Breaking Free: The Moment You Outgrow Your Old Self

Get ready to shatter your limitations as JClay and Troy Washington are joined by the remarkable Betty Guadagno in our upcoming episode of 'Perfect Mode'. In "Breaking Free", we delve into the depths of overcoming adversity and embracing transformation. Don't miss this powerful discussion - your next breakthrough awaits.

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Creators & Guests

Host

JClay

JClay's music ignites a transformative experience, fostering spiritual growth, mindfulness, and a positive mindset through powerful and uplifting rap.

Host

Troy Washington

Real Estate Broker

Guest

Betty Guadagno

Betty Guadagno's journey began in darkness, navigating through drug addiction, sex work, and the tragedy of losing her parents to suicide. Following a near-death-like experience from a drug overdose in March 2019, she emerged with a newfound perspective, embarking on a transformative path of recovery, growth, and empowerment.

What is Perfect Mode?

"Perfect Mode" invites you on a transformative odyssey to discover the extraordinary within the ordinary. Hosted by the dynamic duo of JClay, a rapper with a spiritual twist, and Troy Washington, a realtor with a mindset of abundance, this podcast is a sanctuary for those seeking to elevate their existence. Together, they explore the realms of personal growth, mental clarity, and spiritual enlightenment, offering unfiltered insights into living a life unchained by societal expectations. Tune in for your weekly dose of inspiration and embark on a journey to align with your highest self.

JClay: 00:02

If I reminded you that you are perfect, would you argue me down or step into your perfection? Welcome to perfect. Welcome to perfect. Welcome to perfect. Where there are no excuses, no with my cohost, Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor.

JClay: 00:26

Let's be real. So let's be perfect.

Troy Washington: 01:11

What up? Welcome to perfect mode. Welcome to perfect mode. And first off, let me start by telling y'all that we love y'all. We're grateful for the opportunity to be anywhere sharing our thoughts, hopefully, in helping you realize that you are perfect.

Troy Washington: 01:25

And the reason why I can say that unapologetically is because I know that you are one of 1, numero uno. You cannot be replicated, duplicated. And the only reason, the only reason you would think that you're not perfect is if you're looking at this person next to you and saying, I'm not them. But guess what? You are you, and that's all you need.

Troy Washington: 01:43

And, of course, it's yours truly, Troy Washington, friendly neighborhood realtor. I have my boy, J Clay, spiritual rapper and, what, teacher. And then we got a special guest today, and I think that I'm gonna get it right. We got my girl, Betty Watanio, in the building. What up, Betty?

Betty Guadagno: 02:00

Thankful to be here. You nailed the name. Thank you.

Troy Washington: 02:03

Hey, you know, I try to do what I can do when I can do it. What up, Jay?

JClay: 02:07

What up? What up? Happy Sunday to all my perfect people in perfect land. Feeling good because we got a good friend on today, Betty. We've known each other for a while.

JClay: 02:16

We've done podcasts together, everything. I've been on her show and just we've done stuff together on other stuff as well. And and this has been a long time coming because we've been doing perfect mobile for years and she should have been been on but I'm happy that you are finally here to speak about today's subject.

Troy Washington: 02:32

And and side note, even though I haven't met Betty before, I've been knowing Betty for a long time too. So, you know, this is a long time coming. We happy you here. And, you know, just to touch on that topic before J Clay do his announcements, breaking free the moment you outgrow your old self. Breaking free.

Troy Washington: 02:49

We all do this at some point, but, man, I can't wait to talk about it. So, Jay, you can go ahead and get us started because I know we gotta kick a shout out, baby.

JClay: 02:55

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We gotta kick a

Troy Washington: 02:58

shout out to Jeff, man. Our our Patreon.

JClay: 02:59

And if anybody else wants to join our Patreon and support, keep perfect mode moving, click the link in the bio. Appreciate you, Jeff, as always. And yeah, man. Let's let's get into it because breaking free, we all have things we wanna accomplish. We all want to to, in a sense, be out with the old and jump into the into the new spirit of things.

JClay: 03:19

And let's talk about how to do that.

Troy Washington: 03:21

Yep. Yep. So, well, shout out to ordinary people, unheard voices. We appreciate you joining us today. So I I guess I know why we're here and, the purpose of the conversations, but I wanna know what your thinking was when you actually chose it, Jay.

JClay: 03:39

Yeah. So, a couple of things because I'm I'm always trying to, in a sense, manifest new realities, trying to to fine tune myself and and be more than what I am and experience more, change my vibration, all of this. And I know too that Betty has had a a very what's the word? Like, one of the biggest changes ever. And I and I know it would be a perfect topic for her to speak on as as well.

JClay: 04:05

And just just share things. And and starting with you, Betty, would you wanna share some of your story?

Betty Guadagno: 04:11

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for this space. I love this topic, and I did have a really transformative experience in my life.

Betty Guadagno: 04:19

But even after that, I've gone through layers of breaking free of old patterns, behaviors, thoughts, all of this stuff even after my huge catalyst experience. So I'll just give you the little cliff notes version. But, my origin story is that I grew up in an impoverished, addicted, traumatizing kind of environment. My childhood was wrecked in all different kinds of trauma, and so I grew up and perpetuated those cycles. And at some point in my life, I stopped being a victim and I started being a perpetrator because I didn't realize that there was any other roles to play.

Betty Guadagno: 04:59

I thought that it was abuser and abusee, and that's it. And so I abused drugs, and my life got super chaotic. My parents both died from their addiction when I was very young. And, and, yeah, my addiction kinda became my parent. It became my whole identity.

Betty Guadagno: 05:20

I'm even covered in tattoos of liquor bottles and packs of cigarettes. My addiction branded me. You know, it was my whole personality. And in 2019, I experienced an overdose, and I had a near death like experience. I had a white light moment.

Betty Guadagno: 05:38

I got so high that I met God. I don't recommend doing that, by the way. That's what it felt like anyway, and god had a couple messages for me. One of them was, girl, you gotta stop using drugs, and the other was, you gotta go back to Earth. And there's a lot more that goes into that spiritual experience.

Betty Guadagno: 05:55

But after that, my life became very unmanageable. Number 1, I didn't know that I had a spiritual experience because I was a militant atheist before entering this experience. And so I just wrote it off as drug induced psychosis. I thought, okay. I took too much, and I broke my brain.

Betty Guadagno: 06:13

And now what do I do with my life? And upon returning to Earth and coming into spiritual awareness, I realized that it was a real experience, and I did actually need to change my life. And so the universe made it possible for me to do that. Like, all of these divine synchronicities kept happening. Like, for instance, all of my drug dealers decided on the exact same day to stop selling drugs.

Betty Guadagno: 06:39

People that did not know each other. I called up almost 10 different men, and I'd be like,

JClay: 06:44

hey, man. Baby.

Betty Guadagno: 06:45

It was it was crazy. And, so, you know, that was a big huge catalyst for me. And then I found myself in a long term treatment facility after some more beautiful divine signs and synchronicities, and that's where I changed my life, and it really felt like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. And the thing was is that I actually had to grieve that life of being the caterpillar, that life of being a drug addict. It was really challenging for me to let go of that concept because it was the only concept of myself that I had ever had.

Betty Guadagno: 07:20

And so one day, I decided to change the thought. At first, it felt very daunting. It was like, oh my god. I don't know who I am. This is crazy.

Betty Guadagno: 07:28

And then one day I decided, oh, wow. I don't know who I am. That's amazing. That means that I get to design her. And so I started to pick out all of these spiritual virtues that I wanted to fill myself with.

Betty Guadagno: 07:40

And, you know, I tried on all these different hobbies and all these different things, and and I got to design the most authentic version of myself. And I'm still a work in progress. I'm discovering new things about myself all the time. But, yeah, that's my catalyst, experience into transformation.

Troy Washington: 07:59

So, you know, I know this is gonna be kinda be a off the topic, but I have to say it because you're now my Disney friend as well. And, the first thing that came to my mind when you were talking about the caterpillars or the butterfly was the, 2 from, Encanto, if you ever listened to that. So you ever watched that, so go ahead and check that out. But I I I love everything that you said, and I I guess I wanna go back to the beginning. And I I think the thing that stood out to me, most importantly, was I didn't know that I was having a spiritual experience.

Troy Washington: 08:32

But then after I had it, then there were other layers that had to be peeled off or changed later. And I the reason why I point that out is because the one thing that I don't think that we realize as people is that once we actually do go through a change, we sometimes think that's it. We don't realize that the growth is continuous, and there's something that's gonna continue to happen over time until, number 1, the beautiful part is you said I can I can create this to be whatever I want it to be? And if you're knowing that you can change your path to whatever you want it to be going forward, you know that there's going to be consistent change forever. And I just love the fact that you pointed that out, but, specifically, the fact that there's layers to it.

Troy Washington: 09:17

And sometimes a layer of it, you cannot even see or, you know, understand until you uncover one other. So, I think that's really dope, and I think that's something that we all go through in life, whether it be, through drug abuse or, you know, spouse abuse or just self abuse. You know what I mean? So it's just a lot of things today, but go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 09:37

So quick question, Betty. So how did you know that you could change into who you want to? Like, what was it a product of the spiritual experience or did things happen or did realizations happen in your mind that that that led you to even believe that you can change? Because I know sometimes people just feel that they're just stuck in whatever hand they're dealt. That's it.

Betty Guadagno: 09:58

Yeah. Well, I definitely did feel that way for most of my human experience. So I had the gift of desperation, which is the acronym for God, right? G o d, gift of desperation. I I was completely empty.

Betty Guadagno: 10:13

And so I had this opportunity to be filled up with spirit, because I was completely void of anything. I was spiritually dead, completely bankrupt. So I think that that was a huge part of it. And the thing is, is that you don't have to wait until you hit rock bottom for a catalyst to occur. You can actually make the conscious decision.

Betty Guadagno: 10:34

And how I know that is because even though it took me hitting rock bottom to come into spiritual awareness surrounding my drug addiction, I've also dealt with probably about 5 or 6 other layers of addiction and thought patterns and processes in my own life that I've had to release now being in awareness. And I've made the conscious decisions to do that. I didn't wait until I hit bottom to start, transmuting the other areas of my life.

JClay: 11:03

Gotcha. And and so what what about you? Like oh. I'm not gonna say similar question to you, Troy, about just changing who you are. Sorry.

Troy Washington: 11:12

And and what I was gonna say, and I'm I'm gonna answer you, Jay. I just want to make sure, shout out to our girl Loretta Sharon Group, you know, appreciate you joining us today, but look, bro, I think I've told you this story before. I still remember just being in the restroom one day, just just being in the restroom, looking in the mirror, and just looking at myself and just realizing, like, bro, you're in control. Like, what you what are you do like, what are you really doing, and what is going to be your excuse for today? But just realizing that I was I was really in control, that everything that I had done was a product of, you know everything I had was a product of what I had done.

Troy Washington: 11:55

Like, really just looking at it and feeling it. I think that's what it was for me, man. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 12:01

Yeah. I I love that. Because people have told me before, like, who people haven't seen in many years they might say like man you change you you you're different. And to me I accept it but at the same time it's hard to tell because I'm not tied to any identity anymore. It's like I it's it's it's almost hard to see who I am, if that makes sense.

JClay: 12:25

Like it's hard to see yourself to even know who you are to even know that you can't change. And and I and I want to kind of tap into that but I don't really know how that goes, like I don't know if I was born with that, if I was taught something that clicked or or what? Go ahead.

Troy Washington: 12:41

I wanna I'm I'm gonna paint a picture for you real quick. Right? Something that I used to mess with my wife about all the time was being in the mirror, putting on makeup, and, you know, doing all of this stuff. Right? And so in my mind, I would always say, you don't need makeup.

Troy Washington: 13:00

You don't need this. You know, I'm I'm trying to coach her on who I think who she should be, you know, whatever whatever my thought process was on it. Right? And in those moments, I never realized that she was she had she was making a choice to be whoever or whatever it was she wanted to be. Now the reason why I could not grasp the concept is because and I say this not to be disrespectful to anybody in any means necessary, but I I would this is the way that I was built up.

Troy Washington: 13:29

I'll say it like that. In my mind, if you were in the mirror, you were vain. Right? You were always looking at yourself. You were so into yourself.

Troy Washington: 13:37

You were you you were not real in a sense. Right? So you were creating something that was not real because you and and and, again, it never clicked to me until the day when I looked in the mirror myself. Like, oh, this is that guy. And so now in my house, I have a big, full size mirror now.

Troy Washington: 13:55

Again, I'm still not a person that likes to look in the mirror. I don't really care. I'm not really into, you know, all of that stuff. Right? But I never looked at myself.

Troy Washington: 14:03

So now this big mirror that's in my living room, every single time I walk by it, there used to be a stranger that used to be in that mirror. Right? And so what happens is every single time I walk by, I look at him, and I literally would question this guy, like, hey, man. Who who are you? What what you got going on?

Troy Washington: 14:19

Right? And so the more I looked in it, the more and more I found myself. And the and the reason why I point that out is because I don't know what you did, but I do know that I was a foreigner in my own body for a long time. And the reason why is because I never even wanted to see who he was for whatever reason. It was I I could come up with I was I was not vain, which, again, I was still thinking about myself as much as anybody else was really at the end of the day, but I was afraid to and, again, this is this is my subconscious, my but my in the front, I was afraid to look at myself, ma'am.

Troy Washington: 14:53

I I won't what it what who is going to be looking back? Go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 14:58

Yeah. Well, I I I asked Betty then, Can you can you relate to what Troy is saying at all? Okay.

Betty Guadagno: 15:06

Well, yeah, I think so. I think that it can be really painful to look upon somebody that maybe you don't know that well, you know, because I think for me, I'm constantly in a process of discovering myself. And so there's been lots of parts in my journey where I don't want to celebrate the person in the mirror or like how Jay was saying, I don't recognize my own transformation. Now, obviously, we have we have, like, tangible evidence of our transformation. Right?

Betty Guadagno: 15:35

Like, Jay used to be one kind of rapper, and now he's another kind of rapper. Like, I used to be on drugs, and today, I'm not. And so those are tangible evidence of transformation. But when you see when you're with yourself every day, it's like, nah. I'm just I'm just going through the motions.

Betty Guadagno: 15:49

Right? And we don't really know when that transformation actually tangibly took place because it's been this slow and steady journey for us. But I think that, you know, I I'm I'm doing a book right now with a client, and it's called Mirror Work by Louise Hay, and it's a wonderful book. At first, it was very uncomfortable for me. You basically look in the mirror, and the first lesson is you say an affirmation.

Betty Guadagno: 16:13

And the affirmation is, I want to learn to like you. And to me, that was so transformative, and I was like, wow. It's not even telling me that I should automatically love myself. It's just saying, like, hey. Let me get to know you by looking at you.

Betty Guadagno: 16:28

And, also, I believe that our souls pick our bodies. So I think it's nice to celebrate the vessel that we've chosen to be born into and experience life through. And so, you know, why not look in the mirror and honor yourself?

Troy Washington: 16:42

So so to your point in yeah. So to that point, fast forward from the beginning to now. Now, I walk past the mirror, and whether I'm where I want to be or not, I'm happy about the progress, or I'm, I will say that I'm happy about knowing the actual placement where I feel like I am versus walking by and never knowing. And that's the key here. So I I I love that plan, but go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 17:13

So okay. So so check this out. I'm I'm supposed to be doing, a a conference later and we we got to talking about, like, AI and how, you know, in the future people might have AI clones. And I don't want to get on that, but what that made me think about was mirror images, right? We look in the mirror and then we try to style the person we see.

JClay: 17:35

We try to fix the person we see but that reflection is not us. It's just a reflection of us. But we treat it as such in the same way that if we do have a r clones, we might wanna get all these accessories for our a r a I clone, but we neglect us. And so they they got me thinking like, like, you know, looking in the mirror and seeing our reflection. Could that in the could that be a hindrance or is it is it equally good?

JClay: 18:02

Does it just depend on what you make from it if I'm making sense?

Troy Washington: 18:06

No. No. I I think you're making complete sense, and I I would say it depends on where a person is mentally first and spiritually, but the the the the key to that is, bro, like, at least from from my standpoint, right, I was seeing somebody, It just wasn't the person in the mirror. And so I was, in my own mind, creating who I thought I was. And so what happened was whenever I would walk across the mirror and I would see that person, it wasn't the same person that I saw in my mind.

Troy Washington: 18:37

And it's it was nothing wrong with me, being the person in my mind, I guess, in a in a sense. As long as I feel like at some point, everything that was in my mind lined up with the actions that I was taking, I guess, in a sense. Right? Like, if there had to be some type of harmony in what I was thinking based off, I mean, what I was thinking and where I was. But what happened was what I was thinking was not where I was when I looked in the mirror, and that's where the catch was.

Troy Washington: 19:08

And so me looking in the mirror, it's it's kinda like a show where we had, you know, maybe last year sometime. Speak about where you truly are so that way if you, if once you realize it, if you don't like it, you can change it. And so literally seeing myself and saying, okay. The image that I have, I can make them line up, but these are the things that I need to do in order to make that happen helped me.

Betty Guadagno: 19:32

So can I I I wanna add something to this? I'm reading a book right now about the law of attraction, which I definitely use in my day to day life. I've been able to manifest a beautiful experience for myself. And in this book that I'm reading, it's saying about, using affirmation in your current situation. So instead of affirming your future self because you might create a negative vibration with that.

Betty Guadagno: 19:57

So if I say I'm in a thin, slender body, and I look in the mirror and I say this affirmation, and I'm looking at myself and I'm like, girl, no, you're not. You know what? That is not what's happening right now. And so I create a negative vibration out into the universe attached to that affirmation, which then blocks that reality from coming in. So instead, this book was saying to do things like, I love the feeling of knowing that by exercising my body, my thin slender form is on its way.

Betty Guadagno: 20:29

And just to keep it current. So, yeah, that's something that kind of, came up for me while you guys were talking.

Troy Washington: 20:36

And and I'll tell you this too, Jay. This is something that happened again, this is before I before I changed, but something that happened to me, I wanna say, probably about 10 years ago. When I would pray at nighttime, the last thing that I would pray about because I would never ask for things. Right? But the last thing that I literally would pray about or say in my prayer was, thank you for my story.

Troy Washington: 20:57

And the reason why I would say thank you for my story is because I wanted to be happy with no matter the way the story came. And so that was something that was a shift for me to be able to be okay. Like, you know, what Betty was just saying when creating, when you when you create something that's not real and you create the negative, thought process that's tied to it. But me thanking for my story, I was saying I'm grateful for everything that came whether it was me describing it as bad or good.

JClay: 21:28

Yeah. Shout out to Robert Clay, my dad. He said the true nature of my being is revealed to me as I let go and let God reveal himself to me as to what I really am. My life is God's life in me. I love that.

JClay: 21:43

And that's what I was gonna say, to what you just said Troy about bringing up, like your story. Because that's one of the things I found that I was so tied to my story that it, as Betty pointed out, like it blocked me from from moving on and you can tell a new story but then what happens when you get caught up in that story too and it repeats. And and and Betty, you you spoke briefly about, how when you transformed, you had different cycles of that. Can you can you speak to that at all?

Betty Guadagno: 22:15

Yeah. And I would love to also share a tangible tool that other people can use as far as transformation goes. Right now, we're, like, a little attached talking about the body or the form, but this is also about spiritual transformation like your dad just shared. You know? If God is revealing to me what I really am, then I'm going to see that I'm nothing but spirit.

Betty Guadagno: 22:37

And so for me, releasing the layers of my we'll call it, like, ego, but for me, you know, like, I title it addiction. That's the things that I have to let go of in this life so that I can get to my truest form. My truest form already exists, but I have put up these perceived blocks to that awareness. So one of the things that I did to start to let go of manifestations of addiction or separation from my source was that I started to design the different aspects of myself. So my addiction my addiction, I gave him a name.

Betty Guadagno: 23:14

He's a man. He's a gay man. His name is Richard. He wears a white linen suit, and he lives in a glass house inside my mind. And there's these seams in the glass structure.

Betty Guadagno: 23:24

And so every once in a while, he'll put his mouth up to the seam of the house, and he'll say, let's have a drink. Everyone's having so much fun. Go into that bar. And I'm like, no, Richard. We don't drink anymore.

Betty Guadagno: 23:35

I can't do that. So that for me, I have to keep him kind of arrested. Right? He lives inside of a house inside my mind, but he's still a part of me. So I'm in communication with him.

Betty Guadagno: 23:46

The reason why I designed him was because I had to see what thoughts were coming from my higher self, my actual self, and what thoughts were coming from this other version of me. And so for me, it helped me to give it a personality. I also dealt with a lot of of eating disorders when I let go of drugs because it was really about I just didn't wanna feel my feelings because they felt too big for me. And so I started to cope with food and different kinds of behaviors, and so I gave all those aspects of myself names and faces and personalities as well. And one of the other ones that really comes up for me is this self sabotaging version of myself.

Betty Guadagno: 24:26

She looks like the chick from The Ring. She's, like, super skinny and gray. She's probably black greasy hair over her face, like crazy long fingernails. And, you know, she looks terrifying, terrifying. And so I had to humanize that version of myself because I saw her as this big scary monster.

Betty Guadagno: 24:46

And so I would run from her, but in reality, I have to accept all the different pieces of myself. And so every morning I wake up and I cover that version of myself in this beautiful healing pink light. And I say, you know, like, we're gonna go on our journey together today. And so she becomes much softer and, you know, like, she doesn't look rigid at all. She's just, like, beautiful and kinda fuzzy and pink and glowing.

Betty Guadagno: 25:11

So those are some of the tangible tools that I use to incorporate transformation into my life. I can't reject any of the pieces of myself. I can't kill any piece of myself. I have to love and integrate and heal.

Troy Washington: 25:29

Yeah. You got yeah. Me too. Like oh, go ahead, Jay. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 25:34

Quick question to that real quick. Because you said like the the scary lady in your mind, she's kind of mellowing out. And as you said, you you accept that, you know, she's a part of you. Could that be an easier way for us to, in a sense, tweak ourselves? Like, so we're not tweaking ourselves as we are but we're tweaking the parts of us And we're just like, oh, I I can I can start with this segment and you need to do this or or something?

Betty Guadagno: 25:58

Right. Well, let me just be clear. She is not mellowing out. She is a beast that lives inside of me, but every morning I welcome God. I welcome spirit into this process of healing.

Betty Guadagno: 26:09

And so she becomes a more a more mellow version of herself. But I have I do this on a repetitious cycle. Like, I do this every day. Because for me, I feel like that's the best way to start the day is to center myself in spirit and to love all the aspects of myself. So there's that.

Betty Guadagno: 26:28

I just wanna wanted to make that part clear. But I do think that by, you know, talking to the different aspects of myself by welcoming welcoming them into my experience and knowing that they're all part of this human personality profile that spirit has assigned to me. I don't have to be scared of any aspect of myself, and I also don't have to let any aspect of myself rule the personality for the day. I can invite Spirit in to be my main personality profile for the day.

Troy Washington: 26:59

So so, miss Guadania, you don't have to say it one more time. Right? No.

Betty Guadagno: 27:03

You did it great.

Troy Washington: 27:05

You you already know what I'm thinking about while you're talking about this. Right? I mean, we literally started the show before we even came on. Like, this is literally where my head is, but I would tell you that I love it because, even though I've saw seen so just bring everybody in me and J. Clay and Betty.

Troy Washington: 27:23

We were talking about the movie In N Out before the show started. And if you haven't seen it no spoiler. Yeah. If you haven't seen it, make sure you go and see it, but that's the first thing that I it comes to my well, a million things came to my mind about myself. I've watched the movie.

Troy Washington: 27:41

I understand it, but never thought about piecing it together for myself the way that you did. And, so, while you were talking about it, I thought to myself, okay. There's a little guy that's in me that's always telling me, okay, Troy. It's time to work out. And then there's another guy that's there also saying, hey.

Troy Washington: 28:00

Well, tell him you're gonna do it in 15 minutes. Tell him you're gonna do it in 15 more minutes. Tell them you're gonna do it in 15 more minutes, and then the end of the night comes, and the guy that wants to work out was like, hey. Why you didn't work out? It's okay.

Troy Washington: 28:13

You can do it tomorrow. And, it just blows my mind that, again, I I love it that I could just have told him oh, put put the guy that's trying to tell me not to do what I really wanna do up in the glass house. I need to put him up there with the party in. I I just really thought that was really, really dope. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 28:33

Yeah. I I love that too, and I wanna read what, Loretta said. She said, we have to love all of us. We are the all of it just as source is. And and I love that.

JClay: 28:43

And and and just to clarify, Betty, too, because you said I love how you worded it. You want to know the difference between this other character in your mind and your higher self? So, like, do you have a vision of your higher self? Does it look like yourself? Does it look different?

JClay: 28:58

Does it have glowing light? Like, explain

Betty Guadagno: 29:01

that. Yeah. So well, the same way that I dissected the parts of my shadow, my saboteur, my critic, my controller, my addiction, I also use the same process to design my light. So I have a bunch of different spirit guides. I've got 12 of them.

Betty Guadagno: 29:17

They're my apostles. Hello, Jesus. And, and each of my spirit guides has a different spiritual virtue that they're really good at. So I can call on the different guides to help me with it. So, like, I have one guide that's really, in tune with the vibration of patients.

Betty Guadagno: 29:35

So I often have to call on that guide to come in and help me when I'm in a situation where I'm being impatient. So, you know, all and all of those aspects of my light and my shadow make up my higher self. And so I do have a name and a personality from my higher self as well. Her name is Ava. And, I I don't really see her in a form, but she definitely is kind of like this higher aspect of myself.

Betty Guadagno: 30:01

I'm also really into the simulation theory. So I believe that Ava is the character who's playing the video game, and I'm the avatar Betty in the video game of Sims Earth. So my higher self is just kind of, like, in this room being, like, her nihilistic teenage self or whatever is going on in that outer reality, ask her to help me guide my way through the game. And that's what following my intuition is. And all of these things are spiritual muscles.

Betty Guadagno: 30:33

Like, the same way that we're talking about working out our physical bodies. I have to work out my spiritual body. And so every day, I'm in a practice of practicing that muscle to make it stronger.

Troy Washington: 30:44

So one thing I'm a say first is you're dope. I like I said earlier that, I've been knowing you for a long time, even though I hadn't known you, but I'm glad that I've been knowing you for a long time because the essence of who you are is definitely a part of me. And, I I just think that you're real real real cool. I have a question for you though, and and I and and, again, this is just my observation of life. I think that we as people all know somewhere in us that we could always change whatever is in front of us.

Troy Washington: 31:18

We I think that we kinda just I don't know. Even before we started to become conscious thinkers about who we are, we still knew at a time, like, I can change this if I want to, but we just didn't have the the action to go along with the thought. Right? But I think that a part of that is there's a sentiment of starting over who you are, and it's a scary thing no matter what path you're taking. So you you know, it doesn't matter where you are.

Troy Washington: 31:43

You can become comfortable in that to the point where no matter if I live or die, it's better than changing. And so my question for you as well as Jay is how as a person do you overcome that fear? Because what's on the other side of that is who we are today, right, you know, is you know, what we've been able to accomplish and even more than we've been able to realize. But I think that a lot of times what I've witnessed is that people are more afraid to start over than it the change itself.

Betty Guadagno: 32:18

So for me, the, you know, the way to overcome fear is to practice the muscle of faith. So how do I do that? Well, for me, I have a faith statement. So I have one sentence that pulls me back into a vibration of faith despite whatever circumstance going is going on. And my faith statement is something like, source, I surrender my will to you.

Betty Guadagno: 32:37

Please lead me to the path for the highest good for all. And that sentence will recenter me into my foundation of faith. So let's say that you're somebody who doesn't have any kind of faith, right? Like you don't have any tangible evidence in your life that faith is real. I have a lot of really beautiful signs and synchronicity stories that I can always go back to and say, yeah.

Betty Guadagno: 33:01

God's got my back. The universe has got me. I don't have to worry. But let's say that you're somebody who doesn't have that. Well, you can pull on somebody else's experience.

Betty Guadagno: 33:10

You know, like, you could pull on my experience. I used to be a homeless drug addict prostitute who couldn't even string one sentence together. And today, I liken myself to some sort of spiritual teacher. And I have a home and a shower, and I have clothes and food, and I have community, and I have peace of mind. And that's all from experiencing these miracles in my life.

Betty Guadagno: 33:33

And because I came into the awareness that I'm deserving of miracles, miracles are my birthright. So if you're somebody who doesn't have any sort of foundation and faith, find an inspirational speaker, somebody that really speaks to your heart. I think one of the main, motivational speakers that really helped me get my foundation in faith was Steve Harvey. I loved listening to him. I loved doing the practices that he would talk about.

Betty Guadagno: 33:57

He he made a video about write down a list of 300 things that you want in your life. Just 3 I it was impossible. 300 things? That's so hard. I got to, like, 60, and I was like, I think I'm done.

Betty Guadagno: 34:11

But then I started to put virtues on the list. Right? Like, I want peace. I want joy. I want serenity.

Betty Guadagno: 34:16

I want a state of calm in my life. And I just kept going from there. And then some things on the list were, like, I want an orange tank top. I want a a new set of earrings.

Troy Washington: 34:24

You know?

JClay: 34:24

It was

Betty Guadagno: 34:24

just, like, totally trivial stuff. But I found this man who he's got an amazing story of transformation from living in his car to being this multimillionaire. You know, total transformation just by having faith in something bigger than himself. So I used his faith until I had my own tangible evidence of my own.

Troy Washington: 34:45

Jay, you wanna answer before I start doing before I start running my math?

JClay: 34:48

Yeah. So just real quick. Because I was thinking about things that I did want to change and what would stop me and it really was fear like but it was fear that I wouldn't enjoy my life anymore. If that's weird because I knew that I was going for these virtues and sometimes you have a preconceived notion of like peaceful life means you can't have fun or something. Or if you're some, some, some wise person you have to just sit in silence by yourself on a hill, like, all of these things.

JClay: 35:19

And it's like, man, I I want these, but I don't know if I wanna live that life. And and I love what Betty said like about you have to just have faith that it's going to be all right. So I kind of I kind of step stuck my toe in, like I was kind of there just adding more, but not not actively taking anything away. Because I because that was the thing, like, I didn't wanna lose what I had because because I thought it was worth not losing, but anything that's real, you can't lose anyway. So it it was just it was just a interesting thing about wanting to move forward, but not wanting to at the same time.

Troy Washington: 35:55

So I wanna throw one other scenario in there, and I'm a shout out to my boy, Bear. And the only reason I do that is because we actually we had a similar conversation recently, and one of the other fears is the people that you are currently associated with not transitioning with you, and that was another big reason for not wanting to move for change. So that's that's another thing. But one thing that I want to point out, from from Betty's story as well, and I think this is it's the same thing for all of us. We have to learn not to minimize our story, which is, again, one of the reasons why I pray thank you for my story, because I I I have to realize that everything that I've gone through has a value.

Troy Washington: 36:44

It's purposeful. And, you know, you know, even me here and Betty talk about it it was funny the way that you worded. You said I was a homeless, drugged out prostitute. Right? And now I liken myself.

Troy Washington: 37:00

This is the key part to me. You said I liken to myself to a spiritual teacher. And the beautiful part about it all is that you were, in my personal opinion, a spiritual teacher in the beginning. But you don't feel like your story or it didn't feel like not today. You didn't feel like your story could be a part of that overall thing.

Troy Washington: 37:25

It this can this spiritual teacher in that time cannot be a part of this homeless person. It's impossible. I never seen somebody that was spiritual that's homeless, and so I think that you come into yourself when you have the the true and proper respect and value for what you went through, because now you can teach us. Now you see the immense value of what you went through and what it provides to the world. And now when you when you when you, I guess, look at it that way, and that's for all of us, the stuff that we try to minimize, it it has immense value, and that's where we kinda lose ourselves when we cannot articulate that in the way that we're doing it today, but go ahead, Jay or Betty either way.

JClay: 38:09

Well question to both of y'all because I because I know Betty's, she feels similar because we've had this conversation about story. Like I'm kinda like forget the story, cares about the story. Let's just, we're here right now. Let's let's get into the meat of it or just like like what what's now? What's what's happening now?

JClay: 38:27

Because the story, we we did that already. And I and and to me, like, I feel like that could, in a sense, hinder us from moving forward because it was like, well, I wasn't raised like that. I wasn't brought up like that, like like things to the story. So so the question to to both of y'all is is in in what ways can the story still help you to progress to the next level that you wanna get to?

Troy Washington: 38:49

So, let me start real quick, Betty, and then I'm gonna let you go because I I gotta say it. So I think it's 2 different things, Jay. Right? So there's one thing where you're using your story as a crutch to validate who you are right now in a sympathetic manner. You know what I'm saying?

Troy Washington: 39:12

Now there's another piece to it saying this is I've I've become this, and I'm using this as a tool to uplift. So her using her history as a tool to uplift, it it's separate from her continuing to progress as a person. Like, they're 2 different things. And so now again, if she's if she's in my own mind, I I didn't say if she. I'm gonna say if I'm leaning on my history, and I'm living there, not necessarily using it as a tool for something specific, then I'm I'm with you 100%.

Troy Washington: 39:51

But I don't think me talking my story, it's it's not where I am. That's just a it it's just it's just a it's a product that I'm I'm packaging up to help someone else. But go ahead, Betty.

Betty Guadagno: 40:01

Okay. So well, couple of things I wanted to say. Number 1, I wanted to say about the idea of not moving forward. Like, for me myself, I was so comfortable in my discomfort that I didn't even realize that it was discomfort that I was in. I just thought that that's the way that life was.

Betty Guadagno: 40:20

I didn't have any awareness that life could be anything else. And so I think the fear of failure coupled with the fear of success is what keeps many people, myself included, from going on that journey of transformation and change. So as far as the story goes, yeah, Jay and I have had this conversation many, many times. So I and I understand what Troy is saying too. Because there's a difference between the victim mentality using the story to play a victim and to, you know, like, get things, manipulate situations, evoke sympathy, evoke what whatever kind of emotion you're trying to create.

Betty Guadagno: 40:59

And then there's the opposite of what that transformation is, which is overcoming. And I'll even say this, that I've encountered people who have heard my story and feel more victimized because, well, how come that can't happen to me? How come you got all of this grace and I'm sitting here still struggling and in a state of, you know, like, I mean, I've experienced that. So, you know, I think the power of testimony is however a person wants to take it. Right?

Betty Guadagno: 41:30

This is perception that we're talking about. Everybody's entitled to it. So I don't think that a story should hold you in bondage because that's what my story did for a really long time. I wore my cloak of victimization proudly. Like, oh, look at what a victim I am to my circumstance in my life.

Betty Guadagno: 41:47

Then one day I threw that cape off. I was able to, and it was weighted. And I love what Troy said before. I had this imagery come to my mind thinking that not and not even to tie it to purpose because purpose is not rigid. So let's say that you come into you come to Earth and you're, you know, like, you're meant to be a spiritual teacher, or we'll just use love as an example because I don't wanna bond anybody to one box of what they're supposed to do.

Betty Guadagno: 42:11

You come here. You're meant to be loved. And then all throughout your life, you have these dirty wet blankets covering up the aspect of love. And then at some point, it's so weighted that you either get crushed beneath it or you are so desperate that you start crawling out of the bottom of it, finding tools and other people, especially other people, community, connection that will help you start to take these weighted dirty blankets off of you. So, yeah, those are my thoughts.

Troy Washington: 42:42

Yep. And I wanna say something else too, to to the point of you telling your story and then someone's feeling victimized because I I know that to be true. But this is the the beauty of it all. Right? It's similar to you looking at Steve Harvey.

Troy Washington: 42:57

Right? Like, you you had a choice in that moment to say, well, I'm homeless. He was homeless. How did he get to become a billionaire or a millionaire? Right?

Troy Washington: 43:08

And and and you very well may have had that thought process at some point. Right? But the the depending on how close you are to a person, you telling your story or me telling my story to someone, they can feel victimized. But if they're close enough and they can they see me to con they see me to grow. They see me continue to overcome.

Troy Washington: 43:32

Like, you pointing out, the the alcoholic is still here. He's he's he's telling me he's telling me, Troy j Clay, let's go get a drink right now. Let's go. When this show is over, let's go. And the thing is to know that you're going through that, whether I feel victimized or not, there's still something that's a spark that could happen to me at some moment in time by me being a witness to you.

Troy Washington: 43:56

And that's where I think that the story could still have its strength because everybody doesn't get it all at the same time. You know, everybody is everybody's watching Steve. Whether you're you've been, homeless or not, everybody's watching Steve Harvey. I've watched those same Steve Harvey clips, but it never incited me to move the way that it decided you to move. And maybe one day, it's gonna click for me too, and it's no telling where my trajectory will be at that time.

Troy Washington: 44:22

But that history played its role as long as it's not stagnating Steve Harvey. Go ahead.

JClay: 44:30

Yeah. I I wanna read what Loretta said. She said, the story can demonstrate growth and it enables others to know that wherever they are, is not their permanent station in life. Yeah, I love that. So Yeah.

JClay: 44:44

If if we work because you know I like to have my my step by step so that anybody can apply any of this. So let's say you you are in your life right now and you have things, plural, that you wanna change, that you wanna outgrow or, that you're that you're even teetering the idea of of letting go. How do you start? Like what what's what's like, Betty, what would you say is your step 1? And I want you to answer as well, Troy.

Betty Guadagno: 45:10

Yeah. So well, I yeah. I definitely think that one thing at a time. A million baby steps equals a gigantic leap. Now, like, if you need your whole life to be redone, that yeah.

Betty Guadagno: 45:22

That's a huge undertaking and you'll get swept away. I mean, I'll talk about me. I got, you know, overwhelmed thinking I have to change my whole life. That's impossible. So I just started to change little things at a time one at a time.

Betty Guadagno: 45:35

So I think step 1 for me is developing spiritual fitness, whatever that looks like for you. So I'll just share what some of my spiritual fitness routine is because building those spiritual muscles is what has enabled growth for me. So I drink water, lots of it, almost a gallon a day. I might be overdoing it a little bit. I eat clean.

Betty Guadagno: 45:56

I'm a gluten free, sugar free, vegan. I know that's like kind of deep. You don't have to go that deep, but, you know, develop a set of beliefs. So for me, my belief system says that if I avoid So for me, my belief system says that if I avoid certain foods, I'll be able to vibrate higher and I'll feel better. But for some people, you know, they eat McDonald's every day, and they do just fine.

Betty Guadagno: 46:16

So another thing that I do is I pray and I meditate. I use the first 5 minutes of the day and the last 5 minutes of the day to set intention. I'm not, like, sitting on a pillow for 2 hours and sending out. I'm just using this as intentional time to let God know what it is that I desire in my life. And I also exercise my physical body because I believe that a body in motion can create spiritual waves, and, those are some of the things that I do.

Betty Guadagno: 46:44

Those are all real tangible things. You don't have to do them all at once. If you can't do 5 minutes in the morning and 5 minutes at night, do 30 seconds. Start small. Again, a million baby steps equals a gigantic leap.

JClay: 46:57

Love that.

Troy Washington: 47:00

So I cosigned everything that Betty said, and I will also come back and tell you, look. The the realest thing you can do is be real with yourself, like, that, like, to me, and I and I mean, you gotta be real with yourself. Like, you have to look at yourself. This is how I had to do it. Look at myself and say either yes or no.

Troy Washington: 47:23

Is that what it was that simple. And then once I decided either yes or no, that's when the small steps started for me, like, you know, one brick at a time. What what can I do? Look. When I just using running as the example.

Troy Washington: 47:37

I love the gummy bears. This is before me and you start running the 30 minutes back in the day, like, a year ago. Right? I love gummy bears, man. Eat a big bag of gummy bears and won't think twice about it.

Troy Washington: 47:49

And I said, okay. Cool. I really wanna work out. This is something that's a priority to me, and I love gummy bears, and I don't need it. So this is what I'm going to do.

Troy Washington: 47:57

I'm going to give myself 4 gummy bears a day after I run 1 mile. 4. That's nothing to me, but I literally put myself to the task to say, after you run a mile, I'll get so I would get up, and I would run my mile, and I would run to get my 4 gummy bears too. So it's just starting small and and just being honest with yourself. The reason why you're running is because of this.

Troy Washington: 48:20

Why am I doing even if you're smoking weed or you're drinking a lot, why am I drinking? What does this mean to me? How does it make me feel? Does it make me feel the way that I wanna feel? Okay.

Troy Washington: 48:29

It does. Why? How? You know, ask yourself the right questions and be real with yourself. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 48:35

Yeah. So I and thinking about your answer, like because I know that, like, there's some people who who, probably on the spot, but they like, there's some people who might drink or smoke and they don't think that it affects them in a negative way. Like, could those people be alright or if they I I guess when they when they self evaluate, if that comes up, then maybe it's something that they should look into. Like, I'm I'm not even sure how to ask the question that I'm asking.

Troy Washington: 49:02

I think I know what you're asking and I think it goes back to Betty's point to each his own life. Some people can eat McDonald's, and everything will be fine. So, when I say be real with yourself, if it is something that is not affecting you the way that you want it to affect you, don't do I mean, I ain't gonna say don't do it. Start to make the adjustment. So, I.

Troy Washington: 49:22

E. Smoking weed. Everybody knows that smoking weed, it slows you down. That's what I'm gonna say. It slows down everything.

Troy Washington: 49:31

If you know that you're a person that wants to go fast and do all these things, you have to ask yourself, is this what I want right now? It's not. Okay. Cool. Maybe I can't just stop today.

Troy Washington: 49:43

So maybe I might just do once today and then replace it with something that's fast that I'm looking for, and start to balance that out over time. But, cold turkey, you know, it's it's tough for anybody, but I just think identifying what makes sense to you is very important and being honest because you can look at yourself and be, like, yeah. You know what? I can still go work out and run and smoke weed, but do you know that you're not doing it, fam? You you know you're not doing it, so you gotta find out what works for you.

JClay: 50:17

You better I

Betty Guadagno: 50:18

yeah. I think that, so it's challenging to figure out if substances are a problem for you if you're in it. Because, you know, like we just shared, change is uncomfortable, but it is the only constant. So if you feel like there's things that you wanna achieve in your life and you're not achieving them, just try taking something out of your regular routine and see if it makes your life any more enjoyable. I think that for me, I try to do things based around is this aligned with spiritual virtues.

Betty Guadagno: 50:52

And I'm not perfect. I'm not saying I mean, even though this is called perfect mode and yes, I am perfect.

JClay: 50:57

Perfect, girl.

Betty Guadagno: 50:58

I I occasionally in my earth experience, I do things that maybe are not aligned with perfection. And I just have to ask myself, is this aligned with spiritual principles? So spiritual principles are acceptance, tolerance, patience, unconditional love. By me drinking a bunch of alcohol, I might feel happy in the moment, but I'm borrowing tomorrow's happiness because the next day, I'm gonna feel like total garbage. Right?

Betty Guadagno: 51:24

Because we know that's what happens when you drink. So I have to decide if that's worth it. Do I wanna borrow tomorrow's happiness, or can maybe can I find a way to just be happy in today that doesn't involve me doing something that might it's a different frequency when you invite some anything in your life? Food has frequency. Music has frequency.

Betty Guadagno: 51:44

Water has frequency. Coffee has frequency. Everything has a different frequency to it. So I decide what frequency I wanna allow into my vessel because this is the vessel that takes me through my spiritual journey.

Troy Washington: 51:57

Let let me say this real quick, Jay, and I wanna say this about drinking. And I'm going to say that I don't drink, and you know that, Jay, but I'm going to say that I drink too. And the reason why I'm saying that is because for a, a big part of our life, bro, we would go and well, first of all, we didn't drink at first anyway. That's number 1. And then all of a sudden, we started drinking, and we did it for fun.

Troy Washington: 52:19

We we were literally just me and you, I think, we we were just having fun. We were just young. Let's have fun. Right? But for a long time, when we we would go places, not with you, but just me and other people, I would never drink or I if I drunk, it's because everybody's like, go ahead and have a drink.

Troy Washington: 52:34

Go ahead and have a drink. Then one day, I just put my foot down, and I just said, I'm not drinking anymore. The reason why I'm not drinking anymore because I literally just don't like how liquor tastes. I just don't like how it tastes. And so I started to recall all the times that I drunk liquor, and I realized then that I didn't like how it taste tasted.

Troy Washington: 52:54

Right? And so when I when I think about it like that, I dropped for years knowing that I did not like how it tasted, knowing, like, when I started to look back at it, I knew the first time I didn't like how it tasted. I knew the second time I didn't like how it tasted, but you know what? YOLO. Let's just keep it going.

Troy Washington: 53:18

And I had to tell myself, well, you don't like mayonnaise. Will you put that on your sandwich? No. You're not. You're not gonna do it.

Troy Washington: 53:26

And so at that point, I I I changed, and I said, you know what? Because I know the truth now, it doesn't matter what anybody says around me. I'm not drinking. And it caused some issues with people around me because they're like, bro, we know you drink no. I don't even like liquor, man.

Troy Washington: 53:39

I don't like how it tastes. And that's kind of the the honesty that I had to have with myself in order to change. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay: 53:48

Yeah. What was what's funny about that is, of course I can relate. Like, we we drunk just because we were like in Cancun and it was all inclusive and let's let's just do it. And we had so much fun and they're like it it was a tendency to think, oh, we had this much fun drinking. Maybe the alcohol is the fun.

JClay: 54:07

Maybe that's the fun. But then like you said, you go with other people, it's not fun. This is nasty. What am I doing this for? And it it wasn't that at all.

JClay: 54:15

It was just the fact that we came together to relax and have fun and party. Like and and I think that's part of it with with everything. Like, look into your life and say, is does this add that or am I giving that a false value? Or, you know, like like, what what's the core of this that I like that I wanna add to my life? And do I need this substance or this person or this thing or this situation, to to make it something that is not.

JClay: 54:41

So be honest. And and it sounds like too, by either making that first step, that first choice, it'll have so many effects, so many ripple effects that all you really need is step 1 to break free and you can just rinse and repeat later on once you get back to that that state of that balance point.

Troy Washington: 54:59

So so I would challenge people because I I'm I'm big on how you start your day. I would challenge everybody to, when you wake up in the morning, say, how do I feel today? And if you don't feel good, be honest. Because now, there's a question that happens. What could I do now to make me feel the way that I want to feel?

Troy Washington: 55:22

And then maybe tomorrow, when you wake up or before you go to sleep, you can make a small adjustment to start to build on to something. But you have to be willing to be 100 percent honest with yourself, and that takes practice too because we practice lying to ourselves all the time. Yeah.

Betty Guadagno: 55:41

This this has another spiritual muscle, the spiritual muscle of honesty, and I belong to a 12 step fellowship to help me with my addiction. And it's a beautiful spiritual community. And we work the the 12 steps, which is a highly spiritual process. And they say that there's 3 spiritual principles that are absolutely necessary in order to let go of addiction. And that is honesty, open mindedness, and willingness.

Betty Guadagno: 56:06

And if you have those three things, you're well on your way to a brand new life.

JClay: 56:12

Well, we're getting short on the time, so I want to start wrapping it up. And yeah, just really, if y'all have any, any last words, but real quick, honesty, open mindedness, willingness. Love that. Okay.

Betty Guadagno: 56:26

It's how. That's the acronym. How do I do this? Honesty, open mindedness, and willingness.

Troy Washington: 56:32

Funny. When I was working in corporate America, our biggest thing was willingness and ability. That's how I knew if I wanted to keep an employee or not. But, yeah, that's that's that's it. I know that we get to the end, Jay.

Troy Washington: 56:44

I know you were just wrapping up, but I I I wanna tell everybody that we are grateful for everybody that joined us today. Just knowing that we wouldn't be here without y'all, we'd definitely be doing something, but we're definitely grateful for the perfectness that you all brought. Betty, I wanna tell you, you are not liking to a spiritual teacher. You are you are that, and, we're grateful for having you on the show today as well. And, of course, we wanna let you give a shout out and talk to whoever you wanna talk to before we get off, and then, Jaya, close us out.

Betty Guadagno: 57:14

Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me on. This is like so many years in the making. I'm didn't bring my resentment with me or did I? I'm really grateful to be here today, though.

Betty Guadagno: 57:25

And I just wanna say that if anybody wants to connect, especially if you're dealing with something that you need to transform, Please feel free to reach out to me. My handle on all social media is buddha Betty. It's a play on words. So please feel free to reach out, and thanks again for creating this conscious space, guys. It's so important to be able to have these elevated conversations.

JClay: 57:48

Appreciate you. Appreciate you, Betty. Appreciate everybody that rocked with us today that's that's watching on the replay and all that. Make sure you share if you found this helpful. Subscribe, like, all that good stuff.

JClay: 57:59

And just remember, your perfect creation made by a perfect creator. So you might as well accept your perfection and enter perfect mode. Yeah. If I reminded you that you are perfect, would you argue me down or step into your perfection? Welcome to perfect, no more.

JClay: 58:19

Welcome to perfect, no more. There are no excuses, no expectations, and we explore the world without limitations. I'm Jay Clay, rapper, and spiritual teacher with my co host Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. Let's be real. So let's be perfect.

JClay: 58:37

Let's be perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.