Lounge Lizards - a Cigar and Lifestyle Podcast

Recorded at Ten86 Lounge in Hawthorne, New Jersey, the lizards pair the Freud Cigar Co. SuperEgo Lonsdale with Jura 12 Year Aged Single Malt Scotch. The lizards discuss Freud Cigar Company’s founding, they share some of their favorite at-home coffee machines, and we detail lizard approved backyard summer smoking setups.

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Released every Tuesday, the LOUNGE LIZARDS podcast helps listeners navigate the experience of finding and enjoying premium cigars (both Cuban and non-Cuban) and quality spirits. Episodes range from 60 to 90 minutes and feature a variety of different topics including food, travel, life, sports and work.

The podcast features seven members: Rooster, Poobah, Gizmo, Senator, Pagoda, Grinder and Bam Bam.​

This is not your typical cigar podcast. We’re a group of friends who love sharing cigars, whiskey and a good laugh.

Join us and become a card-carrying lounge lizard yourself! Email us at hello@loungelizardspod.com to join the conversation and be featured on an upcoming episode!

**Gizmo:** [00:00:00] Welcome to the Lounge Lizards podcast. It's so good to have you here. It's a leisure and lifestyle podcast founded on our love of premium cigars, as well as whiskey, travel, food, work, and whatever else we feel like getting into. My name is Gizmo. Tonight I'm joined by Rooster Poobah, Senator Pagoda, and bam bam.

And our plan is to smoker cigar, drink some scotch, talk about life, and of course, have some labs. So take this as your 83rd official invitation to join us. And become a card carrying lounge. Lizard Planet meet is here once a week. We're gonna smoke a new world cigar tonight. Share our thoughts on it and give you our formal lizard grading.

We discuss Freud Cigar Company's founding. We share some of our favorite at-home coffee machines, and we detail lizard approved backyard summer smoking setups, all among a variety of other things for the next 90 minutes. So sit back, get your favorite drink, light up a cigar, and enjoy as we pair 12 year age Jira Scotch with the Freud Cigar Company, superego in Lonsdale Lonsdale from the Dominican [00:01:00] Republic.

Tonight on the pod, it's the Freud Cigar Company Superego. It's 42 ring gauge by six and a half inches long, and uh, I'm intrigued. Boys. Yeah. Lonsdale. Lonsdale. Yep. Yep. Beautiful,

**Bam Bam:** beautiful cigar.

**Gizmo:** Smells really good. It does smell good. Nice oily wrapper. One thing that we have to note, boys, is it has a foot band.

Yeah. Which is not our favorite thing here on the pod, especially trying to get it off. Oh, it came right

**Senator:** off. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I will give it credit. It actually comes off really easy. No, no scotch tape. Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** No

**Senator:** tape and no fabric. Yeah, fabric.

**Gizmo:** You forgot to mention pigtail. Oh, it has a pigtail.

Yeah, that's right. All right, so we know rooster's rating is at least an eight. There's two points just for pigtail and then two for price.

**Poobah:** All right, boys. I hate the band.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. Sigman. Freud

**Senator:** on it is a little ridiculous.

**Gizmo:** Awful. It's too much. Yeah. So there's two bands. There's one [00:02:00] with a caricature of, uh, Sigmund Freud smoking a cigar on it, pretty ornate.

Uh, and then under it is the line of Cigars, the Super Ego, a separate band. So we, so we

**Pagoda:** know where Freud got his therapy

**Gizmo:** exactly. In cigars.

**Poobah:** So of course, help me with my super ego.

**Gizmo:** All right, boys, let's cut this thing. See, we're getting on the cold draw on the wrapper. Very intrigued by this cigar tonight.

Nice cold draw. Interesting cold draw. Yeah. Earthy a little,

**Bam Bam:** uh, a little bit of a sweetness.

**Gizmo:** Yeah,

**Poobah:** there's like that kind of fig note that you get that kind of like fig Newton thing a little.

**Gizmo:** Hmm. I like it. Yeah. Little Cedar.

**Rooster:** Is this, oh,

**Gizmo:** this is Dominican Pura. Uh, it's not a Dominican Perro. No. Um, let's light it and as we're lighting it, I'll read through the, uh, ingredients.

Let's light this thing, boys. I will say the draw is great. Yeah. Wide open. Draw the Freud Cigar Company [00:03:00] superego in Lonsdale. Again, it's 42 ring gauge by six and a half inches long. It has an Ecuadorian Koho wrapper on it. The binder and filler are from Dominican Republic and Indonesia, so a lot of different, uh, Indonesia.

Indonesia. Wow. Wow. Wonder if the companies represented here. Right

**Bam Bam:** on. So this right on a light. Sorry. It really is unique in flavor. Deep honey, I'm getting,

**Gizmo:** this was re recommended. This line was recommended by three separate listeners. And it was hard to find. Actually they do have it on Atlantic. Uh, but I got it on small batch cigars and uh, I couldn't find it.

Most places call me crazy,

**Bam Bam:** but it's honey, honey do lemon melon type of a thing. Hmm.

**Gizmo:** It's pretty nice on the light. Yeah. What a smoke out bud. Pretty fruity.

**Poobah:** Yeah. Yeah. Smoke up with I [00:04:00] like the combustion. Yeah. Rooster, what are

**Bam Bam:** you getting on the note initially? Little honey do melon maybe.

I mean, I get honey. Yeah, I do get

**Poobah:** a lot of honey here. I get melon. I mean, I get a

**Gizmo:** honey. It has an interesting mouth feel to it. It's got some, yeah. Actually the, it's got some fruit. Yeah. Yeah. Its, yeah. Coats. I think you're

**Bam Bam:** spot on. Yeah. Coats the mouth nicely.

**Gizmo:** This is a, this is a really interesting cigar.

Comes in a nice, uh, ornate 10 count box. Cedar box. Varnish box. Varnish box. 10 count. It's

**Rooster:** different than any other cigar that

**Gizmo:** I've kind of had. Me. Me too. I agree.

**Rooster:** In a good way. Yeah, in a good way. Right? It's got the sweetness with the fruit forward. Yes.

**Poobah:** Initial notes. I'm gonna take the band's band off of it.

All the bands. You can't look at it. You can't look at it. I thought about that. Smoked the cigar. I mean, the bands are terrible. It tastes good though. It looks really good. It looks horrible.

**Gizmo:** How much was this [00:05:00] cigar? Good. 17 bucks. Nice. Not bad. Yeah. Yeah. So far, right? Yeah. We'll see how it performs. So. The Freud, uh, company has an interesting history to it.

It's not very old. Um, it's pretty young, but it was founded by William Ventura and his grandson, uh, William Ventura was the head of production, head of Quality Control chief of Factory, and a designated grand master in rolling cigars as a torso door, uh, in his 21 years at Davidoff of Geneva. Yep. Wow. Yeah.

Pretty cool. Uh, he worked very closely with Xeno, uh, Davidoff, uh, and others there. Heard that name before. Yep. Until he left and founded his own factory Wow. In the Dominican and, uh, rolled cigars there from Caldwell and Room 1 0 1. Cool. And then his grandson at 18 years of age, uh, founded the Freud Cigar Company with his grandfather.


**Poobah:** cool. So just take a look at the cigar with, with no bands on it. [00:06:00] Yeah, it actually looks n very, very nice. Yeah. It's a good looking cigar. Yeah, it is. It's a good looking cigar. Yeah. I mean, the pretentious you Well, I'm, I'm, I'm just observing right now the pr the pretentious foot band, the, the graphics on the oversized band on this kind of lonsdale plus the additional band in front of it.

Yeah. But you take that all off and you look at the cigar. Yeah. It's quite handsome

**Senator:** and I've gotta say the flavor. I'm really enjoying this right now.

**Gizmo:** Oh yeah. Yeah. This is really nice. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. And the smoke output and the draw are impeccable, flawless. Yeah. Really, really

**Poobah:** nice. Lot of, yeah, like the combustion.

Like the combustion

**Gizmo:** a lot. The finish is really long. Yeah. Sticks around the, in a pleasant way. The retro hale

**Bam Bam:** is delicious. Hmm. Very fruity.

**Gizmo:** Oh yeah. Hell yeah. Very nice. Almost

**Poobah:** graham cracky. It's so much more [00:07:00] elegant. I mean, like when you, the size, if it had that one thin band around it that just said super ego and it was just one thin, tiny band on this, on this viola, like, it would just feel so much more elegant than Yeah.

These like, like that war ostentatious bands that were on it. I mean, I'm, I'm looking at the cigar now with nothing on it. It just feels so much better.

**Gizmo:** I just wish that manufacturers, and we've talked about this, I just wish that they would let the cigar speak for itself. Yeah. Yeah.

**Rooster:** How about make some unbranded cigars?

**Gizmo:** Yeah, yeah. You know, just let the box

**Rooster:** speak for itself and let the cigar speak for itself.

**Senator:** I mean, yeah. I will say though, I do like a nice looking band, but I think the nicest looking bands are usually pretty understated, minimal, smaller, minimal. And, you know, even colors. I, I don't need like 10 colors on the band, just like two that contrast and like really speak to you.

**Pagoda:** But I can see why they put the bands, because when you walk into a cigar store, [00:08:00] if they identify, you know, it's like, and you've never had a cigar before or you are looking for something new Yeah. Or something

**Bam Bam:** catch that's just human nature.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. Just catches your eye or something

**Bam Bam:** specific. Yeah, yeah,

**Poobah:** yeah.

I guess you're right from a commercial perspective maybe that, that, that comes into play.

**Pagoda:** No, it's an, it's an elegant guy. Uh, and I'll tell you why. Um, it's really interesting because I've gone with a lot of friends into, you know, David of especially, um, Down in the city, and even if they haven't tried cigars, right, they are attracted towards bands and yeah, oftentimes they'll ignore patron drones and I'll, and I'll walk towards Perrons, which, you know, some sometimes can look pretty rustic in, you know, when you're looking at the all the other cigars.

That's because you know better. I know, I know better. But, um, it's really interesting that from a marketing perspective it does have some impact for sure.

**Poobah:** But, but when you, when you have like a really poor kind of execution of a band and you put three of them on, [00:09:00] that's where it gets a little, a little, a little, a little wonky for me.


**Bam Bam:** no, fair enough. Yeah. I think for all of us,

**Senator:** I think when, when the band covers half the cigar, like a Camacho some or a Drew State, some or some Rocky Patels, I mean, it's just, it's rocky.

**Gizmo:** Ridiculous. 60 the band's covered.

**Rooster:** I mean, does is the foot band is there to also to protect the foot? It's,

**Gizmo:** it is, is it really?

**Senator:** Yes. I mean, it is in theory. I just think in practice it really doesn't do much. But in theory, that's what it should be doing. I think there

**Rooster:** should be more Cuban cigars that need a foot band. And that's true than new words. It's

**Gizmo:** rapper is so

**Poobah:** delicate, thicker of Right. But like ta taua, like they don't fuck around with, they don't do that.

The bands, they just put a fucking tato band on it. Yeah. I very simple that very simple,

**Gizmo:** very thin little band. Mm-hmm. Right. Like even Patron, I mean, you know, to, to, uh, pagodas point, when you see a box of patron, sometimes even the boxes are like beat up because they re they recycle the boxes. You know, you'll get a brand new box [00:10:00] of Exces from Padron and you could tell that it's been through a few cycles, you know, where it's been sent back, re boxed and sent back out.

I like that. I like that too. I'm fine with that. There's something special about that. But I think to Pagodas point for a, a young smoker, first time smoker, someone that doesn't have a lot of experience, kind of like alcohol too, you know, you're looking at. You're looking at the cover of the book, don't, don't judge a cigar by its box or its band.

Or the band.

**Pagoda:** I'll tell you, uh, in, in terms of liquor, tequila does a great job, right? Like they'll have these fancy bottles and the tequila inside can be really

**Bam Bam:** crappy.

**Rooster:** Oh

**Gizmo:** yeah. And no boxers, no. Yeah. Yeah. Look at classic tequilas.

**Poobah:** Look at classica. No boxes. No boxes. Look at Classica. It's, it's the, it, you know, classic is, is is the, is the worst.

It is Tequila in America, undrinkable. And, and, and it's undrinkable. It, it's all sugar. It's a big ski. It's a big scam. And I'm sorry to the listener, if you've got, if you paid your, your $250 [00:11:00] or whatever it goes for now, and when you could buy Tequila Ocho mm-hmm. With a very, which is, or the El Tesoro or El Tesoro, uh, and many others, which, which are, are real, real spirits that, that don't use diffusers, uh, to, to like speed up the ripening of the agave that, that don't add sugar in, in, in, in additives.

Um, th those, those brands tend to have very conservative, um, packaging and. That's purposeful, I think because they're, they're sticking to the authenticity and Yeah.

**Senator:** They want the spirit to speak for itself. Yep.

**Gizmo:** So I wanna make a self-correction, by the way, on the components of this. I think I got bad info from Atlantic.

Uh, the blend is actually a combination of Dominican, Nicaraguan and Ecuadorian

**Poobah:** film. I was gonna say Indonesian. I mean, I don't know how you grow to not going Indonesia. You got fucking what? [00:12:00] Rambo Rambo running a, you got John Rambo and running, running around looking for, you know, the, the Viet Cong

**Gizmo:** with his flame thrower. So boys, I think the cigar is really, really nice. It's actually delicious. I'm, I'm finding it to be very pleasant. Yep. It kind of has a, a davidoff type of construction to it. It, it's, it's really nicely rolled. It has, it, it doesn't look far off from the millennium, uh, Ander that we recently did.

Yeah. You know, I could see that

**Bam Bam:** from the point of view of the flavor profile, it is actually quite delicious right now. There's no hard edges at all. The fruit coffee, it's all there. Someone

**Poobah:** gives me this very smooth, someone gave me the cigar and said, Hey man, I like this. Try it. I'd look at the bands and be like, this is gonna suck.

And now that I've take the bands off and I'm smoking it and I'm looking at the whole thing, it's [00:13:00] good. It's

**Gizmo:** different. Yeah. It's definitely unique. And I, I'm getting like a little woody thing now too. Yeah, it's earthy. Yeah. Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** But the sweetness is there. That fruit no present is not going

**Senator:** away. Yeah. I mean, the thing I really like and what we're getting at, it's actually complex.

It very complex. It's not some simple I agree. Straightforward cigar. This has complexity, which is really nice and impressive. And the thing I'm just really excited about, You know, we're obviously familiar with the big brands in this industry, and there are so many of these boutique brands, and I feel like we've all met people like this, but we know even some folks at our lounge who pursue these boutique brands that I've never heard of and many people haven't, and I haven't found a ton of these boutique brands that have been interesting.

Not that I pursue them much, but sometimes someone will hand me a cigar. And I'll try it. I had never heard of Freud as a cigar brand, and this is really good. Yeah. I, I hope this stays this way all the way through. Yeah, it's

**Gizmo:** very good. Yeah.

**Rooster:** I, I mean, I absolutely love when a [00:14:00] listener recommends a cigar and it's, uh, good.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. Yeah. This is good. It's

**Bam Bam:** exciting.

**Pagoda:** I feel like lying down on a couch and just really smoke it.


**Gizmo:** It's really nice. Yeah. You're tying in the Freud thing. Lemme tell you, Sigmund Freud would have an interesting time in this room. You think that'd be an

**Poobah:** expensive session? Like on a recent episode we talked about like blue, like raspberry, right?

This has like blueberry in chocolate. It's like, It's a little chocolatey. It's a little bit sweet, but it doesn't have like the tartness of a raspberry. It has like, it has like, it's almost more blueberry chocolate. It's pretty good. It is good. I mean, it's not,

**Bam Bam:** I'm going more creamy honey. And, and honey.

Yeah. I

**Pagoda:** really enjoyed the fruity flavor and I just couldn't pinpoint what it was. And, uh, thank you for bringing about berries because I think now that you've said it, it's like kind of reinforces something

**Poobah:** in my mind. It, it doesn't have the tartness that, like the, the millennium, um, [00:15:00] has, it has just this, it, it's a, it's a little bit on the sweeter side.

But it's got that dryness, like a dry, dark chocolate. Mm-hmm. Or a dry cocoa

**Gizmo:** and a great finish. And I think that those notes that we were calling out on the lancer, including the raspberry, like you're saying, there was a thing in that, that I'm, we mentioned that the, like the licorice type flavor that I'm very happy is absent in this.

Cuz I don't reach for, I don't love licorice as a same, as a note, same. It is very pleasant in the millennium lands, no doubt. But I'm very glad that it's not pleasant here because I think it's allowing some of the, under the, the woody undertones, some of the other things that are going on. It's allowing those things to shine a little bit.

No, I think

**Poobah:** that's in the, that's insightful. It is. Uh, it is because I like the Anis. The kind of anis I do too note in, in that blend. Mm-hmm. In the morning blend. Uh, but this doesn't, this is, I, sorry,

**Gizmo:** easy.

**Pagoda:** That was just about invite a lot of comments from me, but I label that

**Gizmo:** it, it, you know, anis it, it is an overwhelming note for me when it appears in a cigar.

It's just ever-present on my palette. [00:16:00] Mm-hmm. And it, it, it often overwhelms, it's probably because you're not accustomed to that note. And I just try to avoid it. Yeah. I don't love it. I just don't love licorice.

**Bam Bam:** You know, honestly, for a 17, me neither $17 cigar, what Senator said, the complexity is absolutely there.

It right now it's hitting a home run.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. And it's off it, you know, obviously, like we've talked about. Yeah. I mean, very intentionally when, when folks are making cigars, they make that opening very, very sweet and they want to grab your attention right away. And then it falls off pretty quick, as we've experienced with a lot of New Orleans.

Mm-hmm. This is not doing that.

**Senator:** Not yet. Yeah. I really pray that this stays this way because I would definitely smoke this again if it can stay. As good as it is right now and

**Rooster:** the finish is long. Yeah, I like that. It kind lingers in your mouth.

**Poobah:** Sure. Uh, and the combustion is impressive. Yeah. Yeah.

**Senator:** I love the combustion on this.

For as small of a ring gauge as this is, it puts out a ton of smoke and it's like a velvety smoke. Velvety. Yeah. I'm

**Rooster:** thoroughly enjoying every bit of this. Yeah. It's a, it's a [00:17:00] rich, it's

**Gizmo:** a rich complex smoke. Yeah. So let's talk about our pairing tonight, boys. The Jira 12 year aged single malt scotch from the aisle of Dura in Scotland.

**Pagoda:** I think you're getting rooster excited


**Senator:** here. Yeah. It's made by the coffee guys. Made by the coffee

**Gizmo:** people.

**Poobah:** Yeah. Create week with that machine.

**Senator:** Although, yeah, we're probably giving, uh, gizmo some p ts d What

**Gizmo:** happened back to normal? I'm back to normal. It was, it was a challenge. So for the listener, my, uh, um, wonderful stepdaughter.

Uh, decided to refill the beans in the juror and instead of dumping it, uh, the entire bag of beans in the hopper on the top. Mind, mind you, we've had the machine in the house for two years. She's seen me do this 4,000 times. She decided, and you, and you paid

**Poobah:** $4,000

**Gizmo:** for the coffee. It's not a cheap machine.

No. Uh, it's not four grand, but it's not cheap. It's not far from it. But, [00:18:00] uh, she dumped the beans in the back of the machine where the ground coffee goes. If you're making one coffee and. The entire machine was flooded with beans in places that was very difficult to get. And I had about a two hour call with on and off with juror support trying to fix my coffee machine.

So it was an absolute nightmare. And I was panicking because they're not cheap. Yeah. But I got turned onto that machine by Rooster. It's amazing. Amazing. Coffee. Coffee. Great machine. So, let's see, what do you guys think of the scotch? Does it uh, does it, yeah. You know, does it stand up? I think it's pretty good.

Yeah. Has a sherry thing to it.

**Bam Bam:** Yep. I've, I've had this before. Like I was gifted a bottle by a good friend of ours, EDOF. Yep. Um, I've had it neat. And with ice I kind of like it with ice better.

**Senator:** So I will say if you have not had it with ice, I put some ice in. Yeah. It's so much better with ice. It's really, it's quite tasty.

Yeah. I, I'm serious. We'll pass this around. Yeah. The reason I'm really glad that we're trying this, um, any airport that you ever fly out of internationally, this is that you see this shit everywhere. It's true. Just bottles and bottles of [00:19:00] Dura and I just, most of the time I would say 80% of the stuff in the airport usually sucks.

And so I've never picked it up. I always see it and I'm, I'm always kind of hoping that they're passing out like samples of it. Cuz they'll sample a lot in the airport just so I don't have to buy this and I can try it. But now that's what we have the pod for and it, it's very serviceable.

**Bam Bam:** Yeah. It's actually very drinkable.

The first time I had it, I was very skeptical as well. And again, two or three chips of ice. Oh, the go,

**Poobah:** it goes well. You guys have ice?

**Senator:** Yeah. Yeah. It opens up really nicely with ice. Oh yeah.

**Pagoda:** I think I need some mace a actually, I'm enjoying a meat too, by the way. Yeah. It's not bad.

**Rooster:** So do, do you see the J in the states much?

**Senator:** Yeah. It, it's, it's in, I would say the vast majority of liquor stores, but it's usually kind of tucked away. It's, it's not usually a premier bottle that they're really trying to promote, but it's, in most

**Gizmo:** places it was pretty reasonably priced too. It was only 45 bucks. Yeah. It's affordable. No. So for a 12 year age, uh, scotch, that's pretty good.

[00:20:00] Yeah,

**Poobah:** it's, yeah, it's not bad. I mean, um, it doesn't have that kind of, it's not particularly complex, but it's approachable. I mean, it's drinkable, but it's not. It's also not like a flat boring affair. Yeah. You, you know what I mean? It's kinda


**Senator:** in the middle. The thing I like on the finish, there's like this bit of cocoa that you get on the finish of this, which on Macallan 12, Sherry, you get the exact same thing.

Yeah. It's more of like a dark cocoa and Macallan. This is like maybe a semi sweet cocoa, but I really love that. And with a cigar that has any cocoa notes in it, especially a new world cigar, it U usually pairs really well. Mm-hmm. Yeah,

**Poobah:** totally. It's just a slightly muted, but it's there. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

**Rooster:** The color is

**Gizmo:** nice and deep and it is

**Bam Bam:** dark.

Yeah. Yeah. And there's some viscosity to it. Yeah. Which makes it interesting to drink.

**Senator:** Yeah. I mean, to BA's point, you know, I put a few chips of ice in this [00:21:00] and it's still held up. Yeah.

**Gizmo:** It's going great with the cigar. Yeah, it's, I think it's a really nice pairing actually. I agree. I agree. Yeah. And I think both of them are, are, you know, if you wanna call this a budget pairing 45, $50 bottle of scotch and a $17 lawns tail that's performing like this is so

**Bam Bam:** far, but, but the flavor that you're getting from both.

Yeah, it's, it's really good. It's a nice experience.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. Very rich. Yep. Especially compared to the price of a lot of other 12 year Oh yeah, yeah. You know, this is pretty

**Poobah:** reasonable price. Yeah. So like, how much is aor?

**Senator:** I can't remember now. It's like 50. It's like 50. Used to be

**Poobah:** 40. Yeah. So like, you know, if you, if you were gonna put this like, like head to head cuz it's in the same price range and Oh, you know, for me AOR would, oh no, definitely

**Bam Bam:** it'll edge it out.

Would would edge it out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

**Pagoda:** yeah. On the other hand, let me, the city, the prices have gone so much, it's insane. For 20 bucks. Like, I used to pay for a regular, like even if you got a balcony, you know, um, just a drink. It was like 20 bucks a drink, it's $35 now, 25. 30, 30 bucks, [00:22:00] 35 bucks a, it's like crazy.


**Poobah:** like they just don't wanna stop.

**Gizmo:** And they're doing measured pores. Yeah.

**Pagoda:** And measured pores. And I'm like, what's going on? Yeah. The generosity. Get a bond for 45. Like this is a

**Gizmo:** steal. Generosity is dead as far as pores go. I, well, and

**Poobah:** yeah, but in New Jersey, there's still some places. I mean, uh, tipping.

Tipping is still a thing. Yeah, it is. Uh, here, you know, if we went up the street to the, to the bar, up the street, you're gonna get deep pours. Um, there's always the country club poor, which is always deep. There's always, and some of these, by the way, and some of these Italian restaurants locally, uh, you could get, you can get a nice, you know, deep pour, you know?

Yeah. Um, they're appreciative of your business. Yeah. They're appreciative of your business. Yep. But you're, you're not wrong. I mean, uh, uh, pagoda, it's, it's,

**Gizmo:** there's, it's getting

**Pagoda:** insane know. So, uh, by the way, uh, I'm sorry. Just, uh, last comment. I was reading something what hundred thousand dollars is worth [00:23:00] in a lot of the different cities, and it's come down to, and you know, obviously these are based on base prices, often X year.

And this typically within the 20 years, a hundred thousand dollars is worth around $35,000. Um, going back, uh, just within, uh, the last 20 years.

**Gizmo:** Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Not in Cuba.

**Bam Bam:** No. That's a fortune in Cuba. Yeah. That, that's

**Pagoda:** a million million. Why do you think we all moving in there?

**Poobah:** That's, that's what happens when you print a lot of money.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. It's true. So, so going back to the Jira coffee machine, by the way, I wanted to, I I, I was actually discussing this the other day cuz my wife was g you know. Oh yeah, the juror. Well check this out. I mean, so Rooster turned me onto this. We both have s eight machines, uh, and it's a fully automated, um, coffee machine's.

Great. So it's expensive, right? But I compared in the two years I've had it versus what I [00:24:00] would've spent at Starbucks, even for an Americano, you know, four bucks a drink. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like I've saved about $4,000 in coffee over two years by

**Poobah:** how much coffee you

**Bam Bam:** drinking, you are making roosters so proud right now.

You have no idea. Am I wrong? You're not

**Gizmo:** wrong. And they're making fun of us. Dude.

**Rooster:** Five, there's five people in our household. I drink at

**Gizmo:** least two to three cups a day. Me too. Right? So an average. Coffee at Starbucks. It's what, $3? $4.

**Pagoda:** $4? You know, the, the pike, the tall pike, which was 1 63 and a half years ago, I

**Bam Bam:** just paid $4.

I love the specificity. Right now. I'm like, pike, I'm really, I'm

**Rooster:** really upset. That's, that's just regular coffee. If you're going to like macchiatos and lattes

**Gizmo:** and, oh,

**Bam Bam:** hold on. I had a quad Americano, which is my drink at Starbucks. If I go there, I hate Starbucks. I don't like corporate coffee. I try to avoid it, but when I'm desperate, I get a Quad.

Americano 3 [00:25:00] 48. What? What is that exactly? A quad. So that's four shots. Four shots of espresso and hot water. Wow. Yeah. No, no, no. That's cheap.

**Pagoda:** Actually. It is,

**Bam Bam:** but you must be bouncing off the walls. I'm not bec let me tell you the secret. Their brewed coffee is typically on the burnt side, but if you get espresso, it's made fresh every time.

Yes. And when they cut it with the hot water and a just a touch of cream, it's delectable. So

**Gizmo:** when I make that delectable, when I make that same cup in my house on the jus what does it 30

**Bam Bam:** cents? And I see. That's incredible.

**Pagoda:** I think I need to

**Gizmo:** invest in a dealer. So same point with Yeah, no, I hear you. Same point as Rooster was making, I did the math on how much the household drinks with everybody in the house.

It's like I've saved like four grand. Does Mrs. Gizmo drink coffee? She does, but decaf. Do you have decaf beans? I do. Yeah. Yeah. So I grind them just right ground.

**Rooster:** It's got a hopper, it's got a separate, uh, receptacle where you can put the grinds where his daughter put the beads.

**Gizmo:** Entire bag. Entire bag. Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** And, and she's cool mixing regular beans with. Decaf beans? No, there's

**Gizmo:** a separate hot, it's a [00:26:00] separate thing. It's completely bypasses the grinding mechanism. So that's quite the complex machine, but it's so simple. It cleans itself. It's really great. Wow. So you can

**Senator:** have two different

**Rooster:** beans. Yes. Not beans.

You can put grind in one and you can put whole beans in the actual hop.

**Gizmo:** That's how you separate so it grinds for you.


**Rooster:** interesting every time you get it, wife might want a flavored coffee so she can put the flavored grinds in one and then you can have your regular

**Senator:** beef. This is helpful for me to know just because I'm in Mrs.

Gizmo's camp where I only drink decaf, so. I assumed it was all one thing. No, no. But obviously everyone that comes to my house usually wants caffeinated. Yeah. So I need something. I can do both. That's very good to know. Cool. Yeah. Not only

**Rooster:** that, they just came out with a new model. It's called the Z 10. Yep.

You could

**Gizmo:** do cold brew, that's 10 brew separate, do cold coffee for

**Senator:** $10,000. No, I have a ninja for that right now. But this is good to know

**Gizmo:** that that also does that. So the, the, again, the price point on them is high. There's no question. I mean, they, my unit was refurbed. It was 1800 bucks. But again, over time, you're saving significant money.[00:27:00]

That's a pretty deal. Significant money. So it's a, it's a hefty price up upfront, but it's, it's really worth it. So

**Poobah:** you guys remember the movie with Paul Rudd, role models and he goes into, can I take your order? Can I get a tall shot?

**Senator:** I remember that. A what Large black coffee do you mean a venti?

**Bam Bam:** No, I mean a large, he means a venti.


**Gizmo:** The

**Senator:** biggest one got venti is large.

**Gizmo:** No, venti is 20

**Bam Bam:** is large. In fact, tall is large and grande is Spanish for large. Venti is the only one. That doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's Italian. Congratulations for stupid in three languages. Yes. How much is that? Here's a

**Senator:** 10. Do you, uh, fix up or is it on your, you know what, just keep the change.

**Gizmo:** Jesus stand, you know what they call sizes here? You know what? You've been picking

**Bam Bam:** fights with everybody. The girl party.

**Gizmo:** So I'm making at my house and I don't deal with any of that. Yeah. No lines, no bullshit, no tips. I just don't ask

**Senator:** for tips. I just have to say [00:28:00] we we're all, when you said we were laughing at you, we were all laughing for different reasons.

So Rooster was a proud papa right there. Yeah. Yeah. That he is spreading the juror of faith and that now you have a juror. I'm laughing because. This is all part of the gizmo maturation process. Gizmo would laugh at, we roosters has this expensive juror and so-and-so has a tower, and so-and-so has this cigar case that they lug their cigars around with.

And look at you now. You've got a fancy coffee maker, a vault tower.

**Poobah:** Oh yeah. And you're stupid in three different languages.

**Gizmo:** I think even more than that. All. So I gotta ask you something about, about the juror.

**Rooster:** Five of us drink coffee at home, but yet I'm the only

**Gizmo:** one who fills the water. Me too. Am I right? And I'm the only one that emptied the grind, uh,

**Rooster:** the grinds. Yep. I'm the only one who knows how to clean the machine Yep. And do anything with it.

Yep. Until they put the beans in the wrong

**Gizmo:** hopper. Yeah, that's true. It's a part of your responsibilities.

**Poobah:** Well, so, so can I, can I go somewhere to the [00:29:00] reasonable, um, spectrum of coffee makers? I have a coffee maker that is, um, I. Uh, rooster, we talked about it. It's, oh, techno. Techno. This is a thing. It's a good, good maker, coffee maker, coffee maker.

If you like coffee. This is, it's a drip machine. It's a yes, but it has a copper coil inside. It gets super hot. The water that comes through the filter, like in it's ju it's called, um, What is it again? I, I repeat the name. Tem Techno. And it's certified. It has that certified kind of, there's like a certification, right?

Do you know? It's like, and it good marketing? Well, no,

**Gizmo:** it's not real. This is really compelling. No, it's a

**Poobah:** guys, no, but it's like a $350. $400. Ooh. Like regular coffee machine? No, that's an [00:30:00] investment. Yeah. But, but, but, but it's really, the techno is a really, really good, it's a

**Rooster:** high, it's a highly rated, uh,

**Gizmo:** drip coffee

**Poobah:** machine.

It's a highly, highly, highly rated coffee maker. And this thing pumps out like it's clean, like it comes out, it's really, really good. So like, if you just like regular coffee, so that's, and you want it hot and you want it great and clean and delicious, it comes out beautiful. So I, that's me. Thank

**Gizmo:** you, Bobba.

So I looked at that machine. The reason why I got the one that, that we have is number one for the variety of different folks in my house who like milk beverages with espresso, right? And I drink Americanos. Which is espresso with hot water. So I drip this doesn't do that. Right. I know. So a drip machine in my house, it's, it really serves no purpose for us.


**Rooster:** Plus, plus the machine, like the one that we have, it's a super automatic machine that you just put the beans in so it grinds the coffee dispenses the, the coffee puck. Dispenses water makes, you know, makes the [00:31:00] coffee. Yeah. You can make different drinks out. Oh yeah. You can totally make Motos lattes, you

**Gizmo:** know, cappuccinos cap, everything.

Everything about

**Poobah:** Totally. I'm not discounting it, I'm just saying like, if you're gonna buy a drip machine, that's the one. Yeah. Tema is, that's the one. The TEM is really so wonderful. It makes great coffee. Yeah.

**Senator:** The thing about refilling the water, you guys are saying with your juror, there must be models, cuz in, in my office in DC we have a commercial dura and it connects direct to the water lines.

Yes. Yeah.

**Gizmo:** I elected not to do that because I like to take the filtered water out of the sink, and then there's a filter in the juror that kind of double filters it. So I, I kind of like. The two filter situation that I've got going on. So even I think ours can do that, but, um, I just didn't, I didn't elect to connect.

Plus there's Connects an app on your phone.

**Rooster:** You could just press a button and make

**Gizmo:** a cappuccino from the bedroom. Yep. That's

**Poobah:** cool. That's pretty cool. That's, that's pretty amazing. I, I, I mean, I take the, the pole and spring we have like the, whatever, the big huge five, whatever it is. Five gallon jugging.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, the big [00:32:00] jug. I'll just fill it up with that and put it in if I want like a really, really great cup of coffee. That's a good machine. Yeah. Good water's important. Really the TEVO is, are really, really nice. If you just like regular coffee, it really, I think it may, I I, you can't get a better, better cup of coffee made, um, in a regular drip machine than that I think.

**Rooster:** Yeah. I think it's called techno vm. Techno vm

**Poobah:** m. They're not cheap, but they, uh, but they're very, very good. It makes a wonderful cup of coffee and that's what we drink in my house. We just drink regular coffee.

**Pagoda:** I'm more interested in, uh, Russ's app where you can order from there. And if you get robo, hopefully, hopefully it delivers it to you.

You remember Be tea in India. Yeah. This like bed coffee. I love that.

**Gizmo:** Ah, robo Rob, Rob. Break still by the way. That's still in beta. The rob. All all. So what do you guys think of the J scotch that we're having tonight? No relation to the coffee machine that we're raving about. Very drinkable. I think it's pretty damn good for 45.

50 bucks. For 45 bucks. Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep. [00:33:00] I think it's pretty All right. And, uh, halfway point of the Freud cigar company. I'm really loving it. Yeah. I'm really

**Bam Bam:** enjoying it. I, I think the complexity, complexity continues. The flavor profiles delicious on the sky. Very good

**Gizmo:** cigar. Totally. Yeah. What, what else do they make?

They make a, they, so they have two lines, uh, but inside the superego line there are five different size, excuse me, four different sizes. They have a Toro. A Robusto Extra and a Magnum, which is a six by 60. And uh, they have another line, the Agape, it's a limited edition blend, um, made with the blender. Uh, who we used to work for Davidoff, I think is, uh, last name is Diaz.

Oh yeah. Eddie. Yep. Eddie Ato. Diaz. Diaz. Uh, that's, he's a partner in that. And it's a Dominican Pirro, the Agape. It's a limited edition. So based on how this is performing, I think that's something that we're gonna have to try down the road. I

**Senator:** absolutely wanna try the other one. And just the thing that excites me the most about [00:34:00] this, this is still really great, really enjoyable.

Mm-hmm. I just love for these boutique brands. Like, I love us being able to be a platform for these smaller companies. Yeah, totally.

**Gizmo:** Absolutely. And I love too that this came at the recommendation of not one listener, but several listeners. Very cool. And for a Batik brand, I mean, listen, a lot of folks will ask us to do a, uh, a Davidoff or a, uh, Romeo or you know, a Rocky Patel or a lot of those Cs, the last cs, but, um, it's nice to see a boutique brand like this that's actually kind of hard to find in a way, um, from a distribution standpoint and having multiple listeners emails saying, Hey, you really gotta try this cigar out.

And I think that's a product too, of what Senator was saying, that these folks. You know, we have a lot, uh, like Nick at the club here, really seek out these boutique brands. They're members of boutique clubs, small batch clubs that send out, you know, smaller brands and, and get them exposure and Yeah. Yeah.

They try '

**Senator:** em out. I, I've legitimately gotten shit from people who will say like, oh, you just smoked the big brands. [00:35:00] Mm-hmm. You don't smoke any of the boutique brands. And my response is always, I don't know of any good boutique brands, so please share them. And I'm glad that a listener finally did, cuz

**Gizmo:** I would definitely smoke.

And we had, listen, we had that same experience with Warped, which I would say as a boutique brand, great cigar, uh, the, the Don Papin. Yeah. Yeah. That's a small brand. I mean, we've, we've done several of them that, and have performed very well. So, um, I'm, I'm very enthusiastic about this. Don Pep. Don Pep is kind of big.

Yeah, they're big. They're big's not small. That's true. But his, that specific line is not huge. It's not.

**Senator:** But Don Pippin Garcia is legend. I know. He's, I know he's a legend at odds. You'll find him in a retailer very high. Where, like, are you gonna find Freud in a retailer? I mean, yeah, I hope after this pod baby.

But not, not

**Bam Bam:** right now. I don't think I've ever seen this in a retailer.

**Gizmo:** Me neither. I haven't, I didn't hear about it until heard of it. You know

**Rooster:** what, what's also great is like the listeners recommending cigars, but they're also sending us cigars. It's amazing. I mean, that's

**Gizmo:** so, so g by the way. Well, that's a great, great point, rooster.

We actually have had a lot of listeners email [00:36:00] asking if they can send us cigars and how to do it. And if you email us, we actually have a a a a PO box. I'll send that to you. You can send us cigars and we'll do them on the pod. So if that's something out there, you as a listener are interested in doing or wanna do mm-hmm.

We'd love to have it. Yeah. It's

**Bam Bam:** incredible for us to receive that, those recommendations. It's really amazing recommendations. Yeah, it is.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. Yeah. Really amazing. No, it is. We're very,

**Pagoda:** very grateful. It is a two-way street, right. Uh, the idea is really we want to continue building on the community, uh, aspect of it.

And we are a part of your community and we, you know, we, we are all a part of the, hopefully the lizard community, so,

**Gizmo:** yeah. Yeah. And we obviously don't know every brand in every cigar. We've not smoked a lot of them, so Yeah. Please keep sending them in. Yep.

**Poobah:** It's a good cigar. I'm, I'm getting a little bit of a bitter thing going on.

I'm not sure if it's bad or good. How far along are you can't see?

**Bam Bam:** Um, have a sip of the dura.

**Pagoda:** Halfway.

**Gizmo:** Halfway. About halfway. Okay. I don't know. I'm not getting any bitter

**Poobah:** on this. No. Is [00:37:00] there's anything bitter? Not, maybe I could just be at a stage, but it's, it's good. I mean, it's a, it's a really, it's a, it's a pleasant smoke.

**Pagoda:** Put 17 bucks. Can't complain.

**Senator:** Just order an espresso from, uh, rooster's Dura.

**Poobah:** Exactly. I need the, a quant, a latte quad.

**Bam Bam:** I will tell you, the retro hails still on.

**Gizmo:** This is really fun. It's really nice. I've been doing that every couple. Oh yeah. Every couple draws and pushing it through my nose. Yep. So, Boys. We have a Memorial day coming up this weekend.

This episode will come out after Memorial Day. Mm. So obviously the official start of summer. I'm sure Puba is very excited to get his pool open and do some, it's open. Oh

**Bam Bam:** no. Are we coming over with Speedos? Yeah. What

**Poobah:** about the hot tub? Yeah, hot hot tubs. Part of the pool. There you go. They're, they're integrated.

Um, integrated, you know, one feeds into the other. Uh, yeah. The, the, the, the demand to, um, the pool people was, you know, crystal, crystal clear by [00:38:00] Thursday. Nice. Gotta have it open. Um, gotta have it open. So the uh Alright. Through the heat around full blast overnight, so, uh, the children can, can frolic. Mm-hmm.

Uh, immediately. Uh, tomorrow. That's fantastic. Um, I'm off from work tomorrow, which is, uh, remarkable.

**Gizmo:** Um,

**Poobah:** uh, which is pretty cool. So, Uh, so yeah, there's, it's, it's, you know, summer's here, there's power washing, you know, you gotta have power washers come. Yeah. I don't do that myself because I don't do that shit.

But, um, you know, there's power washing,

**Bam Bam:** mulching involved, mulching happening.

**Poobah:** I will mulching already paid for that. I will just say for the

**Senator:** record, Puba. Yeah. I have power washed myself before. Oh boy.

**Bam Bam:** Wow. Wow. I can't believe it.

**Poobah:** You, in your, in the docksiders, are you wearing the, are you wearing the boat shoes or are you, [00:39:00] what do you do to protect the fire?


**Rooster:** how is the, uh, how is the green

**Senator:** works? Power washing? It's the, uh, the Sanjo Sun. Joe, tell me

**Poobah:** it's electric. Tell me It's electric. Is it electric? Oh my God. That's not real power washing. It's,

**Gizmo:** that's not real.

**Bam Bam:** I'm telling

**Gizmo:** you. It's great. You

**Rooster:** know, more and more I'm seeing, I've even seen the steel, the chainsaw company come out with a whole line of battery operated

**Gizmo:** saws.

Look at that. There you go.

**Poobah:** Oh yeah, look at that. Well, the battery operated leaf blower's the best. The rbi. Yeah,

**Senator:** you got one of those. The ego is better, but they're both. They're both very useful.

**Bam Bam:** You're all talking Chinese to me right now. Cause

**Senator:** that's not lawn ego. Oh, ego. They make everything, they make electric chainsaws about leaf blowers, lawnmowers, lawnmowers, lawnmowers, head trimmers.

Everything's great for the environment. Yeah. Yeah. I use all egos. And you don't have, I don't have landscape's.

**Poobah:** Exactly. That's my motivation is the environment. The, I'm just being sarcastic, but, uh, [00:40:00] but no, the, the battery operated stuff is so great. Yeah. Because you can just, the leaf blowers now that are batter

**Gizmo:** battery operating and you don't have to.

You don't have to get in the car and get gas.

**Senator:** Yeah, get gas. And I'm watching someone has a problem, they're trying to start. I'm like, fuck that. I just press a button and it's on. That's it. And it

**Gizmo:** works. Right. No maintenance works. Great. I have a question for PBA about his pool that I'm wondering. Sure. So when does your summer skinny dipping routine start?

Oh no,

**Pagoda:** it's been Bamba. Oh. When bam walks in with a banana hammock. That's

**Bam Bam:** right. That's

**Poobah:** right. The minute bam comes outta the bushes in the bikini, I jump in the pool and I'm ready to, I'm a nature boy. I'm ready to embrace him. Uh, no, the, uh, ice skinny dip in the pool due to the fact that, you know, uh, I have, I'm on two acres and I have privacy.

Yeah. Uh, like on a night like this evening where, you know, I have cigar smoke, uh, I'm covered with it because we'll smoke 3, 4, 5 cigars. I'll, I will, I [00:41:00] will. Get completely nude, uh, at the, on the pool deck.

**Pagoda:** And then, and listen, now you've gotta

**Poobah:** visualize Right, right. And well go inside, get a towel, get completely nude, jump in.

Mm. Wash off. And, and it just takes all the cigar smoke off you. I mean, I do that all the time. Wow. In the summer. Oh. It's the best. The robe. And jump right in, grab the robe and then, and, and just, and just get into the house. It's fantastic.

**Gizmo:** Wow. Good for you. Oh, wonder if you, ah, by the way, bam told me he's not coming over until your mul Well, your mulch is completely taken care of.


**Bam Bam:** that's one mulch is done. But if he's skinny dips, I'm bringing five gallons of Clorox with me dumping it in a pool before jumping in.

**Poobah:** What's the difference? What's the difference?

**Gizmo:** It's a fair question. There's no difference. All right, so what,

**Senator:** sorry. Do you, who has landscapers? I

**Poobah:** do. Just from the Is your mulch, is your mulch done?

No, no. My mulch is done. No where? What the, yeah, my guys are done. Deny. Did

**Gizmo:** they come? When

**Senator:** this is actually happen is the

**Rooster:** perfect [00:42:00] time right now. Right now. Because everything from the trees has kind of like come down a little.

**Senator:** So this, you're good. Well, they better get on. My

**Rooster:** stuff's still not right around.

**Gizmo:** Memorial Day is good. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Senators, landscapers tomorrow are gonna get a nasty, they're gonna get a very

**Senator:** nasty car. Are you gonna get black mulch? No. I like the dark brown one. The

**Gizmo:** hemlock?

**Bam Bam:** No rooster. Black. Black and brown. Yeah.

**Gizmo:** No, I mean, there's, hemlock is like, that's paying extra. Extra It's the Koji

**Senator:** paying extra for, for nothing.


**Poobah:** worth it. Yeah. My, my, my mulch. My mulch. Just getting the regular mulch is like, cuz I have so much mulch. Yeah. It's like $3,000 too much.

**Rooster:** So how many, how many yards is that? 20.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's funny. That's a

**Poobah:** lot. That's, that's a lot of mulch. Wait, well, you gotta remember. It goes all the way up the side of my driveway, driveway, driveway.

Mm-hmm. All the way around the front of the house, all the way around the pool. All the way around these big tree beds that I have. Uh, it sounds, this sounds impressive. It's not, it's just completely impractical the way everything's [00:43:00] designed.

**Gizmo:** Do you mulch for the raccoon house?

**Poobah:** The rec, what do you mean the garage?

In the garage. The garage, yeah. By the way, that garage in the back, uh, I'm making. Moves with the garage in the back. There you go. The garage in the back is getting overhauled and it's nice. It's a, it's a huge garage. And so got lounge. I'm investing. Right. Little man, man.

**Gizmo:** So little man cave, little wizard lounge.

**Senator:** Careful. Pbo. We're gonna hold you to this.

**Poobah:** Well, yeah, yeah. So like, bam, bam, with a tower. Well, so, so design build

**Bam Bam:** will be right there.

**Poobah:** Well, well, what I'm saying is, I mean, incrementally, y y you know, we could, that's a place that we could actually do the pod in. Hmm. Uh, nice. Uh, because it's, what's the opening date?

**Gizmo:** Well,

**Poobah:** I'm, I'm, I'm sort, I have to source some, you know, it's gonna take a second. But I'm actually investing labor in that. Yeah, in that.

**Gizmo:** So that's

**Rooster:** you looking for an architect, [00:44:00]

**Poobah:** you know, I really don't need one, you know. Um, nobody does. No, no, no, no. It's, it's, it's actually Thank you. There's more, here's the thing.

There's more going on in there. So I had, I had, I'm sorry. I had the plumber come because a pipe, I have water back there. I have electric, not just regular electric, but I have like the, the solar. No, like I have electrical in there. That, that is like the, uh, the higher voltage for like, I don't, I can, yeah. I don't know what it's called, but like I can, I can charge my Tesla.

No, you can like run ci. Seriously. No, though you can like, it's like got higher voltage like outlets in there.

**Bam Bam:** So what you're saying is whatever, it's, you have two 20 ne you

**Poobah:** have two 20 in a garage, something like that. Like for machinery and tools and shit. Nice. That's what the guys, two 20 have them put in a

**Senator:** 1450 outlet for Rooster and I and, and

**Gizmo:** pagoda.

Pagoda too. Yeah. Yeah. Charge your charge. The cars. You guys have

**Bam Bam:** matching cars. Why don't you do a [00:45:00] supercharge

**Gizmo:** like adorable Teslas 250 cars.

**Poobah:** Let's not get crazy with, with, with, with the electric car stuff. I'm just saying that, uh, it's, it's got a lot of potential. I mean, there's running water and electric and cable.

That's cool. Let's

**Gizmo:** go. That runs back. By the

**Pagoda:** way, I think guys is considering a Tesla.

**Gizmo:** Oh yeah, my next car will be a Tesla for sure. Really? There we go. It's not gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna be a while, but yeah, it'll be my

**Senator:** next one. I just love this. Do it now. This group gave me so much shit. Asked me a thousand questions.

I didn't give you shit. Every person I was that has followed suit and got a Tesla followers said it is the greatest decision they've made. Don't do it.

**Rooster:** You can eat your lunch and you don't

**Gizmo:** have to touch the wheel, by

**Pagoda:** the way. Thank you, Senator. You made my life so much easier. Finally, I can drive. I think I'm better at it.

I think I'm driving a golf cart every time I drive. It's like it's, it's a

**Rooster:** fast.

**Senator:** A fast golf cart. Very fast golf cart.

**Gizmo:** So boys, like we mentioned, it's the official start of summer now. Pub's pull is open. That's the lizard indicator that [00:46:00] summer is on. He's mulched and ready. Uh, we do have some questions. We often get questions from listeners, uh, about, you know, different aspects of our deck setups, our out outdoor smoking, uh, setups that we use in the summer.

So I, I wanted to share with the listeners some of our favorites. Uh, we can go down the whole, the whole range of products that we use, cuz we're very specific. Obviously, as the listener knows, we're very discerning folks. So let's talk about first the entertainment setup. Hmm. So, obviously the Rover, which Puba turned us all onto, which the TV sits on.

It's the goat. It's the goat. That's the, that's one of the greatest product recommendations I've ever gotten. It is Rover. So,

**Poobah:** so a must. So it is a must. So for the listener, the ro, when we say the Rover and roving, that's really just something that. Has been made up by us. By you. Okay, by me, by me saying roving.

Roving is a [00:47:00] lifestyle, meaning you gotta get a portable TV stand off of Amazon that's on wheels, and it's about a hundred bucks

**Gizmo:** less. 89. About 50 50 now.

**Poobah:** 89, 50 bucks. Yeah. And you can, you can hang any TV on the rover, on, on the stand. And so Rovings a lifestyle. And you put a Roku stick into the, into your television and you put it on your

**Gizmo:** deck, or you just get a Roku tv, a Roku TV or Roku tv.

**Poobah:** Smart tv, right? Yeah. Any smart tv, any smart tv, uh, whatever floats your boat. But that's, it's absolutely,

**Gizmo:** it's, so the other thing too is what I do, you know, I have a, a nice tv. I, uh, my parents, for some reason, their TV went and I replaced the board and it, now I have this nice TV outside and cost me like 80 bucks.

But the, the crucial thing for me is I ordered one of the weatherproof TV coverage that I actually put over the rover that kind of seals it in. So I leave the TV out there, rains, whatever's going on. The TV is never [00:48:00] exposed to the elements, so I'm able to leave it outside and there's no problem with it ever.

Yeah. And it just sits on the rover. So I go outside, set it up, plug it in. Boom. Ready to smoke. Yeah. You leave it outside in the winter? I, uh, no. In the winter I don't. It's in my garage. Yeah. Because the temperature, temperature manage will

**Rooster:** affect it. Yeah. So you wanna bring it in

**Gizmo:** in the winter. In the winter I

**Senator:** bring it in.

But the key thing with the rover, so when Puba had this idea, I remember he and I were first chatting about this, and I'm a big proponent of outdoor television. I mean, it's like nothing better. You're like sitting outside having a cigar, you're in your pool, whatever you're doing, and you have like a TV and you're watching a game.

It's perfect. And I was just, I would have like a TV on like a table or some kind of stand out there. And Puba, I guess I must have sent him a photo and he texts me, he's like, you're a rover and you don't even know it. He's like, but you just need the wheels. He's like, you just gotta get the stand with the wheels.

And I was saying to myself like, how important really is this if I just wanted in this one area? But the beauty of it, and it goes for the same type of person that thinks like, oh well I'm gonna mount a TV outdoors somewhere. The problem when you do any of this is there's inevitably [00:49:00] some time in which you want the TV ideally in a slightly different place.

Yes. And if you've mounted it, you can't really move it. There's not a ton of flexibility. And if you've put on a stand, it's annoying. Cause then you're moving the table, moving the tv, all of that. And the beauty of the rover is you just take this thing in a split second. The TV's anywhere you want it in your yard, on your patio, on your deck, it doesn't matter.

Ready to go. And that's what's been game changing for me. And so many friends I have. Who have like mounted televisions outside and especially ones that have pools, and they're like, well, when I'm in the pool, I can't see shit on the tv. It's just too far. It's not nearby. And then they've come by my place and they see this rover and, and it's so funny because I call it the rover because of Hova.

And so I've literally had a friend this couple come by once, they're mesmerized by this thing. Mm-hmm. Apparently. Then my wife tells me maybe two weeks later, and she's like, my friend was telling me her husband can't find this thing called the Rover on Amazon. He literally searched Rover and it wasn't coming out.

Like that's not a little, [00:50:00]

**Poobah:** it's not a little nickname, it's a nickname for, for a TV stand.

**Senator:** But it's spread like wildfire where people just love it. And I,

**Gizmo:** I who I wanna, I wanna correct you, it's a nickname for a lifestyle.

**Poobah:** It's a list that, yes, it's a roving. So I can't take to a friend of mine, this friend of mine, um, a close friend of mine from high school actually.

Discovered this. And he, he, he goes, he goes, I, he goes, I use this on my deck. I use it inside. Yes. In the

**Senator:** winter. Indoor

**Poobah:** roving is amazing. Indoor. Indoor, that's why it's called, he calls it the rover because, and he would call us his kids who were watching baseball games. He'd watch t cuz this guy watches two, three, he's got actually multiple rovers.

Like, he's insane. So he'll have three TVs going, watching multiple games at one time. And uh, and he goes, and he, and, and his, his quote to me was, was he goes, spread the word roving is a lifestyle. Here we are a lifestyle and here we are. And he goes, just spread the word. Because once you start roving, [00:51:00] you'll never stop roving.

And it's true. You, you, you buy this tv, stand off of Amazon. You. It's clean too, cuz you can, if you wanna make it like where you run the cords up through the center of the, you know of the pole, you can make it look really nice and clean. It doesn't look terrible. It's easy to put together. Just search like.

Portable TV stand. I'll put

**Gizmo:** it in the episode description. It's a tv, TV cart. I'll put it in the t I'll put it in the episode description. Yeah.

**Poobah:** The exact one. And, and, and, and, and. Yeah. The exact one. Because you wanna also have a shelf. There's some that comes with no shelf underneath. There's a, you want shelf, new shelf.

You want a little shelf. So if you want to put remotes or if you want to put like an Apple tv. Apple tv, an Apple TV or something that it has a shelf. Yep. But, um, anyway, it, it rovings great. Rovings a lifestyle. I recommend it to everybody. So you can watch a game on your deck, watch a game, buy your pool, watch a game, and, uh, watch set up two TVs in

**Gizmo:** your

**Senator:** house.

[00:52:00] Yeah. Yeah. And to this point, it actually looks nice. I was worried that this like random cart would just aesthetically not look great. It really works well. Mm-hmm. I remember, I think when I first set mine up, I had it on the side with like, um, just like lounge seating furniture. And I'd sent a photo of the group and Puba just responds and he is like, perfect cover for Roving Digest.

This is like, it actually looks good. It looks nice when you have it.


**Gizmo:** Anywhere on your, and my wife will go out there in, in the summer and like have lunch and watch her shows. That's cool. So how I smoke. So sit out on the deck and just watch her shows on the tv. She loves it. Nice. Yeah. I would just

**Rooster:** add that don't go and spend extra amount of money to get these outdoor TVs Yes.

Mm-hmm. That are like $2,500. Mm-hmm. To waste. And they're

**Gizmo:** not any better. Just get it cover. No

**Senator:** get it. Just get the cover. The reason that they're so problematic, the glass that they have to use to truly make that TV weatherproof is so thick. Yep. The picture quality suffers so much. It's so [00:53:00] shitty. And you've just dropped a few thousand dollars when you could buy a $300 55 inch Roku tv that.

Has great picture quality and you know, if something were to happen, it's $300 and you can replace it. You're not dropping $2,000, all of a sudden the pixels are messed up and you can't use the TV and you're not gonna wanna replace that with another two grand.

**Poobah:** That's correct. And on these TV stands for the listener.

You, when you, you can literally, it, it, it hangs on the bracket by its weight. So all you have to do is if you want to take the TV and disconnect it and bring it inside you, just pick the t television up off of the bracket and bring it in. And the, these L C D TVs are so light, you could pick up a 55 inch tv.

Like a, it's featherweight. Mm. And, and, and bring it inside and all. And you can have actually the, the, what are those? The bra, the bottom, the legs. Bottom legs. The legs. I leave the legs on my [00:54:00] tv. You leave the legs on? Yeah. And then you can just put the TV in your garage. You can put it in a clo, wherever you wanna put it, to put it aside to get it out of the weather so that it's really not hard.

And then all you gotta do is pick up the television and literally you just drop it on the bracket. Yeah. There's no like, installation in Deins installation. Once the BR bracket is, once those things are on, on the back, you just slide it on top and you, it's done pick it up and you slide it off the top. So it's very easy to just take it off.

If it's gonna rain, you put it inside. Yeah. Take or get

**Gizmo:** a cover like I have Or get a cover. Yeah, cover works

**Poobah:** great. Yeah. And you get a 300 hour T, what do they call T? Uh,

**Senator:** Roku tcl. Roku tcl.

**Poobah:** 300

**Gizmo:** bucks. They're great. Yeah, major part of the, uh, lizard summer plan, the TV on the rover. It's life, life changing,

**Pagoda:** honestly.

Yeah. By the way, I'm so excited about getting to Rover this summer. All right.

**Bam Bam:** Yeah. I haven't, I haven't gotten one either yet,

**Gizmo:** [00:55:00] but I will, that's the surprising thing I've ever heard. My string lights have been done for a while. You know, I've never been to BA's house lights. Yeah. So I have a Me neither,

**Poobah:** so I don't

**Bam Bam:** have a deck.

Me neither. It's kind of hard to rove where I am because I've got a 20 foot by 10 foot area of English pebble and six chair Adirondack chairs with a fire pit. So, and the area, the terrain is kind of uneven. I don't know how I'm gonna rove. I'll try to figure it out. How about

**Pagoda:** just add one more Adirondack chair and then the lizards can hang out right in

**Bam Bam:** five's true.


**Gizmo:** got one on order. So here's a good question for you. Uh, bam mentioned the fire pit. Sometimes in May, June. It's still pretty chilly at night, especially when you go out to smoke 8, 9, 10 o'clock at night. It can get down into the fifties and forties. Um, What do you guys prefer as far as the heating method goes?

I know I have my preference, but, um, what do you guys think is the way to go as far as heat? Just mute Bams mic

**Senator:** for this portion.

**Bam Bam:** Well, hold on. The, the, I have a solo, the solo's terrible. Yes. And these guys criticize it, [00:56:00] but I have a solo too, and I like it. No, I do like it, but not in the deep winter. It doesn't keep you warm if

**Gizmo:** you're sitting on it.

Yeah, but in the, even if you're

**Senator:** sitting on, it doesn't keep you warm. No, I'm sorry, grinder. The one, the, probably the only time we were at bands place. He had his feet in the fire. In the fire and he still wasn't getting heat. I was on top of the thing and I got zero heat. So

**Bam Bam:** solos are meant for visual quality,

**Gizmo:** not heat for heat.


**Senator:** west coast ca,

**Bam Bam:** I will admit I have this, I have the kind of the medium unit. There's a larger one called the Yukon that a buddy of mine has. That is tremendous. It

**Gizmo:** keeps you warm. You know what I have on mine is the, uh, what they have at the restaurants outside. Yeah, those are the standing ones. Yeah.

Yeah. That project, the heat down with the umbrella above. Yeah. Even, even that. But that's not a fire pit. Yeah, no, I'm just saying it's like a heat lamp.

**Rooster:** It doesn't really

**Gizmo:** heat up the entire area, so, but for his deck, it makes sense. It works perfect for where I'm at. True. My deck is pretty small. Yeah. It's what, eight by eight maybe?

Yeah, it's perfect. Perfect. And my, my chairs and table are like bar height. [00:57:00] They're not low like an Adirondack. Mm-hmm. So I'm actually closer to the heat source. Yeah. So if you have a smaller deck, the propane heater, they're pretty cheap. They're easy to get and they work very well for me. Sure.

**Senator:** I would just say given you have a smaller deck, A great setup.

So I have for like down in the yard, like a big like steel drum, fire pit, like rooster. Were very big proponents of this cause it radiates a ton of heat. Oh yeah. But for on the deck, for summer, what we're talking about where you kind of get those, like California cool nights where it's not really that cold, but it's just a little bit chilly.

So you want some heat, but maybe not an aggressive amount of heat. Like if you lit up a fire wood burning fire pit, like we have, I mean it puts out you could, it could be 30 degrees, you could warm up next to that thing. And so what you might wanna look at, These gas fire pits that they have. They're, it's like the size of like a coffee table.

They're propane. Yeah. Yeah, they're propane. Right. And, um, they put out as much or as, uh, much or as little heat as you want. And just aesthetically, it's just [00:58:00] so nice. You're sitting out there, you're having a cigar having a drink, and you're just looking at the fire. It's really great setup. And they're not that expensive.

It's like a few hundred dollars on Amazon. Um, they're also good for those setups. You could also run a gas line

**Bam Bam:** That too. You, you could, but what he's describing, a lot of them have these interesting glass granules. Yes. Yeah. Integrated into the fire. And they're beautiful to look at. Yeah. Especially when it's fire and they

**Poobah:** put off a little heat.

I have, I have the same thing. It's, they're nice. They're great for

**Bam Bam:** entertaining. They totally work. Yeah.

**Pagoda:** Having, you know, one thing about the solo, you can put it on a deck, like a wooden deck you can puts Awesome. Put the solos. Yeah. And that's the real advantage of it, right? Because if you're in a wooden tech wooden deck and you want a fireplace, solo is

**Bam Bam:** the result for it.

So that's a great point because I'm on grade with English Pebble and the, it doesn't have a chance to breathe on a wooden deck. The solo requires a base that you buy. It's separate. So it, it elevates it off the surface. It allows the air to filter through. Mm-hmm. It does radiate a little bit better heat.


**Gizmo:** Yeah. [00:59:00] So how much is

**Bam Bam:** the solo? It's not cheap. Couple of hundred bucks. Yeah. I mean, the one I have is 290 bucks. The Yukon is 400. I'm considering getting the Yukon because it really, on a cold night, I've been at buddy's houses. I know this. I don't

**Poobah:** believe it. No, I've seen the Yukon. The Yukons are great.

The Yukon does do a lot better. It does. It's a big, so

**Senator:** does do better, but it doesn't put out nearly as much heat as the have. So you

**Bam Bam:** haven't been around a yuk sold

**Gizmo:** 400, have you? Yeah. So for $400,

**Rooster:** I would recommend getting a cast iron Yes. Thing that we

**Gizmo:** have, which is basically indestructible. So I have,

**Rooster:** this will last forever.

I have two and it'll radiate a lot of

**Gizmo:** of heat. Sure.

**Bam Bam:** I have two cast irons that I keep in my garage because I bought the solo. So I'm determined I gotta make that solo work somehow. No, but look for the, just throw in the lake

**Senator:** and use some real stuff at the lake. You

**Rooster:** know the reason why it's called a solo is because it's just

**Gizmo:** for one person.

You're the only one that likes it. It's so

**Pagoda:** said that, you know the solo's, the only thing that [01:00:00] works on a deck. Except for the other ones which are on the

**Senator:** platform. Oh. Which, oh, no, that's true. That's true. If Bam had a deck, I would understand it. But he can put out some serious heat down there. He doesn't have to worry about that.

So just get the setup we have. All right.

**Gizmo:** You'll be nice and warm. Thank you. So boys, we're coming into the last third here of the Freud Cigar Company. Superego. Lonsdale. I gotta say, as we've been chatting, I'm finding this to be a really, really enjoyable smoke. Very enjoyable. Very

**Pagoda:** enjoyable. Yeah, it is

**Gizmo:** enjoyable.

I've really enjoyed it tonight. Now my question for you guys is, where would this slot in for you? Like what, at what point in your rotation would this, what would this replace or what would this sit next to? You know, where would this go? That's the question that I'm, yeah. Having difficulty answering myself because, oh, I have the answer to this.

I'm not sure what's You mean like morning,

**Rooster:** afternoon dinner? Yeah, kind of.

**Gizmo:** Yeah. I mean, you can kind of smoke this anytime.

**Senator:** Yeah. I mean, I think any time of day, but I think maybe when Giza same rotation, he means more like wearing a, [01:01:00] it's a gar that we typically would smoke. Like where would it slot into maybe replace it at certain times.

For me, this is the same place where if I'm gonna light up like an Ashton, V S G or warped, um, A warped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, many of those instances, basically, anytime I. Maybe I've had too much patron or I just want something different, but that would slot in when I want a lot of flavor and some complexity.

Mm-hmm. That's where I would slot this in. So for me it's, it would be rotating in that, okay, I, I don't want a patron right now, or I just had one and I want something different. And I'd have this like rooster said of warped an Ashton, V S G, something in that family. That's where I would

**Bam Bam:** smoke this. Yeah, makes sense.

You know, the cigar is performing at a point where it's worth buying a box So far. Definitely.

**Gizmo:** And I like that it's 10 count box. It's not a 20 box, it's 10 count,

**Bam Bam:** $17 and you know, rotating it in, like you say you wanna replace it for drone. It's a great idea. I'm hoping for a

**Pagoda:** memorial day, 25% discount. Just being.[01:02:00]

**Bam Bam:** I, I will say though, it is very flavorful. It is. It's really quite satisfying. So I could see, if I'm not gonna do a four or five cigar night and I'm doing two or three, I'll do this first and then maybe, or I'll do it last after I've done two Cubans and go home. Yeah, I'm fine with that.

**Gizmo:** Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I would do

**Rooster:** this and then a padron and be done.

**Poobah:** Absolutely. Yeah. Padron would be a good,

**Gizmo:** uh, yeah. You know, second to this. Agreed. So the other thing that I think about a lot when I'm smoking outside in the summer is controlling bugs. And, you know, if I'm in New Jersey here where we record, you know, I spend a lot of time in Florida in the summer, Which is like a nightmare as far as bugs go.

Um, I, I know I have a very specific, I think you and I use the same one, Senator. Thank you. Um, therm, go ahead. Thermic

**Senator:** Cell. The Thermic Cell. So Thermic Cell is great. It's basically, it's this little device. You can find it at Target, Amazon, and I'm sure other places. And it [01:03:00] has in the, uh, underneath in the middle, this little butane tank that you screw in.

And then there's this little like film that you slide in the top that has whatever bugs. It's like a squared,

**Gizmo:** it's like a disc or something. It's like

**Senator:** cartridge. Like a cartridge. Exactly. You just slide that in the top and that has whatever chemicals to repel bugs. And whenever we're like eating outside, You just throw that thing at a, on some part of the table, and I'm telling you, it just like creates this radius works where the bugs just don't want to come in work.

**Gizmo:** It's awesome. It works brilliantly. Yeah. And I'll tell you, you can sit there and smoke the, the most chim esque cigar and the bugs don't care. They're still all over you. But as soon as you throw up this thermic cell, which is it, it it, you can see a little bit coming off, but it doesn't like overwhelm you.

Yeah. You know, like a lot of other bug to deterrent stuff. That's true. Uh, does, I mean, it works great. Mm-hmm. And it's, it's not very expensive. Certainly worth it if you're sitting out there with an expensive cigar.

**Senator:** The other thing I'll say, so there are all these like bug candles, like [01:04:00] citronella and all these companies make them.

My experience has been that they all suck, but the one that actually has worked really well, it's, it's just bizarre. And I just like, sometimes like a candle like lit on a table if I'm dining outside or even just having a cigar and I just wanna, like, for some reason there's something about candlelight, uh, the company, you know, that makes like the tiki torches.

Yep. They have a candle with, see, this is the problem, like the, the citronella and the other like cheap brands that make this, the, the wick for the candle is like this tiny, thin, mm-hmm. Little wick. And the problem is if there's any wind at all, the candle just goes out right away. Yeah. The company that makes the tiki torches, they have one, it's in like a kind of metal canister.

The wick is like super thick, like in a tiki torch almost, and it withstands any amount of wind and it really works with the bugs. It's amazing. Is it

**Bam Bam:** aromatic, like the citronella? Because that's one thing I hate about those candles. It's

**Senator:** not, [01:05:00] which is why I like it. Absolutely. It's, I agree. I hate the smell that that puts.

**Bam Bam:** No, it's awful. It kind of, if you're eating with a citronella candle, yeah. It just turns you off. I agree. Yeah.

**Pagoda:** I would recommend the,

**Bam Bam:** is that an inside joke? What is

**Rooster:** turtle? Is it? It's one of those coils. You know those green coils you might have seen like that keeps the mosquitoes

**Gizmo:** and bugs away? No, no.

India. It burns. It burns

**Rooster:** really slow.

**Pagoda:** You have to go to the Indian market, but I'll tell you, it

**Bam Bam:** works. Are you burning turtles? It works for Indian. This is for our, our

**Gizmo:** listeners. It's blurry. One of our listeners in India. Oh, for our listeners in India. This is for you. This segment. You burn a turtle, you just light a turtle on fire.

Go to the lake, get a turtle, light it on fire. The bugs go away.

**Rooster:** Ooh. It's a brand. It's a

**Gizmo:** bread. It's a bread. So as far as furniture goes, I know you guys are very passionate about furniture. I'm a big Adirondack chair guy outside. I want those. Me too. Me too. Yeah. They're cheap and they [01:06:00] last extraordinarily comfortable.

You have Costco furniture outside of Hollywood. You're Hollywood. Sorry. Hollywood.

**Senator:** But they're not extraordinarily

**Bam Bam:** comfortable. Yes, they are. Well, well, it


**Senator:** on the one you buy. Depends on the one you buy. Depends on the one you buy. And most people buy the ones where they're like aggressively sloped on the seat.

Yes. And because of that, it's like digging into your thighs. He's right. And your ass is just like, it it, it's painful, honestly, to sit in a lot of these chairs. Yeah. So it is critically important, the one you buy. And I'm serious. The vast majority of people buy these ones that are super uncomfortable.

Mm-hmm. And I fucking hate sitting in people's backyard on these chairs for an extended period of time. You've

**Gizmo:** been on my

**Rooster:** patio on the Adirondack chairs. So you wanna make sure that it has a curved back. That too. So that makes it comfortable. Mm-hmm. And, and also where you sit, it, it, it has to have a slope, but it's not, it's not a sharp edge.

Yeah. It's, it's a rounded edge.

**Senator:** It can't be too aggressive. Right. Some of them are really aggressive, that angle and it's super uncomfortable. Interesting. Right. To any extent, the poly,

**Rooster:** the Hollywood material, Hollywood's great. You can just [01:07:00] leave it out there. You could power wash it with an electric, uh, yeah.

Power washer. Mm-hmm. You're good

**Poobah:** to go. That's what I last forever, so, so Right. So I have Trex, um, same, I have the Trex, uh, Adirondack chairs. Same. And lemme tell you something. They're fantastic. Yeah. And they are not cheap. No, they are, but they last a lifetime. They offs a lifetime. They're 250, $300

**Gizmo:** a piece.

That's fine. Yeah. But if you have to buy an Adirondack chair every couple years, I've got six of them. Yeah. It's worth buying something like

**Poobah:** that. And, and the, that stuff. And then, so the power washer, my guy pro wash, he comes. And he power washes. My tr it's, it's, it's made outta truck stacking. I mean, it's like you just leave him out there all winter.

It doesn't matter.

**Senator:** The thing I love with these two is they come with like serious warranties. Like I know Hollywood, all of these, it's lifetime warranty. It's not lifetime, but it's 20 years, which

**Gizmo:** is great. It's my lifetime. It's Trek, I

**Bam Bam:** mean, no, it's not.

**Gizmo:** Don't say that. You know, ba bam [01:08:00] doesn't like when you jump, like, no, I don't like jokes

**Poobah:** like that.

But the, the, this trek stuff, the, the, the trs uh, Adirondack chairs are fantastic. Mm. That's what I have. And they're, they're wonderful and they're cl you, you know, you, you, you power wash 'em. They do it with like a little detergent on there and it's just, it's like they're brand new. Like, like you just leave them out.

That's the thing about the, you know, having to haul the stuff around is crazy. And also on the, on the, on the pool cert, on the decking, when you move them. Because it's like a, a little bit softer of a material, like it doesn't.

**Gizmo:** Scratch. It doesn't scratch that. Oh, it doesn't scratch.

**Poobah:** It's true. It doesn't scratch the, the, the, um, I had to do like a resurface of the pool area and if, you know, if I had wooden chairs down there, it would, it would rip it up moving 'em around.

But with these you don't, doesn't,

**Senator:** doesn't do that with Hollywood, with Trex, it's like, if you have like a wood Adirondack chair, I mean, that's only gonna last [01:09:00] so long in that, the same thing, like a deck, you're gonna have to replace, you know, wood slats, things like that. Where with this synthetic material, I mean, it literally lasts forever.

It's like I have a synthetic deck, like the deck looks new every year because it's not possible really to get destroyed. Like wood wood. Correct.

**Poobah:** Correct. And, and they're comfortable and they're, you know, and they last a long time. So the value's there, I mean, the regular Adirondack chairs, uh,

**Gizmo:** they're not cheap, dude.

**Poobah:** They're, they're not, they're super expensive and you gotta maintain 'em. There's maintenance involved. Yeah. That's why I got the, because every, you know what's great about 'em? You can take a drink, but, and you can put it down on there. Yeah. You know, like it's, it's a level

**Senator:** Depends the ones you buy. That's true.

We have seriously many a drinks. Yeah. Sorry, just a quick, funny, funny aside. A very good friend of ours, we all went up to, um, Woodstock, Woodstock, New York Hotel Villas. Exactly. Uh, during the pandemic. And uh, that's a great, great spot, guys. It is great [01:10:00] hotel. The di the Dylan Hotel there, and we're all sitting in Adirondacks around this big fire pit having great night smoking cigars.

And the problem with some of these Adirondack chairs is if they were smart, they'd make 'em like some of the companies do, where that arm needs to be flat. So a drink can very easily sit there. Some of them make them sloped. Mm-hmm. And so one of our Freds, after several SCOs just kept putting his drink, thinking it's on the arm of the cherry could leave it there, but it's sloped.

So every time it would just fall off. And you would think after the first, second, or third time, The message would be clear. You can't leave the drink there at every time. Just kept putting it back, sliding off another drink, fresh drink, sliding off the whole day. Five glasses

**Rooster:** of Macallan

**Bam Bam:** on the grass. We, we sent them to bed after that fifth

**Poobah:** one.

Well that's why when you get the trucks, once they mark they test them. You know what I mean? But big audiences, cuz they, they make a lot of them. I

**Rooster:** remember that morning clearly.

**Gizmo:** Oh dude, that was a great night. Five, five

**Rooster:** glasses of Macallan on the grass [01:11:00] and at least six elfe, half

**Bam Bam:** lfe, half smoked,

**Rooster:** half smoked,

**Gizmo:** strewn all over the grass.

Uh, it's a great night. It was. I'm excited for outdoor smoking again. Yes. I'm very excited

**Senator:** about it. That's great. The best part of the whole outdoor thing. Oh, even in the winter, sometimes at night, we've done fire pit nights and stuff like that and there's just something cool around, sitting around a fire, even if it's a little painfully cold.

But I just love when it's warm in the afternoon. Yeah. I'll just take my laptop out on the deck. Yeah. I'll work from out there. I'll be able to smoke cigars while I'm working. And that's my favorite part of the whole thing is just being, to spend the entire day out there. Yeah. Only

**Gizmo:** issue is the wind. Yeah.

If it's windy, it's true. If it's windy. If it's windy, yeah. If it's, if there's

**Rooster:** no wind, it's, it's just a perfect time

**Gizmo:** to be outside. There's

**Bam Bam:** nothing like a midday break after lunch. Yeah. With a part of a short or a half. Corona by Uppin, [01:12:00] 45 minutes, Corona's, Claro. Oh yeah. And you're back in the house working Dude, it breaks up the day beautifully.

It's awesome. And that's for me, the quintessential springtime experience. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome.

**Gizmo:** Little lunch break with a cigar. Yeah. Outside. Nothing better. Oh yeah. Nothing better. And like, like Rooster said, when you walk outside and there's no wind, the leaves aren't moving. It's like, it's paradise.

You can hear like the angels singing, you know? It's like heaven. It's paradise. Heaven to sit outside. Yeah. Yeah. And have a great cigar. Yep. All right, boys, we're coming to the end here of the Freud Superego. What are you guys thinking? I love it. No complaints at all. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. All the way down.

Yeah. And I think, but for, but

**Bam Bam:** for the name.

**Pagoda:** Yeah. I think the name could have done better

**Bam Bam:** but me. So where did you get these, uh,

**Gizmo:** small batch cigars online. Okay. Yeah. Online. All right. Yeah. Atlantic has them too. Okay. Atlantic has them as well. Yeah. V i p price, I think in Atlantic is like 15 a stick. Nice.

**Senator:** So the thing I will say in the final third, it does pick up a little bit in strength, which is good.[01:13:00]

In a very good way. And, um, I think the flavor profile gets a little bolder and mm-hmm. Deeper and richer. So start to finish. I'm very pleased with this. Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** And just a second, what he's saying. It's all in that sweet fruit category. It continues all the way through for

**Gizmo:** me so far, and I think the, the undertone, like the earthy undertone, the woody undertone, I think kind of balances the sweetness out.

Like in such a perfect way.

**Bam Bam:** Everything we're saying describes what a complex cigar

**Gizmo:** is. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And I think for 17 bucks it really delivers. It's tremendous. How would you compare this to the Warped?

**Senator:** I like it better. The Maestro del Tempo. Yeah. I agree. I like this better.

**Bam Bam:** Yeah. I love that cigar, but this is a, a revelation, this little guy.


**Pagoda:** this really is. Yeah. I think I'm gonna buy a couple of boxes right now. Absolutely. Why not? I was thinking of one, but now it's like, why not

**Gizmo:** just to have 'em? It's a little more pricey than the warped. It is. You know, you're getting a box of warped for, you know, 10 bucks a stick. A stick. Yeah. You know, so it's, you know, it's, it's [01:14:00] a little bit of, but it shows why it shows, you know, it's definitely more complex.

Mm-hmm. But that, that's a great cigar too. It is. It is. It

**Pagoda:** is. Yeah. It's under stripes. Yeah. You know?

**Gizmo:** Mm-hmm. Uh, so what do you guys think about the juror 12 year age? I thought it was pretty damn good for 45 bucks. It's going down pretty nice. Very serviceable. And I think it was a wonderful pair to the cigar.

Pbo, what do you think? Oh,

**Poobah:** I liked it. Yeah. I, I enjoyed the scotch. Yeah. It's kind of like a, it has like some notes of Macallan, some notes of avor, but, but just. Not as premium, you know? Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** It falls slightly short. Yeah. But it's

**Gizmo:** there. It's

**Poobah:** there like, like, like in an airport or in an airline seat, or,

**Gizmo:** or if you don't wanna spend 75 bucks on a bottle of Macal.

Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. But where

**Senator:** pub is going there is exactly where my head is. I mean, I'm thinking about the options that you have when you're on a plane, a train in an airport lounge. Mm-hmm. And for Scotch, they're usually very shitty. I mean, there, there was a time where you could get like decent stuff, and I [01:15:00] think now everything's about cutting costs.

And so it's like a doer's white label. If you're on the Ella, I mean, I, that's not something I want to

**Poobah:** drink. You're better off getting the Woodford

**Senator:** agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's exactly right. Yeah. But having this now for the first time, I mean, I wish, because this is accessibly priced, This is everywhere. I mean, this is, I always associate this as like the airport scotch that you see all the time.

I hope they try to find some deals and strike contracts with some of these airlines or lounges, things like that. Because I would be very comfortable drinking this on a plane or a train Yeah. Over any of the crap. That right now is an option. I'm not sure

**Bam Bam:** who said it, but from the point of view of economy, if you don't wanna spend that money, yeah.

It, it is a great substitute for home. It is. It really

**Gizmo:** is. No doubt. Yeah, it is. And if you're, you know, you're sitting outside having a cigar, I mean, it's a perfect drink for them. Absolutely. Sure. You're with friends, you know, it's,

**Bam Bam:** it's a respectable home. Few buddies over,

**Pagoda:** you know, you don't wanna, uh, open up your really high end, uh, bolo scotch.

Pull this out. Yeah. Yeah.

**Gizmo:** It's [01:16:00] very good. Perfect for that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Good. So you guys ready to do the formal liquor rating on this? Sure. All right. Bam. Bam. You're up. Well,

**Bam Bam:** I'm debating between a seven and a eight on this one. Mm-hmm. You know, I have for the price and for the flavor. I'm gonna give it an eight.

Okay. Performed very well tonight.

**Pagoda:** Pagoda. I agree with them. 8, 8, 8 books will meet as

**Gizmo:** well. All right, Senator?

**Senator:** I can't even believe I'm, my head is in the same place as them.

**Bam Bam:** Oh, God forbid. No, no, no. I was thinking the same thing. Oh, yeah. You and I are in the same wavelength, God forbid. So

**Gizmo:** sensitive over here.

Jesus. But he's not wrong. Not not from

**Senator:** a, not from a a people standpoint, from a, this product standpoint. Right. That's true to rate, that's true. A product called Jira. None of us drink regularly. We haven't.

**Bam Bam:** That's, we started with the

**Senator:** coffee machine. Exactly. And then I exclusively just see in airports, which usually has like shitty basic stuff.

I, I also, for the price point, I have to give [01:17:00] it

**Gizmo:** an eight. Yeah. Yeah. Bam. I'm not gonna assassinate your character. Thank you. I was right there with you. Bam. I'm also an eight Puba.

**Poobah:** Yeah, it's same place. All

**Gizmo:** right, so it's a flat 8.0 tonight. That's impressive for the 12 year old show. That's very impressive.

I now for, for a 12 year age scotch for 45 bucks to get an 8.0. It's crazy. That's pretty

**Bam Bam:** wild. Yeah. Yeah.

**Pagoda:** Because, but, but, but I do, but I do think the sensitivity is so much that if it was 60 bucks, it might have been a seven. Oh, of course. Of course.

**Bam Bam:** I

**Gizmo:** agree with that. That value is factored there.

**Senator:** Scotch.

Absolutely. It's the value. Yeah. I mean, when you think of, name another scotch that right now you can pay $45 for that, is this drinkable that you'll like, I come buy two

**Bam Bam:** drinks

**Pagoda:** in the

**Bam Bam:** city, what Senator sings? Correct. You won't find a scotch that you'll like at this price? No, except for this guy. No

**Senator:** way. He will not, AVOR used to be in this range and now it's, it's 50, 55 bucks

**Gizmo:** a bottle.

Yeah. By the way, we gave the Avor a 7.8. Wow. So that shows you the value factoring. Yeah, thank you. The value factoring in. Excellent. So I, I mean, you [01:18:00] know, the, uh, the lizard ratings don't lie, boys. Mm-hmm. The lizard ratings do not lie. I'm looking at some other lower priced SCOs. Um, just seeing where they compare, oh, the

**Senator:** everything I wanna flag for the listener anura, they apparently also make a 10 that's even more accessibly priced.

And when I was reading about this online, people actually debate. Some prefer the 10 over the 12, some, some over the 12, over the 10. So I would just encourage, you know, any listener that tries this and likes it. Also, maybe try the 10 year it's even cheaper. And some people say it's just as good, if not better.

And at some point I'm

**Gizmo:** sure we'll review it. Yeah, I should, we should review it. So just comparing to some other SCOs that we did, the, the 12 year aged Glenn Levitt was eight, an 8.0 as well. And I see that. The Dalmore was a 6.2 and the Arael scored a seven. Interesting. You know, so we're definitely seeing the value factored in there.

Yeah. And this, well, what was aor? AOR was a [01:19:00] 7.800,

**Bam Bam:** that's excellent. So the versatility of this juror kind of coincides with that Glen Levitt, because you can cert, it's affordable. You can have a, a big party, a big cigar gathering and serve that to many people. And everyone will love it. Absolutely.

**Gizmo:** Nobody's gonna complain

**Bam Bam:** about that.

And it makes sense that the two are scored evenly.

**Gizmo:** I totally agree with that. And I would give the Jira a coffee machine a 10. I'd give that a 10.0 as well. Of course you would. All right, boys, are you guys ready to do the formal lizard rating? I can't wait for this. On the Freud Cigar Company. Superego in Lonsdale.

All right. Yeah. This is interesting. Rooster, you're up.

**Rooster:** So I'm, I'm kind of between an eight and a nine.

**Gizmo:** Me too. Me too. Mm-hmm. And the, the reason

**Rooster:** is the warped, I think I gave that a nine. And that was a $10 steak. And this, I want to give it a nine, but it's a $17 steak

**Gizmo:** you gave. So you gave the warped A 10. A 10.

Wow. You are

**Rooster:** outta your mind. Well, all right. So

**Senator:** nine

**Gizmo:** outta mind. That was easy. Thanks guys. You're welcome. Puba. [01:20:00] Um,

**Poobah:** I'm gonna give the cigar a, I'm gonna give the cigar a seven. I liked it a lot. I thought it was great. I'd smoke another one, uh, anytime. Very nice. Wow.

**Gizmo:** Okay. I'm going to give it a nine as, uh, for sure.

I, I think it performed very, very well. I love the complexity of it. I love the different notes. I just, and I love that earthy undertone that, that complimented the sweetness. Nine for sure. Senator.

**Senator:** I'm in the exact same boat. It's a nine easily. Um, the construction was great. The draw was flawless. It burned well all the way through.

And the flavor profile is very much in my wheelhouse. And I think all of us, if not most of us, um, very complex, very enjoyable. And the final third held up, which is always the hard part. It is. And so it, it really delivered.

**Gizmo:** It is. Yep. Yeah. Pagoda.

**Pagoda:** A nine. A nine. A nine. Listen, [01:21:00] I think I've really enjoyed the cigar.

Like, uh, after a lot of many cigars we've smoked, this is one of the new worlds I've really, really enjoyed. Uh, Definitely, I think I mentioned earlier in the podcast that I'm, uh, ready to buy a couple of boxes. Mm-hmm. It's a definite nine for me.

**Bam Bam:** All right. Yeah. Bam. Bam. I'm in the same camp. You know, you mentioned it before and I think we all did the complexity, the sweetness, the fruit notes, the Earth Notes.

For $17, you are getting a, a, a great cigar for extreme value

**Pagoda:** Nine. I'm looking for the Memorial Day discount, so, yeah.

**Bam Bam:** Okay.

**Gizmo:** All right, boys. So the formal lizard rating on the Freud Cigar Company, superego in Lonsdale is an 8.7. Nice. So compare, what did the, what did the Warp, that's exactly where I was going.

Bam. Uh, the warped was a 9.0. So again, I think there's a value thing factoring in there where that's almost half the price. That's not Yeah. It's almost half the price of this. Yeah. You know, especially [01:22:00] on sale. That's true. You know, you're getting a box of those maybe for 200 bucks for 25. Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** You know, this is a great guest cigar that you would be happy to smoke with your guests.

Absolutely. And I think they'd enjoy it. Oh, I would. I enjoy, we will all enjoy that. Yeah, it's

**Gizmo:** great. And it's 17 bucks or 15 bucks, whatever it is. If they put it down halfway, you're, it's not breaking your heart. No, no. Not, you know, not at all.

**Senator:** I think the, the biggest thing for me, why it's a firm nine. And I think someone mentioned this early on, it's not like anything else that we've mucked Yeah.


**Bam Bam:** that mentioned that as well. That's a really

**Senator:** important point. It's unique. That's the thing I really like about this. Like there are a number of new world sticks that we've tried that have been somewhat surprising, but the flavor profile of them is similar to other things I can replace that this is unique and I, I will remember the cigar and I would definitely smoke

**Bam Bam:** another.

Honestly, the uniqueness of it is that early honey note that continued through a little bit of creaminess. That's unusual. The

**Senator:** fruit, the fruit melon. When do we get melon? Yeah.

**Bam Bam:** And I mentioned that early [01:23:00] on, honey do melon. Yeah.

**Gizmo:** On the

**Rooster:** new world steaks, it's almost rare to get those

**Gizmo:** fruity notes.

**Rooster:** That's true.

On the first third, I mean this was high, like very dominant fruit notes in the beginning.

**Gizmo:** Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which was very pleasant. Mm. Yeah. Great pairing tonight, boys. Yep. Good ratings on both. So we had an 8.0 for the 12 year age, JIRA single malt Scotch, and an 8.7 for the Freud cigar company, superego in Lonsdale.

Look at us. Yes. Good. You know, listen, I love both of those ratings for the value agreed on, on, on both the scotch and the cigar. I'll take that every day, a hundred percent. Awesome. All right, boys. Goodnight. We'll see you next week. Keep smoking. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Thanks for joining us. You could find our merch store and ratings archive at our brand new website, lounge lizards pod.com.

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