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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So if we look back at this pandemic, we can see that there have been layers and layers of corruption. We have the corrupt officials, the politicians, the scientists, but the big question is what is the layer that's kind of holding them all together? Well, to my guest today, author Kent Heckenlively, and the information that he's received from people that worked inside of the pandemic response under Trump, what they had told him was that the entire thing was orchestrated by big pharma and in fact big pharma was controlling the military and the intelligence agencies.
Seth Holehouse:So this is gonna be a deep dive into what's really happening, who's really controlling things, but also like what can we do about this. So folks, this is gonna be a great but important interview that you don't want to miss. Before we get started though, make sure you're following me on social media. In most places, I'm just maninamerica and on Twitter it's maninamericaus. Also make sure you're joining me on the telegram group to search for man in America on telegram.
Seth Holehouse:That's where I'm most active and engaged with folks. Also every show I do as a podcast as well. So if you prefer to listen instead of watch, just go to your favorite podcast app and search for Man in America and you'll find me there. And if you really want to make my day, leave me a five star review on the podcast apps that really helps the algorithm so I can reach more people. Alright, folks, let's go ahead and jump right into this interview.
Seth Holehouse:So, Kent, thank you so much for joining us today. It is an honor to have you here on the show.
Kent Heckenlively:Thanks so much for having me.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. So you recently, you know, co authored a book, which is you dove into a subject right here, you know, and I'll pull it up just because this really sets the stage for our conversation. Presidential takedown, how Anthony Fauci, the CDC, NIH, and the WHO conspired to overthrow President Trump. Now, I've, you know, followed so many different aspects of the pandemic and the vaccine rollout and, you know, Trump and Fauci and I know Judy Mikovits, I know you've also written some books with her. And, you know, the being able to peer into what was happening during the COVID crisis, but also looking at it's like we now can see that, you know, Fauci was lying to us that, you know, they were doing gain of function research.
Seth Holehouse:There's that whole discussion has really become much more common now. But when I came across your book, the understanding that the CDC, the WHO, these organizations were actually conspiring and basically taking action that was harming the public, like such as not, you know, not allowing kids to go back to school, but that there was this over, you know, this really strong intention to destroy President Trump. So, I'll give you the floor. Why don't you just talk about the meat of the book, the meat of your findings?
Kent Heckenlively:Yeah. And just a quick little bit about me. So this is my eleventh book. My twelfth book on CNN just came out. So I've kind of been a writing machine these past couple of years.
Kent Heckenlively:I'm trained as an attorney. I am now a science teacher for going on eighteen years. And so I think for me, my skill is to be able to take very complex subjects and reduce them down so that the average person can understand it. Now, I had written several books with Doctor. Judy Mikovitsu.
Kent Heckenlively:Some people might know the book Plague, Plague of Corruption and Ending Plague. She was the subject of a documentary by Mickey Willis, and that twenty six minute video went viral with over a billion world views. And so people know Doctor. Judy Mikovits, and I'm kind of like the book version of Judy Mikovits. I take her brilliance and it's not that I dumb it down, but I simplify it.
Kent Heckenlively:She always talks about me having the skill of being able to take very complex material and be accurate about it, but convey it in a way that the average reader can understand it. So in April of twenty twenty, my life really kind of blew up with our book Plague of Corruption, which became a New York Times bestseller. It was number two on New York Times. We got attacked by Chuck Todd in a five minute segment where he mentioned that there was this book and this video out and it's creating a new conspiracy. Well, two and a half years later, everything we said turned out to be right.
Kent Heckenlively:Now that book, Plague of Corruption, did not talk about COVID-nineteen because it had been written several months before. And what had happened is that we have looked at various diseases like chronic fatigue syndrome, autism. We looked at the HIV AIDS epidemic, and there was a playbook and a pattern that the public health authorities used to lie about these things. Denial of early treatment. I mean, thousands of people died unnecessarily from HIVAIDS because people like Fauci, Fauci was one of the people, if you saw the Dallas Buyers Club, the villain in Dallas Buyers Club was Tony Fauci.
Kent Heckenlively:Okay. So they made the decision. Fauci wanted to push these drugs that were to be used when the immune system was almost destroyed. Okay. What we learned is that you try to give these drugs when you detect the infection and keep the infection quiet.
Kent Heckenlively:People go on, they live their lives. Magic Johnson was one of the first people to do this and he's never developed anything close to AIDS, even though he has the HIV virus. And Doctor. G. Michaevitz, I understand, is a controversial figure.
Kent Heckenlively:We are joined in one of our books by Doctor. Frank Roussetti, who's a thirty eight year National Cancer Institute scientist, winner of the Distinguished Service Award, and also who really demanded to be in our book was Luke Montagnier. So he gets a chapter in Ending Plague. And so I've kind of been become known as the guy who can work with these very intelligent scientists and take their scientific knowledge and make it palatable to the public, make it readable. I mean, books have more than 10,000 Amazon reviews, right?
Kent Heckenlively:4.7 to 4.9, depending on the book. And so that's why when Tony Lyons, the publisher at Skyhorse, ran across the story of Doctor. Paul Alexander, he thought of me to be the coauthor with it, for it. And Doctor. Paul Alexander was the government's evidence based medicine expert brought in in May of twenty twenty because Trump wasn't trusting what his COVID-nineteen task force was telling them.
Kent Heckenlively:And so the book is really, you're a fly on the wall of the early days of the pandemic. And when they were looking at things like school closures, masks, social distancing, creation of the vaccine, and in every instance the government was taking the wrong approach. So, it really is, and you know, for those people who are wondering, well, maybe they just got it wrong. Maybe they didn't have the best information. No, no, no.
Kent Heckenlively:People like Paul Alexander were giving them good scientific data. We documented in the book, they knew that they were making the wrong decision. And what Paul had to tell me about how these supposedly independent scientists and bureaucrats acted behind the scenes, I think it's just it's the crime of the century.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, the world is going through a process that experts are calling dedollarization, and China and Russia are leading the charge. So what's this mean? You see, the US dollar is a fiat currency, meaning it isn't backed by anything of value. The only thing that gives our dollar value is its demand around the world, which is primarily because of its petrodollar status, meaning that nations are forced to buy and sell oil in USD. But now the world is losing faith in the dollar.
Seth Holehouse:It's very close to losing its status as the petrodollar and world reserve currency, especially now that the oil producing nations are abandoning The US for China, Russia, and other BRICS nations. But what happens if the dollar loses that sacred status? Well, the value of our dollars, our life savings, IRAs, four zero one k, stocks, bank accounts could literally be wiped out in a matter of months, weeks, or even overnight. And to make things worse, Biden and the Fed are currently working on a secret project Hamilton, a new form of digital currency that'll obliterate your freedom and privacy. Now look, folks.
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Seth Holehouse:What was some of their behavior behind the scenes that Paul was experiencing?
Kent Heckenlively:Well, one of the great things about Paul is that he grew up in The Caribbean. Okay. And so he has a lovely Caribbean accent. His ethnic background is Middle Eastern, North African. And to these bureaucrats, he didn't look like a Trump guy.
Kent Heckenlively:He looked like one of their bros. And so, you know, he was the senior pandemic advisor to Michael Caputo, who's really running the whole show. And Caputo had said to him, Caputo did not have a scientific background, but a brilliant, brilliant man and a great patriot. And Caputo said, Paul, I want you in every single meeting I have with these scientists so you can tell me what's true and what's baloney. And so he's at the very center of it.
Kent Heckenlively:So in his job, he the key to the executive lunchroom at Health and Human Services. And so, during the midst of the pandemic, this is like the center of the universe, right? So we all know what it's like in the corporate lunchroom where people tell what they really think. And so the heads of these departments would see Paul, see his dark skin, hear his Caribbean accent. It just wouldn't compute to them that he's a Trump guy.
Kent Heckenlively:Okay. And he had the heads of the departments saying to him, look, Paul, you need to understand how things really work here. We communicate with the other chiefs every day and we have one goal in mind and that is to make Trump look bad on the evening news. And, you know, I'm just, I'm horrified as a citizen. Okay.
Kent Heckenlively:Because this is the greatest public health crisis of the past century. I don't want there to be Republicans or Democrats in that response. I want there to be Americans. I want there to be human beings. I don't want there to be partisans.
Kent Heckenlively:But as Doctor. Alexander explains, that's not what was there.
Seth Holehouse:And what's interesting is that when you look at the kind of subtitle to the book talking about, you know, Fauci and the CDC and a few of the other organizations, one of them is the WHO, which extends beyond the borders of The United States. Because it's one thing to say that, okay, the corrupt DC swamp had, you know, kind of colluded with big pharma and the scientists, they made sure that, know, we know they will have control they have. But then when you bring in the WHO and their role and what did you did you see this effort to destroy Trump? Did it extend beyond just the national borders? Was it something that was coming from a more from global powers that were also working to get rid of Trump?
Kent Heckenlively:It's a great question. And you know, what your audience should also understand is that Paul Alexander came from the World Health Organization. He was their senior pandemic advisor. So these things that he's saying, you know, are completely the words of an insider. And so there's a couple of things that are going on, I think.
Kent Heckenlively:First of all, Paul Alexander talks about how at the very beginning of the pandemic, he was told by well informed sources that this was a leak from the Wuhan lab and they'd been messing around with viruses. I think one of the great untold stories, and I try to get this out there, is to realize that what we really have is we have a scientist class above governments and above nations. And these guys think that they are not subject to the rules of any nations. So the story of COVID really is that we were messing around with these viruses. Okay.
Kent Heckenlively:In 2014, a bunch of scientists got together and said, Hey, this gain of function stuff seems really dangerous. Okay, so what do they do? And so they can't do it in The United States. So they outsource it to China. Okay.
Kent Heckenlively:So, you know, and it's never one thing. Okay. So they're outsourcing it to China. They're also spying on China. They know China's spying on us.
Kent Heckenlively:We gave them what eventually turned into COVID-nineteen. So if you remember in the early days of the pandemic, you know, Trump was going at the China virus and then China clapped back and said like, Oh no, it's from you. Oh no, no. It was kind of like a cold peace set in. And for me, what seems clear is that both American and Chinese scientists were messing around with this stuff and it got out.
Kent Heckenlively:Now you bring up a really interesting question about, well, what's going on? Because it seems like there's a larger agenda at work. And if you look at, you know, what was the event three zero two? What was that called?
Seth Holehouse:Event two zero one that happened.
Kent Heckenlively:Event two zero one. Yeah. Event two zero one. Like, I watch it and I'm going like, man, this is terrifying. And it really seems like it's a dry run for something.
Kent Heckenlively:Now, can my mind go to the place that this was all planned? Yeah, it can. The evidence I have is circumstantial. But could I also say that they took advantage of a leak in a way that they said, ah, some leak is going to happen sometime. Yeah.
Kent Heckenlively:So I'm not really big on claiming that this was a planned release, But I can't tell you no. When I look at everything that's happened, this doesn't seem like it was an ordinary problem that sprang from nature or just an accidental release, because I would have expected a much better and more robust response in terms of early treatment. If they really wanted to solve the problem, they could have made this a bad flu year, but they didn't. And so I remain highly skeptical of what we have been told, but I can't necessarily tell you what's behind the curtain. But I know there's something behind the curtain.
Seth Holehouse:Which I think is representative of you being a responsible investigative journalist, right? Because, you know, there, it's almost like you're looking into the mob family or the mafia families. You know, they're not leaving the bloodied knife sitting on the kitchen table for you to walk in and say, oh, this is how they killed the person. You know, in fact, the person was, you know, is at the bottom of a lake or is, you know, fed to pigs or whatever it is, they hide the bodies. And so I think that it's the same thing with these organizations that they don't make it easy to understand what was really happening.
Seth Holehouse:And so who who do you think so, you know, we have there's coordination happening, obviously, right? So you've got, you know, Fauci and Birx, you have the different heads of, you know, whether it's the CDC, NIH, etcetera, that, you know, from my understanding of how you presented the information in the book that there was this this coordinated effort, right, that you know, to basically to ruin Trump, make him look as bad as possible on the evening news. And this might be a difficult thing to answer, but who do you think was the ringleader? Or who, like, who was Fauci taking his orders from? Or was he the ringleader?
Seth Holehouse:Or was he just the, you know, the the dog on the end of a leash that big pharma was holding? I mean, who who was who do you think was behind this attack on Trump?
Kent Heckenlively:It's a great question. One of the things that we, the facts that we came across, so remember, this is the facts guys. Okay. You can go and verify it. So how much power do people like Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins, how much power did they have during this pandemic and in the years before it?
Kent Heckenlively:Okay. I think that's the prelude to everything. So here's a number for your audience. In 2020, both presidential parties spent $5,000,000,000 to elect a president of The United States. Every year, the National Institutes of Health, which technically was under Francis Collins, but since Anthony Fauci has been there since 1984, you got to really see him as the power behind the throne.
Kent Heckenlively:Every year, Collins and Fauci, according to the government's own numbers, gave out over 30,000,000,000 a year in grants. Okay, so that's setting the stage. So let's think of the ten years before this happened. Okay. That's them giving out $300,000,000,000 approximately in grants.
Kent Heckenlively:How much power does that give you? That gives you an enormous amount of power. So whether they think they're doing good or they're doing ill, you only have to look back at the letters of Thomas Jefferson when he wrote, you know, Men are not angels. If men were angels, we wouldn't need government. Any person who has unlimited power will tend to prefer their friends over their enemies and corruption will inevitably arise.
Kent Heckenlively:So to understand what's happening in science, you have to understand how science, the very structure of science has been weakened. This is something that conservatives don't like to say, because, you know, I got Ronald Reagan behind me and he did one of the worst things that could have been done, which is in his government Employee Reduction Act, what happened in a lot of the sciences was that these scientists were made independent contractors working for the government. What does that mean? That means that they are competing for research jobs. They aren't part of the government.
Kent Heckenlively:So you'd better give your boss the answer he wants or else you ain't going to be working. So Frank Russetti, who is in our third book, big, big Democrat. Okay. And he would just rail against this and he'd say, the Republicans wrecked science because what happened is, we were all working together and then they made so many of us sharecroppers on their land. And so to understand that this is what's happened and, you know, so Republicans made some mistakes, the Democrats fix it?
Kent Heckenlively:No. So the system of science is broken. So it used to be that you, you know, I think the image the public has is that you have, you know, disinterested groups of scientists working together and kind of saying like, Oh, we found this and we interpret the results this way. No, no. You've got a master in a serf relationship.
Kent Heckenlively:And if these serfs don't give the master what he wants, they're out of there.
Seth Holehouse:Which I mean, really goes against the fundamentals of science. I mean, science is supposed to be, in a lot of ways, just observation, a unbiased observation. You don't go into a test with, you know, that you're going to start skewing things to prove your hypothesis because big pharma is footing the bill. And so, so basically, so we have it that the and you know, Reagan, he also had, think it was called the Act of 1986, which was significant because he gave immunity to the vaccine companies, which was, you know, I mean, yeah, he did some great things, but he also did some really detrimental things to our medical system.
Kent Heckenlively:Yeah. So that, for your viewers who don't know, that moved all childhood vaccines into the special vaccine court with special rules that no public interest lawyer would ever agree to. What people don't know is in 2011, a conservative Supreme Court in the case versus Brusevitz versus Wyatt Labs moved all adult vaccines into that same crazy separate vaccine court. Yeah, and I actually interviewed the former head, former special master of the vaccine court. He didn't think it was working.
Kent Heckenlively:I interviewed a Stanford law professor, Ngora Freeman Inkstrom, who's probably one of the few academics who's looked at the court. She said it wasn't working. I asked both of them the question, do you think that this act has protected the American public from bad vaccines? Has it contributed to our general health? And both of them gave me the same answer, which was, I think that's beyond my ability to assess.
Kent Heckenlively:And I thought, Well, wait a minute, no, you're supposed to be the guy who's telling me, Yes, this is great. This is why we're living twenty years longer. Both of them took a pass on it. I felt like I was interviewing one of the generals of the Vietnam War who could tell me all the body counts. And then you ask him the fundamental question, should we have been in Vietnam?
Kent Heckenlively:And he'd say that's above my pay grade. How can you take a pass on those questions?
Seth Holehouse:No. Yeah. It's a good point. And so with this, you know, you know, $30,000,000,000 a year that's being moved around and, you know, with, you know, Fauci being the guy who's really holding the purse strings, is a lot of that money I mean, what I'm seeing okay. Because what I'm seeing the picture emerge here, and this has been a hard thing for me to wrap my head around, know, because I saw the original Pandemic movie and almost since day one of the pandemic, I all my red flags were my sirens are going off.
Seth Holehouse:Like there's something that's much bigger about this isn't just some random, you know, pandemic that people are responding to. And then of course you discover event two zero one, you discover, you know, Operation Lockstep, you discover all these other things. It's like, okay, yeah. And you really understand what the broader picture is. But in looking at, you know, something that I've had a difficult time really understanding is the relationship between government and the scientists and big pharma.
Seth Holehouse:And what I'm seeing here is, okay, if the government is taking our taxpayer money, right, and they're saying, okay, here's $30,000,000,000 a year, And that money can go into big pharma's coffers because big pharma says, Oh, you know, we need our scientists to, we need a grant for, you know, $200,000,000 to research X, you know, this new drug. And then there then so that so big pharma is taking the taxpayer money, developing drugs, and then you would think that it's like, okay, well since the taxpayers funded it, we get a cut back, right? Like don't we get a share of the profit? No. Right?
Seth Holehouse:They get to go then and sell and market and sell the drugs.
Kent Heckenlively:The saint ish too.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, exactly. So is it like what role it to me, it I mean, to me, it seems like we're living in what I could best call like a medical fascist state where you have a merger of medicine and government. Is that accurate?
Kent Heckenlively:All of my books have a simple theme. Big leads to corruption unless you have really robust systems of transparency and accountability. And I actually love to have lots of people in the mix fighting and everybody having roughly the same abilities and skills and power. What was fascinating about this book and what Paul Alexander told me is that his office at HHS was one floor below project warp speed. All he had to do was walk a couple steps, go up a fire escape and he was in Operation Warp Speed.
Kent Heckenlively:And so as we explain in the book, he was kind of terrified by what he saw because he is a scientist. And so he's talking to all these other scientists. They're telling them all the things that are going wrong and things they don't agree with. And he got to observe that in Operation Warp Speed there were scientists from the government, there were the scientists from big pharma, there were military guys, there were guys who wouldn't tell you who they were, but they seemed to be intelligence types. And then you had the big pharma executives in there.
Kent Heckenlively:And as he describes it, somebody who is at the very center, he said, it seemed like big pharma was in control of our military and the intelligence. And that's just frigging terrifying to me. Now, much of that is true? Well, I don't know, but he was there for every one of the public who was not there. I understand what is the truth.
Kent Heckenlively:I get it. I get it. But he was in the room. He observed that. He says that big pharma is running our intelligence agencies and is running our military and is running our government.
Kent Heckenlively:And the numbers bear that out. So just so your viewers know, okay, so we got one number. We got $30,000,000,000 a year that Fauci and company are giving out to the scientific community. Here's another number, dollars 300,000,000, which is how much big pharma lobbies are Congress. You know what number two is?
Kent Heckenlively:Big oil at about $150,000,000 So for all you liberals out there who worry about the influence of big oil, and I get it, big pharma is twice that. Third number. Every year, big pharma spends about $6,000,000,000 a year advertising. That means that 50 percent to 75% of your evening news is probably brought to you by big pharma. Just watch your preferred news station, count the number of commercials and then count what percentage are for big pharma.
Kent Heckenlively:Okay? So I know you're thinking like, Oh, they want to sell me Rybelsus. Well, the company that makes Rybelsus is probably also making the vaccines and everything Rybelsus is probably not the big profit center forum that these liability free vaccines are. So just observe the world around you and see if my filter on the world works. Maybe, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm telling you how to look at the world, take an hour or two and see if it fits.
Seth Holehouse:That's actually, it's incredible to piece that all together, but also to have Doctor. Alexander who was at the center of the pandemic response and again, as you mentioned was one floor below Operation Warp Speed, to have someone like him come forth and say that from what he was seeing, big pharma was running our military and our intelligence agencies. I mean, that's it's almost like I mentioned, okay, we have a medical fascism, which is a merger, but maybe what's worse than that is a medical dictatorship where it's the big pharmaceutical companies that are literally buying off all the politicians, right? Buying off the media, right? Because we don't mean media is, it's not just the media, media plays an integral part into, in our republic, the ability for people to make informed decisions and to vote based upon that, like it's the foundation of our, of our country is a free and fair media.
Seth Holehouse:And so if you have this giant organization that's taking, you're taking taxpayer money by the billions and billions and billions and trillions probably over the course of decades, right? That's being funneled into their research and to develop drugs, they obviously had the budget to spend, you know, 5,000,000,000 plus on advertising that they're then selling back to us yet they're controlling in a lot of ways, right, you could say that they have a certain level of control over the media, right? And so they have a certain level of control over the politicians. Now we're hearing over the military and over the intelligence agencies. It's just it's astounding to me because really once once something gets that big, you can only see that it will get bigger and bigger because once you have all that control, then you can start changing walls to benefit you, you can start pushing the media campaigns to benefit you.
Seth Holehouse:And also, I mean, you look at, I imagine that this control didn't just start when COVID began. Like my, you know, of presumption and what I've kind of understood is that COVID became a catalyst for them to take all the control and power they already had and just completely amplify it.
Kent Heckenlively:Yeah, I wish I could say that there are honest people at the top of these organizations. You know, it's interesting because, you know, Paul Alexander goes into detail about some of the main players. And, you know, let me give a shout out to Robert Redfield, who is head of the CDC. Redfield seemed to be an honest broker, but the fact is he wasn't part of the good old boys network. He wasn't part of the establishment.
Kent Heckenlively:And so they sidelined him. If you look at Redfield's comments, since he has left, he's talked about the fact that, hey, he believes that this was a lab leak from China. And CNN goes nuts on him and it's like, no, he was there. He knows. And you know what Alexander was able to say about Redfield was he really wasn't able to, wasn't strong enough to push forward against the bureaucracy.
Kent Heckenlively:But you wonder, is anybody strong enough to push back against these powerful forces? There's one story that Paul tells in the book, which is about the six foot social distancing thing. And so, know, since Paul was at the very center of it and, you know, Caputo always wanted him involved in every discussion, Paul sees Redfield come out from the median, Redfield seems very disturbed and he says, Bob, you know, what's going on? And he goes, Well, we just came up with, six foot social distancing for everybody in the country. And so Paul says, Oh, could I see the scientific data on that?
Kent Heckenlively:And Redfield goes, what scientific data? There was none. Some countries are doing 12 feet, others are doing one foot, some are doing three feet. They just got together and decided, well, six sounds reasonable. And that's the way science was being done.
Kent Heckenlively:And it's just, it's nutty. I mean, you know, always wonder, do I live in a world full of evil geniuses or do I live in a world of Dilbert style incompetence? And I start to think more it's less evil than just a confederacy of dunces who, because of their position, people defer to their authority. And, you know, any person of intelligence and curiosity, you know, you inevitably find yourself going nuts because you're saying like, wait a minute, I'm making really good arguments here. Why do talk to me like I'm I pointed out a floating goldfish in the room?
Kent Heckenlively:No. I pointed to the fact that you don't have a control group.
Seth Holehouse:Gosh, it's just incredible. But it makes me think though that if I would say that it's a blend of the two in that a small group of very evil powerful people would prefer to have a bunch of dunces that just follow commands. So it would be in their interest to have a bunch of people that they're controlling that don't think independently. And that will just, you know, they say, okay, press that button to, you know, these people might die. It's like, okay, I'll press the button, you know, without like the Milgram experience, your experiment, right?
Seth Holehouse:And so, you know, kind of talking about Operation Warp Speed, and this is something that I think that there's, it's hard to get the right answer on this because there's so many different perspectives on it. But, you know, what we're seeing now is that, you know, even Pfizer with the documents that were, they were forced to release, that they knew the dangers of this vaccine. They knew that it was causing miscarriages affecting infertility, you know, all of these different aspects that we're now seeing, right, we're now seeing, you know, every day it's like, this person died suddenly, that person died suddenly. Know, I'm not saying that all of that is a vaccine because it's not, you know, there's other natural causes and people, you know, have died suddenly for thousands of years, right? But it's the, it's the increase in all these things together that are, you know, the myocarditis, this young people having strokes, the cancer rates are skyrocketing.
Seth Holehouse:So, you know, I've interviewed a lot of doctors and people like Naomi Wolf and Ed Dowd that are really, really working to kind of pull this data together. And if you look at it unobjectively, you say, yeah, it looks like there's some bad things that are happening from this. Now, do you think because a lot of people, you know, a lot of folks will then say, well, look at Trump, you know, President Trump is still out there saying, hey, this is a great vaccine. And, you know, he calls himself the father of the vaccine and he's been very proud of it. Do you think that the people surrounding him, you know, the Fauci's, etc, the Burks's, do you think that they knew of the potential side effects of this and just didn't let Trump have that information because I I feel, and I'll kind of interject my own opinion on this, that when I hear Trump talk about it, or at least in the past that he genuinely believed that the vaccine was going to be the key to get them to get the country open back up and that would help save lives.
Seth Holehouse:Like I believe that that was his intention at that time. But do you think that the people surrounding him, the scientists, ties to big pharma, that they were preventing him from understanding the real potential negative side effects of this vaccine rollout?
Kent Heckenlively:%. So to me, here's the Trump blind spot and we've all got our blind spots. And so I would happily sit in front of President Trump and say exactly what I'm saying right now. So I think in Trump's entire business life, he had people working with him who would come to him and tell him the truth. And if they didn't tell him the truth in construction and real estate, because I know I come from a real estate family myself, my brother's a big developer.
Kent Heckenlively:If people lie to you, it becomes really clear and then you fire them. Okay. So I think his whole life, he has developed his company so that the people who come and talk to him tell him the truth, he can make good decisions. He moves to government. It's filled with liars, really well accomplished liars.
Kent Heckenlively:And I think he deferred to them. I think he had his suspicions, but when the pedal hit the metal, most of the time he made the decisions that his experts who were liars told him to make. And I think that's his blind spot. I would love to sit in a room with Trump and go over every single thing I am saying. And I would point him to exactly what he needs to do.
Kent Heckenlively:Like, for example, this whole vaccine thing. This could be solved with one thing. If they threw vaccines back into the regular civil justice system, let the products liabilities lawyers work with it for five years, and those wolves will tear that industry apart. That is what big pharma is terrified of. Okay?
Kent Heckenlively:A couple other things: make scientists part of the team. Keep them as the serfs. Put them in their jobs, give them some security, let them be scientists. Another thing, only a doctor can prescribe a pharmaceutical drug. So why in The United States do we allow our commercials to be about pharma products?
Kent Heckenlively:Why? Why? I can't prescribe a drug.
Seth Holehouse:Why are you advertising to Good point.
Kent Heckenlively:Just a couple. Okay. How about pharma? How about we have a lobby in Congress and I would like it to be Republicans and Democrats because like when I get together and I talk with Bobby Kennedy about this, he'll go, 100% of Republicans are bought by big pharma, 95% are Democrats. And I'm like, no, Bobby, it's 95% Republicans who are Vaughn.
Kent Heckenlively:It's 100% of Democrats. So how about a caucus of Republicans and Democrats who say, I'm not going to take big pharma money. So let's get the big pharma money out of our media because none of us who are watching those shows can prescribe a drug. Okay? Number two, if vaccines are so safe, why don't you have them in the regular court system?
Kent Heckenlively:Number three, get the politicians off of their addiction to big pharma money. Three things, the world changes.
Seth Holehouse:And that's the hard part too, because, you know, it's like I can imagine, okay, I'm sitting down with Rupert Murdoch, right, who owns Fox and News Corp and say, okay, hey, Rupert, you know, our new rule is you can't accept any money from big pharma, you know, they can no longer run on your channels. He's a businessman. He's not gonna say, okay, you know what, for the good of humanity, I'll give up half of my advertising dollar. Right? Or all these politicians that have been, you know, bought and paid for and so that and this is, I mean, and this is kind of what I was going alluding to earlier is that, you know, at a certain point when enough power is gained, it's like it's like the the Frankenstein monster that becomes uncontrollable because it can just kill at will.
Seth Holehouse:I had I mean, is this fixable? Because I yes, look, if we had the right politicians that were in place that could really start, you know, kind of fixing some of these issues, but then it's like, gosh, how do we even do that? How do we even get the right politicians in place because the ones that are winning the race is the ones that have a, you know, $2,000,000 purse to play with because they've got all the big pharma money coming in. So, like, how can we even fix this because it seems like it is a, it has turned into a very evil and corrupted cancer that's plaguing our country in so many different areas, even the medical schools, right? Because it's like why the doctors coming out doing what the doctor is doing?
Seth Holehouse:Well, because look who who funds all the medical journals and the medical schools and who sits on the boards, the medical schools, it's all goes, it ties right back to big pharma. So how can we how can we possibly fix this?
Kent Heckenlively:Okay. I'm going to use your Frankenstein example. What was Frankenstein terrified of? Peasants with with pitchforks and torches. Once they know there's a monster, the public is bigger than any of these monsters.
Kent Heckenlively:Now I'll tell you another story that I heard from Robert Kennedy, and this is where, you know, I'd like to get beyond politics because when you get to the upper levels, nobody cares about politics, you know, because we know it's all smoke and mirrors. So Kennedy tells a story that Roger Ailes of Fox News was like almost like a pseudo father to him. They met like when Robert Kennedy was 14 years old on a rafting trip and Ailes had always taken sort of like a fatherly approach to Bobby. And so as Bobby's doing all of his vaccine stuff, he calls up Roger and he's like, Roger, can I get on Fox News? Roger says, You know, big pharma pays like 60% of our advertising.
Kent Heckenlively:So if I had a single host have you on his show, I would have to fire that host before the broadcast ended. And so, you know, think about how this money has just corrupted our system, you know? And what I keep saying is, and your Frankenstein example is great, what does the monster fear? Peasants with pitchforks and torches going up to the castle. Okay.
Kent Heckenlively:So, you know, not suggesting violence. Okay. All right. NSA, if you're listening, not suggesting violence. I'm just saying people need to wake up.
Kent Heckenlively:They need to demand answers because the fact is these people are not as strong as they think they are because they can't convince with rational arguments. I mean, my anti vaccine group has tried for years to have debates with scientists and they won't do it. And it's because they know they'd lose.
Seth Holehouse:So really, it really does come back on the people, which I think is why books like what what you've written, the shows like what I do, documentaries like what Mickey Willis has put out there on Plandemic. Yeah. It's, you know, and I actually, I recently interviewed Doctor. Robert Malone, and one of the key points of the overall discussion was about fifth generation warfare. And how right now there's a war being waged on people, but it isn't fourth generation or third generation with bombs and bullets.
Seth Holehouse:It's all about control of ideas and narratives and propaganda. And so, but the beautiful thing about that is that, you know, I can't fight a third generation war against the enemy. I don't have a tank. I don't have RPG that can take down a jet, but now that the warfare is in the information space, it allows every single person to fight and to use their voice, even a person going to their local community meetings or that, you know, getting involved with their their people surrounding them and sharing information, like this is fighting back against it. Because I agree.
Seth Holehouse:I think that if if more people can pick up their pitchfork and and stand up and kind of even stand outside of the castle with their pitchforks and their torches in hand. Yeah. That's what has to happen. But more people have to get off their butts and just say, you know what, like I have to fight for something.
Kent Heckenlively:Yeah. And it, you know, it's it's not easy to be disagreeable. But it is important for humanity that we are disagreeable. I mean, I'm a huge fan of Jordan Peterson. And all of this talks about, what is a useful man?
Kent Heckenlively:A useful man is a man who can fight and who picks and chooses those things that he is willing to fight for. What is his patch of ground that he will defend with his life? Well, I'm sorry, humanity is the patch of ground that I am willing to fight and die for. And so, sometimes people will say to me, Kent, you're doing all this dangerous stuff. And I respond to them, Well, I win either way.
Kent Heckenlively:Either I live and I succeed or I die and I'm getting the biggest mansion in heaven because I'm doing some real serious stuff down here. So I'm happy to get knocked out in this fight knowing that it's a righteous fight. I mean, Hey, I went either way.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, you can sleep easy at night. Well, Ken, it's been such a pleasure having you on and I'll bring up your book one more time for folks. And you know, you can get it at Barnes and Noble or Amazon, whatever. Just, you know, search for presidential takedown. And not just this, I mean, you've you've written a lot of other books, so people should check out your books.
Seth Holehouse:Do you have a a personal website I can bring up to to show people your whole collection of books?
Kent Heckenlively:Yeah. Yeah. So KentHeckenLivelyBooks.com. KentHeckenLivelyBooks Com. We're also doing a media campaign for my new book on CNN with a forward by James O'Keefe.
Kent Heckenlively:And that media campaign is this was CNN and the hashtag CNN spooks. Yeah, if you go to books there, it'll bring up my whole resume.
Seth Holehouse:Okay, great. So here we go. KentHeckenLivelyBooks.com. And so here, I mean, yeah, I think I probably have half of these books on our bookshelf.
Kent Heckenlively:I've been a busy little boy.
Seth Holehouse:Good for you. Well, Kent, thank you so much for joining us today. And more importantly, thank you for doing what you're doing. I think that if if everyone had that perspective of look, I'd rather fight for something good because if I fight and I die, there's good waiting for me. And if I fight and I win, then there's good waiting for me.
Seth Holehouse:Think that's the perspective that we should have. Because, you know, if we tuck our head between our, you know, and stick our head in the sand, tuck our tail between our legs and run away from things, At the end of it all, we look back and say you look back and you know, your kids are being raised in a communist country. Can you really do you really want to look back and say, well, I didn't really do anything, but I maintained a good, a good relationship with my neighbors. You know, was I didn't ruffle any feathers. Right?
Kent Heckenlively:Yeah. Yeah. So ruffle some feathers everybody.
Seth Holehouse:Yes, absolutely. Alright. Well, thank you again. Take care.