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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
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Ben: [00:00:00] If Otto von Bismarck had weed, Ah, what a different world this would be. The maps of the globe would be different if Otto von Bismarck had weed.
Sara Century: I'm here looking at my calendar and I've discovered that I'm covering an event on the 18th. Discovering means I actually agreed to this and then just forgot about it, but it's a Kenny Rogers tribute band. So that should be pretty fun, right?
Greg: Wait, are you part of the Kenny Rogers
Sara Century: no, I'm just doing volunteer work at the theater.
Greg: Oh, okay.
Ben: Okay. I hope they have chicken or
Jeremy: I don't think it's a Kenny Rogers Roasters tribute band.
Ben: If I was a Kenny Rogers tribute band, I would absolutely be trying to work the chicken angle into it as well. I would be why go into it if you're not trying to create the all, like, the all immersive Kenny Rogers experience?
Sara Century: I'm gonna report back. I'll let [00:01:00] you know how it goes.
Jeremy: Sounds great.
Ben: I just want to see some goddamn ambition for my Kenny Rogers cover band. Would be better if it was fuckin like ve if it was like vegetarian imitation chicken.
Sara Century: For me, yeah.
Ben: imitation chicken for the cover band.
Sara Century: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good. That's thematic.
Greg: Everybody gets deep fried mushrooms.
Emily: that's
Ben: Well, you should be look, if you're going to see a Kenny Rogers cover band, I recommend Mushrooms for sure.
Emily: Ha! Waka waka waka! Yeah. Yeah. Good evening and welcome to progressively horrified the podcast. We old hoard of progressive standards. It [00:02:00] never agreed to tonight. We did it. We found the bingo. We've been doing this podcast for three years. We finally found a horror movie. That's Jewish, queer. It has disabled characters. It's feminist.
Jeremy: It's about the clashing of cultures. It's attachment.
Emily: Yay!
Jeremy: it hit all the marks. I am your host, Jeremy Whitley, and with me tonight I have a panel of cinephiles and cinebites. First, they're here to challenge the sexy werewolf, sexy vampire binary, my co host Ben Kahn. Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Oh, I am ready to review the most iconic lesbian Jewish movie since Kissing Jessica Stein. Oh
Jeremy: Absolutely. And the cinnamon roll of cinebites, our co host Emily Martin. How are you tonight, Emily?
Emily: Like I said before, communication is important. I don't
Ben: my
Emily: you're from Finland, you gotta say something.
Ben: Talk about a movie where if everyone had just communicated, every single problem would have been resolved.
Emily: Yeah, although everything was very realistic
Ben: Oh, we'll get into that, yeah, we're gonna [00:03:00] unravel that fucking Gordian Knot of Jewish mother affet ly affection.
Greg: and, and the clash of Jewish mother versus Scandinavian mother in one body.
Emily: Oh god. Yeah,
Ben: Yeah,
Emily: I'll bring the Scandinavian part to that because I have some opinions
Jeremy: And then you just heard him, our first guest tonight. Comics journalist and friend of the podcast, Greg Sober. Greg, how are you? Welcome back!
Greg: Uh, thank you for having me back. It's always a pleasure to come on. I'm very excited to talk about Jewish lesbians. More media with Jewish lesbians, please.
Emily: yeah. Or just, I mean, more media with lesbians so we can have like, we can fill
Greg: Yeah. They don't have to be
Ben: mean, Rachel Sennett is trying her best.
Greg: Oh, I forgot a sh Shiva baby. Okay. That counts too
Ben: it was mostly just a Shiva baby reference. I don't, I'm not even sure if Rachel Sennett is actually Jewish.
Greg: She's not, I checked
Jeremy: And our [00:04:00] second guest tonight, you've already heard her, a friend of the podcast, writer of the new narrative fiction podcast Medusa Mask, Sarah Century! Welcome back, Sarah!
Sara Century: Yeah, I'm back! Hey, everybody! This movie rules! I'm so happy to be here to talk to all of you about how cool this movie was.
Ben: Okay, I'm really glad you opened with that because, yeah, right off the gate, this movie's fantastic.
Sara Century: a good ass movie!
Jeremy: two movies about lesbians in a row where neither of them is trying to kill the other one.
Ben: next next rankings episode we do, this one's going to be pretty damn high on the list. Like, this is going to be climbing them ranks.
Ben: This is a very good.
Jeremy: Then I know you were you were gone for her sir the bone woman if you haven't watched it yet I do suggest you grab that because I think that one is going pretty high as well. So on the rankings
Ben: with all that free time I've got with our weekly podcast.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: You can do it. You can watch it while you're already at a convention, you know.
Emily: There you [00:05:00] go. Watch it at your table.
Jeremy: yeah, uh, again, this is, that's not the only thing that this movie has in common with last week's movie it is, again, a first time feature director. And they are a writer director. There's, uh, Gabriel Bier Gieselessen.
Jeremy: I'm not sure if it's a hot soft G or a hard G there. It could be Gieselessen.
Emily: If they're Danish it's probably hard, but, or you'd probably say it like a Y
Jeremy: and it stars Ellie Kendrick, Josephine Park, Sophie Grable, David Denik, and that's pretty much it. Like, there are a couple of other, bit part characters that come in and out, but it's mostly these four on screen at any given time, and they are all stellar.
Ben: Oh, they all bring it. Okay. I really thought I was gonna have a lot of notes in this movie. Most of my notes were just me talking about how much I love Lev.
Jeremy: Lev is my, as much as I love the two, like, the two main characters, the two women in this story, and like, as [00:06:00] cute as they are together, which is unusual for like, relationships in horror movies, that they have this
Ben: Oh, they're so cute together! That I was actually rooting for them to be and stay together the whole movie is honestly fucking remarkable.
Greg: Yeah,
Jeremy: but as soon as Lev comes in, and there's like, when he says, you know, the Kabbalah, and she says, like Madonna, and he goes, no, and just keeps going.
Emily: Well, he's like, uh, okay, like that, that pause,
Ben: time Lev was on screen, I was just like pointing at the screen going, He just like, me for real. God,
Jeremy: The way Lev says it in a way that you're like, he said, okay, but that's. That's not what he said.
Jeremy: Like,
Emily: was so many, so much context to that okay, like,
Ben: I, every single experience he had like, I don't know what to relate it to other than like, my soul. When he was like, well you didn't need to drop the chips, now they're on the floor. [00:07:00] Man,
Greg: I feel like if there's an alternate universe. in which I was an orthodox Jew. Like, Lev would probably be the kind of guy I'd grow into. Like, just selling old obscure books and talking to anybody who asks about demons and whatnot. Even though, as my sister pointed out as we were watching this movie she was like, if you watch this movie knowing nothing about Judaism, you would think that we're talking about demons just all the time.
Greg: And as much as I wish that was true, because I'm a horror fan,
Ben: system is so badass, and none of this was actually part of culture growing up.
Greg: no, I wish it
Ben: I had to learn what the Sephiroth was from Digimon.
Emily: not from Final Fantasy VII?
Ben: I did [00:08:00] not make that connection. Digimon was like, Digimon had got a real
Emily: Well, he
Ben: just took over the brain for a while, then Final Fantasy came in.
Emily: yeah, that's, yeah,
Jeremy: forget, Ben's a little younger than us. So
Emily: forget, yeah.
Jeremy: Final Fantasy 7 didn't, didn't hit at the same time.
Ben: Like, I went back to Final Fantasy VII, but that wasn't until mid 2000s.
Jeremy: yeah, and I'm not Jewish, I will say. I have plenty of Jewish friends. And between the way Lev says okay, and the way that Lev has an incredibly important message about demons to tell her, I that he refuses to tell her and only does so by, like, showing her some other random pages in the book and then letting her flip to the demons so that she can, like, ask questions about them herself.
Jeremy: It's like, between those two things, it was like, I, Lev is like my friend's mom. Like,
Ben: Oh, the, Lev and Chana, like, the little Jewish experience, like, [00:09:00] yes, that Jewish, that motherly Jewish affection that I can only describe as like, super judgmental. Refuses to communicate, Devoid of most actual affection, But will still go like, Go to the ends of the earth and destroy demons for
Greg: Well, I have to add to that, it's important to remember that Anna is not just Jewish, she is also Danish, which, and we were talking about this a little bit before we started recording. These two cultures are often at odds with her, within her own character. Because I feel like, I don't know about you guys, I, I mean, I know we all love Jewish mother jokes, but if I was possessed by a dybbuk, my mom would be on me all the time making sure I'm wearing my special amulet every day that protects me from the dybbuk.
Ben: would definitely be getting [00:10:00] blamed for being possessed.
Greg: oh, yeah, like, maybe not my mom, but like,
Ben: I would have a It would be a ghost problem, It would be an attitude problem about my ghost.
Emily: If, yeah, if she was able to communicate her, like, guilt, like, if she was able to talk about it, because that's the thing that's where the Danish comes in, is she, it's, this is like a sensitive, emotional topic, and so she can't talk about it because it's, you just
Ben: She fucking puts him away though.
Emily: Yeah, yeah,
Ben: fucking drink.
Emily: well, again, Danish, but as I said about Scandinavians, they have two modes, stoic and drunk. Anyway I say this with, my relatives in heart and mind, and they would agree.
Sara Century: She's my favorite character. I loved her so much. I really loved the mom. I, she's so, caring and it's tense.
Greg: even, even though she was really mean to Maja,
Sara Century: Yeah, she's mean to Maja, but Maja kind of is fine. She's fine.
Ben: God, [00:11:00] I, I knew Lev was gonna be my favorite character, and I didn't know how much screentime he would have, but I knew this bookshop owner was gonna be my favorite, if only for the one interaction. Well, the line that really got for me was when he's explaining, like, you know, just some of this mysticism books, and he's just like, oh, like, you know, demons and such, and she repeats back, but she's just like, oh, demons, and he, like, very insistently, but past me, goes like, and such.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: That's what I know. I'm like, oh, this guy's got my whole ass
Greg: he,
Emily: know.
Greg: his deliveries, like, I really hope, I, I don't remember the name of the actor because
Jeremy: uh, David Denik.
Greg: Okay. I really hope,
Ben: Incredible.
Greg: I really hope we could see him in more things. soon because even though this was a cast of unknowns I think they all did stellar work and he especially, just his timing and his delivery was so endearing.
Sara Century: And he [00:12:00] kept being like, you all should talk. Maybe if we talked, we should talk.
Emily: Yeah, he did do that. And the, but the way that he sort of, like, everything was a suggestion for him. Even the, like, please get out of my hat, my shop. Like, it was all very, like, okay. All right. I'll see you. I'll, yeah. Okay.
Ben: they nailed that authentic Jewish energy. Like, they even embodied The, like, the fine cultural art of complaining. When they are explaining the whole backstory dib hick thing and he is still finding time to bitch about how inconvenient it is to meet in the woods.
Jeremy: Uh, this is some of my favorite lines, his lines about meeting in the woods.
Ben: Incredible.
Jeremy: let me,
Sara Century: she's like, we live in a house, okay? We live in a house. Yeah,
Emily: yeah,
Jeremy: and hit the, uh, the recap here. We'll start getting through it and then we have some context for all these, things we're talking about. Okay, so this, uh, it starts with a little bit that we're going to [00:13:00] see over and over of a woman laying over an unconscious girl, asking her to get up.
Jeremy: It's going to come back and back again. It doesn't mean anything to us at this point, but, you know, it sets the eerie tone. So we, we opened in a bookshop. Uh, there is a woman dressed as an elf running along, trying to get to something that she is late to, can't find her way around. Uh, this is Maja.
Ben: This movie's sense of subtlety when the, goy girlfriend is literally dressed as an elf and her only backstory is Christmas.
Jeremy: yeah, yeah, she's. She is, this is a bit I love with her and the elf thing. We, we will learn later that she is a failed actress who is only really known for playing a Christmas elf in this one, like locally, you know, known thing in, in her country where she was an elf and so now there's like standies and stuff of her, but
Sara Century: it's wild how much game that gives her though. She's like an elf and every main character falls in love immediately.
Ben: that she has in that fucking hat.
Sara Century: know!
Emily: it's a [00:14:00] good hat.
Sara Century: She's
Ben: say as if it w As if it would not work on me, like, every time.
Emily: Well, and it, you know, in, in Scandinavian countries, elves have like a whole different thing, and I'm not talking about the Hudufuk, but like. You know, you have the tongue to and you have like all these little guys. this is the input I can give as somebody with the Scandinavian side,
Jeremy: yeah, well she, she is, uh, rushing through this bookshop and crashes into, uh, Leah, who is a grad student who is there studying they have a little meet cute, which is mostly just her trying to figure out where the hell the story time is that she's supposed to be going to she, you know, Leah points her in the right direction, she gets there just in time to, uh, realize that she starts to tell the story in the book to the kids that the book she has is now, uh, a book about the history of Jewish art.
Jeremy: that's not going to work for the Christmas story. So she apparently makes up a story about, that involves a Christmas bazooka and several explosions. Um, the kids seem to love it. The parents,
Ben: Yeah, it's fuckin badass! [00:15:00] I would watch
Jeremy: go for it as hard.
Ben: I
Sara Century: like, they all die.
Ben: I think she just describes Silent Night starring David Harbour.
Jeremy: Yeah. Uh, so she messes that up, but, uh, You know, Leah returns to give her back her book, which is apparently rare at this point and uh, Maja uses this as occasion to ask Leah out for a drink and they end up going back to Maja's place to get some tea. She doesn't drink, but she does like tea, or, well, it's not that she doesn't drink, it's that it's 11 o'clock in the morning, the, it's almost noon, she thinks it's a little early for the drinking.
Jeremy: So they go back to Maja's place and start with some tea and move later to some drinks. They end up hanging out together and they, they do a real like cute series of cuts where, you know, you see them talking and you see their legs under the table and they're moving closer and closer to each other throughout the thing.
Jeremy: we only overhear sort of bits of their conversation. And eventually this moves to kissing and then, [00:16:00] uh, them being cute and then being in bed together.
Emily: And listening to sweet Danish David Bowie, like,
Ben: cute and real gay.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: They're listening.
Greg: their relationship progresses so quickly.
Ben: Yeah. No that that that checks out
Greg: I saw it with my sister who I think I said before is also a Jewish lesbian. but, uh, she was like, yeah, that checks out, like, lesbian relationships move very quickly.
Jeremy: Yeah, I mean, it was funny. Alicia stepped out for a moment during the book stuff and came back and they were back in her apartment and she was like, Oh, did they move in together already? That was very quick. Like, no, no, no, she's just having a drink first. But that very quickly turns into them spending the night together,
Ben: that that checks out.
Jeremy: in truly embarrassing fashion Leah sleepwalks while she is spending the night at her, at Maja's place.
Jeremy: She is just staring into the mirror and Maja wakes her up and she doesn't know what's going on. Apparently this never happens. We get [00:17:00] some sort of scattered details about Leah's family and Maja and her, past. We learn a little bit about, um, all of Leah's that her mom married, Her dad, who was part of a very close knit Orthodox Jewish community in London and then her dad fucked off.
Jeremy: We don't really get a lot of details on
Ben: I thought for sure her the dad was the dybbuk But we don't get anything beyond. Yeah, he just fucked off.
Jeremy: I, I was sure that it was going to turn out that like she had killed the dad, you know,
Ben: Oh, that would have been good
Jeremy: thing, but they, they never come back to the dad that, uh, he is he is gone.
Greg: I am fine with just like the explanation of he doesn't matter. Like he is
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: sir. not appearing in this film.
Ben: No, but he
Ben: got, just enough mention and setup that I thought there was gonna be more of a payoff.
Greg: That's
Emily: Yeah. I remembered with the
Ben: There was a bit of, there was a bit of Chekhov's dad that didn't go [00:18:00] off. In a
Emily: Yeah I seem to remember, like, when I first watched this, I thought that the dad, like, I remember the dad being more of a part of it, but then, you know, on the second watch, I, it did not,
Ben: about a family keeping dark secrets and a dad who mysteriously disappeared, it is not very often that the dark secrets have nothing to do with the disappeared dad.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: yeah, but we don't need, like,
Ben: No, I'm not saying it's necessary. I'm not saying it's a negative to the movie. I'm just saying it's a little, like, it's a little odd.
Sara Century: She ends up being a super mom. It's, that's it. Is she just super mom so hard that guy just kind of blipped out of existence, I think.
Ben: Yep. Honestly, yeah,
Emily: I have some opinions about that when we get to the talking points, but,
Jeremy: Yes. so Maja and Leah getting sort of this this flirt fuck crash cycle for, it's a little hard to determine exactly how long, a couple of days, it seems like maybe.
Greg: In my head, it is [00:19:00] literally two days.
Ben: look, once you're in that cycle, time honestly stops for a while. Like time. It's hard to track time.
Sara Century: This matches my joke that lesbians don't have sex for like 15 or 20 minutes, but instead for six month increments. And so that just kind of was like six months that just kind of went by in a blur, probably. And then, yeah, then trouble starts because they didn't talk about any of their past the whole
Emily: yeah, yeah, they would listen. They did kind of move in together, but well, yeah, we'll get to that.
Jeremy: yeah, Leah is supposed to leave. She's got a flight that she's supposed to catch back to London. But she decides at the last minute after she's already like left not to go. So she, comes back and surprises Maja, who is having a very like cute real moment on the bed at this point where like, you know, after being sort of like with this girl non stop for several days, Maja just sort of like crashes into this bed and makes a series of noises about her [00:20:00] leaving.
Jeremy: But then Leah shows back up. Unfortunately it is not too long until, um, Leah has a sudden unexpected seizure, um, during which Maja is trying to help her, and, uh, Leah ends up breaking her leg in the process finally now does have to go back to London to to see her mom and her doctor and Maja decides to go back with her.
Jeremy: Because she's got nothing keeping her there, she lives in her dead mom's apartment she doesn't have any friends or a job, so she's just gonna follow her girlfriend back to London and live in this extremely close knit, very Jewish community that she knows nothing about,
Ben: yeah. That was not Maja's. Soundest decision.
Jeremy: a couple
Greg: I, I will say though, it's remarkable that the movie chooses not to depict any homophobia. Like,
Emily: yeah,
Greg: like, Chana, and Lev both, they're just like, I don't [00:21:00] care.
Jeremy: You know, Lev so much Lev comes out and says like, She might not like you, but it's not for the reasons you think. Like, she's fine with it. There's I could very well hate you for that reason, but I don't. Like, maybe I should.
Jeremy: I don't.
Ben: pulling out the Seinfeld, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Jeremy: Except for his sign says, there might be something wrong with it, but I don't care. Like,
Emily: yeah,
Jeremy: with it, but it's fine.
Greg: He says, I don't care. I could care. Maybe I should care, but I don't care.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: You know what, that describes me about so many things.
Jeremy: Yeah. So this is, um,
Emily: importantly, most importantly, Lev, as the kids say, based.
Jeremy: We don't meet Lev yet. Uh, we, I would give for Lev to have, like, This funny Jewish Constantine type series where he just goes around doing like Jewish mythology, supernatural, while like just [00:22:00] being hilarious and complaining about everything.
Greg: You should copyright that. That's, that's a good idea.
Jeremy: that show,
Emily: yeah, absolutely. It's like Curb Your Enthusiasm, but like, Constantine.
Ben: Yeah. that's the comp. Exactly. It's Curb Your Enthusiasm
Ben: meets Constantine.
Emily: Curb Your Enthusiasm's
Jeremy: so They go back to the neighborhood and we meet Chana Leah's mom. She is intense.
Ben: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: she, uh, is very, um, intense in a mom fashion. She's on top of Leah from the moment Leah is in the door trying to take care of her, trying to get her to take a nap. She's, living in the apartment downstairs or at the flat downstairs from Leah.
Jeremy: Leah is very careful to say that she doesn't live with her mom. She just lives with her mom. Her just, her mom and her just happen to live in the same building, but not like together. She doesn't live with her mom. She just by her mom.
Emily: adjacent to her mom.
Jeremy: Yes, upstairs from her mom.
Ben: Leah's got those. Leah's cute, so that gets that helps her with [00:23:00] having some not great game.
Emily: She has, she is so cute though.
Ben: so
Emily: She is so charming. That's
Jeremy: Liz, the actress I knew coming into this, because she's on Game of Thrones, she's in a couple of other things.
Emily: right!
Jeremy: Yeah, was Mira Reed.
Jeremy: yeah, she's the one who has to carry the Bran plot for several seasons.
Ben: Oof. A a thankless task if there ever was one.
Emily: I thought Hodor was carrying.
Jeremy: no, he's holding the door. He carries brand, she carries the plot.
Emily: Yeah. Right. That's, thank you,
Jeremy: yeah, so, there are a series of traditions and or superstitions. I don't want to call too many of these things superstitions, because some of them are just religious practices, but some of them are also a bull that you catch demons in.
Jeremy: So there's, uh, A lot of stuff going on here. And Maja is not sure what to make of any of it. Maja [00:24:00] is not religious. It would seem at all. Certainly doesn't believe in demons.
Greg: I have to add once again, neither do most Jewish people. Demons are not an ongoing concern for the average Jewish person. Like, this movie makes you think that we constantly talk about them. And I wish that were true, but we're usually just talking about what our next
Ben: Now, I will say, in my household, talk about demons was constant, but we specifically meant my mother's parents.
Jeremy: yeah, it's I feel like with any of these movies, like, I think that's true of any religion in a horror movie is that, the Catholic Church largely does not spend all of their time doing exorcisms. But if you watch horror movies, you would think that's all the priests do. that's largely what, priests and preachers [00:25:00] and rabbis deal with in horror movies pretty much constantly.
Ben: well, there's a lot of stuff, at least You know, I certainly come from a very assimilationist, reformed, though, strong, cultural, practiced, Jewish background. Yeah, where it's like, it's much more the story, like, it's much more focused on the Torah. And all of this mysticism stuff, like, comes from sources outside, like, the main books of the Torah.
Ben: And anything that isn't specifically the Torah or the Talmud is On the DVD bonus features.
Jeremy: I mean, to be fair, the same is true of the Bible, but Christians don't act like it. The majority of, like, things about demons and angels and stuff that, like, you get from movies that are about Christianity, Like, that stuff isn't in the Bible. The war between the angels is not in the Bible. Like,
Ben: Yeah, but Revelations is
Ben: [00:26:00] the most badass
Emily: It is the most badass
Sara Century: best part.
Ben: The
Emily: all of the shit about Satan falling from heaven, like light, like lightning as, uh, RA Julia put it in the classic film street fighter that is all fan fiction. That is all like. You know, 1700 to 1800s fan fiction. It's not even that old,
Emily: you know?
Jeremy: you know, there's stuff in the Apocrypha, the books of the Bible that we, that the Catholic Church does not feel comfortable putting in there, that they're like, we can't really say what, who wrote this or when, or if it's true. Revelations is just like the one that sneaks through because they're like, yeah, but like, what if the Bible had a real cool ending where everything exploded?
Sara Century: yeah.
Jeremy: you need to have some way to
Sara Century: Babylon.
Ben: Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, I mean, just the name of it is so fuckin badass.
Emily: seals and the trumpet and the woman clothed in the sun and the moon at her feet
Sara Century: Horror of [00:27:00] Babylon.
Emily: Yeah, the Whore of Babylon is
Greg: some, someday,
Sara Century: my favorite character.
Jeremy: So, Maja is wandering around the apartment in her underwear various times throughout the story, but, uh, you know, finds a weird earthen ball under, uh, a table and of course is like, let me pick this up and see what this is about. At which point Chana surprises her.
Jeremy: She drops the bowl. She breaks the bowl. Chana gives her the most like heavy guilt bit of like, oh yeah, it's a priceless artifact. She's like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. No, it's not. I just made it. She's like, oh, that's funny. It's like, yeah, it's not important. I made it. I guess I'll just have to make another one.
Jeremy: Like, you know,
Ben: Aw, the
Ben: guilt is, aw, the guilt is, like, butter is laying down.
Emily: It is like a fucking, guilt whiplash. She's like, oh, yeah, it's a Babylonian, ancient Babylonian. No, actually, I made it, so it's not really worth
Ben: The
Emily: but it is irreplaceable.
Ben: that's the line she [00:28:00] has, it's not valuable, just irreplaceable. that
Emily: felt bad. Also, like at that point, if I was Maja, I would not touch anything ever again. Like, after that shit, I'd be like, okay, can I sit down? Can I use the bathroom?
Jeremy: I,
Ben: devastation was so fucking real.
Jeremy: I tell you what, I would be out that door and that like, Charlie, that said, Charlie Brown music would be following me like I was George Michael and like,
Ben: I felt like I'd been, I feel like I'd been sent to my room,
Greg: I mean, I do think we should address the fact that, like, this is, I think Maja's first night in this new place, and it feels a little bit almost presumptuous that she's just, like, walking around in her underwear in someone else's house. I mean, granted, you know, there is that separation between Leah's apartment and her mom's [00:29:00] apartment, but I don't know.
Greg: I don't think I'd be able to do that, like, first night at someone's house.
Jeremy: Now she'll, she'll, get checked for that in a bit because they do try to fool around at one point and Hata just like walks in and in the middle of it.
Ben: time for soup and massages.
Jeremy: and Lea is like, Mom, you can't just do that. And meanwhile, Maja has straight up like turned to Ash, you know, she's just like, No!
Emily: Oh god!
Ben: I will say, Shauna's acceptance, level of acceptance felt very real. in that it was a very fine balance in that she's not outwardly bigoted about it. She's not angry about the relationship, but she is also not openly acknowledging it either.
Sara Century: Yeah, she wouldn't be happy, it seems like, in any situation. It's like, any person who comes into this house, she's like, Weird that you [00:30:00] brought this person here.
Ben: that level of, I'm not rejecting your identity, but I'm not accepting it either. Yeah, real, real, real relatable.
Greg: I, do just to interject real quick because is going to drive me nuts, Ben. It's Chana uh, not Shauna.
Ben: Chana,
Greg: know, with a "Ch" sure. Oh
Jeremy: it's Chana, but Hanukkah, like
Greg: Yeah. Fair
Jeremy: yeah it's the Hanukkah to Chana, like, okay. Yeah, sorry.
Ben: You want to have a bite?
Emily: Don't go
Ben: make, we will make every fucking listener gag from how much phlegm will go into this conversation.
Sara Century: bets.
Emily: Um, I
Jeremy: it's the only one that doesn't have a distinct, like, cultural like, sound in her name, because Maja has the J that is soft, the, it looks like Maja, and it's Maja, [00:31:00] like, So, you know, it's not just on one side that this is, maybe unusual to an American audience.
Emily: just say this. Ben's been saying it right the whole time. It's just the noise cancelling on their, mic has been interfering. that's, yeah. So, because if I tried to say Kahn, uh, I don't know if anyone can, if my mic is racist, I think.
Jeremy: Yeah, my other mic always had trouble picking that stuff up, but this one, it's fine. So, yeah, she busts in because she wants to give her, uh, some soup and a massage. Leah wants to share the soup. That's not gonna fly with Chana. Uh, I guess this really depends what direction you're coming from as to how you see it.
Jeremy: I feel like Maja really is like, what the fuck? Like I can't have soup. And Leah is, Leah's angry that Maja can't have soup now. And Chana's like, no, it's, fucking not for you. Like,
Ben: She's [00:32:00] just like, I'm just imitating my favorite Seinfeld episode. No soup for you.
Jeremy: yeah. Oh, we did also forget there was the first night there is a, candle that lights itself at the end of the bed. We see that it lights itself. Maja just wakes up to it being lit and goes to blow it out and goes back to bed.
Ben: Now, I, I love knowing what we know about the end of the movie. Because the implication is something like supernatural is happening and it's lighting itself. But no, it's just like a very sneaky Jewish man tiptoeing around. Or
Jeremy: I don't
Ben: the mom.
Emily: I think it's the mom
Emily: that lights the candle.
Greg: I took it as being the mom.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: The candle seems to light itself the way that it's shown in the movie. Maja, Maja makes the jump and assumption that somebody is sneaking into their room and lighting a candle, which doesn't really seem any more unusual, like
Ben: I'd say,
Jeremy: strange to me than the candle lighting itself.
Ben: We see her making potions and shit. She probably just got, like, [00:33:00] remote pyrokinesis powers.
Jeremy: It's just like a big version of those birthday candles that
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: they
Ben: I don't know which name of God lets you light candles, like, with your mind, but I know one of them does it.
Emily: Get on it. Figure that shit out. Well, I don't know if, Goyim can learn that. I think we, that's just, that'll turn, like, burst
Ben: I I don't
Ben: know how the
Ben: fucking power system works.
Jeremy: If you use the wrong one, it'll turn and it'll become, it'll come alive and kill people.
Jeremy: And
Ben: Our religion did not come with an actual stat system.
Greg: Yeah. May, maybe that's one to ask Madonna about.
Emily: I,
Ben: she can light candles of her mind for sure. She definitely knows the right name of God.
Emily: The realest thing I've ever heard anyone say. On this podcast was Alana being like, the Kabbalah's for the goyim, like, [00:34:00]
Greg: Yes.
Ben: In terms of like, the Jewish mysticism in the way that this movie presents it, the one that I'd say is most And y'all feel free to jump in I think I would say the one that's most mainstream or well known, not that it's still like a religious story, but just that it's known, is the Golem,
Emily: yeah,
Greg: Yeah.
Sara Century: Yep.
Emily: And more people should know that
Ben: which is a badass story, it's a badass story.
Emily: yeah,
Jeremy: Maja apparently has never heard of a Golem. So like, not only does she not know anything about Judaism, she doesn't know anything about like D and D she didn't watch the 1920s silent film, The Golem, before.
Emily: She didn't read any books, even though she is a fantasy character in a show. So, maybe just reading fantasy isn't her thing
Jeremy: Speaking of
Jeremy: fantasy characters, this is actually. The moment where mom comes in to do the massage and and Maja is dismissed. She, she decides to walk down the street and step [00:35:00] into the bookshop, uh, where she meets Lev, who we will later find out is uncle Lev to this group.
Jeremy: he is um, Leah's non existent dad's brother. certainly not appearing in this film's brother. and Lev, I think as we've said pretty deeply, is one of our favorite characters because Lev first dismisses her like he's on the phone when she comes in and like gets off the phone like oh I've got to go deal with this like there's a dog that's wandered into his shop or something like that like it's just like I gotta deal with this shit hold on I'll call you back
Ben: Well, she doesn't do herself any favors with her request.
Jeremy: she is like I just need like a she wants a starter book on Judaism and he's like ah no that's not really What I do here this this stuff is a little more advanced,
Ben: He does not have
Ben: Judaism for dummies.
Greg: it is a little bit odd though that like, I, he could have just given her the TaNaK, [00:36:00] like you would think you would carry that at the Jewish bookstore, and that's the most basic, you know, Jewish book you could get.
Jeremy: all I can assume is that this is like the Jewish bookstore version of like College Record Store where, where it's just like red hot chili peppers. No, we don't carry that. You'll have to go down the street.
Ben: there's definitely like the high fidelity.
Emily: go to the tower.
Ben: this is like High Fidelity, where Jewish Jack Black is asking Lev, which is like his top 5 versus like parts of the Talmud are.
Jeremy: I would watch that.
Emily: Yeah, yeah, well, I think that Lev, is definitely reading to me as somebody who is Not, this is not his circus explaining how to be Jewish 101. Like, he's interested in some esoteric shit, and he's tired of, yeah,
Ben: what it is. He is so fucking deep into his hyper focus. That having to explain, [00:37:00] like, just, again, the ba like, the 101, like, okay, so there was this dude, Abraham.
Emily: yeah,
Ben: like, again, for like, Superhero it'd be like, again, for like, the super, like, the Star Wars fans, and someone comes in and is like, So why do some people have, like, the laser sword?
Ben: What's up with that?
Emily: I want to learn about, I want to learn about Star Wars and Mr. Spock. Can you tell me about Mr. Spock and the Star Wars?
Jeremy: yeah, all I can figure is he does not want to, uh,
Ben: maybe that's not maybe I should not have compared my religion to Star Wars, but I'm sticking
Emily: No, I, I'm gonna, I'm really gonna hijack this and mention that this, this exact same thing happened to me, except I was in a shop nearby that was run by a Native American man, and he was like, Are any of my brothers trying to sell your religion? Because we were looking at, like, fox tails and shit, and I was like, Huh, this is interesting, [00:38:00] and then this friend I was with was like, looking for specific, because, like, she was doing witchy things, and then he's like, I don't know if I want to be, I don't know if this is my circus, so, bless, just love, love ya, blessings to love,
Greg: I, uh, I went to a, um, a witch bookshop, about a year and a half ago. A witch bookshop, yeah.
Greg: Witch, yeah, that, that one, yeah. Uh, no, it, unfortunately has since closed down, and I partially blame myself because uh, I only ever bought, two books from there, but my experience was much less remarkable, even though there were all these signs being like, no pictures, please don't do this, don't do that.
Greg: I just went in, I was like, buying books for a friend's birthday. I was like, do you have anything on Jewish magic? And the girl working there, she was just like, yeah, right over there. So I just bought [00:39:00] them. gave her the money and walked out. There was nothing.
Greg: Like, I wish I had a story, but that, that was it. It just was like, oh yeah, I'll give you this book on Jewish magic.
Ben: I would love it if you went in being like, Hey, do you have anything about Jewish magic? And they just gave you a book about David Copperfield.
Jeremy: So, I mean,
Emily: that's really
Jeremy: Ben, I feel like the, the reason you're comparing this to the Star Wars is I think you're just picturing yourself as Lev running a comic bookshop where
Ben: That is exactly what's happening.
Jeremy: somebody has just come in and asked about Deadpool and you're like, no, I don't have a Deadpool comic. Like,
Ben: Yes, yes.
Emily: someone's asking me about, like, they're like, do you like anime, tell me about Goku, and I'm like, I, uh, you
Jeremy: any books about Goku?
Emily: And I'm, I'm like, no, we, we only sell Evangelion here. Anyway, so that brings us back to Lev, is Lev is probably, probably watches Evangelion and [00:40:00] laughs his ass off.
Jeremy: No, Lev, Lev watches Evangelion and tries to explain to the person next to him what's wrong with it, because that's just the kind of guy Lev is, I feel
Ben: He gets upset. He gets upset about the angel names.
Emily: Yeah. I mean, Lev, if you're out there, if you're real and you're out there and this is a thing, please hit me up and explain how Evangelion is wrong. Please. I love it. I,
Jeremy: I'm sure there's a
Emily: it is.
Greg: There, there's, there's no way that person
Ben: I'm just saying, y'all, if there's neon Genesis Evangelion, that implies there's neon Exodus Evangelion.
Emily: Yes.
Ben: And one day Emily and I are gonna make it.
Emily: yes. Absolutely. Well, yes.
Ben: Moses with giant robots.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Tell me when you get to neon Deuteronomy. And just,
Ben: Oh, God, no.
Jeremy: yeah, so, um, yeah, Maja leaves the bookshop pretty quickly this time, but like, she'll be back. She'll, we'll meet Lev [00:41:00] again. There's she's definitely come to the conclusion that there's something wrong with the soup following that, there are then strange noises at night and self lighting candles, it really sounds like somebody is walking around in the house when she is up at night by herself, which I don't know, that flat might make that noise naturally, I, I just feel like it would be real hard to pin down there is now a new demon bowl that has replaced the old one, and that has been joined by a scroll partially tucked into the wall.
Jeremy: If I found a scroll partially tucked into the wall I would do what Lev tells her to do and fucking leave it
Sara Century: Leave it there!
Sara Century: Why are you moving it?
Jeremy: reason it's there.
Emily: Yeah. you go over to somebody's house, first of all, she moves the furniture and then pulls the scroll out. And I'm like, bitch.
Ben: leave that scroll there.
Emily: yeah,
Emily: like, are you gonna
Emily: pick
Jeremy: down bowl under a a davenport, you think, Oh, that must've fallen down. Let me pick that up and put it, put it up. You know, I'm, I'm trying to be a good house guest. [00:42:00] You see a little piece of scroll tucked into a wall that didn't get there by accident. Somebody isn't shooting scrolls across the room and went, just got lodged in the wall
Ben: It's not a tiny
Ben: little mouse rabbi with his tiny little mouse Torah.
Ben: As adorable as the It's not FIFL!
Emily: well, even, like, I probably would look at the scroll, and then I would like, you know, if I see something, I will say something and be like, hey, um, my bad.
Emily: I fucked up real bad and I moved the scroll. Especially after, breaking the fucking bowl.
Sara Century: Maja's kind of shady, honestly.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Maya
Sara Century: kind of comes through.
Ben: like, If she Anytime she's startled, just drops things. Bowls, chips, I don't know what that is, peanut butter chips? I wanna fuckin try those.
Emily: Yeah, they're peanut butter chips. And she, uh,
Sara Century: She's like, ah!
Emily: then, yeah, she sees that they're peanut butter puffs or whatever.
Greg: if I recall, they're the, [00:43:00] they're a, uh, kosher snack. called Bomboms, which, I don't know if you're familiar with them, Ben they were at the Jewish Y I grew up off and going to, and, uh, I never really developed a taste for them personally.
Ben: my, my trip to the Hebrew school canteen was always, uh, sour cream and onion potato chips, powdered doughnuts, and an Arizona iced tea. And then I'd run off to Hebrew school to learn about why Jonah got eaten by a whale slash fish, depending on which teacher was telling the story that day.
Emily: but why though? Like why did he got yeet?
Ben: Oh, cause God was like, hey, I need you to go to this city and tell them I hate them. And Jonah was like, no, they're gonna kick the shit out of me, I don't want to. So he ran away and God was like, you fucking, you better go fucking dead, go to that city. So, God just started fucking with him and ruining his [00:44:00] life until Jonah went to the city and delivered God's note.
Jeremy: and he threw him
Greg: Yeah. Well, the note wasn't just that God hates them. It wasn't that God hates them, it was that God was going to kill them all because they were such an evil city.
Ben: Yeah, I mean, if you're on God's shit list, yeah, and
Emily: You might as well just give up,
Ben: it wasn't enough for God to just destroy the city he hated, he really needed this one specific guy to go there first and tell them.
Emily: It
Ben: a It's one of the It's one of the pettiest stories and I love it so much. It's so funny. And then even when he does, God just keeps fucking with him.
Emily: I, yeah, when we talk about the Witch of Endor, I did do some research into the Witch of Endor, which were, you know. Um, spoilers?
Ben: had not I have to be honest, I had never heard of the Witch of Endor before, and when I first heard it I'm like, Jewish Ewoks.
Emily: That's what they call the C3P Um, no, for real though, [00:45:00] yeah, the Endor, yeah, um,
Ben: went through me.
Greg: C3 po is definitely Jewish coded
Ben: That's why Joan Rivers played him in Spaceballs.
Emily: that's right, holy shit,
Ben: Yeah, it's fuc yeah, Joan Rivers is fucking incredible in that movie.
Emily: yeah, I remember that the virginity alarm,
Ben: Yeah.
Jeremy: Do you think that rabbinic that mice rabbis have different names for God than human rabbis? Just, I'm just throwing that out there. We, talking about the mice rabbis putting scrolls in the walls early. I'm just.
Emily: yeah,
Ben: I,
Ben: need to consult on American Tail 2 Fiefel Goes West to find out.
Emily: yeah, it's the, uh, historical record of American Tales 2.
Jeremy: Anyway, so, uh, she, uh, Maja takes this scroll she's taken out of the wall to the bookstore to show Lev, and Lev's like, yeah, you probably should leave that there. And
Ben: amount of times that you can [00:46:00] just see the words Oy Vey on Lev's face. This
Jeremy: out the book that he wasn't going to show her previously. He has learned who she is and why she's there at this point. Uh, and so he decides to just show her the page on golems and let her discover the page about dybbuks and the page about the Witch of Endor by herself. Because those are the ones that are actually relevant to her situation.
Jeremy: He's like, have you ever heard of the golem? Have you ever turned a page before? Do you want to do that now? Oh, look, it's something about a dybbuk. And she's like, so, like, they're ghosts.
Sara Century: They're
Jeremy: And he's like, no, they're not. Ed explains to her what a dybbuk is, that it's a soul that attaches itself to another soul and can possess a person and won't let them go.
Jeremy: It's very difficult to get rid of. And she's like, like, you mean a ghost, but that's definitely a
Ben: was so fucking funny. I love that scene.
Emily: Yeah.
Emily: here's a [00:47:00] ball. Why don't you bounce it?
Jeremy: Yeah.
Ben: Very much my boss just sending something back and being like, There's a typo. Are you gonna tell me where it is? No, you find it.
Jeremy: this is fine. It could be her. I think it's nice that he's fond of her. He's kind of kidding with her and stuff. It's nice.
Ben: Oh, yeah. No, they have a great dynamic I really enjoy like anytime they're together. The movie Is a wonderful delight. I mean like the movie is never not good. It's a fucking Amazing movie from start to finish.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Greg: Not scary though, whi, which is not a complaint, but I do think. is worth noting?
Ben: I don't know.
Sara Century: I
Sara Century: was scared.
Ben: it it was yeah, it wasn't Vi. It wasn't violent But the creep factor, I mean, some of Leah's, like, the sleepwalking,
Jeremy: we'll talk about
Ben: the riot,
Jeremy: couple of
Ben: yeah,
Jeremy: is not, that comes down largely to the acting, but [00:48:00] we'll get to that when we
Jeremy: get
Ben: great acting.
Jeremy: Yeah, there's more, there's more creaking. Uh, Maja is, thwarted in her, uh, attempt to get laid by random creaking around the house. She doesn't like doesn't like ghosts watching them while they fuck.
Jeremy: That's not, she's not into that. And eventually that results in, uh, Leah just getting frustrated and calling it off. Maja ends
Ben: Leah does not mind fucking in front of ghosts.
Jeremy: she's fine with it.
Emily: you know what?
Jeremy: she's been fucking with her mom downstairs at this point for, who knows how long. So,
Ben: Yeah, what, what, can ghosts do in the face of a Jewish mother?
Emily: Exactly like if I was the devil I'd be like no way am I Absolutely not if it's like could be like that fucking key and peel
Ben: And we don't even have that, except for in Job, where he randomly shows up out of nowhere.
Emily: Yeah, it may have been like somebody fucking with the original text
Ben: I was absolutely fucking with the original text.
Jeremy: so at [00:49:00] this point, uh, Lev decides to give Maja his monster manual, um, and, and she she of course has all the good sense to just leave it sitting around on the coffee table.
Ben: God, it's like in the Thor movie when they go to the library and she's like, Oh, here's the big book of Norse myths for us to use as reference for the movie.
Jeremy: yeah. So my, he also tells her, to his credit, he's like, Chana's dealing with a lot. Like, it's not that she's, It's not that she doesn't like you, at least not for the reasons you think, she's just like, dealing with a lot of shit. She's got a lot going on. You should try and help her. Like, you might be able to help her.
Jeremy: I can't help her. Leah definitely can't help her. I'm not telling you why Leah can't help her, there's a reason though. But this might be something that, you know, maybe you can do. To her credit, Maja tries to. Chana Uh, is not, not willing to really take it up. Finally she like, she kind of snaps on Chana and like, [00:50:00] Gives her a whole like, I'm fucking trying and you're being terrible and you're, you're making everything awful.
Jeremy: And like, why are you like this? And just spits at her. I don't know how much part of like this, uh, this whole routine that normally is. And finally Kahn is like, let's have a beer together. Yeah. She pulls out a couple of Stellas
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: there's a strange dynamic between Maja and Chana in their, like, their apart in that it's very much Chana is this very observant religious Jewish woman Maja is a Christmas elf, but they're both Danish and they share a common language that only they share in the movie. So it's this very.
Ben: It's this very strange where there's a huge amount of culture clash, but also they have a [00:51:00] common culture that nobody else has.
Jeremy: yeah, they also
Sara Century: to each other whenever Lea can't hear them, right? Like, or Lea doesn't understand them when they are arguing at that one, in that one scene, and I thought that was because I forgot about that as a plot, and then I was, I was like oh, she doesn't understand what she's saying.
Emily: yeah, even though in the very beginning she's like, Oh, I forgot to tell that you, uh, understand Danish and the mom was like, Oh, I don't say, I don't talk Danish or I don't speak Danish around Leah because it's rude. And she keeps like, she immediately starts doing it.
Greg: worth worth noting that this is a Danish film, this is a Danish production so one can assume perhaps that Danish people might be like the most prominent audience for this. I don't know how true that necessarily is. is what's definitely coming at the film from a Danish perspective.[00:52:00]
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: mean, a lot of it is in English. Like, there's a good chunk in Danish. they do an interesting job of, like, switching back and forth between languages as they're going through and subtitling things and, you know.
Greg: It all feels pretty natural. It doesn't feel like mere narrative convenience that so much of the movie is in English.
Jeremy: yeah, this, scene to me, this drink between, uh, Maja and Chana is really interesting because, like, they really start to bond for a minute and it's clear that, like, they're both realizing that they both really love Leah and they care about what's best for her. I mean, Maja sort of lays it out on the table that, like, She was in a bad place.
Jeremy: Her mom was dead. She was living in her mom's, her dead mom's apartment. She didn't have a job. She didn't have anything going for her. Her friends had all like moved on and gotten married and like were not around for her. And then, you know, she met Leah and like, She kind of [00:53:00] hyper fixated on Leah, you know, she really head over heels, but also it was like really wanting to take care of Leah, especially after Leah got hurt.
Jeremy: And she continues to prattle on into telling Chana that, um, she's really looking forward to Leah being better so that they can move away from here together. And,
Ben: was a mistake.
Jeremy: and even if there was not a Dippic involved, dumb fucking move, like, you're trying to get on your, you're trying to get on your, you know, your girlfriend's mom's bad side, being like, I can't wait till she's better so I can take her away from you is like, maybe not the way to go.
Jeremy: I
Emily: Oops a daisy.
Jeremy: love everything about her, except that we're here with you. I could change that, though, and everything would be great.
Emily: Oh, Maja.
Jeremy: Yeah, so, uh, suddenly things are not going so good with Chana. She doesn't want to hang out with Maja anymore. Maja [00:54:00] ends up sneaking into Chana's flat to Uh, after Chana, like, discovers the book that Lev has given her, and gives Lev a good old fashioned over the phone cursing out, and, uh, it's just like, I'm bringing you this fucking book back, and, uh, Maja's like, alright, this is a great chance for me to sneak into her apartment, and, uh, discovers a significant amount of potion making going on in here, There's magic being done.
Jeremy: And, uh, she is, there's a, like a little map of the apartment upstairs with little points throughout it, but she doesn't ask enough questions about she jumps very quickly to, we have to leave because your mom's a witch rather than like, well, what is she doing? because apparently she doesn't really believe in witchcraft or, Uh, Sorcery or religion or any of that stuff. So she's like, your mom is poisoning you. She's doing horrible things. she is pretty hardheaded on the atheism here. Despite all the things [00:55:00] going on around her. So she, she manages to sneak out without kind of noticing her or noticing her. She, uh, she tries to tell Leah that they need to leave and all the stuff that's going on with the magic and all that.
Jeremy: And Leah doesn't believe her. She doesn't believe that she's poisoning her soup. They have an argument and Maja is again dismissed while Chana goes to give her goes to give Leah a massage. They have Chana at her scariest when, Maja says, I'm not scared of you. And Chana just looks her dead in the eye and says, you know that's not true.
Jeremy: I
Ben: fucking ice.
Sara Century: This is my favorite character. I loved her through the whole
Sara Century: movie.
Ben: it with that line.
Sara Century: Yeah, yeah,
Jeremy: was expecting a, you should be, or that's dumb of you, and she just says, you know, you are.
Sara Century: Oh my god, it's so
Sara Century: good
Ben: exactly what I was expecting too, Jeremy, and what she said was so much better.
Sara Century: was so good. Oh, that's like one of the best [00:56:00] that's a that's an all timer.
Emily: Yeah, I was expecting the little sunglasses to drop
Sara Century: Oh, yeah
Emily: her
Ben: It's also a case of me yelling at the screen like, FUCKIN COMMUNICATE!
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Jeremy: that's just getting it worse though, because Maja, uh, at the last minute decided she's not going to go for a walk. She's going to go back and straighten this out. And what she sees instead is, uh, that this this massage. involves both chanting in presumably Yiddish or I guess Hebrew.
Jeremy: I guess probably Hebrew in this case. Um,
Ben: honestly not sure on that
Jeremy: yeah. And then, uh, her finishing that up, finishing up this massage and chanting by snapping snapping her Leah's leg again messing up her knee. And so, uh, that really just. really just sets all this in place for for Maja that she has to figure out how to get out of this.
Jeremy: she decides to go see Lev about it, and Lev is like, you know what, fuck, forget everything I told [00:57:00] you before, just get the fuck out, just run as fast and as far as you can, because you don't want, you don't want to be here, like, this, you don't want to fuck with this woman. Um, Yeah, forget what, forget everything I said previous to this, uh, run fast and far
Emily: Fly, you fools!
Jeremy: yeah, uh, instead Maja decides that the best way to do this is to take advantage of her own allergy, and when Chana cooks or something, frame Chana for, uh, putting, putting peanuts into it,
Ben: Okay, that's, it's fuckin psychotic. Or, okay, maybe I shouldn't use that word so glibly, uh, it is unhinged there we go but you know what, that's the level of fucking balls to the walls unhinged. That you have to do to if you're gonna compete with Chana in this fucking movie it ends up being completely the wrong call.
Ben: But that she gave herself a deadly [00:58:00] allergic reaction? Fucking like, again, that's the level of cray cray you got to be bringing to this competition.
Emily: That's true. I mean, sad but true. You know, don't try this at home, but like, that's your rough buddy.
Ben: Yeah, I think, I think that's where I'm landing is that I shouldn't use psychotic glibly, but cray cray is okay to use.
Emily: Cray Cray's okay.
Ben: I just, if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me. I, I'm trying my best.
Jeremy: she
Greg: Well, Cray Cray is a medical condition, as you know. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Jeremy: Well, she is, she is attempting to
Ben: is suffering from an acute case of the cray cray.
Jeremy: she is attempting to frame her girlfriend's mother for attempted homicide
Ben: Damn that cray cray.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Emily: that's,
Jeremy: that's wild. Um, that is a wild decision.
Ben: I respect it, though. Respect the hell out of it. It fucking, you cannot argue with the results.
Jeremy: and the fact that, like, it takes, Chana is [00:59:00] so taken off Like, it's so surprised by this that like, it takes her a minute to figure out what the fuck happened, because she's like, I definitely didn't put peanuts in that, like, oh, but you know, then they, Leah uncovers and there are peanuts in there, and she's like, oh, fuck, like,
Sara Century: part is so good I was dying
Ben: real, like, thriller stuff.
Emily: Yeah. These, this was some
Emily: serious,
Ben: genre, not the Michael
Greg: I
Greg: felt bad
Jeremy: camera and her eyes are yellow.
Greg: I felt really bad for Chana just in the way that, like, she has been thoroughly convinced that she actually do that accidentally somehow.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Sara Century: an agonizing scene. And she's like, we'll talk tomorrow. Okay, right. Okay. All right. Well, we should all calm down. Bye. And you're
Sara Century: like,
Jeremy: a tactical retreat,
Ben: We'll
Sara Century: Oh, so
Emily: sure does.
Ben: I, I
Sara Century: Because her,
Ben: us that we'll talk [01:00:00] tomorrow. That
Sara Century: something at the wall, isn't it? A plate at the wall, which is a very intense moment. And she's like, bye,
Ben: scene, I find Marissa's scene interesting, cause when you have the full context of the movie, and you have Chana's reaction, and you know what, the stakes are, of Leah being taken away, you And you can see that Chana feels in this moment that she's it is very heartbreaking in the full context, but then you have this scene, like, in the context of how it plays out where Chana is drugging her daughter and breaking her leg in order to like, keep her like, confined and isolated.
Ben: It's like, at that point in the movie, it does seem like it is this battle of minds and wills between Chana and and Maia. And there is this sense of like, damn, Maia [01:01:00] took it to the next level that she had to, to win. Like, there's this weird sense of in the moment, siding with Maia, but in the greater context, siding with Chana.
Ben: This
Emily: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's complicated.
Jeremy: Yeah, and then we will find out how
Ben: fuckin this movie fuckin
Jeremy: pretty quickly, Because like, Leah is full on convinced to the point that she takes off her protective necklace that her mother has told her never to take off, and then they go hang out in a house in the woods where they live now, I guess. It's, they're not gone long before Leah starts acting weird. She, you know, has some more of those mini seizures that we saw her having at the beginning of the movie when they were, when she was staying at Maja's place. Not the full on leg breaking kind, but the like, in her sleep, you know, head twitching kind.
Jeremy: And she is looking pretty rough, and she's got some unexplained swelling around the belly area. And then she eats a cat. She does that off panel, or off screen, not
Emily: tough battle.
Jeremy: She does that off [01:02:00] screen. She is, she's having some, some serious episodes Maja decides to, uh, decides to call up Lev to, like, try and figure out what's going on here.
Jeremy: And she goes and meets Lev out in the middle of the forest. This is Lev's
Ben: It's the best scene. It's it's the funniest fuckin scene.
Jeremy: where Lev's like, Why are we meeting in the middle of the fucking forest? And she's like, Well, I didn't want her to know that you guys were here. And he's like, Why not a parking lot? Why not, like, anywhere but here? Like,
Ben: Oh, God, when she's like, you live in the woods? He's like, no, I have a house. He's like, then why are we not meeting there?
Jeremy: yeah, he's And it makes even more sense when you realize that he is rolled in with all the homies at this point. Like, Chana shows up and is with him and Maia is very much like, I told you not to bring Chana. And he's like, ah, listen, there's good reason that she is with me. You know, it turns out that Leah has [01:03:00] had, Leah has a Dybbuk and has had a Dybbuk for some time.
Jeremy: She accidentally As a kid, seems to have killed the neighbor girl and who she was playing with in an accident. This is who we see Chana, like, leaning over in the flashbacks when she's trying to get somebody to wake up. It's, you know, this little neighbor girl who is Straight up dead. And, uh, we see that Leah is having very similar, like, convulsions in the background to what we've seen recently.
Ben: the guys that, you know, uh, Lev rolled up with to help with the ceremony, the Kabbalah, the team Kabbalah, the, the Cobb Squad, if you will,
Jeremy: Hall and Oates. Like,
Ben: yes. Do you think they took separate cars or were they all just crammed into one?
Emily: If I
Emily: learned anything from Darren Aronofsky is that rabbis they travel together in packs. And if you know the name of God, they will kidnap you.
Maja [01:04:00] is like, uh, why didn't you tell me about this, Ed? And is like, I didn't even fucking tell her about it. So, Leah does not know that she has, uh, had a Dybbuk in her body the whole
Sara Century: explains her personality so much that like, she just didn't know and everybody's doing stuff around her to help her not know about it.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: Yeah, the whole neighborhood, the whole neighborhood knows, the whole G D squad, um,
Ben: really wish
Jeremy: is familiar.
Ben: The scene that isn't in the movie, but had to have happened, I really wish we could have gotten Lev's reaction of realizing Maja just fucking ditched him and ran off, and then he
Sara Century: Ha ha
Ben: in the car, and explain what happened to all the guys, and then they're just driving around, they don't believe there's a house, he keeps going, she said they have a house around
Jeremy: Like, they were actually only two minutes away, but Lev busted out a whole, like, 10 minute speech about this and made them all wait until he was done [01:05:00] processing.
Greg: I like that in the middle of the woods, like, Like, she had to have, there had to have been a conversation where she was like, okay, you take this trail, you follow these markers, and then like, I'll meet you at the 12th purple marker or whatever. But it really looks like they're not even on a trail. It looks like she just was like, go to the woods, I'll meet you there.
Emily: there's a cups of
Ben: definitely what it was.
Emily: Uh, about, a little while from the road and, just follow your nose.
Jeremy: Yeah, so, um, while all this is going on an old lady has come to the house looking for her missing cat, and, uh, Leah is there, not creepily at all, brushing her hair. Definitely brushing her hair a normal amount in a normal way.
Sara Century: Some of it's coming out though.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Jeremy: and she does look like she is pregnant with dead cat at this point.
Jeremy: [01:06:00] And, uh, the woman almost gets out alive until like, she's, she starts to leave and, uh, Leah's like, Oh, I've seen your cat. And then like, that's where we, that's where we cut. Maja on the other hand has been like, all right, I totally believe all this dybbuk stuff. Absolutely. You guys come meet me at the cabin.
Jeremy: I'll show you the way. We'll, we'll meet back at your car and then go from there. Jumps on her bike and ditches Ditches everybody else. It's decided that they gotta go. All this dybbuk stuff clearly just proves that everybody is crazy. But, she finds Leah having gone full dybbuk upstairs.
Jeremy: She is this is the scary part of the movie.
Ben: dybbuk just fucking loves brushing their hair. At first the creepy brushing is creepy, but then the dybbuk just keeps fucking brushing their hair for like the next three times we see.
Greg: there's something almost endearing about the fact that the Dybbuk is like, look, I [01:07:00] might be an evil spirit possessing this
Sara Century: I gotta
Greg: person's body, but, you know, she's got, let me just enjoy having hair in this corporeal,
Ben: Hair, beautiful hair. Sorry.
Jeremy: All I can figure is the last time The Dybbuk was out. It was just like the height of My Little Pony. They were just, hair brushing abounds as a form of entertainment. So, yeah, um,
Ben: does the dybbuk want? Like, damn, like the dybbuk was hinting all this time, if Lev had just brushed the dybbuk's hair, they would have gotten away and like nobody would have died.
Jeremy: yeah, so, things go bad. The dybbuk has Maja basically, like, pinned down. She's standing over her ready to, uh, ready for murder. When Lev rolls in with the homies, Uh, he shouts something that causes the dybbuk to freeze, Leah can't move, and, uh, Lev and his Miss Maja, if you would move, like, slide toward me, is very funny to me, and like, in the [01:08:00] moment, he seems genuinely irritated with her still for having ditched him.
Jeremy: They decide they're gonna set up A whole ritual to try and get rid of the Dybbuk but uh, they've had to jump it up another level, so, uh, Leah's gonna be in this circle in the salt, and, uh, they're gonna put her in there with a, a soul eater, basically, as sort of a last resort, so if they can't convince the Dybbuk to fuck off they're going to have this thing eat the dybbuk and, you know, they're like, once it starts, it can't stop.
Jeremy: This, if, you know, we, if it can't find something in the circle, then it's gonna eat us all. So, like, no fucking around with this one. But, first, they're gonna try reasoning with the dybbuk. And this dybbuk, He's a real shithead. Uh, the Dybbuk is funny to me. The
Sara Century: rude.
Jeremy: yeah, the Dybbuk is
Ben: got some Joker energy.
Jeremy: the Dybbuk is [01:09:00] real excited to see Chana, because he's like, Chana is my favorite person.
Jeremy: I've been torturing her for decades. Like, this is great. I'm so glad that I get to fuck with you again. Maja, you're new, but I'll be equally happy to fuck with you. and Lev, what the fuck do you think you're going to do, man? Um, the dybbuk is very like, the point where it stands up and it sees the situation that it's in and it goes, Oh, let me think about this.
Jeremy: Lev is like, give me your arm. And the dybbuk's like, I'm thinking about it. Hold on. Like, I gotta, I've got to reason out what I'm going to do.
Ben: dybbuk had to figure out how to pull an Uno reverse on Lev.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah. The dybbuk goes full uncooperative to the point that. Uh, you know, he tries to, tries to get to Lev, and Lev is like, Alright, start the chanting! And so they, they begin the process of, of summoning this soul eater to get rid of the dybbuk. And the dybbuk's like, You know [01:10:00] what would be funny? If I did leave her now that you've started this ritual.
Jeremy: I would just fuck off and be gone and then you would kill the girl that you've been trying to protect for like decades. That would be hilarious, wouldn't it? and so the Dybbuk fucks off. She coughs up a cloud of black mist and suddenly it's Leah in the middle like, what the fuck's going on guys?
Jeremy: Realizing now that like She doesn't even know that she's had a Dybbuk inside of her all this time. She is just like, this is real weird. My, my mom and my uncle and my girlfriend and a bunch of rabbis are here just chanting in this attic that I'm in. I don't know what this is about. And so like this, this cannot be stopped because everyone will die if it stops.
Jeremy: So, they keep going. the only way for this to work is if somebody is in the circle and, uh, Chana decides to go over and hug Leah and picks her up and takes [01:11:00] her out of the circle and goes into the circle herself. Offering herself to uh, get sucked, sucked up by this soul sucker. Chana gets devoured and Maja, uh, Leah is just conscious enough of what's going on to be fucked up about her mom getting devoured and, uh, that's sort of where we leave that situation. We, we jump forward a bit to, Maja and Leah are getting ready to, to move out of their old flats.
Jeremy: Maja has packed things up because Leah didn't really want to go in and handle her dead mom stuff. She wasn't ready for it yet. She's still dealing with learning that she had been possessed by a demon for 20 years and nobody told her. She's got some issues. But, uh, you know, they're getting ready to move out.
Jeremy: There's some, you know, flirty playing. They're in a pretty good spot. But we learned that, uh, We see that Leah has well, Leah is sort of blissfully ignorant. She asks Maja, like, are they still in danger? And Maja's like, no, everything's fine. It's great. [01:12:00] Uh, everything's taken care of. And then we see that, like, Maja doesn't believe that at all.
Jeremy: She has, uh, scooped up the demon jars and the various salts and powders and stuff from from Chana's room and
Sara Century: She's become her mom. It's so intense.
Jeremy: Yeah. At the very least, She has grown to respect the culture that she has, dove into here.
Ben: There's a few different ways of interpreting it. I think most generously is yours, Jeremy. Where it's like, you know, it is better safe than sorry. It is Maja embracing Judaism. I mean, there was that great moment where, like, we really saw where she put a lot of effort into, I mean before, I mean granted it was all a trap to poison herself with peanuts, but it was nice seeing her learn the prayers, and like get ready for like Shabbat,
Sara Century: That mutual intensity though with them, I think is like, I was like, Oh my God. Yeah.
Greg: that in, [01:13:00] like, a year or two after they continue, living with each other that Maja eventually converts to Judaism because she had seen firsthand in a way that none of
Greg: us ever will.
Ben: proof that Judaism is the correct religion!
Greg: Yes.
Emily: Or at least is really great at getting rid of demons.
Ben: made salt glow!
Emily: Yeah. You guys, I mean, like, if there was a magic, this is it, like, this is the magic she saw. So like, there we go.
Ben: Like if I would, like, Again, if I saw all this shit, I would convert to whatever religion I had just seen objective proof of.
Emily: I would at least like, honor it,
Jeremy: I don't know,
Ben: think the least charitable way of interpreting the ending is, Oh no, poor Leah, she's just dating her mom now.
Sara Century: No, I think that's awesome. Like, I think it's actually really cool because she needs it. It's like, it's so obvious. She's been raised in this [01:14:00] totally weird way. So it's like having someone who will just make sure that all of the spells and potions are placed around really helps her himbo energy, like, shine, right?
Emily: Well, I feel like the mom. Yeah, I have some, I have some opinions and I think I'm going to go into my opinions now, since we're done with the recap.
Jeremy: let's go,
Emily: Thank you, Jeremy, for, for your blessing. So a lot of this movie had a very, very prominent narrative about abuse and. The whole thing with the mom keeping her daughter naive of all of these things going on.
Emily: And, you know, otherwise accepting that she was just abusing her daughter and that being the narrative as, as far as. Leah was concerned, and so it was weird to me her abusive tendencies [01:15:00] on the surface seemed to be justified.
Emily: Like, there was a way to interpret that as her proving that she had to do all these things. Now, did she have to keep Leah in? In ignorance? No. And I feel like that was the most abusive thing that she did.
Ben: I think where it really potentially crosses the line really is the leg breaking. That like, You are breaking your daughter's leg over and over again to avoid telling her she's possessed by a demon.
Emily: Yeah, and that's, I mean, like, that is pretty unreasonable. Like, I'm sure magic exists and demons exist and all this kind of
Ben: There's an aversion to communication and then there's being so averse to communicating that you, again, break your daughter's leg on a daily basis.
Emily: The way that the book is shown as this, like, burden, you know, there's a lot of metaphor you can read into that, whether it be, illness or [01:16:00] trauma or anything inherited because it's something that she. Has definitely inherited that layers inherited. Especially with the hair, because the mom is wearing a wig, and so I feel like there's this whole other thing going on where the mom is dealing with her own, like unspoken things going on.
Greg: You mentioned, uh, that, uh, Chana, uh, wears a wig. I think that's really notable because as some of you may know, uh, traditionally Orthodox women, after they get married, they cover their hair. Many of them wear wigs. And it appears that, Chana. Still seems to be honoring that tradition, even though her husband is Long gone.
Emily: I didn't know that actually, about, like, I didn't know that detail, so thank you
Greg: yeah, yeah, pretty much all Orthodox women, uh, do that. Uh, but, but again, it's like, [01:17:00] it's, you don't necessarily notice it because, a good wig is pretty convincing. Um,
Jeremy: a good wig is something that Chana does not have.
Sara Century: She looks pretty good though, I
Jeremy: Throughout the first half of the movie, Alicia was like, Why do they keep putting her in that bad wig? And then, they acknowledge it was a wig, and she was like, Oh, thank God. it is not a good wig. But, it's probably realistic to her situation.
Emily: Yeah, I just picked up on that because of the, how later the Dybbuk was so preoccupied with the hair. That there was some sort of through line there.
Ben: Ooh, that's a good observ that's a good observation, yeah.
Greg: There might be something there. Yeah.
Emily: but I mean, it could also be cultural as the significance of having hair unbound having hair brushed straight, things like that.
Greg: there is a lot of stuff, and I will again preface this by saying I'm not a rabbi. take this all with a [01:18:00] big, protective grain of salt. But there is a lot in Judaism about, the power of hair. Particularly women's hair, because, you know, that's something that a lot of men are
Ben: whole Samson shit going on.
Emily: Yeah.
Greg: and Samson's story, he derived his power from his hair. And Lost it when it was removed. Uh, so, I'm not the person to do like, a deep dive in this, but it's definitely something, uh, worth considering when analyzing this movie.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: yeah, I do also wonder with the hair stuff, like, demons are generally noted for vanity and pride, so if it's just a, like, you know, her brushing her pretty, pretty hair situation. So I think that is, like, that is something that goes, I think, across the board in mythology around, like, Satan in particular, that [01:19:00] Satan's very, pride is Satan's thing.
Jeremy: or I guess Lucifer's thing, say,
Emily: The, the Satan, Satan's the adversary.
Ben: yeah, I believe Satan is just the word for adversary.
Emily: Yeah.
Greg: it's the Hebrew word for adversary, and again, not a rabbi. But my understanding of the Jewish view of Satan is that it's not that he's, like, the opposite sick. evil god. It's that he's basically God's prosecuting attorney.
Emily: Yes.
Ben: Yeah,
Greg: you still don't want to be on his bad side.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: as we saw in, uh, I forget the name of it. Christopher Walken does angel stuff. Uh, the whole idea,
Ben: yes, the whole idea that like, like anytime God sent in an angel to do anything, shit's about to get fucked.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Or we're gonna get a [01:20:00] wrestling match, like that one time. That was pretty cool.
Jeremy: or, or the, uh, the Los Angeles Angels are gonna have a great season.
Ben: Fuckin who was that? Was that J That was Jacob who wrestled the Angel and we got a big WWE match out of
Ben: it.
Emily: That's right.
Ben: and then he got the
Ben: belt.
Greg: the one who, uh, wrestled with God. Like, literally wrestled.
Ben: that shit's badass.
Emily: Yeah. Good for him.
Jeremy: Let's talk about the queer relationship in this. How do we feel like it's handled? How do we feel like This movie succeeds or fails, uh, when it comes to dealing with queer
Ben: them. I thought they were wonderful.
Sara Century: Uh, whenever you said that it's not scary, I realized the reason that I think this is scary as a lesbian is, is that I don't want to be in this situation. So I was thinking about it and just being like, why do I think this is so tense and so terrifying? And it's just like, because like, you hauling is a great fear that I have.
Sara Century: And [01:21:00] so watching this character, you haul and guess how wrong it goes. It goes. So wrong. She shows up and she's like, oh no, this is the tensest situation I could possibly show up in. That's my nightmare for sure. And the whole time just being like, where's it cool for me to smoke weed? Like this? Just whole, the whole vibe just made me be like, okay, I don't know.
Sara Century: I don't know. I dunno. And then the whole time, I'm at the edge of my seat, but I liked their relationship. I thought that it was a good relationship. They're super cute at the beginning. It's ridiculous how cute they are. That, uh, the beginning scene in the bookstore, God, it's so cute. That, that scene at well
Sara Century: shot.
Jeremy: that scene at Maja's apartment after the bookshop, where they, they start with the getting closer to each other?
Ben: Oh
Sara Century: my God. Yeah. And their charisma is like this, like they're really good together. These actors just nail it.
Greg: oh sorry,
Ben: in terms of scariness, I, I didn't show it to my [01:22:00] partner, but I think she would also feel a great bit of terror and unease at a movie about dealing with your very judgmental Jewish in law.
Greg: I think the romance uh, was so charming, and I think part of what made it work is that it's presented pretty matter of factly. Like, sometimes, you know, whether it's a queer thing or any other kind of, like, theme that a movie might explore, you can kind of almost feel like the writer, like, patting themselves on the back, like, yeah, we're so progressive.
Greg: And this movie doesn't do that. It just, it presents it as like, look, they're, lesbians, they're in love, nobody gives them a hard time about it in this community, and you as the viewer should just Accept it as it is.
Emily: yeah. It's, it is truly genuine representation. Like, it's not, there's not to, there's not token representation. It [01:23:00] is truly it is genuine and it is, um, not out overstated.
Ben: and just from a pure romance angle, like, I was rooting for them. I wanted to see them make it, stay together at the end.
Emily: Yeah.
Sara Century: The hyper serious one who's taking care of everything. And then the fuck boy, that's the relationship. It's pretty fun.
Jeremy: I like the, like, I like the dichotomy
Ben: Oh, Maya's the ones keeping that shit on
Jeremy: I love the dichotomy that Maja is the one holding everything together. She's also the, like, unemployed actress with, you know, lives near her dead mom's flat. Like, she's the one whose life is falling apart and she's the one keeping everything together.
Jeremy: Whereas, like, Maja is, you know, this, super intelligent, scholar who is, like, out, out studying all this, stuff is very, it's very obviously smart but obviously has no, like, survival skills.
Emily: Yeah, and it's, the way that they're living situations are represented, though, like, if we're going to talk about [01:24:00] class. . They have these particular. Like, the property and everything is all about, what their parents had or what their parents have, and that is also very matter of fact, like, it's, it feels very genuine.
Emily: The conversations that they have about that, because, that's something that's really hard to be a stigma anymore, because it's so necessary to rely on, for property to rely on your parents, or, extended family.
Greg: if you're in your 20s or 30s and you have an apartment that nice, in 2024, if you're gonna put a movie out, or 2022, whenever this movie comes out, uh, that deserves an explanation.
Sara Century: Whenever Maja had that apartment though and was like, Oh yeah, I just hang out by myself and just have all of this time and hang out at this apartment alone. I was like, why is that my dream life? Like, that's so cool.
Jeremy: Depression sounds great!
Sara Century: I mean, depression is like, not so [01:25:00] bad, right? You just get a cat.
Ben: it where it's like, look, the show did well enough that I bought this apartment and I'm just kind of living off the old show money.
Emily: but still have a few questions and maybe this is a Denmark thing about that weird shower tube in the kitchen.
Greg: what was up with that?
Emily: I feel like that's some weird Scandinavian design shit because no one said anything about it. But that's still wild as fuck. Like, I
Jeremy: I love the scene of her, like, in the shower sniffing the bacon from the stove. Like,
Emily: yeah,
Jeremy: the closeness of that and the,
Greg: do you think she ate the bacon?
Greg: My, my headcanon is she didn't.
Emily: Yeah,
Emily: I don't I don't think
Ben: the bacon. I've known people that did that where like, oh, I don't eat bacon, but like, damn, I sure do love the smell of it though.
Jeremy: I think she Maja eat it and then made out with
Jeremy: her. Yeah,
Jeremy: You know, it's [01:26:00] just,
Jeremy: it's second
Sara Century: I'm out.
Emily: Oh, yeah, I
Sara Century: goodbye! I'm Oh, I guess it's her apartment. No, no, wait, no, I would leave. I would leave.
Emily: Yeah, I'd
Emily: be like,
Ben: we lost Sarah at the meat play.
Jeremy: And she's, she's clearly not a vegan though. Leah
Sara Century: I was screaming.
Jeremy: into
Sara Century: just like,
Jeremy: just not
Sara Century: smelling the bacon and then making out. Oh god.
Sara Century: Yeah, nobody is vegetarian in
Ben: that is the most straight man thing in the whole fucking
Sara Century: I know! I was like, I get it. You're a himbo. I got it. Oh, man. Oh, no. All right.
Jeremy: So are you, Sarah, are you anti even the smell of bacon then? Is
Sara Century: Oh, yeah, my brother, I live with my brother and he's, he makes a whole to do about how he cannot cook bacon in this house because I
Sara Century: I live on one floor, and then there's another vegetarian on the other floor, and we're all just like, it, like, [01:27:00] permeates the house, don't do it, and he's always just like, sadly, like, looking at packs of bacon at the grocery store.
Jeremy: Yeah, I, that's a smell that I love even when I don't particularly want bacon. Like, it's just, it's like, my wife is that way with coffee. Like, she has no interest in drinking coffee, but she does like to smell it sometimes.
Sara Century: That's how he is, yeah, he likes co er, he likes the smell of coffee, but doesn't drink coffee, but I drink coffee. But no, no with the bacon. He gets, he gets severely judged if he drinks bacon in this house, or eats bacon.
Sara Century: Drinking bacon would be worse. That would be worse.
Jeremy: I would also judge him if he drank
Sara Century: throw that in the blender and we're out.
Jeremy: make a breakfast smoothie.
Jeremy: Um,
Sara Century: Oof.
Jeremy: a bacon, egg, and cheese smoothie.
Sara Century: Oh god.
Jeremy: Uh, yeah, so yeah, the class stuff is interesting. I think that we, we get a lot of that sort of acknowledged, even though it's not like a plot point. It's like very much present.
Jeremy: [01:28:00] It's very much like, she does ask, you don't have a job. How do you live here? And that is like, it's clear. I think that the writer director is of the same generation as, us and these characters and everything that like, that is a question that is, is brought up and thought to be asked.
Jeremy: Um, I, well, I guess the big one we haven't dealt with is, do we feel like this movie is feminist?
Emily: Yeah, absolutely.
Ben: so.
Emily: Yeah. Um, especially in the, the woman's wrongs, aspect. I also think the fact that the dad is a non entity. I feel like that is, a more subtle feminist aspect of the narrative because no one gives a shit.
Jeremy: Yeah, this is not like the Glass Menagerie where the dad isn't there, but he's the most important character. Like, this is like, no, he's not there. It
Greg: he does not matter. He is not important in any way to the narrative, which is not to say that's what makes the movie feminist, but it is feminist [01:29:00] in the way that like Again, I'm speaking as a straight cis guy here, but, like, women drive the narrative. It's not about the absence of men, it's about the the kind of agency that the women in this movie have.
Sara Century: And the sympathy that there is for them because they're fucking up. They're all not doing the best, you know, there's stuff going awry. And it's like the way that the mom can be my favorite character in the movie, even though, you know, you take a step back and you're like, Ooh, that's pretty rough what you're doing here.
Sara Century: I don't know if I would love that. But you also just see how it's breaking her to do it, like, which is not like a justification, really. I don't feel like she's justifying it. I just think that she's a woman who has been like broken by this. She has had to lie to cover her daughter committing a murder for years.
Sara Century: And it's just like the way [01:30:00] that that has hurt her, I think is making her be a hurtful person in a lot of ways. And, but I was totally with her. I thought that she was so wonderful and that scene at the end where she's just like takes it. It's okay. I was sobbing, like, I sobbed that scene, and then I watched this movie again, and I sobbed again.
Sara Century: It was one of those ones that just hits you, because the performance is so good, and everybody's just like, just like the the not knowing that Leah has, and like, the way that she's given her that almost as a gift, in a way, where she goes, I've protected you from this, it hasn't always been a blessing.
Sara Century: It's amazing. But in a way, it is a gift to you, and then, yeah, it's kind of almost the gift that Maja gives her as well in this weird way. It's, it's not great. I'm not gonna say that that's great, but I think that it's compelling, I guess. I thought that it was interesting, but amongst how the way that they all treated each other.
Emily: But yeah, I mean, I think that the complexity of the mother's character [01:31:00] and the power of that character alone gives this a very, very heavy feminist angle.
Sara Century: She's a single mom!
Emily: yeah, she's a single mom. She has the power. You know, and it's not like, when I first watched it, I was very wary of, like, overbearing Jewish mom stereotypes.
Emily: And there's a lot of, like there's a lot of bobbing and weaving that this movie does with the complexity that the characters have to avoid being really pigeonholed into being a stereotype. Because, go ahead. No, go.
Greg: just think much in the way that this movie shows, like, obviously there are many different ways that women can be women, I think it also, like, in terms of Jewish representation, it shows, I don't know if diversity is the right word, but it does show that, like, [01:32:00] There are many different ways that Judaism can
Greg: look,
Ben: it does a good job expressing that Jew, that the Jewish community isn't a monolith.
Greg: yes, yes, absolutely. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Emily: which is very important.
Ben: It definitely does a good job showing that there are different kinds of Jewish communities. There's different levels of Judaism. That there's different experiences that still fall under the Jewish umbrella. The movie does a very good job. It feels very real.
Greg: Definitely.
Emily: Yeah. Yeah. And again, genuine, like,
Ben: This movie's great. I went in blind, knowing nothing about it other than it was Jewish and gay, and I think it was, it's a fantastic film.
Emily: yeah, I agree. It just, all across the board, you know. Even though there was implied sad cat death,
Ben: Did [01:33:00] not
Sara Century: Um, yeah.
Emily: yeah, but, who knows? Maybe she didn't eat the cat, she just ate the tree. And then the cat ran away because it was like, fuck, there's a dybbuk. The old lady calling the cat her baby, though, I felt was a little bit
Sara Century: I know! Yeah,
Emily: she did die too, so that's where, like, I was, I
Sara Century: Brutal.
Emily: This old lady dying, the pet death is not in any way, like, uh, it's not dismissed. You know, like the tra the trauma of that, it's not dismissed.
Emily: But anyway, it's still, but seriously though, like that Diic has
Emily: some
Sara Century: the shit out of me.
Emily: It scares the shit out of me, and if, if that dibbit can catch a cat and eat it
Sara Century: Mm mm.
Emily: in an afternoon,
Sara Century: Nuh uh. No.
Emily: with nothing left? Even fuckin Little Otick left shit. Like, Little Otick left shit behind. This, like, I don't know how she did it, and, so that's one of the reasons why I'm like, Maybe she didn't [01:34:00] actually eat the cat.
Emily: Maybe she just, like, I don't know maybe she just absorbed the cat. And it's kind of a Dungeon Mesh y situation. Um,
Sara Century: ha.
Jeremy: I just really want to give, like, props to Ellie Kendrick on this, on this, like, this performance. Especially on the, the possession stuff where she is being possessed by the Dybbuk at the end. Like, she's, she's
Jeremy: tiny. She's a tiny. She's a tiny girl woman, but like, she's, scary.
Jeremy: Like, that transformation, they don't do much to her other than kind of mess up her hair and do some, like, skin stuff where it just looks like she's breaking out.
Sara Century: And the camera work is so good.
Emily: It's masterful.
Jeremy: she's so well done. All of the four principal actors in this are amazing. This writer director, like, This is his first feature. He is from Copenhagen. He was, you know, has been working and living in London. Like [01:35:00] he's. He has, like, written and directed short films before, but apparently it's been, like, some time, what he's been doing is translating things for, like, the BBC from, from Copenhagen, from Denmark for their for the BBC, so bringing in stuff from Denmark, and he's doing the translation side of things there, and, like, been doing that for, like, 10 years, it would seem.
Jeremy: Before, you know, making this just absolute banger of a film.
Sara Century: The dialogue is so good. The dialogue is unbelievably good in this. And then it's matched by these incredible performances. And then it's really well shot. There's only like four settings. And they're all gorgeous. So.
Sara Century: Very
Greg: a lot with what must have been a pretty small budget and I, I didn't know that about the filmmaker but I really hope that even though it wasn't like a blockbuster or anything, I, I hope the critical acclaim that this movie got, gets them [01:36:00] more opportunities.
Jeremy: it looks like he has been signed since this movie came out. So,
Jeremy: he will,
Ben: great.
Ben: He deserves it.
Jeremy: yeah, because he is, He is both from Copenhagen and Jewish. So like, he's hitting that same spot as these characters in an interesting way. It's just the, it's just the being a lesbian part that is not him, but he is.
Jeremy: I don't know. I feel like he did that, uh,
Ben: quote some like
Ben: it hot, nobody's perfect.
Emily: Nobody's
Sara Century: like, I'm available for consultation anytime that job is available.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: I do like, like the, there is some scenes with them in bed that like they don't go to great pains to be like to be shooting through that male gaze of like, look at these sexy lesbians. There's just like, They're just chilling and talking and they're kind of like wrapped up in each other. Still mostly dressed.
Ben: Yeah. There's multiple scenes like where they're wearing just t shirts with messy hair and are [01:37:00] just like snoring in bed.
Sara Century: And they have a scene where they almost have sex and then they don't, which I really always love because that's such a rare thing in a movie to have somebody start to have sex and then be like, Oh, this isn't working. And it's not like the end of the relationship that that happened.
Jeremy: and for all my is walking around in her underwear, it's like normal people underwear, like not, it's not movie people underwear.
Ben: Well, it's it is, it is sexy underwear. It's just not uppercase sexy underwear. sexy.
Ben: underwear
Greg: They look comfy throughout the movie. I mean, shout out to the costume designer who was like, you know, not interested in showing like, titillating like lingerie or anything like that. Just, they're in a relationship, they're comfortable with each other, they're, you know, they're not at the point where they feel like they need to look, perfect all the time.
Greg: They could just be kind of schlubs and a t shirt and [01:38:00] underwear and be comfortable with each other that way.
Jeremy: It's kind of interesting, but it's kind of interesting putting this next to, uh, the relationship between, you know, the, the two women and Corissa, which we watched last week, which like is very like. They make a point of sexiness and sexuality, mostly because like, it is not a thing that she has in her daily life.
Jeremy: You know, she's not treated as a, as a, as somebody who would like and enjoy sex. That is important in that moment. And, it's not important in here because it is about their relationship and it's about the feelings.
Emily: Yeah.
Sara Century: cute.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Emily: We love them. They have a real ass relationship with the communication struggle and everything. And like, the really, like, bad decision making in the beginning because, you know, infatuation. So would we recommend this film?
Ben: Oh my god, [01:39:00] absolutely.
Ben: holy holy shit, yes.
Greg: I mean, I don't know why you'd be listening to this podcast if you're not a horror fan, but like, it is the kind of horror movie that I would recommend to non horror fans, both because it's not too scary, and also because I could be like, look, forget the fact that it's classified as a horror film, like, this is just a good movie.
Ben: Agreed. Hit the nail on the head. Absolutely.
Jeremy: It's got drama, it's got suspense, it's got romance, like, the horror is almost
Ben: It's got, yeah, it's got romance, horror, comedy, heart,
Jeremy: No sci fi. But with that said let's get into recommendations. Emily, did you have something you wanted to recommend this week?
Emily: Well, yeah, I mean, there's, I was thinking about Pie but I don't know if I would recommend that as, as something that, to follow this up. Because this movie has so many things going on for it that a lot of movies just frankly don't. So I'm going to actually recommend something [01:40:00] very, very sideways of this.
Emily: There is a new little YouTube series. If you're a goth and if you're into horror movies and things like that, you might be interested. It's called Grave Conversations. And it's hosted by David Desmalkian, who's this character actor whose star is on the rise and he's in a lot of stuff.
Emily: He's in Dune and, various other things.
Greg: Late Night with the Devil.
Emily: Late Night with the Devil. Grave Conversations Yeah, he
Greg: Definitely watch that. It's on Shudder now.
Emily: yes, it is on Shudder now, so that's you know, again, that's not, nothing like this film which is also on Shudder, so, check this film out if you can. But, uh, it's pretty funny, it's just like, it's basically an interview show, but they're in coffins. And he has his, uh, he has his guests or each of them is in a coffin and they're lying down and they're having conversations.
Emily: So it's kind of like a talk show, but they're in coffins. So, only two episodes are out and more to come. So check that out. And, uh, you know, he's a cool little guy. He's [01:41:00] on he's actually very tall, but, um, he's on Instagram and stuff like that. So check it.
Jeremy: Awesome. Let's see, what about, uh, Sarah, what have you got to recommend?
Sara Century: 1920, The Golem, baby. You'll love that movie if you
Sara Century: liked this
Ben: yeah, yeah,
Sara Century: movie rules.
Sara Century: And It was,
Greg: up! Jewish Wizards. Doing magic?
Sara Century: Predominantly Jewish cast, Jewish screenwriter, not a Jewish director, but hey, we're doing pretty good, you know? That is a banger of a movie. I think everybody should see it. And then I'm gonna continue with some other movies.
Sara Century: Possession, 1981. That's the all timer of Possession movies, I think. And as scary as this character is, it harkens back, I'll just say. So if you like a good Possession tale, that's gonna be a good one for ya. Thelma? Oh yeah, go ahead.
Greg: just want to clarify that Possession 1981 should not be [01:42:00] confused with a 2012 movie called The Possession, which co stars Mattis Yahoo which is another Dybbuk movie, but I will not be recommending it because it is horrible. So watch
Sara Century: for the clarification.
Greg: I just, I don't want people watching the wrong possession movie because the 80s one rules.
Greg: It has nothing to do with the 2012 one, and was hard to find until now. If you can handle, like, really intense divorce drama, I definitely second the recommendation.
Sara Century: yeah. The most intense.
Emily: For, for divorce drama, yeah. That's Sam Neill, too, right?
Sara Century: Oh my god, Yes. yes. Yes. Our friend from Jurassic Park. And Damien,
Ben: and event horizon,
Sara Century: Event Horizon, you know, I didn't
Sara Century: forget.
Ben: on this podcast.
Sara Century: I'm gonna say the movie Thelma. [01:43:00] That's also a kind of problematic parent's story where a girl is queer and she's trying to not be queer because parents and she has superpowers and there's just a lot going on with that.
Sara Century: I think if you liked this movie you would like Thelma. My Animal is basically the same. It's a queer kind of romance. It's pretty rocky. problematic relationships, but it is great. And The Vigil, I thought was really good. I don't know if anybody else has seen that. That
Sara Century: movie ruled.
Greg: that, movie rocks.
Sara Century: Yeah, that was good.
Sara Century: We were talking about Jewish horror and it's like, it is rare, but it, when it happens, it's a banger. And that was one of the ones that's just so good. The Innocence, which is another movie that shares a title with another movie, except for The Innocence of 1961 is a. absolutely great movie, but also The Innocence from 2021, which is the one that I'm going to recommend, is a great movie that's kind of kids who have superpowers and then the cruelty of children [01:44:00] kind of comes out in this really messed up way, but I think the complicated dynamics of that would match and then the Great.
Sara Century: Bari Wood, if you all don't know her, she wrote a book called the tribe that is a Jewish horror or horror novel of like, I believe, 1980 ish. And I think it, it doesn't have like the same themes, I guess, of this, but it's, it reminded me there was like something in there that kind of struck a chord and, uh, also was the person who wrote twins, which is the book that inspired dead ringers.
Sara Century: So that's probably,
Ben: Oh, for Sam, like, whoa, they wrote, like, I'm like, whoa, she wrote the Arnold Schwarzenegger, Danny DeVito movie, Twins? Holy shit. Like, talk about fucking range. Goddamn.
Sara Century: Yeah, if only, I guess, if only she had written that and also the book that inspired Dead Ringers, that would be pretty great. But, uh, she's incredible. She's a great horror writer and, uh, I recommend all of that stuff. Trigger warning for the 70s, though. Anything I say that's from the 70s, just always know that that [01:45:00] comes with implicit trigger warnings.
Emily: Uh huh, yeah.
Jeremy: You may be triggered by the 70s. Yeah, uh, Greg, what have you got for us?
Greg: Well, the first thing that comes to mind is so there are, as we said, there are very few Jewish horror movies and there are a couple of Dybbuk movies, most of them are bad but one of the good ones it's from, like, 2015. And it's a Polish film called Demon. I don't know what the Polish title is.
Greg: I don't speak the language. it's the kind of movie that I think is, you're better off going in kind of blind. I don't want to give too much away but it's, Much like Attachment besides the fact that there's a dybbuk, it's a very emotional film. It ends on a really powerful note.
Greg: That's all I'll say about that. I'll also say that if you just want more Jewish, [01:46:00] spooky Jewish lesbians Batwoman Elegy by Greg Rucka and J. H. Williams
Greg: III. And finally, I mentioned that there are a couple of different Dibbuck movies and most of them are bad. If you want a bad one that's also very fun to watch,
Jeremy: give it to me,
Jeremy: give
Greg: very bad, it's called Killer Sofa.
Greg: It's about a cow. It's technically a chair.
Jeremy: It's New Zealand. They call things weird
Jeremy: things. It's a
Greg: yeah. It's a recliner that's possessed by a deadbook. It's one of those movies that's kind of like intentionally bad. Like, I wouldn't call it campy because that's its own thing, but this is definitely made by people who are like, look, we're making a movie about a killer chair, you know, what more do you want from us?
Greg: I will give it props though for being the only. movie I've, or [01:47:00] TV show for that matter, I've ever seen that has a Jew of color in it. The rabbi character has a, uh, his wife is black and that's the only time I've ever seen a non white like Jewish character in a movie.
Jeremy: yeah, when you said there are a lot of movies about dybbuks, a lot that are bad, I was like, Are we talking about Killer Sofa? Are we gonna talk about Killer Sofa here?
Jeremy: Um,
Greg: yeah.
Jeremy: Killer Sofa, a movie that you do not realize is Jewish until about an hour in, and they're like, It's a dybbuk! And I was like, It is?
Greg: you, you, I wish you could have all seen my face the moment I realized that it was a Jewish movie because I, this was at the height of the pandemic. I was just like, okay, fuck it. I'll watch this movie about Killer Sofa that seems intentionally stupid. That's just the mood I'm in. And [01:48:00] then I'm like,
Greg: Holy shit. It's a, killer sofa because a duk is making it kill people. Ugh, magical, magical
Jeremy: Yeah. Ben, what have you got for us?
Ben: yeah, so, uh, I mentioned it earlier in the movie, but I'm gonna recommend Shiva Baby for more queer Jewish experiences in film.
Greg: one Could almost call that a horror movie too. It's
Ben: uh, a level of family awkwardness that I would certainly call horrifying.
Jeremy: Yeah, I made a director star double feature of, uh, Shivababy and Bottoms, which are both incredible, and is an incredible double feature, if you happen to run into those. I just happened to watch Bottoms and liked it so much that I went and looked up Shivababy. Yeah.
Sara Century: Which is on Mubi right now, I think.
Jeremy: yeah.
Jeremy: Shivababy, that might actually need, like, uh, Content warning, because that movie is, you will feel [01:49:00] so ill throughout the course of that movie.
Greg: Yeah.
Jeremy: Content warning for anxiety.
Greg: It like, it's uncut gem's level anxiety.
Jeremy: yeah yeah,
Ben: Oh God, if you want a Jewish movie that will give you fuckin heart palpitations, watch Uncut Gems.
Jeremy: Watch Uncut Gems and Shiva Baby back to back.
Jeremy: Just
Ben: Fuck.
Jeremy: go straight to the
Jeremy: emergency room.
Greg: I would, have a heart attack.
Jeremy: Yeah I'm gonna recommend something that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. I want to recommend, kind of broadly the writer Meredith Scardino, because I have been watching the third season of Girls 5 ever, which is If you've never watched the first two seasons of Girls Clive ever, which were on Peacock when Peacock first started it is now on Netflix for the third season, and it is one of the most joke dense TV shows I have ever watched.
Jeremy: It is in sort of the grand tradition of the, you know, [01:50:00] Tina Fey school of, uh, 30 Rock and
Ben: anything where Paula Pell is involved, you know it's gonna be fuckin funny.
Jeremy: Yeah, if, like, if you haven't seen it, Girls5eva is a is a pop one hit wonder group from the early 2000s that has decided to get back together and try to, like, do a reunion and make it happen. And the the fifth girl has died in the intervening years, so there's just four of them who are played by Sara Bareilles, who is as close to the main characters as you get and this who's incredible and gets to sing and writes a lot of the music for it.
Jeremy: Busy Phillips, who's fantastic in this. Renee Elise Goldsberry, who's amazing. And Paula Pell, who like Paula Pell in particular is just like killing it for three straight seasons because she plays basically the sporty spice Yeah, Paula Pell is a fuckin
Jeremy: who is has since come out in the intervening years. So [01:51:00] she is like, she has come out as gay, she is is married and divorced.
Jeremy: And is now, like, like, regular human sized, not popstar sized. So like, she is amazingly funny in it. All, all four of the main cast are just really good. Andrew Rannells actually has, like, several appearances as well. He is Busy Phillips's husband, the two of them are, are ridiculous and over the top.
Ben: Yeah,
Jeremy: Chad Coleman has a recurring role as well. He's great.
Ben: I love Chad Coleman. Paula Pell is so funny because the idea is that Needing to stay closeted and all of other life's anxieties aged her a whole extra decade than everyone else, which is why her actress is a decade older and she's the only one who doesn't play her own younger self.
Jeremy: Yeah. And they're, they're all amazing. I've seen Renee, Renee Elise Goldsberry and very few things other than Hamilton. She's, kind of broken out in the last couple of years. And she's incredible. Sarah Barry Ellis, I'd never actually seen act before this. You [01:52:00] know, I'd only really just heard her sing and she's, Incredible.
Jeremy: The soundtrack to this is great. Like the songs that they write for this are In some cases, bops, and in some cases, just hilarious, and sometimes both. They have a big hit called BPE, Big Pussy Energy which is just You will find yourself unintentionally singing after watching the episode, and have to remind yourself of what the fuck it is you're singing, because it is so, like, catchy.
Jeremy: But yeah, there's three seasons of that, they're on Netflix now. Watch them. You will have a great time. It's a great way. It's a great thing to watch after stressing yourself out watching all these you know, after you watch Shiva Baby and Uncut Diamonds back to back. You can watch the rest of these.
Jeremy: All right, so that wraps it up for us on here. Sarah, can you remind people where they can find you and what you're up to online?
Sara Century: to saracentury. com where I am at. It's my website. It's about me and [01:53:00] also will send you in all kinds of directions. So just check that out, I guess. I have a new podcast called Best Issue Ever where people talk about their favorite comics of all time and a second new podcast that is called Medusa Mask that has horror stories.
Sara Century: So, you know, either one of those things. Comics and horror stories. My favorite things.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
Sara Century: you can find those literally anywhere that podcasts are.
Jeremy: Where are you listening to this now? Presumably.
Sara Century: Yeah, one would think.
Jeremy: And, uh, Greg, what about yourself?
Greg: So, uh, my column is back, it's called Sober Linings, it's on ComicsBeat. com, uh, I try to get a new one in every Friday, sometimes things happen my, my latest one I wrote about why, uh, Frankenstein seems to be back in the zeitgeist.
Greg: I went back and read the original novel as research.
Sara Century: It's
Greg: So, yeah, oh my [01:54:00] god, it holds up. Uh, but everybody's doing Frankenstein riffs now, so I went back to the source to try to investigate. I'm at Greg Silber on, uh, What do I have? I got Instagram, Blue Sky I'm playing around with threads now.
Greg: I'm not really active on Twitter anymore very much by design.
Sara Century: Oh,
Greg: but, uh, you know, just keep an eye out for my upcoming book that does not have a title yet, but I am working on it.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
Sara Century: Upcoming book. It's in my notes. Yeah,
Emily: mega moth.net. Mega moth on Instagram, mega moth on blue sky, mega moth on Patreon.
Jeremy: And Ben.
Ben: Yes, you can find me at Ben k comics and on Twitter at Ben the Con. And if you're in the New [01:55:00] York area in August, I will be appearing at anime, N-Y-C-C-E or anime, NY and flame Con. So that will be some fun New York convention experiences if you're in the area.
Jeremy: Awesome. And, uh, you can find me on my website@jeremywhitley.com. You can find me on preferably Blue Sky and Tumblr wearing Jeremy Whitley. Or if you've must, you can find me on Twitter or Instagram at j ro five eight. If you are, uh, listening to this when it comes out. Uh, you might be able to catch me at ALA in San Diego at the end of June.
Jeremy: And if you miss me there if you happen to be in Germany, I'll be there for uh, Gen Con and for GalaKahn in, in July, and then you can see me also at FlameKahn in August, and, uh, also now DragonKahn and we'll be there as well. So, uh, catch me at any of those places or, uh, obviously catch us here every Friday at Progressively [01:56:00] Horrified.
Jeremy: We have a new episode every week. Uh, we are in the middle of Pride, so look out for a couple more gay horror movies coming up very soon. Next week, I know we're talking about Medusa, which is that's a great one as well.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Greg: don't know that one. I'm looking forward to hearing about it.
Jeremy: There've been some years where we haven't been able to find we've had, uh, trouble finding any, like, sapphic horror movies that don't involve the two women who are, Dating, trying to kill each other. Uh, we got three back to back this time. So, yeah, and then we got, uh, you know, we got good manners coming up as well.
Jeremy: So, it's going to be, it's going to be a fun month. So, uh, keep up with us right here and, uh, get all kinds of great stuff. And until next time, stay horrified.