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Chronicling what went wrong for Middle America to future generations
We are digging deeper into the social / political conversation: Diagnosing and discussing the underlying issues we are facing as a society, the irrational philosophies and ideas we are being subjected to, and their disastrous consequences.
Welcome to Unsilent with your hosts Dave and Brian. This is not another current events podcast. We're digging deeper, diagnosing, and discussing what's really going on today, how we got here, and providing observations for future generations.
Dave:Welcome to Unsilent. We're Brian and Dave, and we'd love to hear where you think we got it right and where you think we've done and what we're talking about. You can do that on Rumble or on our website, theunsilentunsilentpodcast.com or various social media channels. But by all means, reach out and tell us what you think. So, Brian, what's happening?
Brian:Well, today, we exceeded our normal show prep time, you know, which normally we commit about That's right. Thirty seven seconds. And today, I think we went, like, a full two minutes.
Dave:We did.
Brian:And I joke about that, but I think it's important to explain to people why I do it that way. And I don't know. You can give your own perspective as well. Part of what I think what we're trying to do here is capture the mood of what's going on in this era we're in as people undoubtedly gonna look back fifty years or seventy years from now and say, what the hell are those people thinking? And I don't think we can do that if we script it out and we plan our talking points and things like that.
Brian:And, like, I'm gonna say this and you say that, and then we'll do I so I'm fully aware that a lot of things we say will be proven wrong, or maybe our first our first take is not the right one. And I don't want people to think that it's because we don't care. It's because I want it to be authentic and to reflect what our gut reaction is to a thing at least as much as the factual data. Does that make sense? Yeah.
Brian:My perspective.
Dave:No. And that that's the way I see it too. Our our stated purpose here is to reflect the mood, and the mood is more of a reaction in real time than a specific analysis. I mean, we do our own analysis in the process of this, but it's not like a scripted analysis you know, with 14 talking points and sub points, etcetera. It's just kinda
Brian:I don't wanna do a a point counterpoint CNN version from 02/2002. That's not what I'm looking to do.
Dave:Totally. Totally agree. Absolutely.
Brian:Okay. Well, that being said, a couple things stood out to me this week. One was it's a chart, and I you know, largely what we do is audio, so I'm not gonna bother sharing the chart, but showing house affordability home price affordability is the name of the chart. And it's you know, there's a range of, like, 60 on the low end of the scale and up to 300. The lowest point in history was around 1920, meaning houses were the most affordable around 1920, and they were on this index, it was, like, an 89.7.
Brian:It looks like it's a low point over the last this goes back to 1890 or so. And then during the depression, it kinda surprised me that housing was relatively affordable compared to, let's say, 1890 to 1910. It was relatively unaffordable compared to the twenties through the forties. And then post World War two, big spike up to around one fifty, kinda hovered around one fifty, one 60, creeping up to around one seventy five, around 1990. Right?
Brian:Mhmm. And it fell back down to one fifty again around 1995, it looks like. And then it just shoots straight up to two sixty six in 02/2006, and then, of course, plummets down to about one eighty in 02/2010.
Dave:Mhmm.
Brian:And now we're at about 300.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:So affordable was 89. Average looks to be about one fifty. The peak in o six before the housing crisis bubble was February, fell back down to about $1.80, and now we're at 300. So the reason I thought it's interesting is, again, it's just it's just another one of those indicators that things are broken. You know?
Brian:Yeah. I think that part of the romanticized version of the American dream and the real version of the American dream is getting to own your own home.
Dave:Sure.
Brian:And increasingly, that's not a realistic goal for people. Right. Specifically, it's not a realistic goal for young people. You know, I have a son. I have a couple sons that are that are at the age, their mid twenties, where they're like, okay.
Brian:I got my career started. I got my education done. Now it's time to start thinking about, you know, having a family and having my own place and things like that. And I don't know this realistically in the cards. I I mean, I honestly don't.
Brian:Like, it Yeah. It you either have to lower your standards so much to get a place you could afford and and cross your fingers and hope there isn't a housing crisis or bubble and plan to spend ten years incrementally improving that thing, or you have to way overextend yourself and hope you can survive for a few years to make it until you your income catches up with the cost of the house. All those are, like, precarious places to be, and that's assuming you can even get your foot in the door. Like, it's just it's just the the the the the scale has changed. This graph just, you know, is proof that my gut feeling on that is is not wrong.
Brian:Oh, yeah. You know, laments from young people about how this is all stacked in boomers favor. It's it's not just talking points. There's there's real math behind this. No.
Brian:It's that's one of the things that Neil is Neil and Howe or Neil Strauss or Neil Howe and Bill Strauss talk about the fourth turning is the cards are the the the deck is stacked in the favor of the boomers. Yeah. They they get all the benefit post World War two, and there has to be a reshuffling of the deck to make it so that young people can have a have a life that they that they've been told that they're supposed to have. You know?
Dave:Yeah. As you said, it's the most basic thing to measure the sort of financial and even societal success of a person or a couple is, you know, their ability to afford a house and make it their own and, you know, accumulate lots of stuff they don't need, all the stuff that attends to homeownership. I was looking at a house listing that one of my daughters shared with me the other day and it was the house was selling it's in Texas, so their property taxes their house costs are a little bit lower, their property taxes are a little bit higher. The house was thirteen fifty square feet on about you know, a quarter acre or something like that, or maybe less than that, maybe just an eighth acre, pretty basic residential home. 320,000.
Dave:And I was reflecting on that because the house that I bought in February sold for the same price, 320,000, and it was three times that size on 10 acres in rural Washington. So it's like and I looked at that and I told her, I said, I I know things have changed, but my gosh, I cannot I mean, you have to have a very substantial income to be able to afford that. I mean, I understand that some of the banks are changing. They're looking at forty year mortgages. Some of the banks are looking at changing debt to income ratios because how else are you going to sell a house?
Dave:That's just So you say, Oh, that I remember there was this I'll share this one with you. There's an old Mad Magazine cartoon back in like the seventies or something. It's this woman sitting at her kitchen table and she said, well, we finally made it. And she's looking across the table at her husband, I've always dreamed my entire life of owning a hundred thousand dollar house, and now I finally do. And then it zooms out and it's a little tiny rambler, you know, in a residential neighborhood, and that was considered like, woah.
Dave:That's you know? Yeah. You know, that kind of thing. And and and it does once you I think once you put put the screws to people, the economy to such an extent that they can't realistically see how their career is going to provide them the house, the most basic thing, house, car, all that, then you're really removing hope from the society. And that's a precarious place to be.
Dave:It's a very dangerous place to be because we remove hope in our institutions, we remove the hope in our own ability to achieve the life goals that we've got. And and then we wonder why the mood of society has soured so much.
Brian:Yeah. It it does feel like one of the undercurrents of our particular fourth turning and crisis era. This probably you know, if I took some time to think about how they wrote about it in the book pendulum or the book fourth turning and things like that, they probably spell this out to a great degree. But there's a there's an unfairness and and lack of equality in ability to achieve an outcome. Right?
Brian:So one of the things I saw a meme I saw a couple weeks ago, didn't think to save it because I it was way before I saw this thing, was it was it showed a, you know, a couple, like, 65, 70 years old standing on a a balcony of, like, a a flat in, like, Paris or something like that. It was like, here you know, boomers, and they they each had a a champagne flute, they were toasting. And they're boomers celebrating selling their flat for $6,700,000 that they bought for £30,000 and you know, or CHF30,000 or whatever it was in 1958 or something like that. You know? And there is this stark difference in people who rode the economic wave up post World War two and Yeah.
Brian:Bought a house for $25,000 and then sold that and bought a house for $75,000 and sold that and bought a house for $200,000 that then they could later sell that $200,000 house for $600,000 Right. And take that $400,000 and go pay cash for a really, really nice place or, you know, a Yeah. Downsize or whatever. That that modality driving up the prices and also coupled with people buying houses kinda like we were talking about the stock market a couple weeks ago. People buying stocks not on the value of the company, but on their speculation as to how much that price would increase so they value the stock price.
Dave:Right.
Brian:Same thing as how's happening for housing. People buy a house maybe that they don't need. They buy a $600,000 house instead of a $400,000 house because they think, well, when the price goes up, you know, the same percentage, I'll get more dollars in return on the $600,000 house. Well, that that drives up the price even further. Right.
Brian:And then you look at the Airbnbs, and all these things are driving up the prices. Well, young kids are you know, young people are are in a situation where they don't even they don't even have the entry fee of the game. Yeah. And so that is going to feed unrest and hopelessness, and hopelessness leads to revolution and and, you know, all kinds of not very fun things. But what choice do they have?
Brian:I mean, they the status quo ain't gonna work for them. Like, you know, they they they have to do something. And, you know, a lot times, you and I talk about, like, politics and and, you know, foreign affairs and things like that, but I don't think we can diminish the economics of what's what's driving the crisis and the generations of who's in favor and who who this system is working for, aka the boomers Yep. And who it's not working for, aka the millennials and Gen z Right. That has to be sorted out.
Brian:We just can't ignore it.
Dave:Yeah. Because I I do think that that if you base your formula, if young people base their formula on the boomer or Gen X formula, then they think, well, this is how it worked before, so this is how it's going work now, then whether you're talking about the stock market, whether you're talking about buying a house or career trajectory, whatever it happens to be, when that doesn't happen and you become even more disillusioned with a system that has, you know, failed you on the political level, has failed you on an institutional level, you know, has failed you on every economic level, this last level of your own life and the expectations you had for, when that collapses, then I mean that could be the economic tipping point that just turns everything upside down and leads us into an economic crisis that we haven't seen since the 1920s. Yeah.
Brian:Yeah. The other thing I I saved for for this week is this is from this is an ex post from Michael Schellenberger, who's, in my opinion, turned out to be one of a handful, I would say, honestly, of, like, real journalists, like, objective journalists. Like, he was I think his own account is he was a leftist, progressive for sure, if not a leftist. Certainly on the left side of the aisle. And now he's hated by those people because he kinda, I wouldn't say jumped parties, but he he stayed true to his Principles.
Brian:You know, principles.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:And, you know, I think he would say, you know, like, the the the party shifted around him, and he stayed in place kinda like you and I you and I talk about. Right?
Dave:Yep.
Brian:I'm putting words in his mouth. That's not fair, but that's kinda my characterization of who he is. I I believe him to be a really objective person.
Dave:Sure.
Brian:He doesn't follow party lines. He I believe he calls balls and strikes as well as anybody does, not adhering to party propaganda for your side. Right? The reason I preface this with that is because what he's what he posts here is is pretty jarring. He he he put he wrote a piece for it looks like public I don't know if it's public magazine.
Brian:I don't I don't know what what they what the the platform is or the the whatever it whatever it's if it's an e magazine. I don't know what it is. It's not, you know, it's not his sub stack. But it says here that the Biden administration labeled opponents of the COVID mandates as, quote, domestic violent extremists. And I thought, wow.
Brian:That I mean, I kinda have an it had an inkling of that. But to see that they actually had a lay like a like a legitimate government label for it that has the weight of having that legitimate government label Right. Behind it, I that was just jarring to me to see that that kind of intense label would be put on people who just didn't wanna be forced into doing things that were unproven. Just seems wild to me. That that again, it's one of those things that they wouldn't do that.
Brian:Then we kinda had a feeling they were doing that, but now we have proof that they did that. It's like, wow. That is just crazy that our government, who we were brought up to believe is the best one out there, and and I still say it probably is, would do that as to their own people.
Dave:Basically saying if you don't go along with us, you're a terrorist. I mean, that's that's kind of the vile Paraphrasing. Extremist, that's another word for saying terrorist, domestic or otherwise. Yeah.
Brian:Or at least potential terrorists for sure.
Dave:Yeah. Terrorists in waiting. You're you're being recruited by those those crazy people that don't wanna shut down the schools and their businesses because who knows? They may it might go from that to carrying a k 40 sevens down Main Street. I mean, that's just yeah.
Brian:So so, again, to to kind of put a a cartoonish slant on this, like so people who would say that closing a restaurant because it's indoor, except that they put tents up so you could have outdoor seating that replicated indoor seating, people who said, that seems kinda crazy to me. I don't wanna go along with that, and didn't wanna have vaccine passports and stuff like that. People said like, that kinda sounds like show me your papers.
Dave:Right.
Brian:I don't wanna go along with that. Those people were the ones deemed domestic violent extremists.
Dave:Right. And now, after everything has passed and we see that, it it's still it's even hard to believe now. I mean, it's it's it's something that when you you look historically, you think, did did that really happen or am I just imagining that? Is that is that, you know, is that actual but, you know, given that kind of reporting and we see, yes, this is what actually happened, the question comes to mind for me is, okay, well, why? Why did they do that?
Dave:So the couple options pop to mind. One of them is like, it's the only way we can control these people and get them to do what's good for them by taking the vaccine and standing the scientifically established six feet away from other people. I say that with air quotes around it because it was something that Fauci made up, you know, sitting at the kitchen table drinking coffee, you know, whatever. Or, so is that the reason? Or is it more nefarious, The reason being, well, let's see.
Dave:If we spin this this way, if we say that this is who they are and we're going to take appropriate action like this because they're disobeying a government mandate, is that more just kind of like testing out how far we can go with the rhetoric to force people into compliance with how we want things done? Or is it a combination of both? I mean, it it it could even be I mean,
Brian:it's that's a fantastic one requires a level of forethought that I'm not sure I'm willing to give them credit for being able to have.
Dave:Sure. No. I agree.
Brian:I I think it's really as simple as we don't want people telling us what to do. We're in charge.
Dave:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It it could where it will be. And and the fundamental reason I don't believe in most conspiracy theories, there's some obviously that we can't have to say, well, that turned out to be exactly like the the people who were banned said it was.
Dave:Yeah. But the reason I don't believe most conspiracy theories is because, yeah, it takes too much forethought, too much coordination, all of that to to make it happen, and people are too fickle to make, you know, large scale conspiracies happen, except when they do. So, you know
Brian:When they do.
Dave:Right. Except when they do. So in this case, I think a combination of incompetence and sort of a malevolent disregard for the basic rights of an American citizen Yeah. Are the things that that drove all of that. And again, you wouldn't have thought it could happen here, but it did.
Brian:Yeah. It reminds me that there was an exchange between Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, and Adam Krollo, who has a very successful podcast. He's a comedian. He's also been kind of a staunch opponent to a lot of this stuff. Gavin Newsom I I think I'm getting this right.
Brian:Gavin Newsom, I think, called into a podcast where Adam Carolla was, like, on a panel or, like, was a guest or something like that. And Adam Carolla asked governor Newsom, why'd you shut down the schools? And Newsom's answer was something like, well, we didn't know what was going on. We didn't know the severity. We didn't and and Adam Carolla says, right.
Brian:So why'd you close down the schools? Right.
Dave:Yeah. Well, exactly. It's it's it's if if that is the case, if that is indeed true, or to actually, I should say it this way. To the extent that that is true, not to the extent that it was influenced by teachers' unions or influenced by other factors, it still brings up the question of leadership and of free choice and of do we have a controlled society or do we have a society where people can decide to what measures to take to prevent it? And and, you know And
Brian:how much how much rights do the citizens have against government overreach? And the answer in that case was in California and Washington and Oregon and many other states, the answer was not much.
Dave:Very little.
Brian:Yeah. Very little. Push came to shove, they they put their foot down and required people to to obey or be labeled this domestic violent extremist term
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:With all the the the complications and consequences that come with that.
Dave:Yeah. You know? Yeah. You could lose your job, lose your lose your freedom. I mean, yeah.
Dave:Well Yeah. So here's a here's a hypothetical. Let's say that
Brian:Well, and don't forget, lose your status in society. Oh, yeah. Like, these people were completely pariahs. Like, they were mocked by people who had fancy titles and fancy degrees and fancy a lot a lot of influence both in the government and out of the government. They were they were humiliated, and many of them lost their livelihoods, like like, lost very prestigious jobs and, you know, high paying, you income jobs and stuff like that.
Brian:They lost it all. Not not just did they lose their ability to choose whether or not to wear a mask. That was, like, the least of the things, honestly, for many of these people.
Dave:And and now that that's happened and now that a number of successful lawsuits have been run against entities that have that did force that on us, where people lost their jobs or in some way were impacted by what we know was not true now. I mean Yeah. A lot of us said it wasn't true back then, and a lot of us said you can't take draconian measures unless you have evidence, actual evidence, not the science TM. Don't contradict me because I am the science.
Brian:I am the science. Yeah.
Dave:But now that that's all happened, is that playbook out the door if COVID two happened? Or if whatever or would they try the exact same thing again, and would it be successful?
Brian:I my well, of course, there's no way I could know, but my Yeah. My gut tells me it will play out largely the same way it did, and both sides will be even more emboldened to take to draw their lines in the sand.
Dave:Right. And that yeah. That's that's what I would think as well. And as a result of that, again, another potential tipping point. Yeah.
Dave:So, you know, the thing about the fourth turning piece is when I talk to people about, you know, the cycles and the generations and the turnings and such, it's like, well, what is gonna be the thing? No. No. No. It's not it's not gonna be the thing.
Dave:It's it's I mean, sure. There will be a tipping point event of some sort, but it could very well be any one of a dozen things that are all going wrong all simultaneously, whether it's foreign or whether it's domestic, whether it's social, whether it's government overreach, whether it's red versus blue, whether you know, you pick pick your poison. Everything collapsing at once is a telltale sign of a fourth turning. And then it's just a matter of which one of the things that are vying for the final event to tip us over the edge, which of those things is most likely to happen? And we won't know, I think, until it actually does happen.
Dave:But Oh,
Brian:and and I I think I think one of the things we learned around the election, I can't remember was it a a raccoon or a squirrel? It was a squirrel. Wasn't it? There was a squirrel that would they that the the state of New York, like, confiscated from the people, and you and I were talking about how Yes. There is many factors to Trump winning, and you and specifically said what?
Dave:It was both. There was a raccoon and a squirrel. They were both.
Brian:Okay. So the squirrel, though, was the one that got all the notoriety. The raccoon was kind of a a secondary player. Was a yes. The squirrel, for whatever reason, I don't know why, had had demanded an emotional entanglement from people that drove them to speak, to post, to act, to Yep.
Brian:Vent, to whatever. There's no way a year ago, UNI could've said, well, if anybody compensates an animal for somebody's house, that's gonna be the thing that really gets a lot of attention right before the election.
Dave:And Right.
Brian:And but you and I specifically said after the election that that had as much weight as other things
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:Like Trump getting shot in Butler. Like, you and I said, like, the you can't diminish the the squirrel. I can't remember the squirrel's name. That makes me Yeah.
Dave:It's something that ended y because it was a cute Yeah.
Brian:Yeah. Like, Rocky the squirrel or whatever it was, but there's no way we could have predicted that. It just it just it just took off. It just grabbed people's heartstrings or emotions or whatever and drove them to to speak out. I who knows why that was, like, you know?
Brian:But it it was. It was a thing.
Dave:Well, and the only way that's possible is if people's nerves and and and and kind of attitudes are raw to begin with. I mean, if it was Yeah. You know, because say that happened in 2010, right, or something 2012. Let's go for another election year. Say it happened in
Brian:'20 Or 2016 when Trump won that election.
Dave:Or even 2016, even as recently as 2016. Say it happened then. Most people would look at that and say, well, this was just an overzealous you know, person that hates squirrels or, you know, or or something like that. They would've they would've they wouldn't have given it more societal import than than it did than it did or as much as it did this time. But the fact that everybody is raw on everything, I mean, the the whole world is raw on everything.
Dave:Yeah. The littlest things a a pet squirrel that wore a little hat. I remember he had this little hat that
Brian:was So it was Peanut. Peanut the squirrel. Yes.
Dave:Yeah. And and Peanut had a friend in that guy's house who was a raccoon because this guy rescued him and and, you know, all of that. So, yeah, the the in the past, the same events that happen now in the past wouldn't have had the same impact. But because of the of the mood of the age that we're in, it has an exaggerated impact and doesn't move you know, that's why things that happen in a fourth turning that cause somebody to go to war wouldn't in a non fourth turning time, in a third turning or second turning time. Yeah.
Dave:Well, this happened. It's an act of terrorism. It sucks. We're gonna go find the people, bring them to justice into that. But now it's different.
Brian:Yeah. Yeah. So, anyhow, like you were saying, like, you when you when you talk to people about the fourth turning, they're always wanting to know, like, what's your opinion of what what the trigger's gonna be.
Dave:Right.
Brian:None none of us know what the trigger's gonna be. We'll know after the fact, but we won't we won't know the arch Ferdinand, whatever. Arch Duke Ferdinand. We we won't we won't know that until after it happened. Yeah.
Brian:We just know there's gonna be a thing that that takes off and and lights up the the the tribes.
Dave:Right.
Brian:You know? And they're both gonna they're both gonna dig in and dig their heels in, and, like, that's gonna be the thing. Who knows what it's gonna be? But there's all these little embers. Okay.
Brian:We're talking economic stuff. We're talking social stuff. We're talking geopolitical stuff. We're talking institutional stuff. We're talking national security stuff.
Brian:There's no shortage of potentials.
Dave:Well, and this is the reason for Kenny G that it's important and, you know, for any future generations going through any of the attorneys, it's important for them to look at the mood more than the individual event. So it's like, is there going to be a foreign attack on American soil like Pearl Harbor? Maybe, maybe not. Is there going to be a great societal question like slavery? Maybe, maybe not.
Dave:Is there I mean, there's probably not gonna be rebellion against the king of England again because that's kind of settled. But, you know, you you just don't know. All of those all of those things happen in times where the general waters were unsettled because if they would have happened if the king of England raises the prices on tea taxes by a penny or does something with rum or whatever in a non fourth turning time, yeah, people are grouchy about it at the local public house, but they don't confiscate a ship and throw everything into the harbor. And so I think that's, again, another way, if we project forward to the future for Kenny G to understand the mood of the times dictates the response to the events, not as much the events themselves. I mean, the events are important.
Dave:I mean, so, you know, China shuts off the Taiwan Strait. That would be a disaster in any, you know, in any era where 40% of the global trade goes through that, you know, small part of the China South China Sea. But, you know, the chances of that actually even happening during a non turning period are pretty minimal. Chances Japan bombing Pearl Harbor because of lack of oil, all of that stuff would have been less prevalent in a non fourth turning time and would have happened in different ways. So I think that's the most of it.
Dave:And that's the reason, again, we do this based on the mood of the times, not just a specific analysis of avoid this event and you'll avoid the fourth turning. It doesn't happen that way.
Brian:Yeah. I don't think it yeah. Only happens that way. So before we started recording, you speaking of the mood of the time, you were talking about music and how how you you've noticed trends in that. What what what are your thoughts on that?
Dave:Well, you know, so for me, I get a I get a kind of a time capsule look into the mood of other ages every single day because the music that I like is the music that I grew up with. Seventies, eighties, nineties to a certain extent.
Brian:To be clear, is it eighteen seventies or '8 or nineteen seventies?
Dave:Yeah. Well, we'll edit this out in the in the post production here. So anyway, to to move on, the the song that I was listening to on my way into the office today was one from the eighties. You'll probably remember this, Brian. It was a song do you remember that one?
Dave:It's by the police.
Brian:I I do. It was not my favorite police song of all time, but I
Dave:didn't remember
Brian:the song yet. But it but I I
Dave:was looking at this, and I was thinking about it. And, you know, you listen to it and, you know, it's all I wanna say to you, you know. And there's certain social commentaries, poets, priests, and politicians have words to thank for their positions. You know, so there's there's a little bit of social commentary, but the song itself is pretty lighthearted for the now the eighties was a time the eighties were in the third turning space, basically, of That's right.
Brian:Turning, weren't they?
Dave:Second? Well, let's see. Well, I I suppose it depends on the part of the eighties. Right? Like, '5 Yeah.
Dave:02/2005 is the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be
Brian:the third turning. Early eighties was second turning. Late eighties was third turning.
Dave:Third turning. Yeah. So between second and third turning time frames. So in in that timeframe, things were light more lighthearted than they were today even though there was commentary. That song was interesting too because it's on one side, it's very lighthearted, so the mood of that era was more lighthearted.
Dave:Now people in the eighties were looking more towards selfish pursuits and building their career. The self help industry was rocketing at that time in search of excellence, Tom Peters, all those things. Whereas you compare it but there was still some social commentary in that song, but not like it is today. So you compare the songs of today are I mean, most of the songs of of that day were they were about relationships and and things that, you know, like boy girl stuff, a lot of that kind of thing. The songs of today have most of them have explicit warnings on them because they're swearing in the songs.
Dave:Know, the vast you know, when when the the songs of the eighties came out and they're they were filled with innuendos. They were all filled with innuendos, you know? The the Cars song, you know, tonight she comes, you know, she's coming over to my house. Okay. Well, maybe that's what it means.
Brian:Yeah.
Dave:Or or, you know, Lorelei from from Styx, you know, tonight she's moving in, you know, oh, well, that's kind of slanderous. You're going to live together. You know? But to Yeah. Today, it's like, how many people are you living with?
Dave:I mean, you know, who knows? But but the songs of today also are filled with all of this deep mental anguish. You know? I I I think I mentioned this in one cast in the past where there was this there's a singer talking about, well, you can say all this stuff about how how I'm mentally deranged and how I'm an awful person, but I say this stuff to myself every day, so you're not telling me anything new. I mean, you know, if that if that those lyrics were popular when in during the or if that lyric came up in the eighties, people would have said, what?
Dave:You know, go to a psychologist. You're you're insane. What are you talking about? But that's a very, very common refrain across lots of pop and I don't get to listen to a lot of popular music. I hear it when, you know, my kids play it for me.
Dave:I'm like, dude, maybe I'm just getting old because every old person hates young person music. If you're in the, you know, if you're in if you're in the '19, you know, twenties, your parents that were born in the eighteen forties thought this jazz music that was happening. That's the Satan spawn music, you know? It should should have been classical music or whatever. But so it happens every year.
Dave:But then you go back even further from the eighties to like fifties or sixties, some of the popular songs were how much is that doggy in the window? You know? Right. The only place you're gonna hear was that Patty Page? I think it might have been.
Dave:I don't remember. Anyway, that was even before my time. Or the sixties. Look at the, you know, the sort of the enlightenment awakening era of the sixties and the songs, you know, the Beach Boys. I'm picking up good vibrations or, you know, all of these just kind of innocent, sweet, happy songs that reflected a mood of the day.
Dave:Not you know, it wasn't like everything's perfect, but they reflected the mood of the day and what people are thinking about. I was thinking about She's Real Fine, My four zero nine. I'm thinking about I'm a boy. I'm thinking about my car. I'm thinking about a cute girl.
Dave:I'm thinking about a cheerleader. I'm not thinking about how much Xanax my prescription gives
Brian:me. But when I mean, what what year did four zero nine come out? Probably 6065. '3. I don't know.
Brian:'65, somewhere okay. So all the big issues had been settled. Right? So I just I pulled it up. The first turning was 46 through 64.
Dave:Okay.
Brian:Second turning is '64 through '84.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:Third turning, '84 to 02/2008. Fourth turning, 02/2008 to they're projecting 2030, '20 '30 '3, somewhere in there. So when 04/2009 came out, there was no big societal things Right. To worry about because everything had kinda been settled. Now fast forward to, I don't know, '68, '60 '9, somewhere in there, where Joan Baez is is singing her kinds of songs.
Dave:Right.
Brian:Well, now we're in the the cult the the the spiritual awakening.
Dave:Right.
Brian:Right? Now we've gotta we've got the institutions in place, now we gotta fix our spiritual stuff. Right? So late sixties, you know, MLK getting assassinated, RFK Yep. All those, you know, those things in late sixties kinda kicked off the the the third turning where now we got problems again, and a lot of the music was about that.
Brian:But in the eighties, you know and I I kinda look at the the Pendulum book more as if it to, like, music and stuff like that because they text about going from the me to the we extreme of the pendulum. Exactly. Well, the eighties was very much a we decade or me decade. It was, you know, Wall Street movie, the movie Wall Street. Weed is good.
Brian:You know, I I always joked about, like, '84 is when Michael Jackson did the moonwalk. Like, the only dance you could do by yourself. You know?
Dave:Right. Exactly.
Brian:Very much look at me, and breakdancing was all about look at me and all that kind of stuff. And the other end of the spectrum where we're at now and then back in the sixties or whatever, it's more about the wee stuff. You know what I'm saying?
Dave:Well, yeah. I look at songs, so I listen to stuff. I wasn't listening to much music that my mom didn't share with me in the sixties because I was a little kid. But, you know, so it was Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass and to me always how how these people are still alive. Like, Keith Richard, how is he still alive?
Dave:Anyway, not another story altogether. It's Lee Living, man. I I yeah. Lee Living. There you go.
Dave:I'll go with that hypothesis. But, you know, I I listened to some of those songs from that period where we were transitioning in, the late sixties, like the the hippies and the flower children. The one of one of the ones I like from then is Shambhala by Three Dog Night. You know? Are you are you on the road to Shambhala?
Dave:You can tell them by the flowers in their hair. You know? I mean, just just this kind of awakening spiritual I mean, you know, those of us who were conservative Christians spiritually then thought these guys are loon bins, but, you know, flowers in their hair. That doesn't mean but but it was. It was a spiritual movement.
Dave:Or look at the other songs that were kind of cultural, nonconnected. You know, Jeremiah was a bullfrog, Joy to the World. Right? Jeremiah was a bullfrog. Was a good friend of mine.
Dave:You know?
Brian:So Yeah.
Dave:Those things in that day would be shunned and looked down upon. Like, how can you listen to such trite nonsense? Or but, you know, it it reflected the times that they were in. So when you see the the music of the day turn coarse and turn harsh and turn into hopelessness. A lot of the music of today is hopelessness.
Dave:It's just expressing it's trying to get the hopelessness out of the individual and spoken out loud so maybe I can find others that relate to, you know, all the drugs I have to take to maintain myself from bipolar disorder or whatever somebody
Brian:Well, and and we started off this episode talking about the the unaffordability of housing. And you specifically said it removes hope. Yes. Like, these things are all connected.
Dave:Yeah. They are. They they all remove they're they're all either a reflection of the hope that's being removed or and and and the problem, I think, with the hopelessness piece is when we look behind us and say everything that humans can try, we have tried. And still, we have not achieved utopia. Still, we have not even achieved the promise of winning World War two.
Dave:I mean, we've made lots of progress. We've done all sorts of amazing things, but human beings are essentially half glass, half full entities. I mean, we're we're gonna look first, especially with lack of knowledge. When we look at the future, the I mean, we can look at the past and say, yeah. World War two.
Dave:You know, we conquered Pearl. You know, all we we conquered the the two great evil empires and, you know, all this stuff. And but but that's our perspective now looking backwards. They were looking forwards and thinking, are we gonna even do I need to learn German? Do I need to learn Japanese?
Dave:I mean Right. Our fleet was destroyed. We don't have, you know, we don't have the capacity to fight back right now. You know, how how is all this gonna work? So going forward from here, when people look from here to the future, they we take what we experience now and we project.
Dave:We say, okay. Well, this is the way it is now. Things have been generally unwinding for the last, you know, almost eighty years now, from this great high, so all we can see is a downward path. Generally, people all the people can see is a downward path. And so reacting to that downward path is is what brings us to this mood that we're in in the place we're in.
Dave:Now as I look at it, and one of the, I think, the benefits of understanding the fourth turning, to understand the turnings, to understand the general societal cycles is to understand that even if you're on a downward path, chances are if you survive the downward path, there's going to be an upward path. There's going to be a recovery. There's there's always been a recovery. Now, you know, people start letting nukes fly willy nilly across the planet. Maybe this time there'll be no recovery.
Dave:I don't happen to believe that. But, you know, you so you could see how people in society in general would despair and would lose hope in this time. And you could also see then the benefit of understanding that all this has happened before, and it's happening now, and it's all gonna happen again. So there Yep. That's one of the things that about this understanding of history that really appeals to me is that it does provide hope in a dark place.
Dave:I mean, I think there's also spiritual hope beyond that, but just if you just take it on the most base societal level, to me, that's one of the benefits of understanding the turnings and the pendulum and the seasons of societies that have gone back thousands of Yeah.
Brian:I I'm looking forward to hearing the the 04/2009 version of the flying Tesla or or the the the quadcopter or the the quad cycle or whatever that's gonna be. I'm I'm I'm looking forward to it, that's what we can be excited about and not the despair and and loneliness and hopelessness. And, you know, like, you're talking, like, if you're a young like, we were talking about the housing stuff earlier, but if you're a young person, you can't rely on institutions.
Dave:Right.
Brian:You can't rely on accumulating wealth at this point. Like, it's it's not a even if you were in the tech industry, like
Dave:Right.
Brian:Back at three, four, five years ago when the when the joke was, you know, for the coal miners who lost their job, the the the snarky saying was learn to code. Right. Well, those coders are being replaced by AI at at a pace already that is unbelievable. It's only gonna get worse. So you had your hopes put on learning the code and learning these things or learning these crafts or trades or, you know, technical skills that would advance you monetarily.
Brian:Well, I imagine that the average 22 year old is much more aware of how negatively AI is gonna impact their world than I am. Sure. Right? And I can see that these things, so they don't the economic thing is gone. Yep.
Brian:And if you, you know, you you if you've gone to school recently, like, you probably heard a a fair amount of the American dream is bad.
Dave:Yep.
Brian:And all these wars we fought, all these people who died, and all these beliefs we had were were bad and, like, that we're we're heading on the wrong path. And but there's no they can't quite say what the good path is. All they can say is what the what the bad the supposed bad path was. They can't quite they they don't they quite can't quite come out and say communism is good or socialism is good. Like, they can't quite do that because that would cause uproar in the community that they're in, wherever know, in in most communities, not all.
Brian:So all we know is everything is not working. And so what could you have but hopelessness, loneliness, you know, feeling like the world is set up for a different person's benefit, not mine.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:I I think that that that is a it will be interesting to to watch how the the music stuff plays out. The other thing I think about with the the foreturning is one thing is that I think, I don't remember if it was pendulum or fourth turning, but they talk about a new type of music. So a new genre of music is born in the first turning. So Yeah. Rock and roll was born in Right.
Brian:In the in the fifties after World War two.
Dave:Yep.
Brian:And if you think about it, how much music is listened to pre 1945, '19 '40 '9, in that range?
Dave:Right.
Brian:I mean, you've got classical music. You know? I you know, Mozart, I'm looking, was alive 1756 to 1791. Right. Beethoven was live 1770 to 1827.
Brian:Okay. So whatever turning those were in doesn't doesn't really matter. But that style of music is by and large the only genre of music that's carried forward past the last four turning.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:Right? You could argue that, you know, early blues, early country, early folk, like those kinda nineteen tens, '19 twenties, some of that carried over and and informed how rock and roll evolved. Exactly. You know, I mean, rock and roll was very heavily influenced by blues. Country, very heavily influenced by blues.
Brian:But, you know, Hank Williams hit the scene in 1949. Yeah. He you know, yeah, there was the the Carter family in the nineteen twenties, '19 thirties, but nobody listens to the Carter family today. They just don't. You know?
Brian:Yeah. Barely people listen to Hank Williams. You know? So any genre you pick, there's not a lot of people listening to stuff pre World War two. There's there's exceptions.
Brian:I mean, I I listen to blues from the nineteen twenties because I I like the blues. I so jazz, you know, there's some of that stuff, but nobody's listening to something that came out in 1870. Right. Nobody's listening to anything that came out in 1895. It's just not a thing.
Brian:So I'm fascinated to see what the new genre of music that's gonna be the rock and roll of the next Yeah. First turning. I I'm kind of curious. I don't know if I'm gonna love it based on the kinds of music that came out in the last twenty years.
Dave:I Yeah.
Brian:They'd have to do something radically different than what they've done for me to like it, and I'm not supposed to like it. That's okay. But
Dave:It's generated.
Brian:Really interested in, like, what that genre of music is. It's gonna take the next generation by storm and and ingratiate them to each other. And, like, what's gonna get them to convene in dance halls or whatever that's gonna look like in twenty years or whatever?
Dave:Well, you you you would think that so there's there's themes. It's it's easy enough to pick apart the themes of the lyrics because those are those are more simple, I think, to define than like musical styles and this type of thing in terms of whether it's hopeful or whether it's downbeat. I mean, the things that come out of in the first turnings tend to be, I think, at least as I can see it, tend to be more upbeat, tend to be more hopeful. Know, they tend to be
Brian:They're fun. They're about love, like romance for young Yeah.
Dave:Yeah. Some aspiration. You know, I want the doggy in the window. How much is it? Know, so just fun things.
Dave:So you would think then that the next the first turning of the late 2030s and for twenty years or so after that or early 2030s and after that, after the crisis is dealt with, you would think that it would be, again, you know, more upbeat, more aspirational. I mean, I for me, I'm counting on a return to disco.
Brian:Disco? I did not see that coming. Okay. I did not expect you to say that. Looking for a return to disco.
Dave:You know what? That's very I mean, come on. The the the things that were the things that were, you know, classic in 1979, you know, freak out. That was great. Freak out.
Dave:You know?
Brian:Or Car wash? I mean, the yeah. I mean, you can car wash two point o.
Dave:Yeah. Exactly. You would maybe yeah. It'll be flying Tesla wash. Because, I mean, the like, wash.
Dave:It's a perfect example. What a fun song. You know? The boss don't mind sometimes if you act a fool. I mean, so it's just it's and they're talking about Yeah.
Dave:Lyrics to that. That's awesome. On a hot summer day. I mean, how cool is that? Or take a look at I mean, take a look at of of a lot of the songs of that era.
Dave:Dancing Queen, you know, by Abba or Anything by Donna Summer. Anything by Donna Summer. Well, you know, in in you like, Moonlight Feels Right by Starbuck. I don't you don't know if you remember that one or not. You probably don't
Brian:I remember that one.
Dave:That that's a little bit prior to your That's
Brian:a that's a deep cut disco. I don't I don't I'm not I'm not that into disco.
Dave:That one's that one was more like a pop song by a by a group called Starbuck. But it was it was fun. It was, you know, it was aspiration. You know? So all of those songs from that day.
Dave:And so, like, in in even in your youthful period of time, you're younger than me. But even in your youthful time, the the a lot of the songs at least were more fun and aspirational. So the the things that set our prep our path and our, you know, mentality and and who we are today were based on a foundation, a musical foundation, and and even entertainment. I mean, look, gremlins. Right?
Dave:That was kinda it was it was dark that killed people, but it was also fun. You know, these cute magwai and the cute little things. Or all the things that happened back then. ET, you know, the ET was a cute little guy or, you know, what, Close Encounters of the Third. All of these different movies of those times set the attitude that you and I have now that is not this depressed attitude that a lot of people that grew up, you know, born like in the later times that from the 2000s on when we survived Y2K, that that their their attitude was formed by that, you know, sort of because music is emotion.
Dave:It's just it's pure emotion. Yeah. And so that set the tone for them today, just like our upbringing set the tone for how we view things today.
Brian:Yeah. I think that music oscillates on a faster like, more of a heartbeat and and also has this overarching thing. Right? So, like, if you look at the the fifties, you know, that'll be the day and and very fun. Yeah.
Brian:Bill Bill what's his name? Bill Haley. Yeah. You know, like
Dave:Rock around
Brian:the very fun. And and then and then towards the late sixties, it got a little more melancholy, a little more serious, some more of the Joan more folksy Joan Baez, Jimi Hendrix, and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And and then we kinda got into the era where, like, pretty much it was all about sex and drugs
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:Through the seventies and and kinda hit his zenith with with disco
Dave:Oh, yeah.
Brian:You know, and the pop stuff, like the Car Wash stuff, just very kind of frivolous and, like, you know, just, again, more more fun and drugs.
Dave:Yep.
Brian:And then evolved even further into, like, you know, the the hair band of the eighties, you know, like the Outlandish. The Motley Crus and the Poisons and then all that kind of stuff. And then Sister.
Dave:And then
Brian:yeah. And then and then grunge comes along. It's very melancholy again for a period of time. And meanwhile, rap is making its it's it's doing its thing. And then hip hop becomes more mainstream, and it's it's it's very biting at sometimes.
Brian:You know? I'm talking about real social issues, you know, in the in the nineties and eighties and stuff like that. And the pop stuff got a little more silly again. You had the Justin Bieber stuff going on and all that kind of stuff. And and I, you know, honestly, I've kinda lost track of the the mood of things after that because, you know, I don't I don't I don't tend to listen to a lot of stuff that came out in 02/2012.
Brian:Yeah. So but my point is there the music kinda oscillates between melancholy and fun, kind of like in maybe a seven to ten year cycle. Like, we get we go from disco to hairbands to grunge. Like, it Right. Well, and and before the disco, there was, like, the, you know, sex and drugs era of the '70.
Brian:Before, that was the very melancholy Joan Baez kinda era. Jimi Hendrix talking about very heavy social issues. And so we don't talk about social issues again until, like, the eighties and nineties. Like, there's a twenty year period there in between. It's, like, very silly, fun.
Brian:There's exceptions, of course. But so I feel like it it kinda ping pongs back and forth in a shorter cycle, but the overall trend of the eighty year cycle, you know, in the beginning that's why I think it's more like the pendulum thing. In the beginning, it's more, you know, social stuff. We we broke out of this. Hey.
Brian:Good times are here again.
Dave:Right.
Brian:And then we are all having good times, the we era to the eighties, the me era, the, you know, again, the Michael Jackson, the the the the fun stuff of the the hair bands and things like that. I mean, now we're now we're back into a much more of a kinda we have to be in this together, and I feel so lonely, which means I need to find a group to be a part of and all that. I you know, it kind of kind of has an overarching theme to me, but also the the the quicker turn oscillation between frivolity and, like, seriousness. You know what I mean?
Dave:Yeah. And it it I think that when you get to if you look at, the nineteen twenties and thirties, you know, especially the roaring 20s, right?
Brian:Yeah. It was a very Yeah, the ragtime era, yeah.
Dave:Ragtime. It was to a great extent a narcissistic time. Was Reconstruction that happened after the Civil War and better or worse. So you get to a point in a fourth turning, immediately before a fourth turning, when everything turns narcissistic to not everything, but a great deal of it turns narcissistic. And even the turn now, I see the parallel between the 1920s and our era right now because the roaring 20s were a very narcissistic time.
Dave:Now we're in that same kind of narcissistic time. It's about me and my group and screw you and your group, you know, and it's a narcissistic time on an individual level because it's like, woe is me and everything is wrong in my life and, you know, it just so all of that pattern yeah, the 1920s music and our 2020s music is different, but it still follows the same pattern. And so that's what Kenny G can look for in the future when the music turns away from what Kenny G liked and and was up on.
Brian:I would also say, like, the parallels that I see in the Roaring Twenties versus Us is a couple of things stand out to me. One is how much we medicate ourselves. Oh, yeah. Now back then, it was much more alcohol. There was there was, you know, there was certainly Opium.
Brian:You know, there was opium and heroin. There was there was those things, but it was primarily alcohol.
Dave:But Yep.
Brian:You can't find a movie made about the nineteen twenties where the the the gal dressed with the bob what what they call the bob haircut, I think, what they call it, where she doesn't have a drink in her hand.
Dave:Right.
Brian:And he doesn't have a drink in his hand.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:And they're all smoking.
Dave:They're all smoking.
Brian:Yeah. I mean, it's the the the self medicating was pretty prevalent. Yeah. And I think self medicating now is pretty prevalent.
Dave:Very much.
Brian:Yeah. The other thing I and I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, but I I I think it's I'm I'm willing to risk it or willing to suffer the consequences. In the in the nineteen twenties, women the the glamorous look was to be very thin. Essentially, looked like a 12 year old boy. Yeah.
Brian:Right?
Dave:Yep.
Brian:And so okay. Well, what a 12 year old boy does not look like a woman like the nineteen fifties Playboy pinup. Like, a very different look. Right?
Dave:Yeah. Exactly.
Brian:Well, so they made women not look as much like women to be fabulous or beautiful or whatever. Right? The desired look was not the curvy woman of the nineteen fifties. Right? The desired look for women today is not the curvy woman of nineteen fifties.
Brian:It's on the other extreme. Right. It's Lizzo is beautiful and all these things. Now Right. It's not the same.
Brian:It's the polar opposite it was in the nineteen twenties, but still, it's desirable for women to not look like women Right. As you and I would think about a traditional what a woman looks like. Right?
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:And so how it is manifesting is different, but I think that underlying behavior is the same. It's I think it's important to note that at the peak of that, women looked like 12 year old boys then, and now their desired look is the opposite of that.
Dave:Yeah. Opposite. Yeah.
Brian:But it's still not a healthy woman. You know you know what? Neither extreme is like a healthy woman is what I'm getting at. And and I think that's an interesting I don't know if it's coincidence. I don't know if it's happenstance.
Brian:I don't know. But it certainly stands out to me as something that's very notable.
Dave:I and I I think I mean, now I'm just pulling out of the history out of the back of my head, but I think that that was the case in previous fourth trainings too, because the the the styles, you know, you you think about the styles around the Revolutionary War and what women wore then, or the styles in the South during the Civil War and what women wore then. Again Right. Very much, you know, built up and fabricated and and, you know Altered. Altered. Altered And so there is I I think that pattern, again, I and who knows how it'll how it'll come to pass
Brian:the next robotic for sure, the next one.
Dave:Yeah. Probably so. Probably so. It would be interesting
Brian:It'll be the the cool thing will be to to tattoo your skin so it looks like, you know, steel. What's the what's the steel that that shoot. The the silver ish looking they call it some kind of steel stainless steel. Like like a robot.
Dave:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be a cool look
Brian:of me to tattoo your skin so it looks like stainless steel.
Dave:Yeah. It'll it'll be something different than what they grew up with because we want to be But again, I think one of the points of us doing this podcast is to point out these patterns so that in the future folks can understand, know, one, that this is normal. It sucks, but it's normal. And Yeah. Two, if you can maintain hope through it, assuming as a species we don't kill ourselves, then the next season will be much better.
Dave:So
Brian:Yeah. I and the only reason it stands out to me is, like, if you look at a not a not a tuxedo, but a suit. Not a three piece suit, just a regular suit. Jacket, tie, pants, matching suit for a man today Right. Versus 1920, there's a little bit of difference.
Brian:The tie might be thinner, might be shorter, might be longer, might be fatter, whatever.
Dave:Right.
Brian:The the pattern, you know, that's different. But, essentially, it's the same.
Dave:Right.
Brian:Right? If you look at it in '18 let's say 1855, Again, a little different, but essentially, it's the the core of it is the same. Yeah. If you look back the one before that, you know, again, they were more blousy. The shirts were more blousy and and things like that, but the the core the the jackets were a little different, but the core of it is the same.
Brian:Right. It's not the case for women in what they quote, unquote desired, you know, what the the glamorous in vogue look is.
Dave:Yeah.
Brian:I just find it really fascinating that the the the the for the men, it stays pretty consistent, but for the women, it's always trying to make women not women, in my opinion. You know what I'm saying? Like Yeah. Whatever the extremes are.
Dave:I hadn't really thought about that before, but I but I yeah. And that's a good point because I think it it Exactly. I know I'm in trouble
Brian:saying this, but it's just then maybe it's just my dimwitted view on life, and then I'm
Dave:No. I mean, you
Brian:isn't there.
Dave:You're right about the you're right about the changes to the how how drastic the changes have been for women. Now, I mean, I I suppose it's possible that women express their feelings more in how they dress than maybe men do. I I and that's
Brian:I I don't have any hypothesis on why it is. It's just it's just notable to me that in the nineteen twenties, right before
Dave:Right.
Brian:The crisis era then, women, the desired look was to not look like a woman, a natural woman. And now the the desired look does not look like a natural woman. It's they're very different how they manifest, but both cases are the same, you know, in my opinion. So Yeah. Exactly.
Brian:Anyhow, so Kenny G can look out for the tin man version of the woman because that'll be the AI bot that that that is in style or something like that.
Dave:I don't I don't know it looked like then. But
Brian:but I am fascinated to see what the new me I I am genuinely intrigued as what the new music is gonna be. Yeah. That's where we I got us off track, but that was where we were talking about earlier was the new genre of music. I I am really fascinated to see what that's gonna sound like. I'm I'm kind of excited for it.
Dave:I just hope it's gonna
Brian:like it, but
Dave:Well, I just hope there's a good beat. That's all. I know.
Brian:You know? I just hope there's good beat.
Dave:That's all. I'll be happy.
Brian:And and I hope it's not like just because we'll be in a world of robots and AI. I hope it's not just like techno. You know, Michael? Let's let's be let's be more original than that. You know?
Brian:Let's not do the synthesizers and techno beat. I hope it's something more original than that.
Dave:Well, you know, it's it's it doesn't it doesn't wouldn't surprise me if you and I become like Bill and Ted. So it could be Right? That this very podcast, Brian, this could be the podcast that sends Rufus back in time to capture us, take us forward to the future, and be revered as as social icons like Bill and Ted were in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. I you know, it it could happen.
Brian:Well, you know, anything's possible. I I could have a gold mine under my house and not know anything's possible. Like, all kinds of things could be.
Dave:That's my happy thought for the day.
Brian:Alright. Well, as Dave said in the beginning, we're trying to explain to future generations what this moment in time is like, not on things you're gonna see in their history book, but kinda what's what's the mood and what are trends we noticed and things like that. If you think there said we said something right that you'd like to interject on, we'd love to hear your point of view. You think something we're completely wrong about, and I gave you ample things about that to interject your opinion on, we'd love to hear that too. Like, we're trying to explain to future generations what this moment's like, and we can't do that from our just two little points of view.
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Dave:See you next week.
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