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Matt and Sean talk about desalination efforts deep under the ocean, and how it may play a part in solving water shortages. Don’t get salty before taking a listen.
Matt and Sean talk about desalination efforts deep under the ocean, and how it may play a part in solving water shortages. Don’t get salty before taking a listen.
Undersea cables article: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/60150/10-facts-about-internets-undersea-cables
In response to “water we gonna do about it?”
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Watch the Undecided with Matt Ferrell episode, How Deep Sea Water is Now Drinkable https://youtu.be/Bu_IcFpEkg0?list=PLnTSM-ORSgi7uzySCXq8VXhodHB5B5OiQ
Watch the Undecided with Matt Ferrell episode, How Deep Sea Water is Now Drinkable https://youtu.be/Bu_IcFpEkg0?list=PLnTSM-ORSgi7uzySCXq8VXhodHB5B5OiQ
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What is Still To Be Determined?
Join Matt Ferrell from the YouTube Channel, Undecided, and his brother Sean Ferrell as they discuss electric vehicles, renewable energy, smart technologies, and how they impact our lives. Still TBD continues the conversation from the Undecided YouTube channel.
Today on Still to Be Determined, we're talking about what we can see at the bottom of the ocean,
and for those of you playing along at home, yes, David Byrne was right. There's water at the bottom of the ocean as we're about to talk about. Hi everybody, I'm Sean Ferrell and I'm a writer. I write some sci-fi, I write some stuff for kids, and with me as always is my brother Matt. He is that Matt from Undecided with Matt Ferrell, which takes a look at emerging tech and its impact on our lives.
And before we get too deep into talking about actual tech, let's actually talk about us. How are you doing today, Matt? I'm doing great. It's about getting hot here, Sean. I don't know about how it is where you are, but like the summer, somebody flipped a switch and summer suddenly here. People have commented before, they don't want us talking about the weather, but I completely understand why.
I completely understand why, especially from the context of like, let's have a repository of videos and podcasts that people can dip into at any point, and we have comments about weather that may have been six months or three years ago. So yes, that's ridiculous. But the news lately has been sending me the message that boy is global warming real. Yep. And it is here. We have just recently had massive tornadoes in the Midwest. People have died. We have massive heat waves in the Southwest and in through Texas. And here in the Northeast we had incredibly cold temperatures. And then snap. It's summer. It is. It's weird. It's hard to adjust to, it's dangerous.
So that's the end of my little bit about the weather. It's not actually about the weather, it's about the climate. It's about the things are happening, not great. Yes. So today we're gonna be talking about Matt's most recent in which he is talking about actually making sea water potable for use, either in the form of potentially something as simple as drinking water, but also for agricultural needs and meeting water shortages in a variety of different contexts around the world.
Before we get into that though, we always like to take a look at what you had to say about our most recent episode, so we're gonna dip into the comments from recent, from our most recent, in which we talked about. Matt, remind me, what did we talk about last time? Uh, it was wave power. Wave power. That's right.
I forgot. Wave power. How could I forget? Wave power. So there were some interesting comments and one caught my eye, which was kind of, I think that's part of the reason why I flaked on what our last episode was about, because the comment that I wanted to start out with is really one that's kind of a big picture.
Hey, Matt. What's going on, kind of question. And I wanted to give you an opportunity to weigh in on it. So from Corey who jumps in and says, I love Matt's videos, and I watch all of them and listen to every podcast follow up. Corey, thank you. Like thank you, Cory. That's, appreciate it. That's lovely. Thank you so much for that.
But, oh, Corey, there had to be a But here comes the, but here comes the, but something I've been thinking about recently is if Matt has any interest or plans for videos, not about power generation storage or heating and cooling, just a quick scroll through the channel, and I think we've only had three in the last 20 ish.
In the last two-ish years, I mistakenly called it 20 ish. Sometimes it feels like it's been 20 years. No, that joke, I love talking to my brother about this stuff. Two years. I'm curious. What's going on in the world of adhesives? What about the hand tool world? Who is doing cool things in car tire manufacturing?
What changes are happening in textiles? What does the future hold for the dairy industry? Technology is all around us. I'd love to see an Undecided video on a topic we've never seen before. I'm sure you have your hands full and with the stuff you do cover. I just think it would be neat as all. Thanks for being awesome.
Thank you Corey. Really lovely comment and that is such a good example. Like first of all, I just wanna say like that is a fantastic example of criticism that hits with a soft landing. It is not. It's constructive. You're wasting my time. This is so constructive and such a lovely comment. Thank you Corey.
So thank you for that Corey. So onto that Matt, when the hell are we gonna talk about anything else? I joke of course.
To go, to go to the way back machine. My channel has evolved over time, uh, but I've gotten in a little bit of a rut for the past couple years. The channel originally started with me reviewing consumer technologies, consumer electronics, and stuff like that. Then it slowly morphed into EVs and solar panels in my home.
And then it started getting more into sustainability. 'cause it's like, it's where my interests were taking me. I was curious about sustainability and sustainable tech and the channel just kinda evolved into that. And then for the past couple of years, it's been nothing but batteries. It's nothing but you know, nuclear, nothing but it's, it's just nothing but.
Sustainable tech at all? I'm I, I wanna branch out, man. Yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. I've been talking with my team about it a lot. I have a lot of interests. My tech in interests go very broad and we are doing more of that. So by the t by the time this episode comes out, there'll be an episode about, uh, I have a opinion about AI that I put kind of an editorial together that's coming out by the time this one's, this episode's out, uh, the one an episode coming up a couple weeks after that, that's gonna be about a brain computer, nothing about sustainability, but it's using human neurons instead of silicon for a CPU. So it's like I am branching out.
I am gonna be doing more experimentation around things that go well beyond what we typically talk about. That go there are tangentially re related to sustainability, but get further and further outta that circle. But I'm not gonna abandon what I typically talk about, but I am gonna try to create more of a, a melting pot because the, the tagline of the channel from day one has always been exploring how technology impacts our lives, and that doesn't limit it to one genre.
So Corey. I feel you, man. I appreciate it. I really love the feedback. Um, the challenge though, as a YouTuber is some of these topics put on a video and like, it'll be crickets. Like nobody will watch it. Yeah. And so it's, it's trying to find those topics that branch out that I think will also have a shot at satisfying the audience.
Yeah. So it's, it's. That's where it gets difficult figuring out what videos to make and what not, not to make. And it's funny he brought up tires because I just watched a engineering explain video, Sean, just yesterday that was like a half hour deep dive onto the construction of tires for electric vehicles.
And I was riveted. It was awesome. Mm-hmm. I love weird stuff. And so Corey, I would highly recommend going to Engineering Explained and watching that video. It's great.
Yeah. I'm curious. Do you, I mean, here's like, kind of into the, the machinery of how these videos come about. Yeah. Just rough estimate, start to finish. Concept to actual video released. What's the time span?
It's probably on a short side a month, right? Probably closer to six weeks. Start to finish. Some videos can take two to three months, right. Uh, to pull together. So it, it varies. So it's like some of the ones that we're working on right now will not be seeing the light of day until July, kind of a timeframe. Right. Or end of June. So it's, it takes a while. And then we also, when we're deciding what topic to do, it's like we'd literally just go to YouTube and do a search for that topic and see like, have people, if anybody making videos on this at all. Yeah. And like if they are. How are they doing for performance wise for that channel?
So if it's a little channel of, you know, has a channel has a thousand subscribers and it has a video that comes out that gets thousands of views, it's like, Hey, that's really good. It's like, here's a smaller channel that got a lot of views on this topic about this thing. So it's kind of, we take these kind of hints as to like, oh, there might be traction here that we could actually do a video on. Right. Um, you YouTube's a weird place, the algorithm is interesting. Yeah. To say the least.
Yeah. I was just listening to some, uh, podcasters who, and one of, they're both YouTubers as well, but they're in the role playing game scene. Yeah. And they were talking about the machinery behind the scenes as far as the algorithm.
And one of them, he was basically just like, I decided that for my own mental wellbeing, I'm not gonna chase the algorithm. I'm just gonna talk about what I want to talk about, and I'm not gonna be one of those people who's like, oh, here's the news in this field everybody is talking about. I have to talk about it, otherwise it will hurt me.
Yeah. Yeah. And there was a lot of freedom in what he was talking about. Yep. And it's also a bigger challenge because then you land in the place of like you currently have, you have employees and you have, you have a business that is built around this. Failures of videos are equivalent to the loss of income to that enterprise, which can impact you long term down the road. So if you inadvertently tank your channel.
I was gonna say, but I don't hold myself to that YouTuber. I have to put out a video that's gonna get a million views every single week. I do not subscribe to that. I wanna make videos I wanna watch regardless, algorithm or not. So there are videos like my team and I that it'll, it's funny 'cause there are topics like my producer, his name's Lewis, he'll be like, I'm not sure about this one, man.
I'm not feeling this one. I'm like, but I really wanna do it. We're gonna do it. So it's like, there are videos I push through and do anyway and so it's like, it's funny when those videos flop and he's like told you. Then there are times where I put videos out like that and they go gangbusters, and I'm like, Hey, we gotta win here.
But it's, it's, it's, I'm trying to find out. Sometimes you swing for the fences. Yeah, right. It's like a blend of like, here's a video that I know people want and here's a video that's my video. Like in Hollywood, you know? Like a director. Exactly. Yeah. That's kind of my attitude about how I make the videos.
What is, I mean, if you have a ratio in mind, what are you thinking as far as like moving forward? What do you think the balance will be between, as Corey points out the kinds of videos that Corey has pointed out as, boy, you have a lot about this versus the ones that are gonna be free range. Are you looking for a 50 50, 25, 75?
I've got a, I've got a ratio. I've talked, once again, I talked to Lewis about, it's basically like if I'm looking, I publish about once a week. So if in a month I have four videos, I want one video to be for them, like for the algorithm, for the the people. So it's like, here's a video that we're trying to get.
We're hoping we can get like a million views. Yeah. And then we've got two videos that might be kind of middle of the road and it's not necessarily trying to get as many eyeballs on it, but it's trying to hit the core audience of Undecided. Then there's one video that's like the roll the dice just from that.
So it's kind of a, it's kind of a one for them, one for me, and then two that are kind of like in the middle for right. It's definitely for me, it's a topic I'm interested in, but I'm confident people wanna see it. Right. So it's, it's, it's kind of that ratio. So it might be one, I say for three. For three for me. One for you. That'd be three for them. One for you. Three for them. One for you. That's a good way about it. Yeah. So it's a 75 25 split. It's a 75 25.
And would you say that that is already enacted or is that something we can look forward to as we move into June? Oh, no, it's, it's this, because there's a lag time.
It's gonna take a while for it to really, I've been trying to do that for the past several months and we're just now getting better at it. And for, I would say for the past month of our videos at this point in time. I think you could look at the channel and see that because there's, we've done desalination, we've done like stuff that is not around energy.
So it's like there's, that stuff's getting mixed in. And then over the, like I just mentioned, brain computers, ai, it's like that stuff is really starting to kinda trickle in now. We're trying to make sure that there's a, a nice cotierie of topics. Look forward to talking about those. We just, Corey. Hold on.
We're getting there. Yeah, I'm trying. There was also a comment from Lester Marshall that caught my eye for two reasons. He's got a two win one, basically. So these are two comments lumped together, but I think they're two different conversations. So let's start with the first one in which he's talking about our conversation around EV charging accessibility versus gas station accessibility.
Mm-hmm. Lester points out a very simple truth. When the first cars were on the road, gas was hard to find, but there were plenty of places to keep your horses. I thought that was a nice sobering Yep uh, analogy. It was our conversation last time was, is part of the problem around EVs that people simply have a mindset that's stuck in the accessibility around gas stations.
Lester, thank you for that. That's a very nice thing to point out that the first people to see cars toodling around on the roads were probably like, yeah, but what are you gonna do when you run out of gas? Yeah. Well here we go. And his second comment was about our conversation on wave capture energy generation.
Buoys, Lester points out, he wonders if they will be a hazard to navigation, but let the fishing in the area get better. That was one of the questions that you talked about in your research, Matt, that they are trying to figure out what does this do to the fish populations, the marine life in the area.
Mm-hmm. They don't know how it will be positively or negatively impacted. I know some things have been done for positive impact, which included, uh, taking some old New York City subways, stripping them of everything but the metal carriage and dropping them along the shoreline in Maryland. Yeah. To create an artificial reef.
Yeah. And within a couple of years, those artificial reefs had marine life living in them where you had coral growing inside them. You had the small fish that like the coral now hanging out inside them, which drew the bigger fish. So game fish is now easier in that part of the bay as a result of the ecosystem that has been supported through this.
And I'm wondering, was there anything that we didn't talk about in the video around this part of it, the, the impact, both the navigation and the impact to marine life? Was there anything that you didn't share in the earlier video?
We didn't, navigation didn't really come up in the video or in our conversation, and I didn't see anything about that when we're digging into this, I'm, I'm assuming that's not gonna be a huge issue because of where they'll build them and maybe how deep they'll be that it wouldn't be a problem for boats.
So it's also the ocean is, yeah, pretty big. So you would think there would be a way to say like, stay clear of this. Having said that, just yesterday, a sailing ship in New York City ran into one of our bridges, so Brooklyn Bridge. Oops. Oops. Yeah, so that's, that's a problem. It happens and unfortunately, yeah. But, uh, good questions, Lester. That's something for us to look into as this issue, as this topic resurfaces. Um, not an intentional pun, but a pretty good one.
I just wanna point out to our viewers on YouTube. I, I put the screen, Sean, every week, just behind the scenes, take screenshots of the comments and I just take those screenshots and I put them into a little. PowerPoint that we just put slides on the screen for, I dunno if you can see if you can see Sean's screenshots.
They look like he was having some kind of moment because his highlighting looks like you were using your left foot, holding a highlighter, going across the words.
I, I, uh, when I was doing that, I accidentally fell down the stairs. Okay, thanks. It's a little wobbly because of that. Yeah, it's, I mean, here we are, 21st century and highlighting on a computer, I do it with a touch pad, so I'm like having, having toss a pain, hold down like I wanna highlight, and then I have to scroll very carefully with my finger across the touch pad.
It turns into this. So my apologies. It's a little bit like I had to do a DocuSign recently, and it was like, oh God, here's a window. Please sign your signature and you could upload a signature if you prefer to do that. But here's sign your signature, and I was really grossed out to discover that signing my signature on a touch pad.
Is a little more legible than my actual signature, Sean? Yeah, handwriting. Sean has some of the worst handwriting, handwriting I've ever seen. The handwriting is not so good. You could be a doctor Sean, not. You could be a doctor. I should probably just start writing prescriptions and see what happens. I describe my handwriting this way.
My handwriting looks like somebody's drawing the ocean. Finally, a question from Babarudra. A long time commenter and supporter of the channel. Thank you Babarudra. Babarudra wonders about getting all that power that's being generated by these buoys. How do you get it to land? Babarudra writes, I'd like to see more offshore wind and wave power harnessing, but one of my concerns is the undersea cables.
What are the effects of the undersea power cables on aquatic life? We know that power lines cause electromagnetic magnetic fields. Are the undersea cables much different? I'd like to think they're shielded, but are they? Like Matt said, there's a lot we don't know. Matt, this might be an interesting topic.
Yeah. For a future video. Yeah. But I did a little research of my own. Yes. Sean's allowed to do some research of his own, and there are roughly 1.5 million kilometers of submarine fiber optic cables running along the bottom of the ocean. This is a little known detail about the internet. The internet connects continent to continent literally through cables under the oceans.
There are various aspects of these cables that are both a vulnerability and a benefit from governmental perspective, governments have found other governments trying to tap into fiber optic cables in order to surreptitiously spy on one another. They have also found the benefit of having a fiber optic cable as the means of information traversing from point to point, because if you can keep the location of the cable hidden.
You can keep the information from getting into nefarious hands. So there's a lot already on the bottom of the ocean Babarudra. But yes, I think more research is necessary and maybe sharing, sharing more information on Matt's channel would be interesting to see. I do know that one byproduct of all this, you mentioned electric electromagnetic fields, there is a ongoing issue with sharks attacking Yep cables. And scientists think it might have something to do with the shark's predatory instincts that include a kind of, it's not like, um, echolocation, like a bat, but they have a, in their nose, I believe it's located nerve bundles that effectively pick up on animals in distress. The idea of an animal thrashing in the water or swimming in the water.
So that's part of the lure for a shark. And scientists think there may be something going on with the electromagnetic fields created by cabling that triggers that so that the shark mistakenly thinks, well, this is in fact possibly prey and the sharks kind of chomp on the wrong thing. It's something that's been used in many bad movies.
Yes, yes. Plenty of bad movies about sharks in which it just like, oh my God, these sharks like to eat these cables. But it actually does happen. Yeah, so interesting fact. I also found a interesting article on mental floss. We have the link here in the show notes. Matt, if that could be dropped with this video, an article for Mental Floss about internet undersea cables. It's not power cables. So there may be a difference, Babarudra, between what an internet cable and what a power cable would do as far as size of electromagnetic field or impact on wildlife. But still an interesting article to take a look at. On now to our discussion about Matt's most recent.
This is how Deep sea water is now drinkable. This is Matt's most recent dropped just last week, the second week of May, and comments on this one included. Yet again, Matt, I'm always impressed by the big brains on your audience. Yeah, Kevin Gandy shows up to say, I was involved in the commercialization of OTC, Ocean thermal energy conversion 35 years ago, and this type of technology was part of it.
Glad to see that someone kept up on its development. I've designed a pipe system which could help facilitate this system. Perhaps I could reach out to them in order to assist. I would also facilitate in the ease in replacing the filtration. Thank you for presenting this. It's always fascinating to see people are like, oh yeah, I worked on that back in the eighties or nineties.
Yep. Um, fantastic. So effectively, Matt, we're talking about taking, harnessing the deep sea pressure of the ocean as a way of mitigating the needs for power usage in getting water to be pushed through a filtration system. Yep. Resulting in clean water and then taking that water from that location deep under the ocean and moving it to somewhere on land so it could be used.
Yep. Uh, one of the most fascinating parts of your video, I thought was the aspect of, well, what do you do with that extra salt? We've talked on the channel before about desalination efforts, which result in, well now you have concentrated brine. You can't just dump that in the ocean 'cause you'd be poisoning that part of the ocean, impacting marine life. And their solution here is a slow dilution at the surface so that it gets carried away by currents in a different way than just dumping it whole hog. So it really seems to be a system that is using the ocean and not harming the ocean in ways that would be, yep terribly impactful and could benefit use of water on land. Now it says it right here in the show notes. Matt, let's be adults here. Uhhuh. A lot of the comments revolved around a debate yes, between pumping and sucking. Again, let's be adults here. It's gonna be hard. Sean, what's the difference? Mega made has gone from suck to blow.
That's right. Going through my head right now. We gotta talk about the difference between pumping and sucking. So this is brought on by a number of comments in which people are calling Matt out for something, which I want to ask you, Matt. Were you using the terms interchangeably as is often done colloquially, which is yes.
Like you say, we have to pump the water. We have to suck the water. Yes. 'cause there were people who were jumping into the comments to say things like this from, we was Adam Mans who said, at first glance, I thought it wouldn't work. But then I realized that they would indeed save on energy by having to pump just the desalinated water up the gravity well, it has nothing to do with sucking. So Correct. In looking at all of the like back and forth where people were saying, Matt's saying, suck the water or pump the water and those don't mean the same thing. I looked this I again, I'm allowed to do my own research people. So back off.
There is a slight difference in Yes, the energy usage pumping directly transfers energy to the liquid. Sucking creates a vacuum that moves the liquid. And it can be more sucking, can be more energy intensive. Yes. So what we're talking about here are systems, correct me if I'm wrong, Matt. We're talking about systems that have been built probably to pump the liquid, to correct land, not to suck the liquid to land.
We were using those terms interchangeably and that was a mistake. Yeah. 'cause people took us literally when we were not trying to be literal in some of the way we were describing it, my bad. But uh, yes, there is a difference between pumping and sucking and the energy use. There was also, I noticed in the comments there was a bunch of people that were.
Not completely understanding that the ocean pressure was not what was pumping it back to land. The ocean pressure was only for pushing the water through the filter. The filter, right. That was it. Um, so I just wanna make that extra clear too, is that by putting it in the deep ocean, you're helping to, you're not, you're not getting, removing all energy needs, but you're cutting back on how much energy is needed, right?
So it's more energy efficient than doing this stuff on shore, right? Because you're using that pressure, right. To remove some of the energy needs that you'd have to use for pumps to push through a filter and then pumps to pump it back to shore. So it's, I imagine it's a variety of, it's about reducing it.
Yeah. Yeah. I imagine it's a variety of chambers and there's probably a pumping mechanism that once water has been forced through the filter by the water pressure of the ocean, moves it into a separate chamber. And now that recently emptied chamber is now once again susceptible to the pressure of the ocean, which then pushes water into it again.
Yep. So it's the constant removal of water that's going to create the lower water pressure area, allowing more water to be forced through. Yep. It's really ingenious, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's not new, this kind of, yeah, understanding of water pressure and using the pressure of the water to do a thing like this.
It's been around for a while. Do you wanna talk about the history and the length of history here? Well, it goes back to the first comment you just read. I worked on this 30 years ago. It's like this is something that's been known for decades and worked on for decades, and it's only now that we're seeing people starting to make it an actual thing because it's now cost effective potentially to do it.
It always comes down to money. Money, money, money, money. It has nothing to do with, oh, we just learned something brand new today, and so we're gonna start doing it. It's like, oh, that thing that we've known how to do for a while, we actually have the machinery to build it more effectively, to build it at scale, to do all this kind of stuff that the marine, we figured out the marine fouling issue.
It's like all of those things help to drive the cost down to make it more cost effective to do, that's, that's the thing, that's the turning point for most technologies. Another case in point would be like solar panels. We're working on a video right now about the history of solar panels. It goes back to the late 18 hundreds.
It's like, it's not like somebody in the 1970s was like, I got this idea for this thing that will take energy from the sun and turn it into electricity and we can put it on roofs. No, it's like they knew how to do this like in 1860, and it was only until a hundred years later that people figured out how to do it, the cost effective way, and even then it was expensive.
So it's like it always comes down to money, right? Money is the biggest thing in all of this kind of stuff. Yeah, the, the solar panels in the 1860s that you mentioned suddenly explains all those Civil War era photographs that I've seen, and I'm just like, what is that thing above their cabin?
Oh, Sean. I also harken back to the earliest machine guns and I, I picture, you know, the guy with the machine gun that's a hand cranked Yeah. Tank. And then next to him is a guy with the solar panel that's also hand cranked.
So one of the issues with the water that's being harvested in this way, and I think it's interesting to think of it as water harvesting. One, you would of course be limited to places near the ocean. You're not gonna be building pipelines from, right? Like we got a de desalination plant here in this harbor off the coast of California.
So now Arizona doesn't have to worry about water. Like it's not gonna be that, it's not gonna be that simple. But what are the dominoes that could fall to help alleviate the needs for water in those places where it is hundreds of miles, thousands of miles in land versus those places that could benefit from this technology?
Oh man, that's like a, a Gordian knot, Sean, that if you can figure that out, you're gonna make billions. Um, speaking of money, yeah. Th this technology is specific to places that have deep water they have access to. Maybe the Great Lakes, that kind of a thing, oceans. But for when you're talking about things like Arizona and places that are inland, there are other technologies that are starting to kind of take root, which are literally just like, think about them.
They're basically just gigantic dehumidifiers pulling humidity outta the air and condensing it. And there are companies that are finding ways to do that. Still are energy intensive, but they work, uh, and there are different, uh, systems that are going to do that. I've talked about one of them. There's like, this material basically basically acts like a sponge.
Like you just basically wring it out and then it absorbs more humidity from there and it gets wrung out and then more humidity from there. And it takes very little energy, but it's like these technologies are brand spanking new, some of them. And it's gonna take a while for them to figure it out if they can do it at scale and at, you know, for a city.
Versus, Hey, I just made like six cups of water for myself. Right. Not gonna be quite effective. So unfortunately for places that are inland, it's current reverse osmosis systems, which are very energy intensive. And there's a lot of the, the fact that nuclear energy is becoming, there's a kind of a resurgence of interest around nuclear, and you pair nuclear with RO.
Things really start to kind of hum along. And so it's like there's a lot of interest around pairing those systems together. So if we start rolling out more nuclear power plants, you just put RO systems, right? With the nuclear power plant, and it's kind of like a peanut butter and jelly kinda situation where it's using the waste heat and the system of the, that the nuclear power plant provides to make it more cost effective for reverse osmosis. Mm-hmm. Again, always comes down to money. So those are the things. I think what we will most likely see more often is like nuclear power, power plants with RO and things. Right now, un unless, unless there's some kind of breakthrough around these other technologies that I've talked about.
Something for us all to keep an eye on. Finally, there was this from mog, the Moogle, who jumped in to say, I think you mean. Water we gonna do about it? That's right. Just like Heavy D asked. And Matt, I've included a link. I encourage you to use a clip of the video in this moment of our podcast, and if not, you can just drop the link in the show notes and let our viewers follow it.
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