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I'm Brian Bashore, Professional walleye angler and owner of The Walleye Guys Guide service. I am here to reel you in with captivating stories, expert tips, and interviews with some of the biggest names in the fishing community. So, sit back, relax, and let the drag scream!
Brian Bashore (00:01.986)
Hey folks, thanks for tuning into another episode of Real Talk Fishing with No Limits. Today we got a special podcast coming at you. The fishing industry, the world of tournament circuits are changing rapidly and we got a special release coming. It's happening and there's no better person, no better way to learn this stuff, this forward -facing sonar that you hear all about than learning from Mr. Tom Nguyen himself. Tom, how we doing?
Tom (00:28.068)
I'm good. How are you doing? Thanks for having me back.
Brian Bashore (00:30.958)
You bet. Yes, Tom is a, was our first guest and I think we're approaching episode 30 here. So he's a, he's back, but we got, he's got some big news. we want to talk about that here shortly. but just recap kind of, you know, it's, it's been a busy year. Tom's done really well in the national wildlife tour is sitting in a third place, I believe for angular year and points only eight points, out of first right now. you know, and whenever this airs, we.
Tom may be the champion, Tom may be in the process of becoming the champion at that point. But, Ford facing solar is clearly a huge part of your game. You're traveling with a team of guys and I imagine helping them learn some things over. then as you did the smart thing, a team up with these chase and Corey and Kimos and these guys to learn some of these other traditional, methods just in case. Right. But it does make, I imagine breaking water down a little bit easier for you, but kind of a tell everybody, you know,
How do you go into it? What is your approach, you know, with the forward facing sonar when you're, when you're coming to a new lake or planning for a tournament.
Tom (01:35.408)
Well, I mean, I just, you know, the first few years I did it by myself and, went to these massive bodies of water and I would just kind of, I wouldn't even look at a map, of the lake or contours literally until the night before I start pre -fishing because I would, I would go there, I would check it out, but, and I would just pick an area that I thought would mimic
what I like to fish back here at home. For just an example, last year at Sault Ste. Marie, giant body of water, big river system, you can go to Superior, you can go to Huron. So there, I just looked at the map and there was two areas that I saw that was out of current, okay? So, and they were pretty much systems, smaller systems all on their own. And it gave me a...
Brian Bashore (02:15.32)
Yes.
Tom (02:35.216)
smaller area to break down. So one of those, I can't remember the name of the lake, but there's a lake there, Lake George. Lake George is kind of its own little system. And I went in there and prefished, I found some walleyes there, and they were quality, they were decent size, but I just wasn't getting bit enough in there. So then.
Brian Bashore (02:44.802)
Like George. Yep. Yep. You're right by me one day fishing in there.
Tom (03:02.642)
I looked at the map again, the other place was like 50 some miles from launch. And, it was like, it was in a Bay, totally protected from current had these islands, rock piles and stuff. I'm like, I'm to go down there and I hate running that far, whatever. but I went down there and the first little rock pile I came up, I'm like, that's exactly what I was looking for. And so that's where I ended up. took a top 10 in that tournament, but
That's kind of what I do. I look at these places, Mississippi River, for example, I look for places again out of the current and they were smaller areas, but that's what I did. And I just picked those areas of weeds and stuff apart. So that's how I do it with LifeScope, Ford, Faces, Sonar. And, you know, this year I did decide to team up with Chase, Corey, and Tommy, because like I thought, you know, there was a piece I was missing.
I'm using electronics solely to go and break these places down. But one, you know, and people say not to fish history. It sounds like that's what I'm doing with these guys, but also they have all of that traditional fishing knowledge from where tournaments were won before. Why these systems are the way they are. Like I learned so much from Springle this year on Lake Erie. It was unbelievable.
I'd been to Erie before with my buddy Nate and we caught fish, I was just, I would just want, we just went fishing. I wasn't looking at water tap. I wasn't looking at water color. And at the time I didn't realize how many current systems was running through Lake Erie. Listening to Corey, I'm like, Holy crap. know, that's something to it. Yeah. And so I chased, that's what I chased. I chased that particular water color.
Brian Bashore (04:50.006)
And how important water clarity is there.
Tom (04:58.802)
And then, you know, the story with the barge and lock three going down to pull four. So without those guys too, you know, I wouldn't have gotten to 30 minutes had started fishing in the spot. And so there's some advantages of that. And I'm learning a lot of things like that and to incorporate with what I know with electronics and, you know, hope. And then also
Brian Bashore (05:13.41)
Yeah.
Tom (05:29.254)
You know, I've always said it, if you're a good traditional angler and can start learning some of the stuff I know with electronics, you're going to be a lot better than I am. And, Corey Springle showed out a little bit in this last tournament and all he did was stand up on the front of the bow. You know what I mean? So it was awesome for me to see that and talk about scary if he starts dialing. So.
Brian Bashore (05:43.277)
Yes, he did.
Brian Bashore (05:52.492)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (05:57.87)
It's just a matter of time. Everybody's starting to, you know, some of you guys were at it earlier and better and you brought it, you know, in the bass world and brought that over and Lord knows plenty of bass techniques working in the walleye world. I don't think there was a day I didn't throw a nether rig or drop shot at the last tournament or a chatter bait on the Mississippi river. mean, sorry folks, these things work. they work as good or as well? Not always, but sometimes in just a different flavor is all it takes once in while too. So.
Tom (06:16.678)
Nope.
Tom (06:22.61)
Yep,
Brian Bashore (06:25.934)
You know, there's a little bit on the schedule next year where I imagine some of those things may come into play again, but that's a team of anglers, a group of guys that has got, talk about a, just a massive wealth of knowledge to partner with. mean, you couldn't have made a better move or the better group of guys that, but yeah, scary chase gets that dialed in. Corey gets that dialed in. Kemos has been working on that thing a long time being a big Garmin man. And I know he knows how to catch him on it. yeah. You kidding about, about getting scary. So it is, it's just.
Tom (06:44.028)
you
Tom (06:51.588)
I'm gonna go.
Brian Bashore (06:55.79)
It's fishing. It's just the way it is. You know, we talked about memories or fishing these tournaments, you know, it's and we do the same thing when I try with Takasaki been around forever knows how these tournaments were won back in 1995 Dan Steer wanted over here doing this, you know, it's like great but wanted over here doing this no longer applies at all anymore. I mean period that's maybe over there's a place I'll go look but I'm not doing that because I don't have to. it's just
Tom (07:16.626)
Yeah.
Tom (07:20.838)
Yep. Yep.
Brian Bashore (07:24.782)
I keep telling people, know, and people that are listening, if you're in the tournament game, if you're not using it, you're not really competing at the highest level because there's a 10, 12 of you guys that are, can go in anywhere, anytime, any body of water. Like you said, not even looking at a map, you know, with a couple of days of practice, maybe. And get it figured out more or less now.
Tom (07:33.584)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (07:47.03)
Local knowledge helps a ton. lot of experience knowledge and just general fishing can help you break that body down, which you have. And, know, mostly people have any way that are at that level that understand transitional patterns and key areas to kind of go focus on. But there's also a lot of fish. You know, I always tell people I've never seen a fish a while. I read the walleye insider magazine. So just cause we think that's what they're supposed to be doing doesn't mean that's what they're doing. Right. And they're finding that out with Ford. You're like out in the middle of wherever the bass guys will tell you that.
80 % of these bass are catching now have never even been fished because they're out in the middle of the lake, know Suspended throwing, you know minnows at them
Tom (08:24.412)
Yeah, well, even before using Garmin LifeScope to catch walleyes, I only remember my, you know, watching Bassmaster Live and these guys catching massive walleyes in places that us walleyes anglers traditionally never looked. And one thing that sticks out in my mind, just like three, four years ago, one of the guys caught one, what was it? Lake Oahe?
and one of the Bassmaster elites over trees. It was like a 12 pounder and like 70 feet. So all that has always stuck in my mind is like, we can see these bass guys catching these giants. They're never small. So I'm always like, that was in my head, like, well, why not go look in these untraditional places?
Brian Bashore (08:58.037)
yep.
Brian Bashore (09:14.306)
Yep. And then they, you know, they were lacrosse a few years back, which NWT is going there next year, which isn't really known as a walleye fishery on that pool necessarily below it. Be pool nine, think, which is a great fishery, but eight's great bass fishery, but there's walleye. Those guys were there for their bass tournament and throwing chatterbaits fishing, you know, bass up in these weeds and kind of junk fishing and ripping out six, seven, eight pound walleyes. So they're a predator. That's, they're going to go where the bait is no matter how hot. I mean, I fished.
Tom (09:37.744)
Okay, yeah.
Brian Bashore (09:42.744)
surprisingly super shallow most all summer long and some two to eight foot because it's got weeds and You know it as a Minnesota guy where there's weeds. There's walleyes Especially in the summer Especially right now when it's hot. It's full of bait. There's cover. I mean, you know lake traffic gets busy The weeds are just the place to be. that is So if you didn't know that people it's not secret go go fish find weeds and you'll find walleye and pretty much everything else
Tom (09:53.076)
Yep, in the summer. Oxygen. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (10:12.832)
It's a time to have a fluorocarbon leader on by the way because Pike liked to live in those weeds too. So, so, Sakakuea was one of the last tournaments you got there. He did the Dakota Walleye Classic, but more importantly you spent a day out there doing wheelchairs and walleyes. What was that all like and what was that about?
Tom (10:17.126)
Yep.
Tom (10:29.98)
Yep. It was a great experience and I never honestly never even heard of it until I was on my way out there. I was driving out there and I get a social media message from that tournament director of the DWC who's also the head behind wheelchairs and walleyes. And he said, I know you're going to be in the area. it'd be great if you could stop by.
It's a ranger sponsored event. know you don't have a ranger, but even, just you could come by, it'd be great. And so I was thinking like, you know, it's the first thing I thought was like, well, I had planned as I was going to fish this section of the lake, whatever, you know, it didn't take me long to,
Brian Bashore (11:15.874)
Right.
Tom (11:21.874)
I would make up my mind is like, you know, I looked into it a little bit on their Facebook page and what they were doing. They were building that ramp. They built it in 48 hours. It's a super expensive project that they donated to Mule Bay there and they're trying to get it. They've got all the plans. They've got all the specs and stuff now that are all, what do want to call it? They're all approved by all the agencies that they can put them pretty much anywhere now. So that's nice.
and the goal is, is to put them across the country and a lot of these popular fishing spots. people, anybody can go fishing now. It doesn't matter if you're the wheelchairs and walleyes was focused on kids who are confined to wheelchairs. but that it can be anybody. it could be, you know, your grandparents who can't get out anymore, you know, they have a hard time getting in boats. It's exactly what this is for. And for me to.
you know, what, what made me think, you know, I'm going to go do this for this day is just thinking about, know, my grandma growing up when I was growing up, she had polio when she was a kid, she was born with polio. all I remember is her having braces on her legs all throughout my life, you know, all her life. And she passed away probably five years ago or so, but, you know, one of my favorite people in the world, but.
You know, I just started thinking like as I was driving, I'm like, you know, what it would feel like if she could get into my boat and she passed away before I even fished while I tournament or had a big boat. But I always started thinking about how cool that would be. so, yeah, we went my buddy, Ryan, who Ryan Subart, who invited me to fish this. We never fished together before ever. But.
You know, he was all about it too. He's like, let's, you know, let's go do this. So we went, and it was cool to see there was some, there was a family who came all the way up from Nebraska, just to do it, to get, their kid can get in the, in a boat and fit. And it was pretty cool to see that. And, we're hoping to, you know, I'm, I've gotten involved with, wheelchairs and walleyes now because I could see how passionate, Jeff and his wife are about the project. And that's the.
Brian Bashore (13:32.3)
long drive.
Tom (13:48.398)
organizer and yeah I'm down to help them going forward and trying to grow this thing. You know there's some Lake of the Woods and Devils Lake I believe are looking at Fallen suit so that's kind of cool.
Brian Bashore (14:06.562)
It is, think, I think Lake Oahe may have, I've seen another one of those somewhere else. I want to say it was up in Lake Oahe somewhere, but it may have not have been a permanent one or just brought in. The thing's massive. I mean, what they had there was, was huge and yeah, they had some videos showing it being operated and that's pretty slick.
Tom (14:18.108)
Yeah.
Tom (14:23.632)
It is, it's a nice thing and you know, they have a Facebook page and stuff if anybody's interested in going and checking it out and all that. And it's cool because we're all, at some point, all of us aren't going to be able to just go step up in our votes anymore. And that's going to make a world of difference and make somebody's day life even. So it's pretty fun.
Brian Bashore (14:49.058)
Yeah, it's a, that's a pretty cool thing and good on you for doing that. And you're exactly right. It can happen just like that. And now you're in need of one of those things and there isn't one available. So having those around and more accessible and helping to raise some money to get those. Cause it's a, like said, it's a, that's a big contraption, big unit and there's no way that's very cheap, you know, and then trying to put those out at a public boat ramp thing and keeping the maintenance up and hoping someone punk doesn't vandalize it and tear it up. You know,
Tom (15:07.534)
No.
Tom (15:14.594)
inside.
Brian Bashore (15:16.524)
And then the fact that it's on a reservoir and the water levels may rise or, you know, it's just, there's ongoing costs associated with it. And like you said, I'm, sure it's not cheap to begin with. So, yeah, he's doing some things here with that Dakota Walleye Classic. saw they had a, some new sponsors and scholarships are looking to do next year. I believe he's the mayor of Belua too. yeah, they're, going to be doing some, raising money for some scholarships for people going to basically in a natural resource, type field in that North Dakota area. So.
A lot of great things happening up there. Tom was awesome to see you up there. you were in, you won that tournament. So congrats on that. I was obviously in the right spot because we were fishing to each other, but I didn't, didn't get, I didn't get those bites. but same deal, pre -fishing for a day. Clearly we found the same fish. I had actually caught some decent ones. They're bigger than I caught during a tournament the day before, but, it was no secret. It's kind of a common spot as there was, it wasn't crowded, but there was a handful of handful of boats there, I would say.
Tom (15:53.813)
Thank you.
Tom (16:11.804)
This is about
Yeah, until the wind blew the second day and then...
Brian Bashore (16:17.166)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So me beat feet out of there and I came back at one o 'clock when it died and got like a 25 and a 22 or something, but it was, I ran out of time at that point. I, yeah, I couldn't that it's the cracking, right? The Garmin trolling motor you got that thing is just a beast. I couldn't even keep me out minding the water and my kicker motor is on. And I was like, we're screwed. My batteries are kind of getting shot. Like I said, I haven't got my new Doris lithiums haven't showed up yet. but that you put that sucker to the test that day.
Tom (16:21.732)
Yeah.
Tom (16:35.601)
Yeah.
Tom (16:46.578)
They did. Nope. Like when we launched that morning a slick calm, we're like, this is exactly what they predicted. Nope.
Brian Bashore (16:46.594)
Wasn't supposed to be windy. Nope, but that's...
Brian Bashore (16:53.431)
Yup.
Nope. Then you got the other side of the lake. You're like, not bad. And about three hours later, like this isn't very good. don't, were you getting them before it blew or did you get them all kind of after or just kind of picked them up one throughout the day?
Tom (17:02.16)
Yeah.
Tom (17:05.894)
Just throughout, yeah, even in that high wind we were catching some, but I think we only had six the first day, seven, the second day, something like that. We didn't catch a lot of I was just trying to see. So what you said about, you know, on your pre -fish day, found some decent ones, but not in the tournament. I was opposite. I, when I went out there and like, okay, I told Ryan, I'm like,
Brian Bashore (17:29.59)
you caught him when it mattered.
Tom (17:34.642)
So I'm just going to fish this like we have to win. Meaning like, just don't, I'm not going to cast until I see that mark that's right. And we casted a lot of marks that were decent size, getting them to bite, whole different story. They were pretty picky. Everywhere we've gone this year, they've been pretty picky. Yes. And even just fun fishing for me this year has been tough. Or I shouldn't say fun fishing, but I'm getting content for.
Brian Bashore (17:50.178)
Yeah, there it was.
Brian Bashore (17:54.68)
picky.
Brian Bashore (18:03.99)
Right. You're working, Tom, you're working.
Tom (18:04.322)
university it's yeah but even that's been tough to get the fish tougher to get the fish to bite night i think it's just a you know we had the early spring if you want to call it that the fish are kind of just a little bit off track and or we're off track you know yeah -huh
Brian Bashore (18:20.014)
All right. Well, we thought it would be early, but I saw it was early, but it didn't really get warm. They didn't even break hardly nineties and feel like summer until after the 4th July. So we've had a long spring and kind of summer and now the last couple of weeks has actually gotten pretty cool outside the week in North Dakota, which was not cool at all. But that's fine. I'll take that any day. So yeah, they're kind of in a funk, but do you think it's the pressure from all the forward facing sonar on them?
Tom (18:35.536)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (18:49.654)
No, just in a funk.
Tom (18:49.712)
No, no, because yeah, because the place I fished at Green Bay, there was no, mean, it was relatively unpressured before the tournament. then, Sakakawea, that area, no. that, that's one place out there that is still have, well, had yet to see the power of forward facing sonar. If you want to go like there, there, there's still a lot of traditional stuff going on out there.
Brian Bashore (19:14.638)
Yep.
Tom (19:20.028)
maybe until this year, but so Sakakawea, I can't say that had anything to do with it either.
Brian Bashore (19:26.304)
No, I actually have a lot of local friends and the funny thing going into that was they told me that it doesn't work out there. So the guys that are really good at it were like, it's just not working. It's not working because they're seeing the same thing we were, they were being real picky. The difference is the guy like you, who's got so much confidence in it. You're like, they might be picky, but I'm going to, I'm going to talk this one into giving up eventually. Right. Where these guys are going to go back to their traditional, I'm dropping a crick job out the back of the boat and I'm going to rig right through it. And you might very well get it to bite. And so that kind of.
Tom (19:33.34)
I remember you said that.
Tom (19:40.113)
Mm
Tom (19:46.258)
Yeah, that's what you gotta do.
Brian Bashore (19:55.362)
messes with their mind and it's, it's different when you're the local. The same thing happened on Mississippi river. They said fishing is not good. And we get there and we're like, it seems pretty good to me, you know, because we're doing different outside the box type stuff than what they're used to. And we don't fish it every day. So we don't know what, what good, you know, standards really are to them. cause I got Scott Cuyah and within the first five casts with forward face Hunter, I'm like, seems to work fine. I don't seem to seem to be working just fine. I'm not sure what the problem is.
Tom (20:04.444)
Yeah, yep.
Tom (20:10.204)
No. That's all. No.
Tom (20:20.427)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (20:24.792)
So, but yeah, I think they all have seen their eyes open to that out that way. And you're going to see some more, you know, guys going into it, but it's just, you know, Randy and I talked about it. We're like, doing the same thing. We're fishing right next to Tom here. We're fishing next to these people in this tournament. like, how many different ways can you wiggle your worm? I'm like, I don't know. We're all up. That's what I guarantee. I'm using the exact same stuff even, you know, but might have a longer leader, short leader, but I tell them, I said, it's just confidence. I'm like, they can read what you're throwing at better.
Tom (20:50.49)
It is.
Brian Bashore (20:54.732)
You know, you're understanding the size of the fish. You're not wasting casts. I'm like, and they just have so much confidence in it. You're just sticking with it. You know, just.
Tom (21:02.224)
Yeah. And I keep myself like grounded in the boat. Even cause Green Bay, much all these places this year, it was a struggle to like Green Bay getting the limit, but struggle to get these bites and especially with these no -call events, getting the right bites and making the right decisions. So what I do is I limit myself in my boat.
to only just a few different things that I can use in a day. Like, so I don't have all those choices. don't have, I don't be like, I'm not gonna be like, I'm gonna go pick up that jig wrap because I don't even have one. I don't have a Berkeley Finisher in the boat because I don't have a Northland Puppet Mendo. I'm sponsored by Northland, but I don't have, so I keep what I'm confident in and that's it. Two or three things. Like Ryan Subart that fished that with me. We fished for the first time ever, like I said.
Great guy, but when we first met at the house we were staying at and he's like, hey, can I put some tackle in your boat? I'm like, all right. So he gives me like four or five boxes of, I put them all on the boat and I put them in compartments. And then he looks over the side of the boat a little bit later and he goes, he goes, do you put my stuff back in the truck? like, no, it's in the boat. He goes, in your compartment? I said, yeah. And I said, you got more?
Brian Bashore (22:13.378)
You're like, that's four too many. Just bring one of those.
Tom (22:30.14)
because I thought that's what he's asking for. And he goes, well, yeah, if you got rooms, he brings like nine boxes of stuff like he's traditionally used there all the way in my compartment. And when we start fishing, he's like, where's my stuff? And I'm like, just in those compartments there. he picked and there so much extra room still. He's like, where's your stuff? And I in the Vexus under the livewell. It's like a compartment this big. That's all I have.
Brian Bashore (22:38.114)
All right, yep.
Brian Bashore (22:52.664)
You'd like to try it here.
Yeah. You're like, here's my jig and here's my whatever. What more do I need?
Tom (23:01.462)
I have my thing of plastics, have my jig box, and that's it. And he's like, that's unbelievable. And he goes, and I've gotten this a few times this year, where from Coangler to whatever, and they're like, you really do just use these things. And I'm like, I tell you guys.
Brian Bashore (23:17.484)
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not making this up. And keep it simple stupid is the old kiss acronym, right? And I can't agree more, especially on river systems where we just overthink this because we have options and electronics and all this stuff that makes you over complicate something that really isn't very difficult, especially the forward facing. So it is simple as put a nightcrawler, a minnow or whatever on a jig and drop it in their face.
Tom (23:33.692)
No.
Tom (23:41.217)
And tournaments too, you throw a whole different thing, mental thing into it. So people spin out a lot and they start tying all this up on switch colors, switch this, switch that and all that's time. And for me, it's like, if I am confident throughout the year catching a fish or in pre -fish catching, hey, I know they're biting this just because 20 fish in a row follow my bait down, look at my bait, don't eat it.
Brian Bashore (23:44.898)
Mm. Yep.
Tom (24:08.73)
It doesn't mean they won't. It doesn't mean one won't. So then I just keep going, go to that next fish, go to the next fish. Cause one, some is going to eat it. That's exactly it. And, and more and more people ask me like, do I do that? like, my mindset going into a tournament, is I need five bites a day and I'd have one and a half hours per bite. That's what I tell myself.
Brian Bashore (24:16.974)
Only need five of them to bike, right? So.
Tom (24:36.434)
every single tournament. need one and a half hours per bite. So like day two of Sakakui NWT actually, I went out there and caught my biggest fish within five minutes. So I told my coangler, now instead of an hour and a half, I have in two hours, no, two hours and 50 minutes to catch my second fish. So that's how my mind works as far as that goes when you're looking for in those tournaments where you need all five big fish. So.
Brian Bashore (24:52.526)
to our end.
Brian Bashore (25:04.174)
And that keeps you from spinning out because you're like, it's only been 30 minutes, man. I'm not even near my two hour and 50 minute window yet. You know, ask me in three hours how I feel, but until then, I'm just going to keep my head down and keep going. And that's kind of how those fish were. mean, you would have to throw it 40 of them, follow it down to finally get one of them to take it. And I had days where, it's kind of, you know, it's forward facing, on our spooking them up out there. I would say definitely not because you would see some fly from 40 feet away.
Tom (25:06.396)
Nice.
Yep, that's it.
Yep. Yep.
Tom (25:18.396)
Yes.
Brian Bashore (25:31.214)
The water was pretty clean, but I'm like, he's coming in hot and then it wouldn't take it. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. You flew in that far or you flew off the bottom and you didn't need it. They'd have one that, know, I felt a lot suspended, letting it drop and then holding it there and wiggling or doing whatever and getting them to go up. then some of like, if they're going down, I was like, let them go, just let them chase it to the bottom and then just sit it. You know, he's like, I'm just letting, I'm like, yeah, I'd let it sit there for maybe 30 seconds even.
Tom (25:37.244)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (26:01.486)
Then all of a sudden, yeah, if you're still looking at it, I'm like, don't even move it. Don't move it. And then eventually you just, you'd feel a little tap and wham. And those are usually the pretty good ones. So I'm like, but it was different every day. You know, some days they'd stay up there and eat it, hit it on the way down or catch it 10 feet off bottom. And some were like, like one day I was like, every one of those came off the bottom, you know, or followed it down and then picked it up, but they wouldn't touch it if it wasn't on the bottom. I'm like, all right, but we can watch them and learn from them. that's.
Tom (26:01.532)
Yep, as long as our fish is down there looking at it, leave it. Yep. Yeah, it was.
Tom (26:21.894)
Come on.
Brian Bashore (26:30.306)
That's, that's the trick, right? So we're getting into the whole Ford faces, so all our stuff. let's talk about that. So this, what Tom's got going on is Tom went university, tell everybody about this and how they can get it. Where it's at. What are we going to see? What's associated with it? That's what we're bringing us podcast to you for folks. You can understand this. We can get inside of Tom's massive class brain in here and we can, know, sound like he's really broken this stuff down for us on these videos.
Tom (26:31.868)
What?
Tom (26:52.69)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (27:00.376)
telling us what he sees and how and I don't know I'm signing up I can tell you that because
Tom (27:07.834)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (27:08.0)
I would say how many ways can he wiggle a worm, but obviously you're seeing something different, doing something different. But I mean, he just gave the viewers a whole bunch of points there and it's just, it's really just keeping it simple and not over overthinking things. But Tom Wynn University, what is it? What are we looking at? What are we getting?
Tom (27:23.248)
Yeah. So I mean, the idea came about a little over two years ago and, you know, just, talking to people, a couple of people, Nate and I, my tournament partner, Nate Wolski and I met, and we, know, they, they're eager to learn forward facing sonar and they're like, you know what? You should think about teaching this and
I'm like on the water stuff or what? And they're like, well, maybe. But then we started thinking about it and started looking at what's out there for fishing education. And the primary avenue for learning techniques and stuff to fish is YouTube. But with YouTube, there's no organization. You can go search something. There's good information on YouTube, but you have to sort through so much stuff.
If you find the right video, let's just say it's a eight minute video, you might find 15 seconds worth of stuff that you have to filter all the way through. And if you fast forward through the wrong thing, you know, you split it. and, so then we're thinking like, okay, how do we teach people, keep their attention and actually make them learn. And so we. Borrowed some ideas from actual,
Brian Bashore (28:30.168)
Yeah.
Tom (28:50.32)
you know, continuing education from very high profile schools, very high profile school. And looked at that and it's like, you know what, we can do something like that for the fishing community and organize it. So it's, it's curriculum based. It's, it's, it's like the way that schools, the way
teaching is organized to effectively educate people so that they can retain it. So we took that idea, put all of my fishing knowledge with Ford Facing Sonar and like tournament thinking, just everything with the electronics, putting it into this so that people can have it at their fingertips. Like they can, if they have an issue with...
there, if they think they have an issue with their ghost tree, for example, they can open this up, they can log in, they can go down the side and there's eight different modules that they can choose from. And then there's a dropdown and then each dropdown has subcategories and they find ghost tree and they can go in there and click that. It's just right there. Ghost tree explained. Could you hide it? Should you leave it? Does it matter that it's there? I explained all of that.
That's just an example. it goes, and you know, when I started putting this, you know, this content together too, there was a lot I left out because.
To me, a lot of the stuff was trivial, meaning like, there's a lot of the stuff that I learned in the beginning that to me now is like, duh, type stuff. But I was reminded by the people helping me do this, they're like.
Brian Bashore (30:42.222)
It may be duh to you now, but not duh to you when you started.
Tom (30:46.438)
I'm a hundred percent. So we went back and did all of the basics and stuff like that and just went through and then it taught me a lot to do it. And I'm like, you know what? There's a lot that I did do and didn't under, didn't realize it back then. And so it's just basically it's not, mean, yes, if you're a tournament angler, it's going to benefit you, but the people that's going to benefit the people that it's going to reach the most and help the most.
is the everyday angler that wants to go out there and take their family and enjoy fishing that the kids catch some fish for once. And but there are sections in there with tournament mentality. Whether it's a team mentality with me and Nate or the NWT mentality, you know, like think it covers everything, not just forward facing sonar and.
extremely detailed. It's not screenshots of forward -facing sonar screens because to me, like in my seminars this last winter, I did a lot of seminars and I didn't use any auto visual aids at all because I didn't have the confidence in showing still shots of my screens because still shot of forward -facing sonar is not accurate. It's misleading.
because when you're looking at that screen, it's not a still shot, it's moving constantly. So yeah, exactly. So I was able to figure out how to get screen recordings. And so people know I'm not just like taking a camera and recording or a phone and recording my screen with a camera. I'm taking high definition recordings from within the unit so that whenever you're watching these,
Brian Bashore (32:19.114)
It's live. That's the whole point. It says live, right?
Tom (32:42.61)
clips and there's over 150 clips of information. Most of them are live scope recordings that are going to take up your whole phone screen or your whole computer screen or your home TV screen. screen on high definition of my screen recording and with instead of and a lot of the YouTube stuff you see the screen but that's
Brian Bashore (32:55.898)
yeah, we'll blow that stuff up, man. Make it big.
Tom (33:09.884)
there's just silence. You see the screen and maybe some text or caption explaining, but I decided, you know, I'm going to take it a step farther. It was quite a bit of work, but I inset myself into each one of these screens explaining what's happening in the screen as you're watching it. So it could be, you know, fishing walleyes and weeds or the, of the coolest stuff is in a lot of the areas we fish.
is showing people, okay, here's what a walleye looks like on Garmin LiveScope. Here's what a sucker looks like. And this is why. So then I can show people all the different species, which I've done in this, and show things that could really help make people more efficient on the water as far as, panning around. that's a drum. I'm not gonna cast it that. Or,
That walleye is only 10 inches long. I'm not casting. So I'm showing people how to decipher what they're looking at underwater, even though they've already seen it. They've seen it, but haven't realized it. And one of the most important things is, and I bet you think about this too. Like after a long winter, for example, the ice comes off the lakes and stuff. And we're like open water season. We get out there on the boat.
We're looking at our live scope and we kind of forget what, you know, what am I looking at again? What am I looking for again? Like what's a why? We have an idea obviously, but then we have to retrain our eyes. And this is like literally in the palm of people's hands where they can look at it anytime in the dead of winter. They can look at this on the water, open water.
Brian Bashore (34:40.686)
Yeah.
Tom (35:04.316)
footage to keep their minds and eyes refreshed so that when they do step foot in their boat in the spring, they're just ready to go. And I also teach on there how to do your own screen recordings because I think that's important because I'm going to challenge people to do their own screen recordings because if they go out there and they're not sure what they're looking at, they can take their screen recording on their phone, take it home, match it up with what I did and be like, that's what that fish is. Or you know what I mean? So.
There's a lot to this that the fishing industry hasn't seen. I'm excited about it because it's different. I'm nervous about it because it's new, but you know, it's something I think that is going to help hopefully propel the walleye industry and help every single manufacturer out there. My sponsors are not my sponsors. I believe that
The bass industry obviously is giant bass master is doing everything right. And a lot of that has to do because they're not hiding anything. They have bass master elite live. You can watch what these guys are using in the boat at the time. So there's no secrets. And I think in our industry, I haven't been in it that long, but what I've noticed is there's just a lot of secrets, a lot of misleading information, if you will. And
Brian Bashore (36:30.903)
Mm
Tom (36:30.928)
So it's not, it's telling these followers like the everyday anglers to go to the store and buy this when ex angler said to use it, but they really didn't use it in the tournament, for example. So they go spend the money on that, but they get discouraged because they're not catching fish on it and not being taught how to use it. So there, the industry isn't growing. And so if this can be a start to teaching people
Brian Bashore (36:52.266)
Yep.
Tom (36:59.878)
how to find fish. And I'm not talking just trophy fish, just walleyes in general. Going out, finding walleyes, or if your target species is bass, go catch bass. But how to use the electronics efficiently and responsibly and go have fun. And I think, you know, we could see the walleye industry probably will never catch bass, but I think it'll maybe actually start to grow for once. You know? And that's my...
goal and my challenge. I don't know why it became my goal and challenge, but I've always been like that in my life. If I start something, I'm just going to take it on. So this is my
Brian Bashore (37:37.524)
Nope. It's a, it's good. I'm the same way. And you're all in on it. you know, however it turns out, but I'm, pretty sure it's going to be successful. I'm pretty sure it's going to work. I'm pretty sure everybody here is already trying to figure out how to log on and subscribe. And how do I get to this? So how do, where do they find it at? And what's it, you know, what, what do we do? We download and we pay an annual subscription. What comes, what's the package?
Tom (37:48.167)
I appreciate it.
Tom (37:53.564)
Yes.
Tom (38:02.608)
Yep. So it's a web based. that's also, that's a different deal too. Right now you see a lot of YouTube stuff. You see some app based things, but really when it comes right down to it, the most efficient way and the most, the best way to learn something in a curriculum, it's it's web based. So it's going to be fishthu .com and it,
Tom (38:30.77)
So it's going to be accessible, obviously phone, computer, TV, if you have the capability, but fishthu .com. It's an annual subscription and the annual subscription price is just going to be $269 a year. I've, you know, went back and forth with, you know, getting some people's opinions on that and
A lot of people that I've showed some clips and stuff to, they're like, so you have 150 some of these showing this kind of stuff. And they're like, that's it. But I'm like, that's the thing. And for me, it's like, want to, again, I just kind of want to try to make a difference. want to, just think if all of us on the NWT, just for example, we're,
Brian Bashore (39:09.164)
It's a small price to pay. Trust me.
Tom (39:29.426)
kind of just on the same page competing like it was eight years ago, 10 years ago and how we could advance the technology. Even though people are crying about the technology now, there's always too much, is this and that the other, whatever. But it's not gonna change. That's never gonna stop. But again, we're in the walleye industry and if we can help boost that, it's good for all of us and why not?
Brian Bashore (39:34.444)
Yeah. Yep.
Tom (39:59.058)
be a part of it now and we can all benefit from learning and then in turn teaching. So that 269 a year is gonna give you access to the whole entire university for the first year, about the freshman year if you will. I don't know. It just came. Yeah. Yep. And.
Brian Bashore (40:18.454)
Rookie season, get the rookie season package. There you go.
Tom (40:23.878)
There's going to be a lot of very in -depth information and there's going to be some information that's so simple in there that I think a lot of people are going to be surprised. But it's a lot of in -depth stuff that I've been compiling in my head and digitally for almost four years. And I'm happy to share it. And when people say, are you nervous? People are now are going to catch up to you and you know, on the NWT and this and that. I'm like,
I'm fine with that. am 100 % fine with that because I want to compete extremely bad and I will find a way to stay on the top. so if people push me, I'm gonna push myself harder. So exactly, 100%.
Brian Bashore (41:09.11)
Yeah, Competition just makes you better.
And so some of us that we're on the handicap of it, basically Tom's lending us a little olive branch here to help get caught up so we can push him. So that's, that's fair. I appreciate that a lot, but you're right. Rising tide, you know, moves all ships, right? And you're on the cutting edge or on the front end of this thing. It's our job as fresh anglers, especially in the walleye world to grow the sport.
Tom (41:18.834)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (41:34.862)
I mean, we all come at it from all different directions and I'm just guilty as anybody of pushing things down and being negative about stuff, but what it's all said and done, it's no, it's, it's trying to get the word out and the message out to make things better. And, and this is obviously just one small facet of it really. And price wise is that's a, it's a small price to pay. it's very fair and that's great to be at that, to make it an affordable for, for the, you know, the guy, if you're going to invest three or $4 ,000 into the equipment, what's, know,
Tom (41:35.056)
Yep.
Tom (41:52.25)
There it is.
Tom (42:03.491)
True.
Brian Bashore (42:04.61)
Couple hundred dollars to learn how to use it. pretty pretty smart I mean I got plenty of guys and I think hyzer does a lot of on the water stuff with this Lorantz target And I've had them, you know as a guide and others where people dropped in my boat and I've ran them through to Hummingbirds and on their side image You know, and it's just kind of like a guide trip, but you can do it from the comfort of your own couch
Tom (42:24.306)
100 % and that's why we started kind of referring to it as a virtual guide boat because what I've learned by having my co anglers in the boat and family my brother this year I honestly I don't get a ton of time to fish outside of tournaments or and when I'm out there getting his content I'm out there a lot by myself but
It's not like, okay, I don't get up in the morning and say, I'm going to go get content of walleyes and weeds today. No, it might take me two weeks or more because you can't, I can't just go say, Hey, they're going to be walleye and weeds today. And I'm going to phone and to record them, you know what I mean? To record them and stay with them. Follow me on that crack and follow them through the weeds to show people.
Brian Bashore (43:05.547)
Right, they are, but I may have to the wrong lake or the wrong day at the wrong time or whatever.
Yeah.
Tom (43:19.504)
This is how a walleye goes through the weeds, how they traverse the weeds, why they're in here. So like it was a lot of time, but I learned so much and in turn give back. But the virtual guide boat thing makes sense because a lot of the people that I explain stuff to, buddies that are on the aim circuit, for example, who I just get on the phone and I say, here's what you're looking for. Here's what you do.
and they go do it without even being in my boat. So then I started learning like, you know what, I'm gonna challenge myself and some people to prove that what I can show them without being in the boat actually works. So this last week, I did a couple of days on Lake of the Woods and the challenge for the two groups of people I was with was to, okay, here's my screen.
Here's some recordings, jump in the boat. I'm gonna show you what things look like for about two or three hours. Now I just want you to go do it. And it showed me, it proved to me that I can teach this 100 % effectively, virtually. And it's almost like you're in there watching that screen because it's kind of cool.
Brian Bashore (44:38.606)
That's, it's so, it's funny. did that this week and I had kind of the same. So I had a two day guide trip, same group one day with one of my guides and they trolled all day. That was the bite. Well, they were university Nebraska basketball guys. So you can imagine how fun trolling for was for him all day long. And they caught some big fish and you know, it was different forms. were like, and their mom, it was two buddies and her mom came with them and bought this little before back to school thing sophomores.
Tom (44:53.86)
Okay.
Brian Bashore (45:07.15)
So I said, I'll take them the next day. And I'm like, all right, we can do this, do this. And then I mentioned LiveScope and the kid's eyes kind of lit up. I'm like, yeah, right on. I would love to go do that all day and not crawl. So I took him to his first spot, drove around and kind of, like, whatever. There's no, the fish beer, they're not here today. So we're to go over here and it's out of the wind. So that's a bonus. So we hit a rock pile. I'm up on it, driving around and finally I went, come up here and look and showed him. I didn't take 10, 15 minutes. The other kid was up there and I...
showed him how to run the foot pedal. Had the screen kind of dialed in with showing him what he's looking at. There was just a bunch of fish. was drum, white bass, perch, pike. There was just a fish everywhere. They could care less what they were catching. And then 30 minutes, I was sitting back with their mom just hanging out, talking, and the guys were driving the boat all around this section, chasing fish. you know, and, you know, once he finally just kind of held his jig and crawler in the water while he was driving him, boom, catches like a 30 inch pike. You know, I'm like, it's up. And he's like,
Tom (45:42.62)
Yeah.
Tom (45:51.442)
We are crossing it.
Tom (46:01.254)
Mm
Brian Bashore (46:02.54)
And then I catch one just throwing out the back. He's like, didn't he did it with that live scope even? I'm like, yeah, you're catching five to my one up there. So, you know, I'm just hanging out with your mom back here. And, these boys, then we moved to a different spot. I'm like, let's go get there. Catch some little perks. Like some bigger fish. Yeah. So went over and we're catching like three to five pound catfish, some big drum. I'm like, there's a ton of cat and said there's walleye in there. I said, but when there's that many, I'm like, those are mainly catfish and drum around a stump.
Tom (46:06.722)
Yeah.
Tom (46:11.92)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (46:29.006)
Well, they were good sized ones and they were been in those medium light. mean, the kids were having a ball and they were like, yeah, we'll keep some of these. I'm like, okay, now further out, if you make a cast and said, those are walleyes. I'm guessing I'm going to guess those are wise because they're by themselves and are away from this crowd. And I pitch out and I catch an 18 inch walleye. So the kids like, all right. So then I went back to out with their mom and they continued to fish and he didn't get any walleye, but they got a lot of drum, a lot of catfish and about till two o 'clock. And they're like, I'm like, troll bites going really good here. If you want to kick up some, you know, some walleye for the free. He's like, yeah, this is exhausting.
Tom (46:43.719)
Yeah.
Tom (46:48.05)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (46:57.89)
You know, let's take a break, but I just, mean, for the whole day, I pretty well sat in the back and they just showed them what it was, showed them kind of what they're looking at. Not near as good as you did by all means, but the bigger part was showing them the boat control. Take how to get on the foot pedal and how not, and how to just float and drift. And that's, that's a huge, huge part. And cause he was kind of gunning too fast. So I'm like, no, I just punch it and stop and just kind of coast. And then, you know, and then take your pan and then kind of get on it and then just.
Tom (46:58.103)
Yeah.
Tom (47:09.658)
Exactly.
Tom (47:21.126)
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Brian Bashore (47:26.2)
kind of do it in spurts a little bit with the Ultrex. I don't have the Kraken and we were, yeah, the weather was kind of, wasn't, it was fairly calm. So it was semi -easy, but I think it took him a couple hours and he realized that he's like, yeah, that's, that's a real big deal.
Tom (47:35.676)
Yeah.
Tom (47:40.998)
Yep. And bolt control is huge without bolt control. mean, it's hard to fully utilize port facing sonar. And then that's another part of the, one of the main topics of this is showing different variations of bolt control and how I tackle whether it's super, super windy, like we had to deal with. and I was able to get some really cool bird's eye footage of a really windy day and
Brian Bashore (48:00.76)
Yeah.
Tom (48:10.254)
actually from above and show how I'm maneuvering the boat. When I find a target, how I, what I do with the trolling motor, what I do with the boat, just to give people perspective. Cause there's questions I get every day and you know, and we talk about like people, people ask me all the time, which I'm still open to in the future. When I have time, people ask me if I want to, if I can do on the water training with them, they pay me whatever, but I just don't have the time. and
The thing is, when I tried to start thinking about this, it's like, if I take somebody out on the training on the water, there's nothing like hands -on, but at the same time, you're on the water with me maybe six hours, maybe eight hours a day. But what you saw, you better remember it because, but now what I'm doing with all this content, it's right there. You have it all the time.
Brian Bashore (49:02.69)
Yeah, that's it.
Tom (49:09.072)
You know what I mean? Like you have that content to look at all the time. And I think that's important as far as learning and retaining.
Brian Bashore (49:18.51)
Yeah, very, very true. And I can guarantee they're to be in their boat, busting out their cell phone going, what the heck was that again? And that's what it's designed for. It's perfect. So like you said, it's a virtual guided tour and a 270 bucks. We'll call it as a, it's a small price to pay for, like you said, four or five years of content and years of wisdom. I'm going to grant this thing has a technology, hasn't been around a long time, but it's not going in, you know, it's not going away anytime soon. And if you're going to invest all that money into these a hundred thousand dollar boats and
You know thousands of dollars electronics. What's another what's a tank of gas in your boat really right? You know to learn how to to maximize this stuff. So I mean that's that's the sort of we live in folks but Awesome super looking forward to this. This is awesome stuff top. This is breaking edge people We're gonna put the links below fish th you calm sign in to Tom win University or fish Tom win calm and just
Tom (49:51.228)
Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (50:13.912)
Take that smasher class on forward facing sewing art. it's not just, you could use this for the hummingbirds or rances and the garments, really a lot of it.
Tom (50:21.102)
yeah, yep. Cause I'm not using, you know, this first year I decided to, you know, do this on my own, meaning no sponsorships behind it because I don't, you know, I've never been about that anyway. Like there's been people who commented, you know, not, not about the university, but just in general, when they asked me my opinions on certain baits or tackle, and there's people who say, you say that because it's on your boat or your Jersey.
You know, I'm in a unique position where like I used every single thing on my Jersey before these companies reach out to me because I was on the front edge of Ford FACES so when I was onto something. So I'm very fortunate that way where I've used the like Garmin, for example, I've used Garmin since I started LiveScope in 2019, but I haven't, I wasn't on Garmin's protein till this year.
So people don't realize that, I, you know, I had an opportunity with a different brand and back when I was still paying for all of my electronics, but I refused it because I was just, again, going back to confidence. I was confident in my garments and what they were providing me with what I could see. I, instead of taking that deal, I stayed paying for my garments for a few years. But that's the thing, I don't...
what people think just because I'm using Garmin, it can't be translated over to the Ransom Humminbird because now each brand has their strengths and weakness and, but I've been fortunate. I've been very, very fortunate to jump in boats, whether I'm on TV shows or whatever that have all of these electronics and in every one of these episodes and stuff, we're able to catch fish. Right? So,
I do go in in this too and explain to people the differences in these brands so that they can make their own decision. So if I'm able to show somebody, just for an example, if I'm able to show the ranch user, okay, here's how I dictate size, here's how I dictate species, maybe they have their way of doing it, but if not, hey, maybe they need to switch. Or you know what I mean? So.
Tom (52:44.93)
I'm not there to try to persuade anybody to go here, go there. As a professional tournament angler, I'm sponsored by Garmin. Right?
Brian Bashore (52:53.72)
Well, I'll do it for you, Tom. I've had the bird and I have a garment on my four facing tone are now for a reason. So I love my birds. have their place, but when it comes to this, I put a garment in there and it went, Whoa, this is a whole different world. No wonder these guys are cleaning house on it. And there's still a lot more to it, obviously, but, I've seen that the Lurances and good, and I think birds got a new one, you know, coming out here shortly. they're not going to argue with you. They're going to say, yeah, we got it. You know, we got to catch up, but.
Tom (53:06.182)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (53:21.806)
You know, everybody's got their own little thing, but when it comes to ice, I love my bird from ice fishing. You know, it does it excels straight, you know, straight down and not moving much. But as far as boat control and a lot of what your certain techniques, it probably, like I said, it doesn't matter. You can translate 80 % of this to to any brand, probably.
Tom (53:33.148)
Yeah.
Tom (53:43.046)
can and just just so people know like how in depth I get in this like you mentioned Humminbird and how it's good on ice right and when it's still and that's because with the the processing speed slower so when it's still it can process the targets coming in as they're coming in slowly when you're on open water the boats moving the trolling motor is moving the fish are moving the water everything's moving so Humminbird
They'll get there. There's no doubt in my mind, but they're utilizing the processing within their unit to look at their targets. Whereas Garmin and Laurents are using their external black boxes to do all the computing so that everything's more fast and and rapid. that's, you know, we get into that a little bit in the university just to kind of give people a explanation on
Brian Bashore (54:15.659)
yeah.
Tom (54:43.136)
these technologies and what they can expect, you know, when they go shopping for one or the other. So.
Brian Bashore (54:50.734)
And it's a due diligence world now because everybody's gonna do all the research they can Before they purchase because we can do that now We don't just go buy it like we did 15 years ago and go hope it works plug it in go and then get all pissed off because it doesn't work and they realize You don't have it hooked up right, know or whatever There's 20 phone calls back to the store next thing the guys gonna come out look at your boat and be like here plug that in You know, and it's crystal clear. So Once again awesome
Tom (54:57.254)
Yep.
Tom (55:13.357)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (55:18.43)
Awesome stuff. had something to say I think I can't remember what the heck it was now, but Who knows you keep blowing my mind with this stuff. So I just I can't wait for it, you know To dive in and watch this stuff. you're right. That's the best way to learn especially in today's world is you know, the youth the video right and tutorial and you overlay and your commentary with it is huge and it hasn't really been done and we need all the advantages and
Tom (55:26.193)
I'm
Brian Bashore (55:45.23)
progress to move things forward in the walleye world as we can. Cause we're leaps and bounds behind bass. we'll never probably be there because it's where it's we're a smaller market, but we're still a big market. I think when it comes to tackle walleye guys have a hell of a more gear in their boat, except you maybe than most of these bass guys. So, I mean, we might we're, you know, with trollade and crankbait junkies and I mean, all these other techniques, they still work. They still put fish in the boat. It's just, how do you want to fish?
Tom (56:01.042)
My art. Yep.
Brian Bashore (56:14.743)
You know, and if you're competing at a top level tournament circuit, you need, you better embrace it and figure it out. I mean, I've been saying it for a year and a half and I embrace it this year and had my worst year on tour and it, but it's not because of Brace and that is for several other factors. I would imagine, but it's. It's confidence in it and just straight up leaving the other stuff out of the boat, doing what just keeping your head down and getting more confident and just doing it time over time. And I've spent.
Tom (56:37.649)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (56:44.334)
hundreds if not thousands of hours this year with my face on that screen dialing in but there's still so much I'm like size I haven't got that figured out I put the I broke my screen I put the graphs on it you know so the grid someone's like okay well that's a four foot grid so that's got to be boy that's a two foot fish at least right 24 -incher of course cock we I'm like that's a big fish and every time I said that it was a 40 plus inch northern but I was right it was a big fish yep like that's a big one pulled it up
Tom (56:54.619)
The grades, yep.
Brian Bashore (57:13.14)
smack yeah you know i'm like that's that's too big a fish no
Tom (57:16.85)
Yep. And on this too, I show you on there, like how to know it's north.
Brian Bashore (57:21.506)
Yeah, they, they stick out. show up real well, you know, when they turned this right. So anyway, that's we'll wrap this up folks. That is awesome. Tom. Like I said, I can't wait to dive into this thing. People go to fish thu .com. put the links below. You got questions. I'm sure once this all launches and you get in on it and start, start participating in your rookie season of, Tom Wynn University, he's probably, I'm sure you're going to continue to upload more stuff and new stuff and.
Tom (57:22.8)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (57:49.378)
And they can follow you along on Tom wind fishing, over on your Facebook and social media pages. you got some teasers out there now. it's just awesome. I'm awesome. I'm excited for you. Pump. is going to be huge. it's just, it's, it's gotta be huge. As one guy says, it'll be the biggest, the greatest thing ever. Right. It's gotta be huge. I'm telling you, this has gotta be huge. So maybe you should release it like November 7th, whatever election day is. Cause this got to be huge.
Tom (58:08.41)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (58:19.182)
So this thing is, it's gotta be huge. So I, I'm pumped. can't wait to, to donate some money to you and outside of a tournament and, and get a little educated myself on this. And I'm going to tell the world about it as well and share it so we can help grow the sport and get more guys and gals and kids and youth on the water. I believe angling numbers went up four or 5 million this year. So that's good, but that's a trend that needs to continue to go up. And the women have grown up, gone up a lot. think, Hispanics have gone up.
Tom (58:19.334)
What?
Tom (58:32.645)
Absolutely.
Brian Bashore (58:49.112)
A lot of the minority groups have raised quite a bit this year. lot of that's due to ASA's work. I can't even remember some of them right now, but there's just a lot of great organizations doing good stuff to get them out. But this is a huge step in the walleye world. So absolutely awesome. I think that's it. You got to leave anything with the listeners. You kind of, dropped a lot. You dropped a lot of falad and nuggets. think that that's right. We're going to leave a little bit to be, you know,
Tom (59:11.662)
I so, just... there's a lot of stuff.
Brian Bashore (59:19.128)
You got to subscribe to get more. So there's a, there's a lot more and head over to fishthu .com and get all the inside scoop from Tom. And trust me, I think you're going to be happy with, with the, with the product. So, all right, Tom, thanks for joining us and sharing this. We're stoked. Can't wait. And all you listeners, thanks for tuning in, head over and subscribe to Tom's masterclass. I'm forward facing sonar and stay safe and we'll see you on the water.