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We're going behind the scenes to see and understand modern agriculture, because no matter whether you're in it or not, you probably don't know all the pieces to just how incredible, diverse and multi-layered agriculture is. We do this by uncovering the real stories, experiences and voices of modern agriculture.
Oli Le Lievre 0:05
The boys actually, when we sat down in 2021 came up with a jingle for that number. Because jingles make everything easier. For triple 8469, double O four, double EIGHT. You're shaking your head. Yeah, you're gonna rank AAA.
Unknown Speaker 0:19
Oh, oh four AAA 425 double
Oli Le Lievre 0:22
EIGHT. That is so
Speaker 2 0:25
they say that you have to see or hear something seven times before you actually remember it. So you would have to or
Oli Le Lievre 0:31
would have been handy to know that in the interview. You know, and welcome to the internet on the go podcast produced by humans of agriculture. Our podcast is designed to get you across the things that matter in Ozzie agribusiness in a way that's just well, buddy easy to understand. Think of me as a friend that is learning with you, as we discover and chat about the topics, from farm to fork, and even beyond. Welcome back to the humans of agriculture podcast this week, we thought we'd mix things up a little bit with let's call it a segment, let's call it an episode called Molly. Basics of net worth throwing around names for this, and we're talking about like, do we call it harvest radio, like, do we just call it humans of ag radio, I think that's probably the way it could work best is let's just call it humans of agriculture radio,
Unknown Speaker 1:21
I was sold on Mali that
Oli Le Lievre 1:25
we can run it with Mali, we're sitting down here on what our own country and I'd like to extend my respects to the traditional custodians on the land, wherever you're taking our podcast, right across Australia, and even to a few of you who are listening overseas today, we'd love to know actually, our stats, tell us where you're listening from. But we'd love to know, there's a couple of key ways that pop up few people in Ireland every now and then. It's people in the UK, so probably Australians, it's quite a thing to do in your 20s. So mil I guess, the whole purpose? Well, there's a couple of purposes of doing this radio top segment one, we are coming to the end of the year, which has just flown by, which is insane. And so we thought, well, we have such amazing guests come on the podcast. But a huge part of what we do is also like to bring a bit of the fun into this as well. So we wanted to have the chance to have a few laughs as well. And the other side of it, which I think we've talked about a little bit, but maybe not hugely either, is the importance of bringing other faces and voices in and around humans of agriculture as well beyond just mine, because people are sick of mine. This afternoon.
Unknown Speaker 2:28
I get that feedback all the time. Everyone's
Oli Le Lievre 2:31
so pretty well, this is what succession looks like. So people should take it really good. And it feels amazing. So mill welcome. There's no official hope we both just hosts, we both guests on the podcast. And we can kind of take it here there in any way. I think, really between now and the end of the year. I'm going on holidays for a little bit. We'll do a few of these episodes, we'll bring in a few other guests. I think it would be awesome to bring back some of our favourite guests of the year. That would be cool. You've been with us for now three and a half months. I thought for May time flies when you have fun. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 3:03
It's just riveting. And by. So
Oli Le Lievre 3:07
who have been some of the guests that are stuck with you so far from 2023. So
Speaker 2 3:13
I really enjoyed Trent Thorne, I think and I actually hadn't listened dude had him on previously before going to Mount Everest, before his attempt up there. And it was, I guess I was really interested in his mindset and approach to something that is so physically daunting, but I guess I had never really took into account the mental load as well and how you have to chain and time away from the family and the business and then hearing him come back from that. And he was one and done and his acceptance journey that actually he could see the top but he didn't make it all the way to the top. I think that would be Yeah, it's something that I personally would really struggle with. And so I found him super intriguing. And just not, you know, we've got some wonderful farmers and grassroots people across the supply chain, but I think he comes with a very different perspective. So really enjoyed his chat. More recently, Erica holiday oh my god, she's cool. And I knew she was cool. met her a few a few things with Angus Australia. And yeah, I knew she was gonna be great, but her chat was really good. And I think it probably came at a time we might touch on this a little bit later if you give me the opportunity to talk about some things. Cool. But I think her optimism probably came at a time when you know we as an industry probably really needed her level headed approach to actually like we should have so much confidence in in what we're doing. So loved her episode and I don't want to ruin things but one more Brice Ives he hasn't been released yet, but that is a river
Oli Le Lievre 4:53
and hasn't been released at the point of recording. But it will be out by the time people listen to this. Oh true. So tell us about your takeaways from Ross.
Speaker 2 5:02
He, I would say is a unique human being for Australian agriculture when you pitch Australian agriculture, in all honesty, you don't pitch to someone like Bryce. And I think that's awesome. But he is also similar to Erica and his sense of his optimism and energetic but he is he brings a really different personal story to regional rural agriculture in Australia, and I think where he actually sits in his role of really energising that next generation he is, he's the bloke for the job. He's really cool.
Oli Le Lievre 5:35
I'm picking up on are you keep saying the word agriculture. And I think this is a big thing for me if we talk so humans of agriculture, but realistically, it's just people. And the people that were getting on like your Bryce's who really like if you had to try and fit him in to a box, which it'd be so hard, but he's probably like a professional facilitator. He's worked in universities, he's worked across a whole range of different things. But he has this amazing way of bringing out and empowering people. He's, he's worked in the arts. And I think like, we talked about agriculture supply chain, as soon as we start doing that, I think we're already like, key part of our goal is about trying to bring the broader Australian society into conversations around agriculture. And I think, for us, maybe it is actually let's just talk about the humans. And yes, they're involved in agriculture. That's kind of the what they do, but who they are, is next level. And I think the thing that stuck with me from bras was how he talked about the, like, what he took from the arts and have him being a young, I don't know, I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm gonna try a young all over others doing that, because I'm on that, but Oliver in the musical, and how he talked about it, like in terms of leadership, in stage performances, I'd never even thought about this where it was like, the adults in the productions don't come down to the level of the kid, if the kid wants that role, and wants to be part of the show going forward. They need to actually rise and be at the same level as the adults. And I thought that was amazing, because I think, and I'd say even sometimes naturally, I do it when I think oh, we got like a young up and comer or someone like that. And it's actually in their circles in the areas in it, industry or whatever it might be actually, actually already established.
Speaker 2 7:11
Yeah. And he describes it so well and interesting coming from someone like him, but he said he hates the term emerging leaders. And he works with technically emerging leaders, you know, all the time. That's his area, especially in connecting and facilitating. And so yeah, interesting that he just said, No, I hate that term. Because you're leaders, you have something to contribute right now. And yeah, I think that's, I think that's great. I think it's very true. And it's empowering.
Oli Le Lievre 7:37
I personally think Bryce's conversation might challenge a few of our, say, more traditional listeners, people who have maybe one look at something in one way. And actually, if you can look at and listen to his episode in a really open minded way, someone who question their sexuality, who went through these different challenges, who is so deeply ingrained and passionate about rural Australia, but has done it in such a different way of the arts and drama is incredible. And now it's kind of gone full circle. And now what he can bring to other people through the horizon scholars through Rural Women's Awards through of Ocak, through all these other different areas, National Farmers Federation, like he's so actually intertwined in agriculture in the places you really need someone who can get the best out of people, I think, yeah, be interesting to see people's initial reactions to the episode because we do talk about some really interesting things around sexuality and whatnot, which is, I'll say, a different conversation that we don't necessarily hear in agriculture. Ah, totally
Speaker 2 8:35
great. And when we were discussing how to introduce Bryce, and Ollie, like you did a beautiful introduction to Bryce, and you probably challenged yourself in that introduction to really talk to Bryce in a way that you might do it, you know, off camera to introduce him, but you did it to his face and really made that initial connection, you know, in a really beautiful way. But we were talking about little snippets that we can grab and share on now other social media platforms, and it was that came into play, like, how are people going to take this because he's beautiful, unique.
Oli Le Lievre 9:09
He is. He's incredible. Well, and I think so, off the back of this. Over the next few weeks, we're going to sit down with different people. But at the moment, it's kind of, we've got a few ideas, but we would love to hear from people. I know what I hadn't actually thought of bringing Trent back, but maybe we bring Trent would be the first person to come back three times on the bog.
Unknown Speaker 9:27
Thank you. So cool. Can we get him back?
Oli Le Lievre 9:30
Maybe? A few questions. Yeah. All right. And I think yeah, if it's guests from this year or other years, like hit us up, it's actually been when we look at it across actually, I don't know how many episodes we've done this year, but we've we've done the carbon series, we've done the Better Business series we've done our weekly kind of every day, extraordinary humans in our stories each Wednesday, so there's a lot to pick from. Yeah, send it in is definitely been the biggest year yet.
Unknown Speaker 9:55
Because I came on board three months ago.
Oli Le Lievre 9:58
Other thing which we probably I need to bring to the audience attention. Is military Birthday Happy Birthday
Unknown Speaker 10:09
Well, actually, oh, I forgot my birthday today. Everyone's
Oli Le Lievre 10:11
I did just took me a little bit to work through what the day was. I forgot. I was like,
Speaker 2 10:19
I heard it was more like maybe 45 minutes, and I was just patiently waiting. Oh, God.
Oli Le Lievre 10:25
Happy birthday. The reason we cannot do it, and it's a podcast I've actually been really picked up on now around copyright. So I literally cannot sing Happy Birthday on the podcast, because of copyright. So I can't say I can all I can say it's happy birthday. And we can't have any changes. We can't jingle anything. Copyrights go on to next level, we can't do anything. Oh,
Speaker 2 10:44
God. Well, I'm can't say I'm too disappointed.
Oli Le Lievre 10:51
But I have asked and will request that your friends synced to dinner tonight. Definitely, if there's a video, it will be circulated. No, guys, so mill over the last few months. Let's try and cover off a bit of country in this episode without taking way too long. Let's chat about the community survey. It was a really interesting piece of work that we did throw it out 357 People responded to it. All sorts of different insights. And we were able to group it down into just a couple of probably like key themes, I think mental health, women in agriculture, careers in agriculture. And then the big thing, for me really stuck out was around emotions and that connection piece that we bring, what were your kind of key takeaways or some of the things that stuck out to you as part of that? So
Speaker 2 11:42
I think there was some parts of it that were unsurprising, they probably were reassuring in the sense that we were already thinking we were going down that path, but they were unsurprising the fact that we know we have a younger demographic as our audience, and we know that perhaps a lot of those people are in that, you know, early to mid level in their career. I think what I found surprising was the presence of females been, you know, as probably, I think it was what 64% females. And I probably thought it was a little bit closer to 5050 in that. But the other one I found really surprising is we always talk about careers in agriculture. And obviously, through everyone's stories, we are highlighting a pathway and everyone has that really unique, you know, journey throughout their career. But I probably didn't realise like some of that actual unique feedback that came in there was one respondent who said that they were studying I can't even say this word osteopathy said again. osteo, pathI,
Oli Le Lievre 12:45
maybe a third time. Osteopathic osteopathy, that
Unknown Speaker 12:50
sounds better. Yeah. I didn't know what that is. What is that? Skeleton studies?
Oli Le Lievre 12:56
Yeah, a bit of a mix. Yeah. skeletons of muscles. Yeah. Work with the spawn? I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2 13:01
The respondent was saying that that was the pathway that they were going to
Oli Le Lievre 13:05
play with their studies. Had they Yeah, completed the studies and making a career
Speaker 2 13:09
change. And now they're going to study Bachelor of agriculture. And I found that like, those little anecdotes of people that you go, Oh, wow. Like, we're actually really enticing people into this, you know, Sophia of what may be a career in agriculture can look like, and there's probably a lot more movement within agriculture than what we thought as well. So they will probably my, my surprises.
Oli Le Lievre 13:34
Yeah, no, I think mill for me, I think that was really interesting. But I think also like, that probably doesn't surprise me in the sense of the way. And this will probably evolve the conversation. But the way that we have approached creating content, since the very beginning was how do we make agriculture accessible in ways that people can understand through sharing the stories of the people involved in it. So people who might be working in agriculture, but have a background or a skill set, which can be applicable in agriculture could look at it and go like, Oh, my God, I could be like, Tom, or I could be like Sarah, or whatever it might be. And I think that's what our stories have been able to do is to show people to be like, Oh, that person's come from a marketing or partnerships background in a completely other industry, but actually, that can apply. And there's so many different roles and jobs that they could have in agriculture. And so I think that part's probably not surprising. It's awesome to see that tangible impact of that. The other part, one in five of, of the people who responded was a representative sample of our community. So the 50, odd 1000 is 50 to 55,000. People were actually in the city not and also, we're actually not working in agriculture. And I think that's cool. I think that's a number which I'd love to see grow. Because I think, for me, it's going how do we create content which draws back into the everyday Australians that 97 98% of the population that aren't in agriculture, but could be interested in if we talk about it show in ways which is relevant and interesting to them? And then I think The big one was around. And for me, it's just that connection back into the mental health side. And knowing what we know, I guess this year quite significant with the Norco mental well, mental health and well being report that came out in back in April. And the two stats, which I think really stuck out, but then where we had some really interesting feedback in through our content was one around loneliness. So 27% of Australian farmers are saying the number one factor which is causing distress to their mental health is loneliness. And one person in when they responded said, sometimes your voices or the voices on the humans of agriculture podcast are the only other voices I'll hear during the workday. And I think that was a Mac like, it's amazing. It's this impact, which we never thought we'd ever have. It's made things harder in the sense of like, I think for me, given the privilege we get of people's time and in places where they are, we don't want to just throw anyone in the space. I think that's something we've probably been talking about more and more over the last few months. About that. And I think we're going on all sorts of tangency probably also flagging that not everyone we sit down and record with actually ever makes it onto the podcast. Yeah, we've had a few like that as well. I think that comes back to want to actually want to make sure that conversations we have is worthy of our audience's time. And I think I know, as soon as I've recorded whether it is or not. Yeah, it's a horrible feeling. And apologies to people who haven't who we've sat down with and recorded with who haven't made it. But I think that's part of the conversations and and the level that we want to have as well. The other part beyond that was a went on a huge tangent then was about you can in podcast, yeah, was about the mental health aspects. And it was get the startling stats, and I'm just going to check them because I need to make sure I get them right here. But that 30% of farmers have attempted or considered self harm or suicide. And that is so confronting this was back in April, we now October November, and things are challenging out there. And I think this piece is how do we help normalise not just normalise that mental health conversations, but actually provide tangible pathways into it. And so if people are needing help, or someone to talk to there's lifeline 1311 14 Also, the guys that this is a conversation starter. So many people know trademark. And I love their helpline for a couple of reasons. One, because if you're worried about a friend, you can actually call them and say oh, can you actually give my friend a buzz? And they will. Or you can just give them a chat for a free session. And that is the boy is actually when we sat down in 2021 Come up with a jingle for that number. Because jingles make everything easier. It's like the guy from Louisville. It's over for triple 8469 double EIGHT. But it's like a little bit more like, oh, four triple 8469 Double. Cole tax.
Speaker 2 18:04
I think everyone's gonna remember that now. But yeah, well, I'm happy to help soften up your tires a little bit.
Oli Le Lievre 18:10
Do you know the number now? Oh, four, double EIGHT. You're shaking your head? Yeah, you got it wrong. Triple 8004 Aaa 45, double EIGHT. No, that is so wrong. Do it again, one more time, I'll concentrate. It's Oh, four triple 8469, double
Speaker 2 18:30
O four, triple 8469 double EIGHT. They say that you have to see or hear something seven times before you actually remember it. So you would have to go crazy on it six or seven times before it wasn't just for feature notice would have been handy to know that in the
Oli Le Lievre 18:52
community survey or anything else that?
Speaker 2 18:54
Well, I guess I find that mental health component of it and probably coming from someone who was outside of humans of agriculture to now inside. Like I saw that as a quite unsurprisingly, because we have as a platform have
Oli Le Lievre 19:07
good correction
Speaker 2 19:11
have opened up this space where people are vulnerable. And I wish I could count the number of times that people responded in that survey saying, Oh, we liked the vulnerable stories or when people showed vulnerability and all of those things like they were always that was really prominent throughout. And I think that that space is really special. But like coming from someone who was outside and now within, like, it's unsurprising, like the journeys that people go on and the space that we've created has allowed them to share these real vulnerable moments. But I guess with that, okay, it's such a heavy topic and so do you feel mental health? Do you feel responsibility like knowing that actually, there are these tangible outcomes from humans of agriculture as a platform How does that feel? As you know, going forward? Is that a responsibility? Question? Was thinking hard not to like,
Oli Le Lievre 20:12
I don't know if I'd say it, no, it's not a responsibility, like, because it's just something we like care about. And I think that he's so much of like, at the core of the conversations that we have, and the things we talk about genuinely are things that matter to me. And it's things I'm trying to work out for myself, or curious about or whatever. And I know on that mental health side, I've seen both sides, I've seen what it can do to families and friends when someone is suffering, and then ultimately makes a decision to take their own life or whatever it might be, and the impacts in the flow of that. And I've also, probably this year more than any other, like, seeing what it's like, not to have depression or anxiety or anything like that. But to be that self doubt and questioning yourself. And so for me, where I've found it so beneficial this year has been to have that other person to talk to, and it was only through me, and it was part of my New Year's resolution this year was like, Okay, couple of priorities, but one or two of them being around wellbeing. And I wanted to work on my physical well being. And my mental physicals come from when I'm at home, going to the gym more regularly, which has been amazing. And the mental has actually to go and start seeing a psychologist because I just wanted to see what was it like to have those initial conversations and I'll shitting myself the first time, it was so confronted with just such an unknown, and then it was kind of quite reassuring to walk out after a few sessions and go, okay, like I'm, I'm quite normal. Should we use the word normal, in the sense of like, and I think that's normal in the sense of, I've got things I'm trying to work through, and we'll continue to work through. And it's both in like a personal and a professional setting. And normal is that I've got someone there that I can chat about with these things. Everyone has things they're trying to work out for themselves. I think that's what normally is, and being able to have that being able to get out of your own head and have someone who you can verbalise but then with beyond just for me beyond just having chatting to friends about it means that someone can, there's accountability in it. But there's also like tools, so it's like, cool, you've got that. And a big one for me has been, what's the worst that can happen? What's the worst outcome of these things in both situations? And it's like, when you actually think through what's the worst that can happen? In most situations? It's like, okay, cool. Now I've got a way that I can start to walk through. So big question that you asked, and it actually well, and I wasn't expecting to talk about that. But I do think it's something which I'm very happy to share. Because I think, like, I want my mate to want my friends. I want the people I know to actually know how beneficial help can be. And it doesn't have to be at a critical point, you can actually go anytime, and those conversations are really beneficial. Oh,
Speaker 2 22:58
for sure. And thank you for sharing, and I'll probably a shame I went too late, like when I was a little bit younger, and it was in that sort of reactionary time. But you know, sometimes sometimes the best time to go and seek, you know, that conversation can be when you're actually feeling really good. And then it's productive. And then you're on the front foot. And so just for those people that are maybe listening to this and going, I feel I feel great. Well, then, you know, what an awesome time to better yourself even even further. And yeah, I'm really curious about that. Like that mindset that, you know, looking for positives in the world and things like that, and how that can actually come about. And interesting when you actually talk to someone, it's just those reminders. It's kind of like farm safety. You can go on, yeah, we're good, we're good, we're good. And it takes something to happen until you, you know, you do something about it. And sometimes I think, well, you have to be proactive, but how do you get those reminders, those habits really set so that you you can keep on evolving and keep on improving?
Oli Le Lievre 24:01
And I think like all we have to say there it's like, yeah, it's normal to have questions and doubts and that. Yeah, if anyone does want to chat to someone, a friend is really good luck starting off. But actually, there's also professionals who are amazing. And there's plenty of resources will share as part of this podcast. Yeah, look at the show notes. Let's take a slight tangent, some of the conversations we've been having. And so I think we're covering lots of areas for for the sake of getting everyone up to speed on what's happening in humans back. And some of the things I think we're probably working through and it might even be stuff that we can jump into. It has been really interesting year with partnerships and things. I'm actually glad it's coming to an end and slowing down because it's been a lot. And it's been amazing and I think these conversations are the ones that we want to have more of so also probably shouting out to people that if there's an area or an aspect of agriculture, which they'd love for us to cover, like hit us up with thinking and brainstorming and always Thinking about looking for ideas. But if people have ideas, please share them with us. Because what we really want to do is show what modern agriculture is all about. And what's involved from farm to fork and and beyond actually go and experience that. So I think, let's see what's out there. And any ideas of what people would want us to do. I've got a few ideas. I'm not gonna share them here.
Unknown Speaker 25:21
Now he's full of ideas, guys. Yeah. Very
Oli Le Lievre 25:24
funny social media things I think we could do. Yeah, well, I think you'd enjoy it. Maybe But like, after, but I think just yet imagine you'd only have to work one day, and me being like, alright, pack up the bags. I'm actually gonna take you to a new workplace today, and you're gonna go do a job.
Speaker 2 25:44
Oh, well, talents, right? Yeah. Okay, well, you
Oli Le Lievre 25:48
might have to do it. After this one. Millie. What is the joke of the day?
Speaker 2 25:54
Okay, this segments come back because everyone just loved my jokes in the episode previous in the year. No. Okay.
Oli Le Lievre 26:00
Norman still cry?
Speaker 2 26:04
No, but still hasn't got ECMP. Okay. Some alligators grew up to 20 feet, but most certainly have four.
Oli Le Lievre 26:16
Net? That's so good. It's shocking. Your turn? I don't know if I'll use this one with you or not?
Unknown Speaker 26:26
I don't know. I can't know. I don't know when you tell me.
Oli Le Lievre 26:31
Have you ever seen an elephant when you're playing hide and seek? You have told me this word. No. Have you ever seen an elephant hiding in a tree? When you're playing hide and seek, though? You're pretty good at it? Are they? It's not funny if you've heard that. But anyway. There's a few laughs My wacky one. Yeah, not there's absolutely zero time for that. So there was one other segment I wanted to bring in. Because I've never been so self conscious, since the second way that you started. And I from my whole life, thought I was one word correctly. We're having a few tech issues. So we're going to come back and revisit this. But I would love to know for people to hit us up on Instagram. What are some words that you literally just cannot say? Or that someone has decided to pick you up on that you say incorrectly? For me? It was croissant.
Speaker 2 27:25
Now you said it reasonably. That was better than how he genuinely was for flatline. And it goes on. And I melted. I thought what the hell is he saying? It's croissant. Which you know, your surname is the leave and you're the French one. So maybe I'm completely in the wrong here.
Oli Le Lievre 27:45
I can't wait to play these Voice Memos I got when I put it out. Really? Oh, we got like five or six different ones and is so funny. We'll settle this debate later.
Unknown Speaker 27:54
Oh, okay. I'm interested. Who's right?
Oli Le Lievre 27:56
You're not telling you settle it like,
Unknown Speaker 27:58
not good on the patient's everything.
Oli Le Lievre 28:00
So yeah, no, I reckon what, what we'd love to do over the next few weeks is have a little bit of feedback. Who do people want us to chat to? What are some of the topics that people would want to hear from? What do they want us to chat about? And also, can we get some better jokes from Millie that actually involves some interaction, not just a one way street of alligators and crocodiles? Because that was shocking. I thought that was good. No, it'd be like saying some snakes can grow up to eight feet. But most have none. Yeah, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 28:38
Thank you. That was my cousin Dan for the city that would do the you have to do a shout out to his family members. Yeah, we we will shout out if you would like us to if you sent in if you give a really good. Yeah, give a really good job. We will do a shout out.
Oli Le Lievre 28:50
Well, mill, you can close the shot. Okay. Well,
Speaker 2 28:55
humans of agriculture radio, is that what we just saw? did? I think Molly? Yeah, Molly. Molly was good. This is the first episode of Molly, but really keen to hear everyone's feedback. And oh, it was good to actually chat about some of those topics that we actually touch on a lot every day, but and now we can do it in that more, I guess, formal aspect. And yeah, say things that like you said, Before, you didn't actually plan on saying and because it's, yeah, I think that's been a real conversation. Yeah. Specially really special. So no, thank you. It's been good. I'm excited to sit down for another episode of Molly.
Oli Le Lievre 29:31
Next time, you have to come up with a theme song. Oh, do you work between now and next time? We'll
Unknown Speaker 29:35
Collingwood theme song? No,
Oli Le Lievre 29:36
absolutely not. That's very original.
Unknown Speaker 29:40
What are we gonna do sing?
Oli Le Lievre 29:42
We're gonna shut it down. Alright, we'll see you next week.
Unknown Speaker 29:45
Bye.
Oli Le Lievre 29:47
Well, that's it for another episode from us here at humans of agriculture. We hope you're enjoying these podcasts. And if you're not, let us know hit us up at Hello at humans of agriculture.com Get in touch with any guests recommend Dacians topics or things you'd like us to talk and get curious about. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend. Rate, Subscribe, review it. Any feedback is absolutely awesome and we really do welcome it. So look after yourselves. Stay safe, stay sane. We'll see you next time. See ya
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