is. It's just like I'm always writing I'm like never stopping right? So this weekend I took Sunday completely off and just told myself this is how you're going to get better copy is by just stopping and doing what other things right? So I think.
16:05.71
heymarvelous
Um, yeah, yeah.
16:22.65
sandy
Like what you just asked me is really important and that's so for all of you feeling overwhelmed like what am I feeling what am I believing what am I thinking then you can identify the problem and then you can go after it but more help for helpful thoughts and I did use that this weekend is like. I Have enough time like there is enough time if I can start repeating myself and that's a hard one I know for some of our clients who truly believe that they just don't they literally don't have enough time like that's a fact but like also I'm going to figure this out I'm going to figure it out.
16:49.91
heymarvelous
Are.
16:53.75
sandy
Yeah I'm overwhelmed I got all these things but I'm going to figure it out I'm going to figure out Jenny's system I'm going to figure out whatever I'm going to figure out what I need to do how I can how I can what do I need to learn is always comes back to this. What do I need to learn how do I need to think or what skill do I need to pick up to to be able to deal with this.
17:08.93
heymarvelous
And.
17:10.77
sandy
Right? And the other one I use all the time too is like I'm going to give myself an hour sixty minute hour 60 minutes 30 minutes whatever the amount of time doesn't matter I'm going to limit the amount of time and I'm going to put my brain dot fm on I'm going to write for that hour and see where I am at but that's all I need to focus on like that's it. That's it.
17:28.71
heymarvelous
Um, a.
17:29.63
sandy
Just so it's the constraint this one task in this 60 minute window and then I can you know deal with other things later.
17:36.15
heymarvelous
Yeah,, that's the system. That's why the system works because it it it builds in the constraint like you or like so so for me, that's the answer is you organize all the tasks in the prior and then you prioritize them and you sift them into their categories and your. You have like time blocks on your calendar that you do certain tasks from certain categories in the order that they're in right? and so it's like it's to me very logical and so and I Also think that being the bosses helps us like for me because there are no real deadlines like any deadline is flexible and so I think that. When I have been in positions in my life where I have like true external deadlines I feel more of the there's not enough time stress that you're talking about but in the current iteration of my life like when when you're an entrepreneur you have very few like hard deadlines like you make up your rules right? So So I think I don't.
18:20.19
sandy
Um, yeah.
18:31.70
heymarvelous
Want to stray from my self-imposed deadlines unless I really need to but I also always know that I can and so I think that there's an there's a kind of piece that comes from that just like it's ok, it's not a big deal like I putting it for 1 hour on the calendar and I'm going to try to finish it and if I don't I like I don't really care.
18:38.61
sandy
And henna.
18:50.50
sandy
But I.
18:51.77
heymarvelous
It's ok, that's also the benefit of entrepreneurship.
18:55.16
sandy
Yeah, yes I'm I'm just thinking back to a recent coaching call where people were overwhelmed by some emails that they needed to write because there a lot of them are doing challenges in in January and a lot of like there is kind of a deadline because you've announced publicly that this is going to happen.
19:03.89
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:13.54
sandy
And um I mean you arguably you could say well we're going to delay it but not not a great move. But it's like sometimes also that deadline is what you need the pressure to be like okay this is good enough this this got to go out like this email's got to be sent to the list about signing up for the challenge or whatever it is right.
19:23.92
heymarvelous
Um, yeah.
19:31.31
heymarvelous
Yeah, you know Sandy the other thing I just in cases is helpful for people I realize 1 thing that I do like so I have like my work professional life categories and organization and time blocks on my calendar but then I also have like.
19:32.81
sandy
Um.
19:48.30
heymarvelous
A bank of things I want to do for fun. This is probably really type a like maybe other people don't do this but like all my craft projects like I have trello cards for them like I was now I'm just going to say this that like this brings so much relief.
19:58.00
sandy
Oh my god.
20:06.79
heymarvelous
So I Give myself time constraints and yes I could extend it I could delay a launch I could do whatever but I also know that if I just say hey this is good enough and I'm going to finish when this in within this window then I can go do something that I really want to do for fun. Like So. It's like a reward system like if I if I take if I don't follow my system I don't get to have the reward of my system which is like to make a barjello coin purse or to take an oil painting class.
20:26.80
sandy
Booming Yeah, that.
20:36.40
sandy
Ah I that makes me so anxious is listening to that I would like freaking rebel again I'd be like I'm doing barjello now system like don't you tell me I would hate that. That's so interesting.
20:45.28
heymarvelous
I Know you were and tears. Yeah.
20:53.51
heymarvelous
I Love it. It works for me So well, it's so it's so helpful and there are other people like me so I'm offering it up.
20:55.78
sandy
Oh.
21:01.56
sandy
I sure there are. There's probably more like you than than me but I could not like I will you know on like Sunday no work. But I am not going to be like coin purse. Whatever you just said cross stitch crafting.
21:18.24
heymarvelous
It's not cross stitch. It is a 1970 s italian form of crafting and it's not cross stitching. It's not cross stitch. There's no crossing. It's only vertical stitching.
21:25.82
sandy
I've crossed it.
21:31.41
sandy
Ah, stitching vertical stitching. Oh no, no, it reminds me of those like Knit Barbie doll things that covered toilet paper rolls.
21:33.44
heymarvelous
Vertical stitching.
21:41.36
heymarvelous
You better stop while your head Sandy have you it's because you've seen my tissue paper co seats. So's about your yeah, you're actually making fun of me now. But here's the thing here's the thing.
21:44.38
sandy
Ah, that's what it makes me think of.
21:53.71
sandy
Ah I know I forgot that that was.
22:00.40
heymarvelous
This is like this hobby is is an intermediary hobby because it's fast and doesn't make a mess until I get to the full. Yeah, like until I have the mental space to really go all in on a bigger messier and more intensive project I do small.
22:10.20
sandy
Loom.
22:16.61
sandy
Oh my God but.
22:19.85
heymarvelous
Meaningful projects that I can finish in a day so that I get the dopamine head of finishing it.
22:22.99
sandy
Like ah all right I'm still working on a knitting project. That's taken me over a year because it's so complicated. Okay, let's you want to join hustle. Yeah.
22:35.78
heymarvelous
Yeah, we can do join hustle.
22:38.19
sandy
So the joy is barjello.
22:43.97
heymarvelous
We've done that one before I want to say the joy is I think everyone should go and watch Bob Wells's Youtube channel because he is like so.
22:44.55
sandy
It I. Yeah, Oh yeah, that's right, Let's get on him. Yeah, that would.
22:56.70
heymarvelous
Someone that you wouldn't normally if you're listening to our podcast you probably wouldn't normally follow or know who he is um I think he's an incredible activist because he teaches people how to kind of get out of the Rat Race by choosing to like truly minimize their.
22:59.32
sandy
Come up.
23:08.34
sandy
Get police but to become that like true.
23:14.97
heymarvelous
Footprint in their existence and like he teaches people who are struggling financially to go like how to live in their cars. For example, how to be safe. Um, how to take care of themselves and I think he's um, he's actually like a really brilliant, incredible person and I would just encourage you to check out his channel and it's called Cheap R v.
23:16.89
sandy
People are struggling to of state. Um cares and activities. He's actually incredible. What the are 2
23:33.22
heymarvelous
Cheap RV living but he shut up Sandy nothing. He's clear guy. He is like salt of the earth man and I just it was just such a joy for me to hear him speak and I just.
23:37.34
sandy
Like being clear um, is exactly you? Yeah yeah.
23:46.90
heymarvelous
If if that kind of idea resonates with you. It's not like fancy minimalism like minimalism I feel like has gotten commodified and you know like the people who are preaching and teaching minimalism are a little fancy and I think that if you really want to get down to the true ethos of what it means to be simple to live simply like it's it's.
23:52.50
sandy
Come up my hope you know or prehu teachingism I will be economic the truth of what needs to be. It here? Yeah yeah, no I'm interested in that that that actually sounds I will check that out. Okay Hustle Google Calendar tasks
24:05.92
heymarvelous
Helpful to at least hear what this guy has to say.
24:22.69
heymarvelous
Joe we're gonna edit this out hold on a second um, got a new pen.
24:22.85
sandy
Yeah, full.
24:33.28
heymarvelous
Ah, Jesus hold on why we should have thought of this. We have the hustle for the other one or the joy. Um, ah, let's see.
24:36.86
sandy
Um.
24:49.77
heymarvelous
I can do you know what? I've started using Evernote again and I am using that little do use that little clipper thing at the top of your screen. Okay, okay, let's do that. Let's do that. Okay, so.
24:52.34
sandy
Oh yeah I Love evernote So not often. But I know what you're talking about I used to I kind of okay's yeah, okay so.
25:07.28
heymarvelous
Okay, so the hustle for the episode is something to help you organize your thoughts and get them out of your head and it's Evernote and we've talked about evernote before on the podcast. But I think both of us still use. Evernote I just recently came back to Evernote after being like really.
25:07.37
sandy
Okay, so.
25:15.42
sandy
And get the and protect. Still, he is.
25:26.92
heymarvelous
Heavy evernote user for many years and then I kind of took a break and now I've incorporated it into my process and I use this little evernote like desktop top bar menu on my mac. It's like the um you download the app for Mac if you are a mac user an Apple user on your computer and it's like this little. Note clipper It's called quick note you open it and you can just start typing and I have been using like the Apple notes app a lot for the last few years because really out of laziness but it's really hard to organize those notes like the folder system isn't very good. It's like it's really clunky.
25:49.69
sandy
Take a start I air.
25:59.47
sandy
Yeah, and that's true and.
26:04.95
heymarvelous
And I I have like noticed that I use that more than anything for the last couple of years and it really has affected my process because I have to spend hours every week going back through my notes and so now I simply put everything into the quick note feature of Evernote. You click convert to note and then it goes into your little inbox and evernote and then you can sort it and like tag it and categorize it later. So like if I'm you know on a website and I want to like copy a quote or a link or an image or whatever I just I like or jot down a quick thought. That's what I'm using and it's working really well.
26:27.34
sandy
Copy the quote.
26:37.70
sandy
Um I love love love evernote all of my like mindset stuff every time I learn something listening to podcasts I note I like Jot a note down or a phrase or a way to teach or talk about something different. So I have ah ah a notebook called overwhelm and every time I hear someone say something valuable about that topic I just make a different note and then I can just go and look at all the someone's overwhelmed I can just sort of review. The notes you know before.
26:51.21
heymarvelous
So. Um, yeah.
27:02.86
sandy
Um, so yeah I haven't used I used to use that a long time ago I forgot about it So I'm gonna I'm on the event. Yeah, it's not there anymore. Yeah I yeah.
27:07.14
heymarvelous
Yeah, probably like got bumped off your computer when you updated your operating system or something. Yeah I just decided to to redownload it and it's it's making a huge difference like I'm going to take I'm going to calendar block it one day and I'm going to go through my Apple notes and like convert them into evernote notes. Like just take a year's worth and take a couple hours just so that I can I I notice like how much struggle it is to go find something that I remember taking notes on like six months ago that's important now it's relevant and that's hard to find so um I think this these kinds of tools really do help our modern brains.
27:31.32
sandy
An f.
27:43.53
heymarvelous
And it's it's like you can go record a voice memo. You can be walking your dog think of something that you want to write an email about or write a blog post about or whatever record a voice memo jot down a few things and then go slide it into an Evernote when you get back to your computer and it's just going to be so much more useful for you to go back and get that. Yeah.
27:56.79
sandy
Yeah, and then the search on evernote. That's what I love is like I don't remember what notebook I put it in but I can just search a word in all of it. It comes up really nicely. The only bad thing that we discovered about evernote is like you can't if you're working with a partner like you can't both be in the document at the same time.
28:05.42
heymarvelous
Yeah.
28:14.20
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah I agree I remember that was that was and you know we used to like do our slide shows in evernote too.
28:15.78
sandy
You can do shared notes but then you can't edit oh it was a mess and it doesn't work like Google Google um, yeah, but other than that it's great.
28:27.85
sandy
Yeah, yeah I use that ated at a networking thing and they're so fast to create. Um, yeah, it's amazing, amazing with a pink cursor with the tail. It's great right? All right.
28:30.97
heymarvelous
So easy. It's like black with white text. It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Evernote if you if you haven't used it. You should download it if you have used it a long time ago and you think it's kind of pass a I encourage you to revisit it.
28:47.39
sandy
Amazing! Thanks Jenny. Okay bye.
28:50.54
heymarvelous
All right? Thanks Sandy! We'll see you next time folks.