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In this week's episode, Mikki and Jess dive into a homeowner's renovation journey that started with a dream of a cozy screened-in porch but quickly turned into an emotional rollercoaster. From weather delays to unexpected structural fixes, learn valuable tips on how to manage a small renovation project, understand the importance of permits, and handle change orders. If you're planning a home improvement project, this episode is a must-watch for keeping your dreams from turning into problems. Tune in for practical advice and a heartfelt homeowner experience!
00:00 A Dreamy Porch Vision
00:53 Meet the Hosts: Mickey and Jessica
01:44 New Year Resolutions and Vision Boards
02:45 The Power of Thumbs Down
11:12 Homeowner Horror Story Introduction
13:23 The Screened Porch Project Begins
24:57 The Unexpected Structural Fix
26:41 Permit Problems and Inspections
27:59 Dealing with Delays and Decisions
45:06 The Emotional Toll of Renovations
46:19 Lessons Learned and Final Thoughts
50:10 Conclusion and Call to Action
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Creators and Guests
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Jessica Abreu
As a social media expert, Jessica has a knack for identifying what makes each business unique and translating that into powerful, engaging content that resonates with clients and customers. From crafting tailored strategies and managing accounts to recording on-site content and boosting engagement, Jessica and her team handle it all so their clients can focus on what they do best.
Host
Mikki Paradis
President & CEO at PDI Drywall Inc. Mikki founded her first construction company, PDI Drywall Inc, in 2005 while she was still a student at NC State. After growing PDI into a multimillion dollar company, she has become an accomplished entrepreneur, speaker, and advocate for innovation in business and leadership. With a passion for empowering others, she has built a reputation as a forward-thinking professional dedicated to driving growth and fostering meaningful connections. Known for her dynamic energy and ability to inspire, Mikki is deeply committed to creating positive change in her industry and beyond. Whether through her entrepreneurial ventures or speaking engagements, she consistently challenges the status quo and encourages others to reach their full potential.
What is Chicks in Construction?
You plan your renovation with excitement, trust your contractor, and hope for the best...until things start going sideways. That’s when most homeowners realize they didn’t know what they didn’t know.
From permits that were never pulled to “contractors” who ghost after demo day, the construction world can feel like a maze of hidden costs and shady shortcuts. Too many homeowners end up confused, overwhelmed, and out of a lot of money.
The Chicks in Construction Podcast is here to change that. Hosted by Mikki Paradis, a licensed general contractor with 20+ years of experience, and Jess Abreu, a homeowner turned construction content creator, this show breaks down real renovation horror stories and teaches you how to protect your time, money, and home.
After building a multimillion-dollar drywall business and helping countless homeowners recover from construction nightmares, Mikki is on a mission to make sure you go into your next project informed, not blindsided. And Jess brings the perspective of someone who’s been in your shoes and now knows exactly what questions to ask.
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28 Chicks In Construction - Porch Fantasy
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[00:00:12] Jess: This week's story starts with a dream. Just a quiet morning, a fresh cup of coffee and a brand new porch to sip it on,
[00:00:19] Mikki: the goal was simple. Add a little deck space, hang some string lights, and live their best cozy life fantasy.
[00:00:25] Jess: But somewhere in between Pinterest board and permanent proof things went sideways,
[00:00:29] Mikki: that first cup of coffee may have taken a little extra wait time and deep breaths to enjoy.
[00:00:36] Jess: So today we're talking about how to keep your porch dreams from turning into porch problems. And why just adding a deck is never just adding a deck.
[00:00:43] Mikki: So grab your mug, friends, because learning the hard way is overrated.
[00:00:53] Mikki: Well, hello and welcome back to another episode of Chicks in Construction. I am your host, Mickey Paradise, and this is my amazing co-host. Hi, I am Jessica Abra, and today we're gonna hit you with a delightful homeowner horror story. That's so, so. Heart Warmingly went to our website, chickson construction.com and left their home on our horror story.
In the little panel down below, you just do a little scroll and there it is. So please, if you wanna be on the show, share. Share our drama, share your drama, share the tea. That's what we're here for. Really, we're just a gossip channel, a construction gossip channel. Let's just be honest, that's what we're here for.
Yes, we're just here for the tea. The tea, the tiny violin. The special trash, the all of the shenanigans. If it's she Nans once it's she nans again. And that's what I'm here for. I love it. Um, yeah, so we're just living our best lives. It's the new, it's the new year. It's, it's the new year when this is gonna be out.
I'm not gonna tell you when we're filming it, but it's gonna be the new year when you're watching this. So happy new Year. I hope your new Year's resolutions are thriving. You haven't given up on them yet. Yeah, I, I don't make them because it's just like, what a way to disappoint yourself.
[00:02:05] Jess: Mm-hmm. No, I stopped making.
Resolutions a while ago. Yeah. I make goals for the year and then I, every year I, I love Canva. Oh yeah.
[00:02:15] Mikki: Canva is your jam.
[00:02:16] Jess: Hundred percent is my jam. And so I put my vision board. Ooh. I make a digital one, so, and I fit it to be the screen size of my phone. So every time I hit the button, you get to see what comes up.
Is my, oh, you
[00:02:28] Mikki: literally have this year's one, right there. It is. My visual board. Look at that. That's very smart. You should probably teach me how to do that. I should probably do that so I can like see. You know, all the time. Yeah. And then I put it
[00:02:38] Jess: on my,
[00:02:38] Mikki: um,
[00:02:39] Jess: computer screen too.
[00:02:40] Mikki: I feel like my goals are probably a little different from yours though, like one year.
Mm-hmm. My, just, my goal was to just stop flicking people off. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, our goals might be a little different. They're a little different. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm just, I, mine are more behavioral. Like, don't get arrested, Mickey. That's the goal. Well, you, I mean.
[00:03:00] Jess: You've succeeded with that multiple years now. I mean, you're, I'm thriving in that department.
[00:03:04] Mikki: Amazing. I'm just not getting arrested all over town. Um, not so much. 'cause I've changed my behavior. I'm just not getting caught and I'm, I'm kidding. Add, don't get sued. I'm not, yeah, for real. We need to add, don't get sued. It's more like, don't mess around with stupid people so you don't get sued. I should add that to my list.
Yeah. Yeah. So one year I was, don't flick people off and, um, I, I learned. About the power, the raw power of the thumbs down, thumbs down, down. And I learned because a group of teenage boys thumbs downed me. And it was shaming. It was, I have like, listen, listen. I have been flicked off. By all walks of life, 80-year-old women, 200 year old men, teenagers, middle lifers, all of them, every category of human, it doesn't matter.
They've all has all at one point, inflict me off. And I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna be honest. It doesn't have the effect I think people wanted to have because I know that I'm an asshole. I just, I do. I. I'll do a, a stupid thing and I expect to get flicked off. And you're So what? I don't care if I'm bothering you.
It's not even that I don't care. It's like I, I don't realize, I'm like, oh, I did the thing that was, I deserve to be flicked off. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Like, I got flicked off with this 80-year-old woman. I don't know how long ago it was. It was some, it was some time ago, but it is burned right into the retina of how it happened and the shenanigans that were, were taking place.
And she, she had every right to flick me off. Let's just be honest. Mm-hmm. I was like, yeah, you're right. That was fair. So I think when people flick me off, they think. It's gonna have a different impact. Impact. Mm-hmm. But it doesn't make me mad or shame me. I'm just like, yeah, that's fair. I deserved that.
But being thumbs down. Yep. By teenage boys. The worst drivers on the road, the, the highest insurance premiums of any human being that has a vehicle. Yep. Teenage boys. And they're, they're gonna thumbs down them down. You? Me. Oh my gosh. Me. Nope. Shaming. Shaming. So. I was in this group for like a, a business development group, and I shared with them the power of the thumbs down.
Mm-hmm. And I was just like, Hey guys. Flipping people off is old news. The thumbs down is the new thing. And it was so funny 'cause the next time we had that meeting, they came back and they were like, oh my God, the power of thumbs downing people. It's so delightful just to shame people on the streets. And I'm like, you're welcome.
[00:05:32] Jess: So, all right, so no more. So instead
[00:05:34] Mikki: of flicking
[00:05:34] Jess: people off, now you thumbs down 'em. So
[00:05:36] Mikki: this is so much more powerful. My God, today, my God, today. So I wa I did successfully. Okay. I do sometimes flick people off, not in the road, but like Okay. Behind their backs. This is, I do. Behind wasn't their face, but like this, um, I went to an event.
I went to an event and, and there's a woman that I, that I don't like very much at all. Mm-hmm. Um, not a fan. And she was winning an award and I was, I was sponsoring the event, so I had to be there. And as she was winning the award, I was like. Under the table. It was under the table. So I do still sometimes partake.
Okay. In a little petty petia moment. Yes. Of a hidden bird. Mm-hmm. Um. I have one in the hand and in the bush. I don't know what that term is like. Have you ever heard that a bird in the hand is worth a two in the bush? I've got, I've got birds everywhere. Got, I've got birds. Birds everywhere. Right? It's got a lot birds.
So I I, but I, I don't, I don't really do it in the car anymore because I've just found that the thumbs down is so much more effective.
[00:06:43] Jess: Nice. Yeah. I'm gonna have to start. Thumbs down people.
[00:06:48] Mikki: I will say, when you start thumbs downing, people will thumbs down you. So just prepare. It's a two-way street. It's a two-way street.
You shame others. Others shame you. They'll be like, no, your thumbs down. They're like, you thumbs down me. I thumbs down you. And I'm like, look at how much progress we've made as a species. We're just trying to shame each other. Now, I love this for
[00:07:08] Jess: us. What if we can we do a sarcastic thumbs up? Like, I
[00:07:12] Mikki: mean, I feel like you could,
[00:07:13] Jess: but they won't understand.
But will they
[00:07:14] Mikki: understand that you're really just like, Hmm, no. No, you're the worst. I don't know. I don't know. You could try it and then report your findings. Okay. So like the sarcastic thumbs down would be to be like.
Like that. You start out good and you're like, no, actually you're the worst. I love it. So if you can work that into your driving experience, guys, that's what we, just a little tip from the chicks in construction. Nobody's doing doing the bird anymore unless you're secretly doing it under the table. Um, we're doing the thumbs down in the car.
That's the move. That's the 2026 move. It's a thumbs down. I like it. Yeah. Put that on your vision board. Jess is like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna put a thumbs down because I'm not a child like you, Mickey. And that is fair. Jess has kids. She has to be a grownup. I don't, yes. Yeah,
[00:08:06] Jess: yeah. Well, I, my kids did the, the whole, like saying that six, seven, and I said to them, they said it once.
And I said, please tell me You're like, absolutely not. We are not going to talk like that. No. And they're like, what? What do you mean it's just six, seven? No, we're not absolute. No. I was like, do you think that you sound smart? No
[00:08:26] Mikki: you don't.
[00:08:28] Jess: And they're like, what? I was like, mom, you are a very intelligent person.
Mm-hmm. I am a very intelligent person. Both her girls, brilliant little humans. Do you, do you see mom going around going six, seven and be like, ha, ha ha. I was like, yeah, because I sound like an idiot.
[00:08:45] Mikki: Yeah. I will say, so my niece is 22. Mm-hmm. And she is very aware of the fact that I'm old and I appreciate that about her.
But, so we went to a conference where I gave the keynote and we were having dinner the night before and it was like a group of women that were kind of sponsoring the keynote and um. She had fried chicken and I was just like, was it good? I can't eat fried chicken 'cause it's not gluten free. Right. The nerve.
Um, and I was just, but like when somebody is able to enjoy a delicious culinary masterpiece that I am not allowed to have because gluten exists in everything, um, I will be like, tell me. Everything. Yes. I'm like, gimme the crunch flavor profile crunch. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like give, gimme the texture. Like, tell me the experience.
And she like, mind you, her plate is clean. Like, I know she didn't lick it, but it could have been licked. I think she used a biscuit. She's like, she fully cleaned this plate. And I go, how was it? And she goes, eh, it was mid. Mid and um, I think this is young people's sarcasm. Before it was very good, but the words we're using are different than saying very good.
I thought it meant like it was okay. Well that's, I think that's what like, you know how like when we say like, oh it was so bad, you know? 'cause we're like joking with the poor waiter that has heard this joke. 70, geez. Oh my God, I thousand times hated it. And you're just like, oh. They tell like, oh, roll me out on a, you know, just mm-hmm.
Or why when their plate is empty, they'd be like, oh, I didn't like it. I didn't like, listen. Do you know how many times Hector and me do that all the time? We're those people, it's terrible. Did I wait tables for like a solid, nah, six years? I sure did, but here we are still saying it. Here we are just like being the problem a hundred percent.
So like she says that, and everybody at the table was like, huh? And so she had to like explain it, explain to all us. I love it. And I was like, oh, she's like defending her dissertation right now. 'cause we have like so many questions. We're like, wait, so like when you use it like this? And I could just see that she was like, why did I say it?
Why couldn't I just say? It was delicious. It was great. Thanks, Mickey She'll from now on. Oh, yeah. She's never gonna say it was mid again, not in my presence unless it's so that she can start a conversation that she can then make fun of me for later, which I respect. Yeah. I like, listen, I don't know how, I don't know the words, words, words that the, the young Bloods are using.
I'm just out here. Stay in shenanigans all the time and doing shenanigans. Mm-hmm. And just like being a shenanigan. So, I mean, speaking of shenanigans, we got,
[00:11:11] Jess: oh
[00:11:12] Mikki: yeah.
[00:11:12] Jess: We have a home or horror story. We have a home or horror story. So I'm gonna read, I'm gonna read it from here, just gonna read it. And I'm going to make this bigger so that I don't have to do like, because we're old, we're old.
And also I upped. My contact prescription. Okay. And I could see close, but now because my far site is so bad that now I have to hold, I'm like.
[00:11:35] Mikki: The joy of your vision declining because you're old. At
[00:11:40] Jess: least I'm not poor.
[00:11:42] Mikki: Right. For that guy's, because you're poor. Listen, if you, what is his name? I can't even pronou that.
There's this guy on the, on the socials and he does this whole I'm rich. You're poor thing. It is freaking hilarious. Yes. I think he has a book. I think he does, he has a book. 'cause you're poor and everything is, oh, you don't have special fancy ice makers in your special fancy ice machine freezer. It's true.
It's
[00:12:05] Jess: because you're poor. I, I guess I know I'm poor. That's why I don't have a champagne fridge in my closet. Facts. But we're working on it. If
[00:12:11] Mikki: you would like and subscribe, then we, we could get their all faster. It's, it's, Shabazz says Shabazz. His name is Shabazz Says, and he, he's on all the socials and he does like.
A, a variety of different things. He does the I'm Rich Rapport series. He does, he, that's where Fridge Scaping, like he really made it, made it pop. He um, he does fashion reviews. Oh my God. They're hysterical because people wear the most ridiculous things they do. And he has this, I had to look in the comments to find out.
What means? Have you heard him say this? Mm-hmm. He'll be like, Lao, and I think it's like a mixture of like British and he is from Indian. He's an Indian descent, even though he is a very thick British accent. Um, I. But it apparently his grandmother said it, meaning take it off. So La Cho was like, take it off.
So like whenever he sees something he'd just be like, LA Cho. And I'm just like, I dunno what you're saying. I dunno. But I love it. I'm here for it. A hundred percent. Shabbat
[00:13:12] Jess: says
[00:13:13] Mikki: this's. S the
[00:13:14] Jess: deal. All right, so this horror story comes from Charleston, South Carolina. Love that area. Beautiful. Yeah, it is pretty.
It is. I'm here for it. Mm-hmm. So it says we had a small concrete patio off the back. Of the house, and I wanted a screened in porch so we could sit outside with, without mosquitoes eating us alive.
[00:13:34] Mikki: Fair.
[00:13:34] Jess: I mean, mosquitoes are the devil's
[00:13:37] Mikki: work. The
[00:13:37] Jess: devil's spawn.
[00:13:38] Mikki: They're, they're, I frequently don't understand how they, how they work.
Like they go away in the wintertime and you're like, well, you must be dead. How do they come back? I don't know, because Satan said so. Mm. They hibernate with the bears. Yeah, they're in there with the bears. Sleeping
[00:13:55] Jess: Poor Bears. It was supposed to be a little weekend project, but it turned into a horror story.
Um, but it. Did it. Sorry, I can't listen. We're doing the best we can. Listen. They, they didn't, they have grammatical errors, so
[00:14:12] Mikki: we're not judging your grammatical errors. Just know that if you mess with us, us up on the show, then I'm not gonna sound like an idiot. Thank you. I appreciate it. Maybe this is a sabotage.
A sabotage from the saboteur. From the saboteur. We cannot name, but she knows who she is.
[00:14:28] Jess: Okay, let me try that one again. I can re I'm, I swear I'm literate. She was a teacher. Did it turn into a horror story and not exactly, but it did become a lesson in how small things go sideways and how much emotional energy, even a tiny renovation can you up?
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Um, so she goes, why I want. Why I wanted it done. Okay. I love this. I love that we're explaining ourselves, ourselves that were like just full on, full on we wanted a clean spot for coffee in the morning and for the kids to do art without tracking every spec of grass into the house, I.
Which I'm not gonna tell you what I,
[00:15:09] Mikki: well, maybe I should. I mean, the whole point is this is a podcast, so we're supposed to tell her what we're thinking. Like I immediately think like, I can never be a guest in your house because I'm going to track something in there
[00:15:25] Mikki: like I am. I am Pigpen from Charlie Brown.
Oh, with the stuff, all this falls behind you, you a hundred percent. Like you just don't, you can't invite me in your house. Like if you care, like I am not taking my shoes off. I'm not. It's better if I keep them on.
[00:15:41] Jess: That's hysterical. Um, I mean the grass when it's dead, like in the fall. Yeah. When it's just that brown stuff, it gets everywhere.
Literally. Like I'll vacuum a hundred times a day and it's still there. Listen, I don't vacuum a hundred times a day, so it's for sure still there. A hundred
[00:15:56] Mikki: percent.
[00:15:57] Jess: Um, I, I feel like this person is just very uppity. This is what, that's, that is
[00:16:06] Mikki: the picture, I dunno, of uppity, because I read it and I, I don't know if uppity is the word, but part of why it's important to write in, and it's important for us to share these stories is because I think it's about managing expectations.
Mm-hmm. And so when you don't understand how construction works, right, like you have this idea in your mind mm-hmm. Of, oh, this is how things should go. Oh. The Listen, we, we chose construction for a reason, and the reason is because we aren't fit for gen pop like we are not okay in the real world. We can't work in an industry that has hr.
So, so we show dumb down construction. I'm out here in these streets just throwing birds, flipping out, being wild because I can't have a regular job. So we just all homeowners know that like you have to do what you're getting into. You have to understand we're great at things, but we're not great at adulting.
Mm. Step one
[00:17:08] Jess: in People Inc. Yeah. People Inc. It's very hard. So I pictured a screen porch with a ceiling fan, a door to the yard in simple composite flooring, so I don't have to worry about rot.
[00:17:19] Mikki: Okay. We
[00:17:20] Jess: budgeted $8,000, which I thought was good and even give us a little cushion.
[00:17:25] Mikki: Okay. I think, okay. While Jess and I.
Do like to partake in some real unrealistic expectations of SARS budget? I think you're a little low. I mean, we're, we're, we're building a screen porch, a screen and porch for eight grand that has a ceiling fan. So it has electrical. Yep. And composite flooring, which is actually pretty pricey because the trucks.
The Trex board. Yeah. Which we talked about in the last episode is composite flooring. Maybe she had a different composite flooring in mind, but, um, I feel like eight Gs is a little low. A little, a
[00:17:57] Jess: little low. A little low. I mean, 'cause I mean we have a screen porch, but I've seen people post on Facebook that they want like 20
[00:18:03] Mikki: mm-hmm.
[00:18:04] Jess: Plus thousand dollars for a street porch. I mean,
[00:18:06] Mikki: that's a wild in these streets amount of money, but it's. There's a middle ground. There's a middle ground somewhere in there,
[00:18:12] Jess: so we'll see. So a neighbor recommended a handyman who'd done a deck rail for them. He came by, measured and gave me a price. I insisted on something in writing.
Good. Great job. There was a so, but like the guy did a deck rail and now he's gonna go to a full screen porch. Yeah. I don't. I mean, I'm assuming that he's done maybe screen porches before, but like Yeah, yeah. You never know.
[00:18:38] Mikki: You never know.
[00:18:39] Jess: With
[00:18:39] Mikki: these handyman,
[00:18:40] Jess: it's a bit
[00:18:40] Mikki: of a jump. It's a bit of a jump. Like, oh, he fixed a drywall repair.
I'm gonna have him do my entire deck. No, no,
[00:18:48] Jess: that's
[00:18:49] Mikki: not, maybe
[00:18:49] Jess: not. Um, I insisted on something writing. There was a simple contract, it listed scope. In plain language, remove a 10 by 12 concrete pad, build framed walls with screening. Extend the roof eve over the screened area. Oh, we're extending a roof for eight grand.
Hold on. Oh, sorry. I
[00:19:09] Mikki: jumped the gun. Sorry
[00:19:10] Jess: about that. Guys. Install composite floor decking. Add a screened door. Run one ceiling fan circuit and paint those screens, frames. The contract had a start window, a total price of $7,500. Oh my God, I
[00:19:28] Mikki: feel like we, we, how this is going and the 50 is percent
[00:19:29] Jess: deposit upfront.
I signed it because I wanted to feel secure and because I thought having everything in writing would be enough. Um, so yes, having things in writing is good, is good, is really good. It's not at all,
[00:19:46] Mikki: um, it's n it's never enough especially when you're not paying enough money. So. I appreciate a bargain.
You guys know I love a special trash moment. Mm-hmm. I am a hunter for the bargain. Mm-hmm. I mean, you have a toilet that you have just for parts. I have a, I have a parts toilet in my house. Okay. So like I am here for a bargain. We're not gonna go, we're not gonna go buy parts for a toilet. We have a toilet at home.
That's the level of how much I like a deal. Okay. I have a scrap toilet in my yard and technically gets in my back porch, but. If you look hard enough, you can see it. So I love a deal. Um, but extending your roof in and of itself. That's $8,000 right there. Right. I'm like, and the, the stuffed for the screen porch, like all that screen.
Yeah. Like I don't even think $7,500 is gonna cover materials, to be perfectly honest. So I, I understand. I think it's great having an writing. Maybe think they
[00:20:46] Jess: cheaper in South Carolina. I
[00:20:48] Mikki: don't think so. It's in Charleston, like Charleston is very, very pricey. At least real estate wise, right? I can only imagine.
We've done one project in Charleston. We had to bring our own guys down because the labor was so expensive and it was like, no, it was literally cheaper to house and feed them than to pay locals. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so
[00:21:08] Jess: definitely not enough money. Yeah. Well, because he is a handyman, so he probably doesn't need to know, know.
Maybe he's just like, whatever, this is how much I think it's gonna cost. The timeline, he said was two weeks. Okay. Start on a Monday done by the following Friday. Perfect.
[00:21:20] Mikki: Yeah, that's great. I let
[00:21:21] Jess: myself imagine weekend breakfast outside by week three. Yes. Queen do it. Mm-hmm. Vision board. Vision board. What went wrong and why it didn't go smoothly.
Okay. I love
[00:21:33] Mikki: that she's captioning this like bullet points. I'm here for this
[00:21:37] Jess: very. We started in late April. Okay. And that first week it rained three days straight. Every day they had to stop work for wet lumber or water log job site that ate four days right off the calendar. Okay. Which. Okay. Whether you cannot control it.
Yeah. It's like when your flight gets delayed because of weather, as much as you
[00:22:00] Mikki: wanna be mad at the airline, um, they don't control that weather. And do you really want like soggy woods right, to be put up? Mm, no you don't. You don't. I remember this one now 'cause I remember reading it and going, oh. She is mad at the fact that it took longer because of weather, like, so this is a really great opportunity for you homeowners to understand, especially if you're doing anything that has a component outside.
Um. One general contractors like legally have every right, like weather delays, that that's not their delay, that is the weather. Mm-hmm. So that doesn't come out of their, the timeframe that they gave you. So in what we do, we have a lot of weather delays. Mm-hmm. We can't load drywall in the pouring rain. It gets wet.
It can get moldy. We don't, you know the F around and find out the stupid game, stupid prizes situation. We don't play those games. So if we have to wait three days for it to stop raining and for us to load the drywall, that's not a PDI delay. That is a. The the Lord was crying. Delay, yeah. Mother nature, go fight her.
Right. Go talk to her. Don't come, don't send me a spicy email.
[00:23:12] Jess: Like, I'm sorry, I don't, I don't have an in with her to tell her like when I wanted to, she she'd stop talking to me. I don't know. And
[00:23:18] Mikki: yeah, we
[00:23:18] Jess: can't do it. I'm not a
[00:23:19] Mikki: witch as much as I wish I were. I mean, that'd be a really cool power to have and be like, haha.
[00:23:25] Jess: Sorry. It'll rain foil. Yeah. When they set the new post and opened up the small fascia to tie in the roof extension, we discovered the original beam that tied the patio roof to the house had soft spots from old slow leaks. My stomach dropped. I feel like you're
[00:23:50] Mikki: reading this like in so much disgust, you're just like, oh, did it drop?
Did it drop? Did it drop a little bit? I mean that's a little fair. Like, I mean, it's fine, but here's the thing, guys, like we, I cannot impress this upon our listeners and watchers enough. Um, when you're opening anything preexisting, you have to be ready, like to find the stuff you would prepare yourself mentally for.
The stomach dropped moment, and then best case scenario, you never have it and everything goes smoothly and you're like, oh my God, that was amazing. Instead of not being prepared for the fact that like you're gonna open something up, you're gonna find something. That's why you have a little padding in your budget, right?
So yes, like it is a very high chance, depending on the age of your house, even new construction homes that people go back to a year later after moving in, they can find stuff because houses do what the houses do. You never know what's behind a wall. We dunno. You just keep
[00:24:49] Jess: that covered up so you don't see it.
If
[00:24:53] Mikki: you
[00:24:53] Jess: don't open it, you'll never know. You'll never know. Um, it was not catastrophic, but it needed sistering. Oh, sister. I don't know what that is. Okay. And I,
[00:25:05] Mikki: I certainly don't
[00:25:06] Jess: know what that is too. I was like, sister wives, what are we doing? Sister wives? We're doing sister,
[00:25:09] Mikki: we're bringing in multiple women.
That seems like a weird choice. Um, so sistering is when you basically have to take, like, something that's structural, like a structural piece of lumber. Mm-hmm. And you have to feather it in, like you have to like add it to. The existing. Okay. Or, and rep, like take out the old, put in the new, but you have to kind of overlap.
Okay. So because it's structural, so they kind like sistering it, it's like melding, mending, like, okay. In my mind, I imagine like almost like dovetailed joints where like the wood is going into the, and it just makes it, it adds like, gives it structural integrity. Okay.
[00:25:50] Jess: All right, now we know what Sistering is.
Now I know it's not. You find the sister wives. It's not the sister wives. Um, and partial replacement. So the new roof tie would be solid. That was an unexpected structural fix. The crew quoted $900 to fix it and wanted approval before they continued. Good for them. I approved because I didn't want a porch.
That fell apart in a storm. Yeah, good, fair. That's, I mean, you're doing it lady, all around. Good job. So golf club. Yeah. Hold on. And like, that wasn't like a, I mean, it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't, that's not bad. But honestly, a
[00:26:27] Mikki: $900, like this is the world's most affordable handyman. Like I, because I've, structural, structural thing is, is usually like 1200 or more, right?
Like the labor alone could have been $900. So it was genuinely a great deal.
[00:26:41] Jess: The handyman kept saying a permit wasn't necessary for a green porch this size. At first, I believed him, but everything about it nagged me. Every few days I bring it up again asking, are you sure we don't need one? What about the roof?
What about the wiring? He always brushed it off, but I didn't stop asking. Finally, after enough back and forth, he sighed. And said he'd go ahead and pull a permit just to make me feel better.
[00:27:06] Mikki: Oh, first of all, it's the law. Um, so no, we're not putting this on poor homeowner. That's not on her. I'm glad that she.
Nagged him, nagged him because 100% as we have discussed, I would say a nauseum at this point, you're running new anything, new electrical, new plumbing, you're putting on a deck on the outside of your house. Yes, it absolutely needs to be permitted because you want it to be inspected. Because listen, we don't really trust anybody.
Like, so everything not needs to be inspected. That is how. Things move forward in the world. Inspections are for your benefit, not for the the general contractor. So yes, it did. I'm glad that homeowner, yes. If you're watching I tip, we tipped the hat. Did a good job.
[00:27:57] Jess: You did it, lady. And that's when the next headache started.
Yeah. The county inspectors schedule was backed up and once the permit was in play, we had to stop until the framing inspection passed. It sat on the inspector's calendar for 10 days, 10 whole days. With half finished framing a messy job site and me staring at it every morning. Why? Wondering why this little project was dragging on forever.
All right. She's two weeks in.
[00:28:31] Mikki: You guys, I, the last thing, the last thing that I wanna do is say anything that will discourage people from sending in their homeowner horror stories. Because a, a huge part of our show, we, we love the homeowner horror stories. It's dependent upon you guys, right? Again, so the last thing I wanna do is be judgmental towards this homeowner that, that.
Graciously sent it in our homeowner horror story. Yes. But I do think it's really important when a homeowner says something that we feel like, Ooh, there's some room for improvement here. That we take that opportunity to kind of share the importance of understanding one. Permits are gonna add. A lot of value to your home because that home couldn't have, if she, if she were to turn around and sell her home, she couldn't sell it without, then she couldn't sell that, like as a, as a feature.
Mm-hmm. She couldn't add any value to the home because she has this $8,000 screened in porch. Um, so the permit serve as adding value. They also add time to the project because the general contractor has no control. Mm-hmm. Over when. The inspectors come now, I've said it before and I'll say it again. In the state of North Carolina, you have two days.
A, a a A inspector has two days to get to your home inspection. If they don't, you can call and report them and there are some pretty steep consequences for the inspectors. So, but that is just here and that is legislation that's actually just recently passed. So, you know, it's kind of a new thing. Um, but.
It can take a kind of wild amount of time. However, that shouldn't deter you. No. You, you just ex you're like, listen, it could take a, a certain amount of days. Does it suck? Yeah, hundred percent It does. But, but, but at the same time. It's just part of the process. Mm-hmm. It is like, I don't know, I've never had a root canal, but I imagine it's not great, but then when it's over you're like, ah, thank God I had that root canal.
You know, like, seems like a big deal. Seems like it could be very painful. Yeah. So while there's not, every single part of the process is not necessarily a joy, you know what I'm saying? You have to do it, um, necessary. Matters. Mm-hmm. Like, and those permits
[00:30:43] Jess: matter
[00:30:43] Mikki: more.
[00:30:44] Jess: Yeah. And I'm guessing that she probably was more upset that she had been asking for them.
[00:30:49] Mikki: Yes. And
[00:30:50] Jess: then he didn't do it. And now we're adding time.
[00:30:52] Mikki: Yeah. And now, and now what was supposed to be two weeks, we're 10 days in, or 14 at this point or least. I mean, we, we've, we've, we've exceeded the, the timeline. Mm-hmm. So, so I understand. I get it. I get it. It's fair, but it's not, but understanding that like this is just par for the course.
Mm-hmm. And technically it's not that handyman's fault. Yeah. I mean, none of it is, he can't control the rain and he can't control when they're gonna come. He can't control when the inspectors come. He shoulda done it. He should have done it from the beginning, and so we will give you that a hundred percent.
He should have done it from the beginning. You were right to, to hound him. Not that we're keeping score. No, we're not. Jess is not.
Listen, I'm a hot mess. Listen, it's fine. Same.
[00:31:36] Jess: All right. Let's see. Um, once the inspector signed off on the framing, things moved faster. The crew prioritized the finish work. Yay. Which is great. Yeah, because like she was probably nagging him the whole 10 days. She was like, I swear, I
[00:31:48] Mikki: God Billy, we don't know what, she didn't share his name.
I just made that up. Just so we're clear.
[00:31:54] Jess: If it was Billy, I'm very sorry. Yeah, Billy, we love you. Just kidding. They kept the site as clean as they could. When the composite boards finally arrived, they were meticulous getting the spacing and flashing right. The electrical inspector passed the circuits, the Dora Gut, proper key deadbolt, which made me sleep better.
[00:32:12] Mikki: Good. That's awesome. Good. This is, this is the least horror, horror story we've ever had. It's not, it's not the most clear, it's not really a horror story. It's not, we're getting there.
[00:32:22] Jess: Oh, I don't know if we're actually getting into a horrible bill, but finally we started moving forward Again, I had picked a particular composite deck board I liked the supplier, had one palette in stock, but suddenly their next shipment was delayed, and the color I wanted was backorder.
For two weeks, we could have taken a different color, but I had my heart set on the one that I chose. I swallowed the extra weight. I knew it was going to drive me nuts, but I wasn't going to be happy with any other color. Okay,
[00:32:52] Mikki: so what happens? That delay was on you, my friend.
[00:32:55] Jess: Yep. And that's what happens with like the popular colors.
[00:32:57] Mikki: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're Yeah. Facts. Like if you like what? Mm-hmm. If you saw it on HGTV, don't try to get it now. 'cause everybody else saw it too. That's where we're at.
[00:33:10] Jess: Yep. The handyman was friendly. Not great at giving daily updates. Sometimes I show up at lunch to and have to guess what they'd done that morning.
Small things like which screws to use or which dial of door latch were left to me to decide on the fly. Is that normal?
[00:33:31] Mikki: Oh no, that seems definitely not the screws. Like you shouldn't be telling a contractor what kind of screws to use for literally anything, unless for some reason you're me and you know these things.
But no, you should not be, I mean, I could see them asking like, do you prefer this kind of latch on the door over another one? Mm-hmm. But like. These should just be like brass or silver, you know, like
[00:33:56] Jess: it shouldn't be like, do you want the black screw, the silver screw the, I mean, maybe it was that the door turn doorknob a pushy one.
Yeah,
[00:34:04] Mikki: I, there's, it's like there's a, there's a selections that you are in the process of making, but honestly it, what kind of screws you're using should not be in that
[00:34:14] Jess: selection. It just seemed funny. Um. That made me anxious and led to a few small change orders. I didn't expect the small choices add up.
Yes. The devil's in the details. Yep. All those little things. Every time something's prettier, it's gonna go. The pretty we upgraded the screening to a pet proof mesh after the door dog clawed the temporary sample. It's a smart move.
[00:34:39] Mikki: Good. That was a move. That was a good move. Mm. That's another reason why I can't have a pet dude, Callie.
Oh my God, today, this dog, she's so smart. She's so smart. So she knows, like when she goes out, we let her out in the backyard. Mm-hmm. And she knows that like we, it is not as annoying for her to scratch the glass as it is to scratch the screen. So she'll like scratch the glass once and then she's like, oh, you don't wanna open the door.
I'll scratch this screen. So she goes to the other door where. She's so smart. Like too smart, bro. Dag on good. But then, then you just hear like, like the worst sound you've ever heard. You're like, okay, we gotta let her in before she tears up the screen. Oh my god. Dogs, they do what they want. Take this screen door right off.
Oh yeah. A hundred percent. I should probably tell Hector, just take it off. We don't use it. I was gonna say, when do you ever use that screen? One time Prime walked right into it and I never used it again. 'cause I felt so bad. It was one of those moments where it's just like, you know, he was like, did anybody see that?
Nobody
[00:35:45] Jess: saw me do those stupid thing. Right. He's like, oh, very ior my, my youngest, when we, I forget where we were. I think we were in France and they have the, like these glass doors and windows that lead into Yeah. Yeah. This beautiful courtyard inside of a building that we were touring. Yeah. And all of the windows have these red dots on them because so many people somebody has walked into.
Yes. So my husband and I and my oldest, we we're all walking. The little one's just behind us. Like you assume that she's just directly behind us. No. And all of a sudden you hear, oh.
[00:36:31] Mikki: And I turn around and she's like on her butt, ah, crying and holding her nose is not bleeding, this poor child. And I look at her, I'm like, oh man,
[00:36:45] Jess: what did you do? It came outta nowhere, mom. But the.is too high for her to see. Oh yeah. Because she was little.
[00:36:53] Mikki: Oh my God. So when we went to El Salvador, did Hector walk into a wall?
He did. And it was my, oh God, I have never felt so bad for anything in my life. So we get to this hotel we, I. And their whole thing was like they value privacy. Privacy is their biggest thing, so they make it like a wild goose chase in order to get to the property. So like, they don't give you directions, they don't give you mile markers.
They don't give you, like, how do you find it? They're like, if you find it, you find it. If you don't, you don't. Now to be fair, it was the most beautiful hotel I've ever stayed at. So like I appreciated the privacy and that nobody could find it, but. El Salvador at 7:00 PM and the sun is fully set and you're in the dark and you can't find your hotel and you're in a full blown panic.
It does spike the cortisol. Yeah. So we finally get there, and I am, my nervous system is shot, like we had been traveling all day. It was during the government shutdown. Like we didn't know if our flights were gonna happen. Like the level of stress was through the dag on roof, and we can. We finally got there and our room is amazing and it's got those like glass doors that like fully open.
Ooh. Yeah. So you can just have like the indoor outdoor experience. But the hotel people were being really weird. So like we, we got a two bedroom house mm-hmm. For the entire stay that were there. And. We didn't it, you know, it was like, it was on Airbnb, so it was like we, you get the whole house. It wasn't like half of our right house was gonna be rented to somebody else.
So our nephew who lives there was with us, and they were being so weird about him being there, and we were like, I'm sorry, is this whole thing ours? And they were like, yeah, okay, well then we can have whoever over that we want. And they were like, well, yeah. And I'm like, I don't understand. So it was this whole thing.
So everybody was stressed out. Mm-hmm. So. I am really weird about closing doors. I don't know. I don't know. It's some, it's probably some spicy deja vu moment from like some childhood experience. Mm-hmm. That I can't remember, but like I'm really bad, like if you leave a refrigerator door open, I close it.
It's bad. Mm-hmm. So they had left the door open. And Hector's thought was under the impression the door was still open and my, you had closed it. Evil human being body just went and like, without even thinking about it, I just closed the door and Hector turns around and he, hi. It so hard. Was he outside or inside?
Outside. And the. That's, I'm a problem, Jess. I'm the, the problem, I can just see him walking and poop. Oh my God. It was so bad you didn't laugh at him, did you? No, I was horrified. I was horrified and like full blown. His whole face print was on the glass, like it was terrible. We left it there so that he could.
See the glass for the rest of the trip, but walk every time I would need to walk in and I'd be like, you haven't closed the, the door. He'd be like, is it No. Oh my God. I, I'm, I couldn't believe he wasn't more mad at me than he was. He actually wasn't mad at me at all because he's such a good human. But I would've been so mad at him if it, the roles had been reversed.
So I was expecting like full on just rage and I never, yeah. Why did you close the door? When I'm right here out outside expecting him and be like, what is wrong with you? But I feel like he knows that Nobody knows.
[00:40:19] Jess: He's ju. He's like, I should have known you always kiss the door. This is on me. This is on me.
He was
[00:40:25] Mikki: just like, this is classic. Just shit Mickey would do. So this tr. Facts. So yeah, we both have a Glassdoor story. I don't feel like this goes exactly with the, with the homeowner horror story. I dunno what we're talking about. But we, we've gotten really good at
[00:40:40] Jess: Chicky chat. We're
[00:40:41] Mikki: chicky chatting our faces off right now, so You're welcome.
[00:40:44] Jess: Um, where was I? Okay, so they did, oh, we talked about the pet proof mesh. The screen, the pet proof mesh, we went on, went many directions, right? We, it took a turn full circle. Here we go. Um. So they had the key deadbolt on the screen door for biosecurity. Great. Those extras were small individually, but they pushed the number up.
But they were options we liked and thought would be better. I wish they had been presented to us in the beginning, but you don't know what you, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's just like little things. He probably heard you say, like you were worried about your safety or something like that. Yeah. I was like, oh, by the way, do you wanna.
[00:41:25] Mikki: I mean, I think like in, in the greater scheme of things, like getting it done at some point rather than not at all. Or after you're done. Right. And you feel like, oh, I wish we had done this. It may not be the most convenient thing, but like it's better to get it done while they're there and then have somebody come back and do it right.
So, like, eh, glass half full. Not sure. Yeah, we'll be fine.
[00:41:45] Jess: Um, so then she breaks down all of her expenses. Oh my God. Get it. Girl. Demo and prep. 500 Beam Repair and frame me extras. Nine. Okay. Composite flooring. 2,200. All right. Screening and frames. The pet proof upgrade 1800. Okay. Electrical fan and outlet nine 50.
Permanent in inspections. Bargain, 200 paint, trim caulk, three 50. Also a bargain, dumpster and cleanup 200. I feel like that's a steal, like, 'cause every time we need a dumpster is like 400. Yeah,
[00:42:16] Mikki: no less than $5,000. I'm just 500. Oh. So yeah, that was a good, like so far, this is all great numbers.
[00:42:23] Jess: Yeah.
Change orders in miscellaneous 750, final total 8,850. So she's only eight 50 over what she originally wanted. To spend. I mean, I mean it's over, it's like 1300 over the original price you just quoted. But that was even low. Yeah,
[00:42:39] Mikki: that was low. I mean, honestly, I would share this guy's information like he, he did a great job.
Like it, it, it.
[00:42:48] Jess: You have no issues. I think he, I mean, don't we wanna come up to North Carolina? Like, listen, we know some
[00:42:54] Mikki: money.
[00:42:55] Jess: Um, yes. We signed a contract. It was simple and had a start date, total price of $7,500 in the 50% deposit clause. It did not have any detailed change order rules, did not specify inspector turnaround expectations, which you can't really.
Again.
[00:43:12] Mikki: Yeah, I mean, I think it would be smart for general contractors to be like, Hey, you know, just to be clear, homeowner, we don't have any control over one the weather or two when the inspector comes. Mm-hmm. But it sounds to me like he was not planning on getting an inspection. Right. So I'm gonna be honest with you.
She's lucky he didn't turn around and charge her for the inspection fees and for the, the permit pulling fees. Now, technically it probably should have already been built in.
[00:43:38] Jess: Mm-hmm. '
[00:43:39] Mikki: cause it should have been getting inspected anyway. But you know, like that just, well it says
[00:43:43] Jess: 200.
[00:43:45] Mikki: Okay, so he did charge for that.
[00:43:47] Jess: Yeah,
[00:43:47] Mikki: but well, I don't I dunno. I don't know. That seems weird. Hmm. Because it to the total still came, only came out to 2,850. Yeah.
[00:43:59] Jess: I don't know. I dunno. Um, I signed it because I wanted to protect myself and because I trusted the neighbor's referral, in hindsight, I should have insisted on a clearer change order clause with the schedule and the schedule milestones and penalties.
But she still wouldn't have been able to penalize him for weather.
[00:44:15] Mikki: Yeah. And that's the thing is like I, I do think, I do think all that is great. You should have. That is great insights. You should have that. But do understand that you can't penalize the general contractor over weather and you can't penalize the general contractor over how long it takes for the inspector to show up.
So while I do agree mm-hmm. You should have that in your contract. Like all contracts you sign. I don't think in this case it would've done you any different. Like you couldn't have charged the general contractor a penalty for that, but she's right, like do
[00:44:46] Jess: have that in your contract. You need to have that in your contract.
The process was inconvenient. We had to move the patio furniture into the garage. I couldn't put out my potted herbs for a month. On the emotional side, I felt foolish. More than furious. I kept asking myself, why didn't push harder about the permit upfront or to ask more. Details about the timeline. Some mornings I would go out, look at the half finished porch and cry for five minutes because everything looked messy and the house somehow felt less like my sanctuary.
There are a few nights where I lay awake worrying about storms and whether the beam fix was sufficient. But there were also funny human moments. It's like, like if she's like a writer of some sort, like, yeah, maybe it's very, um, detailed. Yes. My neighbor brought over dinner the night the crew worked late.
My daughter insisted on supervising, would hand the crew ice tea, the handyman, and I had a few frank conversations where I learned the trade-offs between time costs and quality. Those talks calmed me down. Good. Good. Seems
[00:45:51] Mikki: like
[00:45:52] Jess: a really good general contractor. Yeah. Would I call this a horror story? Not really.
It was stressful and it pushed our budget up by 850 and 1300 more than they quoted us. It added a month to the timeline. From a purely logistical point of view, it was not great From an emotional point of view, it felt huge. That's the part that surprised me. Small renovations take up a big space in your head.
What I learned. Ooh, we got to that section. There we go. Here we go. This is why all homeowners, well, maybe, I don't know. We'll, we'll let you know. Get the permit conversation straight on day one. If your contractor says you don't need one, check with the county yourself. I agree. Yes. That is a great lesson.
Good. Good job. Sign a contract, but read the change order and timeline clauses. Ask what happens if a material is back ordered and what the process is for structural surprises.
[00:46:47] Mikki: Great advice. Yes, we, I support
[00:46:50] Jess: this. Yep. But you can't fix, like if a material is backorder, like
[00:46:55] Mikki: Right. If a material is backorder, like what's the process for that is you either wait or you pick a different material.
I like that. Those are your choices. And the material
[00:47:03] Jess: is more expensive. You still have to pay for that.
[00:47:04] Mikki: Yeah. You still have to pay for, that's not the contractor's fault.
[00:47:06] Jess: Yeah.
[00:47:06] Mikki: Yeah. It's
[00:47:07] Jess: not the contractors. Um. Add a 10 to 15% cushion for goosebumps. Yes, items like rotted beams or material delays, and even small surprises, cost money, designate a decision window.
Tell yourself you'll make quick choices on small details so the job doesn't stall. Mm-hmm. That reduce my anxiety more than anything. Bring snacks for the crew. Yes, it really does buy you goodwill and maybe a little extra care when there's a tricky trim detail fax machine. She's not lying snacks. That is all the snacks.
[00:47:40] Mikki: All the snacks. Feed the contractors, they're hungry. Get them water. Yes. Like snackies. Mm-hmm. Seriously, it go. It
[00:47:48] Jess: really does go a long way. In the end, we got what we wanted. We have a quiet bug-free porch where we now drink coffee. The fan hums the dog can't tear the screens and the kids use it as a homework nook.
Oh, cute. Yeah. It costs $8,850, took about six weeks instead of two, and I cry twice in the process. I still recommend doing it. Just go into it knowing how emotional even a small project can be, and protect yourself with clear paperwork and reasonable expectations. Thanks for having this podcast and letting me share.
It's been nice hearing other stories and knowing I'm not alone and making mistakes. Aw, thanks for writing in. Yeah. Yeah. And her name is, we're not gonna say it, but we're going to call her Susan.
[00:48:32] Mikki: Susan, thank you so much, Susan, not Susan, for writing in. I think that was all really great information. Mm-hmm.
I am glad that she started small. Mm-hmm. Because I think realistically. Personality type. I don't know that you're the best for home renovations. I think you would be somebody who would be best suited, especially for large projects, to move out. Move out, move out. Mm-hmm. Because she's, you're not wrong. Like, like she's not wrong.
Home renovations can cause very deep emotional stress. Um, I would say in this case. I wouldn't say that anything that happened would've been like a legitimate cause for deep emotional stress, but like, we're all different, right? Like we're all different. Mm-hmm. Like everybody has different thresholds. Because I work in construction, I, I can handle a lot more shenanigans than other people can.
Mm-hmm. But I understand that that's not the same case for everybody. So I think it's about you understanding like where you're at. So that you can go into the situation and best protect yourself. So if you know that you're somebody that, if you saw that the job site was a mess, is really gonna mess with you, don't be there.
Mm-hmm. Close the curtains don't look, you know, like,
[00:49:41] Jess: it's like the Wizard of Oz. There's nothing behind the curtain. Yeah. There's
[00:49:44] Mikki: nothing behind the curtains. Just tell yourself there's nothing behind the curtains. So it's just really about really knowing who you are and, and knowing that there is a huge amount of disruption.
So keeping that in mind. Mm-hmm. Um, it really is. But this was a great, it was a great, very well written. Thank you for that. Thank you, thank you. And how you concluded it was very good. And those are really good tips. Yes. Those are really good tips. So those
[00:50:06] Jess: are
[00:50:06] Mikki: all tips that
[00:50:07] Jess: every
[00:50:07] Mikki: homeowner can use. So thank you for hundred, bringing those to us.
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[00:50:38] Mikki: All right, guys, we'll see you on the next one. Bye bye.