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A faith-forward podcast for people who love Jesus but also love being honest about how weird and wonderful life can be. Hosts Kerrye and Jill tell stories about the Bible, talk about their faith, and dig into what it looks like to follow God through the ordinary chaos of everyday, imperfect life. Real conversations. Real stories. No pretending to have it all together. Pull up a chair, turn the page, and let's go.
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Well, welcome to Chapter and Verse.
We have our good friend
Jamie Jackson here today.
Hello.
And we also have a guest host.
Hi.
It's Ben Tucker.
He's been on- He's back ⦠he's
been on one already, but, um,
and of course Jill is here.
Yeah.
We're all here.
It's a full house.
It needed three to take care of- Yeah,
we called in reinforcements, Jamie
to, to reinforcements.
Actually, actually, I think just
that their cleaning lady is there,
and she, he wanted, didn't wanna
stay, which I fully agree with.
Yeah.
You don't stay when the
cleaning lady's there.
No.
Just get out of her way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let her do her thing.
And I pre-clean- Fair
play ⦠for the cleaning lady.
Do y'all?
I made Owen do the dishes last night.
Yeah.
I always- But that was basically the
end of it ⦠when I have one, which
is rare nowadays, but yeah, I do the,
I'm like, "Everybody clean the house."
It's a panic clean before the cleaner.
Yes.
We don't need people to
know we're this filthy.
Listen, Lakin and I, we've been
through it, so- I do love Lakin
she knows.
Shout out to Lady Lux Cleaning.
Yep.
She's great.
Sponsored, not sponsored, but- Yeah-
Yes ⦠you need to use her, but.
She needs to come do my house.
Well, sh- I'll- I'm by myself, and I'm not
a cleaner ⦠if you pay her, she will.
Yes.
Will she iron, too?
I don't know.
I don't know what she'll do.
Lakin, do you iron?
Um, we'll give you her
contact information.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd like it.
And we'll put it, we'll put it
in our little- Yeah, you canâ¦
We'll link it.
Yeah, we'll link her.
Write that down.
Because she is so good.
There's a lot of good, um, cleaning
people, but we know she's great.
Yeah.
S- I'll just put sponsor,
but not sponsored.
Okay.
So Jamie, tell us a
little bit about yourself.
Well, um, y'all know
who I am, Jamie Jackson.
For those listening don't know me, uh, I
was born and raised here in Russellville.
Um-
My whole life, uh, I was raised
around public service work, and
I knew that's what I wanted to
do- Mm-hmm ⦠from a young age.
Um, you know, starting 14 years
old with the Fire Explorers at
the Russellville Fire Department.
Mm-hmm.
Staying there two, three nights
a week, just, I loved it.
Yeah.
Um, and so when I did turn 18,
I was hired on Russellville Fire
Department as a part-time firefighter.
I did that three years until I
went to work sheriff's office.
Um- And that's kind of how
I got to know you better.
Yes.
But, 'cause then I was
sheriff at some point.
I know you worked under Jay first and, but
I feel like we went to school together.
I, I'm older than you,
we don't talk about age.
So don't- We do not talk about age.
Don't say when- We don't talk about age.
Nope.
Don't say when you graduated, 'cause
I will edit that out or have Gina.
Yep.
But I do, I do remember- Yeah
seeing you in school.
What, I gra- uh, well, I was- You
can say it, we'll edit it out.
Okay.
I graduated in Russellville.
Yeah.
I was before that.
You graduated before?
What?
Mickey graduated in I w- So.
You gotta edit this out.
Okay.
I was supposed to graduate
in and I graduated- I s- you
know- That one's staying in.
Yeah.
And that, and thatâ¦
Well, I don't care.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
The deal is if, if your birthday's in
August- Mm-hmm ⦠before the school
starts, you know, you can start at five.
Yes.
Well, now they're s- I think
they're a little bit more strict.
Are they?
I think.
They need to be because I
turned five August 15th, and
I was in school in three days.
I turned five September 28th, and I
was in school for a month at four.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
Those, those Northerners, they
have more ambition than us.
Is that what wrong with them?
Hell yeah.
I don't think that was, I
don't think it was ambition.
I think it was, "Get this
kid out of the house."
Yeah.
"We don't want this kid in here."
But, um, they held me back in,
in kindergarten 'cause they just
said- You just weren't ready.
You weren't ready ⦠they just,
you know, girls, yeah, most of
the time- Yeah ⦠are ahead.
Uh, guys, you need to
wait till you're six.
Yeah.
And so, um, that led to first grade I got
held back again 'cause I just wasn'tâ¦
Do you remember that?
Were you sad?
No.
Or
did you care?
It, it's, um, it's about the same
time my parents got a divorce.
Okay.
So the, the first two or three years,
I, I didn't care about nothing.
Yeah.
If you don't have stability, like, yeah.
Yeah.
Kids can't- And, and, and- They
can't thrive in that ⦠and
my parents were great.
Mm-hmm.
But they, they worked all the time
and, um, and so, like divorced parents
and- Yeah ⦠I lived with my dad.
My two sisters lived with my mom.
Okay.
My mom gave me a choice where,
who I wanted to stay, and I
said, "Well, you got the girls."
Mm-hmm.
"I'll stay with Dad," which I
didn't wanna live with three women.
Of course you didn't.
Who does?
I, I, I was just six, and so, um,
yeah, I don't remember a whole lot,
just the years I got held back.
Mm-hmm.
And, and just knew that-
The kindergarten thing
wasn't that I was failing it.
How do you fail kindergarten?
Yeah.
It's just going through the deals,
they just said- Yeah ⦠met with
my mom and dad, said, "He's just
not developed to, to be here yet."
Well, you were young.
Right.
There's a lot more that goes
on in kindergarten, too.
Like, just, like, there's so
much- Especially now, yeah
more development.
Yeah.
Socially and, and just all kinds of
stuff that if you weren't ready toâ¦
'Cause there's a big difference
between how a kindergarten
classroom is run and how a first
grade classroom is run as well.
So if you aren't ready for the way
a first grade classroom is run,
like, it is better to stay, do
another round in kindergarten- Yeah
so that you can fully function and
be ready and good and thrive in,
in, in that kind of a classroom.
And Trace was the same way, so
we didn't start- Yeah ⦠we
could've started him at five.
Yeah.
But he ended up graduating really early
because he was done with high school
at age, in 10th grade, he was done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he went to Moralton for
11th and 12th grade years.
Yeah.
So, uh, he had met all the requirements,
but he, he could've put in the paperwork
where it showed he was graduated from
high school- Mm-hmm ⦠two years early.
But, uh, he didn't want to.
He wanted to walk with his buddies.
Friends.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So he went to Moralton and then
graduated- Mm-hmm ⦠both there with
two, two associates and, and a high
school diploma the same year, so.
Li- little smarty pants.
He is.
He's, he's a good, good kid.
And that's your son.
That's my son, Trace.
Yeah.
Um, like I said, yeah, he, he was great.
But, um, back, um- So I went to work
for the sheriff's office- Mm-hmm
in, um, '95.
Mm-hmm.
And, uh, became a patrolman and worked
my way up, uh, in the sheriff's office.
Worked for Jay Winters and
Aaron Duvall and, and that's
the two sheriffs I worked for.
Um, in 2012, I had an opportunity
to go to the Arkansas Game and Fish
as a game warden, which I wanted
to do my whole life, but I never
did wanna move away from home.
And- Yeah, and they move you around
some ⦠years ago, they pretty
much moved you across the state.
The furthest, the better.
Really?
It's, it was just a way they did things.
Mm-hmm.
I wonder why that is.
Well, the- Been, been
like, "I will tell you."
⦠the biggest issue, the biggest
issue with, with me leaving me in
my home county is they was afraid
because I've been in politics and- Oh
know everybody- That you would not enforce
it ⦠that you efficiently do your job.
Yeah.
Well, I think it may be better
because I knew the outlaws.
Yeah.
I chase outlaws.
Benjamin.
Sorry.
It's okay.
I, I do, uh, I mean, I, I just,
I knew it, so was I a go-getter
with normal little tickets like
fishing license and nitpicky stuff?
No.
Yeah.
I liked the bigger cases.
Um, in fact, uh, from two- I was
a game warden from 2012 to '23.
January '23, uh, I retired.
I had, uh, 30 years between the
sheriff's office and the Game and
Fish, so- Mm-hmm ⦠it was time.
I've had some health issues.
Yeah.
Um, but it was time to retire, and,
um, I've enjoyed it so far except
for a little few bumps in the road.
Yeah.
But, um, um-
If, if I had to do it all over again,
I'd probably do the same thing.
I would just, um, I would've
changed my lifestyle.
And I think all of us at some part of it-
Hand something ⦠we, yeah, we want to.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I'd be more into God.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I, I would've changed that
even though I've been going to
church my whole life off and on.
Yeah.
You k- you young kids, y'all need to
listen to- Right in the middle of it.
I'm gonna have to edit that
out 'cause I can't- What?
⦠I can't putâ¦
Ben just took the biggest gulp- Oh, oh my
goodness ⦠and it was so, so amplified.
Okay.
So Ben, what's yourâ¦
You tell your opinion on-
Stop it, Ben ⦠um- On what?
Why Game and Fish moves
everybody across the state
uh, a lot of it is because the, the,
the, uh, the friends and family that you
live, you know- 'Cause you don't wanna
leave them and just get- ⦠they want,
they want, they wanna take away that,
uh, I guess that problem of, of having-
Like assumed nepotism ⦠favoritism
and, and letting people doâ¦
They, they sort of take
you out of that situation.
Don't have to worry about it.
There's- That, you know, that's one
of the issues of going back home,
but they- Yeah ⦠they're trying,
they, they've switched, they've
switched, um, switched their thinking.
So now what they do is they try
to hire the people in the counties
that they want to come from.
Yeah.
Well, it's because they stay and work.
They, they're having problems- No, they'll
stay and work ⦠same problem the state
police had where they were like- Yeah,
they're gonna quit after two years.
Yeah.
"Man, I'm not going home.
Someone else got it."
They get mad.
Yeah.
And, uh- Or they get tired
of working in the swamp.
Yeah.
And so- Mm-hmm ⦠it was, uh-
It, it was really nice
to be able to come home.
And so, uh- Where did you
first start working at?
Here.
Oh, so you stayed here?
Yeah.
What, uh, what happened is, uh, after
I got hired, uh, before I reported, um
They were working on, I was going to
Yale County 'cause there was an opening.
Mm.
And I had a place to live over there.
Yeah.
Friend of mine had, uh, 200 and
something acres there on the river,
not river, uh, the creek over
there by between Danville and Ola.
And so I had a place to live,
so we was all ready to go.
My wife and them, they
was, they was ready.
We'd stay there until
I could get back here.
And, uh, a week before I went to
the academy, uh, colonel called.
Said, "Jamie, man, the
stars are lined up for you."
And I said- Mm-hmm ⦠"Man,
they've already been good to me.
You know, I went through all
y'all's testing at a- at 40."
Yeah.
And I said, "That was rough enough.
Already been through one, and
now I'm going through at 40."
And, um, but it, yeah, it was
the, the best job I ever had.
And, um, I would've loved to gave,
like, started out and gave, like, 30
years- Yeah ⦠in the Game and Fish.
But- Yeah ⦠um, luckily the
retirement's the same for-
Mm-hmm ⦠county or the Game and Fish.
It was the same APR, so there was no
penalty or anything like that 'cause,
uh, we can retire full retirement at 28.
Yeah, 28.
28, I think.
Yeah, 28 and out.
28, yeah.
So I had, I had 30, so I was blessed.
Um,
That's good.
Well, going back to what you said
about if you could go back, and I think
that's good advice for younger people.
Like, theyâ¦
It's, it's okay to have, you know,
a plan and a, you know, ambitions
for your career and stuff- Yeah
but really put God first in that
because you could go farther.
You could goâ¦
I mean, you will go- Well-
⦠better ⦠here's the deal.
Yep.
I did not understand it, I'll be honest
with you, when, um, Brother Morris- Mm-hmm
⦠Ronnie, when he, um, when I first heard
it, he was talking about the, the three
most important things in your life in, in,
in this order: God, family, and country.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I always thought when he first
said that, I thought, "You know what?
I love my family.
I'm gonna provide for them.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna
do what I can for them.
They sh- you know, first, and
then God, and then country."
And he said, "Jamie," he said, "The
reason why God is number one and first-"
If you worship Him and live by
His word, he said your family and
everything else is taken care of.
Yeah.
If you truly put your heart and soul
And to the Lord.
Mm-hmm.
He said, "Everything else will work out."
Yeah.
"But you gotta live by it."
Mm-hmm.
And it's every day.
And it, it'sâ¦
I don't know, to me, it's
hard, and I'm sure for a lot
of people, religion is hard.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, I, I, I- Well, I think that's
the difference, is religion is hard.
But when God becomes real, like, when
you have an actual real relationship
with God, it becomes much easier to
live the way that you're supposed to li-
the way that He would have you to live.
But if you're just doing it
because there's a list of rules
on paper, yeah, that's, it's hard.
Nobody can live up to that.
Right.
It, yeah.
And-
I came closer with him after my divorce.
Mm-hmm.
'Cause I was doing it wrong.
Yeah.
I was.
Um-
I think
I don't wanna say better off.
Uh, my ex-wife, she's better off
Mm-hmm Um, I would've loved to made
it work because when, when you get
married and, and say your vows before
God, I mean, you do it before him,
it's till, till you, till death
Mm-hmm And I truly feel that way.
And people always said, you know, "Why,
why you wait so old to get married?
Why this and that?
And you know your kids are gonnaâ¦"
And I said, "'Cause I don't wanna mess
it up" Mm-hmm So I chose to live my
life like people live after they retire.
I did mine before I got married.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm content with doing nothing.
I've, I've done everything I've wanted to.
I've seen what I wanted to.
Um, some of it I'm proud of,
some of it I'm not Mm-hmm But
I did my life kinda in reverse.
You know, from, from 18 to 27 I lived
And I mean, I truly lived.
Now was it always right?
No.
But
After my divorce, I came closer
with God because, yeah, like I said,
it's, the, the devil pulls on you.
Mm-hmm.
And he pulls, and he pulls, and he
attacks, and, and, and I feelâ¦
And that's, you know, we cook
at, me and Ben, you know, we
all cook at church for the kids.
You know, that started out for the kids.
Mm-hmm.
And to me, that's worshiping- Oh, yeah.
Yeah ⦠and, and, and actually
preaching in our own way of cooking
and f- and feeding the souls.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And I just, I've been there
sick, I've been there hurting.
Yeah.
But when I, when them kids come
through and, and them, what we get
from y'all and the adults, that
just, that makes it all worth it.
Yeah.
It makes it go away, and- I think you've
always been one that will jump in there
if you're asked to cook or do something.
You're, you're always a yes.
Yeah.
And like I said, I, I've been down
for, for a little while, but we're,
we're ready to get back in it.
We, the church, first off, I, Iâ¦
Can I give a shout-out to our church?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want- Shout out to our church ⦠e-
everybody that listens that goes to
our church, I wanna thank them for
being by my side since my accident-
Mm-hmm ⦠um, at the church.
Mm-hmm.
Um, they've been very supportive.
Yeah.
And, um, I couldn't have made it
through without them, so I just wanna
give a shout-out to the pastor, and
the board members, and everybody in
the church, 'cause it was just, it was
just wonderful, and I just, I knew-
The last couple years, that's what I want.
I want him.
Yeah.
I've got a long ways to go.
We all do.
Yep.
Uh, I do.
Um, but I'm doing better and I couldn't
have done it without him, but it's been
30 days or more since I had a dip of
snuff or a- Good job ⦠Diet Coke.
That's incredible.
I quit cold turkey.
Way to go.
Yay, good job.
Yep.
And- Listen, that's, I mean, it's easy
to, to like say- Yeah, it- Ugh, okay,
especially with the Diet Coke because,
I mean- That's the hardest thing
like that's, I was just about to say that.
It's so, it's so accessible.
Nobody looks down on you for having
it, and it, it can be such a vice.
Good job.
I'm telling you, dip and I don't miss.
Yeah.
Yeah.
From the first, from when
I stopped, I do not miss.
But the Diet Cokes, I could go to Casey's
right now- ⦠and drink that fountain.
Hook a hose to it- ⦠stick it
in my mouth- ⦠and just have Ben
push that button for Diet Cokes.
I know.
Just drink it dry, huh?
That's where I'm at.
Yeah.
And I'm, I'm doing different
cleansing to try to detox my body.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And I've never felt better.
Good.
Yeah.
That's good.
That's- If I didn't have the
pain from the stuff that needs
to be fixed, my mind is clear.
Um, what I want, um-
And it's just, it's been amazing.
It's- That's good ⦠God works,
He, He don't put more on us
than we can bear or handle.
Mm-hmm.
Correct?
Yep.
Yeah.
But I always knew he had a plan.
Yeah.
Um
I hear it every Sunday.
I hear it when I talk to him.
Mm-hmm.
He's got a plan for me.
Yeah.
And all this that, that we go
through, everybody, they, uh,
everybody goes through something.
I, I think it makes us stronger if
we can get up and dust ourself off.
And, um, I just, I got
tired of laying around.
I got tired of being dependent,
'cause it, I mean, it got bad.
I mean, when you're hurting and
you're laid up from surgeries, you
know, I kept a dip all day long.
Yeah.
I'd take it out to eat.
'Cause I was just
sitting there just bored.
It just- Mm-hmm ⦠it
was something to do.
And of course, right there- Yeah ⦠now
I replaced it, my bottles of water.
I'll go through- Mm-hmm ⦠I
don't know how many I drink a day.
Mm-hmm.
Or sweet tea.
Or sweet tea at church.
That's, that's myâ¦
But a little caffeine.
I did, I, I do have one cup
of coffee in the morning.
Yeah.
Just to kinda wake me up, and no
sugar in it, just regular coffee.
I started that.
But, um, yeah, the dipping
was, that was nothing.
I c- that was fine.
I dipped my whole life, and
Coke, there ain't no telling
how much money I'm gonna save-
Right ⦠between Diet Coke and Coke.
Listen- Coke was costing
me 250 bucks a month.
Wow.
That's incredible.
Listen, I, shout out to Melanie.
Melanie and I talk every morning,
I mean, except for when we're on
vacation, but, like, every morning when
she's getting ready and I'm starting
work, we're on the phone together.
And there occasionally, like, I'll
be, you know, I'm coding records,
doing whatever, and I'll see
smoking, like, two packs a day.
And I'm like, "How does
anyone afford smoking?"
I don't understand.
And she and I have numerous occasions
have been like, "How much even is,
like, a pack of cigarettes now?"
And it's like $10 for
a pack of cigarettes.
And I'm like, "You're literally just
paying $20 a day to hurt yourself."
That's- Yeah.
That's like- Yeah ⦠40 cigarettes a day.
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, listen.
And that's how I'mâ¦
Like, addiction is a real thing.
Mm-hmm.
It is a very real thing.
And
props to the people who are, are
working through getting through that.
Like, it is not a small feat to come
off of anything that you're addicted to.
So keep on keeping on.
Go, do it.
Be better.
And I haveâ¦
I mean, like, we're all
addicted to something.
Oh, yeah.
We all are addicted to something, um,
whether you wanna admit it or not.
It might not be substances,
but it's, it's stuff.
We're addicted to stuff.
And I'm just, it's just so
impressive to me that you've-
You quit two things at once,
but that, that, what we've kinda
said and, and wrapped up is kinda
the one of the, the things I wanted
to talk about if y'all- Yeah,
yeah ⦠is you remember Jay's funeral?
Mm-hmm.
Um, I was honored to, to get to
set that up and, and speak at it.
Um, Jay was
One of the finest men-
Mm-hmm ⦠I've ever known.
Yeah.
He was a godly man.
Yeah.
Um, if it wasn't for him, I
wouldn't be here right now.
Yeah.
I don't know where I'd be.
Mm-hmm.
So I, I, and to carry on, and of course
Sheena always told me, said, you know
Jay didn't wanna be some high and
mighty reli- you know, he, he didn't
want to, people to think of him as
How did she word it?
Some like godly hero or whatever Yes.
Mm-hmm.
She said, she- Like they didn't
wanna put him on a pedestal ⦠yeah.
He don't wanna be on a pedestal.
He w- he's an example of how people need
to worship and, and live their lives.
He was servant.
He was not only a public servant,
but he was a servant, you know,
in his walk with the Lord.
And it was, yeah, and it was all the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he, he, he left, uh, I guess a legacy
that people talk about from here on out.
Yeah.
It's a- Yeah, I first met him when
I was a child, like, when I was very
young, like probably six or seven
years old when I first met him.
And then when I, uh, went to the
academy and I graduated from the
academy, he was the guest speaker.
I think he was running ACIC at that time.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And when he, well, I walked up to him,
he shook my hand, he looked at me,
remembered who I was, and that's, I was
pretty impressed with that, 'cause I
didn't know he k- had any idea who I was.
But he knew me, knew my
dad, shook my hand, saidâ¦
I said, "What are you doing here?"
And I said, "Well, I guess I'm
gonna be a police officer."
And he said, "Well, tell
your family I said hello.
Glad to have you."
Mm-hmm.
And then it was crazy to me that, you
know, that he still knew who I was.
Oh, yeah.
He, he- He's a great guy ⦠he's kind-
Yeah ⦠Bill Clinton- He's really-
He was kinda like, in a way of knowing
people, Bill Clinton- Knowing, yeah.
Well, yeah.
Bill Clinton remembered you.
If he met you- He'd remember you, yeah
⦠five years later, he'd remember you.
He'll remember you 40 years later,
I know that just for a fact, 'cause-
Oh, uh, it's, it's, it's unreal
Yeah, he was at that funeral.
He came and wor- he came and, and spoke
at, um, Street Law Firm, the, when
he died, he'd spoke at his funeral.
And, um, I had to work with the Secret
Service and work security for his funeral.
And he was walking around talking
to people I know he hasn't seen
in 40 years, and knew their names.
Mm.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Everybody he talked to was like, he
was their personal friend and they were
the most important people in the world.
I'm like, "Ah, that's how he got elected."
That's how he got elected.
But yeah.
He would- 40 years ⦠he was know- he
knew names in- I mean- ⦠in places
in Russellville, I'm like, "I know
you haven't been here in 40 years."
But he knew everything about it,
like- Some people just have that gift.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Do y'all remember DD's?
Yes.
Down here- No ⦠where the
gold ⦠It was a restaurant.
You wasn't here.
But anyway, it was a b-
restaurant like the Old South.
I haven't thought about that in years.
And I can barely remember.
I was young.
But Bill Clinton would come there
and eat breakfast occasionally,
and he, my grandmother worked
there waiting tables, and he'd
always ask for her When he come in.
Mm.
And it was the second time he was
governor, it w- it was down the road,
the second term or something, and we'd
go to, me and my grandma and grandpa
and dad and, and, uh, niece, we'd
all go to Jack's Resort at Mountain
View for the folk festival in April.
Mm-hmm.
Well, they'd have a big parade.
Well, Bill Clinton, the governor,
he's always in it, and he was
in a Model A convertible Ford-
the old antique what- whatever they are.
But anyway, we're sitting up
on the hill, I'm sitting on the
grass, and Grandma's in her chair,
and Grandpa, uh, Papaw's in his.
And we're looking down the road, and
here comes the parade, and it's going
through, and then here comes Bill Clinton.
And Grandma stands up,
'cause she knew him.
She said, "He, he'll remember me."
'Cause sh- uh- ⦠after that sheâ¦
But anyway, he looks up there and waves,
said, "Well, Beatris, what you doing?"
He yelled out.
She ran down across the ditch, got in
the road, stood on the running boards of
that old Model A, and rode the parade to
the end of the parade with Bill- Oh, man
talking to him, and then
he brought her home.
I bet the EP loved that.
Yeah.
He, he brought her back,
and he just never forget.
Well, that'sâ¦
Jay was that way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, but let's get off Bill Clinton.
Well, this, you know- Yeah.
Jay was a little more godly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jay w- Jay was more- I think, you
know, in the short amount of episodes-
that we have done, I don't even
know what number this is, but
he's been mentioned three times.
Yeah.
Well, he made an impact on, on-
Everybody ⦠just the whole
River Valley in, in general.
And, um- I, I know, I know guys
that were police officers that, um,
walked the streets when, when, not
only when he was sheriff, but before
he was sheriff, that worked with
him a long time ago that- Mm-hmm
tell stories about him saving their lives.
Yeah.
And you won't get him to, you would
never have gotten him to mention it.
Yeah.
Mm-mm.
He wouldn't talk about it.
Yeah.
That's, it was his job.
He was just there.
Yes.
But everybody else was
impacted enough by it.
In the short time that I, I got
to know him and work with him, you
know, it was, it was very impactful.
But it, I also feel, I think feel a, a
lot the, the same way about your dad.
Yeah.
'Cause he was my- Oh, yeah ⦠he
was the first- Yeah ⦠you
know, sheriff that I worked for.
Yeah.
Um, and really impacted my life.
But both of them, I think, but I
think your dad got a lot of his, um,
policies the way he worked from Jay too.
Yeah.
They both were very similar in the way
that they- Guess he worked for him.
Yeah.
I've heard a lot of funny stories
about when they worked together.
Yeah.
Probably some we don't
need to put on recordings.
Yeah.
I c- I got a bunch.
Um- Yeah.
We could write a book someday, but,
uh- Y'all need to ⦠we don't wanna
Yeah.
It's, uh- But I don't, I don't
wanna do it on the air, but- Yeah.
No, it, it- It's probably best.
Yeah.
See, that'd be the blue line of Pope
County, and it's completely scandalous.
This, this kinda brings me to, to
what I kinda wanted to talk about.
Um, you know, when we die-
Peop- w- everybody in your family
already puts the day you was born
and, and the day you die Mm-hmm.
Uh, a lot of people say that's the
two most important days of your life.
Um
And they can be glorious both, both times.
Mm-hmm.
You think, well, how
can death be glorious?
Well, if you lived your life correct
and by God's word- Mm-hmm ⦠then
you're going to a glorious place.
Yeah.
He k- if you know him- A lot better here.
Yeah.
A lot better than here.
And so to me, and, and back when Jay
passed away, a state trooper gave me
a email someone had sent him, and it
was about the, it's called The Dash.
And you know the little dash
in between your birth date?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And when you die, on your tombstone?
Mm-hmm.
That dash, it, it reads out
there, it said, that's the most
important part of your life.
That's your legacy.
Mm-hmm.
That's what you leave your family,
your church, your community-
Yeah ⦠is building the legacy
People will never talk about
me the way they did Jay
And it's not that I haven't
done good things, 'cause I have.
Mm-hmm.
And I, I keep will, but I mean, I, I
don't keep score and I'm not saying,
"Okay, if I do this right here,
God's really gonna take care of me."
Yeah, yeah.
It's not how it works.
Mm-hmm.
You don't get a point system.
But it's the way you live in
between there that what counts.
Mm-hmm.
It, it, it's what counts that your
parents and the, and the pain and
suffering and the sacrifices they
did to bring you into this world.
Mm-hmm.
And then it matters to when you die
to where you're going after here.
Yeah.
And so that, that, that dash
is, people needs to keep in
mind that that dash is the most
important thing on that tombstone.
Yeah.
Not when you was born, not when you die.
It's that dash, the legacy you're
gonna live behind, leave behind.
And like I said, I've
got a long ways to go.
I, um, I, I, I'll just be honest with you.
Um-
But that's my goal.
Mm-hmm.
By the time I die is, is, is that I'm
living right- Mm-hmm ⦠all the time.
Well, I think you definitely are making an
impact on the kids, like you talked about.
Yeah.
You know, I love the- When y'all are
there, like the last time both of you
were gone, which was not very long ago.
Yeah, it was just a couple weeks ago.
I texted Jill, and I was like, the
little kid went in there and she
was like, "Where are the boys?"
Talking about you and Ben and Owen.
Owen, yeah.
And so whatever worker- Breakfast
boy ⦠I think it was Lisbeth.
She was like, "Well,
they're not here today."
And she was like, "Ugh."
You know, she was so
down and disappointed.
They look forward to that.
Yeah, they do.
And it's a brief time- Yeah ⦠that,
you know, you're serving breakfast, but
you're making an impact on those kids.
Well, like, you guys
remember what they get.
You know what I mean?
Like, you- they'll walk in and
you're like, "Oh, this one, this
one's grape jelly, so hop on down to
Owen," or, "This one gets, this one
gets chocolate gravy first, and then
they come back for a plain biscuit."
Or, you know- Yeah ⦠whatever it is.
They get offended.
Like if, if it's one of them will walk
in and I can't remember what they had.
Yeah.
They're like, "How come
you don't remember me?"
And I'm like, "Well-" "⦠listen, there's
been a lot of things that have struck me
in the head-" Yeah ⦠"over my lifespan."
Well- "Some things just don't stay."
Yeah.
The adults have kinda
taken it over, you know.
Yeah.
We started out with the kids, and then
we started, uh- ⦠the Bible schools.
Well, I'll tell you what, if you don't
show up and cook- Mm-hmm ⦠you're gonna
hear about it from them adults later.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
The next Sunday, said, "Well, uh-" Yeah.
"Church wasn't the same
without your breakfast."
That's why I hate to- Yeah.
That's why I hate to do donuts,
'cause I know the kids would probably
like it for the most part, but
the adults would be like, "Ugh."
Yeah.
You know?
And, and, and meanwhile I'm like-
And the older ones are the ones
like- The adults can just meh.
But it's the older- It is the older-
people that I'm like- The ones, the
seniors ⦠"I don't wanna let them down."
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know?
And they, I'm telling you, it's-
They're so cute ⦠and it's so awesome.
They, they worship Ben, Nine, Owen, and-
Mm ⦠and all the timers just thanking
us and, and- Yeah ⦠and that's, to me,
I, you know, I'll never be a preacher.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but that's my way of preaching.
Yeah.
Well, you preach with your life.
You don't have- Yeah ⦠to be on a stage.
Uh, yeah, yeah.
And-
And like I said, it's just,
it's been awesome.
It's, it's been painful.
It's been a, um
It shouldn't be that hard,
but it, but it, it'sâ¦
And like I said, it's not r- it's
worshiping and dedicating and the
o- it's hard to get to that point.
Yeah.
Now, once you're there, if you stay
focused and what you're supposed to
do, then it gets a little easier.
But, you know, the devil's gonna hit
you harder the more you're into God.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I think- He's got the easy ones.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
He's not worried about- He's
working hard on- ⦠the ones
that are out ⦠the older ones.
Have y'all seen
Have y'all seen the video of Dax?
Who is Dax?
He's a- A Dax Shepard?
No, he's, um, the rapper.
The- DMX?
No, Dax.
The, uh
idea for y'all's little podcast.
Okay.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it just, just not it.
Um, I've been watching on YouTube.
Mm-hmm.
Um, it's a group of people all over,
and it's different ones, and it's
either couples or, you know, girls or,
or wom- I'm sorry, not girls, women
or, uh, whoever's on the podcast.
Could be, uh, four guys.
Mm-hmm.
You know, there's, there's one
on there with four guys, and
they pick these songs and videos.
Like, uh, the one that's big now on
YouTube is James Blunt, Monsters.
You ever heard of it?
Mm-hmm, yeah.
Oh, will that not make you cry?
Yeah.
Well, they're showing the video and
playing it, and these people's never
heard it, and these people are bawling.
Yeah.
Talking about like reaction videos?
Yeah.
It's, it's reaction video.
Yeah.
We need to have a segment on that.
Well, the problem is, is you got this
girl here who, um- Had a break- ⦠has
pretty much heard everything, so.
Stop.
Well, how do, how- She,
her son is the same way.
Yeah.
How do they play music and videos?
Um.
What- You have to break it up in certain
sections You have to break it up, so like
you- You can't play a song in, in its
entirety ⦠they'll stop in the middle
of it- Mm ⦠you know what I mean?
And they'll be like, "Okay,
there's the first verse.
What do you think of that?"
It's, it, that's why they do that.
Yeah, you just can't play it f- when it's
full You can't play the entirety of it.
Yeah, entirety.
Oh, okay.
Got it.
Yeah.
And then, like, when you, um-
And you have to, like, give
credit ⦠when they show videoâ¦
Yeah, and when they show video, a lot
of times they'll have to do, like,
a watermark over it so that it's not
copyrighted material at that point.
Yeah, they- Yeah ⦠got, like, little
ghost figures floating around stuff.
Mm-hmm, that's why.
But, um, Dax, he, uh,
there's se- he's got several.
Mm-hmm, yeah.
And I, the, that one, if you watch
the video, it's, it's- I, I don't know
if I'd let kids watch it, young kids.
But he's singing It's Raining, and this
guy gets out of his car and gets up on
the bridge, and he's fixing to jump.
Yeah.
And, and of course Dax is singing
and, and, "Can you hear me?
Um, I'm talking to
you," and this and that.
And then it shows at the, towards the
end, the guy falls and hits car, dies.
Mm-hmm.
But that's not really what hap- That's
what you see, but it gets into a verse,
"God, I'm calling you and hear you."
And the next deal, it's in reverse,
and he's back up on the bridge,
and he walks down, and he gets in
the car with him and smiles at him.
Yeah.
So- Yeah ⦠at the end, the way I
got the video was God answered him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And kept him from jumping off that bridge.
Yeah.
Well, God always is- But anyway,
you need to get- ⦠there- Huh?
⦠and listening.
He's always there.
He's always there.
Yeah.
He may not answer when we want it.
But I think He answers a lot of
times when people don't realize.
And we don't hear it.
He sends somebody.
What if He's answering and then
some of us aren't listening?
That's true.
We're too busy asking, "Why
aren't you talking to me?"
Yeah.
And that's good.
Yeah.
I think the, the closer I get to, the
more I've, I've felt like He's been like,
"I've talked to you this whole time."
Yep.
"And you just were not open to
receiving what I was saying."
Yeah.
But we have learned.
Or willing to believe it.
Yes.
Right.
Yes.
And Heâ¦
And it may not be directly th- from Him.
He could send someone else.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, He- Which is still an answer.
Yeah.
I mean- It could be a song.
Yeah.
Sheena's- It could be something
Sheena's after me 24/7.
Yeah.
God has sent her.
She is not parting- Yep.
Shout out to Sheena ⦠this
world without me.
Shout out to you, Sheena.
I love you.
You're handcuffs to her.
Yep.
You're coming with me, Sheena.
It's, she's, she's with me for life.
She's, uh-
She's special, yeah She is Yeah I love
her to death and, and, um, she's always
got a special place in my heart because,
uh- Well, she- She, she's been through
a lot and- Yeah, and she listens,
she hears God, and she gives people
words and godly advice all the time.
She's such an encourager.
Mm-hmm.
And she notices when you
ain't sitting in there.
Mm-hmm.
Yes, she does.
I'm like, "How do you look at 800
people and tell I'm not there?"
I said, "I was there.
I justâ¦
I sat up front."
Did she say, "Prove it"?
Yeah.
Yeah.
She said, "Nuh-uh, 'cause
I went and looked."
I, I'm gonna start, I, I'm
gonna start doing selfies.
Yeah.
You need to take a picture
every Sunday and send it in.
You just need to find her, give her a
little hug, and be like, "Hi, Sheena.
I'm gonna go sit over there
now," and then we're gonna go.
Well, I usually, I usually
sit with her when I go.
Yeah.
Now, Sunday I sat withâ¦
Rhonda asked me to sit with her.
That probably freaked some people out.
They seen that.
But- ⦠I s- she was- Give
them something to talk about, I
guess ⦠she was down and out.
And so, uh- ⦠she needed prayer and,
and like I said, um, I'll sit anywhere.
I'll sit with anybody.
That's, Sheena says the same thing.
Yeah.
Like, Sheena's like, "I'll-"
She, she might- She moves around
the- She don't have a spot.
Yep.
Nope.
She doesn't.
She does move around, look
for people to encourage.
But she'll, uhâ¦
If, if, if I get there, she'll, uh,
she'll say, "Where you wanna sit?"
And I'll say, "I wanna
sit on the front row."
She'll sit right with me.
Yep.
Listen- That would not be me.
Why is the front row so intimidating?
I'll just tell you, I guess it's just
from growing up with Dad, and he's always
like, "Be aware of your surroundings."
What have you done, Ben?
Kerrye.
Like, don't you think?
Like, you always- Yes.
The front row wasâ¦
It was within, like,
shoe-throwing distance.
Yeah.
You know, like, you
could get hit with stuff.
Your parent could just quick come
on down and, like, pinch you.
Yeah.
Be like, "Act right."
I think just- You know ⦠even
in restaurants, I'm not gonnaâ¦
I want to see the door, you know?
That, I think, is growing up with a cop.
That's what I was saying.
Yeah.
Like, growing up with Dad, I
just don't wanna be in the front.
And neither your back not to the door.
Yes.
Yeah.
I just wanna see what's going on.
'Cause, like- And that's- Ben, Ben
used to sit on, like, the second
and third row with me all the time.
That's a pastor's kid thing.
And then he became- Yeah.
Well, yes.
But then he became- Did your dad
ever call you out in the middle of
s- No, my dad came and got onto me,
and sat me down in my chair, and
spanked me in the middle of church.
Oh.
From the pulpit.
My goodness.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So- Like, he walked down- Yeah
pinched him and be done.
Yeah.
Dad just picked me up from the aisle
and spanked my butt and sat me down.
And then gone back to preaching.
I- I always got taken out.
So.
But, I mean, it was after Mom would
sing a song, and I'd be doing something,
and she'd just walk right down.
Came straight up.
And, and listen, I deserved it.
Oh, I do.
Yeah, me too.
But it did happen.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Gosh.
And, and yes, called out from the pulpit,
and it's usually, "Boy, sit down."
I remember, I was not a pastor's kid,
but I remember hearing it, watching,
you know, other pastors' kids get an,
"I wish my son would sit up and take no-
na- take no to this service right now."
And I would be like, "Oh-
No, no ⦠that's cool."
He would always say, if he got
in trouble, it was, "Boy" And it
wasn't, my brother didn't set up.
He knew when he said that- ⦠we
knew he was talking about me.
Joe never got in trouble.
We knew it was me.
And- Are, you- you're
the baby though, right?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
And the busiest when I was a child.
Busiest still- We- ⦠as evidenced
by all of the clunking going on in
the background and- He did that.
No, that too, but also like it,
we just- I think we have two ADHD
boys here between the two of us.
We're just rattling
things around the table.
Oh.
This is gonna be a good- Yeah, we're just
gonna- I'm like- Jamie's been playing
with his little glasses case, and Ben's
been doing- Ben's dealing with the-
all the fidgets ⦠little
board over there.
And I'm like, "Okay, so any time
moving forward, that's a seat
Ben is not allowed to sit in."
Yeah.
No, you can't sit there.
Ben can't sit there.
I'm trying to figure out what turnâ¦
I can't see the name tag.
You- you're gonna have this
fly away here in a minute.
Uh- It'll be all right.
But, uh, um- There's no telling.
But yeah, like- I was gonna say
something else ⦠about Sheena?
We were talking about Sheena.
Oh, no.
No, that'sâ¦
Yeah.
We've been off on a rabbit trail.
We did.
Yeah, we's- We went straight
down ⦠where'd we go to?
I was fixing to say something.
About being in church and being quiet?
No, I was gonna tell you, um, when my
mom and dad were married, I can, I can
r- barely remember this, and I don't know
how because I can't remember what happened
five years ago, but I can remember
flashes of stuff from my childhood.
I wished I, I remembered more.
But like I said, it was, it was hard.
Yeah.
And I remember, and it was about
sitting on the first and second row.
You, y- you don't need
to do that with kids.
No.
Well- Because my mom and dad
and I was there, and I wasâ¦
They were doing singing stuff,
and I, I was standing up on the,
the pew, and they're standing
here, so I'm at the same height.
I was little.
Mm-hmm.
And the, the, the pastor after
that song was over said, "Does
anybody have any request?"
Oh, goodness.
Well- And before my parents could
stop me, I raised my hand and I
said, "Play the Rhinestone Cowboy."
Remember the Rhinestone Cowboy?
Yes.
I said- I do ⦠"Play
the Rhinestone Cowboy."
My dad grabbed me and we went- Oh
straight out that door.
Mom, they were so embarrassed.
Now, after church, my dad calmed
down, 'cause it embarrassed him.
Oh, they- It, it became funny.
Well, you just- Well,
yeah ⦠you just made him, you
made, you put him on the map.
Ev- you gave- Yes ⦠everyone-
Something to talk about ⦠everybody
a reason ⦠everybody.
Yep.
I'm sure.
I've, I've got another one too.
Great.
Yeah.
You know, I told you about
being held back in- Yeah.
Mm-hmm ⦠kindergarten.
I, I had aâ¦
I, I, it was hard.
School was hard for me untilâ¦
It's okay.
We don't care.
Oh, I thought it was messing up something.
No, no, no, it's okay.
But, uh-
⦠Dad put me in Catholic school.
Oh.
Yeah.
I wasn't Catholic, but he put me-
he put, he put me in Catholic school,
and that was the best thing he ever did.
I learned more, I went from-
That's good ⦠Bs and Fs- Was
it the structure, do you think?
The structure.
Or the threat of getting your hand
smacked with a ruler, or what?
Oh, no, they'd beat you.
Them nuns would beat you.
I've had, I've had my ear twisted.
I've been hit with- We need some
more nuns in our lives ⦠I've
been hit with rulers.
Yeah.
Um, I've been slapped once, and I,
and the thing is, I couldn't go home.
My dad wasn't one of them parents that if
I said the teacher did something bad to
me, he'd go down there and wanna beat up
the teacher or file a complaint or sue.
Mm-hmm.
If I came home and I did something
wrong at school, it, I told
him, I said, "She slapped me."
He said, "Well, what'd you do?"
And I said, "Well, I smarted off
when she told me to sit down."
She- he said, "You deserve a slapping.
Now you're grounded."
I mean, he'd double-punish me.
Uh-huh.
He told, he tells my teachers
that- I know how that goes too
he tells my teachers, "If you
don't whip him and he needs it,
you're gonna have to deal with me."
So I think all the teachers took
everything out on me, because
I was the only one- They're
like, "I don't wanna deal with
him" ⦠my dad would get whipped.
But we, I just started
Cath- Catholic school.
It was the first day, and I got
called to the priest's office.
Goodness, Jamie.
R- right off the bat.
I, and he just wanted to, uh, get to know,
he, he knows- Oh ⦠all the students.
Okay.
And most of them, their
parents, they all go there.
Yeah.
Um, very few of us was from the
outside, and he said, he said,
"Well, you don't have to be."
He said, um, "Do y'all go to church?
What, what kind of religion?"
And I meant to say Protestant.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
And I s- told him I was a prostitute.
Oh, no.
And he was like- He was, he was
trying so hard not to laugh.
And I said- Oh ⦠"No,
I, no, I'm, I'mâ¦"
He said, "You mean Protestant?"
And I said, "Yes, sir.
We, we go to First Assembly."
My dad, that's the story.
I mean, that, that story's been told I
don't know how many times- ⦠across
this state about me- Oh ⦠going
into the fifth grade at Catholic, St.
John's Catholic School.
Oh, that was in town, okay.
Yep.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, so- I thought you said
you grew up here as though.
I did, um, when I, when I started Catholic
school that I started improving in school,
and it, it set up a good base for me to go
into junior high and high school- Mm-hmm
where I finished out.
I didn't, we didn'tâ¦
When I was going to St.
John's, um- Well, they only go
up to the seventh ⦠eighth,
seventh or eighth grade.
But now I think they go- Oh, do they?
⦠12, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, they, they add- added some
room, and I think you can go to
the 12th there, and then most of
the guys would go to Subiaco- Yeah.
Yeah ⦠after that.
Yeah.
But, umâ¦
Yeah.
Well, that's- Yeah, that's, uh,
that was- That's hilarious ⦠that
was a culture shock for me.
I bet.
For them too.
Yeah.
Yeah, for part of my school,
my dad was the principal.
I definitely got spankings at school.
Principal, w- and a preacher?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He st- he started a, uh, a, uh,
private school and, uh, was the, the
principal of it for a little while.
So the other kids got really freaked
out, 'cause when I did something
wrong- The principal would come
in ⦠I'd go, the principal would
come give me a spanking, and they
were always worried they were next.
They didn't know he was your dad.
So.
He, yeah.
They didn't realize.
I guess they didn't put two
and two- Ben was the example.
But Ben also has a, he's
got himself a temper.
Ha- ha- has, currently has himself a
temper, but also really had a temper then.
He threw a chair at a teacher.
Like, you, you deserved some stuff.
Like, these kids were not like, "Oh
my gosh, he was just sitting there."
She screamed at me.
She yelled at me.
Did you deserve it?
Oh, 100%.
She
yelled at me.
She yelled at me.
Y'all see what I deal with?
My teachers loved me.
Well.
Well, you're lovable, Jamie.
I am.
You know, it's, it's weird, you were
talking about, like, Coo, the first time
I met you- Um, I helped you cook for,
I think it was the- Party in the park
⦠they were doing a party in the park.
Yeah.
Yeah, party in the park.
Yeah.
It's the very first time
I met you was cooking.
Yeah, out there at the city park.
You know, we're gonna have- Yep
⦠we're gonna have jobs in heaven.
Is this the kind of job you want?
I was just thinking about that.
It's kind of odd that we're cooking
together and the- Yeah ⦠the
first time I ever heard your name,
I was, oop, cooking for the church.
He kn- he knew it was gonna happen.
To go help.
Yeah.
I was, I, I can't remember who.
I don't know.
I think, yeah, w- it was, umâ¦
It was when we were still w- you,
I think we might have still been
helping with the youth still.
With the youth probably.
Yeah.
Before you saw the- Back ⦠light
and moved to the shade Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Awanas and all that.
No, we were helping with the youth group.
Yeah, before we saw the light and moved-
And they were like, "Go help"
Before you saw the light.
And until we, yeah, until yeah.
And then they were like, "Go help
Ja- you're gonna help Jamie cook,"
and that's when I first met you.
Cool.
Would you want the job
of cooking in heaven?
Yes.
I wanna know how to make
manna- Did you hear that, God?
I wanna, I want to feed- At the
Last Supper ⦠Jesus and God.
I want to feed them.
Or, or the, not supper, Last Supper.
And here's the thing.
The American supper would be like-
I think it would be good enough
in heaven, we could make the
absolute perfect fluffy biscuit.
We could.
Okay.
We have trouble getting
them exactly right.
No, you just said- Uhâ¦
Just Sunday they were, they
were as, as big as my s- phone.
I don't know what you did.
Talent is extended.
I don't either.
That's what I'm saying.
In heaven it'll always be tall and fluffy.
He put the foodâ¦
Yeah, they'd- ⦠the
food would be perfect.
Why wouldn't you wanna be a cook?
I mean, yeah.
I'll be there to eat it, for sure.
Yeah.
Eat the perfect flavor of chocolate gravy.
Oh, man.
Oh.
And now- And then we wouldn't have
to worry about our blood sugar.
We'd eat all of it in one.
Yeah.
Blood sugar, or Alpha-gal,
now that I can't have gravy.
Aw.
Well, you can have the
chocolate gravy though.
It's the, it's, it's
the diabetes that'sâ¦
No, it's not.
My diabetes.
Oh, yeah.
I have to bring more
insulin to church, Dave.
I'll tell you, that- Yeah ⦠that makes
Sundays even better with the gravy.
Yep.
Oh.
All right.
Let's ask the, let's ask the question.
Okay.
You normally ask it.
You, you started it.
You finish it.
Oh, all right.
Um, first, first question.
If you could go back into the Bible
days and relive, like, watch a
story, you don't have to participate
necessarily, but you can if you want.
What Bible story would
you choose to observe?
We'll edit out the pause Yeah.
We never do, but go ahead.
Well, The part- And when we
usually need a pause, yeah ⦠uh,
the parting of the sea.
Okay, yeah.
That is a good one.
That is a good one.
I don't think anybody's done that yet.
Oh, wait a minute.
Oh, you already said it.
Too late.
You can change it.
You can change it.
Noah's Ark.
Okay.
Oh, but, but- Which part?
Would you swim or would
you be on the boat?
No, no.
Would you swim?
Right now, I might have a seat on Noah,
but it could, it could be I may be
swimming, you know, or a raft on the back
being pulled- Okay ⦠by mine there.
And when I get all- Water skiing ⦠when
I get it all together, Noah's gonna
pull the rope and put me on board.
So I, I'm, I gotâ¦
What does Sheena say I don't need to do?
Have one foot in, one foot out?
Yeah, yeah.
Well- Get on the boat.
Yeah.
That's- You gotta get
all the way in the boat.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm, I'm- My goodness ⦠I'm,
I'm ready to get all in the
boat and, and I'm there.
Have you ever been to Kentucky to
see the replica of the Noah's Ark?
No.
You need to go.
It's really good.
I wanna go see the actual ark.
You know they found it.
Yes, I saw.
They put out some more stuff on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Confirming- I mean, it's the
place where it was, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, they found theâ¦
I mean, they've got, like,
parts of the wood and stuff.
They got parts of the wood.
Well, and they, they just, um, did a
thing about having found, like, right
angles and, like, tunnels and stuff
under the where they think it is,
so they're- Yeah ⦠they're like,
"Oh, this looks to be like, yeah.
Could be it."
You know, going- Can y'all, the, the,
mag, the- Magnitude of it all ⦠of
the boat and what, what he did.
You need to go, because it's
three stories, just like, you
know, it's, it's made to size.
It's just really, it's really good.
But they ke- I mean, they, he put
every species of animal in there.
Yeah.
I wonder if he put them in
there as babies or as adults.
I don't know.
The Bible doesn't say.
I don't know.
I think babies.
How do you fit some stuff?
That's what I think.
You know?
Like an elephant.
Yeah.
I mean, it was big.
Where'd he put the elephant?
The wooly mammoth.
That's what I'm saying,
like- Y'all need to go.
Y'all, let's just plan a field trip.
We can do that.
It's only eight hours away.
All right.
I'll go.
Yeah.
You know I'm down for a road trip.
I'm in charge of the music.
I'm, I'm going back to this whole,
uh, watching the Red Sea part,
'cause I grew up- ⦠in church.
And, and it's always been portrayed
to me that they were just walking
down with walls of water around
them, looking at the fish swimming.
And I'd like to know if you could- That's
a good movie If you knew some kids were
like, "Pssh" You know, let's just go reach
in and grab a fish while we're crossing.
You know, I- Was it like that or did you
just- I don't think so- I don't think so.
No ⦠because they had a
lot of trouble on their tail.
Okay.
But- When they parted the Red Sea,
so they wouldn't wanna go around.
Wouldn't they being chased?
How longâ¦
We did look that up once- It's- ⦠how
long it took them to cross.
We, it, they, I mean, they don't know.
There was, like, millions
of people, though.
Yeah.
Like, so that's a lot.
And w- and we talked to somebody
else about this, I think.
I feel like, I can't remember if it was,
like, on the pod or just about the pod.
Maybe this was about.
I can't remember.
And here's the thing, you know, people
say that that couldn't have happened.
I watched a show, I can't
remember what it was.
So- Of course you watched a show ⦠so
it was, uh, uh, on, you know, it was,
like, discovering different stories of
the Bible- Mm-hmm ⦠and proving them.
Yeah, yeah.
And they went to the area and they
found a different, it- Crossing ⦠it
wasn't c- it was the Sea of Reeds.
The Reed Sea.
Right, right.
Right?
And there is a weather phenomenon
that has been documented to happen-
Mm-hmm ⦠going across this shallow
area, this muddy area, where the wind
will change and blow, and literally
blow the water back into the sea.
Yeah.
And it will blow the wa- the,
it will dry up and be walkable.
Mm.
And then once the wind changes, the
water comes back, it's not passable.
Mm.
And they think that that is
where they crossed at, is that
the winds blew the water out.
I just feel like- They crossed the winds.
And the water came back ⦠was
it, was it, likeâ¦
Okay.
Y- you're a beachgoer.
Like, you know.
Like, was it, like, fluffy, fluffy sand?
Or was it, like, packed, wet sand?
Why was it there?
I, I'm asking your opinion.
My gosh.
Well, well, here's the thing,
though, was, I m- the Bible says
that when the chariots tried to
cross, they got muddy and got stuck.
Right.
And that's why the water drowned them.
Right.
Yeah, that's true.
But what I'm saying is, like, you know
how hard it is to walk on fluffy sand.
You know?
So- It's also- It might be hard
to run a chariot over it, too
when I say I like the beach.
Well, I'm sure.
It says the Red Sea is
approximately 190 to 221 miles.
It would've taken a little bit.
Taken a while.
How, how far across is the Sea of Reeds?
'Cause maybe that's just King James
being like, "What's the Sea of Reeds?
Uh, they must mean the Red Sea."
I don't know.
I, I, I can't, I can't remember the show I
was watching, but he went- It's out there.
People will know ⦠he went, like,
there was amazing things that he was,
like- I remember watching that with
you ⦠found the original location of
Sodom and Gomorrah, like- Yeah ⦠and,
and actually found the, the, uh
Sulfur and Mm-hmm.
Brimstone
brimstone.
They actually found brimstone, like
chunk, like this, and you could
tell the, where the city was, but
it was covered with brimstone.
Mm.
And he was like, "This is brimstone."
And oh, by the way, here's all the sulfur.
Yeah.
Which is either the city had
been destroyed, and so they
actually found the location.
Well, that's because archeology, try as
they might, they- True archeology proves
the Bible ⦠that's what I'm saying.
Like- ⦠they keep trying to
disprove, but every time they
try out to disprove, they end up
accidentally proving it correct.
Yeah.
Proving it correct.
And, and finding actual,
actual illustrations- Yeah
and, and- Yeah ⦠uh, uh,
Egyptian hieroglyphics that-
Yeah ⦠talk about the Israelites.
Crazy.
Well, it said- And stuff, yeah ⦠when
that was a different thing.
Yeah.
So 50 miles across.
Yeah.
So if it takes you, what, 15
minutes to walk a mile, but they
had so many people with them.
Well, but that's, that's
my thing, like- And they're
carrying, probably carrying stuff.
Well,
they carried all the wealth of Egypt.
Yeah.
They gotâ¦
They had a lot of stuff.
But also, like, sometimes in my
mind's eye when I think about
it, it's like a narrow pathway.
You know what I mean?
And then sometimes I'm like,
"There's no way it could've been
like-" Mm ⦠"a narrow pathway."
Mm-hmm.
It had to have been miles and miles wide.
Massive.
And also- That may be what it was
saying is like- Yeah ⦠it, when
it parted, it was this wide, but
for, to go across was only 50 miles.
Right.
But it was like 120 miles across.
But the Reed Sea- Probably
whatever ⦠the Reed Sea is what
the Hebrews were talking about.
That was the original.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We gotta- Um- We gotta look some stuff up.
Yeah.
Gotta talk to Dean.
But, yeah.
But anyway, I mean, still that's
50 miles with a lot of people.
Yeah.
That's a lot of people.
You think- Exactly.
You know, that's- Gonna take a while.
That's gonna take a while.
You have old people they're carrying.
You have- Well, if, if, so,
so think of it this way.
Um, back in the Old West, let's say when
somebody was moving west, they're, let's
say it was a wagon train of 50- Mm-hmm
50 people, right?
A long wagon train.
Their, uh, average per
day was 20 miles a day.
Mm.
And that's just with 50 people.
Yeah.
So that'll give you an idea of, you
know- Yeah ⦠you know- Yeah ⦠100,000
people or a million people- Yeah.
Yeah ⦠how long it would take
them to cross that is gonna be
exponentially more time than- Yeah.
And even though they were being-
You know ⦠they were being chased,
they weren't right up on their heels.
Correct.
So.
Like, they had, they had some time.
But interesting.
But- So, all right ⦠what was
the other question you said?
Superhero.
Oh, yeah.
What was that?
If you could have a superhero
power, what would you want?
Any power.
We sprung this on you 'cause we
didn't tell you it was coming
Man You can think about it Is
this, is this- It's not a pass or
fail, so you know- Yeah ⦠we're
not gonna hold you back a grade.
Ben Tucker.
Whoa.
Hey, he's been a cop for 30 years.
He knows, he knows trash and he's fine.
I've had a lot worse
than- ⦠Ben about me.
Uh- Yeah, he's been in a shift
change room ⦠I, I don't wanna
sound arrogant or- Just say it
powerâ¦
Jesus.
Why not go for it all?
Everything.
No, seriously.
You could have The Incredible Hulk,
or you could have Superman, or, or
if you had them powers, or Spider-Man
and do stuff like that, but-
Man, to have the power of Jesus
I mean, and you have him in you,
so- Yeah ⦠you already have it.
You already- Yeah ⦠you, you're
already there, and if you could,
if you had the power to, to
heal and touch so many people.
You do have that.
Through Jesus.
Yeah.
Through Jesus.
We, we've been given it by commandment.
Yeah.
Well, I told you I wanted it, so I got it.
Yeah.
Okay.
What else would you want?
What else?
What else?
Did I need to pick something else?
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm just saying, what else could you want?
She said, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that would, you
would have- Love, compassion,
forgiveness Mm-hmm Um Anger
Righteous anger Righteous anger Yeah.
Um The bill- You'd have the ability-
The ability to make a whip Yeah.
Yeah.
To he- to help.
I mean to- Yeah ⦠to do, to, to heal.
Potato, pota- I guess a whip, yeah,
that, a whip would help, yeah.
When you need it.
Yes.
Yeah.
When you're married.
Hey, sometimesâ¦
Moving on.
I meanâ¦
We went there.
Sometimes you just need
to beat some folks.
We turned, yeah.
I mean, he, he had a whip at one point.
Yeah.
He, he made a whip.
He took the time to braid- He
flipped those tables ⦠the whip.
Who made one?
Jesus.
Jesus.
Remember when he flipped the tables?
Oh, he made a whip.
Yeah.
Well, when- When he flipped the tables.
Yes ⦠when he went into the synagogue
and said, and you- You're doing this wrong
"You're doing this wrong.
You've made this a den of
thieves" and wa-ta-wa-ta-wa.
Let's go to town.
He got mad.
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, he did.
He did.
He did.
He got mad and sat down and braided
a whip- You know why he got so mad?
⦠and he said, "I'm gonna handle this."
You wanna know why he got so mad?
People.
They were disrespecting his daddy.
Yeah.
That's true.
That is one way to look at it.
That's one way.
It works.
That's a powerful point of view.
You disrespected my father.
Let me show you what happens
when you disrespect my father.
Don't do it.
Yeah.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Man, that was- That's a different way to
look at it ⦠that was, that was- But
I think it's a good way to look at it
that was powerful right there.
Yeah.
Wouldn't even take it to Africa.
Don't mess with my daddy.
He comes in hot.
My man.
Singing Jesus.
He's been having mercy on you.
I'm coming in here with a whip.
Could we get Jesus with a whip?
Yeah.
We'll make T-shirts,
don't mess with my daddy.
Yes.
Oh, my gosh.
You know, we could, we
could make some money.
Just him flipping over a
table with a whip in his hand.
Yeah.
We, we might be doing just
what he said don't do.
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, if we- If we
didn't sell it in a church ⦠we
sew it into the kingdom.
It don't- It's true.
Mm-hmm.
Go to mission.
Yeah.
Is the, is the, is the, uh, uh,
children's church area, is that
technically part of the church?
Uh, we, we doâ¦
We can sell it in the parking lot.
The, the graveyard.
Can you not sell them in the ch- in East?
We're just kidding.
Oh, okay.
We're just kidding.
We're just teasing.
We're just kidding.
I've got real shirts.
Man, we got- We bought
some stuff ⦠we're, uh.
That's a great shirt idea.
We got some shirts, yeah.
Yeah.
Now, see, what they were doing
was a little bit different.
They were, they were taking
advantage of people in the temple.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Yes.
There's a difference.
Yeah.
They were, they were thieving.
Yeah.
They were stealing and, and- And
they was using God's name to do it.
Uh-huh.
Correct.
Listen, if you wanna be- Yes
if you wanna be righteous, you gotta
buy this from us here to go do this.
Yeah.
And then- Kinda like those- Preying
on people ⦠old televangelists
that are like- Mm-hmm ⦠I'll
send you a prayer cloth.
Or there's, there's a current one
that's getting some heat right now.
We won't talk about that on our podcast.
I'm not supposed to mention his name.
All right, y'all have been- There's,
there's been one of them, but- Well,
I mean, I was, I was thinking of one
in particular and- Do y'all get to- In
Texas ⦠do you get to, do you get to
tell me after we- Oh, I've seen both
⦠after- Yes, after we go off the air.
Yeah.
Once I hit stop.
Oh.
Well, Jamie- Yeah ⦠thank you
so much for coming on and- Well,
thank you ⦠we will see you
next time, hear you next time.
Yes, ma'am.
Yep.
Bye.
Bye.
See you.
That was good.
See you.
I liked it