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Sarah Jenks:Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for this great work. Thank you for Kate. Thank you for this team.
Sarah Jenks:Thank you for this opportunity. So it is.
Kate Northrup:So it is. Welcome to Plenti. I'm your host, Kate Northrup, and together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy,
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Kate Northrup:Hi. Hi. Thanks for being here, Sarah. Thanks for having me. This is such an incredible treat.
Kate Northrup:Oh my god. I'm so excited. I have
Kate Northrup:to just wiggle about it. Okay.
Kate Northrup:You recently had one of your reels Yep. Go viral with over 4,000,000 views so far. Yeah. It's like 3 point 7. Okay.
Kate Northrup:Well, by the time this comes out, it's very likely for. And it was about how as a professional priestess, you earn twice the amount of money a year than your husband who is a urologist. He's a Jewish doctor. Yes. Yes.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Yeah. And, what happened in the comment section of that reel?
Sarah Jenks:People were so mad about this situation, and I think there's so many layers to it. And I was so fascinated about it for many reasons. The first one being people are so threatened by the sacred feminine, and for good reason. Because the sacred feminine is the igniter of women's power and the inability to control us, and people feel that everywhere. And when it is obviously being supported by people and there is an exchange of currency that happens, I think people can feel that it's taking root on the planet again.
Sarah Jenks:And I posted the reel for a few reasons. You know, I think that, something that I am passionate about is normalizing being a priestess, because I was really afraid to be a priestess for a really long time. As you know, I've been in training for almost 12 years. I was fully ordained 2 years ago, but even at the beginning of my ordination, my official ordination process, I was still having panic attacks anytime I introduced myself as a priestess because priestesses were killed and tortured for our work. And just like any job in the sacred feminine, and we remember that, and we feel it.
Sarah Jenks:And so I grew up in a really traditional town in a very normal family, and I grew up where believing that only bankers and lawyers and doctors could make money. And I I also really wanted to provide a beautiful life for my kids. I wanted to feel like I could run a successful company, and and I just also wanna say, I don't believe that spirituality is for sale. You know, the things that we charge for are are transformational containers and our retreats and the deep holding that happens. But I am not a gatekeeper to the goddess or to God.
Sarah Jenks:That is just available for everybody. But if you want to come sit in a space that I have purchased, then we're just gonna have an exchange of money around it. I wanted to feel, could I have a symbol that I was just as worthy as a lawyer or a doctor or a banker? And Just as worthy economically. Just as worthy economically.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Yes. And it's been a really beautiful journey just for me, personally. Yeah. Incredible.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. There's several things. I'm not sure the order. Okay.
Kate Northrup:We're gonna start with the comment section. Yeah. And it's actually connected to the second question. I wanna know more why. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:For because you slid in and rightly so about being afraid of the sacred feminine. Why is that the most powerful force on Earth? Yeah. And why should we be in devotion to it Mhmm. Aware of it, and maybe even a little bit frightened.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. So good.
Sarah Jenks:So the first piece of archaeology that anyone has ever found, it has was the Venus of Willendorf from 30,000 years ago who was a symbol of the abundant I mean, she sort of looks like this. Right? Like, similar to what I looked
Kate Northrup:like when I was pregnant
Kate Northrup:with Ruby Right. As indicated by this golden calf.
Sarah Jenks:You know, and just this symbol of the goddess of the great mother. And if you look through archaeology and art history and what's so cool is that we only now know this because women are finally archaeologists. Like, men just sort of, like, not all men, but majority brushed over this sort of fact that the goddess, the great mother, was the supreme spiritual center of every single spiritual lineage all over the word world for 30,000 years. Okay? It's only been the past 1500.
Sarah Jenks:So think about 30,000 and 1500. Wow. Okay. So this time in history that we happen to be born in, we are at the end of a hairline of time in human existence where the sacred masculine has been the center of the majority of not everyone, but the majority of, you know, traditional religion and spiritual lineages all over the world right now. So I'd love to give a little backstory on this.
Sarah Jenks:So I found myself in therapy in San Francisco after I moved there. This was, like, 13 years ago now. And I Can you just share
Kate Northrup:the circumstances that were happening in your life? Are you about to?
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Okay. Great. Sure. Okay.
Sarah Jenks:So, basically, I lived in New York. I loved it. I was so happy in New York. I got married. We moved to San Francisco the next day because Jonathan was in his surgical residency at UCSF.
Sarah Jenks:So I'm in San Francisco as a preppy, like, newly all over the Internet weight loss coach, and and I'm really struggling to make friends. And I find myself in therapy, and I'm going, you know, every other week, and I'm just, like, so annoyed with my body and just, you know, sad about not making friends and annoyed with my new husband and all the things. Just talking about surface level stuff. And one day, I walk into my therapist's office, and there's these, like, floor chairs on the ground. And I can smell incense in the air, and there's, like, candles that were burned down, and there's all of these pictures of goddesses all over the wall.
Sarah Jenks:And all of a sudden, my entire body breaks out into goosebumps, and my vision starts to blur. And it's like there was a switchboard change in my body where my old self left and a new version of me came in, and I recognized what had happened even though I had never seen anything like it in my life. And I look at my therapist, and I just said, what happened here? And she looked at me because here I am in my polo shirt and pearls and, like, beige pet leather pumps, and she's like, what is this preppy girl from Boston doing, like, feeling the frequency of what happened here last night? And she goes, oh, I'll tell you when you're ready.
Kate Northrup:And I
Sarah Jenks:was like,
Kate Northrup:bitch, I wanna know right now. Bitch, I'm ready.
Sarah Jenks:So, finally, I convinced her to let me in. Mhmm. And I sat in my first ceremony, and I had been just in this identity crisis because I had a really successful weight loss company. I thought it was everything that I wanted. I had married a doctor, and I just I still felt unfulfilled.
Sarah Jenks:And every time I sat in ceremony, I felt like myself, and I started hearing, you aren't who you think you are. And I had incredible clarity instantly. I knew exactly what I needed to do. My anxiety would go away all in the course of 2 hours. And I'm like, what is this modality?
Sarah Jenks:Where, like, I have been in therapy my whole life. I've read so many personal development books, and this seems to be the thing that is having me change. And so I asked my therapist, like, what is this that we're doing? Where does it come from? Where did you learn it?
Sarah Jenks:And she said, well, this is what we did for 1000 of years. And I am like, why do I not know that? And she's, like, well, it was erased. And so being the nerd that I am, you and I share this in comedy, you know, it's, like, freaking love getting
Kate Northrup:into the history books.
Kate Northrup:Go to the library. I think
Sarah Jenks:I'm to the library. So, literally, I went to the library, and I tried to find, like, any book I could find on the history of the sacred feminine. There are not that many. They're in the back of the library. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:And my experience was I just started reading because I was curious. And as I was going through this process, this is also during the time when I had my first child, and I am all of a sudden, like, becoming this crazy alien 19 fifties housewife, like, out of nowhere. I am, like, a highly educated feminist, and now I'm, like, making dinner for my husband on like, before he gets home from work and wanting the house to be clean and the baby to be in bed. And I am looking at myself like, what is happening to me? This is very out of character.
Sarah Jenks:And I am confused about, like, why do I all of a sudden feel the need to do all the dishes and all of this stuff and be the perfect wife and, you know Wow. And at the same time, I was super anxious. I mean, you remember. I was super anxious. I was really depressed.
Sarah Jenks:I was gaining a ton of weight, which was not great for my weight loss company. And I was just a complete mess. And I'm reading all these personal development books, and I'm not changing. And then I start getting into I'm reading the history of the sacred feminine, and I'm going into ceremony. All of a sudden, I'm saying no.
Sarah Jenks:I'm leaving the house a mess. I don't feel so much pressure to be with my baby every second of every day and be the primary breadwinner, which I was because Jonathan was still in residency. And Jonathan at the time was, like, pretty edgy with me. You know? He would come home angry and stressed out, and he made it my problem.
Sarah Jenks:And I was just taking it for many, many years. And finally, I just stopped taking it. And I asked myself, why is it that I am transforming more reading history books about the sacred feminine than I was reading all these personal development books? And so I dug in even deeper. And what I started doing was making timelines of the different, sort of, like, heights of sacred feminine societies and then its downfalls.
Sarah Jenks:Because I wanted to understand why was it we were all doing ceremony for so long and now we're not doing it anymore and why was it, like, why doesn't anybody know that the sacred feminine used to be, like, literally the thing for the majority of human existence? So I started tracking timelines and looking at the erasure of it, and what I realized was the number one tool of the oppressive patriarchy was to go into a society and the first thing they did was erase the sacred feminine. They would, like, immediately destroy the temple, the priestesses, the witches, the shamans were the first people they killed and tortured in public. And so I started wondering if removing the sacred feminine was the number one tool to control the masses, what would happen if we put it back? And that is my greatest mission in this lifetime.
Kate Northrup:I love
Sarah Jenks:it when I make you cry.
Kate Northrup:I can't ask the next question. Okay.
Kate Northrup:So that's what happened started happening 1500 years ago. Yeah. And, you know, it happened in Greece. It happened all over the world. All over the world.
Kate Northrup:Yep. There was the witch trials where you live, where I grew up. That was more recent. Yep. And so that piece that you said about when you would introduce yourself as a priestess even 2 years ago or 4 year however whatever Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. That you would feel panic. Mhmm. So I wanna highlight and I know you know this, but just for those who may not be aware, that's real. That's not illogical.
Kate Northrup:That's actually ancestral trauma in our DNA, signaling to us, it is not safe
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:To be this Yep. In the world because of the memory your body held of the women who came before you for whom it was literally not safe.
Sarah Jenks:Yes. And this is the thing going back to that viral reel. The fear of the sacred feminine is still deliberately implanted in some traditional religions.
Kate Northrup:Hardcore. Hardcore. Not only the fear,
Sarah Jenks:but let's just talk about the nonexistence. Well, so this was sort of the difference between, like, my Christian upbringing and other people's Christian upbringing. So my Christian upbringing was just nonexistence. There was nothing negative or bad or othering. We were the most accepting church community I've, like, ever heard of.
Kate Northrup:What kind
Kate Northrup:of church was it?
Sarah Jenks:It was a congregational protestant church. And I was, like I mean, I really believe that one of the reasons I am a priestess is because of my minister, because, like, he changed my life. That's amazing. Yeah. And I'm so grateful for that, and we never talked about women.
Sarah Jenks:And so when you just don't talk about it, you don't have metaphors, you don't have symbols, you don't have stories to signal your own confidence and power, but what happens in some other traditional religions is there's a direct othering and you know propaganda that the sacred feminine is evil and wrong and bad. So not only do we have this epigenetic, you know, coding in our body, there are also places that are set up to, like, poke at that. Yeah. And so the thing that I always tell the women that I work with is that our epigenetics are telling us that we could die, but, actually, the worst that can happen is just getting comments on on Instagram.
Kate Northrup:Right. So I'm curious Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:As And we have to learn the difference. We do have
Kate Northrup:to learn the
Kate Northrup:difference, which is which is so much of the work that I do with people is healing same. Healing their nervous system. And one of the cool things about ceremony that I wanna highlight too is that for 1000 and 1000 of years, 30000 years Yep. To be exact. To be exact.
Kate Northrup:We have, as humans, participated in ceremony to find safety and peace and wholeness and connect with our source inside our bodies, which is an inherently regulating nervous system healing activity. Yep. So the work that you do actually is updating Mhmm. The coding on a deep energetic and physiological and lineage level.
Sarah Jenks:Yep. And they've studied this, like, and the body keeps the score. There's all of these incredible studies that show that when you gather in circle, when you sing, when you chant, when you are sitting on the ground, when you move through a set, you know, pattern of doing things, it does actually heal trauma in the body. They've tested it. It's so cool, you know, because I believe that humans evolved with ceremony.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Right? So it's just like imagine the way I sort of explain it to people and what happens for people when they sit in ceremony with me is it's like, imagine that we evolved like, all of a sudden, everyone started cutting off our left arm. And in 15000 years, we don't even remember that we used to have 2 arms. We're just walking around with one arm.
Sarah Jenks:And it's like, we're fine, but it's, like, not as easy. Right?
Kate Northrup:But we don't even realize.
Sarah Jenks:All of a sudden, there's this place that you can go that gives you your arm back, and you're just, like, wow.
Kate Northrup:Look what I can do and
Sarah Jenks:that's what coming online to your magic and your intuition and your remembrance is like.
Kate Northrup:And you do it through ceremony.
Sarah Jenks:It's like and you do it through ceremony
Kate Northrup:because it's like getting your arm back. Wow. Yeah. Incredible. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Thanks. Okay. You've taught me some things about history that seem very relevant to the conversation about women and money Yeah. Which we started with. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:How you're double out earning your doctor husband, which really pisses off the Internet. It really does. Because you're a priestess.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And it might for other reasons as well. But I
Sarah Jenks:mean, specifically But here's the thing that I always like to think about. It's like, if I were Beyonce, no one would be mad.
Kate Northrup:So it's like
Kate Northrup:I don't think so if you would, but it wouldn't it wouldn't, like, blow up the comment section in
Kate Northrup:that way.
Sarah Jenks:So it's just like we have to look at that. Like, if I just said, I'm a banker No. That's why. And I make more money It's so interesting. Or I'm a singer.
Sarah Jenks:Right. Like, maybe even if I were, like I mean, I'm trying to think of some other examples. People would be like, yeah. Well, just
Kate Northrup:I mean, I don't you know, when when the lady boss lady entrepreneur ladies are like, you know, I retired my husband, Usually, it's like a big celebration. We can talk about why that's maybe not a great idea. But, anyway Yeah. And that
Sarah Jenks:that's not my plan. Jonathan's a great doctor.
Kate Northrup:Well, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There's so much there.
Kate Northrup:But, anyway, you have told me some things that really re rewired me because they helped my body remember about the history of priestesses and money. Yeah. So can you talk about what was going on with the with the women who were the spiritual leaders of communities Mhmm. And finances Yeah. 30,000 years ago Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Or, you know, even 10000 years ago Yeah. Yeah. Or 5.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. I actually don't know the exact date That's right. When money started getting used, but here's one with the Venetians. With the Venetians. Okay great.
Sarah Jenks:With a pH. We can talk about that. So one story I like to tell is that the temple Juno was actually one of the first banks, and it was run by the priestesses. And in Europe, this when's the sacred feminine was the primary thing. So, basically, in most societies, whether it was the priestesses or the shamans or the witches or just the spiritual women, they were the center of every community.
Sarah Jenks:They held not only the spiritual center, but the political center because they were to had direct they were believed to have direct I believe all genders have direct connection to God. Absolutely. FYI. But, they believed that the women had direct connection with the divine, and they would channel what was meant to be done with the community, how to keep it fair, how to keep it equal, how to make sure everybody was taken care of. And resources, whether it was food or care or shelter and then later money, how it was the best way to get distributed for everyone's needs to be met.
Sarah Jenks:And I just love this so much because part of the erasure of the sacred feminine is erasing the memory of this. So imagine going to school in 2nd grade and learning about Greek mythology or Greek life. My son in 4th grade is learning about it right now. Oh my god. So this is a great just a quick aside.
Sarah Jenks:He's like, mom, I learned about Hades today. I'm like, awesome. What did you learn about Persephone? He goes, who's Persephone? I'm like, what the fuck?
Sarah Jenks:I just like I we
Kate Northrup:have so much work to do.
Sarah Jenks:And but, like, imagine if he's learning about Hades and he's learning about Juno and the temple of Juno and how it was a bank run by women. That's that information changes how we see ourselves, and so I just think it's super important. And then the other thing that I love to talk about is that women made money through the spiritual and healing arts. It was a huge industry. It was the original medicine.
Sarah Jenks:It was the original family care. It was, you know, how we tended to our plants and our food and how we tuned into each other and healed each other and connected with each other and, you know, navigated wars and navigated peace treaties, and we earned money for that or at least gained resources depending on what the systems of currency were. And it was those jobs that were targeted and erased in the burning times in Europe where because the doctors wanted all the people to go to them. So you can imagine the healing that's happening in my relationship, you know, also Jonathan is for sure a healer.
Kate Northrup:Oh, for sure.
Sarah Jenks:And that's the cool thing that happens.
Kate Northrup:What doctors
Sarah Jenks:actually are? Yeah. This is I have a client who's an ultrasound technician, and she's realizing she's actually a sound healer. So, you know, so we come in with this knowing of our healing abilities, and because there are not jobs right now that people know about, it's changing. We come in as a sound healer, and we look around, and we go, oh, I must be an ultrasound technician.
Sarah Jenks:Right? It's, like, so cool. So, like, Jonathan came in as a medicine man, and he's looking around, and he's like, oh, I must be a doctor. To heal penises. To heal penises, which is all about the sacred masculine, and also, I mean, Jonathan's actually really here for the women.
Sarah Jenks:You know? He's here to, like, help heal women through the men Exactly. Which I just I'm so proud of him.
Kate Northrup:So beautiful. He's such an incredible man. Thank you. I will thank you as if it was something I did. He's gonna travel.
Kate Northrup:I married him. It was fun. You helped to draw out I did. The best in him. So I think you can say Okay.
Kate Northrup:Thank you. You could take a little bit of credit. Thank you. Yeah. It was a good substrate
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And you worked well together. Tell me about this is a really important hit piece of history that I share a lot. Mhmm. So something that happens in my community Mhmm. Is that women will be working on healing their relationship with money.
Kate Northrup:Yep. And they will possibly be sometimes they're making their own money. Sometimes they're being supported by their husband Yep. Or their other partner. Sometimes they come upon this big inheritance.
Kate Northrup:Sometimes abundance comes in in all these different ways. Yep. And they, because of our conditioning
Sarah Jenks:Yep.
Kate Northrup:Discount any abundance that does not come directly through Yep. Their earning it in our current economic system of, like, I've traded hours $4. Yep. And something that you taught me was about the financial relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Yep.
Kate Northrup:And can you talk about that? I think people need to hear this. Absolutely.
Sarah Jenks:Okay. So
Kate Northrup:And in case it's not clear how it's related, I'll tie that up in a minute.
Sarah Jenks:Okay. So the Essenes were a group of Hebrews that left the Hebrew religion when the rabbis started pushing out the women. So it used to be, I mean, in every religion, that the women and the men were both the heads of the spiritual communities and the religion at the same time. There was a great mother and a great father. The male rabbis wanted to start to aggregate power.
Sarah Jenks:They started pushing out the women, but the Essenes went into the mountains, and they started preparing for the next teacher to come along. They started getting visions that this incredible man and woman were going to come to reimprint that men and women are meant to lead together. So when you were in a scene, you would go to Egypt to train within the ancient mysteries of the temples of Isis and the temples of Dendara. Temples of Isis are, like an ancient ceremonial lineage, and the temple of Dandara is an anointing lineage. So mother Mary, whose name was Miriam, when she was coming of age, she was sent to Egypt to get trained in both of these temples, and she learned we're just gonna go there.
Sarah Jenks:She learned how to consciously conceive a soul that was so big and expansive it could not be held in a normal body. That does not mean it was immaculate, not through sex. Many people believe that mother Mary had a sex magic, a conscious conception with another priest who also knew how to pull this level of expansive energy through his body, and they made Jesus together. Mary Magdalene, also being from an ancient line of Ashera, right, grew up learning about
Kate Northrup:Who's the Asherah?
Sarah Jenks:Asherah was the female god in the Hebrew religion. K. Mary Magdalene also trained in the temples of Egypt. So both mother Mary and Mary Magdalene, they're highly connected priestesses. And all around ancient Palestine and Jerusalem, the sacred feminine was very alive.
Sarah Jenks:It was alive in Greece. It was alive in Asia. It was alive in Egypt. It was just this center where the men were really taking over. And so Jesus came in to basically say, this woman, my beloved Mary Magdalene, is just as holy as any man here, and it is our love that is going to heal the world.
Sarah Jenks:And people did not like that. But the the piece
Kate Northrup:Because at this time
Sarah Jenks:at this time, the patriarchy
Kate Northrup:of the rise of the patriarchy.
Sarah Jenks:Of the patriarchy. Yes. And what's so important is that because all of these women were so connected to all of these temples all over the world, they were the ones who funded Jesus and Mary Magdalene's ministry. Wow. They were the bank rollers.
Kate Northrup:Back to the Bank of Juno, and I know that's something different, but, like
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Like, you haven't read about where
Kate Northrup:holding the money.
Sarah Jenks:The temples were holding the money. The priestesses were holding
Kate Northrup:the money. Rolled Jesus' and Mary Magdalene's ministry. Now was was is it true that because she was a priestess Uh-huh. Mary Magdalene may have been actually a very wealthy woman.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. For sure.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:And here's the thing. Like, back in the day, wealthy wasn't the same as the way we hold it. Right? So, like, people didn't have bank accounts where they were storing money. It's actually like a beautiful metaphor.
Sarah Jenks:They just had access to shared money and because they had their own economy as women. And so that is a slightly different model than what we have now, but I think it's the model that a lot of women wanna create.
Kate Northrup:Well, what we know because you spoke about, you know, that time period before the last 1500 years of patriarchy, in which women were not only the spiritual, but also the economic centers of communities deciding even before currency, deciding how the resources would be distributed and that Right. You know, health care and food and all of those things. What we know from the data now is that when women are in charge of the economic decisions, we outperform men from a the perspective of of investments. Uh-huh. So women outperform men with investing.
Kate Northrup:Also, when women hold the economic power and I'm not saying holding the economic power over men. No. I'm just saying, like, equal amounts.
Sarah Jenks:Right?
Kate Northrup:Yep. Although I don't think the studies have been done because I'm not sure exactly where it exists, where there's a society where there is equal. So Right. The data I have is, like Yeah. When women have more money.
Kate Northrup:Not more money than men, but, like, more money than they had before. Right. Okay.
Kate Northrup:I love that. Just to
Kate Northrup:be clear Okay. I love that. So when when we give more economic power to women Uh-huh. What we see is that the everyone's education improves. Everyone's health outcomes improve.
Kate Northrup:Addiction goes down. Development Amazing. Goes up. It's amazing. Well-being in communities goes up.
Kate Northrup:And so what we're seeing now in the year 2024 is exactly what you're speaking to Mhmm. From any time before the last 1500 years. It's like when women's needs are met and when we have access to financial power and decision making and agency, everyone's needs get met. Yeah. Everyone does better when women have access and are conduits of resources.
Kate Northrup:Not necessarily having, you know, bajillions in their bank account Right. But access. Access. Knowing how to wield those resources and distribute them.
Sarah Jenks:Exactly. So this is the thing that's coming through right now that I think is really important. And it's it's that it's this point that I wanna make that an entire industry that many women were very naturally gifted at was erased. And so I think it's really important to understand how the Sacred Feminine Arts is just a new industry that people need to listen to and pay attention to and to notice when there's still internalized brainwashing
Kate Northrup:Oh, yeah.
Sarah Jenks:That you should not make money doing that.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So, like, specifically, what are examples of sacred feminine arts? Obviously, being a priestess
Kate Northrup:is not a femme.
Kate Northrup:Just one. So, like, leading ceremony.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Leading ceremonies are that's what I do. But people
Kate Northrup:By the way, you were definitely born for it. I will never forget flying in to Nisha Moodley's baby shower or baby blessing. Whatever. Blessing. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Blessing way. And you I knew you at that transition of, like, weight loss coach to, like, you know Well, that's when I was, like, in the closet about being a priestess. And you led this baby's blessing ceremony thing, and I was just like, I don't know what's happening right now, but this woman was literally born to do this. And I didn't even know what to call it. I wouldn't have said, like, oh, she's born to lead ceremony.
Kate Northrup:But I was like, whatever's happening here is pure magic, and she is channeling it and bringing it into the space. And you were so unapologetic about it, and I will never forget the feeling. And that was the first time I sat in ceremony with you.
Sarah Jenks:Thank you. That was incredible. Thank you. Okay. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:It's true. I mean, I just, like and it's so weird because I thought I was gonna, like, be an event planner. Weird. You know?
Kate Northrup:Well, you kind of are.
Sarah Jenks:I kind of well, that's the thing because it's like It's you like it's like the ultrasound check. Completely wrong.
Kate Northrup:Right?
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Okay. So here are some other things. You know it's like sound healers, tarot card readers, psychics, astrologers, any person that is tuned into any part of the unseen language of the universe. Like, there's a whole other language that a lot of us spoke when we were children.
Sarah Jenks:You know, when I was a child, I could hear the trees. You know, I would go into my backyard. I could hear the land. And then I just thought that, like, oh, that was, like, a weird childhood. I was just making it up.
Sarah Jenks:And then as I started coming to ceremony and coming into my gifts, I could hear the land again. And it's like it's magic is real, guys. Magic is real, guys. Guys. It's wild.
Kate Northrup:It's real. It's real.
Sarah Jenks:And to me, any you know, all these sacred feminine arts, you can just feel when I say it's like, ugh, like tarot card reader. Is that, like, really important? It is because it bypasses all of our brainwashing. And the brainwashing, just to be clear, I wanna, like
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Super build out the bread crumbs. Yeah. The erasure of the sacred feminine Yeah. Happened around 1500 years ago.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Was this around the same time as Jesus?
Sarah Jenks:No. No. Okay. So, basically, what happened was not
Kate Northrup:a historian.
Sarah Jenks:It's fine. So, basically, what happened was the the patriarchal powers of the time, like, the it was was it the Ottoman Empire? Sort of like the Ottoman Empire. They killed Jesus. They didn't want Jesus to be there.
Sarah Jenks:And then I feel I wrote this poem called Poor Jesus. It's just like I'll put it on the Internet. I read it during ceremony sometimes. Like, poor Jesus. He literally came in to talk about the balance of the sacred feminine and the sacred masculine, and then the same people who killed him for that were like, you know what?
Sarah Jenks:Will people seem to like this guy, so we're gonna take his teachings and change them to benefit us. So what they did was they created the Bible, which was not actually what Jesus taught, and you can go back and read the gnostic gospels, the gospels of Mary Magdalene. You can get in deeper now. Like, all the stuff is coming out, which is so great. Thank you.
Sarah Jenks:And they use the Bible as a tool to say, this is the way, and there's all these look at what Jesus said about, you know, men are the only access to God, and you have to give, you know, priests money in order to have access to God. Like, that's just not true.
Kate Northrup:That's the piece I wanna really make sure people get. Yeah. What was happening was a very real awareness of the power that folks who were connected to the divine feminine have access to.
Sarah Jenks:And the divine masculine. It's both.
Kate Northrup:And the divine masculine because we all, no matter our gender, have a direct
Sarah Jenks:line Direct line.
Kate Northrup:To God. Yeah. All of us Yeah. Have the divine inside us. And so whoever it was, for whatever reason
Sarah Jenks:It was Constantine.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Thank you. It was Constantine who came in and was like, I don't want
Sarah Jenks:Everyone having access to God.
Kate Northrup:Power. I wanna control Yeah. Everyone. And the best way to do that is to disconnect people from their direct Yep. Line to the divine.
Kate Northrup:And how what is one of the main ways that women connect to the divine?
Sarah Jenks:Sex.
Kate Northrup:Through our body. Yep. Exactly. Yep. Through our bodies.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And so we were told what about our bodies?
Sarah Jenks:That our bodies are dirty and evil and dangerous.
Kate Northrup:And that sex is dirty.
Sarah Jenks:Dirty and evil and dangerous. Yep. Yeah. And so this comes into so, basically, they created the Bible, and then there there are these waves of war that happened in the name of Jesus. And they would say know, they they'd come into a town, and it's like, anyone who doesn't believe in this is going to die.
Sarah Jenks:And they wrote all these things in the Bible about the body being dirty and bad, blah, blah. And so but and so they would use that as an excuse for any woman who was embodied or in her body or was not currently married to a man, she would be called a witch and get killed. And so imagine being alive during that time, And the only way you are safe is if you are married to a man, they also started taking away all of the women's jobs. So if you were an herbalist, if you were a healer, you would be called a witch and get killed.
Kate Northrup:The entire industry.
Sarah Jenks:The entire industry was wiped out. So this literally created the current economic situation that we're just starting to get ourselves out of where women were dependent on men. This was not the case forever.
Kate Northrup:At the time of this recording Yeah. Today. 50 year anniversary. Women being able to get a credit card in their own name alone without a male
Sarah Jenks:cosigner. Only 50 years.
Kate Northrup:Right. It's so recent.
Sarah Jenks:It's so recent. So this is the thing I want everyone to understand is, like, we are in it, you guys. Like, we have been in this dark period of an oppressive system, and it's only been 50 years that we can open, get, you know, get a loan and open our own credit card. Like
Kate Northrup:It's happening now.
Sarah Jenks:It's happening
Kate Northrup:right now.
Kate Northrup:Gate
Sarah Jenks:time. And so it is so normal to feel nervous about it. It's so normal to feel weird to make money. It could it's so normal for it to feel scary to own this part of our lives, but it is it is here for us to own this and to transform it and to not forget how it was violently taken away from us. The piece that I wanna bring back around traditional religion and what was happening is imagine if you really what it was about was money.
Sarah Jenks:So Exactly. If people believe that they can't access the divine, that they have to go to church to access the divine, and, basically, what they're saying is the only way to God and the only way to be saved is through Jesus, and the only people who can talk to Jesus are the priests. So if you wanna be saved, you have to come hang with the priests and give them money. Right? This is why I'm, like, so careful to not, like, do also do that.
Kate Northrup:For sure.
Sarah Jenks:Right? So my job is to teach people that they each can have their own relationship with the divine. It is not through me. Right? And when people come into ceremony, what I am teaching them how to do is have their own direct relationship with their soul and with the Divine.
Sarah Jenks:I'm not there they're not watching me channel. Like, that's not what's happening. I'm just creating the container and creating the environment so that they have the most direct connection to the divine. Yes.
Kate Northrup:Can I highlight the value that they're receiving from doing that though versus doing it on their own? Because we're not like, I can sit in ceremony by myself, which sometimes I do. Yeah. And it's great. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And I don't pay anyone. And there are ceremonies that you can also go to where you're not paying. Yes. You have at this time in history, it is not the most obvious thing to find the other people
Sarah Jenks:Right.
Kate Northrup:Who want to do this.
Sarah Jenks:Especially in New England.
Kate Northrup:Especially in New England. But even, like, where I live in Miami, maybe it's a little easier than New England, but really still not. Like, the people who are really, like, I wanna be in community with in this way
Sarah Jenks:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:They haven't there aren't as many who have woken up yet. Totally. And so you the the value that you're providing is multifaceted. Mhmm. I mean, the ordination and all the work and all, like, the the scholarship and the space holding and clearing your own container.
Kate Northrup:Like, all of it. And the service you are providing is also being a lighthouse for all the other souls who are ready so that folks don't have to do that on their own. Because, honestly, it is an incredibly amplified experience to sit in ceremony with these other people, and you have done the work to gather them.
Sarah Jenks:Yes.
Kate Northrup:I have. Get super beautiful.
Sarah Jenks:Thank you. It's true.
Kate Northrup:Your ability to create sacred beauty is, like, one of your most important skills Aw. That I don't think you talk about a lot in your business. And it really it it's a it's a massive difference setting you apart.
Sarah Jenks:Well, that's what I love about my priestess lineage, which is the 13 Moon Mystery School, is that there's all of this training around the material space of a temple that you are creating in ceremonial space, and I love, love doing it. And what you know, what's so special right now is that, you know, it's been 6 years. Holy Woman has been a community for 6 years, and we have, you know, almost a 1000 members all over the world. Incredible. And what's so great about this community is that it's really deep, and there's no ego.
Sarah Jenks:These are women who are really here to do the work, and it's just the most special group of people. And what I love about it is we have an incredible directory, and women get together for ceremonies now because what we do is we get together in person at my temple at my house, and we have a professional video crew come. And then women put me up on their TV in their living room, and they have, you know, 2 or 20 other women over to their house, and it's just it's the best. You know? And this is how movement start is in living rooms.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And this is really the church that so many of us have been craving and haven't been able to find because it got erased.
Sarah Jenks:It's true. It's true. And the way I also like to think about it is it's also an initiatory transformational container. And so it's really like being in the mystery school of life and having this opportunity to activate parts of ourselves that have been dormant. Like, I'm here to give people, like, their arm back.
Sarah Jenks:You are a major activator.
Kate Northrup:When people get into your space, myself included, just as your friends, like, stuff comes up. And and you were really you're you're wired for that. You're born for that. You you shake stuff up so people can wake up.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. My Amazing. My priestess nickname in my in my community is fire starter. There there you are.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. There it is. Okay. So you have 3 kids. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:10, 8, almost 6. Almost 6. Yep. Okay. And your You're
Sarah Jenks:really almost 9. You believe it? Annabelle's gonna be 9.
Kate Northrup:Girls are gonna be 9 this summer. It's crazy. Yeah. Okay. So you have a Jewish husband.
Kate Northrup:Yep.
Kate Northrup:You were raised Christian. Christian, and you are a sacred feminine a priestess of the sacred feminine. And some people Mhmm. Might think that those three lineages might be somehow at odds with each other. And then, like, what would what are you teaching your kids about God?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. What are you teaching your kids about you know? Because when I hear this stuff so I actually grew up in a household that was like, we worship the divine feminine. I mean, we did ceremony every solstice. We you know, I was in a documentary that my godmother made when I was, like, 7 about the ancient goddess cultures Amazing.
Kate Northrup:Which I never told you about. But, anyway I never
Sarah Jenks:we have
Kate Northrup:lost how I learned about Venus of Wildendorf. Lindorff. Right. Like and all of the imagery is so beautiful. Okay.
Kate Northrup:That was just, like, one small segment of my household. Yep. I was also raised in the rest of the culture where it was erased. Yeah. And so there's grief here.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Right? Like, it's really sad. I think that's why, like, when you talk about it, I just feel
Kate Northrup:really sad. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And so as a mother, like, how are you bringing this into your daily life with your kids
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:So that they're not at least at home Mhmm. Being raised in a household where it's omitted.
Sarah Jenks:Right.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Because the omission, while maybe not as directly traumatic
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:As the erasure and the violence, it's still really traumatic. The omission. Yes. Growing up in sacred communities Yeah. In churches where the women's stories were not mentioned and where God is worshiped as a man is highly, highly problematic.
Kate Northrup:It's very true. Okay. So what are you doing about that with her?
Sarah Jenks:So just like the example of Marshall coming home and not knowing who who Persephone is, I just take time to sit down with him and teach him about Persephone. So this is something that I always say, like, in holy woman, we're bringing back these stories, we're bringing back these histories, and I'm writing a book about it. I'm really excited. And I think it's our job as mothers to learn this information and teach our kids because, like, this is part of what the church brainwashed us around is that all we had to do was show up and be sheep and just listen, and we outsourced our spiritual education to the church. But Jonathan and I we call it home Sunday schooling.
Sarah Jenks:We have taken back the responsibility it's our job to educate our kids on the divine, and so we just take time to do that. It's and it's like homeschooling was not our path. I mean, you remember. Yeah. The teachers are better at teaching my kids than I am.
Sarah Jenks:However, I I could not find a religious head that was gonna be better at teaching my kids than I were. Sure. So I just I took that on. It takes a little bit more effort, but I I believe that every single parent can do this. That's you know, I'm always asking about what are they learning in history in school, like, what are they learning about ancient mythology, and then I'm just filling in the holes for them all the time.
Sarah Jenks:We talk about the phase of the moon as much as we can. So it's like a breakfast, It's just like or we go outside. What phase is the moon right now? So I'm always sort of quizzing the kids. I like to quiz them.
Sarah Jenks:Is it waning or waxing? How close does it seem to full? When do when's when do you think the new moon is? Do can you remind me what happens during an eclipse, like, astronomically and energetically? And so I know when I'm, like, quizzing them a lot, they they remember because they're needing to dig into their memory bank from, like, when we talked about it last.
Sarah Jenks:We do as many gatherings we can around the earth based holidays, and I bring in you know? Well, there's 8 of them. You know? So there's winter solstice, which is Yule, and then there's Imbolc, which is the halfway point between winter solstice and spring equinox, then there's spring equinox or Ostara, which sounds a lot like Easter, and then there's Beltane, which is the sex holiday. It's my favorite one, and then there's summer solstice, and then there's llamas, which I never celebrate.
Sarah Jenks:I should probably get into that. August 2nd. August 2nd. And then there's Mabon or Fall Equinox, which is one of my favorites, and then there's my absolute favorite, which is Samhain, which is, which one of the a lot of the traditions from Halloween come from, and then we get back into winter solstice. And those
Kate Northrup:names are from the Celtic Those
Sarah Jenks:are from the Celtic Pagan religion.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Which is both our
Sarah Jenks:And they all have there's different names of of different lineages. That is also my lineage.
Kate Northrup:Exactly.
Sarah Jenks:I have Celtic blood in my body, and so that's why I use those names. Beautiful.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. So you do those earth based celebrations to the degree that is possible with 3 kids and a very full life.
Sarah Jenks:Totally. And then the other thing that we do is we will, you know, we'll, like, smush them together. So we'll do, like, a yule Christmas Hanukkah gathering, And what I'm doing is I'm, like, basically showing my kids where the overlap is because I believe that we can preserve traditions of our upbringing and of our religions without feeling like they are in competition with each other. You know? It's like we can't because this was the whole thing when Jonathan and I were getting married.
Sarah Jenks:People like, how are you gonna raise your kids? I'm like, what are you even talking about? Like, it is just made up Totally. That having multiple faiths in a house dilutes the other faith. Like, my kids are so effing Jewish.
Sarah Jenks:It's, like, hilarious, and they are so sacred feminine too. Like, it's just it's just the same thing.
Kate Northrup:It is the same thing. One of my best friends in college, I remember one day we were sitting down and talking about, what we believe about God and the world, and I said, I was just like, you know, were you raised in a religion? What what is your perspective? Like, how do you connect? Whatever.
Kate Northrup:And she said, I just feel like there's so much magic. Why choose? It's so exactly. It's the perfect summary of connection to the Vine.
Sarah Jenks:Like and everyone has a different venue that matches their system and their DNA that gives them the biggest felt experience of the divine. For some people that may be going to church, for some people that may be sitting in ceremony with me, for some people may just be lying on the ground in the woods, because all of our bodies are made differently. All of our lineages are different, and so it's just so important to go find the place that resonates with you. And that's why I was so happy to finally find this specific lineage. And I tried other ones.
Sarah Jenks:You know? I, like, really went around and tried all the different things, but I'm like and I just I came home to 13 Moon because it was the place where I felt the most like me, and I felt the most alive. There's something about the technologies and the way that we uniquely hold ceremony that just did it for me, but that's not gonna be the case for everyone. But I just knew that this specific set of technologies was so powerful for me. I wanted to bring it to the world and give people easier access to it.
Kate Northrup:One of the things you've said for years Mhmm. That it took me, like, a really long time to understand. First of all, the first long while you said you were a priestess, I really didn't know what that meant.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. No one does. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:Just so you know.
Kate Northrup:I I really get it now. And, also, you were, like, the most important thing for women is that they have a sacred practice. Yes. And I just was like,
Sarah Jenks:what? Okay.
Kate Northrup:So Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I get it now. Yeah. What is a sacred practice? Why is that so important as literally the cornerstone of your entire life?
Sarah Jenks:Okay. So when the sacred feminine was removed, part of the reason they did that was so women lost their center. When women lose their center and they do not know who they are, what happens and women care deeply. Right? We are so loving.
Sarah Jenks:And if we don't have our own direction, we're just gonna get on somebody else's boat. So what has happened in our society is that women have grown accustomed to being on, like, 30 other boats and just, like, jumping from boat to boat. How can I help you with your boat? How can I help you with your boat? How can I help you sail this ship?
Sarah Jenks:Right? Here I am ready to help. You know? Oh, I Right? And so what a sacred practice does is it brings us back to our ship and our boat and our rudder.
Sarah Jenks:Where do where are we going? Where do we need to trim our sails to get on our path? And when we know where we're going and when we have clarity, we can pick and choose what other boats are related to our boat or helpful or you know what I mean? And that we don't just we're not, like, blah. We're just helping everybody all the time.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. And I find that when women get really clear on their ship and where they're going The mothership. The mothership. Thank you for finishing my analogy. We end up helping more people.
Sarah Jenks:Yes. By being on our unique path that we I believe this is my just my opinion. I believe that we each came into this lifetime with a thing we were meant to do, with a very clear mission and purpose, and I like to say responsibility. It's like I believe that before we came in, there's just, like, someone stands up there. It's like, okay.
Sarah Jenks:The these are the jobs. This is what's needed for humanity to evolve, like, around this time. Who's gonna be responsible for this thing? You know? And we're just like, well, I guess I'll take that one.
Sarah Jenks:Fuck. Yeah. You know?
Kate Northrup:Well, I guess I'll do the priestess.
Sarah Jenks:I guess I'll do that. So I have experienced when women feel what their responsibility is. And then when we get on board with that, there's a there's a chain reaction that happens. You know, one thing I like to say is, like, when we turn on our lights, it helps other people see their light switch in the dark. A 100%.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And you do that for me every day. Oh, thank you. You know? Thank you. I mean, the the verve which with which you live your life and your calling and with which you parent and the way that you lean in in your marriage and your friendships, like, it has brought me to a another huge level of what's possible.
Kate Northrup:Thank you. Yeah. It's absolutely incredible.
Sarah Jenks:And I just wanna say, I was not like that. I am only like that because of ceremony. Like, I was the biggest people pleaser. I was who
Kate Northrup:really hard for me to imagine you that way even though that's how
Sarah Jenks:I met you. Right. Totally. I was, like, I was in the transition Yeah. At the time.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. I was the biggest people pleaser. I wanted to be who my parents wanted me to be, and I was, like, the biggest chameleon. I would walk into a room. I could tell whoever that person needed me to be for them to be comfortable.
Sarah Jenks:I would become that person.
Kate Northrup:Which is a trauma response For sure. That is really adaptive Yeah. In our culture. Yeah. So, like, thank you to the inner chameleons.
Kate Northrup:It has gotten us very far. Very far. It's kept us safe. It is safe To be ourselves. Ourselves in, maybe not all, but most situations.
Kate Northrup:Most situations. Most situations. Yeah. I wanna bring this home.
Kate Northrup:Okay. I'm not sure I can tell this story. This is so wild. I'm also totally premenstrual, so it's
Kate Northrup:like extra which by the way, I wanna highlight that, one of the principles of the sacred feminine is following our cyclical nature as you mentioned. That's another thing I do with my kids.
Sarah Jenks:I announce when I'm on my period.
Kate Northrup:Tada. Yep.
Sarah Jenks:It's like it's just a thing. And they're also, like, all the bathroom all the time. Like, oh, like, I wanna see the blood. I wanna do this. And it's, like, great.
Sarah Jenks:Why? Let's go offer it. Inside
Kate Northrup:you. How does that work?
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Let's go offer it to the land together. Like, this is what it is. Like, this is, like, this is literally the only Oh my god.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. I this is a side note, but, like, but related. Yeah. When I got my period back after I had Ruby, I was I I think you called me or something, and
Sarah Jenks:I was
Kate Northrup:like, oh, you just had my period back. I think I was I was, like, 9 months postpartum or something. And you were like you were like, did you offer it to the lamb? And I
Kate Northrup:was like, you are so weird. No. And you were like, no. You have to. You have to.
Kate Northrup:You have to.
Sarah Jenks:I'm like, did you put it on your face? Did you drink it? Like, you just gotta do all the things.
Kate Northrup:No. And so
Kate Northrup:but then you were like, you have to. And it was the winter in Maine. And so, like, going out in the snow to just, like, drop blood in the white snow with the
Sarah Jenks:lot, and
Kate Northrup:there were contractors everywhere. But I did it.
Kate Northrup:I'm so proud of you.
Kate Northrup:So this is the power of having expanders in our lives who push our edges in terms of what we see is possible for ourselves, Whether it is, like, you know, putting your menstrual blood on your face or in the land or or whatever it is. Okay. Where where did What was the
Sarah Jenks:thing that you're crying about?
Kate Northrup:Thing I got crying about okay. So but I do wanna say this. The reason women get more emotional as we approach our menstrual cycle is because it is the luteal phase. It is the same as the waning moon energy. It is the same as the autumn energy.
Kate Northrup:It is the same as when the veil is the thinnest at Samhain. Mhmm. And so it is the time when we are the most connected Mhmm. To spirit, to the divine, to what really matters, which is why, hormonally
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:We get more emotional, and that's not And discerning. And discerning. It's not to mistrust that and say, like, oh, I'm so hormonal. Yeah. I so I just wanna highlight that I said that, and there's, like, wisdom here.
Kate Northrup:Right. There's a reason because I'm raw, and I'm, like, way more present
Sarah Jenks:Mhmm. To what matters. Beautiful. Great. The veils are thin.
Kate Northrup:The veils are thin right now. Yeah. And so you led ceremony at my mastermind, a year and a half ago. Well, not even. 13, 14 months ago, 15 months ago Yeah.
Kate Northrup:At the closing retreat of my mastermind, which I don't run anymore. And before you led ceremony, you did an anointing ritual with
Kate Northrup:me Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Which was one of the most powerful experiences of my life. Mhmm.
Sarah Jenks:And That's another really great priestess job, by the way. And one of my mentors, Sayana Dubrow and Khalilah Doughty, teach an incredible program called Rosa Mystica, just, like, quick pitch because I'm also a trained anointing priestess. Great. Yes. Yes.
Sarah Jenks:It's important to get training. Very. This is like Okay.
Kate Northrup:Save it. Can we
Sarah Jenks:talk about this? Yeah. Okay. So it's like
Kate Northrup:Coming back to the story, but this is important.
Kate Northrup:I'm sorry. It's great.
Sarah Jenks:So many things to get it. If you are going to make money through the sacred feminine arts, it is really important that we are creating an industry that is respected and safe to be a part of, which means that we need training. Yeah. And it would be like an architect building a house without going to architecture school. Like or a doctor doing surgery without going to medical school.
Sarah Jenks:It matters that much. It really does matter, because when you're working with energy and forces, if you do not know how to work with them correctly, you can really mess people up. So it's just super important. I think some people think I just call myself a priest priestess. Like, people say, like, I'm a goddess.
Sarah Jenks:It's like, no, no, no. I had a decade of training, and I was, like, really Which is
Kate Northrup:really longer than medical school. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:Well, Jonathan had 11 years. Okay, sir. But still I and I was put through the wringer. Like, I was held to an incredibly high standard. My mentor, Alain Khalilah Doughty, is an incredible teacher.
Sarah Jenks:I do not train priestesses. That would be like Jonathan teaching in medical school, like, a year out of her business.
Kate Northrup:When you're, like, in your sixties or seventies. You will. And I look forward
Sarah Jenks:to that. I'm excited about that. But right now, my 2 teachers, Aline Khalilah Doughty and Diana DeBrough, both chain train priestesses. Great. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:Okay. That's so important.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay.
Sarah Jenks:So I know I did you
Kate Northrup:a, you were born for this, but, b, then you got trained.
Sarah Jenks:Maybe just, like, because you're born to be an architect. It doesn't mean you can just, like, go build a house. Like, you have to get training.
Kate Northrup:Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Lineage is so important. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Like yeah. Great. So you do the anointing ceremony, and then I had an incredibly powerful experience, deep remembering.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And then I then I opened my eyes, and do you remember what happened?
Kate Northrup:Yes. Can you say a second?
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. You well, it was during a time in your life where there was some, like, friction. And this is what's so powerful about being in ceremony because you you sat up, and we looked at each other. And I said, I remember. And you said, I remember.
Sarah Jenks:I am a sex priestess.
Kate Northrup:Okay. I forgot that part. I'm glad you said that story, but we'll get into that another time. It was a good one. Like, it
Sarah Jenks:was something else. That was the thing that really, like
Kate Northrup:What I was gonna say, see, this is why Yeah.
Kate Northrup:This matters.
Kate Northrup:This is
Kate Northrup:why spiritual community matters because people remember things that you are so conditioned to forget.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I mean, that part I do know. Yeah. The part that I was going to say, I love that you just said that right now.
Kate Northrup:I love you so much. Yeah. But smart
Kate Northrup:part was going to I know I am. What I was gonna say is that, like, I woke up, and in that moment, I could see through time and space. And I was like, oh, like, we were together. Yeah. 1000 of years ago.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And then you led the ceremony in my because you were like you said, I remember. And then I said, I remember too. But then you something happened where it was, like, basically, like, it's good to see you again.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. Because you were that part of you wasn't online yet. And now it come online.
Kate Northrup:Yes. And this is what happens because it happened in the mastermind. Mhmm. So you know how you meet people who and this is like for you, but also for people listening mostly. When you meet people that you're just like, I don't know what it is about this person Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But I remember them. I must be in space with them. This is happening in my life at a rapid rate. And it happened in the ceremony at that mastermind where we opened our eyes and could see each other, and it was so clear this was not our first time sitting in that particular circle.
Sarah Jenks:Yeah. I feel body chills.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:And that ceremony was so deep. It was so deep.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And that's the power Mhmm. Of the remembering that, like, this isn't our first time. So for anyone listening, I just wanna say Mhmm. If you're having that kind of remembrance with other humans, you can really trust that this isn't your first time and that you have for sure been incarnated at this time where we were all standing around with God, like you said before, and it was like, okay.
Kate Northrup:I need someone to do this. I need someone to do this. I need someone to do this. And you were like, okay. I guess I'll do that priestess thing.
Kate Northrup:And I was like, I guess I'll do that money thing and maybe sex later. Yeah. Same sense.
Kate Northrup:Same sense.
Kate Northrup:And somebody else was like, okay. Great. I'll do the sound healing. I'll do the herb. I'll be, you know, I'll be a regenerative agriculture.
Kate Northrup:Right? What all of that. And so, like, we came in right now together on purpose. This is not by mistake, and if you're remembering, you're right on time.
Sarah Jenks:The thing that's coming up for me right now is that there is so much divine orchestration happening without us being aware of it. Because this happens to me all the time. You know, it's like with my business partner, Kelly, we worked together for a year and a half, and it was like we were just coworkers. And then one day, she came online in a different way. I came online in a different way, and we were just like, there you are.
Sarah Jenks:There you are. I remember. And now we're able to take the company to a completely different place because we're both we are both leading from our souls. And when we can do that with more and more people and I've I've had that with Jonathan.
Kate Northrup:You know?
Sarah Jenks:And there is a time, you remember, where Jonathan would leave. It's like the switchboard would change sort of, like, every, you know, couple weeks, And then he his soul would come back into his body, and I would be like, there you are. And now he's just here. Thank god. And it's just an it's a better way to navigate because you have access to every lifetime, you have access to the unseen language of the universe, and you have access to gifts that you've been cultivating and and learning for many, many, many lifetimes.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:And this is something our friend, Jen Racioppi, taught us where I remember she said to me, she's like, we are the transition team. We came in forgetting and then remembering who we are so that no one needs to forget again. And it's so important to feel the intensity of that role, the importance of that role, and the great responsibility and challenge that is going to be for us, and we have to take it seriously. Yeah. I love you
Kate Northrup:so much. So much, Sarah Jakes. So
Kate Northrup:thank you for everything. Where can people find you?
Sarah Jenks:Oh my god. I love you so much. Well, there's 2 ways. If you want to really cultivate your own personal practice, I have a great guide called sacred start. So if you just follow me on Instagram, it's sarah with an h, Jenks, j a n k s, and DM me the word morning.
Sarah Jenks:I'll send you totally free how to create your own morning practice. Hot tip. Just only send the word morning. Don't put anything else in
Kate Northrup:the DM. Otherwise, it'll screw up her little bot assistant.
Sarah Jenks:Thank you.
Kate Northrup:So just only the word morning. Don't put anything else. Sarah, blah
Sarah Jenks:blah blah.
Kate Northrup:It won't work. Yeah. Just morning.
Sarah Jenks:Okay. Just morning. And then if you want to join our mystery school of life, holy woman, you just DM me the word holy. And I just like, I'm so grateful for that community. We had a ceremony a couple days ago, and we just we blew it out of the water.
Sarah Jenks:It's amazing to see what happens when we all get together. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And I do wanna just put in a tip for anyone. If you do get the chance to come and sit in circle in person with Sarah, in Medfield, Massachusetts, It's I don't even really know the word. I'm just gonna say worth it.
Sarah Jenks:It's worth it. It's worth the trip.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Jenks:It's worth the trip. I mean, people people have come in and and it's not me. Like, I'm just creating the environment. I've been trained to create the environment, and people will come in and, like, they haven't been able to get pregnant for, like, 2 to 3 years. They'll get pregnant 2 weeks later.
Sarah Jenks:You know? They have been trying to leave their toxic marriage Yes. And they'll, like for years, and they'll leave it the next day. I mean, it is it is just, like, an initiate. And you
Kate Northrup:know I love efficiency. It's so efficient. It's very do less, have more. Yeah. Ceremony is really the way.
Sarah Jenks:It's true. And so if you join holy woman, you can come in person. There's usually 50 of us. We do ceremonies every new moon. But then I also do this incredible 3 day retreat on the land.
Sarah Jenks:We have a 150 women there. We're in ceremony all day. There's no video cameras. Like, we're just, like, in it, and it's really powerful. And if you wanna come to that, just DM me the word emerge.
Sarah Jenks:Okay. Love
Kate Northrup:it. Yeah. All of this will be in the show notes. Okay.
Kate Northrup:Great.
Kate Northrup:I love you so much. I love you so much. Thank you.
Sarah Jenks:Thanks for having me. Such a joy.