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What is going on everybody?
Welcome.
We've got a lot of people talking on
the internet and we're going to respond.
It's lunchtime.
Yay!
What is going on, everybody?
Lunch with the Clydesdale time.
I am here solo because Corey Leonard has
a customer,
and he's got to make that coin so
he can support the family,
and he's doing all that.
But hopefully his phone call ends.
He can jump on with us later in
the show.
But so excited to have the rest of
you here with us.
Looks like we have a little bit of
one-upsmanship in the chat.
Lito, member for nine months.
Then Kenneth the Lap comes in with member
for twenty-two months.
And then Jay Birch jumps in for member
for thirty-one months.
Jay Birch, man,
you're almost at three years as a member
of this channel.
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you what.
You guys don't know how much that little
three dollars and ninety nine cents is or
six ninety nine, whatever level you're at.
We try to keep the the intro level
at the lowest that YouTube will allow us.
Three ninety nine.
That's all it is.
If you hit that join button and join
the channel,
it allows us to get this show up
and running every single day and pays for
all the platforms that we have to pay
for to get that to happen.
And then Corey,
but he's actually part of the family now,
thirty seven months a member.
Damn.
And we get some OGs in the house.
OGs in the house.
Rep in Penn State, of course, always do.
Hopefully we have a better season than
last.
At least wrestling gave us a little flash
of genius.
But yeah.
Vicky made it so I can stop stressing
out.
Yeah.
I always wonder, like, is she okay?
Is she okay?
Do I need to check on her?
She's made it, so I'm good.
I'm good.
Anna Shoup, hi.
Shanna Bunch, always a pleasure to have.
Daniel Arnson.
Yeah, Corey's doing the workouts.
Yeah.
Jody must not have a customer.
She's here.
Aku Black Dragon.
Great having all you guys here.
So anyway,
what I want to do first is yesterday
we talked about the amputee and Mark
Phillips did send me a video so I
can show you like how he is able
to be a cornhole player.
But while being a quadruple amputee.
So this is his video on Instagram.
And this is how he throws the cornhole
bag.
So there is that this is the guy
who allegedly, uh,
murdered a passenger in his car with a
gun.
And then if we go back here,
you can see how he can shoot a
gun.
So you're here.
He is loading a pistol and firing it
at a range.
Now,
the only question I still have is how
he's able to do this and still drive.
Joseph Ramirez,
he lived ten minutes from me in Southern
Maryland.
Wow.
So he did all this while driving a
vehicle, shot a man,
and then drug him out of a car
into a yard.
So, yeah.
Um, if there's a will, there's a way.
And then Joseph and Kenneth both are like,
it was a Tesla autopilot.
Okay.
There we go.
There's your answer.
Exactly.
Vicki, such a wild story.
I, uh,
I still didn't believe it was true.
um when i saw it and but now
it's all coming together it's a true story
um can't believe that all happened um jay
birch says does he have any prosthetics i
i don't know i didn't see anything on
his instagram where it showed that or any
of his activities um and daniel's like i
don't know how
Uh, he's dragging a body.
I don't either.
Uh, Corey Leonard,
my wife has a Tesla model three autopilot
doesn't work that well.
Uh, and not to blame the dead guy,
but how fast can this guy's draw be?
Yeah.
I would think there was some warning
signs.
I think Corey said yesterday,
it's not that hard to get out of
a car.
Like you just pull the handle and fall
out.
And that would have been a better option
than getting shot and killed in a car.
But yeah,
we don't want to blame the dead guy.
Although he could have done something
about that.
But yeah, what a wild story, man.
And with this week,
the week I am having at work,
like I needed that release or whatever it
was to kind of dig into that story
and talk to you guys about it.
Because it's been just,
it was a long week yesterday and it
was only Tuesday.
Today hasn't gotten much better.
I'm just hoping Friday gets here soon.
So adrenaline and desperation can be a
hell of a motivator.
I am sure.
Yes.
And there were other people in the car.
There were other people in the car.
Jody says, hey, hey, hey,
maybe the victim was blind.
There you go.
There you go.
Everything has an explanation.
Just just ask.
Ilsa or whatever her name was that got
four-year ban yesterday.
We got to see that live on the
show yesterday.
I wanted to talk about that a little
bit.
And that is,
so she gets a four-year ban.
Do you think that for doctoring videos,
lying, putting up illegit scores,
do you think a four-year ban is
appropriate for that kind of cheating?
And I do, I really do.
I think if you've gone to that many
lengths to cheat the system,
then four years is appropriate.
I would have been okay with two.
I would have been okay with it,
but I'm really okay with four.
I think if you go to that,
that many lengths to cheat the system,
you are
you are deserving of like the max penalty.
So, um, so I'm glad that, um,
echo black dragon and Daniel Arnston said
this cheating is cheating.
So I don't know if you saw this,
but Toby Buckland made a post,
and it was shared by the Barbell Spin,
where he said if cheating is cheating,
then he knows firsthand that athletes in
camps have known what workouts were at the
CrossFit Games and have been able to train
for them for weeks before them.
while other athletes don't know those
workouts.
And if you go down the road of
cheating is cheating,
should those camps and should those
athletes who get leaked workouts ahead of
time,
should they be given a four-year ban as
well?
Now,
that's a question posed by Toby Buckland,
and it was shared by The Barbell Spin
on Instagram today.
joseph said we talked about it last night
on the glintons uh trevor bockenmeyer got
the same four-year ban for looping his
dubs workout um hexi lover cheating is
cheating as many cheats as he did as
she did permanent band is a deterrent for
any future cheaters i think a four-year
band is a pretty big deterrent that takes
a good chunk of your prime away
Jodi wonders who imposed the band.
Was there like a committee or was it
Dave?
I really don't know.
yes kenneth i he did toby buckland did
not name names but i am pretty dog
on shore he was referencing the chad
workout where people knew the box set up
um beforehand and i know i've heard the
crossover double unders the first year
they were introduced in
There were a handful of athletes who had
the beaded rope that made those easier at
the games and others that did not.
Understand if they act on that knowledge,
then they are technically cheating.
If someone sends me info I shouldn't have,
that isn't on me,
that is on the sender.
What about the OPEX weight diameter
scandal?
I don't remember what happened there.
I don't either, Mark.
Yeah.
See,
that's where you get to like shades of
cheating, right?
That is like, because the OPEX incident,
they had the proper weight on the bar.
They just had smaller plates so they could
jump over it easier for bar facing
burpees.
And they didn't like doctor video.
They didn't go to all these lengths.
So I think anytime you say cheating is
cheating,
you pin yourself in a corner for things
that may not quite be as bad.
But then again,
maybe people do think it's as bad.
So should we pin ourselves in that corner?
Should we say that all cheating is
cheating?
And if you are caught cheating,
then you are up for a four-year ban,
whether it's PEDs,
whether it's doctoring video,
whether it's, I don't know.
I think it could be a slippery slope
if we do that.
Uh, Carolyn Prevo in the, in the chat,
two thousand nineteen.
Many people knew the first event.
Twenty twenty two people knew the yoke
carry clean and deadlift wad.
And this is from someone that were was
at those two games.
So I get what Andrew was saying earlier
about Andrew Sten,
that if you are sent the information,
that's not on you, that's on the sender.
But the minute you take that information
and you use it to get an advantage,
then it's on you.
I don't know.
I think Mark Phillips,
understand that begs the question,
are you now obligated to share with the
world?
It's a gray area.
I don't know if you're obligated to share
it with the world.
I think you're obligated to report it.
But maybe not your responsibility to share
it with the world.
John George asks,
do you believe her coach had no idea?
I don't.
I also think whoever signed her sheet and
verified her score should be held
accountable.
Not sure if you discussed this or not.
Just hit here.
We didn't discuss it today,
but we have discussed it on the Sunday
night show as well as earlier in the
week that anybody who signed off on that
workout and said it was good should be
held accountable as well.
If you receive info on the workout,
you absolutely should share it.
Level the playing field.
I think it's your obligation to share it
to CrossFit HQ or whatever competition
organizers are running the event to say,
I got this leaked information.
I did not use it.
I'm just letting you know that someone is
out there sending it.
Ken Walters wants to know if Cowboy and
I broke up after yesterday's TIFF.
We did not.
We did not.
We just needed a break.
So we're on a break.
No.
He actually has some work responsibilities
that he's taking care of.
He was hoping to be done in time.
And he said he would jump on if
he gets done within our time period.
But, you know,
you got to make the money for the
family.
Yep, once you receive info,
no one should have.
It's on you to share it with HQ.
Scott,
she cheated multiple times in the same
workout to prove she didn't cheat.
I agree.
I have no problem with the suspension for
her,
but I think it should also go to
anybody who signed off on her workout.
Anybody who said it was legit, judge,
affiliate, whoever signed off on that,
whoever validated it,
and whoever signed it as a judge should
be responsible as well.
An NDA is just a piece of paper.
Joseph, I will say this.
An NDA is only a piece of paper
if you don't act on it.
If you are an actor in the Marvel
universe and you leak movie information,
that movie studio will come after you hard
over that NDA and they will win.
It is the threat of action on the
NDA that is the important part.
If you have someone sign an NDA and
then you don't hold them accountable for
the NDA,
then it's just a piece of paper.
Daniel says, yep,
because you can't guarantee all your
competitors will get the info.
Send to HQ, let them handle it.
Teresa, if you missed it,
it wasn't a tiff.
We just disagreed on an aspect of
quarterfinals and the workouts yesterday.
Okay.
It was just a good, healthy discussion.
No tiff.
Open scores are automatically verified,
though, to be fair.
Right, but that's what I'm saying.
If it was done at an affiliate, though,
and you are responsible for that,
If you invalidated it,
then I think you're in the clear.
You can still invalidate.
And it's your responsibility as the
affiliate manager to invalidate any scores
that you don't feel are correct.
Yes,
there were more people complicit in the
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Daniel says, I welcome any Marvel leaks.
Paige Smith, you don't have to validate.
Right, but you can invalidate.
The validation is automatic,
but you as the affiliate manager can
invalidate.
Uh...
So there, there we go.
Corey and I's fight was nothing compared
to Jamie and Scott fight.
I will agree on that.
I will agree.
I agree.
So along with this cheating stuff,
I don't know if you guys all saw
this, but Ben Smith had something to say.
And this, whoop, wrong one.
This is,
I'll read what Ben Smith says over here.
I'm hearing lots of conflicting opinions
on quarterfinals.
I don't know why I have to say
this, but please read the highlighted.
One,
you need a video if you're going to
be in a spot to move to the
next level.
Top two thousand for men and women.
Top four hundred age groups or older.
and top three hundred age groups younger.
And anyone kind of close could backfill,
could be lots of people.
You also have to prove you did it
starting Thursday at three p.m.
Eastern.
Don't leave it in CrossFit's hands and
play the victim.
They could ask anyone in a spot for
a video.
Yes, people will probably cheat.
It's unfortunate.
Don't be that person.
Hiller fit to point Oh,
we'll be out there doing his job.
Now, you know,
thanks and have fun out there.
And the post is here.
There's the highlighted video.
Upon request,
any athlete with a qualifying score on any
quarterfinal workout may be required to
provide video of their performance.
If they cannot provide a video with proof
of that,
the workout was conducted within the given
score submission window,
they may receive a zero score.
So that is in the rulebook.
That is in the rulebook.
And so at any point,
CrossFit can demand that you submit your
video.
So there it is.
Ben Smith talks.
He said, don't play the victim.
There it is in the rule book.
Don't not video your stuff.
And when CrossFit asks for it and you
don't have it,
you don't have any opportunity to play the
victim because it's right there in
writing.
I understand, Lito.
It does say that,
but you get Adrian Bosman saying in the
CrossFit Games podcast that you literally
don't need a video.
I know.
I know.
Adrian is a person who wants to believe
in humanity will do the right thing.
And that's noble.
And I love that about Adrian.
I love hanging out with that dude.
He is that.
He lives that.
And it's all about honor and
accountability in yourself.
But the reality of the world is not
that.
So, there it is.
Ben Smith, the man, the myth, the
Also,
there's been a lot of talk about a
lot of the quarterfinals not taking people
from the quarterfinals.
Semifinals live in person,
not taking quarterfinalists.
Only four of the ten are doing that.
And Magic City put this out yesterday,
which I found was pretty interesting.
A statement on quarterfinals.
With no required video submission for
score submission,
a lot of athletes are questioning how much
the leaderboard really means.
We've also seen the conversation around
semifinals treating quarterfinals like a
box to check instead of something that
should actually matter.
At the Magic City Semifinal,
quarterfinals matter.
We are inviting athletes based on their
placement on the quarterfinals leaderboard
We believe quarterfinals matter.
We believe testing yourself matters.
We believe earning it matters.
So they are one of the four that
are using the quarterfinal leaderboard to
invite people to their live semifinal.
And I believe that's what that is saying.
Yeah,
we can complain about there'll be
cheaters.
There's no video submission.
There's none of this.
But if you want to be invited by
Magic City or by the other three
quarterfinals,
the other three semifinals that are
inviting based on the leaderboard of
quarterfinals,
you're going to have to do the workouts
and you're going to have to finish high.
I think all they're saying, Mark,
is the substance here is it's not just
a box to check to be in the
top two thousand to move on.
They are using these results to pick you
to come to their event.
So if you're just going to loaf through
them and get in the top two thousand,
you may not get picked to go to
their event or one of the other three.
They're saying you need to give it your
all if you want to be selected because
they're going to start from the top and
move down the list to select who gets
invited to their semifinal event.
SEMA, that's what it seems like.
The games are half invitational now.
And I hate that.
I hate that more than anything else this
season is that semifinals can invite
people based on past performance instead
of how they are performing during this
season.
That is the big,
that's the big miss in the season for
me.
I can handle a lot of the other
stuff because I think it'll sort out in
the wash.
But what I cannot handle is that you
are getting an invite to an event and
you haven't done anything this season to
earn it.
That's what I hate.
That's what I hate.
And I get what JR said and I
get what Mayhem says about you need to
promote the event with athletes.
I get that.
But there's got to be a better way.
You should not be basing it on previous
performance.
A season in every sport that I follow
and watch is all based on how you
perform during that season.
To have a season start with what you
did last year to get an invite is
ridiculous.
And I think Dave even said that in
his weekend review.
And hopefully because of that,
we can change some things up.
Um,
What happens if someone who is previously
invited to a semi but then doesn't have
a score which would qualify for semis?
So what you're asking is if they were
invited to hypothetically mayhem and then
they don't get a top two thousand score
in quarterfinals, what would happen?
That is at the discretion of the event.
I know that Syndicate Crown is only
inviting people that are still eligible to
get a spot for the games.
So if you are not in that top
two thousand, you lose your invite.
If you've already qualified through
another means, you lose your invite.
They are only allowing people to come and
play who can so that their podium,
their top three will move on to the
games.
There's no if then else statements.
If you finish top three at syndicate,
you're going on to the games.
Super simple.
And whether you like that rule or not,
I love it for the simplicity,
and I love that they're embracing,
let's make this easier to explain.
It's very easy to go to the syndicate
ground and say,
if you finish on the podium,
you're going to the games.
Everybody else, sorry about your luck.
When you invite people who aren't
eligible, then it muddies the water.
And then if then else statements filter
in, and then it's not just a direct,
you can qualify this way or that way.
The workout times are annoying.
March, March, March, March, March, March,
March, March, March, March, March,
I think that is like on the priority
of things that need to be fixed down
on the list.
So I was going to pose this question
to Corey and I'll pose it to you
in the audience.
And that is,
if you were king for a day and
you could change one thing about
quarterfinals, but only one thing,
you could only change one aspect of
quarterfinals.
What would that change be?
And mine would be everybody needs to post
their video publicly online.
And it looks like a lot of people
are saying video.
But Daniel has an interesting one.
Go from twenty five percent to ten
percent.
Paige Smith says, when it's announced,
you can go.
Mark says,
delete quarterfinals altogether.
I don't like that idea, Mark.
I'm telling you.
Hiller Fitz says, let me write them.
Yeah.
If I could make one change to semifinals,
it would be that nobody gets an invite.
You have to earn your spot.
Shana's on board for Hiller writing them.
Delete them,
go back to the Open Regionals games.
I'm okay with them being there as part
of the yearly test,
but let's call it the fifth week of
the Open.
There's a cut after week three,
there's a bye week, week four,
and then week five is the fifth week
of the Open where you are now not
only being tested on the workouts,
but that you can handle the volume of
four workouts in a weekend.
And then from that,
you go to semi-finals or regionals or
whatever we're going to,
we want to call it after that.
And then that way,
all the scores are together and you can
have a seven test open.
A seven test open, which is more complete,
more robust and more balanced for
everything.
And I'm actually okay with the ten
percent.
I think that's fine.
Unless HQ's telling me they need the
twenty percent,
twenty-five percent for money.
And if they would just admit that to
me,
I'd be okay with the twenty-five percent.
But I don't think it should be called
quarterfinals.
I think it should be a five-week open
with week four as your bye week,
week three as a cut.
Hexy Lover,
do you think the new CrossFit board is
open to suggestions like this?
I think Dave is already thinking in that
direction because he's talked about
carrying over the scores from the open to
the quarters.
He's talked about liking the regional
format better.
And actually,
if you go back to a regional format
and you are forced to compete in your
region to make the games,
then the promotion thing is out.
The promotion excuse for the events goes
out the window.
And you get a very simple start to
finish season.
That's what I think.
I think that people are already heading
down that road.
Is it the people that matter?
I don't know how much power Dave has.
If Dave has some power,
I think we're looking at maybe a new
season next year that goes back to more
that type of thing.
But I don't know how much the board
is letting him have.
Without a CEO,
the board is more in control,
or they've announced somebody kind of
interim without publicly saying it.
There's so many questions about that whole
structure.
I just don't know.
I do like that, Mark.
I do like the split leaderboard from start
of the open and you either say you're
competing or you're just there for fun.
And I do, and I, yeah.
So.
That's interesting.
That's interesting.
So the last thing
Velomania,
you're implying that some athletes at the
Invitational Semi won't qualify.
Who at Mayhem isn't going to qualify?
What you really want is the selection
should be based on ranking from
quarterfinals.
I do.
I'm not saying they're not going to
qualify.
I'm not saying that.
It's just a bad precedent to set.
You have a CrossFit game season and your
ability to get to the championship level
should be based on everything that happens
in that season.
And by inviting people in and giving them
a spot at prime semifinals based on what
they did last year is just against the
rule of sport period.
I'm not saying that Dallin getting an
invite to Legends means he's not going to
qualify for the games, and it's a mistake.
That's not what I'm saying.
But what I am saying is he got
that spot early and knows where he's going
and got a prime semifinal that a lot
of people want to go to based on
what he did last year instead of this
year.
Daniel says, if the NFL did that,
the Kansas City Chiefs fans would even be
more insufferable.
Can you imagine the NFL saying to the
Seattle Seahawks,
you won the Super Bowl last year.
You don't have to play the regular season.
Well, you do,
but you just have to go .
But we're going to invite you to the
playoffs now.
It doesn't even make sense if you apply
the logic to any other sport.
It just doesn't.
So on that note,
I'm going to head out of here.
I want to leave you with one funny
video I saw on Instagram.
And we've been talking about,
especially Sunday night and with Carolyn a
lot over the last couple of years,
testing athleticism in CrossFit.
And the reason that comes up is CrossFit
is very straightforward, linear movement.
There is no lateral movement really in
CrossFit workouts.
So how do we test for that, right?
And Rebecca Fusile made a video that is
hilarious about her as an athlete.
Anyway, she's awesome.
Always is awesome.
My favorite part is when Bolt ate the
chalk.
So, yeah.
And of course,
Carolyn has to come at me with an
actual sport that does base their field on
past performance.
And that is at the Masters,
you win the green jacket and you get
an invite for the rest of your life.
That is true.
But they can actually expand their field
beyond the regular field to invite the
same number of athletes regardless of
that.
CrossFit doesn't do that at this point.
They keep their athletes at thirty for the
games.
So there's always an exception to every
rule.
There it is.
Um, if you are doing quarterfinals,
you get to start tomorrow.
Hopefully testing is going well and yeah.
Everything is awesome.
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