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Flyover Film Country is a podcast about movies set in places oft-forgotten by Hollywood. Olivia Clement and Isaac Sims are your co-hosts, bringing unique perspectives from Arkansas and Oklahoma! Produced by Walter Lyle.
STACK (00:18)
I'm Olivia Clement.
SMOKE (00:19)
I'm Isaac Sims, this is Flyover Film Country, we're saying it together. The Thunder beat the Nuggets tonight. What game is this?
STACK (00:22)
And this is Flyover Film Country.
Yeah, we're really good at this. That's right. And it's Mother's Day.
It was game four of the second round. And the Thunder One. So the series is even now. So TTFU to all who celebrate.
SMOKE (00:34)
You mother lovers. Okay.
haha
What are you drinking tonight?
STACK (00:47)
I'm drinking. I'm not gonna take it out, but it's a peach long drink. No, no, it's a peach long drink.
SMOKE (00:49)
No. Coors banquet. Peach long drink? Okay. Okay.
⁓ we don't have, I haven't had a long drink in a minute. ⁓ I have, I realized that I had Jack Daniel's and I realized I haven't sipped whiskey in...
STACK (00:57)
What are you drinking?
SMOKE (01:10)
Six months? Eight months? It's been a while, so was like, I'll just do that. Made from whole grains.
STACK (01:11)
Wow.
Nice.
Love, love whole grains.
SMOKE (01:19)
So anyway, what are we discussing today, Libia?
STACK (01:22)
Well, let's talk about what we are. This is a film podcast hosted by residents of Arkansas and Oklahoma. And neither of us are the average movie goer, but we also aren't your cousin enrolled in film school at the university. ⁓
SMOKE (01:39)
Central Arkansas.
STACK (01:40)
Central Arkansas, go Bears. But we want everyone to know that movies are great and that we are trying to build a community of film fans here in flyover country. And today we're doing a part two, two of Sinners. Very rare. I don't, this is the first time we've ever done this. Usually we just go on for hours instead of splitting it up. So anyway, so this.
SMOKE (01:44)
the beers.
Very rare. I feel like, I don't know if we've ever done this.
Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
a good point.
STACK (02:09)
This episode is for the heathens.
SMOKE (02:12)
I mean it is Sunday and it's about sinners. Sinners directed by Ryan Coogler starring Michael B. Jordan and Hailee Steinfeld and we just really liked this movie and realized when we finished our first round of recording with our guest Walter Walthal, ⁓ yeah we like missed a bunch of stuff, we didn't talk about the Cherokee, were they Cherokee?
STACK (02:13)
It is Sunday. Sunday Funday. Yup. Hey, we're all sinners.
Pssst!
No, we didn't talk
about that. We didn't talk about... No, it was the Cherokee. Yeah, no, it was the Cherokee. Yeah.
SMOKE (02:41)
Was it Cherokee or a different tribe? Am I messing it up already? Okay, Cherokee Vampire Hunters ⁓
that are introduced along with the film's primary antagonist Remick, played by Jack O'Connell. And we didn't... We talked about the music. I think we're gonna get into the music a little bit more. We're gonna talk about the actors and the performances. There's a lot of stuff to kind of dissect and discuss. And Olivia and I both saw it.
STACK (02:53)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (03:11)
a second time, which is the first, this is the first time I've seen a movie twice in theaters, I think since Dune part two last year. I'm pretty, I'm pretty certain I could be wrong, but we really love this movie, but we are going to talk about a couple things before we jump back into Sinners part two. So first off, Olivia.
STACK (03:12)
Yes.
Okay. Okay. Nice.
Isaac.
SMOKE (03:36)
You watched the highest to lowest trailer, the new film from Spike Lee starring Denzel Washington. It's their fifth collaboration and it's a remake of an Akira Kurosawa movie. Speak on it.
STACK (03:41)
Yes. Yeah. Yes.
which is
really interesting. So I am very excited about it. Here's the deal. Love Spike Lee. We love Spike Lee on this podcast. We also love Denzel. And so seeing them team up again, I am very interested to see where this movie goes. It doesn't...
It doesn't necessarily give a whole lot away in the trailer, but what it does do is tells you that the stakes are high and that there's going to be a lot of, it feels like there's going be a lot of things and it's going to be kind of an intense movie. And so I'm very excited about that. I imagine that Denzel is going to put on a show because he, I just, he's got so much charisma and he steals the show no matter what. I mean, we talked about this when we talked about Gladiator 2 last year?
SMOKE (04:40)
Mm-hmm. Yep, November, yeah.
STACK (04:41)
That was already last year? Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, so we talked about how much we love him last year. And so I imagine we'll probably do the same thing whenever that movie comes out. It is interesting. We were talking about this before the pod, before we started recording this episode. ⁓ It's going to be a limited theatrical release and it's going to be, I believe on Apple TV, right? And so that will be...
SMOKE (05:07)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (05:10)
Kind of a bummer, honestly. But whatever. That's... Whatever. Anyway.
SMOKE (05:15)
Yeah. I think it was the
big picture made a great point that the last several Denzel movies where he's like starred or co-starred have made like I think over $500 million at the box office. So just doesn't make sense that Apple wouldn't make this a wide release. It's really weird that it's like why don't they want to pay for it if they have the budget?
STACK (05:29)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
right.
SMOKE (05:45)
to like, or why won't they want to pay for a full theatrical release if they have the budget for Scorsese to spend, you know, whatever he did on Killers of the Fire Moon. And I'm not saying that as a negative, I'm just saying like in terms of like hard numbers reported for production budget, or I'm sure highest to lowest cost at least a hundred million to make. ⁓ I'm pulling that out of my ass, I haven't looked anything up yet, so I don't know, it is strange.
STACK (05:46)
I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
Right. Right.
Mm-hmm.
Right. Well,
yeah, it's strange and we don't-
need to spend a whole lot of on it. But I do think it's interesting that you talk about how much money Denzel has brought in because he feels like Denzel feels like one of the last few movie stars that most people are going to be like, OK, I'll go see a Denzel movie. You know what I mean? Like go out of their way to see a Denzel movie. So I don't know why you wouldn't want to put that out there. But, know, I'm not in charge of Apple. I don't know what they're doing. Feels like they like making stuff and losing money on it. So that's on them.
SMOKE (06:46)
Yeah, exactly.
STACK (06:47)
But anyway, yeah, so excited about that. And then also in other in other news, Jake Schreier, who directed Thunderbolts, which will be our next episode. ⁓ He is being rumored to direct the next X-Men movie. So do you have thoughts, feelings about that?
SMOKE (07:10)
Did you watch beef?
STACK (07:13)
No, I didn't watch Beef. I think I had a really heavy caseload at the time and I was like, I can't watch this kind of intense, emotionally intense show.
SMOKE (07:20)
Yeah,
it is emotionally intense, but it's also like...
Pretty dang, it's really, really good. I watched it ⁓ when I had strep throat a couple years ago, like the summer that it came out and it was number one on Netflix. And I watched the whole thing in one day because I couldn't move, I couldn't talk, I couldn't eat anything. And so I just had to literally watch something to take my mind off of how much pain I was in. And that's a better, I think better showcase of ⁓
STACK (07:29)
Yeah.
Okay. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (07:57)
Jake Shryer's finesse. I might be giving away a little bit how I feel about Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts didn't love Thunderbolts. I think you and I are pretty aligned on it. Maybe you'd be a little bit lower. my main thing with, if it's X-Men, it's not that X-Men is huge. X-Men had Jordan Peele in talks to direct. And strangely enough, that didn't go anywhere.
STACK (08:07)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (08:28)
And it just depends on like what kind of X-Men it's gonna be. And that's why I'm just kinda like, okay, mean, Marvel always hires pretty pliable, flexible directors. They can kinda nudge or shove in the direction that they wanna go. And so if he wants to be on board with that, I don't know, it's not like the most exciting ⁓ pick for me personally, but I'm not like,
STACK (08:32)
Sure. Sure.
Mm-hmm.
Sure.
SMOKE (08:58)
totally against it. So, what do think?
STACK (08:59)
Sure. I do think it probably depends on what kind of X-Men story they do. ⁓ Here's the thing with the X-Men. I think that the X-Men 97 was so good. Like the animated series on Disney Plus was so good.
that I would love to see something like that, but I feel... but again, this is always... I say this all the time when we talk about superhero stuff. I think that animation is a much better medium for superhero stuff. And so that's one of the reasons why I think X-Man 97 works so well and trying to make that into a...
live-action film might be difficult. However, I really liked Thunderbolts. I really enjoyed it. I think I enjoyed it probably more than you, but we'll talk about that next time. We'll talk about that next time. So I'm just... it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see who they end up directing... choosing to direct that. So, but yeah. So, ⁓ speaking of things we've watched, X-Men 97 is something we both watched, but what have you been watching recently? was like...
SMOKE (10:07)
⁓ Andor. I've been watching Andor and just basking in the glory of what is not only like probably the best Star Wars story that's ever been put to screen, but some of the best television of the last 10 years. It like, truly is astounding how good it is. It is just so, so powerful. Especially
STACK (10:09)
Okay, I still haven't watched it yet.
Mm-hmm.
it. I'm gonna watch it after we get done recording.
SMOKE (10:36)
especially the last set of three episodes that came out last week, time of this recording. I've been watching that. I've been watching the Last of Us part two, which is I've felt less warm about, but still intrigued by, less as a fan of the show, although I still enjoy it and more just like fascinated by how you adapt something like
STACK (10:40)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (11:05)
that video game, and specifically part two, not just part one and part two, but specifically part two, into a television visual story and how you separate some of the things that you experience as a person playing a video game. I have been watching more TV than movies recently. I'm watching Caddyshack with my dad tomorrow. I've never seen it. And he said, we have to watch Caddyshack.
STACK (11:06)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's fun. I've also never seen it.
SMOKE (11:34)
So I was like, okay, let's watch it.
STACK (11:35)
Okay, cool. Nice. Nice. So I haven't been watching a whole lot recently. One thing I did watch was this visual album called Tall Tells. Have you heard of it? So it's...
SMOKE (11:38)
What about you?
Huh.
STACK (11:53)
The music is done by Tom York of Radiohead. And so of course it's going to be like weird. And I went, one of my friends, her name is Lee, she and her partner, Alyssa, invited me to go see it with them. And so I saw it and I was not really sure what to expect. It was like, oh, they only released it for one night and it was last Thursday. So, um, May 7th, I think.
is when they released it. no, sorry, 8th. May 8th is when they released it. And it was only available at the...here it was only available at the Oklahoma City Museum and Art Museum. And it was...yeah, it was cool. It was...that was cool. I hated it. Like, it...it was interesting because it really, like, it felt like it was a...go ahead. Yes.
SMOKE (12:30)
Hmm. that's cool.
How do you feel? Can I pause you? Do
you have like, I really do not care for Radiohead.
STACK (12:53)
I...they're fine. I understand people love them. I'm not like...I could probably tell you...
SMOKE (12:55)
Okay. Right.
STACK (13:02)
maybe two Radiohead songs outside of Creep. I don't know. Actually, now they say that. I don't know if I could actually do that. But I don't really care. I don't listen to them a lot, so I don't necessarily care for them. But yeah.
SMOKE (13:15)
Sure, I just thought that would be valuable
to ⁓ frame your assessment of this visual. What is it so as a visual out?
STACK (13:19)
Sure. Yeah, that's also probably important. it
is a visual album and Tom York is really weird anyway and interesting anyway, but it seemed like it was more of a commentary on like the use of AI and art, but it was also made with AI and which I thought was really interesting. Yes. Yeah. And so it was just
SMOKE (13:41)
I already hate that.
STACK (13:47)
It was weird and I felt like he was also trying to make a commentary over the environment and, you know, global warming and this kind of all that kind of stuff. And I'm just like, okay, but AI is also making those things worse. Like, what are we doing? Anyway, but it was also, I was nauseated. Like it gave me motion sickness. The first like four, four or five songs on the album.
SMOKE (14:04)
Yes.
Huh.
STACK (14:17)
⁓ What was interesting though is it almost kind of felt like I was watching someone play a video game. would, you know how in like, like a Mario game, you kind of have to go from like spot to spot on the map and then once you get to that spot on the map, it'll take you to the level. That's kind of how it was. There was like a little bird character that went from spot to spot throughout this map and it would take you to the next like ⁓ music video almost. And so that was kind of interesting.
The bird was really cute, but it was a lot of AI and it made me sick to my, like physically sick to my stomach. Not because I am so anti AI, but mostly because I have, as I've gotten older, motion sickness has become a real big issue for me. So, which is really, really upsetting. But anyway, it was really weird.
SMOKE (15:02)
Mm-hmm.
I can't do
40 rides at theme parks anymore. It makes me sick. And I have like pretty strong stomach, so I'm with you there. Okay, so tell me about like, this was at the Oklahoma City Museum of Fine Art?
STACK (15:12)
Ooh. Yeah. Yeah.
art yeah museum of art and so which is like kind of downtown and i say downtown it's more mid midtown-ish ⁓ it's not too far from like the paycom or like where the thunder played and so it's they what i really like about this this museum is there's a there's an auditorium until they'll they'll play a lot of
foreign films there and a lot of stuff that like you're just not going to see elsewhere. And so that's they they did a re-release of all the Oscar movies. And so that's where I saw the substance. They did a screening of the
It was a music documentary that I watched there.
Now I can't think of the name of the band. ⁓ Velvet Underground. was Velvet Underground. It was there. It was there. It was really good. It was really good. Yeah, it was cool. So I really do appreciate that the museum does that, but I was not a fan of it. It was really experimental, and I don't know if I'm that high brow. I don't think I like experimental like that.
SMOKE (16:17)
Yeah, it's okay. How many people were there? yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard that was really good. Yeah, I've heard people say that was like incredible.
Yeah.
STACK (16:44)
Anyway, that's what I watch recently.
SMOKE (16:45)
How many people were there? Was it like a couple hundred or?
STACK (16:48)
There was a...no,
it wasn't quite that many. I'd say there's probably 60-ish people. So, not a lot, but I...they were people who I'm like, I bet they all love Radiohead.
SMOKE (17:04)
Sure, but like how was their reaction? people was there like a quiet murmur or was there an undercurrent of like what like after?
STACK (17:13)
I think, I think I couldn't really tell. was trying to like pay attention to what other people were saying. And I, at one point I was like, okay, I need to look up to see how everyone else is reacting. Am I the only one who feels nauseated right now? And my friend Alyssa was sitting next to me and she also was nauseated and feeling that way. And, ⁓ which made me feel better. But my friend Lee was, she really liked it. She, she was about it, but she's also really big into Radiohead. So I think that also helps.
So, ⁓ yeah, it was it, but it was just really interesting. So I was reading reviews on Letterboxd to see how other people were receiving it. And it was kind of across the board of people were either super into it or they absolutely hated it. anyway, but it was just cool. It was cool to see something really different and obscure.
SMOKE (18:05)
Mm-hmm. Quick plug for just like the, the organizations that put on events like that. I'm assuming that's kind of through like the Oklahoma cinema society or something along those lines. the Arkansas cinema society will do similar screenings like that. And that's how I saw the brutalist, in December. And they also screened flow.
STACK (18:20)
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (18:36)
And then the year before they screened a free screening of the zone of interest. I think like in January or February before leading up to the Oscars and that film obviously won best international feature in 2024. And those, those, like those organizations are awesome and they are usually privately funded. I mean, I feel like most of them are privately funded entirely and
STACK (18:42)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (19:03)
are a great way to experience either older things that are kind of experiencing a revival or an anniversary or something like that. definitely those of you who are listening, go check those out in your state because they're awesome or an adjacent state if you're near one.
STACK (19:20)
Yeah,
yeah, the Oklahoma City Museum of Art has a film society that's attached to it. And so it that's how they put those things on. So it's it's pretty cool. So anyway. Yeah, I was going to say, speaking of film, let's talk about Sinners. So, OK, we've both had some time to think about this movie. And so I'm curious, Isaac, for you. ⁓
SMOKE (19:34)
word. You want to jump into Sina's?
STACK (19:50)
What was, how has your opinion of this movie changed upon the initial reaction to kind of where you're at now?
SMOKE (20:00)
And okay, I gotta say one thing up front. ⁓
STACK (20:02)
cut.
SMOKE (20:05)
I felt like while the experience of, and we talked about this a little bit ⁓ on our first episode, the experience of seeing Sinners and IMAX together, Yumi, Walter and Walker and Jess, my wife, was amazing. this is this, like I saw Thunderbolts the week after we, or a couple of weeks after we saw Sinners also in IMAX. And I think that that theater,
STACK (20:17)
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (20:35)
that IMAX at Chanal 9 AMC has like not great sound. And I remember thinking that like it's just not balanced correctly because I had a hard time, I don't have bad hearing, but I had a hard time like discerning dialogue in centers when we saw it. And I don't know if you felt the same way. I don't think we didn't talk about this at all in our first episode on the movie.
STACK (20:45)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
No. Yeah. No.
SMOKE (21:05)
⁓ So you didn't have that issue?
STACK (21:09)
I don't think I really paid that much attention to it the first time, but now that you're talking about it, I think when I, so I saw it the second time at the Warren Theater and Moore, which is like, that was like one of the first IMAX theaters in Oklahoma. And so it's like, it's older, but I think they do a really good job of keeping it nice and it feels like it's up to date. And so with this, I...
SMOKE (21:25)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (21:35)
felt, I know that we're talking about this, I yeah, I do think that I was able to hear the dialogue. I just thought I understood the dialogue better because I had already seen it. So.
SMOKE (21:44)
Yes, yep. I, so
this, my second screening, so your second screening was at an IMAX, so it had like the aspect ratio change similar to, that was like something that just gave, me chills just thinking about it because it was such a wonderful use of IMAX format that obviously I didn't get in my second screening because I saw it at just a normal screen, it wasn't in IMAX whenever I was able to go see it again for the second time. I saw it in just a normal theater.
STACK (21:51)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
SMOKE (22:12)
and I could hear everything so much better and like understand what people are saying. So I wanted to like say that upfront. But for that being said, whatever, do think that yes, IMAX at AMC Chenal 9 needs to get their stuff together and have someone come in and just balance it. And because I'm, I can't be the only one who thinks that way if you're kind of starting to think along the same lines, but
STACK (22:32)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (22:41)
thinking more about centers and less about technical stuff. ⁓ I really think this is that centers as a masterpiece of like new, like new genre. I really believe that Ryan Coogler kind of created this new vision of genre. And so in the, in the thing that I kept like coming back to that, was like, just
STACK (23:05)
Say more.
SMOKE (23:11)
love that this is in this movie that is that I haven't seen in almost any other movie is just this sort of confidence that comes from a filmmaker and writer ⁓ like doing both like writing and directing the movie executing the vision but then also having the confidence to say all this stuff is going on we know vampires are about to get in but we're going to have like
a seven minute conversation. I don't know if it was really that long, but the, the, point is that there was an interruption where Haley Steinfeld and Michael B. Jordan have a in-depth conversation where the movie like doesn't grind to a halt, but it comes to a halt. And the movie is telling you like, this is the most important thing you need to be paying attention to. And at any given point in the movie, whether it's like that or
STACK (24:00)
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (24:09)
a scene of like people making love or a car ride where Delroy Lindo was talking about how he almost made it big and then his buddy got lynched in the train station.
STACK (24:23)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (24:26)
It's like...
There's so much like, why is the movie slowing down? But then you also forget to be bothered by it because it's not bothersome. It's like...
everything weaves to get like it's like a full tapestry in the same in the in a way that just like not only like basic movies but like genre movies like horror movies about vampires definitely are not it's so epic but it's also very very intimate and like human level which is so foreign and so rare and ⁓ you know the fight scene is the entire movie and so many other
STACK (24:50)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Yes.
SMOKE (25:16)
genre, comparable genre movies, and therefore it means nothing. But in this movie, it's like, we only really get like one fight scene or like, know, you could maybe argue breaks into two or three. ⁓ but yeah, so that's, that's what I mean by it's like, I really think that there there's just nothing, there's nothing like this movie. And I get really excited thinking about it and talking about it.
STACK (25:18)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, this movie for me, I coming off of it, you know, obviously, we all had such a great time watching it. We were all real jazz coming out of the theater. And really, I like I could not stop thinking about it afterwards. And I don't know what movie I've seen.
This year, that's the only time that's happened, right? I really just thought about this movie for days and weeks after I saw it. And after seeing it again, that was also the case. Like, it just reinforced this, like, excitement about film in general for me that I haven't had all year and probably haven't had to this extent since Dune Part II or even, like, too a lot...
I don't want to say lesser extent because they're very different movies, but like Perfect Days was another movie like that where I just thought about it for a really long time afterwards. Obviously for very different reasons. But with this, like coming out of it, the second time I watched it, I watched it with my friends, Madeline and Faith, and Faith afterwards, she was like, I think this is the greatest film I've ever seen. Like, I think this is the greatest film. Yeah.
SMOKE (26:57)
My younger sister had the exact same reaction. said this is
best movie I've seen in like as long as I can remember. Yeah.
STACK (27:06)
Yeah,
because it does what you said. It weaves this tapestry. I really like that language that you use. It weaves this tapestry and everything is important and I'm not a filmmaker. And I've seen where a lot of ⁓ filmmakers have said, you know, like think David Lynch has said this. I've seen a few other ones say, if I put it in a movie, it was important. And, you know, again, I'm not filmmaker.
SMOKE (27:31)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (27:36)
watching this movie though, watching Sinners, it felt like everything did really matter to the furthering of the plot for the character development for whatever was going to happen next. Like it mattered. And so in a way that I don't know how many films do that well. And so that was really cool to see that. And
and the characters were also interesting. Like I felt like I knew them really well and I wanted almost more of them. Not in the sense of like, now we should have a whole entire like franchise from this film. I'm not saying that, but you know, with Remick, I wouldn't be mad about it.
SMOKE (28:07)
Mm-hmm.
But also I wouldn't be mad if we didn't get a franchise.
STACK (28:28)
⁓ But you know, like with Remick's character, when he at the kind of towards the end when he's talking about or when the Lord's Prayer is being recited, right? And as Sammy is saying it, talks about, Remick talks about how he remembers the people who stole his father's land.
saying that, but it brought him comfort. I was like, ⁓ I want to know all about that. Like what happened? How did was he a vampire already? Did he become a vampire later? Like what happened there? I need to know everything about that. But yeah, the more I've thought about this movie, the more it feels like like what you're saying a masterpiece and I'm going to be pissed if it doesn't win all the awards later at the Oscars next year.
SMOKE (29:17)
Yep.
The other, you know, we were driving today and Jess and I were talking about this episode and I said, you know, the second, I said there's a lot of things we just didn't talk about in the first episode that we're gonna touch on more. And one of the things I wanted to kind of talk about that I'm sure you picked up on is so much of the things
STACK (29:33)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (29:47)
I think we'll discuss are apparent and we realized, but I think like the meaningfulness of its presence in the movie deepened or it became more apparent like the second time I watched it. I'm sure that was the case for you as well. But one of my favorite scenes in the movie and kind of going back to that theme I was talking about, we're like, why does the movie like feel like it's losing speed? And then you realize it's not.
STACK (29:54)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (30:15)
It's not like losing speed, the timbre of the soundtrack of the movie is like changing to like make you feel something completely different, but also in harmony with what the movie is about. And that's the scene where Haley Steinfeld's character, Mary, goes out to talk to the poor...
STACK (30:21)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (30:43)
white folk that they turned away who are vampires and I was like good, but she's going to talk to them. I first of all, I didn't realize she's going to talk to them because they need more money. Like I thought they were doing fine financially the first time I saw it, but then I realized no, they're going to be underwater and they need to like make more money and that's why she went out there and it's Jack O'Connell, Lola Kirk and Peter ⁓ Dre Manis ⁓ characters Lola's Joan and Peter Dre Manis is Bert.
STACK (30:44)
Great.
Right.
SMOKE (31:13)
And they're the KKK couple that got turned into vampires and they're all singing Wild Mountain Time or Will You Go Lassie Go? And that scene is so beautiful because it's like, you know they're bad, but Coogler just in the song is like, hey, you feel sorry for these people. And it's like both as people and as vampires.
STACK (31:13)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (31:42)
But then, and you feel that the first time, but then I didn't realize and pay attention to the fact that like, as a shared mind of a clan of vampires, they all like can feel each other's memories and understand. that's why he was able to like speak Japanese later on and Chinese. ⁓ sorry. Yeah. So, but that's why I realized like, that's how they can like play the instruments and that's how they can play that song.
STACK (31:55)
Mm-hmm.
Chinese.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (32:12)
and do the Irish accents and like know the song and like as if they were Jack O'Connell. And it was a really beautiful thing. Like the second time I saw it, it like moved me to tears because I was, it's like this, it's not, it's not really about like the plight of the Irish, but it's just, it's a callback to like, this is the real history of America, but it's also not like a heavy handed sort of like, yeah, this is like the history of America.
STACK (32:15)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (32:41)
You know what I mean? And that's like perfect genre entertainment to me. So the meaning is there if you want it to be there. So.
STACK (32:41)
Mm. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, well, because it's like...
Right,
right. And so you could walk into this movie and not know anything about the Irish history as a country and then also just Irish Americans. you could just not know anything about that. You could not know anything about Chinese Americans, especially in the South. And B,
really entertained in this movie and really captivated by it. But I think if you, like you said, if you look for the meaning, it's there in the sense of... not even if you look for it, it's there regardless. Like that's true no matter what. But if... right, but if you're paying attention or if you know anything about that, right, like you know that the Irish have not been treated...
SMOKE (33:28)
But it won't be for like all audiences. ⁓
STACK (33:42)
very well throughout American history because the British hate the Irish and that's a mutual feeling and because the British, I mean as we know, colonized everything including Ireland and so there's there's this mistreatment of the Irish throughout history but we don't really think about that a whole lot I think.
here in the South or here in flyover country because that's not like as big of a part of I think our history, our state's history. And so, but yeah, so you like you're like, how does that of suck that they couldn't get in, but also like, we also we know the South and we know, well, white people are not always great to people of color. So it makes sense. It makes it makes sense. So yeah, that was
SMOKE (34:15)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (34:36)
So you didn't pick up on that the first time you watched it, that that's why Haley's character of Mary went out there to try to get more money. ⁓ Yeah. And what else did you pick up on the second time?
SMOKE (34:44)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
⁓ that was really the biggest, that was like, that was the biggest thing to me. I mean, like the laughs were still really funny. especially Delroy Lindo just saying like, do y'all smell anything? I think I shit my pants. He was really, really funny. And, ⁓ I think I don't know why, but like whenever they're eating the scene where they're eating the garlic, ⁓ that was
STACK (34:59)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Anyway.
⁓ I shit my pants. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (35:21)
I don't know why, that was like even funnier the second time because I heard in the first, I was actually able to make out that like Delroy Lindo's character, ⁓ said he was reacting the way he did because like Delta slim says, like I've had so much Irish beer tonight and my stomach is like, this is, it's, it's like not because I'm a vampire, but then they also realize, they also realize like,
STACK (35:39)
Mm-hmm.
Uh-huh.
SMOKE (35:52)
wait, that dude fell in this is wine. And then they're like, and it goes to him being outside. And that was a lot funnier to me the second time because I think like I was a little bit more calibrated to what was going on. That, that scene did not play for laughs. And I think maybe it was intended to be like a, it is kind of funny, but it didn't in our first screening. I don't think people like found that as funny. ⁓
STACK (35:54)
Why, yeah.
Yes.
huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
SMOKE (36:19)
But yeah,
it was funnier the second time around. He's like, ⁓ guys, me in, let me in.
STACK (36:22)
It was funnier the second time around.
Is there some weird shit going on out here? It was funnier the second time around because again, like I knew it was coming, but it's like, it's, this movie is a lot funnier than I think most people were expecting it to be or like anticipating because the trailer is very serious and kind of dark. And so, and you know, it's about vampires and
SMOKE (36:37)
yeah.
STACK (36:49)
The only funny vampire movie that's actually supposed to be funny is that I've seen is What We Do in the Shadows. know, every... Yeah. You know, Twilight's funny, but not because it's trying to be funny. It's funny because... Yeah. It's funny because it had zero budget and you could tell and ⁓ Robert Pattinson and...
SMOKE (36:56)
Yep. That is like high quality as well. Yeah.
STACK (37:17)
Kristen Stewart were, like, they hated their entire lives during the filming of those movies. So, you know, it's funny because we as a society have,
made fun of it together. Like it's just become part of like meme culture. But this movie was actually pretty funny. ⁓ Delroy Lindo, who we didn't really we didn't really talk a whole lot about the cast last time. And so that's one of the reasons why we wanted to do a part two is to talk about the cast. He is so good. He is so good in everything. But he
he was really funny in it and I think some of his character was comedic relief but also you you mentioned this earlier the scene where they're in the car and he's talking about how they were gonna move he and his buddy were gonna move to Arkansas and they were gonna hit it you know try to try to hit it big as musicians until his buddy got lynched that I watched an interview where he said that that scene was almost cut like that monologue was almost cut
but he's really grateful that it didn't get cut because to him, that's the whole point of this film. And I think to me, it of feels like, it feels like ⁓ this is really such a silly thing to compare it to, but I'm going to compare it to it because it's something of recent. It's a recent film that I think most people have seen and kind of get this. You know, the scene in Barbie where
where Margot Robbie is at the bus stop and she looks over to the older woman and she says, you're so beautiful. And the older woman's like, I know. And it's kind of funny, but it's really sweet. Warner Brothers wanted to cut that scene, but Greta Gerwig fought for it because she's like, if I don't have the scene, then the movie doesn't work. And that scene is the whole point of the movie. And I think it would be...
SMOKE (39:06)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
STACK (39:19)
easy to remove that scene and Barbie would still be fine. And I think you can remove that scene where Delroy Lindo gives that speech and it would still be fine. But to me it adds another layer of importance and history to this character and to the whole overarching story that would not
SMOKE (39:44)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (39:46)
It would not be as impactful without it, I think. Does that make sense?
SMOKE (39:49)
Yes,
I agree completely. I agree completely. I love, I'm going to take what you said and run with it a little bit. The, so I love that, and I actually picked up on this the first time that we saw the movie. I love that the first third is like, Hey, we're getting the gang back together. said, I didn't expect to see this like in a vampire movie in the South, set in the South, but it's like really cool. And
STACK (39:56)
Yeah.
Yeah
SMOKE (40:14)
And I'm like, that's Delroy Lindo. I didn't know that he was in this, because I had been looking at a lot of stuff about this movie leading up to its release. ⁓ You're so right, because it's all purposeful, and it all kind of points to, you know, take Cornbread. All you need to know is, like, Cornbread is a sharecropper. And he's getting those, like, ⁓ plantation coins, probably.
STACK (40:18)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah.
SMOKE (40:44)
⁓
but also he's going to get paid more tonight than like what he would have been, ⁓ paid picking cotton that day. And that's, that's really like, if if you are paying attention, that's, that's what you need to know about him. And it's also really funny what, ⁓
STACK (40:52)
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (41:01)
stack is the one is stack the one or smoke the one i think it's stack who was there trying to recruit him ⁓
STACK (41:08)
who picks them up,
it's stack. Yeah.
SMOKE (41:12)
It's stack, yeah.
What he says to his wife is like, is really, it's really vulgar, but also really, really funny. ⁓ And that's what you need to know about cornbread. But I think you're so right. Like, Delta slim Delroy Lindo's character. You have to have that scene because it all comes down to like everybody who is left. Once everybody else has turned into a vampire, ⁓ you.
STACK (41:18)
Really funny. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (41:41)
you're so intimately connected to what led them to be the last people standing in that juke joint. We didn't talk at all about Umi Mosaku's character in the first episode that we did, but...
STACK (41:44)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
my gosh. Annie? No. Yeah.
SMOKE (42:09)
just devastating introduction to a character when you realize she and smoke had a child together and he died and then they were separated but they're still in love and it's just like the most beautiful scene. yeah, so that's what I love about everybody who has left, you're like, oh my gosh, who was gonna make it? I think you could argue like Grace,
STACK (42:13)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (42:39)
and Grace and Bo are a little bit like they don't get quite as much screen time except you know that they have some sort of relationship with Smoke and Stack back in the day and then the young gal that ⁓ Sammy falls in love with all you know is that she's not happy in her marriage and that's why she's there and that's also funny but Perlene yeah so anyway I do love that aspect so
STACK (42:43)
⁓ yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Perlene. Yeah. Who, that actress who plays her,
Jamie Lawson who plays Perlene, she's in The Batman as the candidate for mayor. That's her. She plays Bella Riel.
SMOKE (43:17)
⁓ okay.
Nice, nice.
STACK (43:22)
Anyway, the whole time I was like, why do I know who this girl is? And I looked it up and that's who she was. But yeah, it was interesting to see the dynamics of like kind of the final survivors. And what I really loved was that Annie clocked it almost immediately that something was off. And what I appreciate about this movie is that it could have been written and I feel like this a lesser
SMOKE (43:41)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (43:52)
director and a lesser screenwriter would have written it this way where they kind of turn on each other and cast doubt on Annie saying something's wrong, this ain't right. But they immediately, smoke immediately was like...
okay, he was like listening to her and and was believing what she was saying when it really could have been written another way where like they were like, no, you're a woman, so we're not going to listen to you. Right. ⁓ And so that's something that I really appreciate. It's it's real subtle. It's real small. Like, I don't know how many people actually paid attention to that. But it was something I noticed that was like, that's that is, I think, really fantastic. And also speaks to the the
relationship that Smoke and Annie have and how much they trust each other despite like their estrangement. That he trusted her in this moment of, Annie wouldn't just say that. And so that's something that I really, really appreciated about that moment. And when Cornbread is trying to get back into the joint and Smoke's like,
SMOKE (45:03)
Yeah.
STACK (45:08)
You've come in and out all day long, why do you need an invitation now? And Cornbread goes, we gotta be kind to one another.
SMOKE (45:17)
We got some- got into one another!
STACK (45:20)
It's so good. It's so funny. But yeah, I really, I really appreciated that. And I think that speaks to Ryan Coogler and how he, I don't think we talked about this. He saw that like Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan both like work with their wives. And, and he, seems like
SMOKE (45:21)
Yeah.
STACK (45:45)
Ryan Coogler and Christopher Nolan have really developed a great like almost like mentorship relationship and and so he saw that Christopher Nolan's wife Emma Thompson not to be confused with the actress different Emma Thompson you know they worked
SMOKE (45:49)
Yes.
STACK (46:05)
together really well and know each other really well and so he was like I'm gonna get my wife to do this with me and so I thought that was really cool that he was able to like do that with his wife who I can't remember what her name is off the top of my head Mrs. Coogler
SMOKE (46:12)
Mm-hmm.
If you, I will recommend, I'm not sure if you've seen it, the big picture interview with Ryan Coogler, the weekend that Sinners released is amazing because he talks about all this advice that Christopher Nolan gave him. He like calls him Chris and he talks about like, he's like, no Sean, okay, can I?
STACK (46:31)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
SMOKE (46:47)
Can I nerd out on you for a second? He said, please, please go ahead. And he goes, okay, I'm going to talk about some camera and lenses and all these techniques for a second. And he goes into this rabbit hole and it's so awesome because he's like, Christopher Nolan told me, like we're shooting Killian Murphy, like with an IMAX and he's in bed and he's like all the way up on it. And he's like, now these cameras, they weigh like hundreds of pounds. So you gotta be really nimble and you gotta be really fast and playing it out. And like the way that he talks about it is so awesome and full of life. So.
STACK (46:48)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (47:16)
I was like one thing I was gonna recommend. ⁓ Going back to like the cornbread, like the writing in that scene when he's trying to get back inside and you are watching it and seeing, I like I've seen vampire movies before, but I've never seen.
event like a series of or I've never seen vampires in a movie where they turn so quickly, you know, over the course of like just several minutes or they turn into a vampire and they immediately have this sense of like, this is how I deceive the people I know because I know them, but I also have like a completely different goal as like a being now. And my goal is to get inside and eat them, but I'm also bound by these like laws.
STACK (47:45)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yes.
SMOKE (48:07)
And I love the way that like the genre stuff got woven in and like I could, I literally could watch like five more of these movies. Even if they were like in descending ⁓ degrees of quality. It's so fun watching just like.
STACK (48:13)
Mm-hmm.
Sure. Yeah.
sure.
SMOKE (48:27)
It's like, this is like set in the South. We could do one, ⁓ like during the civil war. Like you could think about like if they wanted to mine American history, it is like a perfect genre because there's always folklore involved ⁓ in any country's history. I get really excited thinking about that just in terms of like, you got colonialism, there are colonial days, you got civil war, you got world war two.
STACK (48:29)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (48:56)
You got like all these incredible periods leading up to the modern day that I would just love to see another character like Cornbread like trying to get inside someone's house but he turned into a vampire like because he went outside to smoke a blunt or something like that. So yeah.
STACK (49:01)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, which performance really stood out to you or were you most like maybe surprised by? Like, there's a lot of really good performances in this movie. So, like, which one stood out to you or really just caught you off guard?
SMOKE (49:34)
Miles, Miles Caten. ⁓ Is that who says last name? Caten. ⁓ Yeah, Sammy's like, Sammy's the lead of this movie and I kind of ashamed I didn't like talk about him before now, but he's really like the driving force of this movie. He's the first person you see and he's the last person you see. He's kind of the start and end of the tapestry.
STACK (49:36)
Yeah. I think so.
K.
SMOKE (50:04)
of in kind of as a foil against as a human against the vampires in the movie but also like a I wanted to ask you what you thought about this like the whole hey son you need to let go of the music you need to let go of the devil but then he decides like just to abandon that way of life the religious life that his father has devoted himself to
STACK (50:20)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (50:32)
and
he devotes himself to music. So I wanted to ask you about that sub-theme of the movie that kind of... It's such a beautiful ending to the movie, even if you don't include the post-credits scene where Mary and ⁓ Stac come in to see Sammy when he's older, played by Buddy Guy. What did you think about that aspect of the story in terms of...
STACK (50:37)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah
SMOKE (51:01)
We were all
kind of driven by something. We're all like kind of enslaved to our history because we don't get to choose where we're born or what time and space we're born. But like in terms of like those decisions, we do get to make that like change the course of our life. I don't know. Had you, had you like thought about that as a theme really? Cause I hadn't until recently as I've been dissecting it.
STACK (51:06)
Mm-hmm.
I haven't thought about it a whole lot. I think kind of off the cuff though with it, you know
We're both Christians, we're both practicing Christians. And so I think for me coming from that perspective, it does, it's like, ⁓ I don't know if that was a good idea, buddy. But also his father seemed to be very much like a kind of fire brimstone type of preacher, which is like, that was like common in the South, especially within the Baptist denomination and everything like that. And that doesn't feel...
congruent with my religious beliefs. That being said though, think like we all, like you said, we all make decisions that shape our lives and we are shaped by things that are outside of our control, like where we're born, what our skin color looks like, like all these things are outside of our control, but what are we gonna do within that? I think
The line where he's talking to Stack at the end, where he says, you know, before the sun went down, that was the best day of my life. Right? And I think...
That is what led to his decision to continue to pursue music was that he
SMOKE (52:53)
Hmm. ⁓
STACK (52:58)
felt connected to his cousins, to his family in a way he probably doesn't nor- he hadn't really felt connected to. He felt, probably felt like this authenticity that he wasn't able to really express. And I think that's, that's often the case with like, preacher's kids. Is that they, or anyone who does grow up in a really conservative religious household. ⁓ it's something I see a lot when I work with clients is this like,
this desire for authenticity and they feel like they can't be authentic in this certain way that comes with conservative Christianity.
And so I think like it's almost kind of we've talked about this before, That nostalgia is a hell of a drug. And I think that that's maybe what is also at play for him too, is this trying to like chase this, this high of like, okay, before, before that was like the worst night of my life, that was the best day of my life. And so if I can just recreate that feeling, then
SMOKE (54:03)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (54:10)
then maybe things will be better, right? And so does that all that makes it? I feel like I kind of rambled on, that's as I'm kind of thinking about this, maybe for the first time, that's kind of what my thought is on that. What about you?
SMOKE (54:12)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah, and just the fact that like, I love that, I mean it's layered, but it's also like, the point of the movie isn't the layers of the themes, but that is kind of the theme of the movie, like it ends with, hey, he got to go on and become basically Buddy Guy, like one of the best guitarists, blues guitarists ever. And, yeah.
STACK (54:36)
Right.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Did you see, did you catch it? I didn't catch this the first time, but on the second time, his like club where he's playing at the end in the post credit scene, did you see what the name of the club is? It's Perline. Perline's is what it's called. So then that, that to me feels going, kind of going back to my point of like kind of just chasing what, what could have been.
SMOKE (55:02)
Mm-mm.
that's cool.
Mm-hmm.
STACK (55:19)
And to some extent, think we all can fall into that if we aren't careful. And I think, like, we talked about this, you and I talked about this when we talked about it, I saw the TV glow of like, we can get really stuck in these certain ways of trying to make our lives look a certain way of what we thought it would look like when we were younger.
But we have to make the effort to like really step outside of that and readjust and recalibrate as we get over it as like life throws new things at us. And I wonder if Sammy had a really hard time with that because of.
And this, think this is the case with anyone who has some sort of like really just traumatic. I mean, this is like the most traumatic thing that could happen to a person, right? Is witnessing all of that death and all of that. And he even talks about how he wakes up sometimes with like nightmares ⁓ or from nightmares. And so I think it's really easy when stuff like that happens, you get stuck in that and trying to like move past it is really difficult.
SMOKE (56:26)
Mm-hmm.
STACK (56:30)
And so in some ways he did move past it because he continued to pursue his music career and had this very successful music career that we see it there at the end. And also, you know, naming it Perlean's, thinking, still thinking that was the best day of his life and recreating that guitar.
that he had, you know, and so there's just lots of things that again, this movie is so layered. But again, that's not necessarily the point of the movie. So I don't know.
SMOKE (57:04)
But it also
like it can be and it's like the epilogue. love the, it's almost like Coogler is saying it could be the main point of the movie if you wanted to take it that way or if you stayed for that. It's like just 30 seconds after the credits start rolling where Mary and Stack roll back in and you get that flashback with him playing in the guitar. Cause that may have been the point where when Stack has that reaction of like,
STACK (57:17)
Sure.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
SMOKE (57:33)
Holy shit. can play like a professional and you sound, you are going to be famous. And he just like, does like, let's have that yell in the car. And he's like, let's make some money. Like it's almost cause, cause stack asks him in the club, you could do this forever. If you want me to, I'll, I'll give it to you and we can, you can do this forever. And same, he's like, you know, I think I'm good. Like, and, and it's like a funny sort of.
STACK (57:37)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
SMOKE (58:04)
⁓ commentary on you get, gotta figure out your purpose for living, ⁓ in the midst of like all the terrible things you're born into experience and then, ⁓ like just, just striving and fighting to have the enough autonomy to move forward on your own terms. ⁓ is really beautiful and I really like,
STACK (58:11)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
SMOKE (58:34)
I don't know any other vampire movies that do that, so... ⁓
STACK (58:37)
Yeah,
yeah. And it really is about like, okay, what are you going to do with what you got? You know, and Sammy had this incredible talent and everyone saw that and it had a horrific, traumatic experience and still decided to... Because he could have easily been like, yep, I'm done.
I won't ever do this again. And even Smoke was like, you're not doing this anymore. had they survived that, you got to get away from that. You need to like, you know, be a preacher boy and not pursue this because this lifestyle isn't good. It's not safe. And I also think that he, because Stack, especially in the car, was so
SMOKE (59:10)
Yeah, you gotta get away.
STACK (59:30)
just excited and believed in him so much that he was like, that's probably another reason why he continued to pursue the music. ⁓ So, yeah, yeah. ⁓
SMOKE (59:39)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
If you could choose,
as we were kinda like wrapping up, if you could choose another era of, it's like Sinners Part 2, more Sinners, or whatever the, whatever the title would be, 2 Vampire. Yeah.
STACK (59:47)
Mm-hmm.
Two vampire, two scenists, two sinners.
man if i could choose like what would the sequel be or the next like iteration of this film
SMOKE (1:00:08)
What
if it was like, ⁓
2020. March of 2020.
STACK (1:00:15)
my gosh. I-
SMOKE (1:00:18)
at like a,
you see you can't do a nightclub, but you would have to do some sort of like other public, what if it was like 2020, COVID's making its landfall and it's like a public festival in like a pretty large city.
STACK (1:00:24)
Uh-huh.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (1:00:35)
where it's like a lot of people out and about, outdoors.
STACK (1:00:37)
Uh-huh.
Like, like New York or or even like I'm trying to think. Yeah. Chicago or something. Yeah. I don't know. I don't here's the deal. I don't want anything about 2020. Just not even just about this. Just like in general. Don't want anything about it. What I want if I'm picking what the next like story tied to this is I either want
SMOKE (1:00:42)
Orlando or Miami.
STACK (1:01:07)
to see Jack O'Connell as Remic in his origin story.
or how he came to be in America. Or I want to see ⁓ Stac and Mary kind of just navigating the times. Yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, that's what I want. What about you?
SMOKE (1:01:29)
doing their like lost boys sort of adventures. Yeah. Yeah.
I think Civil War
would be dope, I think like Jack O'Connell had so much heat coming out of that. Like that Rocky Road to Dublin scene, I was like, come on, like let's see, let's give him a whole movie. Let's do it.
STACK (1:01:46)
Man.
Yeah.
Let's give the Irish a whole movie. Yeah. Yeah. So... I...
SMOKE (1:01:59)
We can get Tom Cruise back in there doing his Irish accent. Did you see far and away ever? Yeah.
Jess was like, we should watch this movie. I loved it when I was a kid and I was like, Jess, this is like not very good. It's like Ron Howard and, ⁓ Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman right after they had met on the set of like days of thunder or something like that. And I like he can, Tom Cruise just cannot do an Irish accent. And it's like,
STACK (1:02:22)
Okay.
Well, he...he
SMOKE (1:02:29)
It's really entertaining. That's true.
STACK (1:02:30)
might be human. He might be human. That might be his Achilles heel.
SMOKE (1:02:36)
Yeah, exactly. Anyway, so any other thoughts about centers before we wrap up?
STACK (1:02:42)
I feel like we've covered the things I really wanted to cover. I wanted to, again, I wanted to talk more about the characters and that kind of stuff since we didn't get to do that last time as much. ⁓ But yeah, I... Man, if you haven't seen Sinners yet, go see it. I think it's still showing. It's still showing here. I know that in OKC. So, yeah, what about you? Any final thoughts?
SMOKE (1:03:10)
⁓ I will just say and I'm gonna yeah I'll just say I do think that the sound thing made a huge difference for me because with the more I'm thinking about I'm like it made a huge difference when ⁓ there when Mary and stacker in the club and she's like I think she had turned into a vampire at that point and She's like, what's the matter? You're like, she's like trying to seduce him and she's like
STACK (1:03:20)
Hahaha!
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SMOKE (1:03:39)
She's like, what's matter? You hit all these big banks in Chicago and you can't steal this * for one night? Like I did not know that she said that the first time. And I literally like in the theater, I like laughed out loud. Anyway, I just like, I was like, that was bold writing and it definitely got his attention cause he starts looking over his shoulder and then goes with her. it was just like, that sound matters. That's my point. So yeah. So anyway.
STACK (1:03:44)
Yeah. ⁓
Hahaha
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sound does matter. Yes, so true. So
anyway, ⁓ okay. So our next episode after this, we're going to cover Thunderbolts Astrid. And we're going to talk about two weeks after this episode comes out. So excited about that. I will be interested to see what our takes are on this like fully, cause we haven't really talked a whole lot about it. So yeah.
SMOKE (1:04:29)
Nope, just a little bit. And we may have a
guest, I think. We're gonna work on that a little bit. So that'll be fun. Thank you for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. ⁓ Thank you to me, because I'm gonna be producing this podcast. Walter wasn't able to be on there. Yeah, so anyway, just responding to that placeholder in our outro. Our art is by Sean Cohen. Our music is by Korden Jocks.
STACK (1:04:36)
Okay.
Thank you, Isaac.
SMOKE (1:04:58)
Next episode we're breaking down Thunderbolts Florence. Pew pew pew pew. I think Walter will be on for that one. Do you think Walter will be?
STACK (1:05:07)
we'll see.
SMOKE (1:05:08)
Yeah, we'll see. Thunderbolts is coming next. We'll catch you all on the flippity flip. So, I'm gonna go watch season two, episode seven of The Last of Us.
STACK (1:05:26)
I might start Andor. Who's to say?
SMOKE (1:05:28)
Who's to say?