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The format for This or That is the two of us – Paul Grote and Scott Sanders – discussing topics in the business world, pop culture, movies, sports, and politics. We look at the topic from various angles, highlighting the merits and uncovering the flaws, all while having some fun along the way. It will be up to you, the PEN Listener, to choose, either This or That.
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Paul Grote
Feeling like from the p m studios in Chicago, you're listening to Diesel that with your host told Variety. I'm Scott Sanders.
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Scott Sanders
Going to be getting scared tell all boys and girls and welcome to the latest episode of this or that on the podcast Entertainment Network. I'm one of your hosts. I'm Scott Sanders alongside my usual co-host here on this or that. This is Paul Brody.
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Paul Grote
Hello Scott, and happy springtime to you.
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Scott Sanders
Springtime here in Chicago. At least that is one of our three days of spring. The weather is finally turning positive, but immediately next week we'll be in the eighties. So enjoy the three days of spring.
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Paul Grote
Yeah, exactly. If it's even three. Yeah.
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Scott Sanders
So with that in mind, though, that's the topic for today. We're going to have our typical argument where one of us is in favor of one and trying to convince you, the listener, over to our side. And we're talking about spring or fall as the best season of the year. So Paul is going to cover the springtime. So it's a tis the season for Paul's argument and I will be looking ahead for six months towards fall and try to persuade you that autumn is really where it's at.
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Scott Sanders
So since it is springtime, Paul, why don't you kick things off?
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Paul Grote
Yeah, sure, absolutely. And I'll first thing I'll say is I think we've got the best two seasons here. I'll, I'll start there. You know, I think, you know, winter and summer both have their merits, but they both kind of tend to fall into these extreme types of of areas, too. So, yeah, spring, spring and fall are definitely the two best.
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Paul Grote
And why is spring better? Well, you know, in general, I would say that, you know, the reason I like spring the most is because it's a time when you're going from kind of the you're coming out of what I think is the worst part of the year, which is late winter, early winter, not so bad. You know, you've got the holiday season and everything.
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Paul Grote
The first and I happened to be fine with snow. I know it's hard to drive in, but it's it's kind of pretty and it's kind of, you know, the festive it goes with the festive holiday season. But then when you get into February and even in March, first part of March, and it's still, you know, in the twenties and you're stuck inside and you're you're tired of being inside all the time.
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Paul Grote
And, you know, maybe people are a little bit depressed. Here's on time. Oh, my gosh, is it ever nice when all of a sudden you walk out one day and it's like 45 degrees? And I know that sounds cold to a lot of people, but when you're used to 20 or 15 or zero, 45 degrees feels like swimming, weather, and then you have that day that it creeps up over 50 and then 60.
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Paul Grote
And it's it is it's morale boosting. It's morale boosting and bringing you get that feeling in the springtime.
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Paul Grote
That's funny that you know, it really depends on what direction. You know, the first 45 degree day in late fall is worrisome.
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Paul Grote
It's cold out here, right?
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Paul Grote
What happens at 45 degree day in spring? It's like, you know, hey, I'm in shorts, right?
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Paul Grote
Yeah.
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Paul Grote
So that's an interesting topic because this whole topic about seasons, a lot of it's dependent on weather. And depending on where you are in the country or in the world listening to this, you know you're going to have different answers for. Right? You know, spring might already be too hot, right? But here, at least in the Midwest of North America, you know, those first warm days really do sort of hit home.
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Paul Grote
Yeah, absolutely. Northern Hemisphere, North America, where we where we are specifically in the Midwest, here in Chicago area, the yeah, the the first couple of days you know, up over you know, in the 45 to 55 degree range are you know, it feels like paradise and that's that's pathetic I realize but it feels great.
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Paul Grote
It does though. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Hey man. Yeah. So, you know, obviously a weather related one there. And you know, as it relates to the fall, I'll also hit on a weather related one. What I love most about fall and why I think it's the better season is sort of how the temperature goes up and down throughout the day.
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Paul Grote
You get much warmer afternoons, you know oh, seventies, you know, still comfortable. The humidity of summer is gone, but then you get the cool nights, you know, sweatshirt, weather, kind of outdoor fireplace, outdoor fire pit kind of weather right now. So that's fantastic. In the fall of those wonderfully warm late afternoon days in the fall. And then the cool nights are just really give you something to look forward to.
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Paul Grote
Yeah. As it relates to fall.
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Paul Grote
Yeah, it's hard to argue with a you know, a day that's, you know, Sunny and 65 at at 1:00 in the afternoon and then, and then you know maybe 50 to 5045 at night. Put that hoodie on, put a you know, put a, you know, light light up the the firepit in the evening, the crispness in the air that that that is.
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Paul Grote
You know.
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Paul Grote
How that is because.
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Paul Grote
Yeah. So you know, it's funny to me I was thinking about well actually we're kind of on certain days. We're talking about the same thing. The high temperature in spring is the same as the fall in the air temperature at night. Yeah. To me the difference is that in the fall, it's it's really predictable. And in the spring it's just entirely unpredictable.
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Paul Grote
The weather can be anything. You know, here in Chicago in the springtime it can be 35, right? Or it could be 75, you know, and I think those two could be back to back days.
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Paul Grote
That is true for the most part. I would agree that you're you can fluctuate a lot more in the springtime. You know, I do remember shoveling on Halloween a couple of years ago. Yeah. So and that was shoveling snow. So it does happen in the fall. Some of the some of the the kind of unpredictable fluctuation. But yeah, overall, it's it's a little bit more predictable in the fall as far as weather goes.
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Paul Grote
It's also like it feels and I don't know any of this empirically, but it feels like it's a little more gradual in the fall. You know, like we were talking here about, you know, wow, it's just winter. And now and next week it's going to be 80. Yeah. Now it's just like, boom, There was spring, right? Was the fall is kind of this sort of gradual descent into winter.
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Paul Grote
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no doubt. But it's also kind of fun, you know, when all of a sudden you can have, you know, you ever have that that day like, okay, so sometimes we get that late March snowstorm or even like snow in, in April, like, you know, we can get an April 6th or an April 7th snowstorm and you'll get maybe three or four inches of snow.
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Paul Grote
And what's great about the springtime is sometimes you're looking at your weather app and you see, oh, well, you know what? It's going to be 68 tomorrow.
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Paul Grote
So I know.
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Paul Grote
I'm not shoveling. Exactly. And that 68, you know, it feels like 88 after, you know, the day after a snowstorm.
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Paul Grote
I have a kid who lives in the Denver area, you know, and that's kind of how their weather is. You know, I obviously have that. Oh, God, your winters, you know, with all that snow, it's going to be brutal, you know, But they regularly have warm enough days to help melt off all the snow that they get. So they certainly get a lot more than us.
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Paul Grote
But it never feels to stay around or never seems like it stays around the way it does here.
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Paul Grote
Yeah, I I've heard that about Denver. I think everybody has friends in Denver. It seems like a popular place to move to. And yeah, I've heard the same exact thing that, you know, they're they'll get 12 inches of snow, but it'll tend to melt pretty quickly.
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Paul Grote
Yeah, definitely. What does she have was four.
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Paul Grote
So I got two words for a spring break. Oh, I say so as far as kind of like if we were to talk about spring travel versus fall travel, the the spring break, the kind of the classic Americana vacation. And, you know, my memories of of spring break have always been usually driving somewhere, usually south, usually Florida and again, just great memories And and what's awesome is, you know getting out of the car you know every three or 4 hours or whatever it is.
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Paul Grote
And it's always just a few degrees warmer and a few degrees warmer and feel good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you get down in Florida and like, this is weird that you even have this this big heavy sweatshirt with me. Why don't we even have this? And, you know, again, it's just it's a great tradition, a great feeling.
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Paul Grote
And and it's it's a it's it's kind of a vacation. As the temperature elevates, your mood is elevating.
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Paul Grote
So you really feel like you're escaping. That is. Yeah. Honestly, that is truly one of the great feelings is, you know, you're driving from Chicago. You kind of get to like, you know, the Nashville area, like, wow, it's noticeably warmer. You get to Atlanta and it's, you know, considerably warmer. And then all of a sudden you see the Welcome to Florida sign, right?
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Paul Grote
Stop for a free glass of orange juice in a way you go.
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Paul Grote
Yeah, yeah, totally.
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Paul Grote
Fantastic.
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Paul Grote
Any any fall trips.
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Paul Grote
Oh, it's funny that you mentioned it. You mentioned why One of the top things I have on here is actually travel travel's different in the fall. It's great for a weekend getaway. Sure. You know, as a whole spring break trip and given where someone may be in their life stage, you're not fighting the crowds the way you are.
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Paul Grote
Spring break tends to fall on, you know, one of a couple or three weeks of the year where the whole country is on spring break. True. Everything's crowded. You know, you're fighting through the airport, you're fighting through the hotels, you know, all of that. Whereas in the fall you're going to have things, you know, not entirely to yourself, obviously, but a little bit more to yourself.
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Paul Grote
You know, if the if either your kids are grown or you don't have kids or you're don't have kids yet or any of that, any of those scenarios where you're kind of can reasonably travel in the fall, it's a great time to travel, especially for just weekend getaways. Sure. You're on a Thursday, back on a Sunday night kind of thing.
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Paul Grote
You know, basically take in whatever kind of environment you want. You want to leaves turning, you know, from New England is just a flight away. Right. You know, Upper Michigan is just, you know, a drive away from Chicago, that kind of thing. You want, you know, that Florida experience. You know, you can get it and you don't have to fight the crowds at Disney or Universal or anything like that.
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Paul Grote
So I think fall travel is fantastic when you're able to do so.
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Paul Grote
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't, you know, not go on a fall trip, that's for sure. I like fall trips, but my, my pitch for the spring trip and the spring break is that there's a certain therapy that comes with it because again, you're kind of coming out of that darkness of winter. And and not only is the weather getting better, like wherever you live, if you live in a northern climate, but then you're you're kind of upping, you know, upping the ante a little bit.
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Paul Grote
You're going all the way to, hey, well, we're going to go into a warmer climate now. And it's it is truly therapy. It's like and the fellowship is great, but I don't think that you're really escaping anything. And we've been talking about how, you know, even just being here in Chicago is great. In the fall. That crazy hot humidity of July and August is has gone away and you've got the the warm days and the cool evenings and the leaves turn around here as well.
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Paul Grote
And nothing against the trip. I loved going up to Wisconsin, Michigan, whatever in the in the fall. Absolutely. It's a it is a great trip. You know I, I argue in favor of the spring break trip just because of that added kind of emotional or therapeutic bump that it gives you.
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Paul Grote
The therapy that put a lid on winter. Right. You know Yeah. So like one thing you know, an argument in your favorite Paul, is that it helps to have that to look forward to. Yeah.
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Paul Grote
You know. Oh yeah.
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Paul Grote
You plan that trip in early winter so you know and it buoys your spirits a little bit and then it gets closer. You know, you're shopping for clothes that are summer clothes, right? Yeah. So you can kind of even. Yeah. No escape that way. And mentally, you know, it just really helps you. Yeah. Get through the winter. Yeah, I definitely get that.
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Paul Grote
So so that's more, you know, therapeutic. I think the fall travel is more about the experience. Yeah. It isn't going to be so weather related right. You know, but you know, you can really see and do a lot of fun things.
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Paul Grote
Yeah totally. And I'll give you a point on your side is that I think there's less of a post vacation hangover if and when you come back from a fall trip. Like sometimes you come back from that spring trip and you get back and you're like, I mean, it's 37 degrees and and raining, you know, And that's that can be a little depressing to come back from a spring trip.
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Paul Grote
Everything that's optimistic about that drought South Africa talked about is.
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Paul Grote
Yeah it's.
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Paul Grote
Starting to add layers. Yeah. North on the drought Yeah but we'll just we under to talk about that Right. So one thing I put on here and so each of the first two things that we talked about, the weather and the travel are pretty close, right? You know, it's interesting that they're on both of our lists. Yeah. That's probably why spring and fall, you know, in our minds exceed summer and winter.
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Paul Grote
Yeah. So I wrote down new beginnings in the fall and, you know, I think someone might be saying to themselves, Well, hey, what? Hey, wait, Spring is for new beginnings, right? You know, that's sort of nature's.