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Welcome to Untethered Consciousness, hosted by Rod Bland, where we share stories and insights to help you answer the most fundamental of questions: Who am I?
Through the conversations that we have with our guests, we aim to help you reach your own conclusions about the nature of our existence.
For some reason I
just was not scared.
I was fine.
I sat on my bed and felt
that my spirit was coming
together and whooshing and
coming up and wanted to
be dragged out my body.
And this was the feeling I got
was that this, there's like
a suction pad on top of my
head, and it sucked my spirit,
if you will, out of my body.
My guest today is Susie
Pearl, a bestselling
author, and TEDx Speaker.
Susie is a brain cancer
survivor who outlived
predictions of having a
lifespan of just a few
weeks left to go, and
during this time, she had
a near death experience.
She's currently writing
another book about her
NDE and also writing a
film treatment for this to
become a Hollywood movie.
Susie, welcome and
thank you so much for
coming on the show.
Thanks so much.
Thanks for having me.
Susie would you like to
give us a little bit of
background on your life up
to the day of your NDE, and
then we can go from there?
Yeah.
I had a fast and colorful
life as a celebrity PR.
I was looking after
artists, big music artists.
And I had my own PR agency
in London and it had
offices around the world.
And I was looking after people
like Michael Jackson and
Madonna and the Spice Girls
and all, and people like this.
I was having a great
time running around.
Very busy running
my own thing.
Lots of pressure.
Lots of press and
deadlines and so on.
So I was living a stressed
life, but a fun life.
And previously to that, I'd
studied a lot about mind
technology, about hypnosis.
I was lucky enough to work
with Paul McKenna, Richard
Bandler, co-created NLP
neurolinguistic programming.
So I'd done a lot mind work
and I knew the power of the
mind and how we can work with
it to create extraordinary
things and healing.
I've done a lot of healing
work with Theta Healing and
various other modalities.
So I was a celebrity
running around fast person,
a kind of mind technology
expert, and had a lot of
techniques in my belt, thank
goodness as it turned out.
So tell us about
the day of your NDE.
Okay how I got to be in
hospital with a brain with
identified with brain cancer.
I started forgetting things.
I was losing my place
and not knowing where
I'd parked my car.
And I went to meet a friend
and I didn't know where I
was or how to get there,
and she was concerned.
So she took me into
hospital to get checked,
which I didn't wanna do.
But she made me do it.
She's very persuasive.
Serbian woman, my
neighbor, she's brilliant.
So she bundled me off and
told the doctors that I'd
been forgetting things.
They did me a brain scan
and found that I had this
humongous brain tumor in
my head and, it wasn't
looking good for me.
The doctor said I
can't dress this up.
You've only got a few weeks.
Write a will, get your affairs
together and get ready.
So I had this very strong,
intuitive voice speaking to
me going, your storyline,
is to stay, write books,
tell people, talk to people
about what happens and you're
gonna get through this.
So I believed that and not
really any except my son,
no one else believed that.
So I was in hospital.
Eventually I did agree to go
to hospital after my family
really pushed me to do it.
So I went to Cambridge
University Hospital.
I was in hospital and
one day I was on my bed
and I just knew this
day I was going to die.
I had this strong,
strong feeling.
I wasn't scared.
For some reason I
just was not scared.
I was fine.
I says, okay.
So I sat on my bed and
I began to meditate.
I've been a meditator
for about 15 years.
I work a lot with the
David Lynch Foundation.
I'm a big fan of TM
meditation, transcendental
meditation, and had
done it for many years.
I sat on my bed and felt
that my spirit was coming
together and whooshing and
coming up and wanted to
be dragged out my body.
And this was the feeling I got
was that this, there's like
a suction pad on top of my
head, and it sucked my spirit,
if you will, out of my body.
And I felt myself
leaving my body.
I knew this was a
spectacular event.
So I, I went with it,
you know, know, and I, I
felt my spirit leaving.
I then found myself outta my
body, looking down upon my
body, and I felt like I was
whizzing around the universe.
It was like I was being given
a tour of heaven and I was
very comfortable with this.
I wasn't scared.
Wasn't scary to me at all,
and it felt like floating
through an ocean of stars
and it was very peaceful,
very beautiful place to be,
and it was very expansive.
Obviously, being out of the
container, that is my body.
And as I went on this
journey, I don't know,
people say to me, how
long were you there for?
There is no time construct
in this place when we get
outta the body and modern
scientists talk about in the
quantum field that time and
space don't really exist.
It's more of a human
construct, and I
understand that now.
I got a message
telepathically, if you
will, or in my spirit
form, that I had the option
to go back into my body.
Did I wanna do this?
And this was a one
time choice point.
If it was yes, I
could go back in.
If it was no, I would stay
in this paradise place.
I'm a mom and I have a
young son to look after.
So for me, it
was a no-brainer.
I had to return.
I wanted to be
looking after my son.
So I instructed myself
to go back into my body.
Bam.
White flash.
Poof.
I was back in immediately,
like immediately.
And as I came back in, I
realized one, nothing would
be the same ever again.
Two, I have a new
operating system.
I see things differently.
Three, it's like I had a
relationship with myself, with
the world, with the universe,
which is completely different.
And I would have to
reintegrate in a different
way and deal with life
differently and have to deal
with all the repercussions of
that and the difficulties of
those people around me of how
they were gonna deal with me.
So it was the reintegration
was almost the most difficult
part of this journey.
As I came back in I felt
amazing and slightly
blasted let's say.
I just thought, woo,
what happened there?
Subsequently, I had
another M R I scan at the
hospital shortly after
this experience and the
doctor, wonderful doctor
at Cambridge came back in.
He's one of the world's
experts on oncology
and what I had.
And he walked in and he
said, how are you doing?
I said, I'm great.
And he was shaking his head.
He said, we don't understand
the results of this scan.
The previous scan
showed this huge tumor.
Now, the results are
quite extraordinary, and
I have no explanation.
He told me that the tumor
had gone, there was no
scarring, and it was like
it had never been there.
Bam.
Just like that.
I got healed.
And I was trying to
process this information
and I didn't really, I'd
never heard of an NDE.
I didn't know what an NDE was.
I began to do research
later and found out about
near-death experience.
And what I found out was
that my experience was
very similar to what other
people experience as NDE's.
There are many common
denominators and there are
many great people including
scientists who have written
books on this and studied
this very carefully.
It's very interesting subject.
And now I've met many
people who've had, I
think they're more common
than we've realized.
Myself, in my normal
day-to-day life, met
many people now who have
had similar experiences
and I talk to them.
Very similar.
My experience was that I
healed from brain cancer
and I got a new operating
software and I now feel
compelled to tell this story
because it's a good one.
And it gives an insight
into what life is about,
what happens when we die,
what death is about, and
therefore it informs how
to live life and live life
in a way that is expansive.
That is using our
consciousness for the highest
good and learning how to use
our consciousness in ways
that perhaps in our small
frame of growing up in the
education system that, that
we are in on this planet.
It doesn't really allow
too much for learning
about consciousness and
the power of the mind.
I'm now going to reference
backwards to my time
studying mind technology,
studying hypnosis,
studying altered states of
reality that I did in my
pre-life, my pre NDE life.
So it all linked together.
It was like everything was
working towards this moment
of me popping out my body,
expanding my consciousness,
and coming back in.
As I was going in for the
scan in hospital, I was
told, telepathically, if
you will that - I said
what's going on here?
And they said, you've got a
very big storyline and you
will write about this and you
will inform many, many people
about what you're gonna learn.
And the power of the mind,
the power of consciousness,
and the power we have
as human beings to heal.
So I understood why
this had happened.
I wasn't confused about why.
I was stunned by how
it happened and the
actual event itself.
It was quite extraordinary
to experience this,
and I'm very grateful.
I'm grateful for
all of the story.
I'm grateful for having
this illness, healing from
this illness, coming back
in and having a platform
to be able to convey it
to others in a way that
will be helpful I hope.
It's comforting to know
that there is beautiful
land or a beautiful realm
on the other side of life.
When people come to me
now and say, oh, I've
lost someone dear to me,
I can no longer say, oh,
that's so sad, I'm so sorry
because I don't feel sad.
Because I know that they
have gone to this most
beautiful place where there
is no illness, there is no
grief, there's no strife.
It's literally heavenly.
So I can no longer
commiserate.
I can congratulate
but not commiserate.
And I feel now that
every day is precious.
Every day is a gift.
And that we have
to honor our gifts.
Stop the complaining, stop
the gossiping, stopping
seeing the grubby bits of
life, the underbelly of
life and stop worrying.
Stop, really stop complaining.
And what I learned was
the importance of our
thoughts, our words,
our emotions need to be
strong, positive emotions.
All of this drives
reality, drives
experience that we have.
So we're not really taught
this as young people, but
it's important that we must
remember that everything
we speak is like a spell.
You know we talk about
writing and spelling.
It's a spell.
We are telling the universe,
instructing the universe
on the cosmic level what we
wish to experience in life.
Now, there's a lot of
talk these days about
law of attraction.
All of these physics,
brilliant people
speaking about it.
Dr.
Joe Dispenza, Gregg Braden,
all these kind of expert
scientists are reflecting
on how modern day science
is informing us about
consciousness and about
reality, and about how
we create our reality.
For many people I understand
that's a step too far.
Whoa.
I can't get to grips with
this, say many people.
Understandable, because
we're not taught it.
It's not in mainstream
pilots, but boy, are we
getting very, very clear now.
And there's what, that's why
we have platforms like this
where we can discuss with
each other beyond the science
territory about the power of
consciousness, the power of
your mind, and how to conduct
life at the mind level in a
way that will create a better
life for you and the planet.
And the more we become aware
of our powers and how to use
and manipulate our mind power
only still using these three,
four things, how we use words,
how we use ideas, and what
we vision and focus on, how
we feel and our emotions,
and importantly intentions
when we set an intention.
The universe conspires
to bring that to us.
I like coffee and I go to
a lot of coffee bars and I
listen, and I'm a writer, so
my job is listen and observe.
Since all of this happened,
I've learned a lot of
big stuff about life.
I love to share it.
I listen to people's
conversations and I hear,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
How are you doing?
Hi, how are you doing?
Oh and I'll come a load of
like, dreadful explanations
about what's going on in
life and very few people.
I I saw a guy this morning
at my coffee shop and
I know him really well.
He is a nice guy and he said,
Hey, Susie, how you doing?
I said, no.
I said to him,
Hey, how you doing?
He said, I'm doing great.
How are you doing?
And I said, you know what?
I'm also doing great.
And it occurred to me
as we were having this
exchange, it's rare.
Sadly, for people to
say things like this to
each other, I'm great.
I'm really great.
Things are going good.
Quite rare.
We've learned to swap
stories and share terrible
tales with each other.
The woes and the glooms
and the, oh, he did this,
she did that or misery, or
haven't got enough of this.
I haven't got enough of that.
No.
Because then you are
instructing your powerful
mind, the most powerful
computer in the universe
to create that reality.
Now, I know many people go,
man, this is like crazy.
It's not.
I have been to the other side.
I've been out of my body.
I've seen how it works, and
I'll give you an example.
When I set the intention
to come back into my
body, It happened.
Bam.
Just like this really fast
because I set the intention.
I was asked if I wanted
to, I was given the option.
I said, yeah, but I was, when
I decided I did wanna come
back, it was instantaneous.
And this is how
the world can work.
Things can happen
instantaneously in
the quantum field.
Believe it.
If you doubt it, have a
look at some of the science
that's being put out in
layman's terms by these
great people, these great
psychologists, scientists,
modern day people, looking
at the philosophy of life.
And you'll see that the
science backs up the
concept that we create
everything in our worlds
through this consciousness.
So let's get good at it.
Let's do it better.
And my mission now for
the rest of my life,
I'm not a young
spring chicken.
Well, I feel it actually.
My mission now is to
have a wonderful, great
life that I feel is
the best I can make it.
And uh, for me, there
are no edges to that.
I have all sorts of adventures
planned for this year.
The reason you had
trouble getting me in
the diary is because I
plan a lot of adventures.
I have a lot of adventures
now because every day is a
gift and I wanna live, I wanna
experience life, don't wanna
stay in a little tiny box.
And I'm a simple person.
I don't have a big hedge fund.
I don't have tons of
money in the bank.
I am a simple person.
I live very simply.
I.
In nature, in Ibiza actually,
which is a, a place of
joy and celebration,
dancing, laughter.
People make a habit of it
and people come here on
holiday to absorb that energy.
I made a choice to move from
London, the city, to live here
10 years ago because I felt
I wanted to be in the energy
Of life and enjoying life.
So I, I'm making it my
business to make sure that I
have a really good life and
teach my family my child as
well about the importance
of what we can do to live
a happy and contented life.
Thanks for that, Susie.
I'm glad I stayed up to
listen to this story.
It's quite inspirational.
I've got a few
questions for you.
The first one is, so when
you initially, I'll just go
back to your NDE and when
you initially left your body
and you said you were shown
the universe, was there
some transition between,
okay, I can see my body and
then I'm being shown the
universe, or was that pretty
much instantaneous in one
place and then the other?
This concept of time is,
it's like everything is
happening at the same time.
It's very hard for us to
understand that as humans, but
this is what a lot of these
modern scientists are talking
about, that there is only now.
People like Eckhart Toll and
so on speak about be present.
Show up in the now because
yesterday and tomorrow
don't really exist.
In the same way, when I
went up, everything was
happening as a continuum.
There wasn't a kind of
before, after middle,
and this happened.
It was all just one thing.
And it's very hard for us to
understand that because we
are linear in our thinking,
in our constructs, the way
we construct the world.
We are little, we go to
school, we grow up and
our journey of follows
through and we see it
on a linear timeline.
It's in reality in the
cosmic world, it, there
isn't a linear timeline.
So I can't really give
you a specific on that
cuz there isn't one.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
I had another one of my
guests who had an NDE where
he, you mentioned this sea
of soul, ocean of stars, I
think you used that term.
He used the term
a sea of souls.
Do you think the stars
that you saw were souls
or were they literally
stars or not sure.
In this cosmic place, it's
very hard to be factual or
to know or to understand
what these illustrations.
Metaphors are.
The stars that I felt, I saw
they, it was, the feeling
I got was like a night
sky or a bright sky, let's
say with lots of galaxies.
It looked a bit like that.
Those images we see when
we look at galaxies being
shown by people like Brian
Cooks who looks at the
universe on a big scale.
I love that.
And I, that's the kind
of feeling I got is
there's just lots.
We aren't the only galaxy.
There's a lot going on
here, and we are tiny little
specs in the universe.
And one of the things, for
example, if I was feeling sad
or worried about life, I can
look at one of these images
which says, you are here.
This tiny little speck.
Our galaxy's a tiny little
speck in this big plethora
of amazing infinite
sense of stars and space.
And the space that we occupy
here on planet Earth is
minuscule in the big story
of the whole of existence.
We are a tiny speck, a
pinhead in the big scheme.
So why worry frankly,
you are on a pinhead.
You're spinning
around on a planet.
It's part of a massive galaxy.
You are worried about
your gas bill, or you are
worried about the woman
next door won't cut her
hedge properly or whatever.
Forget it.
Grow up, expand.
Relax and enjoy.
Stop worrying or getting
upset by things or getting
annoyed by other people.
It's really not a
good use of your life.
Think more carefully.
This is my life.
How do I wish to spend it?
What was that
Monty Python film?
Was it The Meaning of Life?
Yeah,
Yeah.
I forget the song, that was
my first introduction as a
a teenager, I think, to the
idea of the infiniteness of,
that's a good reference.
I must dig that out.
I'm gonna watch that later.
That's fun.
Really, if you are worried
about what someone's done
at school today or work
today, or they looked
at you sideways and you
felt rotten, forget it.
You're spinning around
in this massive galaxy
and billions of stars.
No one cares, so
forget it and move on.
We're here I believe we
are here with a goal and
we are here to experience
life as a human being.
We have joy, happiness,
harmony, and we are here
to really live life well.
We've got it wrong
in so many ways and
this point in history.
And looking back in history,
it's been wars fighting,
people killing each other.
It is crazy when
you think about it.
How on earth can we think it's
okay to kill another life?
It makes no sense.
We are here to explore
the joy of being human.
To have consciousness, to
have awareness, to have
understanding, to learn,
to grow, to be kind, to be
compassionate to each other.
Stop the wars,
stop the arguing.
Stop the falling out.
Stop the judgment and
begin being in your
heart, expanding into that
meditating, realizing that
your consciousness and how
you run your brain dictates
how your life will unfold.
So get good at running your
mind because it's the most
powerful thing you have.
Get really good at it.
Learn how to do it.
Get some good techniques.
Learn meditation.
Learn how to go into
deep relaxed states.
Hypnosis is good.
Get in there and you can
play with programs and
resources that you have
built in and conditioned.
We're heavily conditioned.
You can recondition your
belief systems in a way
that supports health,
happiness, friendship,
connection, lifestyle.
Connection is
really important.
I wanna speak about that.
Connection is why we are here.
We've lost connection.
People are going around
with their phones.
I can see people in
restaurants going out for
dinner and they're not looking
at each other or speaking.
They're on their phones check.
I've just gotta check this.
No, let's connect in a
more real way with others.
And when we get into proper
connection, building proper
community, proper friendships,
family, partners, communities.
Where we live this, and then
take it further and further.
Let's begin to love
everybody and get connected
more deeply and more
authentically with others.
Stop the disconnection.
You know when we were wearing
plastic shoes with plastic
rubber souls, you know we lost
our connection with the earth.
Walk around at least
half an hour every day
with your shoes off.
Connect with the land.
Walk on soil.
Go bathe in a forest, go
to the sea, whatever it
is, get in with nature
because this will affect
your brainwave state.
And your frequency.
We are all radio
transmitters running around
on a certain frequency,
transmitting to each other.
I'm transmitting to you.
You are transmitting
to me, and we are
swapping frequencies.
And these frequencies
affect the nature of our
thoughts and our reality
and how good life turns out.
And our job is to
raise our frequency.
We can do it through food,
thoughts, environment.
Be in nature is really
good because then you get
onto the harmonic frequency
of the earth and then
you get aligned with the
frequency of the earth.
Everything gets easier.
Things can flow to you,
abundance can flow to you.
Happiness, good connections,
all of these things can flow.
It's a frequency based
concept, so I think it's
very important that we
realize that connecting
with others, Connecting with
ourselves through meditation
is a good way, for example
connecting with the planet,
not being mean to the planet,
but rather understanding
that it's our home.
Let's look after it.
It's very important that
we become way more aware
of our environment and
the people around us
and get kinder with it.
I like to go for walks in
nature and I started doing
this about a year ago.
I live near a big natural
reserve and I go for a
walk every lunchtime.
And I've gotten to the point
now where I can't not go.
I have to actually go,
I'll skip other things so
that I can go, it does
something and I can't
really put my finger on it.
What you said then helps
make a little more sense.
Now aligning with
the vibration of the earth.
Very much.
I'm not as diligent
with meditation.
As soon as I wake up, if I
meditate then I can get into
it for about 10 or 15 minutes.
But then after I've,
it's all, it's like I've
left it too late and
then
Yeah.
mind Takes over.
yeah.
And from a brainwave
point of view, it's best
meditation is great for
us when you first wake up.
Don't even, don't
do anything before.
Just use those, even if, and
it's better to do it in short
periods of time, then think
you have to have an extensive
half hour or hours meditate.
You don't need that.
Very simply, the power
of doing it even for 10,
15 minutes when you first
wake up or when you're
just going to sleep.
They're both really
powerful brainwave states,
which you can use for
manifesting more profoundly.
So don't get stuck into the
day, cuz once you start and
you go out, that's the thing.
I like to exercise, I
like to meditate, exercise
and then begin my day.
Because if I've done those two
things, life is much better.
It just is.
I can create a
much better world.
Yeah, get into good
habits, good routine.
And a good routine is doing
the essential stuff first
so it doesn't get nudged.
The exercise is one thing I
always do in the morning, but
the meditation I'll keep doing
that as soon as I wake up.
Cause I've never really heard
anyone mention the timing.
I thought, is it better be
more, a little more conscious?
But, and
When you wake
going to sleep
Yeah, both those times
we're in this alpha
wave brainwave state.
It is easy when we are in
Thetas, get very creative,
just waking up and going in.
We are in this heightened
brainwave state, which
makes it really powerful.
And also from a habits and
routine like help coach
people how to create routines
and habits that are gonna
give you a better life.
And one solid way is to have
a structure in your day, a
framework to get things done.
So make a list of
things you really wanna
get done in your day.
Put them first, not last.
With meditation, when you
wake up, when you go to sleep,
and then you've had two hits.
Bam.
Life will change,
I promise you.
Okay.
Now there was something
I forgot to ask you about
when you had the scans.
I'm cheating a little bit
cuz I've heard you mention
this on another interview,
but I think it's interesting
that you had three scans
and at some point you had
an awareness of what those
scans were going to be.
Can you just tell us a bit
about that and what the
reaction of the doctor was?
I think it's a good story.
I.
Yeah.
So I, the first scan I had
I, my friend, my neighbor
took me to the hospital and
as soon as I described my
symptoms of loss of memory
and being confused and
so on, or, I dunno what
else I said, but something
made them go, you need a
brain scan straight away.
So I got the first brain
scan and the results
came back and the doctor
told me to write a will.
And get my family
here immediately.
Don't wait a week.
They need to come immediately
and get your affairs together.
He showed me the scan,
this gigantic tumor, on
this black and white image.
Wow.
That's in my head.
And I was in a good mood.
I was feeling great.
I was taking a lot of CBD oil.
Which was very useful and
I still take it today.
And yeah, it showed a
really bad situation.
And as I was going in for
this first scan, that was
when I had this golden orb
around me of angels who
came in and said, you're
gonna have three scans.
This is the storyline.
One's terrible.
Don't worry.
The second one shrunk,
the third one clear.
That's your storyline.
Believe it.
And, that's hard for people
to say you had angels, you
had golden things around you.
Yeah, I did.
And I'm a, a grounded
down to earth character.
I'm not a hippie, even
though I live in Ibiza,
and I would quite like
that hippie lifestyle.
I, you know, I've been
running businesses, I've
been working, I've had a
stellar career and been a
very grounded individual.
I would not be
talking about angels.
I am now, this happened to me.
So the second time I had
the scan I went in there and
then the doctor came back
with the results very quickly
and he went it's promising.
It's well, I dunno if he
used the word promising,
but certainly it went from
disaster zone to improved.
And they were quite
surprised cuz this was
quite a short space of time.
Then I had the third scan
very soon after my NDE and
that was clear and they were
saying, There's no scarring.
That makes no sense.
I've been a doctor in
this area for 20 years,
and I've never seen this.
So it was extraordinary.
The three scans, terrible,
better, clear, full,
they put on my notes.
I remember seeing
it full remission.
I didn't even know what
full remission meant.
I looked it up, completely
healed, and I was given the
okay to go back to my house
and see my friends in Ibiza.
Hadn't seen for seven
or eight months.
So I left the hospital.
I was very excited to plan.
I had been focusing on
what my future looked like
and what, even though I'm
talking about, there is no
future, in my mind's eye,
I had been visualizing.
Visualizing.
Cause that's another thing
that's really powerful
with our minds and our
consciousness is the
power of visualization.
I'm gonna write a book about
that cause it's so brilliant.
When we visualize, we are
instructing and telling our
brain what it is we wish to
create and the brain -I had
learned this from my days with
Paul McKenna and hypnosis.
When you imagine something,
the brain has not got the
capability to know whether
it's imagined or real.
So the trick is imagine
what you want powerfully,
regularly, in detail.
I was imagining all the
time what I was gonna do
when I got well, and I
got out of this hospital.
I was gonna go sit on
the beach, be with my
friends, dance, have
laughter, have lovely
lunches around a table, da.
I kept visualizing.
I ordered the clothes.
I ordered some beautiful
beach gear that I was gonna
wear, and a nice hat that I
was gonna wear on the beach
because I wanted to really
bring this into my reality.
It worked.
So I was let out and they
said, okay, full remission,
really surprising.
Scan, you are off.
You can go.
You have to come back every
six months and get checked.
I said, okay, fine.
I immediately, the first
thing I did when I got out
was book a flight to Ibiza,
where I had been living.
And I went to Ibiza
and I saw some friends.
The first day I got back,
we went out for a drink.
It was around christmas time.
We went for a drink and I
came back with my friend
to the house, my house.
I looked at it and I saw smoke
coming out my front door.
I thought, wow,
what's going on?
And I lived in a forest,
beautiful house in the
forest, smoke billowing
at this point coming out.
And we opened the door and
there was the bright deep
red flames coming out.
The whole house was engulfed
in thick, black smoke.
Major fire.
So much so we couldn't
get in the house.
And the person I was with
called the fire brigade.
I went and got them and
brought them into the forest
where we lived, and they began
trying to put the fire out.
They managed to do this.
We were living all around
with trees and wood.
There was gas cylinders there
for use with the cooking.
Very dangerous situation.
We had flames, dry wood
all over and gas bottles.
Any moment it could
ignite and blow.
That night, and this was
literally the day I got
back from hospital and
I got back to my home.
That night I lost everything
in this house fire.
All my books, all my
notes, all the books I
was working on, all my
clothes, all my photographs.
Everything went up in flames.
There was one thing
that was left.
When I went back the next
morning with my friends,
there was a group of us went
back and they were like, oh
my gosh, this is devastating.
I'm so sorry.
There was a big pile of soot
where the kitchen had been
and there was one tarot card.
My tarot card deck sitting
on top of the soot.
This card was called,
was the rebirth card.
If I didn't already know
what this was about, this
was telling me, this card was
telling me, this is rebirth.
We've taken you right down.
We've stripped all your
memories because that I lost
all my memory when I got ill.
And now we've taken everything
and you've gotta start again.
So I was homeless and this
is a day after I got back.
That was a rebirth on a
major level, and I had
to start from scratch.
I had very little money.
I had no home.
My son was due to arrive
back at any point and I
didn't know what to do.
So that was when I learned
about the power of community.
My community, the gorgeous
people around who lived
around me, who I was very
good friends with, they
all got together and helped
and got me some stuff, some
clothes and some things and
found out whose house would
be free and we could move in.
And so I of house
hopping for a while.
Completely homeless.
And I had to rebuild my life
and it was very difficult
cuz I saw the world very
differently now after my NDE.
Now I was not the
person I was before.
I couldn't take, I
was very sensitive.
I couldn't take negativity or
gossip and all these things,
I just couldn't handle it.
And then I had to go and
live in other people's houses
that they kindly lent me.
And it very difficult.
Eventually I said, look, I
have to have my own home.
And some very kind
wealthy people in my
community got together
and and made that happen.
And I'm still here today.
You mentioned you had
a new operating system.
Yes.
And I've had other guests talk
about this sudden increase
in empathic abilities like
you feel other people feel,
and that takes a while to
be able rebuild and block
that off when you need to.
Yeah, because it, it's a gift.
part of your upgrade?
Yeah, it's a gift to
be that sensitive.
But of course, also
it's a challenge.
I can't be around
drunk people, people in
altered states and who
are in low frequency.
I find that very difficult and
it pulls my frequency down.
I can't do it.
So I've learned, I have
to eat very well fresh,
organic, clean food.
I have to be in a
good environment.
I'm very sensitive.
I'm ultra-sensitive now.
And that is
difficult sometimes.
I, it's been a very difficult
transition back to life
because then we had pandemic.
I was homeless and then I
had to get a new place and
I hadn't got big reserves
to work with, so I it had
become a very difficult
flight after this NDE to
get back to life with this
new operating software, with
this new awareness, with
this new sensitivity, and
without her home and all my
stuff, I had no, nothing left.
So it was a strip back
of the highest order
that I went through.
So I had to get philosophical
about this and realize
that this has happened
to me for a reason.
One thing I learned was that
everything that happens to
us in life has trace elements
of things we need to learn
and our big lessons, and
this was a massive lesson
to me and I've learned
massively, and I know that
this storyline was given
to me because I'm a writer.
I have great contacts
and a really great
platform of people who
wanna hear what I say.
So I know I was given
it because I need to be
talking about it and sharing
this wisdom with other
people so they can help
other people in some ways.
And to have this
level of sensitivity.
It has to be carefully
handled and I have to really
carefully handle where I go,
my environment I go to and I'm
saying no a lot more than I'm
saying yes it's the things I
will show up to these days.
Very carefully curate my
environment and my inputs.
Films.
For example, I had a look
at Netflix last night.
And I was with a friend
wanting to watch films.
I, there were most of it I
couldn't watch drama, action,
shooting guns, terrorizing,
killing each other.
I don't want that as an input.
I don't, however, I
am very interested.
I'm a writer.
I'm artistic.
I'm a creative.
I like good storytelling.
I love it.
I love great films,
but I have to be really
careful what I watch.
And most of the Hollywood
stuff is a no-go for me.
It's too terrifying.
I don't wanna terrify myself.
I know that we shouldn't
terrify ourselves.
It's not good for the
physiology of your
beautifully balanced system.
No.
So I have to now
be very careful and
curate very carefully.
Your story reminds
me of Anita.
Anita Mok
Anita Moorjani, she's
a Hay House author.
Yes.
Anita Moorjani.
She's written a
book, dying to Be Me
Dying.
Yes.
That was actually one
of the first books about
NDE's that I read, but I
just, there's definitely
parallels, obviously,
between her story and yours.
Have you met her in person?
I'm in touch with her.
In fact, her office kindly
got me I was looking for
a lit new literary agent
because my literary agent
was unwell and wasn't had
to leave the business.
So I wrote to Anita's team,
and they very kindly put me
in touch with the guy who's
now my literary agent, who's
wonderful, and he, he looks
after Deepak Chopra, really
fantastic names in my genre.
So I'm very grateful to her
and she does great work.
Her style and position
is quite different to me.
We say similar stuff, but
in very different ways.
As do a lot the NDE authors,
we're a tribe and we are
getting the message out in
different and good ways.
As someone who's spoken
to and you are like the
11th or 12th person.
Yeah.
Everyone's got a, their
stories have similarities,
but everyone's got a
different way of telling it.
Everyone's got their own
history, and some people
have become authors.
Some are very reluctant
to talk about it.
The some have only just
started coming out.
Some had happened
40 years ago and
Yeah.
And just started I learned
not to talk about mine when
it first happened because
I, when I was in hospital
and I wanted to get out of
hospital and they already
thought I was pretty crazy
because I wouldn't allow
people, doctors, and anyone
coming in, including family
visitors to talk negatively.
Talk about the likelihood
of me dying, the likelihood
of me not getting through.
No, I do not want to hear
negative because the brain
will take it as a, a.
Take it without the negatives,
encoding it and take it
as real, like, you will
die or this will happen.
No.
So even doctors, I
said, I don't wanna
hear your negative chat.
Any negativity.
Don't want it.
If you wanna tell me how
well I'm doing great.
If you wanna tell me
how likely I'm to die,
I don't want to hear it.
And so I forced others
around me to talk positively.
I was already a very
positive person.
I'd learned the
power of positive
conversation and output.
I've learned that already
through my days with Paul
McKenna and neurolinguistic
programming where the
language informs the
cells what's going on.
We wanna tell the cells
a really good story
and uplift and keep
them good and healthy.
And you do that by good
storytelling, not negative
stuff, scary stuff.
No, you want to talk
a positive story,
so very important.
I've got one other
question for you.
How do you feel within
yourself now that you're
sharing this story more,
at least from an online
perspective I can see
that you've started
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the reason I was reluctant
to say while I was still ill,
because I thought everyone
thought I was be so crazy
and they might just medicate
me and not let me out.
And When I did get out and
I started talking about it,
I realized people didn't
know how to handle this.
This is too big.
And they weren't
engaging with it.
And some people whose
belief systems wouldn't
allow this kind of story.
So I learned to zip it and
just not share because I
didn't wanna be, I didn't want
people to think I was mad and
crazy for talking like this.
But now I've got over that and
know, I, for which I'm lucky
cuz I've got books out, I
wrote a book while I was ill.
The Art of Creativity,
which did really well.
David Lynch, the
film director.
He he was kind enough to
give me a really brilliant
testimonial and backed it.
So I couldn't have been this
crazy woman because I was a
high class creative luckily.
But had I not have
been, had I just been.
Not with these
kind of accolades.
People would just
say she's mad.
She's just mad.
She's talking about
this crazy story.
She went off to heaven.
It is cra.
She's just crazy.
Fortunately, I've got
enough in my life, in my
career to show that I'm
not an insane person.
I'm intelligent person
who doesn't, who tells
the truth fortunately.
So I've been able now to
build an established platform
to be able to speak about
this without fearing how
other people are gonna react.
And now I've realized
it is my mission.
And the reason I went through
this is to communicate
and share with others this
more expansive side of life
that we are all, if we are
humans, we all have access
to this incredible power.
Power for healing, power
for accessing other
dimensions if we wish.
I'm looking a lot about what
happens with the dream world,
lucid dreaming and that's
a very interesting area.
I'm very inter, I've
done a lot of work with.
Helping the Beckley Foundation
who are researching at the
John Hopkins University
on psychedelics and how
that might help people in
situations of all sorts of
things from ADHD to all sorts
of things and how powerful
and how much it's been
squashed by the pharmaceutical
industry over the years.
The power of it for healing.
I was very, always, very
interested in looking at
this and supporting the
use of very powerful plant
medicines to heal people.
I believe that's a good thing.
I don't believe that
plants will can be
growing that are bad.
I believe that their their
power and capabilities have
been squashed over the years
because of the billion dollar
industry of pharmaceuticals.
That makes sense.
And they have absolutely
prevented and tried to
stop the communication
of the power of plants.
But fortunately now with
the internet and with
the global communication,
it's become increasingly
hard to hold that down.
But psychedelics are a
powerful force for good that
we can use in mental health.
Mental health has
become such an important
topic in this world.
We're at crisis point.
People are fearful, people are
upset, people are terrorized
with things going on in
their lives around the world
in war zones and outside of
war zones, kids in school.
The problems with being over
connected with technology.
Terrible impact.
So we need to have really
good tools in our toolbox
for recovery, for readjusting
mental health, for helping
people get back on track,
for helping kids to get
off their devices and start
playing and being kind to each
other and establishing good
relationships in real life.
And know, now there's this
thing of in, in real life,
IRL l I'll see you IRL.
So the kids are talking about,
I will see you in real life.
Like it's an
extraordinary thing.
No, we are meant
to be together.
We're meant to be having
fun and outdoors and
connecting with other humans.
We've gotta get back to
that, and when we do,
we'll get healthy again.
I'm glad you found a community
that allows you to speak
openly about your experience,
and I'm also glad that you
that's what I'm doing as well.
So I'm glad that you could
be here and helping expand
that for me as well.
So we're getting close
to running outta time,
but I wanted to ask you
how people are gonna
have questions, right?
Is that something
that you are open to?
And what's the best
way for people to get
in touch with you?
I am here to share
whatever I've got that's
worth sharing, and I'm
really happy to do that.
I love it if people
get in touch.
It is all from my website,
which is susiepearl.com and
if you go there, you can find
out where I am on social.
You can get a contact email
for me and you you can get
in touch and do get in touch.
I love answering things
and I do a lot of online
stuff where I open it up,
take questions and talk.
So whatever I can do to
connect with others and to
help and to communicate,
I'm really happy to do
okay, great.
And have you got any final
message that you wanted
to leave people with
before we wrap things up?
I think you've got a belief
in yourself, your life,
and believe that we are
meant to be here having
fun and having a good time.
I recently done a TEDx talk
I mentioned there are four,
five things that I I learned
when I went through this.
Things that are fundamental
to living a good life
and it's like life
hacks, ways to live life.
I didn't get a chance cuz I
had a very short time in my
TED Talk, so I only covered a
few things, but I have written
it all down in an ebook.
Get it on my website.
It's things I learned when
I had three weeks to live.
And there I have details,
all the things that I
will learnt that are big
things to make life better.
Have a look at that
and I think be kind,
be compassionate and
live your best life
are my parting words.
Thanks for that message,
Susie, and thank you
for coming on the
show to be my guest.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
It's been a real
pleasure talking to you.