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What are pilots really seeing in our skies, and why aren't we talking about it?
The Safe Aerospace Podcast brings together military aviators, commercial pilots, air traffic controllers, aerospace professionals, and policymakers to tackle one of aviation's most pressing and least discussed challenges: UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena) in controlled airspace.
Hosted by Former F/A-18 pilot, Ryan Graves from Americans for Safe Aerospace, the podcast goes beyond the headlines to explore what UAP encounters mean for flight safety, national security, and the future of airspace transparency. Each episode features firsthand accounts from credentialed professionals, analysis of emerging policy developments, and conversations with the researchers and lawmakers working to bring scientific rigor and institutional accountability to a long-stigmatized issue.
What do
you see
What
they see
It was
a single
object
Spiritual
in shape
Not
a perfect
circle
It was
moving
across
the water
a decent
speed
I would say
it was
very close
to touch
on the
surface of
the water
we were
using
in this
case
MQ nine
And this
was in
the East
China Sea
Yellow Sea
in that
region
This thing
had no
wings
no sign of
propulsion
or
you know
no rivets
You're
seeing an
IR image
And so
you're
not seeing
like an
exhaust
plume
or anything
like that
When
it got up
what did they
detect
Welcome to
the
American
Safe
Space
podcast I'm
Ryan Graves
today
joined
by Kevin
who's
going to
tell us
a
little bit
about
his
experiences
seeing
various
data sets
in his time
in the military
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yet make
sure you
subscribe
to this
channel
We're going
to be
having more
witnesses
like Kevin
I do want
to have
maybe
a public
apology to
to air
in our
creative
director
You know
as
you might
have
noticed
our
studio is
a
little bit
closer
to the Two
Ferns
model
I think
than what
we would
like
eventually
But
right now
you know
this is
temporary
We'll
probably do
some
interviews
outside
Ice is
going to be
at Oshkosh
this year
big flying
at the end
of July
And we're
looking
forward to
seeing some
of you
there
But we'll
also be
doing
some
interviews
there
and
whatnot
But
you know
I'm pretty
excited
about the
direction
that
Americans
say
Farrell
space
is going
I think
we'll have
our own
studio
soon
So
thanks for
being
with us
Sorry
Aaron
I didn't
bring
enough
props
today but
but soon
we'll
have a
pretty
cool place
I think
But
thanks for
joining
us here
in Austin
Kevin
why don't
you tell us
a
little bit
about how
you found
yourself in
that chair
Military
time
I'm
a
Department
of War
contractor
I never had
military
time
but
I worked
as a Satcom
network
engineer
for the
Defense
Information
Systems
Agency
I worked in
the network
operations
center
at Hiller
Force Base
in Utah
and part of
that job
when
deployed
units was
set up
their
Satcom
equipment
They'd call
into us
we would do
network
builds
for them
We'd
get them
connected
into the
network
monitor
that
traffic
you know
and part of
that was
watching
the drones
and
whatever
aerial
assets
that were
being used
for
reconnaissance
and
whatever
to verify
the clarity
of the footage
and
make sure
everything's
going
smoothly
So it was
during
my time
there
because
I'd be
watching
drones
all the time
that
I started
seeing
these
strange
things
go on
to
the point
to where
I was like
okay
I would
feel like
I should
come
forward
especially
after
seeing your
guys's
hearing
That's what
that's what
really
inspired me
to do
It was your
guys's
initial
hearing
a couple
years back
23 Yeah
Okay
Well
before
we get
into that
let's
kind of
let's maybe
suss out
a little
bit of the
the details
on what
that job
responsibility
entails
And so
you were
working
just
kind of
clarify
for people
and for
myself
you're
working for
a private
company
You're
employed
by them
You have
security
clearance
And
they were
employing
you as
kind of
like an
IT support
I don't
want to
you know
diminish it
at all
But
you were
doing
technical
support
for
different
data
streams
and whatnot
for the
military
as
a contractor
Yeah
it was a
it was
quite
a
bit of stuff
we were doing
because
missions
would
call in
to
troubleshoot
something
going on
like hey
we don't
have a good
Satcom
connection
or even
something
as simple
as like
they'd get
set up
out
in the field
They'd
call into
us and say
hey
we're ready
to be
brought to
the network
We would
remotely
activate
their
Com modems
and then
start
They'd
be able
to start
transmitting
information
Did
you ever work
with
like F-18
guys
or Navy
guys
We did work
with naval
vessels
They would call in
because
they
would have
specific
set
commissions
and equipment
they were using
and that
communication
would go
through
Disa
of course
So I was
in contact
with quite
a few naval
vessels
Yeah
I imagine
when
it gets
down to
us in F-18
you know
we try
to be
self-contained
right
We
don't want
to be
calling
troubleshooting
in the
states
as an
expeditionary
group
you know
in the
Middle East
But I could
see
the ships
having
some like
big picture
linkage
issues
Yeah
And
there was a
go by
priorities
You know
like we
we go from
something
as small
as like
a training
mission
in the
States
Guys
that are
just
learning
their job
their MOS
satcom
stuff
they'd
call in
simulate
you know
getting
connected
with Disa
and
you know
do that
type
of thing
all the way
up to
deployed
forces
you know
all the way
up to
POTUS
You know
I worked on
the vice
president's
satcom
stuff
before
That's
cool Yeah
And
you used
the term
Disa
I think
or the
acronym
Disa Disa
Can
you spell
that out
for us
Yeah
Defense
information
systems
agency
Okay
Okay
Well
that's
very cool
You know
I don't
think
people will
realize
just how
much like
backbone
infrastructure
Yeah
Needs
to like
be working
at 100%
to enable
you know
a lot of
things
even just
you know
in fat
flying off
and
you know
although
you guys
didn't
touch it
you know
the crypto
links the
GPS
connections
and
even more
so and
you know
the Joint
Strike
Fighter
F-35
and other
platforms
those are
absolutely
critical
to making
those
platforms
actually
valuable
right
Because
they're
soaking up
so much
information
Right
You know
these
backbone
data
networks
are what
allows us
to have
these
advantages
that
we have
by linking
everything
together
is
pretty cool
How long
did you do
that
About
a year
I have
So
I went out
to Utah
initially
because I
was in
Korea
for
a couple
of years
before
that
working
and I went
out to
Utah
I was trying
to move
from
security
into it
you know
studying
and
eventually
trying to
get
back out
to Korea
doing it
stuff
you know
And so
the job
Adisa
popped up
and
that was
like a
perfect
route
I had the clearance
for it
I had the
the base
level
IT certs at
that time
So
they brought
me on
Onboarding
takes
a while
you know
before
you get
your access
and
everything
So you're
kind of
shoulder
surfing
people
there
in the knock
until
you're all
set up
and
actually
working
on stuff
you know
So
and that's
actually
where I
first saw
this
collection
of like
sipper
videos of
like drone
strikes and
other
stuff
So
where was
this
physically
located
Hill Air
Force Base
this was
still
a Hill
Air Force
base
And that is
where
you saw
the data
that was up
related
Yeah
Let's
kind of
get
into that
a little
bit
And
you know
just to
kind of
set
the stage
because we
you know
are going
to be
brushing up
on things
here
Asa doesn't
accept
or solicit
classified
information
Just to be
clear
there are times
when
someone
with
information
behind that
curtain
such as
yourself
you know
looks to
looks
to ASU
to help us
get that
information
in the
right
hands
But
we don't
accept it
We don't want
it
I've had
a security
clearance
for almost
my entire
adult life
I don't
want that
headache
Most
Americans
for safe
aerospace
And so
let's
of course
you know
be very
cautious
I think
we should
avoid
I know
you're
you're in
possession
of squadron
names
and exact
locations
but let's
avoid
naming
those
explicitly
if we can
Let's
talk about
the system
that
you were
using
just in
broad terms
about what
it provides
and how
the topic
came into
your
awareness
through
that and
also
the year
So you
talk
you know
you said
you saw
the hearing
in 2023
Yeah
Let's
let's let's
anchor
there
for a minute
You know
I've been
talking
a lot
about how
once people
realize
this
information
is
important
then
they're
going to
preserve
it
And that's
going to
allow us
to get
that
information
into the
right
hands
And so
it's cool
to hear
you
mentioned
that
a few minutes
ago
but maybe
we could
pick it up
from there
So you saw
the here
you were
were
somewhat
motivated
It sounds
like you
already had
information
or had
come into
information
at that
job
So
let's talk
about that
as well
As I saw
your guys's
hearing
And at
the same
time
this type of
activity
was going
on
And the
hearing
itself
what
surprised me
the
most about
it was
wasn't
so much
the information
about you
that was
being
talked
about
It was our
the members
of
Congress
our
politicians
that
were like
coming to
you guys
asking
like okay
so
where do we go
from here
How do we figure
this out
You know
I was like
I was shocked
I was like
you're
telling me
you guys
don't know
how to
navigate or
get into
this stuff
to find
this
information
but you're
the one
selected
to like
research
this stuff
for us
You know
what I
mean
And that
that
kind of
concerned
me
The
decision
makers
didn't
have access
to the
information
that
they were
legally
obligated
you know
congressionally
mandated
in order
to make
decisions
about
Yeah that
concern
to me
And
of course
you know
my personal
curiosity
as well
you know
and the
American
people
and myself
clearly
have
a desire
to know
what's
going on
with this
stuff
Yeah
I would even
argue more
than just
the desire
but innate
right
to
understand
the world
around
them
There are
interactions
I agree
that they
you know
folks
are
experiencing
to be
gaslit
by a
government
You know
it's not a
healthy
position
to be in
Well
maybe let's
jump back
a little bit
before
the hearing
So when did
you first
come into
contact
with
the UAP
conversation
within your
professional
duties
or perhaps
outside of it
if that happened
earlier
Yeah
So I guess
it would be
like my
first week
at Disa
So like
I said
when you're
like
onboarding
your
first week
you don't
have access
yet right
You're
going
through all
this
paperwork
and
clearance
stuff and
you know
it just
takes a
while
So you're
just
shoulder
surfing
with your
coworkers
watching
them do
the tasks
and what
your job is
going
to be
And then
kind of
like a rite
of passage
at this
it's like
well
while
you're
waiting
for access
you're
going to
watch
the Acer
drone
videos
you know
And we
have this
share
drive
a collection
of videos
of like
all the
best drone
strikes
and just
interesting
stuff
over
the years
that
they've
compiled
on the side
And you
just sit
there
and
watch it
A lot
of cool
stuff
One of those
videos was
a UAP event
that happened
quite
a few years
ago
and it was
just
unexplainable
So
it was a file
that you
just
happened
upon as you
were
exploring
the system
or it
was part
of a group
of data
that they
kind of
presented
you to get
acclimated
to
the system
Yeah it's
just
sitting
there
I mean
yeah it's
not really
like tasked
or
anything
It's just
you see
something
on there
as just
get saved
into the
shared
drive
You know
the Acer
people
it's been
on Disa
for years
So it's not
a organized
collection
process
when it comes
to UAP
You're
saying that
people
are just
seeing
things
and
deciding to
kind of
grab
that clip
and
throw
it into
a folder
and
this was
just one
of many
folders
you know
that
someone
created
before
you got there
and you're
like oh
this is the UAAP
folder
I guess
more
essentially
like that
But you're
not
suggesting
it was like
an
organized
collection
effort
This was
kind of
just like
the
colleague
to
colleague
like cool
folder
of stuff
right
Kind of
Yeah
Hey
check this
out Yeah
You want to
see this
This thing
that happened
a few years
back
you know
and it just
so happened
UAP stuff
winded up
in there
Do you know
when that
folder was
created
I don't know
exactly
what year
I know
I've seen
footage in
that folder
going back
like ten
years
plus
though
And
the system
that you're
using
I presume
they're not
constantly
recording
So does
that mean
if someone
did access
information
from
the system
that
probably
clipped in
real time
more or
less
or within
some
window
is
that fair
to say
How
it works
is when
I would
monitor
the drones
as a
program
called UVs
You vids
is what
we
called it
on the side
So how my
workstation
was I
had like
two nipper
screens
you know
green side
and then
two sipper
screens
unglazed
and clash
where
those might
not
be aware
And so on
the side
there's UVs
which
is
basically
almost like
a
classified
YouTube
Right
The military
has its
own
internet
type
of thing
And
when you're
tapped into
that
you know
UBS
there's
like
almost like
a globe
a map
of the world
Right
And
there's
like every
drone
that's
currently
streaming
live
And I
could
tap into
those drones
and I could
maximize
them on
my screen
Usually I
would
have like
nine drones
up at one
time
I'd be
watching
real time
you know
whatever
I thought
was
interesting
or
something
a mission
I was
working
on that
I wanted to
monitor the
drone
clarity
and all
that stuff
you know
What
would
that be
by the way
You know
like
I think
that's a
pretty cool
position
to be
What was
the best
part of
my job
for sure
Yeah
So
basically
I guess as
I would
say
monitor
the
situation
Right
But I
actually
was
ultimately
Yeah yeah
the
ultimate
Right
So I
would be
on these
drone feeds
and then
if someone
like saw
something
that
they wanted
to say
if there is
a way to
like
clip it
and
they would
do it
in like 5
or 15
minute
increments
I don't
exactly
know how
it worked
but it'd
wind up
on like
a highlight
section
right
And from
there
you could
download it
into like a
your sipper
files
or
whatever
And
that's how
it would
be
extracted
into the
share
drive
Right
You know
there's no
massive
database of
video files
going back
a long time
that
we could
scrub
So this
you know
this folder
is probably
what
we have
from this
right
Unless
of course
the government
wanted
to take
this
serious
and
actually
implement
systems
that would
allow us
to either
real time
or
you know
save
the data
for
48 hours
and do that
type of
scrub
So there's
an
opportunity
right
to
gather more
information
low hanging
fruit
that we
could be
taking
advantage
of in
this
conversation
All right
So you
get in
this folder
what are you
seeing
in there
I mean
what are
some of
these older
videos look
like
You know
we'll get into
I think
here
in a minute
what
you were
kind of
seeing more
real time
and
whatnot
But you
know
what about
those
that first
glimpse in
what was
in there
and
Oh
by the way
I just want
to caveat
for
everyone
This was a few
years ago
Right
And so no
one's
expecting
you
remember to
be perfect
here
I think
you know
we're
moving
forward
in a
culture
where
we can
perhaps
get this
into a
more real
time
But
you know
we'll
do our
best with
you know
the time
frames that
we've been
dealing
with here
Yeah
The first
UAP video
that was
already
there
on the
share drive
when I saw
was
and I
have to
let you
know
there's
no I have
no like
context
operationally
about
what I'm
looking at
you know
as
operational
security
Right
I just see
the date of
the video
I don't
know what
the mission
was or
why we're
there
I just
get to watch
you know
what
I mean
So this was
a drone
feed that
I presume
a drone
feed
It appeared
to be
somewhere
in the
Middle
East
It was over
some
village
Looked like
a standard
reconnaissance
mission
on a
target
a building
of some
kind
But across
the screen
just comes
streaking
across
as I can't
remember
It was like
5 to 7
streaks
of light
just
white hot
you know
a gated
rectangular shape
And
they just
streak
across
And
this was
like a
couple
seconds
long
The whole
video
itself was
very short
Were they
like right
above like
a village
or a town
or
were they
like a high
altitude
Yeah
It was
above
a village
Yeah
Kind of
like that
downward
looking
like
some things
above it
at some
unknown
altitude
Yeah
What
were they
in
a formation
of sorts
Yeah
It looked
like a
like a
delta
wing
formation
like that
v a V
formation
Right
But they're
all
individual
objects
It was
daytime
You could break out
that their
individual
I couldn't
I
don't know
exactly
what time
it was
because
everything
was an
IR right
Yeah
It was
white
hot against
a more
darker
background
of the
village
Were they
like a
point
source of
energy
coming
at the camera
or could
you like
make out
like there
was a
center
of mass
No
it was just
these solid
streaks
of light
It wasn't
like
I guess
bleeding
out
you know
what I
mean
It was
confined
into a
pretty
solid shape
but
it was just
this brown
So
there was
like a fine
trail
behind
these
objects or
or perhaps
you couldn't
tell if
it was
a trail
behind it
or that was
the object
Exactly
Yeah Yeah
Okay
So it was
hard to
Okay
Interesting
So that was
that was
the first
first one
you saw
What else
Yeah
That was
as far
as for
you apes
that was
there
all
the other
all
the other
videos
on there
which
we had like
hundreds
Right
It's
all drone
strikes or
you know
bird's eye
view of
firefights
happening
from
the past
you know
special
operations
that type
of stuff
you know
that we
thought was
really
cool
that was say
yeah
So okay
so you're
in there
You see one
weird thing
and maybe
it was
like okay
you know
and by
his father
cool war
footage
and
whatnot
by the
way cool
and
somewhat
scary
and creepy
to think
that
you know
as I was
flying
out there
on some
mission
maybe not
this
particular
situation
but
that you
have
Forgive me
but some
you know
kid
you know
sitting in
some office
somewhere
in the
United
States
just like
watching
what we're
doing out
there
you know
kind of
tagging
along
It's
kind of
never
really
thought
about that
before
But it is
interesting
because
you know
we're
sitting
there
just
doing our work
and then
the drones
are up
Lot guys
just
don't pay
attention
to it
But as soon
as we see
lays
does on
the screen
is
hey hey
you know
hey watch
you know
that's
cool Yeah
But yeah
you know
just you
never know
who's
watching
you know
in these
scenarios
or who's
going
to watch
down
the road
And
we always
kind of
knew
that
was there
but never
actually
talked
to people
behind the
curtain
So that
cool
All right
So you know
and just
maybe
this is
a good point
So you see
one
weird
video
I mean
what's
your mind
Stay here
You are
you into
the UAP
topic
Is this
like did
you have
context
to be
like wow
this is
one of
those
things
I've heard
about
or you just
not
really sure
what to do
with this
Yeah
I mean
I've
always been
into this
topic
as a kid
you know
what I
mean
Growing up
fascinated
with UFOs
aliens
all that
stuff
just like
everybody
else
How
can you be
when you're
a kid
You know
like
Yeah yeah
And so
getting
to see it
because I
had seen
like the
previous
footage
that
released
like the
gimbal
and all
that
the go
fast video
that
you guys
presented
And so
that was
fascinating
to me
And then
seeing that
on
the side
I was like
yeah
that's
that's
legit
And I
had talked
with guys
in the
knock
about this
like hey
what do you think
that is
And
you know
we'd debate
with
each other
like
no that's
gotta be
ordinance
or that's
got to be
something
I was like
no way
You know
I'm
very
familiar
with how
ordinance
looks going
through
the air
just from
all the footage
I've seen
And I
remember
I was
arguing
with one of
the missile
defense
guys
because
we're
broken up
into
sections
right
My
section is
called ESG
which is
enterprise
Com Gateway
Services
You got
cyber
defense
over here
and then
you got
Azer
over here
and so on
and so
forth
The circle
around the
the commanders
in the
middle
the
officers
Right
And so we
we talked
about it
and be like
what do you think
that is
And lots
of
different
ideas
being
floating
around
You know
what
I mean
Some guys
were like
yeah
that's
totally
anomalous
And other
guys
there's got
to be
an
explanation
Say one
certainty
on the
as on
the outside
as well
Right
Remind me
what year
this is
again
when you're
getting in
Yeah
This was
in 20 2324
Yeah
Before the
hearing
I think
Yeah before
the
hearing
And then
while
I was there
I think
you guys
had the
hearing
And that's
when I
was like
oh okay
You know
I should
probably
jump
on this
So
what happened
next then
from there
Happen
next
I can't
remember if
I started
seeing
my stuff
before
or after
your
hearing
Right
I just know
after your
hearing
very
shortly
before
or after is
when I saw
the ups
that I saw
and then
On the
on this
system
Yeah
And then
felt
compelled
to
reach out
and
you know
report it
Well
let's talk
about those
experiences
What did you see
And again
this is now
like on the
real time
feed Yeah
Yeah Okay
I
We were
working
eight hour
shifts
Right
So I was
working
nights
at the
time the
the mid
shift
you know
So daytime
in the US
Oh actually
no
This was
this was
sorry
Sorry
Yeah
So
I would come in
and then
I get all
my stuff
going
start
working
on stuff
and then
I'd pull up
the drone
feeds
and
every day
coming in
I would check
the
highlights
and got
all right
what's new
You know
anything
interesting
you know
And one day
there was
a footage
of what
appeared
to be a UAP
on there
that I was
like
Holy cow
you know
what
What is it
that I'm
looking at
You know
and I
looked into
where the
location
was where
the drones
were flying
when
this was
you know
and I
was
monitoring
these
drones
in real
time out
while I was
at work
That was on
the
highlights
Right
So
someone else
pulled it
Yeah
someone
else did
I went to
an Acer
guy and I
was like
hey
do you see
this video
on the
highlights
right now
Like
can you
pull this
into the
share
drive
He's like
yeah
I can
Yeah
Did you
ever
Figure
Out
who pulled
it
originally
No
I did not
I assume
it was the
you mean
who
uploaded it
and the
highlights
to you
Know
who found
who like
first
Discovered
it
you know
like
I don't
care if
their
rationale
what they
thought
when they
first
pulled it
I would love
to know
that too
Now
the way
the UVF is
set up
is like
you can see
how many
people have
viewed it
It's
kind of
like
YouTube
you know
there's
also like
a live
stream
function
as it's
going like
there's
also like
a live
chat
Hey I'm
just live
streaming
from
The skiff
you know
Hey Yeah
So
a lot of times
they would
whoever
was like
the
administrator
of it
of it
would like
open up
the chat
at certain
times
so
you could
communicate
The only time
I ever
saw it
happen
is when
a drones
going down
and
everyone's
typing
F's on
the chat
you know
what I
mean
So yeah
you know
So salute
oh seven
Yeah yeah
So yeah
I don't
know who
originally
put it up
in there
Okay
So you see
this video
what
maybe for
we
get into details
But you do
want to say
generally
whereabouts
it was
detected
and what
platform
detected it
perhaps or
just
vaguely
And then
what
What
did they
detect
Yeah
So we were
using in
this case
MQ nines
And
this was
in the East
China Sea
Yellow Sea
you know
in that
region
What did you see
What did they
see
So this
first one
it was
a single
object
spherical
in shape
not
a perfect
circle
You know
they
never are
It seems
it was
but it was
spherical
It was moving
across
the water
at a
decent
speed
I would say
it was
very close
to touch
on the
surface of
the water
First
it was
panned out
as white
hot and
I are
and it was
just
tracking it
going along
And then
it zoomed
in on it
watching it
kind of
almost
tumblin
away
I couldn't
decide
It was
a somewhat
uneven
sphere
and
you could
see that
it was
kind of
the flight
path was
tumbling
or
you could
kind of
tell it
rotating
It kind of
seemed to
be both
Yeah
at times
would
be it'd
be moving
like
straight
across
the water
and doing
like this
kind of
tumbling
motion
I want to say
it's going
like end
over end
but it has
like this
kind of
bobbing
movement
you know
what I
mean Yes
Yeah
Do you have
any
estimate of
the
altitude
It had
to be
gosh
a couple
feet over
the water
Oh
a couple
seat Yeah
Yeah
Very
very close
to
the water
Did
they have a lock
on
the object
it didn't
have like
an actual
square
around it
Like a
targeting
square
is what
I would
call it
where
it could
actually
measure
like
the size
and stuff
like the
drones are
capable
of doing
But it was
locked onto
the target
and or
if it was
moving
with it
or
they were
slewing it
Yeah
Either that
or the
drone
operator
was
really good
with
the stick
because
he was
following
He's
probably
locked in
some way
It's
very hard
and
it's like
it's jerky
If if it's
operator
control
it's
impossible
to smooth
Probably
hard to
estimate
the size
I imagine
Yeah
Unless
you have
a comment
on that
Yeah
So I know
like in in
future
events
that I saw
they did
get a
like a
square
around it
to measure
It is
a tool
that
the drone
can use
I guess
And
sometimes
it'd be
have one
meter next
to it
Other times
it'd be
three
meters
So
between 1
to 3m
is
my estimate
And
there was
also
I've seen
it pass
in front of
a ship
as appeared
to be
a fishing
vessel
you know
So in the
right hands
that that
footage
Someone
from there
Yeah Yeah
You know
what I
mean So
Okay so
before
we get into
these other
sightings
you're
seeing this
fear
It's
tumbling
It's
kind of
bobbing
in the air
Do you have
any sense
of the
winds
You know
is this
moving
against
the winds
Is this
with the
winds
Is this
moving
fast
Is this
moving
slow
And
how does
you know
How does this
video end
I kind of
get a
really
a sense
of like
when
direction
I could see
like the
waves
of course
like the
whitecaps
and
whatnot
but I
couldn't
tell
direction
and
that type
of thing
I could
see like
the way
the drone
was
oriented
and
the angle
it was
looking
at it from
But
that information
I know
I don't
have that
I would say
it was
moving at
a decent
speed
I mean
this thing
had no
wings
no sign
of like
propulsion
or
you know
no rivets
nothing
like
and you're
seeing an
IR image
and so
you're
not seeing
like an
exhaust
plume
or anything
like that
when it
got up
really
close
on it
You know
the best
way I can
compare
it to
is the
recent
drops that
came out
You saw
the ones
like
there's one
that does
move past
the ship
and the
and the
latest
drops
they did
It looks
similar to
that
And also
the one
moving
between
like those
windmills
and stuff
It looked
very
similar
Yeah
So you're
talking
about
the drop
from the
Department
of War
Depending
on when
this airs
that might
best be
referred to
as the
first drop
But yeah
okay
I think
we'll all
know what
you talk
about
Okay
Up close
because it
did zoom in
pretty
close
to it
And what
I saw
it appeared
to be like
three
vortexes
on the top
and bottom
the very
very faint
It was
really odd
It was still
like that
white
hot spear
but it had
these three
very
transparent
vortexes
on the top
and bottom
and
like side
by side
or
like one
two three
Yeah
And then
and the
water
itself
it almost
looked
like a
like a
laser
underwater
Like as
the object
was going
across
the waves
right
underneath
it was like
this
almost
like a
point
of energy
I couldn't
tell if
it was like
a
reflection
or
something
under the
water
like
underneath it
but
it was like
a straight
line
of what
looked like
a laser
or a very
tight
reflection
of it
Interesting
Yeah
potentially
some
kind of
our energy
Coming
out the
Bottom
into
the ocean
for
whatever
reason
It's
interesting
how low
it is too
Yeah
that's
that's
that's
very
interesting
Especially
you know
if it is
putting out
some kind
of energy
into the
ocean
you know
there's
things
we can
learn
from that
How did this
video end
I mean
it just
keeps
tracking it
for a while
and then
it just
I guess
the drone
just like
okay
we're done
and just
lets it
go off
screen
and
that's it
You know
what I
mean
Right
So this one
is somewhat
ambiguous
right
It could be
some
kind of
strange
platform
We're
not seeing
the same
rocket off
or
anything
but it's
a data
point
right
So
what happens
next
Kind of
as you see
this video
and you're
like
you
save it
What's
next
Yeah
I told the
answer guy
I was like
hey save
this video
Like that's
that's
pretty
cool
you know
And so
we did
we had it
saved
in there
And from
that point
moving
forward
I was
watching
every drone
in that
area 24
over seven
you know
what I
mean
And
activity
did pick
up
like the
amount
of assets
that
we were
deploying
out there
Almost
seemed like
we were
looking
for this
type
of thing
And
what gives you
what
gives you
that
You know
what makes
you
confident
to say
that
What
did you see
either
out of the
new
availability
of aircraft
in
that area
or how
they were
searching
the area
that gave
you that
impression
when the
first video
happened
that
first event
it was
one MQ nine
out there
just
the middle
of the ocean
which is
already
weird
you know
why have it
flying
a mission
in the
middle of
the ocean
for no
reason
right
And then
after that
incident
there
would be
two out
there
split
apart
like in
different
regions
almost
doing like
a search
pattern
and
different
sections
Right
So and then
they'd be
working
in shifts
when one
a third one
would be
on the way
to relieve
another
the other
one's
going back
So
they started
continuous
coverage
in this
area Yeah
Which means
they've
prioritized
it Yeah
What else
did they
see
Second one
was another
highlight
is when
I came in
to work
looked in
the
highlights
I was like
oh there's
another
one
You know
I don't
remember
how many
how much
time had
passed
between
the first
and this
one
It's been
a while
but it was
on the
highlights
Again
I looked
at
this video
and it was
another
object
white hot
And I are
this one
though
they
switched to
electro
optical
color
Right
And they
got it
in three
frames
in color
And it was
like this
brown
rust color
almost
which
is odd
because
And
the shape
was
different
too
because
an IR
it was the
circular shape
but
in color
it was
almost
elongated
almost like
a cocoon
or like a
peanut
almost
It was super weird
but
we only got it
in
three frames
because
the drone
couldn't
get a
lock on it
and EO
but then
it switched
back to IR
and was
following
this thing
and then
it looked
like a
sphere
in IR
Yeah
Interesting
Yeah
All right
So brownish
rusty
peanut
shaped
object
altitude
Couldn't
tell
Couldn't
tell that
close
to the
every time
It's
always
close to
the water
The
proximity
of the
water
speeds or
kinematic
behavior
I don't
think
it was
going like
impossibly
fast
you know
but it was
moving
you know
especially
for
something
of that
that shape
that like
aerodynamic
wise
that makes
no sense
How far are we
from like
the nearest
landmass
I can't
tell
exactly
I know
on
the third
one that
I saw
I did
map it out
like okay
exactly how
far off
are we
And it was
like almost
a hundred
miles
offshore
of
South Korea
And so
this one
kind of
same thing
you see it
And then
they just
disengaged
from it
or did
some
other way
I think
it was
doing
some
maneuvering
It was
tracking it
for a while
because
it was
trying to
get in
color
and IR
switching
back
and forth
It was
object
maneuvering
Yeah
It was
this one
was
actually
change
in
directions
It was almost
doing
like almost
a J
hook
maneuver
you know
almost
turning
back
the way
Critical
one
No I'd say
like a
turn
like a left
right turn
if I
if this is
like the
ocean here
and like
this
the angle
of
the drone
it was
coming
across
and doing
like a
J hook
like that
you know
And this
that's
not the
first time
The third video
that
happened
as well
And and
this second
event
it was
broken
up into
two
different
videos
I don't
know why
but
it's like
sometimes
new videos
the same
event
just in
different
time
increments
would be
broken up
into
different
sections
you know
but
it's the
same event
you know
So now
we're
spheres
were
peanuts
What's
next
Yeah
Next one
Third one
I saw
this live
It was
funny about
this is
I was
coming in
to work
to relieve
the day
shift guys
And because
by now
we were
chatting
about it
all
the time
I was
like hey
watch
this video
that
I found on
some a
share
drive
You know
the guys
were
kind of
getting
interested
in it
you know
what I
mean
And I'm
like well
how do you
like
show me
exactly
what drones
you're
looking at
so I can
watch
this stuff
when I'm
working
So
I was like
showing
them
I was like
okay
you want to
pull these
drones up
you know
And I was
doing it
as an
example
I was
clicking
this MK
nine
and when
I pulled up
the screen
it was
on this
UAP flight
and over
the water
I was like
yeah
that's just
what I'm
talking
about
Yeah
You know
look and ye
shall see
Yeah
So I'm
watching
this live
with
my coworker
and I'm
like okay
yeah yeah
Perfect
example
right here
You know
And this
one we got
it in
color and I
it was
an IR
It
appeared to
be the
same
spherical shape
but
this one
was like
blinking
like a star
almost
It was different
you know
it got
zoomed down
really
close like
almost
filling up
the screen
And it was
radiating
almost like
in IRR
Yeah yeah
Blinking
like a
star
Like
if you look
at a star
through a
telescope
kind of or
kind of
twinkling
it's a
twinkling
Yeah
And can you
make out
of shape
Not really
because
it was
it was
very radiant
It was
circular
shape
I guess
You know
you
interpret
that as
someone
seeing all
this video
Yeah
I don't
know man
That's why
I'm coming
to you
You know
I want the people
to see it
so
they could
decide
for themselves
You know
what I
mean
I want
like
analysis
of it
I want to know
what I saw
you know
because
when it
would
switch
to color
on this
one it was
a white
sphere
almost
like
almost
TikTok
like
And
you know
just
cruising
across
the water
you know
blue water
white
object IR
You tell
the size
of this one
or
this one
Got
this one
did get
measured by
the drone
This is the one
that varied
between 1
to 3m
At first
it showed
the square
was like
one meter
and then
it did
it again
It was
at three
meters
still down
right
above
the ocean
Yeah
This is
how that
tumble
appearance
or as
the
previous
one did
Or is this
one that
say so
Yeah
Estimates
of of
speed
at all
if you're
capable
I really
can't say
Yeah
Maneuvering
I can't
remember
first on
the second
or third
video
where
in color
did this
J hook
maneuver
And it
came
it
came down
and it
almost at
a 180 back
the way
it came
this white
arc and
went back
the way
it came
So moving
intelligently
Right
And
this is
more of
the longer
it kind of
Tic-Tac
shape or
not
that along
because
I've seen
like the
the example
that
they use
of the
Tic-Tac
almost
looks like
a propane
tank
right
I want to say
like a pill
like that
You know
what I
mean
More
circular
Yeah yeah
Okay
What else
about
this one
As
the drone
was
tracking
it
it was trying
to switch
into EO
you know
color
and
going back
and forth
like that
And
eventually
it lost
it it
it
had it like
zoomed up
all the way
on screen
And then
it
panned out
like
assuming
that no
the the
the
altitude
of the drone
and how far
away
is from
the object
it
could have
been like
a couple
miles from
end to end
of my
screen
that I'm
looking at
you know
what
I mean
But it was
just gone
It
disappeared
and
you could
see the
drone
like
looked like
where
to go
you know
what
I mean
And it was
just gone
Yeah
I don't know
if it
went
underwater
I don't
know
I went
great to
capture
Yeah
Whatev
Right
Yeah
What's next
then
Did this
continue
That was
that was
the last
one that
I saw
there
Yeah
And
how much
longer
were you
there
I was there
to do
like a
probationary
period
with this
company
this
contractor
because
I knew that
if I was
with them
for a
while
they had
contracts
in Korea
which I was
trying
to go back
out to
which
I eventually
did Right
You know
I was there
for
just over
eight
months
I think
What
do you think
I mean
were
you just
not
looking
Do
you think
they just
stopped
You know
it
seemed like
it was
somewhat
consistent
for
a period
and then
nothing for
eight
months
What do you think
happened
Yeah
because
I know
as soon
as the
first one
happened
like
I mentioned
they seemed
to
prioritize
this
right
They had assets
out there
all the
time
like 24
over seven
So
they continue
to have
assets in
that area
where
you're
seeing the
the one
we just
talked
about
this fear
they gone
on
So I mean
how
many assets
are we
talking
about here
Like I
said
always two
MQ nines
out there
at least
Right
a third
on the way
to relieve
another
type
of thing
And there
I don't know
if you
can provide
a loose
estimate
maybe
a few
hundred
miles from
a landing
They're like
their base
of
operations
or these
things
traveling
you know
across
the world
in order
to to
do this
Not
that far
but yeah
I'd say
within the
Indo-Pak
region
Right
Yeah
So they are
prioritizing
this with
with local
assets
Okay
So we have
multiple
instances
People
are
capturing
them
A lot of
times it's
not
even you
capturing
at other
people
I'd love to
hear
what else
they've
seen
Perhaps
right
Maybe
they have
their own
folder
that you
don't have
access
That's
what I'm
saying
Because
you know
that's just
our folder
in Disa
Yeah
I know
there's
guys and
other
skiffs
somewhere
that have
their own
folders
that are
saving
stuff
as well
you know
what I
mean
So it's
hard
what your
what
your mind
state
you know
you're like
all right
You know
we've seen
these
this
hearing
has happened
What
led you to
you know
what
did you do
next
Did
you report
this to
someone
I assume
you've been
talking
with your
colleagues
a little bit
I want to
talk about
their
reactions
to
But you
know
what happened
next for
you never
really
reported
anyone
at Disa
Like
honestly
it's it's
a very
laid back
environment
Like
you tell
a guy hey
that's
the aliens
again
They're
like yeah
Anyways
back to
work
right
Yeah
It's
you see all
sorts
of stuff
at this
job right
You know
we're
watching
everything
around
the world
You know
there was
really no
nothing
set up
within this
to be like
hey if you
see
anything
like this
let us
know
I never
heard of
anything
like that
you know
So that's
when I saw
your guys's
hearing
and I
was like
And then
you know
Asa was
created
your guys's
organization
And I
reached out
to you
guys
and I was
like hey
I've a very
vaguely
I was like
I work and
government
contracting
I've seen
some stuff
in the
right
environment
I'd like
to talk
about it
you know
So that's
where
I went
from there
This is
pretty
early on
I think
this was
a time when
we were
taking our
witnesses
to the
relatively
newly
formulated
arrow
office
Tell me about
that
experience
Once I made
contact
with
you guys
and
reported
what I
had seen
in order
to get
and talk
with
someone
in the
classified
environment
about
the exact
details
that would be
arrow
exist
to
facilitate
that
supposedly
Right
I remember
this was like
this must have
been the
early days
of arrow
because
I remember
in the
email chain
that was
like hey
so if you
want to
talk to
someone
about this
I know
you're not
working
with this
anymore
but
tell one of
your
buddies
to email
this
address
And I
was like
I was like
are you kidding
me
Like
this is it
This is the government
This is the
government
process
for this
Like
this is
ridiculous
You know
I'm good
on that
I'll wait
until
you guys
have
something
better
going
you know
because
that's just
arrow
I think
Has been
a
controversial
organization
you know
especially
early on
under the
leadership
of Doctor
Sean
Kirkpatrick
You know
who have
interacted
with there
is new
leadership
under John
You know
who I've
spoken
with
And I think
he is doing
the best
he can
within
the
constraints
of being
within
the DoD
you know
working on
this issue
and even
just
recently
it seems
like
there's
been some
mending of
the fences
between him
and
that office
and some of
some of the
critics of
the office
in
Congress
And I
hope that
reconciliation
is earnest
Because
arrow has
decided
To
cooperate
with the
intent
of what
Congress
Yeah
it
looks like
they've got
their stuff
together
and
they are
taking that
serious
I'm
cautiously
optimistic
And
you know
I think
as an
organization
there's
a role
for arrow
to play
I don't
think
Arrow
should be
necessarily
the whole
of
government
owner
on this
topic
It's
too big
just for
for
that office
and
those authorizations
that
they have
But I am
optimistic
that there
might be
a positive
path
forward
for them
But
regardless
at this
point
under
Kirkpatrick's
leadership
you weren't
getting
the warm
fuzzies
that
this was
going to be
a
professional
clean
process
And so
we look for
another
path
What do we do
then
Yeah
we got in
contact
with
the FBI
Surprisingly
the FBI
took it
really
serious
They were
actually
all they
wanted to
hear
everything
And
that was
that was
pretty
good
I was impressed
with how
they
handled it
You know
I got
in a call
with them
discuss
things
and
they seemed
to take
it really
serious
because
you know
they're
working
with FAA
and
all this stuff
So I guess
they're
trying
to compile
their own
database
Right
Which
I was happy
to help
with
You know
it just
surprised me
that
there's
different
government
agencies
trying to
go at it
themselves
and compile
their own
individual
studies
of this
And there's
not like
a
centralized
place
that
they can
pull it
from
I agree
there needs
to be that
I think
that
people were
perhaps
hoping
that arrow
would be that
but
they saw
that there
was perhaps
a
misaligned
incentives
with the
DoD
investigating
what could
potentially
lead to
the
uncovering
of illegal
activities
And the
Dodds
obviously
there's
some
you know
misalignment
of
incentives
there
And so
while
I would
normally
you know
preach that
we do need
a
centralized
location
I think
early on
time period
that we've
had over
the past
couple of
years it's
been very
productive
to have
multiple
organizations
providing
independent
audits
if you
will
some of
this
information
such that
one group
can't
necessarily
control
the
conversation
And I
then think
you know
the
outcropping
of that
is a more
centralized
trusted
you know
government
database
on the
it appears
that like
you know
you have
different
agencies
going at it
by
themselves
Well
incentivizes
the other
agencies
to be like
okay
we need to
at
the end of
the day
the FBI
is better
resourced
and better
staff
and has
the
experience
to actually
run
investigations
Right
That's not
what the
primaries
you know
background
and
responsibilities
of
the staff
at Aero
are and
you know
just to be
clear
you know
in case
folks
weren't
aware
you know
a few years
back
there was a
small group
of of folks
within
the FBI
who were
initially
trying
to
understand
the
situation
and what
national
security
threats
they might
be able
to address
with the
information
collected
here
not just
the one
you know
not in a
you know
okay UAP
or early
counter UAS
kind of
mindset
but really
looking
into UAP
as its
own
category
and that
you know
organization
has grown
when you
come to ASA
And
if your case
touches on
potential
national
security
or
classified
information
or even
certain
types
of
sightings
because
we are
starting to
pick up
some trends
that are
important
for
national
security
we asked
a permission
witness
and
let them
know that
you know
if they
so choose
they can do
either a
anonymous
or
you know
or
a standard
interview
with
the witness
where
there's
an Acer
rep
on the call
and
they get
to share
that
information
added to
a data
set that's
extremely
actionable
right now
That's
going to
Congress
and it's
changing
the
conversation
Of course
if you
come to
a sun
you don't
want that
information
is shared
then
that's the
default state
So I don't
want
people to
fear that
you know
we're just
willy nilly
sending
their
information
But I think
most people
and
you took
this route
chose
to pursue
that as
an avenue
Why'd
you do
that
Yeah
I felt
personally
compelled
to
you know
like I
said
I've
ever seen
the hearing
and seeing
exactly
our
government's
representatives
capabilities
of getting
answers
on this
which is
almost none
It
really concerned
me unless
it was
really
concerning
to me
you know
and I
felt
personally
compelled
to my
own
curiosity
You know
I feel like
we have
a
responsibility
to address
this
We have the right
to know
Right
If indeed
you know
we've
reverse
engineered
stuff
or whatever
recovered
crashes
you know
that type
of
technology
you know
then that's
that's
American
treasure
right
It
belongs
to we
the people
you know
And the
people want
to know
what
this is
Right
So that's
kind of
my
perspective
on it
Your
organization's
been great
for this
You know
you
guys are
the ones
that put me
in contact
with
the FBI
You know
you got me
the route
to arrow
You know
that didn't
work out
What
I will say
to guys
come up
forward is
you know
the
standard
route
You know
arrow
and you
know
the DoD IG
they will
facilitate
a place
where
you can
talk about
the
classified
stuff
Now it's
probably
going to
get
stonewalled
It might be
released
We
don't know
But it will
be compiled
there
You know
what I
mean
Unless in
my experience
it was
where
it's at
Right
Because
I think
arrow
did confirm
that
they saw
those
videos
Right
The FBI
you got me
in contact
with them
That was great
You know
they're
doing
their own thing
They've been
really
serious
about
the topic
And
they did
facilitate
and accept
the videos
that that
you knew
where
they were
I'll say
not that
you had
they
weren't in
your
possession
Right
Well good
I'm glad
we had
a positive
outcome
from that
There's
a lot
going on
right now
Congresswoman
Luna has
requested
certain
videos
from
the DoD
Did
any of
those look
familiar
Yes
The list
that she
just
put out
of ones
that are
supposedly
going to be
in the
next drop
one of them
the date
and time is
in
the region
that she
mentioned
I'm
like 99%
sure that
that is one
of my
videos
Yeah
a lot
of those
drones
the names
like Toxic
and Wily
those are
in
the list
I've watched
those
drones
personally
I'm
familiar
with those
names
Right
But yeah
one of
the ones in
that list
is I'm
pretty
sure
one of
the ones
that I am
talking
about
Yeah Yeah
So I'm
excited
Yeah
I mean
how
does that
feel
Right
I mean
you
started
you know
in
this dark
as a
as
I imagine
a dark
cool
office
you know
somewhere
and you
see these
things
you go
through
this
process
you
report it
and now you
see that
you know
some of the
videos that
you've been around
are now
being
requested
by members
of
Congress
It
must feel
pretty
good
I hope
that
all of them
get
released
you know
not just
that
particular
one
I feel like
context can
be gained
from all
the ones
that I
reported
I think
it's
important
that the
people
see it
and decide
for
themselves
You know
I want it
in
the hands
of people
to analyze
themselves
and tell
me like
what am I
looking at
You know
what I
mean
Like
was this
what can we
learn from
it to
Exactly
right
Yeah
I think
it's very
important
Yeah
Now let's
go into
a couple
of side
things
You know
this is
such a
great
conversation
but I want
to remind
people
and ask
you
you know
if you'll
come back
about
a week
after
this airs
and provide
our members
at Safe
Aerospace
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your brain
and ask
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questions
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you Sure
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You know
why
Why do you think
what
you saw
is a
a true
UAP or
something
that could
ultimately
be
understood
to be
something
exotic
versus
perhaps
adversarial
technology
that we
were
observing
I would say
mainly
just
because
of the
physical
appearance
of it
as well as
the
response of
our own
assets
to it
Right
It just
didn't
seem like
if this was
some
sort of
unknown
like
classified
program
something
we've built
that we're
testing
out
the
location
makes
no sense
That's our
you know
right
In China's
backyard
you know
that
that one
would be
the place
to do that
Right
The
characteristics
of it
the
location
the how
After the
first event
we were
starting to
look into
it
more with
other assets
We clearly
prioritized
it
You know
there's
they were
something's
going on
there
You know
that piqued
the
interest of
the DoD
for sure
Where
do you think
should be
different
I mean
what
do you think
should be
done here
Right
So we've
we've
provided
data
We've
talked a
little bit
about there
being a
centralized
location
What do you think
based off
of
your experience
and perhaps
your
understanding
of where
different
data sets
might
exist
What do you think
should be
done
Hopefully
more eyes
come
to the topic
especially
the people
who are
working
inside
these
environments
these
classified
environments
I think
you should
feel
compelled
to at
least
report
you know
through
classified
channels
and then
just get
get it
into the
hands of
Congress or
whoever
whatever
government
authorities
investigating
this stuff
for us
You know
you know
the folks
that
you worked
with
did you hear
anything
about
other
you know
things
they might
have seen
that they
didn't
mention
to you
Do you
what are your
thoughts on
other
data sets
or how
common
this is
You know
just what's
the
scuttlebutt
that you've
heard
around this
in your own
experiences
right
I
haven't
been in
contact
with
the guys
for a
while
I know
last time
I did
check in
with one
of my
colleagues
he's like
yeah
the
videos are
still
there
You know
they're
just
chilling
right
there
Anyone
could come in
and look
if they had
the
clearance
And you
know so
that's why
you know
coming
to you
and knowing
that like
Burleson
and Luna
are looking
into this
very
seriously
You know
if they
wanted to
go view
those
directly
You know
if
I was set
up in
a skiff
with them
and
authorized
to talk
about it
I could tell them
the exact
deformation
You know
it's
relatively
easy to
find
you know
what
I mean
So and
that's
kind of
what I want
guys to
understand
that are
working
in the
field too
is that
there are
avenues
for you
to report
this
and
this will
get to the
right
people
and they'll
carry out
the
investigative
work
You know
because
I know
a lot
of guys
are scared
of like
whistleblower
protection
and
that type
of stuff
you know
which is
valid
You know
you have to
be cautious
and careful
navigating
you know
the
transfer
the sharing
or the
communication
of
classified
information
Of course
like
I mentioned
earlier I
I saw it
on my
video side
We saved it
in our
program
folder
there
at Disa
And there's
by now
thousands
of people
have seen
this video
you know
not
just our
guys
Adisa
because
on UVs
it shows
how many
people have
viewed it
Yeah
I remember
I talked
about that
I wanted to
address
that
earlier
but I
slipped past
So you did
mention
that Yeah
There's
video
accounts
I know
we've
talked
about
in the past
how
you said
these are
actually
pretty
popular
videos
So who else
has seen
these
videos
inside
do you
think
How many
people
I don't
know
I guess
anyone on
the side
that has access
to you
if they
were there
at the time
and just
so happened
to be
browsing
through the
highlights
they would have seen
it
Do you
remember
some of
those
specific
counts on
any of
the videos
We were
talking
like 10 or
15 people
or
eventually
was in
the hundreds
by the time
I left
Yeah yeah
So
I've heard
that
there are
large
collections
that people
have been
kind of
chatting
about
trying
to play
Sherlock
Holmes
on trying
to figure
some of
these out
And I think
a lot of
these are
what we've
started
to see
I think
the first
release
are
probably
some of
the more
ambiguous
ones
that are
part of
that
collection
but
I understand
that
there's
well over
of those
you know
that are
just
floating
around
there
some of them
kind of
combined
into a
central place
some of them
not
But
you know
that's
part of
I think
the work
that's
ahead of us
is to
collate
that
information
have real
processes
Right
We move
a lot of
data
in the US
military
We can move this
to
to
understand
this
problem
better
and well
Awesome
This
was really
fascinating
Thanks for
coming
forward
Make sure
coming to
a server
trusting
us
I hope
it was
a positive
result
and
it's been
a few
years
you know
since we've
been
working
together
and we've
been
looking
forward to
to telling
your stories
in
a long time
coming
It has been
a few
years
you know
Yeah
And there's
others
like you
that were
excited
with this
podcast
to finally
be able to
to get out
there
and show
people
that
you know
this is
common
This is something
that real
people are
having
issues
with
And we
do need
these
processes
in place
to resolve
it
So
thank you
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