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“First Voices Radio,” now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.
And now it's time for First Voices Radio with Tiokasin ghost orse.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Land, air, and water is nature's law. First voices radio brings to you the basics of how not to violate the law. We bring the awareness of a different paradigm to the airwaves as we shed the same old systematic paradigm that is killing mother earth. And you can hear the perspectives of indigenous peoples throughout the world and how they live with the law. Land, air, and water, the oldest way of living with mother Earth and not on mother Earth.
Narrator:What makes you such a threat? We choose the right to be who we are. We know the difference between the reality of freedom and the illusion of freedom. There's a way to live with Earth and a way not to live with Earth. We choose the way of Earth. It's about power.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Greetings and good day, and welcome my relatives as I shake your hands with a good heart. It's good for all of us to be here. First, look to the forever ones. The life giving force of the sun, it's wake up time. Today will be a good day.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:I'm here in a humble way. I'm just a common man, an ordinary man of earth. You are listening to First Voices Radio, and I carry the name Tiokasin ghost horse, sending you greetings and strength from the highlands of the Esopus, or temporarily called the Kasco Mountains and the land of the Munsee speaking Lenape. This is an all native hosted, all native produced First Forces Radio, and Liz Hill from the Red Lake Ojibwe Nation is a producer of First Forces Radio. On September 14, 2021, the New York Stock Exchange declared that nature was now a new asset class.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:That value and the benefits of nature are going to be determined as assets to be publicly traded in the market on Wall Street, of course. And the price tag of mother earth is set at $4,000,000,000,000,000. We're gonna find out more from our guest here on First Voices Radio. Rebecca Adamson is an indigenous economist, Cherokee, and founder of First Nations Development and First Peoples Worldwide. A leader, activist, and groundbreaking indigenous woman, Rebecca holds a distinct perspective about how indigenous people's systems thinking and the value system behind indigenous economies can be used to catalyze change.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And she's worked directly with grassroots indigenous communities and internationally as an advocate of indigenous self determination since 1970. In her first 5 years at the Coalition of Indian Control Schools were spent in and out of jail until the Indian Self Determination and Education Act was passed in 1975, making Indian self determination legal. And she's worked several places including on the Pine Ridge Lakota Reservation in South Dakota where she created the first microenterprise loan fund, the Lakota Fund, and she became one of the key leaders of the community development financial institutions movement. PRBECCA has won many awards, PBS Changemakers National Women's History recipient, Council on Foundation Scrivener award for most innovative grant maker, and many other awards, but she's widely known for asset based development strategies and coauthor the award winning book, the color of wealth, the story behind the US racial wealth divide. And currently, she serves as an adviser to the Wharton Business School, ESG initiatives, trustee women's media center, and trustee Bay Paul foundations.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And I wanna welcome you, Rebecca Adamson, to First Voices Radio. It's an honor to talk to you finally.
Rebecca Adamson:Thank you. Thank you so much, I looked back at kind of our paths together, and it's amazing we haven't crossed a whole lot more. But we start sort of start back in the days before anybody wanted to listen to indigenous people. So congratulations on your program. The world's changed, and you've been part of creating a voice for us.
Rebecca Adamson:So thank you. Thank you very much. I have to say, though, this is a hard topic to get anybody to cover. I probably think it's foreign, and they might be right.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Well, yeah, if we make I think it's interesting too because I think the the language we use will understand inherently as indigenous peoples because it was a foreign concept in the first place. Money is different than the exchange and and gifting each other in in a different way. And then the idea of how to deal with finances is is not that old. It's more or less fairly new amongst First Nations Peoples First Peoples. And that's the whole idea when I read the the article that you sent out to people, and it was entitled selling earth or selling mother earth.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And that's appalling. We all understand that as indigenous peoples because that's what their treaties, their their military, their government, even their science has pushed us into this corner of colonial corner where we become colonial. We're in a colonial coma, so to speak. We have to accept in order to survive. But I think things are changing, and I think awareness that you're bringing as well as other people in that long experience of how to deal with a foreign society and what they directly do to us as indirectly as it is, that we accept things and continue to be who we are with our cultures.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And so I'd want to, ask you your thoughts. You said that you were in retirement, but something had brought you out to the talking point. Both First Nations and First Peoples were dedicated to indigenous peoples controlling their assets. Let's spend some time on that.
Rebecca Adamson:Well, I I started, like I said, with the ending at Crow School Movement, and it was really, we wanted the right to have a say in the school and the education of our kids. But everywhere I went, there was brilliance in our communities, and I wanted to really tap into that. When I left the coalition, I started First Nations Development Institute with the idea that if we listened to our communities, they could solve their own problems, and they would create solutions in a way that led to new models. And to sum up kinda what the difference is here, Jokson, when and so I spent the past 50 years working in sort of economic systems, and the economy we're operating under that's thrust on us claims to be value neutral. There's no such thing as value neutral.
Rebecca Adamson:What they've done is create an economy so they don't have to be held accountable for the values of mass destruction, raping mother earth, completely exploiting people, animals, and the planet. That value neutral phrase that's in the economic system's definition says it all. Whereas indigenous people always had an economy that I say is value added. But in reality, it just meant we valued the trees for standing in the forest. So our economy was designed to protect the trees standing in the forest.
Rebecca Adamson:What we have and and so I spent 50 years understanding and working in that realm on helping develop new models in our communities, but also applying those design principles in the existing economy. And then I went into retirement. Well, it put me in a funny position of having worked in finance a lot, so I followed what was happening. And in September 14, 2021, for two and a half years ago, the New York Stock Exchange declared that nature was now a new asset class, that nature and the benefits of nature are going to be determined as assets to be publicly traded in the market. Basically, that scared the bejesus out of me, and it brought me out of retirement in a way to really begin trying to raise this conversation, trying to have indigenous people understand that, predominantly, it's their lands because they hold 80%.
Rebecca Adamson:Well, they hold about 30% of the world's land surface with 80% of the remaining biodiversity. So this nature and nature's benefit now being sold in the market is really gonna target indigenous people's lands more than anybody excuse me, anybody else's lands. In getting ready for that, the New York Stock Exchange announced that globally, these they've said it. The first thing you have to do is know how much the value is that you're gonna be selling, and then you have to know how you break it into parcels and what the revenues are gonna be. So the market decided and has said, globally, the natural assets are valued at $4,000,000,000,000,000.
Rebecca Adamson:So mother earth now has a price tag on her. The price tag's high, $400,000,000,000,000,000, but they're estimating that it produces a $125,000,000,000,000 in ecosystem services annually. So they're gonna create within the market the vehicles and products they need to capture that value and begin to trade it among themselves. The SEC, which is a securities exchange commission that's working, with the New York Stock Exchange to make this happen, Here's a quote from them, based on the valuation that I just gave you. The formidable output of nature underscores the financial potential of an asset class that is wholly based on environmental investments.
Rebecca Adamson:So nature will now be traded through what they're calling natural asset companies or NACs. The natural asset companies or NACs are gonna be the private sector enterprises that will hold the rights to mother Earth's eco and eco services, such as carbon sequestration, biodiversity, or clean water. That is rolling out to become commodified and traded on the market.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Rebecca, I have to think of breath. Because of what you just said, it just in I don't fathom that value that you just described into measuring how much land is and the biodiversity, including the the 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars, and then Earth just becomes a slave as intended with the, I would say, the wherewithal of of of the narrative that came here to the Western Hemisphere. And I'm standing here on the shore watching that narrative land in various ships and has put indigenous peoples into sir into a situationship. So we have to meet all those situations in order to exist, even to survive, and get to know the language of finances that you have. So when I'm thinking about, wow, this is property and domination happening or domination comes property comes out of domination.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:To own the Earth and that narrative of how how, who, what, who is worth what does it mean to us as indigenous peoples with 80% biodiversity and 30% of the land surface for us as native people? That means we have reduced lung capacity for air, reduced water capacity for for, you know, all these elemental consciousnesses that that that native people think with Earth Earth is a being, not a commodity. And so this split is even further apart. But to look at the language that makes us human beings, I think, is missing because we're we're being lost in the befuddlement, I would call it, of trying to understand what's happened here. This train wreck needs as we as humans need Earth as life as she is and not just a commodity where sooner or later the battery is gonna run out.
Rebecca Adamson:Absolutely. Absolutely. You you are exact I mean, I feel like in some ways, this is so surreal. It's like we're sitting here making this up. You know?
Rebecca Adamson:But this is the way they are going. They have set this in motion now, and it's it's mind boggling to think, don't they realize what the end of this is? It's the end of all life. You cannot pick apart mother Earth and sell her off. And, go back to the fundamental differences, indigenous people's economies had value added so that our values were what made us successful, taking care of the water, taking care of the trees, taking but also living in balance and harmony.
Rebecca Adamson:There is nothing like that in this economic system over here that they're using that they claim is value neutral. So if they destroy the oceans, it's nobody's fault. It's just the market because the market is value neutral. In in creating that design fundamental, they've it they like, they go back. You might know what era it was, but I think it was, like, in 500, AD where the pope declares himself infallible.
Rebecca Adamson:So he cannot make a mistake. Therefore, he's not responsible for anything. It goes that far back in this worldview that we're dealing with. And I think that we have to begin to look at the way the world's changed, the way we understand. We're all and we always did, but people are becoming like I said, when in the beginning, people are becoming aware of how interconnected and interrelated we are.
Rebecca Adamson:And we have to, as indigenous people, step out more and even lead more and take seats at the table on these issues and start, insisting and bringing our leadership to bear on it. But it it's the when the the horse is out of the barn on this, they are now looking at ways to to implement this, and we're gonna be the hard pressed ones. I just proof in what you said. We have 30% of the remaining land surface, and that's if you look at, owned and occupied lands. If you look at customary, we have 50% of the Earth's surface.
Rebecca Adamson:We have 80% of the remaining biodiversity. So that means they have absolutely eliminated all the biodiversity on their land. So where are they gonna come for these nature benefits? They have it targeted. They absolutely have been inventorying indigenous land.
Rebecca Adamson:80% of the biodiversity, 50% of the inland waters, 40% of the terrestrial areas, 33% of intact forest landscapes, 70% of the tropical forest. They know where these natural benefits are.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:It's almost like you're born people are born in measurement. You know, everything is measured and cost effective. And and then if if you get into anything else, to me, the difference is in the pronunciation, we could say economics or has it become economics in a sense that we understand? Like, they can say, well, native people are supposed to live in balance and harmony. That's not possible anymore because it doesn't take a village to raise a child.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:It takes the land to raise a child. And in a sense, if we are in balance and harmony, that's our romanticism when we know that's common sense to us. If we look at in the longer run, another world perspective is is, the the climate change profits. In other words, people are being become profits because of the climate change and but yet the word has an interplay of profit as in making money. Client change profit.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:So when I understand it, you talk about carbon carbon cowboys, the the the fraud of even terminology we use. Right? And yet it's all taking from nature, which data people don't have the word or definition or even the rights of nature, that these are totally foreign concepts. That's why they say that the ship the ships that are land that have landed have brought us with them and forced it upon all humans, really. And so we're in this schizophrenia that there's nothing gonna be left.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:So everybody's in a hurry to line up or get to that store and make sure that this imperialism thought process is permeates everyone and that we all should act because of artificial intelligence, but that we leave behind what they cannot make artificial is intuition.
Rebecca Adamson:You've completely described it. I mean, the next step after having this announced as an asset class is to begin to pull together what the markets and what the products are gonna be. And, this year I mean, this is, like, two and a half years ago since this has been announced in the market. And it and, again, it hasn't been covered that much. People don't seem to be aware of what this means.
Rebecca Adamson:I don't know if you're you're very well might be the only radio show that's covered this that I know of. But in San Jose, this October 24th 25th, they're gonna have a major conference of about 500 financial professionals called bloom 23. And and listen to the language, Dukes, and it this is how they're describing this. Nature has long been undervalued, underfinanced, and overexploited, But political and economic momentum is now shining a spotlight on biodiversity, offering a rare chance to reshape our relationship with living systems. What are the key action policy, finance, and business needed to establish the markets and financial structures required for transitioning to an equitable, nature positive economy.
Rebecca Adamson:Now I would like to believe that. I would really like to believe that. The problem is it's such a fundamental difference in how we look at nature. We have never looked at nature as an economic entity, and it's always been looked at as a living source. And so now we're gonna put this structure.
Rebecca Adamson:The the what they plan to do is that, the stock exchange and a group called IEG, which is really the Inter American Development Bank and Rockefeller and a group of investors that are coming together to develop, the Security Exchange Commission's approval of the unique listing requirements to approve the Nature Asset Companies and put them on the market. So they're in the middle now of designing what one of these companies will look like. Now the the problem with this is we look at, like you said, the carbon cowboy, that is a multibillion dollar market. And the Guardian just did a complete investigative piece and says that 90%, at least 90% of that market is fraudulent and has never produced any benefit by way of carbon storage for either the climate or the communities that have taken the land over and put these promoted these climate cowboy schemes on them. So their first effort out of the chute is a monumental disaster that's exploited the communities in their land and hasn't even helped the climate.
Rebecca Adamson:And and I just think that there's so much evidence that should be slowing them down and providing the humility they need to really look at what are these special companies supposed to look like. The problem with this economy is it's never paid any attention to distribution. It's paid all this attention to hoarding All these rich people at the top, and nothing comes down to anybody else. There's no reason to believe this will be any different except that mother Earth will die and so will all of us eventually under this particular scheme.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And that scheme can be laid out in 22 opposites in a sense. Cowboys and Indians. Who is the
Rebecca Adamson:Oh, I never thought of the yeah. You're right. It's 2 worldviews that are coming to the ultimate clash here, and the consequences are dire. I mean, the the consequences are destruction. I just because it the the fundamental principle on a market is once you put something in the market and you start making profit on it, you want more of it and then more of it and then more of it.
Rebecca Adamson:And it's proven, the only 2 entities in the world that think there's unlimited growth or even sustainable growth are freaking crazy people and economists.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:That's right.
Rebecca Adamson:And they still perpetuate this myth that we can have unlimited growth or even sustainable growth. We have to really pull it back and be in balance and harmony with life.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:That's right. That's right. And only life can show you that such as the the the year that everybody stayed out of nature, basically, because we were forced to through the pandemic, and then nature made a comeback. Also, if you think about this, Rebecca Adamson, is that what I was hearing sounds like making earth poor. Or you said these statements and out of that can well, let's make earth poor.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:They were describing indigenous peoples. Just make them poor and then tell them why they're poor and then enlighten them with the European renaissance to say that, look. We are we're bringing benevolence to earth now, and everybody's gonna be okay, including those animals and other life forms that are moving on into another dimension, I would say, because of the way we think about domination, which in many indigenous cultures around the world do not have the concept or the word for domination because we as indigenous peoples need to be in a relationship with Earth and making this language easy to understand, simp not simplifying it because the more simple it really gets is the more understandable, and you can do enormous thinking with simple terminology. And they want you to speak a codified language of finances so that no one understands it.
Rebecca Adamson:Exactly.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Yes.
Rebecca Adamson:That's exactly how they do this because this is really pretty basic. It it really they're gonna set these companies up. The stock exchange is gonna have a particular list of criteria that designates these as natural asset companies, and then they're gonna be entered onto the market for trading, buying, and selling. That's about it, but we need to be in there either stopping it, just plain stopping it, or we need to be in there with a lot of input. And by law, tribal people, indigenous people around the world, American Indians here, by law, have a right to have a say and be consulted on the programs that are gonna affect them.
Rebecca Adamson:So by right, as Security Exchange Commission should be consulting with us, and we need our leadership getting together on how do we feel about this. What's behind it all? The way they did the carbon cowboys is is what's been coming down the pipe for about 10 years now. The conservation groups this is this is the irony. The the big conservation groups, World Wildlife Fund, Wildlife Conservation Society, the Conservation International, they've been going around creating these protected areas.
Rebecca Adamson:Well, we all know how they created parks in this country. All the indigenous people got evicted, and they took over the parks. Protected areas are the contemporary term for parks. They're working with governments to create these national parks. And in fact, by 2030, they've got a campaign called 30 30.
Rebecca Adamson:By 2030, they wanna have 30% of the remaining wilderness put into protected park status. Well, if indigenous people own 30% of the remaining land surface with 80% of the biodiversity, that 30% is pretty easily figured out where they're gonna get it. They'll put that land into protected area status. Under that status, we have no rights again. A lot of times, we're evicted, but they will have all the rights to control nature's benefit.
Rebecca Adamson:That's how the carbon, market got started. It went into these protected areas, and then they claimed the storage carbon storage and sequestration rights to sell on the market. So you have and then when you look at the conservation organization at Turkson, over half of those each of those organizations, over half of their board of directors are corporate finance people, BlackRock, Goldman Sachs. They are already looking at the benefit here and positioning themselves to be in the front line of how these protected areas will get created that fit then really into this whole nature and nature's benefit and, into the natural asset companies. This thing is is underway.
Rebecca Adamson:I would ask the readers to look at bloom 23 in in San Jose and look at ways they're gonna give us more information. These are the guys that are getting more into the detail on this, and we need the information to understand how they see it working. And then we need the information to make our voices heard. So we have to get behind, Indigenous people need a finance policy immediately. They have to be putting out there that nothing can be financed on their territories without their say.
Rebecca Adamson:We need to be looking at designating if this is gonna go forward, these natural asset companies have to be designated as redistributing massive amounts of their wealth back to where they acquired the product, which or the service, the eco service. So if they took and got their product from I'm gonna make this up. I say if they took and got their water from Detroit or the Great Lakes, then 80% of their profit has and the money they generate has to go back to that place based revenue stream because they can't just be going around the planet, pulling all of the wealth out, keeping it in the little circle high in the sky, and nothing gets returned. You know, I didn't on with the actual solution in one way. This frightens me so much that I feel like we just need to really rally around a movement to stop it.
Rebecca Adamson:In another way, at the very least, the powers that are doing this need to recognize that, they're not just gonna roll us over.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And that's Rebecca Adams, and we'll be right back here on First Voices Radio. My name is.
Speaker 5:We were told, long ago that we would see America come and go. I wonder what generation that would be. What would be the science that we would see America in its failing times? And I think we're in that. And I think that this kind of exploitation is more recognizable and identifiable.
Speaker 5:The cultures are getting stronger, and we're getting to realize nation dying from within. So what you know about the life of the nation dying from within.
Speaker 3:I want you to know about the life of a native. Going up to generations most hated. Every day my people get screaming We are not the enemy that we're set to be. We're thinking of the generation that's ahead of me. So we'll continue to take the urge back for all of us.
Speaker 3:White, black, or brown, well together we should stand up. I want you to know about the life where we made it. Going up to generations, Mosaic it. Every
Speaker 5:respect, it's moving slowly across this country and educating people. So I think there's a time when all racism will be abolished.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Life of a Native, a single by Okema, o k e m a, in 2019, narrated by the late great Floyd Red Crow Westerman. And welcome back to First Voices Radio. My name is Theo Kazin, Ghosthorse. On September 14th 2021, the New York Stock Exchange declared that nature was now a new asset class and that nature and the benefits of nature are going to be determined as assets to be publicly traded in the market. The price tag for mother earth is now set at $4,000,000,000,000,000.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And we have Rebecca Adamson on the line, and we're gonna continue the second half of First Forces Radio's interview with her. Thank you for joining us here.
Rebecca Adamson:Indigenous people need a finance policy immediately. They have to be putting out there that nothing can be financed on their territories without their say. We need to be looking at designating if this is gonna go forward, these natural asset companies have to be designated as redistributing massive amounts of their wealth back to where they acquired the product, which or the service, the eco service. So if they took and got their product from I'm gonna make this up. Let's say if they took and got their water from Detroit or the Great Lakes, then 80% of their profit has and the money they generate has to go back to that place based revenue stream.
Rebecca Adamson:Because they can't just be going around the planet, pulling all of the wealth out, keeping it in the little circle high in the sky, and nothing gets returned. You know, I didn't come on with the actual solution in one way. This frightens me so much that I feel like we just need to really rally around a movement to stop it. In another way, at the very least, the powers that are doing this need to recognize that, they're not just gonna roll us over?
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Yes. And then you said it over 500 investors and entrepreneurs convening. This is all happening in San Jose. Yeah. There's there are people up for it.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Can we stand up for earth? And, you know, the park ideas, that's just still another foreign mentality. You know, when when you entitled this little email you sent to me, selling mother earth, that immediately brought up someone who actually knew what that meant. The before telephones, before, technology came along was Crazy Horse. He says Yeah.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:When does not sell mother Earth, basically, what does not sell the land? And that's what's happening now. And how many of us are behind? It feels like when you describe all the financial moves that you just did, it feels like I'm antiquated. I'm not I'm not in the know.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And maybe that's some of the people, any human being needs to know not just the terminology, but the etymology of why they're using this natural terminology to describe is this cowboys and Indians? Indians know the land. Cowboys are there to take it, and that's what's happening. Yeah.
Rebecca Adamson:And it and if they do have a defense in using a particular opaque language, like you're saying. You keep coming back right to the point on this. The language itself is almost a barrier, but stripped down there's a resource that the listeners could try. At the University of Arizona, in the law college, there's a group, indigenous peoples law and policy. So it's sorta IPLP, Indigenous Peoples Law and Policy.
Rebecca Adamson:The professor, Robert Williams had just had a global, conference and symposium on the protected areas because he is recognizing that protected areas are sorta gonna be the foundation of how they move this, nature and nature benefits into the market. And I would recommend, getting ahold of the University of Arizona through their, law college and and getting some of these resources. The other thing is, in green business, it, you could go on and Google green business and look for the bloom 23 conference and see who's gonna be there, the speakers that'll be there. These these aren't necessarily the bad guys. These are but they are the folks that are trying to get together to figure out how to do this now.
Rebecca Adamson:And, it just scares me. The language they're using has co opted our language. They say this stuff in a language now, and they don't even understand what it means.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:I think that's the trickster. They they will understand it. But this is incredible information, the knowledge, and I'm glad you came out of retirement. It feels like you never were that feels like you never were in retirement, Rebecca. And just just an honor to for you to give the sources and references to that conference, I IPLP, and, University of Arizona is good in the article Rebecca's talking about is bloom 23 where bio biodiversity meets the bottom line.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:You can go to greenbiz.com. And it's so much do you have any closing thoughts on what we just discussed, what you maybe I left out or didn't ask the question to bring that out?
Rebecca Adamson:No. That's fine. I wish I could say something very specific. It it just I'm still I'm still trying to put my mind around this, to be honest. I I have trouble.
Rebecca Adamson:You know, I sat on this for a year because I thought people are gonna think I'm crazy if I go out, you you know, and start talking about selling mother earth, and it's and it's happening. But then when I saw this conference come up, I just thought, that's it. We've gotta start a conversation. So I guess my closing thoughts would be, take it out. Take it out to our neighbors.
Rebecca Adamson:Take it out to our family. Take it out to our colleagues, and let's get this conversation going because I don't think I think black, white, brown, everybody is gonna lose on this if we're not part of it in directing it and in control. We have to be in control of this. They can't be allowed to do this in quiet and without hearing what our demands are. They just can't.
Rebecca Adamson:And and so I don't I mean, I have some maybe ideas around how you could structure some of the financing, but I don't think we're there yet. I think we need to really get their attention first.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Correctly. Directly with those communities that you talked about earlier. But Rebecca Adamson is an indigenous economist, Cherokee, and founder of First Nations Development First Peoples Worldwide, and leader activist as you hear the mind working here and the spirit in behind it and the groundbreaking indigenous woman that she is distinctively her perspective about how indigenous peoples think systems thinking and the value system behind indigenous economies can be used to catalyze change, but recognition, acknowledgment of what you used earlier, value neutral compared to value added is a different way of thinking. But I wanna just thank you, and it's so much an honor to talk to you, Rebecca. We should do this again soon.
Rebecca Adamson:If you have more questions and people really want follow-up, we could we could peel some layers back, but, just thank you. I mean, I've had actually tried to get this out to a couple places and and just thank you. I think this the first show and cover of it at all.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:This is so great to hear. Just thank you, Doksha Ake Wacheng Tello. Rebecca. Just just an honor to be here.
Rebecca Adamson:Thank you. Thank you so much.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:Once again, thank you for joining us here on First Voices Radio. After the interview, I spoke with Rebecca Adamson about having a perspective much different than the western perspective, not just comparative, but the difference. She referred me to a YouTube that she and the First Peoples. And you could go to first peoples.org for more. But here, you can go to YouTube if you have accessibility.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:And the name of the video I'd like you to watch is called Enoughness, restoring balance to the economy. And if you get to see that economy is much more than just what it means to humans. So it is, again, enoughness, restoring balance to the economy. Thank you, Rebecca Adamson, for the referral.
Narrator:Of the Earth like a dream of a highly advanced civilization will alter intelligent management of the Earth resources become the common heritage For humanity, behold a new world where the laws of man and religion will be erased and replaced with a resource based ancient artifacts practice. The latent artifacts oblivious to how bleak the future seems. The youth stay geeked, play me. Groot to computer screens Do what that will shall be the whole of the law. In a sense, predates the guilt created by the great fall. So which do you choose? Pure life or more strife? Strife? The core sacrifice, but you're the one that pays the price. Forget what they too say, the prophecy of doomsday was more like April fools day. Not the end of the world, but the end of the age. Beware the wrath of the sage and do the math on the page.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:My name is. I wanna thank you for joining us here on First Voices Radio. And so thank you again. Stay tuned. Next week, in the next few weeks, we'll be visiting and guest host Kealakelle, Kanaka Maoli out in Hawaii, and she'll be here to guide you through this part of the March and into April.
Tiokasin Ghosthorse:So stay tuned for her. Very important messages and programs. Thank you.