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I'm getting ready to lay my head down and as soon as I close my eyes, the demon comes up right in front of my face and it blew its hot nasty breath on me. Wow. And then it started talking. Was like, after that I was like, this stuff is actually real. I was delivered from seven demons.
Kam:Like it felt like something was dragging me on the ground. I was flying across the ground.
Micaela:To the person that's listening, they have one foot in one foot out. What would you tell them?
Kam:So for the one that is in between, imagine if Jesus was in between. That was a long story. I'm sorry.
Micaela:No. That was amazing. I I think it helps so much too to understand like where your mindset was right before and after.
Kam:Mhmm.
Micaela:Because there is that switch where it's like, I'm gonna live for me versus living for God. And it realizing what God has done for you sounds like that was kind of the thing that pushed you where you're like, God saved my life. Like when I had nothing else, he was there for me. Yes. TikTok can't do that.
Micaela:Your followers can't do that. You know what I mean? So it sounds like that's where it finally elevated the realization that was like, God is everything coming to that point. So, dude, that's absolutely insane, though. I can't even imagine, like, especially after having, like, a false alarm too.
Micaela:You know what I mean? So you're like, oh, like, we're just chilling. This is just another one.
Kam:We started laughing, like, when the when the second was like, oh, there because it was I think it was no. It's in June. I thought I thought to say it was gonna be April fool's joke. I thought they were just joking with us. Mhmm.
Kam:Because tension was high all day. I thought someone was just playing a prank. No. Yeah. That stuff was real, bro.
Micaela:Dude, praise God for showing up though. That's the thing. Like, makes me think of the story of, like, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego of, like, where you wouldn't think that you would be in a situation where God would be coming through and he does. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Micaela:It's like calling on the most powerful name. Yes. You know what I mean? So I love that. Yes.
Micaela:Praise God for that. You know what I mean? Come on. Like, that's absolutely amazing. So I totally now see why the sudden switch, though.
Kam:Yeah.
Micaela:Like, a near death experience will do it. Yes. Literally. It's I get that. So, like, what would you say then, like, after that, what in your life changed after fully committing to Christ?
Kam:Because Yeah.
Micaela:For me, it was a little bit of a process. I'm curious if it was just, overnight, like, you were, like, I'm throwing away everything, doing everything. It was a slow trickle.
Kam:It wasn't. When I came back from overseas, I said I was gonna dedicate my life to Christ as far as using my social media to serve the Lord, to start talking about God. But I started seeing my followers were going down. Mhmm. So I went back to doing other stuff.
Kam:So when I came back from overseas, it started like I post like three or four videos of Christ and then I saw that they weren't really as because I'm I'm when you're when you're bringing in millions of views every video, hundreds of thousands of likes, hundreds of thousands of shares, but then you post them about Christ and you get a couple thousand. You know what I'm saying? It's kinda like, yeah, I gotta go back. You know what I'm saying? Mhmm.
Kam:So I I went back, came back from overseas. I was on fire for God. Like, I started a Bible study overseas and everything like that. But I came back, made a couple of videos for God, then went back to the worldly stuff. I got into, like, fashion and vlogging and stuff like that.
Kam:Then I start then I joined a fraternity and I got I'm not I'm no longer in the fraternity anymore, but I I joined the fraternity, got into the female lifestyle, lust, sexual intimacy, not full blown sex, but, you know, some a lot of sexual stuff, partying, drinking, just women after women after women. And that was my life for that that entire year. So I came back in 2021. I came back in 2022. And then from 2022 to 2023, my life was pornography, women, fraternity, partying, social media.
Micaela:Mhmm.
Kam:All over again. And then God gave me a dream one night. I was battling between I was on vacation. I was battling but this is this is the beginning right here. So this is answering your question.
Kam:I was battling between hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus. I was battling between watching porn that night on this vacation because I'm like, oh, yeah. I've been holding off for a long time about to, you know, go crazy on this porn video. You know what I'm saying?
Kam:So I'm battling between it. I don't do it. I forced myself to go to sleep. And when I went to sleep, this is the first time I heard the voice of God. Wow.
Kam:I go to sleep. It was no dream. Keep in mind, when I was a kid, was dreaming all the time because, you know, there wasn't any sin hindering God's voice. I was an innocent kid. You know what I'm saying?
Kam:I mean, sure you make, you know, tell little lies here and there, you know, stole a candy bar from Walmart, but like not know. You know what I'm saying? Like the stuff that I was doing when I got older. So I was dreaming all the time as a little kid. I was talking to me all the time.
Kam:So this is my first, like, dream, if you will. That's why I got so good because like, dang, you gave me a dream in the midst of the lifestyle that I was in. Forced myself to sleep that night, had no dream, completely black. But as soon as I woke up, like as soon as I opened my eyes, it was so crazy how quick it was. As soon as I opened my eyes, he said, here I am.
Kam:Like he literally said, here I am. I had no idea what it meant, but I wrote it down. I said, Lord, what does that mean? He said, start a podcast and name it,
Micaela:here I am. Woah.
Kam:Here I am podcast. Didn't know what that meant, and I ignored it for, like, four months. Still in the fraternity lifestyle, stuff like that, women, all that stuff. It got worse. Like, I'm having girls in the back seat of my car that that belonged to another man.
Kam:She was on like it was like a girl that she was on a break with her with her ex. They were they were on like a break, but she knew that they weren't done. But I knew that, oh, this is my chance to get what I want with this girl that I've been wanting for a long time. You know, I was manipulative. I was using my my charm, my smile, my all this stuff.
Kam:Having another man's woman, even though they were on a break. Come on. That's another man's girl, bro. Come on. Like, they weren't fully, you know, having another man's woman in the back of my car in the middle of a freaking in the middle of the woods, you know?
Kam:And this is after God gave me that that that that talk. Yeah. Here I am. And so I eventually stopped the fraternity. I'm not going to get too deep in that.
Kam:That's another story. I threw away the fraternity because God told me to like get out of the fraternity. Said, I don't care what you what you think or feel, get out of the fraternity. So I got out of the fraternity. There was a whole ordeal because I was like super, super popular at school.
Kam:Everybody, you know, knew me through the fraternity. So me leaving was a big deal. So I left. And then that next year, so 02/2023 in November 2023, left the fraternity and then January of twenty four, I start the podcast. So I start doing the research, ordering mics, all the stuff that you see right here, ordering the mics and stuff like that.
Kam:Oh, these are your mics, but, know, the lighting and stuff like the cameras and stuff like that. Doing research, I start the podcast on my birthday, February 2000 02/17/2024. Start the podcast and then I do it for, like, three months and then God says, stop it. So I stopped the podcast. Woah.
Kam:But God, you told me to start it. Yeah. He said, I know. Stop her now for a second. So I stopped the podcast and now, you know, I'm frustrated because he told me to stop the fame when I was blowing up.
Kam:And then now I'm doing something else that's getting a lot of attention because the podcast was doing well. I was getting I was going viral on some of the stuff I was saying. So was like, oh, yeah, I'm eating this up. Like, I'm saying some powerful stuff because keep in mind, like, even though I'm in the world, I was still like in my word, you know I'm saying? Mhmm.
Kam:And so start the podcast. He says, stop it. So from that five months sabbatical from like about May all the way down, I get demonic attacks.
Micaela:So this
Kam:is where the demon stuff comes in. You sure I'm not talking too much?
Micaela:No. Yeah. You're good. You're good.
Kam:Okay. So I'm getting demonically attacked. Like, it was to the point where I'm one time it was I was asleep and I was being strangled in my sleep. Like, it was like they call it sleep paralysis. That's a demon, bro.
Kam:Come on. Don't call it sleep paralysis. I hate when the I hate when they try to take spiritual things and make it carnal. Yeah. I was a demon was hovering over my bed.
Kam:Yeah. I saw the the the silhouette. Yeah. And it's holding me down. I couldn't move.
Kam:All I could do was look at with my eyes. Yeah. I couldn't scream. I couldn't even get scared.
Micaela:Wow.
Kam:Just hold me down. And then it just went away after that. The second time it started manifesting in person. So that was when I was asleep. Now, but it felt like I was awake.
Kam:This time I'm getting ready to lay my head down and as soon as I close my eyes, the demon comes up right in front of my face. If I if you close my if you close your eyes right now and I put my hand in your face, you can sense that there's something I sensed that it was there and it blew its hot nasty breath on me. Wow. And then it started talking. It was like, like, I don't know why I can do it so good, but like, that's what it is.
Kam:I'm not possessed. It started doing that Yeah. In front of my face. Long story short, that was when after that I was like, okay, this stuff is actually real. Yep.
Kam:And then I was delivered from seven demons. My pastor delivered me from seven demons.
Micaela:Praise God, dude.
Kam:And it was like a four hour session. Like, I'm sitting in a chair and then as soon as he identifies the demon, I fall out of the chair and I'm in like like, if I were to take this remote right now and like drag it on this tabletop, like it felt like something was dragging me on the ground. I was flying across the ground, like gliding across the of the ground. And then I held on to the seat of a chair of a of a of a of a leg of a stool to stop myself and I was being pulled in the air because I'm being pulled backwards and I let go and I flung backwards. Then I started laughing hysterically, like evil, like sinister, like the joker type laughing.
Kam:And it's weird, I remember all of it, but I wasn't in control. And then I went into it went into it. There was a deep voice that was coming out of me that wasn't mine. So when I asked when when that stuff started happening and then I was getting visions, like God started giving me my spiritual gifts around this time Mhmm. I wasn't posting on the podcast.
Kam:So all these demonic attacks and then all these spiritual gifts are being given to me and the I believe the Lord was allowing because a lot of people think that, oh, God doesn't love me because all these things are happening to me. No. No. No. He's he allowed me to experience demonic attacks so that he could wake me up.
Kam:Yeah. You know I'm saying? Everyone thinks that, oh, God's allowing all these things to happen to me because he hates me and he's not loving, he's not loving. No. No.
Kam:He loves you enough to allow something to tempt you to show you that you need him. Yeah. That is love. To allow someone to experience something to teach them a lesson. You know what I'm saying?
Kam:Mhmm. Because bro, if I didn't experience that, I wouldn't have been on fire for God right now. I didn't take the scripture seriously when it says that we are in battle between we are not in battle between flesh and blood, but by evil principalities that are roaming around spiritually.
Micaela:Yeah.
Kam:When I heard that voice, I heard that verse, I'm like, in church, okay, whatever. Right. But then when you experience it Different. Oh, we are in battle Yeah. Between evil principalities that are roaming around in the spiritual realm for real.
Micaela:Yeah. It literally is almost the same as your story where you heard the first alarm and it was fake. Yes. And you're like, oh and you heard it and then you experience battle for real.
Kam:Oh, hallelujah.
Micaela:Dude, same thing where it's like Come on. The exact same thing where you have an idea of what something is and you've heard of
Kam:it Come on.
Micaela:And then you experience it.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:Exact same thing with my testimony after experiencing actual physical demonic attacks.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:That's when I was like, this is real.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:Like, we're in a battle.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:And I think it's so funny that you said that that he allowed those things to happen so you could be on fire for God. Mhmm. I heard somebody else's testimony. He was like, that was the stupidest thing Satan could have done because then it made me on fire for God. Yes.
Micaela:Like, it gave me my purpose. I was like
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:We're at war. Yes. Like, we're going. Yes. I think that's so powerful.
Kam:We're at war, man.
Micaela:Literally. Literally. So, yeah. No. I'm really thankful that you're open about that too.
Micaela:The reason why is because I think so many more people are oppressed by a spirit or something demonic or and they're not even necessarily they don't want to they're embarrassed. Or they feel like, well, I can't go to somebody and be like, I need help. Or because I'm assuming you probably didn't even know. Because I had a similar experience with Deliverance, we'll probably talk about it on your
Kam:Yeah.
Micaela:Episode. But I didn't even know until after, then it was like, dude, I had no clue.
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:You know what I mean?
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:So I think that's one of the things too that your life before and after that, and it sounds like your spiritual gift started to come after that.
Kam:Yes. You know
Micaela:what I mean? Yes. Which is huge because that's the same thing that I experienced as well. Yeah.
Kam:Well, they it came like like and they were cohesive.
Micaela:Really? Yeah. Okay. Dude, that's so cool.
Kam:Because I I needed I needed spiritual power to to get through that because, you know, True. Because you can't win this battle on your own.
Micaela:True. That's the biggest piece too is, like, yeah, we can't use our own strength. Like, talks about like, when once you have the the power that raised Christ from the dead living inside of you Mhmm. It's like, why aren't we, like, utilizing that? That's way more powerful than Mikaela, is Jesus Christ who raised himself from the dead.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:You know what I mean?
Kam:So The enemy's laughing when you try to go to a demon with your fists. Yeah. No. You go to a demon with the word of God, the sword of the spirit, as it says in Ephesians six. Come on, bro.
Micaela:Amen. That's good. It's so funny because my next question was gonna be, when was the first time you heard God's voice? Mhmm. And so I thought that's so funny that you mentioned that.
Micaela:So I was like, literally went straight into it. But I'm super curious, like, now as you've experienced it more and you hear from God
Kam:Mhmm.
Micaela:How do you discern what is from God, what's from yourself and what's from the enemy?
Kam:Phenomenal question. So I think back to when you asked that question what came to mind was I said it was God whenever I started blowing up even more on social media. Right?
Micaela:Mhmm.
Kam:So think of it like this, if I'm if I experience something, right, that I think if I'm saying, oh, this is God, but then I'm I'm looking around me and God is nowhere around me, obviously, that's the enemy. So at that point in time, it was I had no discernment. It was just what was around me.
Micaela:Right.
Kam:God said do this or I thought God said do this then I'm getting quote unquote blessed but then I'm looking around me and Christ is nowhere to be found. My light and when I mean Christ nowhere to be found is I see Jesus but my life, the fruit around me, there's I'm still in pornography, I'm still addicted to women, I'm still you know, saying there's no fruit. What's Bible say to know that something is from me or someone's from me judge it by its fruit, right? So I'm looking at the fruit around me. I'm saying I've said, oh, this this 2,000,000 followers in one month is from Jesus Christ.
Kam:But I'm I'm I'm masturbating at nighttime and watching pornography and I can't help but when a girl passes by imagine a sex scene in my mind. You know what I'm saying? I'm still, you know I'm saying?
Micaela:Yeah.
Kam:So clearly I'm not on that narrow path, you know what I'm saying? I'm not in alignment. But now as I have intimacy with God, because a lot of people just want, oh God, like as soon as you become a Christian you want God to start speaking to you, you want everything to be clear and obvious and no, no, no. God is God. He is the creator of the universe and He gave you a gift of eternal life.
Kam:The least thing you could do is work for is is is is work to get in a deeper intimacy with Him. I'm not saying work for a relationship because the relationship is given to you, is a gift. Yeah. But I'm talking about you want more from him, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Kam:Fasting, praying. Yep. You know, like God is up there, like he's God and we're telling a king, give me all this but I'm not gonna do my part. You know what I'm saying? So faith without works is dead.
Kam:So it doesn't take, it's not the works that get me into heaven but it's the works that create a deeper intimacy. You know what I'm saying? Like can get I can Me and my girlfriend, right? It's me driving four hours to come see her to spend time with her that develops a greater intimacy between the two of us.
Micaela:100%.
Kam:So like whenever we're in public and she just gives me a look, doesn't have to say anything, she just gives me a look, I know exactly what she's thinking or saying 100%. But when we first were dating, she can look at me and I'll, What are looking at? You look crazy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Kam:She can make a noise and not, Oh yeah, I know exactly what she's saying. You what I'm saying? So how do I determine between God, myself and Satan now is, I wanna say three two things. One, if I feel that God's saying something, I will fast. I'll go on a fast.
Kam:Powerful. Yes, it is. Literally, I encourage you guys to do this. If you feel like God is telling you to do something and you can't determine if it's between the enemy or God, go on a
Micaela:fast. Amen.
Kam:I write it down in my journal here. I wrote down, okay, because at the like, let's just say for at the time, there was last year, God told me to leave my friends, this this group friends that the the group of friends I had. Right? God says, leave your friends. So I'm like, is this the enemy?
Kam:Is this me? Is this God? So I go on a fast. I go on like a at the time I think it was like a one or two day fast, so it was something like that. I go on a fast, no food at all, just water because a lot people think fasting is social media break or something like that.
Micaela:Yes. No. Talk about that.
Kam:Fasting is abstaining from food. Yes. Biblically, look at the bible, they didn't say and I know at the time they didn't have social media but they didn't say, oh, he took a break from his wife, he took a break from being a farmer, he took a break from going and being a fisherman. No, He took a break from food. Yep.
Kam:Why is it food? The bible says that we are flesh and spirit. They says that the flesh is weak. I forgot what scripture it says but it says the flesh is weak but the spirit is willing. This is an indication that we are flesh and spirit.
Kam:It says that before God, before I was in my mother's womb in the flesh, the Lord knew me. Meaning, I was being shaped and molded in heaven as a spirit and then my this the spirit to be operating on earth needs a body. So I'm a being, a fleshly being that has a spirit. This body, this flesh is a vehicle for a spirit. The body is used to allow us to operate on this earth to allow us to make a decision between heaven or hell.
Kam:So then whenever this flesh dies, the spirit is gonna live forever either in heaven or quote unquote live forever quote unquote, you know, die forever in hell. Mhmm. Right? This flesh is an opportunity to make a decision. Yeah.
Kam:Hallelujah. So if my original identity before I came to this evil sinful world was a spirit, how can I get more in contact with my original self? Killing my flesh, not going and getting a pistol and aiming at my head but killing the flesh by denying it the very thing that it wants which is food to survive. Yeah. So by denying myself from food, I get more in contact with my spirit.
Kam:Look at Jesus whenever he fasted, he was fasting for forty days and forty nights and it says that he was still eating, he was eating the Word of God. You know what I'm saying? When Satan came in Matthew three or Matthew four, it says that the tempter came and tempted him and he said, Eat this bread, eat this food but he says, Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. Amen. So he's saying that I'm fasting right now, I'm not eating food, I should not only live on food, meaning I should not only satisfy my flesh but I should also satisfy my spirit.
Micaela:Yeah.
Kam:And the and the food of the spirit is the word of God. Amen. So during those fasts that I go on, I hope this makes sense. Mhmm. But during these fasts I would go on, I said, I wrote down, Lord, is this you?
Kam:Lord, what do you want me to do? And then I give him a quote unquote sacrifice. I'm taking my body and sacrificing it on the altar of sacrifice and showing God that I'm willing to do something to receive something and by doing that he looks at a heart that truly wants him and he gives me divine information. And then after I kept doing that, the bible says that if he can trust you with a little, he will trust you with a lot. Yep.
Kam:So when the Lord starts seeing, oh my gosh, this man actually loves me. He doesn't just honor me with his mouth, he makes clear intention to get closer to me. So now he trusts me with his with his voice. Now he trusts me with visions. And now he trusts me trusts me with discernment.
Kam:Now he trusts me with making my spirit uneasy when something isn't from him. Yeah. So now because of a because I remember I told you I was off off to my podcast for like five or six months. Five or six months of fasting, praying, sacrificing, being demonically attacked but not turning to the world, turning to Christ. The Lord is saying this is a heart that wants me, I can place, I can trust him with more.
Kam:So now, I don't necessarily have to go on a a long fast to receive something. I'll immediately know it from discernment. I'll immediately know it from uncomfortability. I'll immediately know it from the voice of God. I'll immediately know it from a vision.
Micaela:Right. Yeah. That's so good. Kinda like you said too, like, you're growing in relationships so you feel those things quicker because you understand the voice. And so, like, once you know God's voice, it's a lot easier to hear it.
Micaela:And I 100% appreciate you talking about fasting because that is what completely changed my relationship with Christ.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:That is where my deliverance came from. That is where my closeness in hearing God's voice came from. Like, I kid you not. And I think that, like you said, a lot of times we can fast from social media or other things, but that's not weakening the flesh. That's taking another addiction that you have that you should probably get rid of anyways.
Micaela:Come If it's something that's that big that you think that's feeding your flesh that much. Like, probably stop doing that.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:But food. You're feeding your flesh. Exactly like you said, where you're weakening the flesh in order to strengthen the spirit.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:And so, I'm so happy that you talked about that, because I tried the social media fasts, and my mind felt better. I'm not gonna say it didn't. Yeah. But, I didn't hear from God. I didn't get delivered from anything.
Micaela:And, it says, with prayer and supplication, that word supplication means fasting. Yes. Submit your request to God and it'll be known. That's part of our, kinda like you said, your sacrifice.
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:It says our body is the temple of God. Yes. That is our sacrifice that we're we're giving to God. And I saw this, gentleman on TikTok. He was talking about why fasting?
Micaela:Like, why does that make sense? And he was talking about whenever there were sacrifices in Leviticus, it was talking about burning the fat offering. Mhmm. And that's, like, literally what we're doing in our body. We're, like, burning an offering of fat to God.
Kam:You know
Micaela:what I mean? And I was, I never thought of it from, like, that deep of a But, like, our body is the temple.
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:You know what I mean? So it is is quite literally a sacrifice to God, and it weakens the flesh. It's like this twofold.
Kam:That's so good.
Micaela:And, yeah, it changed my life. So I'm so thankful you talked about that. Because I think that it's one of the biggest things that we're missing right now because we desire comfort more than we do God a lot of So
Kam:And it reminded me of when you said this, it reminded me of the scripture where it says that we are to be a living sacrifice. What does that mean? A living sacrifice compared to sacrificial stuff in the bible, when you take a sacrificial lamb, you kill it Mhmm. And you put it on the altar. That lamb is not getting up.
Kam:But us, we're a living sacrifice so we have the opportunity or the ability to put ourselves on an altar and get up when we want to. So a living sacrifice is sacrificing something and having the discipline to stay there then get up from the altar and go.
Micaela:Yeah.
Kam:You know what saying? So, like, it it takes discipline to follow Christ, bro. Yeah. Because you have every right you have every right to stop when you want.
Micaela:Yeah. So But that's something that we also get from the holy spirit. Mhmm. It's not from our own strength. The more that you rely on God, more you get that.
Micaela:Because one of the fruit of the spirit is self control.
Kam:Come on.
Micaela:That's from God. Whenever I'm trying to do things for my strength and white knuckle it, I fail every single time. Yeah. Whenever I'm like, Lord, please take this desire away. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.
Micaela:Because there's two ways that God likes to do things. One is, and I've experienced this, is supernatural healing instantly. The other one is He wants us to be a partner in it. Mhmm. Like, part of, everyone's heard the saying, like, a man how to fish, like, versus giving a man just the fish.
Kam:Wow, cool.
Micaela:And sometimes God will walk us through those seasons to teach us those things so then we can help our brothers and sisters get out too.
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:Because, yes, he does heal supernaturally and I felt it, but sometimes he wants us to be an active participant in the process as well. Yeah. 100 Wow.
Kam:That's so deep.
Micaela:So, to finish off. Yeah. To the person that's listening, they have one foot in, one foot out. Mhmm. What would you tell them?
Kam:We know scripture says to neither be hot or cold because the Lord will spit you out. You know what I'm saying? Mhmm. That's that's saying he doesn't want you to be lukewarm. He's saying, I rather you be hot or cold.
Kam:Meaning, I heard this from pastor Philip, he explained what that verse meant. He's saying that they were receiving water, this village was receiving water through these pipes, right? And when the water came, it when it came, it was lukewarm. Like, it was like room temperature. And when they would taste it, it tastes disgusting.
Kam:So they rather they rather the the water be hot, you know, like, you know, drink it as tea or drink it as something that, you know, I'm saying or or cold as refreshing Mhmm. But not in between. You know what I'm saying? So the Lord is saying be fully with me or fully against me. You know what I'm saying?
Kam:Because he can't taste the the he can't stand the taste of bit of of of of in between.
Micaela:Mhmm.
Kam:You know I'm saying? Mhmm. In what is lukewarm? In between hot or cold? I'd rather you be hot or cold.
Micaela:Yeah.
Kam:Rather be one of one of these two rather than in between. You know what saying? And hot or cold isn't not saying one is better than the other. It's saying I'd rather you be hot, meaning like, I can drink, like, you know, tea or whatever or cold or refreshing. I don't want you to be in between.
Kam:So as someone who's in between hallelujah. In the name of Jesus, Lord, give me the words to say to encourage the person behind this camera or over this audio in the name of Jesus, Lord. To be in between help me, Lord. So I'm I'm trying to make sure I'm not saying something that's just out of my own, like, mouth.
Micaela:Totally.
Kam:Because this this is this is this is a serious question because this is the very thing that keeps people this is there's a scripture where where Jesus says thank you, Jesus. There's a scripture where Jesus says that there's gonna be so many people that say that they knew me Yeah. And that they did all these things in my name and that they lived their lives for me. Bro, this stuff make me emotional. There's so many people out there that claim they know Jesus and this word of God says that the Lord is going to rebuke souls.
Kam:He's going to rebuke people that claim that they were following him this whole entire life and he's gonna say, I never knew you. And these are people that say, I cast out demons in your name, I went to church every Sunday, I read my bible and you're saying that there's gonna be people that God's gonna say, I never knew you, right? I wanna encourage you guys that Jesus came down, he was God on a throne, came down, lived a sinless life, did nothing wrong and was beaten for an entire day. He was arrested at night. They beat him at night.
Kam:They put him on trial at night before they took him to seize to to Pilate. They beat him in amongst the the the the the congregation of the counselors of the what's it called? Not the counselors, but the the Jewish counselors. Yes. So like, all all those Jewish the the priest and all that stuff.
Kam:They had a trial there. They beat him at night. Then they brought him because they could they wanted to kill him, but they could they they're not allowed to kill. They can only beat the the Jewish law was if someone does something wrong, they can beat you 39 times, but they had to stop at 39. So they beat him, let's just say it was 39 times.
Kam:Then they brought him the next morning to Pontius Pilate because he wanted them he wanted the Romans to take Jesus so that they could kill him because the Jews can't kill. Mhmm. It's against their Jewish tradition and their law and it's during the it's during the week of the holy week, what's it called? The the feast?
Micaela:Piece of tabernacles?
Kam:No. No. The feast of it's like the feast of remembering when when he brought him out of Egypt.
Micaela:I don't know. It's okay.
Kam:They brought him out of Egypt. I forgot. Anyway Passover. Passover.
Micaela:Is it Passover?
Kam:Yes. Okay. So it was the week of Passover. Right? So and Lord correct me I'm wrong but I'm I'm I'm almost certain of this.
Kam:So they couldn't kill during that holy week. Right? So they're they bring him to Pontius Pilate. Pontius Pilate takes him in, find can find no no wrong in him. But they lie on him and say, hey, he went against your the the Roman law by saying that he's even the the king of of of of of the Jews and he's the king of this and that.
Kam:So he's they're trying to lie on him so that the Romans get mad and then bring him in, judge him against their laws and their laws, they can kill a man if someone goes against their laws. So they bring him to the to the Romans. They beat him senselessly. The Jewish tradition is 39 times. The Romans have no limit.
Kam:They had whips. They bring him into the middle of the congregation, an innocent man, strip him naked, he's naked. All these movies, they can't show a naked man. Penis, butt all that out, right? Naked, exposed, humiliated.
Kam:I didn't mean to get graphic on here but humiliated. In the middle, a grown man tied to a post, they take whips and on each whip, there are sheep, they killed a sheep, took the bones of the sheep, shaved them and sharpened them, wove them into each individual thread on these whips and they took iron balls, heavy metal balls and wove them into them. So every time they hit them, they weren't going gentle. Yeah. Go check out Told You You're A Slave, that part where that where that young lady is getting torn to shreds on a tree, look at that and then do that 39 times but then do 39 times seven, however many times it was.
Kam:They beat him to the point where in Isaiah it says that you cannot even tell his identity anymore. Yeah. Every time they hit him and they whipped him, those sheep bones cling onto his skin, dug into his skin, ripped his skin off. Imagine doing that 39 times but then doing that 30 more nine times, then doing that 30 more nine times, then doing that 30 more nine times. It says that they could not even detect if he was a man or a woman.
Kam:If you can't detect someone as a man or a woman, how do you determine someone as a man or woman? Genitalia. So clearly that must be an indication that his genitalia was no longer part of him because that's how bad they beat him. Then they made him carry a 300, six hundred pound cross that he clearly couldn't carry so they had to get he had to get help. Then he goes up to the hill, then they put him on on the cross.
Kam:Typically, when someone gets crucified, they have a nice little the tradition was a stand to put your feet on so you can like stand. Like when they nail your foot on the cross, there's like a stool that you can stand on so you can kind of like stand on something, you're not just hanging from there. No, they bent his knees in and they put one foot on top of the other and nailed it to the cross, no stand. Put his wrists, it was either his wrist or his hand, whatever it says, and put his wrist on a cross. And this man is dangling there for six hours bleeding out, humiliated, naked for you and I so that we could have the gift of something we don't deserve.
Kam:So for the one that is in between, imagine if Jesus was in between, You would He didn't come to be in between, He came to take you serious. So why aren't you taking Him serious? He did everything to the point of His last breath for someone that didn't even exist yet, for someone that didn't even have the opportunity to sin yet, for that mistake you keep making constant constantly and constantly and constantly that he keeps forgiving you for. He did that for those times. So the one that I love Jesus but you know, no.
Kam:He loved you fully. So how about you love him fully?
Micaela:Amen. Dude that's so powerful. I'm speechless.
Kam:So that's what I'm saying. Let's stop playing games about the man who didn't play absolutely no games about you. He played no games.
Micaela:Amen. Do you thank God for his sacrifice for us? Yes. We do not deserve it. At all.
Micaela:Like, thinking about the and I love that picture for the reason of our God is also a suffering God. You know what I mean? Like, he would go through all those things for his children that he loves so much and he would do it again. You know what I mean? Like, it's that he designed and to be that for us and what an amazing God to live and serve.
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:One that it says he came here not to be served but to serve.
Kam:Yes.
Micaela:How much more should we?