Another Zelda Podcast

David and Kady return to the studio to talk about the youngest heroes and unforgettable children across the Zelda series. From Wind Waker’s Errol and Medli to Breath of the Wild’s Reju and beyond, they highlight the smallest adventurers who leave the biggest impact. It’s a fun, nostalgic, and surprisingly heartfelt look at the little legends of Hyrule.
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Creators and Guests

Host
David Geisler
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Host
Kady Roberts

What is Another Zelda Podcast?

It’s a secret to everybody. | Another Zelda Podcast is a show wherein we talk about all things regarding The Legend of Zelda series!

David Geisler:

Hello, and welcome to another Zelda podcast. I am David, and I'm here with my regular cohost, Kady. Kady, how are you?

Kady Roberts:

I'm good. It's warm but we got a cute little cat next to us so things are good.

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh. I know. I'm I'm I'm excited to be recording today. Actually, we were chatting a little bit and catching up with our magical sword people and our Patreon people and all of that. And I the second I pushed go here, it's been a couple weeks and I just like immediately I had this weird emotion just seconds ago where I was like, oh, we're back in.

David Geisler:

Oh, we're recording the show again. Yeah. We are in the middle of a heat advisory in Chicago right now. I think I think there's many parts of the nation that are in this heat advisory and it is a balmy 88 degrees in the studio and I've had the air conditioner running all day but I had to turn it off for for recording And here we are. We're probably we probably have a nice sheen for the magical sword people who are watching us right now.

David Geisler:

Katie? Yeah. What are we talking about today?

Kady Roberts:

We're talking about the kids of Hyrule, all the little the little children, you know?

David Geisler:

Yes, indeed. We are. I think this is essentially a favorites episode. Our favorite young heroes. Yeah.

David Geisler:

You know? This actually this is a legacy title. This goes all the way back to two or three years ago when my old co producer Celeste, she was like pitching episode ideas and you and I were digging into some of our archives and looking for ideas. And we came across a title that said something like the little heroes of legend or something like that.

Kady Roberts:

Heroes of Hyrule.

David Geisler:

Is that what it was? Heroes of Hyrule. I knew there was alliteration somewhere in there. It was the h or the l or what. And I was like, oh yeah, that's an old one that Celeste pitched, you know, years ago.

David Geisler:

And I think within a couple seconds, we were like, I don't know. That sounds fun. Let's do it. Yeah. And so weirdly, is kind of like a Celeste recommended topic, but then we've we've taken it on here.

David Geisler:

Yeah, I had a lot of fun. I did some deep dives here, I believe, and I'm very excited to talk about it. We have a few other things to do first. We'll get into our listener feedback, but before we go there, I think one thing I'd really like to ask you about if we don't spend too much time on and keep the episode moving is you just got back from the Zelda Dungeon marathon.

Kady Roberts:

I did. It was really fun.

David Geisler:

Yeah. This is the first year I didn't go. Since since we've been going, this is the first year I wasn't able to go. And, you know, honestly, there was a part of me that was missing it quite a bit, but also I was like, well, the AZP representation is in good hands with Katie being out there. So I don't know.

David Geisler:

Tell tell me the tale. What was it like?

Kady Roberts:

It was so fun. So I got to actually play this year, which was exciting. I played just Four Swords Adventure, played a tiny little bit of Skyward Sword. But my big event that I was, like, so excited for was Wind Waker HD. Yep.

Kady Roberts:

Because I really loved that game. And so I

David Geisler:

Was this the one they had like is this the one where they had many people going? Right? You're you're like low

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Key

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

So Wind Waker HD, I kept putting off kind of practicing in a way. So I played it the one time for the podcast a couple months ago. Yeah. And then I played it, I would say one and a half times, like two days before I left. When you say played it, you mean

David Geisler:

you just got in and played for a bit or No.

Kady Roberts:

Like, played it all the way through.

David Geisler:

A full all the way through? Yeah. How long does it take to play Wind Waker HD? Is it like twelve hours?

Kady Roberts:

It took me about eight.

David Geisler:

Eight? Wow.

Kady Roberts:

Well, eight on the marathon. Wow. Probably ten ten or I think ten hours was my my first practice run. And then I only played through like the first half of the game before I was like, it's 2AM. I'm going to bed.

Kady Roberts:

But when we did it on stream, I played through I think I have my actual time written somewhere.

David Geisler:

Well,

Kady Roberts:

It's like eight hours and something. Maybe I don't have it written down. Anyway, it was like eight hours and twenty minutes or something. Yeah. But like I think the fastest glitchless speed run is like four hours and thirty seconds.

David Geisler:

My goodness.

Kady Roberts:

Or thirty minutes.

David Geisler:

Did anybody come what was the fastest one for the marathon?

Kady Roberts:

Well, that's all I'm

David Geisler:

gonna get into. Oh.

Kady Roberts:

So Oh. It was me and five other people. There were six of us. And how the gimmick worked was all of us are not professionals by any means. Most of us have only played the game once or twice.

Kady Roberts:

And so every $50 donated, a speedrunner would jump in for whoever was in last place and play for them for thirty minutes.

David Geisler:

Oh, like a person who has played it hundreds of times.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Who knows how to do all the glitches and that kind of thing. So that was, the gimmick, which we ended up raising, like, over a thousand dollars just in that alone, So which was we get in, we're playing. And I think for nearly the entirety, I was in first place. What?

Kady Roberts:

Even with all the speedrunners, there was at one point where I think it was just me and then like five speedrunners, which was so stressful. But it was super fun. It got to the point where Masas was just trying to like get people to donate to get rid of me and take me down because I was never in last place so I never got

David Geisler:

Wow. You're impressing me. I guess it fits to your play style.

Kady Roberts:

It was so fun.

David Geisler:

Do you practice you practice with like probably like speed run walkthrough or something? Like do this, then this, then this.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I I did a speed when I practiced the day or two before, I did like a speed run walkthrough and then I just kind of put some notes on my phone for when I actually played through it. But I was having a blast. I was doing good. There's definitely things that if I could play again next year, I could improve a lot on.

Kady Roberts:

But what what was really rough was it we were reaching towards the end where we were finishing up the Triforce Quest. Yes. And at this point, I think I'd been sitting on the couch playing for like eight hours and like five minutes.

David Geisler:

Okay.

Kady Roberts:

Not moving.

David Geisler:

Like I'm You didn't take any breaks or anything because sometimes people will. They'll get up real quick.

Kady Roberts:

No. Okay. So I I hadn't had dinner. It was like 2AM. I hadn't used the bathroom.

Kady Roberts:

But I was like, I really want to do well and win this thing. So I was a mess. Crazy how that can happen to you. But I still wasn't necessarily in last place. So I was like begging anyone to to donate and fill in for me.

Kady Roberts:

Because then I finally got to the part where I was just like not there mentally. So I fell and

David Geisler:

Like you kinda crashed

Kady Roberts:

I fell last. So two of the Zelda marathon people pitched in and donated so I could have a break. But at that time, we were so close to the end and our rule was once you reach Papaganon, you have to finish out the game yourself. Yes. I got like a ten or fifteen minute break.

David Geisler:

Sure. And they got you to Papaganon and had to jump right back in.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Yep. So for reference, I got like ten or fifteen minutes of this break. So I had enough time to use the bathroom, grab two bites of food, and go back down. Everyone else had at least three fill ins.

Kady Roberts:

And at one point, those those fill ins were forty five minutes. So they all had about two hours of fill ins.

David Geisler:

And there you are probably red eyed and like

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I had like the worst headache ever. But I hopped back in. Palimar got me back to third. And I ended up finishing second.

Kady Roberts:

I And was only a minute behind first.

David Geisler:

That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing.

Kady Roberts:

So I I'm really proud of myself. I was frustrated at night, but looking back, I'm really proud of it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That's so cool.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I hope I can play more next year.

David Geisler:

It was fun. Wow. Wow. Wow. How I saw I saw a lot of social media posts.

David Geisler:

I was kinda trying to kind of vicariously I I did miss it this year. I missed being there. That's for sure. How were the vibes? Was there were there any pool parties?

David Geisler:

I mean, it all seems right?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. We did pool parties. We did some game nights with, like, Jackbox and card games and stuff. We did a AEW watch.

David Geisler:

What's AEW?

Kady Roberts:

I think that's what it is. It's the wrestling American something wrestling. It's like WWE but it's like a different sector. Okay. Because GUI is super into it.

David Geisler:

Okay.

Kady Roberts:

And so I was like, alright, let's watch. He was giving me all the lowdown. It was so much fun. Also, Donkey Kong Bonanza came out

David Geisler:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

While we were there. Julie was playing it on the couch and I was watching.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Cool. Pardon me. I didn't mean to interrupt. No.

David Geisler:

We did an episode about this already. We did a weird asynchronous episode, but the casting announcement for the Zelda game came out or Zelda film came out Yeah. I think while you were at the marathon.

Kady Roberts:

It did. They were writing the Zelda dungeon people were writing on it while I was there, which they found out I don't know if it's still up and running, but if you look up the, actors names individually or like link castings, all the casting, it'll come up with something. So on Google, like, a link, it'll be like Google yeah or something.

David Geisler:

Yeah. It, I actually mentioned this in my part of our Patreon episode. Yeah. Yeah. Google just threw a real quick line of code in where it says, well, excuse me, princess.

David Geisler:

I think it says, well, excuse me, princess Yeah. When you Google Bo. And then it says, yeah, hee when you Google Benjamin right now. Just a quick little one little line of code thrown in probably into the header or something.

Kady Roberts:

It's super cute, though.

David Geisler:

Super cool. Big fans, we talk about our thoughts on the casting in a Patreon, in our middle tier Patreon Mhmm. Thing. And that's out that already that's been out for about a week now as of this recording. And if anyone's interested in going to hear that, are more than welcome to go check us out over on Patreon.

David Geisler:

And I didn't mean to turn that into a plug, but it did kind of come up organically. Any other, closing comments about Zelda Dungeon? We'll get into our listener feedback.

Kady Roberts:

Everyone there is amazing. Masseis is like a little creature. Love him for that. It's great.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Cool. Care to expand on that? I mean Definitely.

Kady Roberts:

You you think of like a little goblin creature and that's Mossies.

David Geisler:

Wow. There

Kady Roberts:

you go.

David Geisler:

Cool. Cool. Cool. Alright. Let's do listener feedback.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I don't know what to say to that. All I know what to say to that is that I really enjoyed having him here for our Zelda dungeon episode where he sat in the very chair you're sitting in right now Yeah. Almost two years ago. But anyway.

Kady Roberts:

Awesome. Did you wanna start listener feedback or me?

David Geisler:

What do we have? Five of them? Yep. Why don't you go? You got it in your hand.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. This one is long, just as a forewarning, but

David Geisler:

Is it that double paragraph one?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

Sure. Let's just do it.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. I think this one's on Instagram. It's Caleb Shaw, and it's to David. Hey, David. Sorry to reach out to your personal account.

Kady Roberts:

I was debating whether to send this to you or your or the AZP account, but I wanted to thank you personally for everything you do with 6five and the podcasting scene in general.

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I started listening to another Zelda podcast in early high school, very early on in season one. At the time, I didn't know really anybody personally who was interested in Zelda like I was. And your podcast along with Andy's Spittery's champion cast

David Geisler:

Andy Spittery. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Spittery. Thank you.

David Geisler:

Oh, well, of course. This is Zelda dungeon people.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I didn't know what was his last name. Sorry, Andy.

David Geisler:

You only knew him as Andy?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I just knew it was Andy.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Cool.

Kady Roberts:

Right. Champion cast at the time helped keep my interest in Zelda alive and well for quite some time.

David Geisler:

Yes. Let me interrupt for a second. Yeah. You probably know their show as the Zelda cast, think is what they call it.

Kady Roberts:

But was beforehand.

David Geisler:

For years, it was called the champions cast. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Well, I'm a senior graduating college this year with a degree in digital media. For one of my audio production classes, I had to produce and create a six episode podcast I never remember. A better model for my own podcast than the work you put into your own. The effort, care, and professionalism you bring to ACP is incredible and very easy to spot, Especially after having gone through the process of making my own and just exploring the world of digital media in general, I have such a deeper appreciation for the quality content you make. As I got to college and found a solid group of people who did share my interest, And as the general busyness of college got in the way I dropped off listening a little while back.

Kady Roberts:

However, recently, I've been listening again to refresh myself and understanding what makes a good podcast. And it's been great to have a backlog of a podcast I can always trust to be of high caliber. So that's my piece. Thanks again and keep up the great work you and the rest of the team do over at Six Five and AZP.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Oh my gosh, Caleb was amazing. I I remember this coming in and then I kind of forgot that this was that one, the two paragraphs. Yeah. Was really touching.

David Geisler:

I don't often, add stuff in that's from the from my personal account. I don't often get messages on my personal account and I was very, pleased that Caleb was so polite there with that. But, yeah, that's wonderful. That's, you know, and also it was kind of interesting having you read it, because I was able to really truly properly just listen. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Caleb, And that's so cool. Six episodes. I wonder what kind of show you made. Maybe anyways, I love it. That's the the my favorite thing about making this show is introducing people to more and more Zelda games and having them play the older games.

David Geisler:

My second favorite thing about this show is introducing people to podcasting and making podcasts and encouraging them to go make their own content, which has happened with a few people now. They've gone and made YouTube videos, YouTube channels and other podcasts and that's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. It does take a a lot of work to make these shows.

David Geisler:

Some shows take more work than others, and that's all part of the production process. And I'm very proud of every single show that we do with Six Five. We got a couple new ones that we're working on right now. I'm in development with one with a with a wonderful man named Rich, and we're working on a show called Father Figures. And what he's done is he's he's actually recorded his first episode in episode zero, and he's going around and he's finding people in the industry and all different kinds of industries that have been fathers, but in, you know, myriad of different ways.

David Geisler:

Sometimes literally just the dad who's going to work and trying to raise three kids. Sometimes it's a dad from with an adoption or a stepdad, or maybe it's just a father figure role in some other thing. He's interviewing all these people And, boy, the stories that are coming out of that are just so touching, so cool. And so, anyways, that's another one we're we're working on right now. And, actually, I think I can say this.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Hot it's not a hot take. Hot little piece of news. I've been getting a lot of messages about people wanting season two of fan fiction. And I don't know if you've ever listened to fan fiction, Katie. It's okay because it we we stopped making season one before you joined AZP, but it was the one that my friend Dan McCoy was making.

David Geisler:

Dan's been on AZP many times. Mhmm. He's a hysterical guy. He messaged me just last week and basically said, hey, I can't take it. I really wanna keep podcasting.

David Geisler:

I've got a new idea. Because he had a cohost for fan fiction and it was just, I guess it was hard for them to get together and that's why season two never took off, which can happen. You and I are tremendously lucky that we live apparently five blocks away from each other, and we can throw these recording sessions in anytime we can make them fit. So he is doing a show. He's recording his episode zero, like, this week, and he's going to be reviewing comic books.

David Geisler:

I think it might be six five Media's first ever weekly podcast. Think he's gonna do an episode every week, which is not part of our normal format.

Kady Roberts:

I love comic books.

David Geisler:

So he's gonna call it the poll, and it's gonna come out on Thursdays because he'll get his polls on Wednesday. Mhmm. We actually might call it what's in the poll and then maybe call it the poll for short or something like that. But he's going to literally go get his poll from his comic book shop on Wednesday night, read the comics, record that night, and we're gonna drop these episodes on Thursday. It's gonna be this is I'm so excited about this because it's a little bit outside of Six Five Media's normal format.

David Geisler:

Usually, have a pretty strict biweekly, do it as seasons, no news. You know what I And by doing a review, the only reason I'm allowing it, I guess you could say, is why I just I really want Dan to be able to make a show. But the reason for me, the way I've wrapped my head around it for Six Five Media is because it's part of our business model that our episodes are evergreen because because we want episodes that are even six, seven years old to still have value, basically. And so the second you do a news show, it loses value within a week or two. And, you know, there's other business strategies for that, it's not part of Six Fives.

David Geisler:

But the reason I'm okay with that, can't believe I'm doing all this right now, that's why I'm trying to talk fast and get through is he's going to be reviewing comic books, like I just said. And so it's news in that it might be the comic books that came out that week. But if you're still just a fan of those storylines and wanna go hear those reviews of those particular editions anyway, it's still evergreen, you know?

Kady Roberts:

I would kill I'm a big fan of Loki and Thor comics.

David Geisler:

I

Kady Roberts:

would to hear someone give their opinion opinion on some of those. Like, I've been reading through what is it called? Journey to mystery. Something like that. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Anyway, it's the Kid Loki run that I've been reading through. And I I ended up I have the Marvel app where where you can read all the comics.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I had that for a while too.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. But I I've begun going out and collecting like the big books of comics. So I have those Journey Journey Into Mystery,

David Geisler:

I think is what it is.

Kady Roberts:

But anyway, so I've been reading through the last thing of that before I jump over to Loki, Agent of Asgard. But so good. So much fun.

David Geisler:

He does Marvel. He he loves Marvel. He likes DC as well. I think he's the big thing he's excited about right now is that there's a line that's been going there, which I don't know much about, called Absolute Superman, Absolute Batman, and Absolute Wonder Woman. It's a certain style.

David Geisler:

Yeah. It's kinda like when there was, remember there was, like I think there was, like wasn't there, like, Ultimate Avengers or something or whatever? I don't actually know that much about comic books. So I'm excited about this. I can't wait.

David Geisler:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of this is a huge diatribe off of just me getting excited about people making shows. Caleb, I wish you well. I hope things are going well for you in school and with your production endeavors. If you're ever inclined to make a show again, I'd love to listen and or talk.

David Geisler:

And honestly, just love it whenever anybody comes to me with ideas about production because that's the most exciting thing because this is one of those industries where you can do it in a big, huge radio station and you can also do it from your living room. You know what I mean? And it really just comes down to skill when it comes down to like having it sound professional and well done. And technically, anyone can can exercise that. And so almost anyone can make a quality podcast.

David Geisler:

Alright. Here we go. What? This one might be cropped. Okay.

David Geisler:

Okay. Yep. Yep. Here. Circled it.

David Geisler:

Oh, that's so funny. This is I think this was an Instagram DM from Brendan Hicks, and Brendan says, I just finished your top 10 silliest ways to attack a boss. Great episode. Katie mentioned drag queens, so a non Zelda question for Katie. Who is your favorite drag queen?

David Geisler:

I'm a fan of Got Milk and Olivia Luxe. Bye for now, Greenheart, Greenheart, Greenheart.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

So What's funny, we're kinda like asking each other anyway.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I did kinda set that up that way. Anyhow, thank you so much for asking. So I have not personally watched RuPaul's Drag Race. I've seen clips.

Kady Roberts:

But I have been following outside of that, you know, Trixie Mattel, Bob the drag queen. But my favorite drag queen has to be Jinx Monsoon because she is so talented, not only just in like the drag circle, but also just as a performer in general. She does Broadway shows now. Her first ever one was as Audrey in the Little Shop of Clores Love on that. Phenomenal.

Kady Roberts:

If you ever have a chance to go check out Jinkx Swansoon, please do. But also like Trixie Mattel and Katya on Bold and Beautiful is really good. And also, Bob the Drag Queen is just a great stand up comedian. So

David Geisler:

Wonderful.

Kady Roberts:

Those are my takes.

David Geisler:

Love it. Love it.

Kady Roberts:

Let me know if you have some that I should go check out. Alright. So over on Apple Podcasts, this one is a little cropped, I'm gonna do my best. It's titled Lovely Podcast with a Green Heart five Stars. Hi.

Kady Roberts:

I'm 14 years old and have been listening to this podcast for the past three years, playing Breath of the Wild, and it's my favorite Zelda podcast I've listened to. You guys have inspired me to play other Zelda games, and so far, I've played Phantom Hourglass, Echo Echoes of Wisdom, and I just started Skyward Sword. Keep up the good work, and I hope you have a great day slash night. Five green hearts.

David Geisler:

Amazing. Thank you so much. I wonder where they're playing Phantom Hourglass on. Know. Like what system or what they're playing it on.

David Geisler:

Excellent. Well, thank you so much. Yeah. We we really appreciate the love and the support. Obviously, those five star reviews are the the best way for us to stay in the algorithms on certainly on Apple Podcasts.

David Geisler:

And if you're listening to us on Spotify, leaving a little review or a comment even on the actual episodes also helps, those podcast readers ping if a show is Mhmm. Should be shared with more. So thank you so much for that. Really appreciate it. The next one over here is a quick comment, I think over on YouTube, it looks like, for our favorite Rito episode.

David Geisler:

And so favorite Rito, white iron two three seven eight says, heck, yeah, I love this podcast. It's been helping me through all my ranch work. Been listening for many years now and always happy to see a new episode up and about to green hearts. Well, White Iron, that's awesome. I'm so curious about your ranch work and what that entails and what that is.

David Geisler:

I'm I'm imagining very naively imagining working with horses or working

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say with cows.

David Geisler:

Yeah. On a farm.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Typically ranch work, I would say is cows. But yeah. No. I I grew up on a bit of a farm.

Kady Roberts:

So I saw that one and I had to throw it in.

David Geisler:

You can imagine just throwing the AirPods in or the little earbuds or anything.

Kady Roberts:

That's why used to Yeah. Yeah. I used to do that all the time with podcasts and audio dramas and stuff. I just put my earbuds in and then go, you know, clean up the cow pies or feed the the pigs and whatever.

David Geisler:

Phenomenal. Well, let's like, we got one more here. I think this is what I just saw. Think this is the one from Ali, only from a couple days ago.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. This is it looks like on Instagram where you posted

David Geisler:

Oh, let me let me set this up. Yeah. You and I had a quick conversation on a a recent episode about how to play Phantom Hourglass, and I mentioned the whole Wii U thing Mhmm. And, how you could play it sideways on the Wii U, controller screen thing. To complement that, that also posted on our YouTube shorts and our Instagram and our TikTok.

David Geisler:

And to complement that, I thought, oh, what the heck? I'll also post it just as a proper Instagram post of an old photo that I took of myself playing Phantom Hourglass on the Wii U, posted that photo, and then this is a comment to that Instagram post. So all this happened within like a day.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. This is from on brand Ali

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

Which is our friend Al over on Zelda Dungeon. Yeah?

David Geisler:

No. No. No. No. No.

David Geisler:

This is Ali who is one of our Patreon patrons.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, I thought this whole time we were talking about Al. We were talking about this

David Geisler:

off You know, I got a little confused when we were talking about it. I thought, oh, maybe

Kady Roberts:

because because he was like, oh, yeah. This is from Ali. I'm like, don't you mean Al? Because she prefers Al. And you were like, oh, yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I don't know. I did

David Geisler:

Well, because we've had Allie's joined us for a couple of our magical sword hangouts that we do.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

And I just thought maybe you were in one of those or something.

Kady Roberts:

I was confused because we were talking about Andy earlier. So I thought it was Al and Andy.

David Geisler:

There is Al from the Zelda cast.

Kady Roberts:

Sorry. On brand Ali who magical sword Ali.

David Geisler:

Okay. That's fantastic.

Kady Roberts:

Awesome. We know too many Ali's.

David Geisler:

Very active, like, Patreon member and and supporter of the show, and we love it.

Kady Roberts:

Awesome. Alright. So Ali said, I just beat Phantom Hourglass for the first time, and I'm excited for your review episode. I bought Phantom Hourglass for the Wii U before the store shut down years ago. I booted it up a couple months ago and immediately said, yeah, I'm gonna buy a three d s for this instead.

Kady Roberts:

I don't wanna play like this. So thankfully, I found a three d s for cheap on Facebook Marketplace, lol. That's where I get everything is Facebook Marketplace. That's where I got my copy of Phantom Hourglass on the DS.

David Geisler:

Really?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Found it for like $30 on Facebook Marketplace.

David Geisler:

It's not bad. Facebook Marketplace might be one of the few things Facebook is still good for.

Kady Roberts:

Honestly. Oh, hot take. I don't know. That's that's pretty good take.

David Geisler:

Think it's the only reason I open that app these days. But anyway. Yeah. Alright. Well, we have that took a little time and that's I did get into a whole thing about making podcasts.

David Geisler:

So listeners, thank you for your patience there. Katie, let's get into this. Some some some of our favorite young heroes, young champions, children of of exceptional skill and or just I actually have some deep cuts of just, like, special children's storylines in the different Zelda games and stuff like that. Is there any particular one that you'd like to start with? I think there's a few obvious ones.

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say, if we wanna start a little obvious, I will start with the person that made me wanna start do this episode and why I was begging you to do this episode. Cool. Who's Medley? Yeah. From I'll Wind Waker.

Kady Roberts:

There's something about her that just makes me feel so very maternal. I when I was practicing Wind Waker even look, I'm not a fan of the second dungeon you go through with Medley. I feel like it's very difficult at times. Oh. And really finicky.

David Geisler:

Yeah. The dark one when you're throwing her.

Kady Roberts:

Uh-huh. But that being said, I don't blame Medley for anything. She is a perfect child who did nothing wrong. But yeah, I I really appreciate just how strong of a character she is and how much she cares about the chief son. But I like that they specifically make it more in like a sibling older sister way.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Which is kind of nice. But yeah, when she kind of plays the song for the first time and she like collapses and has like the single tier where she's like, my master knew I was like, my master knew I was going to do more or like something like that. I don't know. It was just super sweet.

Kady Roberts:

I really appreciated it.

David Geisler:

I was trying to find my medley notes and I don't I don't see them here. Okay. Well, I'm gonna have to wing it. Yeah. Yes.

David Geisler:

Yes. Medley's fantastic. I think she might be one of the earlier actual Rito that you meet. You know what I mean? And and I remember specifically she has a bit more of like a duckbill kind

Kady Roberts:

of She does.

David Geisler:

Bill, not the kind of eagle bills that you see on so many of the other Rito. Yeah. She's she's a sweetheart. I remember having mixed emotions when she comes back into the storyline later. There's a little part of me that was happy to see her again.

David Geisler:

There's a little part of me that kinda felt like, oh, the developers just didn't wanna create a new character, they took this role and threw it onto this act this, you know, this storyline. But nevertheless, I was happy to have her back in the story the second time around. So you just experienced it obviously just days ago, just earlier this week, the whole the entire medley saga.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I mean, we I did it probably a month ago now for the Wind Waker episode, but

David Geisler:

Wait. What are you talking about?

Kady Roberts:

Did we not do a Wind Waker episode yet?

David Geisler:

We did Wind Waker HD, but that was many months ago.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah. Well, for that. I don't know how long that was.

David Geisler:

It was like half a year ago.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Well, for that. I did it for that.

David Geisler:

I love it. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Time is

David Geisler:

time hey. Is a concept.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Time's a concept. Always going forwards and backwards and all around.

David Geisler:

Cool. Yeah. Played it for that. But of course, you played it for your your Zelda dungeon marathon. I did.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. And that's where I was like, yeah. I love Medley. I love her.

David Geisler:

Yeah. With her harp. Right?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Her little yeah. I guess it is a harp, isn't it? I guess it

David Geisler:

is that.

Kady Roberts:

A liar or something.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Yeah. That should be a

Kady Roberts:

I love her not more than Makar though. Makar is my baby, but I do love Medley

David Geisler:

a

Kady Roberts:

lot.

David Geisler:

Sure. Wonderful. Well, let's see. Maybe I stay with Wind Waker or maybe I move on. Well, if we're gonna do Wind Waker oh, it's kind of an honorable mention, but, like, we could do Errol.

David Geisler:

Let's let's talk about Errol a little bit in Wind Waker. So, obviously, Link's little sister. Yes.

Kady Roberts:

I love Errol. She anytime there's like an older brother, younger sister character or like just older and younger sibling characters in media, I always immediately latch onto them and like project me and my older brother.

David Geisler:

Okay.

Kady Roberts:

Which same same thing here. I I feel like with Errol, she's so sweet and so cute. And I feel like Link cares so much for her. I mean, does everything in the game for her basically. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

And

David Geisler:

I I think I think it's the first Zelda game where you're not rescuing the princess. Certainly, it's the first mainline Zelda game where you're not rescuing the princess. Mhmm. You're rescuing your sister.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. And I feel like Errol makes such a big impact that for me when I came in as a new Zelda fan with Breath of the Wild, you know, I was getting into all the fandom sides of things and the fan art sides of things and fan fiction and all this different kind of stuff. And I saw a lot of media giving Link a younger sister. And I didn't know where that came from. I just thought that was something that I missed in the game.

Kady Roberts:

Because people were like like I would read fanfics of like before Breath of the Wild and Link training and whatever. And he would like almost always have like a sister and things like that. So I I remember I came to you in like the early days being like, so what games does Link have a sister in? Because like, yes. And you're like, literally this one game.

David Geisler:

I think it was on air. I think it was on air. I was like, this one.

Kady Roberts:

I'm like, no way. So Errol clearly made a big impact on a lot of people, and I think that makes sense. Link does give really good, like, older brother vibes, I feel. So

David Geisler:

Yeah. I agree. I agree. And Link, you know, Link is so young in Wind Waker. There's I don't think there's really any kind of romance element with him any characters in Wind Waker, and there probably shouldn't be with him being so young.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. But I couldn't help but notice the connections with Errol and kind of her, like, seagull fascination and the connections with kinda like I almost said Maren, but I think it's Malon. Wait. Which one's in Links Away? Can name Maren.

David Geisler:

It's Maren. Oh, because I thought

Kady Roberts:

it was Maren.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Well, maybe there's a little play on words there. You throw an e at the end. Yeah. Maren and kind of how she turns into a bird and stuff.

David Geisler:

There's always that, like, side character, but in this case, it's reinterpreted as a sister and all of that. I I thought that was really quite fantastic. Does she I'm trying to remember the second half of the game. She

Kady Roberts:

She gets from She becomes a pirate for a little bit.

David Geisler:

That's right.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. My Tetra kind of which also I love Tetra. But yeah, Tetra kind of takes her under her wing a little bit. So Link can focus on kind of saving the world being like, I'll protect your sister. Don't even worry about it.

David Geisler:

I have Tetra on here as an honorable mention.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, okay. How do

David Geisler:

you feel about her as being like a child hero? I think

Kady Roberts:

it's I adore her.

David Geisler:

We can talk about her, but I think it's a stretch because like a lot of the Links could just be the child heroes. Yeah. I was gonna say. I was thinking like the I was trying to use my my rules were kind of, like, characters that were young enough to where they didn't have full capacity yet. They couldn't just you know, like, they were still under their wing of their parents a

Kady Roberts:

little bit.

David Geisler:

You know what I mean? I don't know. But but if you wanna talk about Tetra real quick Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

We can do Tetra

David Geisler:

a super, super young pirate.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. No. Tetra's fantastic. I think it's funny that she's in charge of everyone and all the pirates fawn over her when she's so little. I also really enjoy now that I've begun playing Phantom Hourglass that they don't refer to her as Zelda.

Kady Roberts:

They keep referring to her as Tetra. Yes. I really appreciated that because that was my one fear, was that they were just going to be like, okay, it's Zelda now. When Tetra has become her own standing person, one of the Zeldas with the most character, I would say.

David Geisler:

You have to help me. At the very end of Wind Waker, does does she does when Tetra is in her, let's say, Zelda form for the, obviously, final battle, she goes back to looking like Tetra. Yeah. Yeah. So she, like, acknowledges her ancient lineage or whatever, but then really does choose her back to normal lifestyle.

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Which I appreciate because I like her look a lot too of, like, the the, like, tan skin and like the yellowy hair and very brash and everything. I love that for her. I think she's such a good character.

David Geisler:

Yeah. A really cool way to interpret the kind of destiny. Like, she was destined to be the she is the next Zelda. But, like, what happened you know, it's interesting in Wind Waker. We're doing a of Wind Waker talk right now.

David Geisler:

But it's interesting in Wind Waker because a lot of times Link is a little bit of a reluctant hero in many Zelda games. He certainly starts that way in Wind Waker, and then he he rises to be a hero. That's just a good that's just a decent character arc for a video game for a main character. It it it it is an analog to Mhmm. You know, it it works with games.

David Geisler:

You're gonna level keep leveling up so you can use it as growth. But with Tetra, it's interesting since she wasn't a playable character. You can have a storyline where like, yeah, what happens when the next Zelda comes to be and for all intents and purposes doesn't really wanna be Zelda? Like, that's kinda cool.

Kady Roberts:

No. It's so cool. I love her so much for that. I I feel like it was one of the first times in Zelda games where they really were trying to do something new and unique with Zelda's character and kind of letting her be her own strong character until now, you know, we have gotten like Skyward Sword Zelda, which I would argue is kind of the same. But, for more intensive purposes like Breath of the Wild and Echoes of Wisdom Zelda, which are very much their own characters so much so in Echoes you play as her.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I accidentally closed my notes on my phone and I'm trying to find said notes. And could you No. No. Don't you do your next person while I try to open my stupid notes back up?

Kady Roberts:

My next one is also another big one and that is Reju from Breath of the Wild.

David Geisler:

Love it.

Kady Roberts:

I adored her. I was so shocked when I went I say shocked. I don't know. When I went into the Gerudo town, I didn't know what to expect because I had never played a Zelda game before. But when I went in, I saw Reju.

Kady Roberts:

I was like, you are much smaller than the other Gerudo around here, but you don't look like the little toddlers running around. So who are you? And then she reveals she's like 15. But she

David Geisler:

In Breath of the Wild, she's 15? I

Kady Roberts:

think so.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Maybe. I thought she was even a touch younger, maybe so.

Kady Roberts:

She might be younger.

David Geisler:

She's obviously a couple years older in tears.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I thought she was 17 or 18 in tears. I could be wrong.

David Geisler:

I could be.

Kady Roberts:

I think she was 15. I could

David Geisler:

be Love it.

Kady Roberts:

But anyway, a teenager.

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

And she's very open about her struggles but also she's able to be because she knows how strong she is. Because she you can find things just about her being like, yeah, my mom used to rule. My mom passed away at a very young age. I became the ruler. And I'm doing everything in my power to be the best ruler I can be, the best chief that she would want me to

David Geisler:

be. And

Kady Roberts:

it's clear that she does a phenomenal job because all the Garuda adore her. Everyone that knows about her says how great she is. And also she just shows how powerful and how strong she is, when you have to go against, Vonda Boris and with the sand seal.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, also that's a character who was given the throne for, you know, whatever. Not necessarily it's not that she didn't want it, but it like she had to like it or not, guess what?

David Geisler:

It's yours now. It was cool to see that she would it would appear, took it in, like, in a mature way.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. She learned to embrace it. And they really do lean into her youngness in Breath the Wild when she puts on Urbosa's helm. Yep. And it always like falls because it's it's too big for her.

David Geisler:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Which is then a kind of cute moment when you play in Tears of the Kingdom and it finally kind of fits. Yep. Which is very sweet and kind of going into tears with Kingdom where she's not really like a kid kid anymore, but I feel like I should mention it. Just how incredible she did with how rough things got and she opened like a school and made sure like the schools were still happening even though they were hidden underground. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

And they like she made sure that even though they had to be hidden away that they didn't lose any part of like what they need to be a society, which I thought was good.

David Geisler:

Wow. I have some notes about some kids in school in Tears of the Kingdom for a little bit later. But there's I just realized, yeah, there's actually a couple schools in Tears of the Kingdom. Mhmm. Interesting.

David Geisler:

A bit of a theme almost. Wow. Let me try let me do like a I'm gonna do a quick little

Kady Roberts:

Like a lightning round?

David Geisler:

Not a lightning round. Just one quick honorable mention and then we'll we can go to our break and come back. This one the reason I'm using this one is because you haven't played this game yet. Okay. But I have and I was doing my research a little bit.

David Geisler:

I couldn't remember what the character's name was. I But remember, like, oh, there was that little there was that kid. I had to research the character, and the character doesn't have a name. The character's name is simply referred to in all the database spaces I checked, including Zelda dungeon, bug catching kid.

Kady Roberts:

Wait. What game is that from?

David Geisler:

A Links not A Link to the Past. Aw. He's so cute. There's a part in Kakariko Village. There's a bit of a chain to it here.

David Geisler:

There's another character I'd like to talk about too, but this is where you get the this is how you get the a bug catching net in the Super Nintendo game. Mhmm. And I think it's the first time that a bug catching net of any kind appeared in any of the Zelda games. And so you walk into a building in Kakariko Village. It's a kid.

David Geisler:

He's he's fallen ill. Mhmm. It's heavily implied that he's ill from, like, the dark magic of all of the Ganondorf stuff or or actually really it's more Gerheim at that point, but not Gerheim. Oh my god.

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say.

David Geisler:

Who's the other secondary guy? Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I can't remember the secondary.

Kady Roberts:

I haven't played Link to the Past. I wouldn't know.

David Geisler:

Blanking on the main starts with an m? Well, I'll get it after me.

Kady Roberts:

Mirahim.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Mirahim. No. No. There's like a there's like a fake villain as there is so often is in Zelda games in the beginning.

David Geisler:

He's a sorcerer, and I just can't remember the name right now. Anyways, we're gonna keep moving forward. So it's heavily implied that he's sick from the dark magic, but says, here, will you go catch bugs for me? And gives you his net. And are you doing it right now?

David Geisler:

You you search Oh, yeah. Yeah. Problem. Yeah. I do like Sorcerer in A Link to the Past or something.

Kady Roberts:

Anim?

David Geisler:

Oh, Agonym. Agonym. Agonym. Yeah. My I was remembering the m.

David Geisler:

I think my dyslexia was kicking in full and seeing the n n m at the end and swapping it. But anyway, yeah, Agonym. So bug catching kid gives you his nets. You can go around and use it. And the cute thing is is when you beat the game at the and that's really all you see of bug catching kid.

David Geisler:

He's asleep. He wakes up. He talks. He doesn't really do much. It's really just get this net.

David Geisler:

If you talk to the right, you know, if you walk into a house and it feels like a real world, like, oh, cool. I got a thing. It's not something, it's not an item you get like in a dungeon. Mhmm. With all that said, when you beat the game, there's a kind of a montage of scrolling, you know, so you kind of go visit all your characters again.

David Geisler:

They kind of do it in Ocarina of Time as well. But in A Link to the Past, it's it's much more of a vignette. Like, act the camera actually travels to these areas and you see life afterwards. And of course, he's got his net holding straight up and he's feeling good. That's How did he break a village?

David Geisler:

So bug catching kid. Love Is one of the little guys in A Link to the Past. I think we'll go to break and come right back. Cool. And keep on talking.

David Geisler:

And we are back. Katie, I think I wanna waste no time at all and go into a classic. Well, actually, I gotta do it's this is almost an honorable mention because you haven't played Twilight Princess yet. I'm so I'm I don't I am not shaming you for not playing because we say it all the time in the show, like, we're waiting to do it proper Yeah. I think once we get through kind of our Phantom Hourglass, maybe it's the next mainline that we do.

David Geisler:

It'll take a it'll take a while. But there are two really fun kid there's there's actually a couple kids in the beginning, but I'd like to point out Mallow and Tallow in that game. And are you familiar with these characters at all? You laugh as if maybe

Kady Roberts:

you and Talon. I'm just laughing about that.

David Geisler:

I am embarrassed that I never put that connection together. Melo and Talon. Yeah. They're Tallow Tallow is they're they're I believe they're brothers in the game. I think so.

David Geisler:

There's a couple other kids that hang out. Basically, happens is it's kinda cute. Honestly, it's kinda cute. There's a the beginning of Twilight Princess has the longest much to my chagrin, has the longest, like, we're gonna hold your hand and train you how to do everything session in all of the Zelda games. It might even be an hour or too long.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. They they, like, work it in. There's, chapters to it. They kinda work in the story and it's like, now we're gonna teach you to do this and then a little bit of play and they're like, now we're gonna teach you how to do Well, the way they do it for for like learning how to use your slingshot and essentially your arrows and stuff is the next morning in the storyline, some kids go to Link's house and they wake them up and they're like, you're so cool. Show us how to do it.

David Geisler:

We want we're practicing with our slingshots. And so it's in the storyline, Mallow and Tala are there. There's one or two other kids. And obviously, just as a construct in the game, they're like, like, can you hit that target over there?

Kady Roberts:

And

David Geisler:

I've heard that if you push up on the control stick, it'll you know, that kind of thing. You know? But which actually kinda reminds me of the throwback to Link's Awakening where the kids are like, yeah. They say they say that you should push the b button, but how should I know? I'm just a kid.

Kady Roberts:

I love that. It's almost

David Geisler:

a throwback. Anyways, Melotallotallo ends up getting himself kidnapped early on, which leads you on your first the equivalent of what like the Deku Tree mission might be a little bit. Maybe not exactly, but I think functionally in the game, it's not a dungeon, but that's kind of how it works in the game. Tells a lot of fun, tells a little bit of a punk in the beginning, but he kind of comes around and starts clearly he's looking up to Link. But Mallow is the one that's even a little bit more interesting.

David Geisler:

Mallow is just basically an infant. Aesthetically looks like an infant. Aesthetically, you're like, how is this child even standing up? But Mallow lives in the world of side eye. Like, everything is a side eye.

David Geisler:

They even they even often cut to Mallow, like giving other characters side eye.

Kady Roberts:

That's so funny.

David Geisler:

Mallow lives in a different universe. Mallow is a genius because Mallow has comments on everything. And eventually, at a certain point in the game, for reasons, Mallow because I don't wanna spoil it. Mallow opens up a store.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, perfect.

David Geisler:

We almost say Mallow adopts a store. Mallow finds a broken down store and decides to to rebuild it. And, course, you can buy things from Mallow. And it's adorable because you got this little baby infant running a store, keeping track of inventory, keeping track of stocks, saying, what what would you like already? Buy something already, will you?

David Geisler:

And it's a little bit of a throwback to the Koroks in or the Kakiri in Ocarina of Time where they can like barely see over the counter and have to jump. Mallow's like real short at the counter and stuff like that. And so Mallow is a Mallow's a fan favorite, I think, because he's a little sassy. He doesn't break the fourth wall, but his inner dialogue often is complementing what's going on. You know what I mean?

David Geisler:

A lot of that stuff. And so I wanted to give Mallow and Tallow, I guess, a shout out. And we could discuss them more when we do our Twilight Princess episode.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I'll I'll go over to another set of siblings then.

David Geisler:

Okay.

Kady Roberts:

So Breath of the Wild, again, surprise surprise. There are two siblings in Kakariko Village, Cutler and Coco. And

David Geisler:

Yes. Wow. I forgot about them.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. I adore them. So Cutler, she, you know, play hide and seek with me. You run around, play hide and seek with her.

David Geisler:

You're already breaking my heart.

Kady Roberts:

She's so sweet. Coco, on the other hand, she wants to be a chef. She wants to help me learn how to cook. Yep. Super cute kids.

Kady Roberts:

But what really makes them stand out and specifically Coco stand out to me, their father, you do some quest lines with him, you learn about him. He used to be a part of like the Sheikah clan.

David Geisler:

Yes. We've mentioned this storyline in our Sheikah or our Yiga episode.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. But if you go into this back area in Kakariko Village, you can find kind of like a little graveyard.

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

And at night, can find Koko standing there. And if you talk to her, you find out that her mother has died. But more specifically, her father has been trying to keep it from her and Cutler and doesn't know that she knows. And Coco, if you talk to her, she's like, yeah, I'm sad but I have to stay strong for my sister and my dad. So just don't let them know that I know.

Kady Roberts:

Okay? Yep. Which is devastating.

David Geisler:

Yes. This is like one of the deepest well thought out story arcs in Breath of the Wild for me. It's like, this is real. If you get into it even more, that part that looks a bit like a cemetery, if you pay close attention, it's really a rock slide. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And it's because that's how the wife was, I guess, assassinated by the Yiga clan.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

And it was because the husband wouldn't go back to them and said, No, want to live an honest life. I'm not coming back to the Yiga. And so then they kill his wife, the little daughters that he now has to raise. I mean, is a lot. This is a lot.

David Geisler:

Yeah. And there's a lot of stories in Zelda that can they imply some real, like, really not I don't wanna say dark and like, just because something's dark doesn't make it cool, but when something's genuinely, emotionally balanced in some of these games, it's beautiful. Yeah. And so that storyline with the the sisters and Como or something is the dad. I can't remember the guy's name now.

David Geisler:

We've spoken about him many times on the show. I love when Zelda's at its best with these kind of side character storylines is when you get little hints and if you talk to enough people, you can put the whole story together. Yeah. And so no one's like running around like, Oh, the day my wife was murdered, blah, blah, know what I mean? But it's tragic.

David Geisler:

It's terrible. It's so sad and it's so real. And then the daughter trying to stay strong. It reminds me of some of the things that happened in Majora's Mask where characters understand that the world is ending and what they're gonna do. They either talk acknowledge it.

David Geisler:

There's a there's a child.

Kady Roberts:

Wanna talk about a kid?

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, I guess I was gonna do the Malon analog in Majora's Mask, she's not in my list. But if we're gonna stay in the line, I guess if cutting deep here, I don't wanna pull away from the two kids in Breath of the Wilderness.

Kady Roberts:

That's kind of all I had. That's yeah.

David Geisler:

Got it. Got it. Got it. I don't you you've played through Majora's Mask. We just haven't done a review episode on it.

David Geisler:

Is that what's going on? You haven't played through it. You just started playing it. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Cool.

Kady Roberts:

But it's okay.

David Geisler:

Have you gone have you spoken with Malin? And I think Anju is actually like her mom and because remember all the characters are different characters.

Kady Roberts:

I've done very little in Majora's Mask. So I kind of immediately just jumped into Phantom Hourglass instead.

David Geisler:

Some of the characters in Majora's Mask are, again, if you read between the lines, dealing with like how do you process the end of the world when you know the end of the world is coming. And for many of the characters, the end of the world is in three days. Yeah. And on the night of the final day, the Maren analog, who I can't remember her name in Majora's Mask, we all know these are some mature themes right now. I know we have a lot of young kids that listen to this show and we have a lot of old people that listen to this and everything in between.

David Geisler:

And so I hesitate to talk about some of this casually, but, you know, with respect to these storylines, it's just absolutely amazing. The mother character gives her daughter on the final day, gives her daughter the special Lanlon ranch milk, which we all know that that's an an analog for light inebriation in the Zelda games. Mhmm. I'm gonna word it that way. And just lets her and just, like, sings her to sleep as she goes to bed on the last night.

David Geisler:

And you walk in and witness that.

Kady Roberts:

That's so sad.

David Geisler:

In Majora's Mask. And then you talk to the mom and she's like this is how you know, this is how we're gonna do

Kady Roberts:

it. Reminds me of, know, what they would do back when like castles got raided. Back in the ye old days.

David Geisler:

Would they like would the families get together in bed or something?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. And just kind of like, this is this Here is

David Geisler:

it is.

Kady Roberts:

Poof. Yeah. No. That's I that's why I love Zelda so much though. It's like there's so much it feels like every game I haven't played has a completely different tone and story to it.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Because you have Majora's Mask that gets so dark at times versus like, I don't know, Link's Awakening where it's like, oh, you're in a dream and it's happy

David Geisler:

and it's difficult. Yeah. I was in a dream and here's Yoshi.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Like, it's so it's so interesting to me.

David Geisler:

I think that that's one of my, again, you know, favorite things about Zelda games Mhmm. Is that you can have a game experience that's light and cheery, and you can have a couple themes that are really heartfelt and and even, you know, tragically beautiful, like our characters in Breath of the Wild. Let's use Breath of the Wild as an example. You can have this, like like, that storyline with that dad and his two daughters could be a whole book unto itself. Right?

David Geisler:

Yeah. It could be a whole movie unto itself. There's a whole story there. And then also we're living in a world where there's flying bird people. Yeah.

David Geisler:

You know, it's like there's such a spectrum and I think that's fantastic. So anyway, yes, it is. It is. That is a really heartfelt story. Those two girls.

David Geisler:

Wait a second. Do we see them in tears? Have they grown up a little?

Kady Roberts:

I think so.

David Geisler:

There's other kids I wanna talk about that have do grow up in tears, but I don't specifically recall bumping into them in Kakariko Village in tears yet.

Kady Roberts:

I think they

David Geisler:

do. I'm sure

Kady Roberts:

they are. But I can't quite remember. It's been a long time.

David Geisler:

We'll look into that later. I've actually been hanging out in Hano Village a lot or Hano Village a lot in tears lately, hanging out at the school mostly. But and so I organically have some kids to talk about there. But if we're going to stay in line with slightly not dark, but slightly deeper storylines, I'm going to do one other kid character from A Link to the Past. It's my other kid character.

David Geisler:

My phone went to sleep on me. There we go. Let me go up to my notes. I think I put these up towards the top. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. You know, this was in a world where this was in a time in video games, his early nineties, where maybe not every character did have a name. Yeah. And so I would like to talk about Flute Boy.

Kady Roberts:

Ugh. We all know him. We all know we all love him.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Well, actually, Flute Boy is pretty interesting, and I think Flute Boy set us a template for how a lot of other characters are realized in other Zelda games later on. Mhmm. But Flute Boy is actually I remembered this character, but then couldn't remember. I actually was like, what was his name?

David Geisler:

And I went into some of the databases, couldn't find it. So I did put some notes down here. But originally, you if you go to Kakarigo Village, Flute Boy's dad works at I don't know if it's the inn or the the milk bar. You know, they weren't called milk bars yet, whatever. Maybe it's called taverns back then.

David Geisler:

And he says, my son left town and he hasn't come back. He left town to learn about the world, learn special things, maybe learn how to play the instrument. Can't quite remember. But he's never come back. And so as you travel around the world in A Link to the Past, there's a little cove, a little bit like, I think this is kind of like I almost said the Majora's Mask dude.

David Geisler:

What what are their names actually? The kids. Skull Kids. A little bit like the Skull Kid in Ocarina of Time, how they disappear into the woods, you know, when you get close to them. You see a, like, I'll say a transparent ish, ghostly spirit inside the woods, and when you get close, he vanishes away.

David Geisler:

And you learn later that it's the ghost of this kid and the kid has perished in one way or another. And then what happens is you go into this dark world in that game and later on you go back and the ghost is actually like this really spooky. I think I grabbed an image. No, maybe I didn't. Of the oh, I don't have an image of that, but I have the there's there's little net net boy right there with his net up.

Kady Roberts:

Aw.

David Geisler:

Isn't that cute?

Kady Roberts:

That's cute.

David Geisler:

So anyway, you go in and in that world everything is switched and you find this like weird kind of like gremlin looking character, like a little long nose or whatever. Not gremlin, like mean. And he he basically says, I've learned, you I've learned to play the flute, but I couldn't play on the flute. I threw it, you know, I hit it. So you go find it.

David Geisler:

Fine. Fine. That's how you get the flute. And and there was also flutes were in the original Zelda game. So I think when you're if you're playing this in the nineties in game release order, you're like, okay, cool flute.

David Geisler:

I'm not sure what that's going do for me. The flute does certain things in the original game. But you hang on to it for a while. If you go back into the normal world and you go back to the tavern, the dad says, oh, that's my son's flute, basically. I'm kind of doing the quick version here.

David Geisler:

And you kind of learn to play the flute in front of the wind chime thing. There's like a rooster, a little bit like in Link's Awakening because Link's Awakening came out after A Link to the Past. And if you play it, that rooster breaks open and there's a bird that comes out and then the flute ends up being that's like your fast travel. Oh, and I think they call it a flute, but I remember it looking more like an ocarina though. Think it's literally like a blue ocarina.

David Geisler:

Anyways, I digress. The the kid, if you go back and play the flute for the kid, how was it? Wait, let me check my notes here. Flute to the flute boy. When Link does yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Okay. In the game's ending, the flute boy is shown back to normal, reunited with his father, and joyfully playing for the animals once more. But he actually has a part in the middle where you do play the flute in the dark world and he turns into stone and he says, my my time is done. There's a lot going on here.

David Geisler:

But Flute Boy, you know, when all his return to the end out is is living healthily and well with his dad and has learned the flute.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I could be wrong, but I think I remember in Ocarina, they changed the lore of the school kids where it was if a kid came and passed away or got lost in the forest, they turned into a Skull Kid. I think that's how it was.

David Geisler:

If a kid did? Yeah. They would turn into a Skull Kid? That's kind of cool. That could be true.

David Geisler:

I think adults just turn into stone or something

Kady Roberts:

or trees like that. Adults just turn into trees.

David Geisler:

I always thought they turned into trees, but I could be wrong because we've had some listener feedback saying, no. No. You got it all wrong. There was one guy actually who was really helpful and, like, set us straight on our Ocarina lore, but maybe I'll have to find that in

Kady Roberts:

our I'll have to go back and re re read about it, but I think that's what it was. But anyway.

David Geisler:

Well, okay. So, yeah. So, Link, when he plays it in the, when Link plays the flute, upon hearing it, he turns to stone and disappears from the light world symbolizing his death, and then he comes back at the end of the game. Yeah. That's a lot.

David Geisler:

Alright. There it is. Flute Boy.

Kady Roberts:

A little bit

David Geisler:

Oh, one last thing. Yeah. In A Link Between Worlds, Flute Boy has a cameo where he'll play you can find him in Kakariko Village and he'll play music for you for 10 rupees.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, cute. Mhmm. Look at him becoming a little entrepreneur.

David Geisler:

Which I had to actually find it in my research because I have not come across Flute Boy yet in A Link Between Worlds, or maybe I haven't didn't realize it.

Kady Roberts:

I am doing a small little mention. Mhmm. And it is Kukiyo in Skyward Sword. So Yeah. Kukiyo is this kid that at the very beginning of the game, you run into her mom and she's like, oh my god, my kid's missing.

Kady Roberts:

Help me. So you run around and talk to people. And then you find out at night you can move a specific kind of like grave

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

And go down into the island and go into this back room and you find you hear her screaming, I believe.

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

You run-in there, you find a demon. And the demon is with Ku Kluell. And so you have to draw your sword and you run up to it about to slay this demon. And Kukiyo is like, stop everything. Stop.

Kady Roberts:

I'm fine. And you find out that she just happened to make friends with this little sad demon that's down there. And they they do say like, yeah, he he's like just this random demon character, but he likes humans and he's super chill and friendly. But he gets lonely because everyone's scared of him.

David Geisler:

Everyone's scared of him.

Kady Roberts:

And He's a so one day, Kukio came down and found like this little pathway down there and that's that's her bestie now.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. And I think they were having like a screaming contest or

Kady Roberts:

something. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Having a

Kady Roberts:

screaming contest to see who could scream the loudest. So, yeah, I just wanted to make a small mention of her because I think that happens a lot in real life too with younger kids. They'll like come across someone like like a clown or like someone that's like really punk and has like all like the piercings and like motorbike and they'll just be like, you're cool. We're best friends now. Because there's just that child child innocence there.

Kady Roberts:

It's just I don't know. It's cute. I love it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. I would like to let's do a I was going between two. I don't want to well, I've got Ravio in here, and I felt like that was a little bit of an honorable mention. Speaking about Ravio is almost like speaking about Tetra and Link.

David Geisler:

Ravio is a salesman with a pink bunny hat. Have you ever seen the pink bunny hat in Breath of the Wild that people run around in? And I don't think you've played A Link Between Worlds yet. Ravio is a salesman who rents you items in Oh. A Link Between Worlds.

David Geisler:

You learn that Ravio is more than that, and I don't wanna give it away right now for you for when we play A Link Between Worlds. But you find that Ravio you find out that Ravio is a more than what he appears to be, in a good way, in a fun way

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

In A Link Between Worlds. And that character is also kind of

Kady Roberts:

Two kids

David Geisler:

in trench coat. What's that? Two kids in a trench We have two goblins in a trench coat in our D and D campaign right Classic. Classic two goblins in a trench coat.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah.

David Geisler:

Well, now you just got me thinking about D and D. But yeah. Ravio is kind of a kid, maybe the same way Tetra is, I would say. Mhmm. That was just a quick filler one.

David Geisler:

I actually was gonna use it as my honorable mention. I would like to talk a little bit about I kinda wanna go back to Skull Kid a little. Yeah. I would consider all Skull Kid Skull Kid and Skull Kids to be to be children. Yeah.

David Geisler:

I think they're canonically children. As you were saying, maybe kids turn into the Skull Kids. Skull Kid appears in three Zelda games. A lot of people think it's just Ocarina of Time and then, of course, in Majora's Mask is is kind of the main villain. But the Skull Kids do appear in Twilight Princess as well.

David Geisler:

In a part part in the middle of the game. And they are spooky dooky. It's true. It's true. And so I think that's all I want say.

David Geisler:

Skull Kids in general, Skull Kid, I guess we'll refer to Skull Kid as a singular right now, is a little misunderstood, mischievous, but actually does want to make friends, wants to be friends with people, but doesn't exactly know how to do it. Kind of like the kid that doesn't quite that, you know, I can imagine the kid in school who doesn't quite have the same sense of humor as maybe the kids he's trying to be friends with. Yeah. And can't can't quite find those social social cues or something like that. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

And so I feel for Skull Kid in those ways.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I have a little honor honorable mention and that's just Ivan of the Killer Bees from Wind Waker. Sure. Yeah. Just, you know, lead gang member.

Kady Roberts:

Made a gang at probably like five years old. He's running the town. But I do like that they do clearly care for their teacher even though they give her a hard time because after, you you play hide and seek with them, come back, talk to the teacher, come back out. They're like, yeah, birthday's coming up soon. Make sure to tell her that we're sorry.

Kady Roberts:

We gotta figure out what we're gonna get her. We know she likes jewelry, so we're gonna have to figure that out. But I don't know, just quick honorable mention. I think they're cute.

David Geisler:

I think they are too. I think from a game mechanic, they're like the spiritual successor to the kids in Majora's Mask in the beginning in some ways, whatever that bandit clan is. Remember that? Those first

Kady Roberts:

five. Exactly.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I actually don't have them on my list at all. I probably should have put them in there. I think we should do we should we should we should go with a high hitter right now. Okay.

David Geisler:

I think we need to talk about Saria.

Kady Roberts:

Yep. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Let's do it.

Kady Roberts:

I what do you say about Saria? She's such a unique character

David Geisler:

Sure.

Kady Roberts:

In Ocarina because all of the Kokiri are so so childish and not in like a bad way. Like they're they're kids. They're forever kids. They're Neverland children.

David Geisler:

Right. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

So you know, there's a lot of them bickering. There's a lot of them like jumping around. There's a lot of them playing. And then there's Saria and she's kind of always kind of off doing her own thing. She's she speaks very like

David Geisler:

I

Kady Roberts:

can't think of the word.

David Geisler:

If I may, she has a wise beyond her years Yeah. Style. But she doesn't speak pretentiously.

Kady Roberts:

No. She's not pretentious. Just she doesn't speak like the other ones. Yeah. And even like the way she looks is different.

Kady Roberts:

She has green hair instead of the the blonde and all that. And then, you know, you also find out she's the sage. But Yeah. I feel like and this is me kind of projecting my own headcanons now. But in my mind, based on all of this, I feel like she's probably the oldest Kokiri.

David Geisler:

I love that. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

We're just kind

David Geisler:

of imagining, but I love that.

Kady Roberts:

It's just because she does seem like she's been there longer. And the way she speaks is different. The way she looks is a little different. And also, knows a bit more about the world. Like, she tells Link, like, if you leave, this is what's going to happen.

Kady Roberts:

And Yeah. That's fine. But when you come back, you're gonna be different and like that kind of stuff.

David Geisler:

And I think I think she's never left, I think.

Kady Roberts:

Mm-mm. Yeah. Yeah. Unless you count like the little ending. The little

David Geisler:

ending. Yeah. The first time anyway.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I feel like I always

David Geisler:

feel like those

Kady Roberts:

are the out like the outtakes. Outtakes. Yeah. Like, you know, back in like like the old days when Disney and Toy Story and stuff would do like that acting as the characters. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Oh, that was a classic. I I would look forward to those. The the I think she might be a spirit at the end of the game. So maybe she's not technically leaving the Yeah. But anyways, anyways.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Saria. Yeah. Fantastic.

David Geisler:

Great character. Wiseman under years becomes the Sage of Time. I wonder if there's a way I almost kinda wanna read up on her now that if I love this idea that she could be one of the first or one of the oldest. She's the matriarch even though they're all seven years old

Kady Roberts:

or whatever.

David Geisler:

Or, you know, have that appearance. Yeah. That's great. Well, let's stay with Ocarina of Time. We gotta do Rudo then.

David Geisler:

Rudo the Zora.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Oh my gosh.

David Geisler:

The the the lovable bratty princess.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. Oh, I despised her when I first played. Yeah. But they they want you to, and that's why I think she's such a greatly written character.

David Geisler:

I think she's pure of heart, but I think she is kinda spoiled because she's a princess, and that's kinda where it comes from.

Kady Roberts:

No. It's great. She's this character that, you know, it's very clear that she's daddy's little princess. Mhmm. And she's been kind of given everything.

Kady Roberts:

So you come and rescue her and she's like, well, you have to carry me because you're here to save me and you're doing what I want you to do and And then also it's like girl, like, I'm gonna set you on this button. Why aren't you just staying on that button? But I adore her. I think also it's very cool when you come back and see her when she's older. Because she still kinda has a little bit of that spoiled princess vibe.

Kady Roberts:

But she's also clearly kind of grown. And she's she's done a lot of reflecting. She still is in love with Link, which I think is very funny. She's like, you're my you're my fiance and now you don't get a say. Like, sorry.

Kady Roberts:

I love her. I think she's great. How do you feel about her?

David Geisler:

Yeah. I think I think that's fine. I've I've often I remember the first time playing Ocarina of Time, her sassiness, I was kind of like, you know, honestly, I kinda think child Link it's it's interesting because the she's she's a little bit forward, but she's also sassy, and I think Link kind of responds correctly to it.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

And it and me as a I guess I was a teenager when Ocarina of Time came out, so was older than the character. But, you know, if you're thinking like a lot of kids are playing this game, the emotional reaction that Link has to Rito in the beginning or Rudo. No. Not Rudo. Yes.

David Geisler:

Rudo. I was thinking Mipha. Reaction to Rudo in the in the beginning, I think is appropriate. He's kind of like, oh, trying to just get away. Like, know, kind of like the cooties thing almost.

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say it reminds me of I can't think of what her name is, but the the girl that's in love with Chowder in the the show Chowder.

David Geisler:

There's a show called Chowder?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, dude. Okay. Yes. There's an old Cartoon Network show called Chowder in the early two thousands.

David Geisler:

Cool.

Kady Roberts:

Back when they gave us the world of weird animation on Cartoon Network. Okay. But there is this girl, she was this rabbit and she was in love with the kid Chowder and they were both children. And she would be like the, hold my hand now.

David Geisler:

Oh. And she

Kady Roberts:

and Chowder would be like, you'd be lucky if I even have one kid with you when we're older, like that kind of thing. And it really gave me that vibe. The two of them just, like, her in love with him and being like, you gotta do this now. And he's like, listen, lady. You'd be lucky if I did anything

David Geisler:

for you. I see. I see. I think, you know, once Link comes goes back to Rudo did I say Rudo earlier? Rudo?

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh. All so many of these words sound so similar. When when she is like, well, know, we're engaged. It's been seven years. It's about time you show up.

David Geisler:

You know, he's a little bit more of a blank canvas as the older Link. I know. Because you are projecting more as a player. I think he's just kinda like, this is awkward. I'll just I kinda take care of this as we

Kady Roberts:

didn't think you were serious about that one. It's like, are you joking right now?

David Geisler:

You might actually be. Do you have any other kind of I've got like a fun micro deep dive on 4Kids in Breath of the Wild. But do have anything that you'd like to bring up first?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. My only other big one is just Malon in general. I was specifically gonna do Ocarina of Time. Mhmm. But I don't know.

Kady Roberts:

I like Malon as a character. I also like Marin in Mhmm. Link's Awakening. Just that youthful, sweet

David Geisler:

Don't you mean Marine and Malone? I'm just joking. Yeah. Stupid joke. Stupid joke.

Kady Roberts:

But just, yeah, that that youthful, sweet, kind of like flower picking, kind of in her own world, but in like a not like other girls kind of way. Mhmm. I just, I think that's cute.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I like it very much. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Okay. Right. Yeah. I was gonna I was gonna kinda go into, like I I don't you know, it's fun to kinda ship people. It's kinda fun to, like, imagine.

David Geisler:

And but also I like the idea that people don't have to always be connected to another person. It doesn't always have to be a relationship. But I do feel that if Link left Kokiri Forest and didn't have to save the world, or maybe still, maybe even after, I feel like Link settled down with Malon.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I feel like that's a huge belief throughout. Because isn't there a game where you learn from is it Twilight Princess where you learn from like an old hero?

David Geisler:

We had that listener feedback

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

A few episodes ago where there's a yeah. If if Link and Malon stayed together, then Link maintained the Epona song, which is the song that you use in Twilight Princess and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

There's kind of a fun little think you connect the dots there. But I even just think like in vibes. You know what I mean? Yeah. They would be together anyways.

David Geisler:

I would like to talk about four kids Mhmm. In Breath of the Wild slash Tears of the Kingdom. Yeah. And this one happened organically. I was actually since we picked this topic and I was putting my notes together, I was I was poking I've been I'm forcing myself to kinda go back into tears.

David Geisler:

I still have not beaten the the Goron Temple.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

I am having an adverse reaction to the Goron Temple. I am not enjoying it, and I love to love things, and I love to celebrate these things. But as much as I love puzzle box dungeons, there's just something about the Goron Dungeon in Tears of the Kingdom. And I love that it's a real dungeon, blah blah blah blah blah. It's kind of usually my type of thing where, oh, these switches change the way the water flows are changed, the way the tracks work.

David Geisler:

I love that kind of stuff. I think I just need to be in the right headspace a different day. I think my main critique on the Goron Dungeon down in the depths in Tears of the Kingdom is that I'm sorry to say that so much of it looks similar. Sometimes I'm kind of like, wait, which rocky outcrove am I in right now? And if there was maybe a little bit more production design of like, oh, at least this area is blue or this area is green or this area has some architecture or something I could keep track a little bit more.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

But it's okay. Anyways, I've warped myself out of there and I've just been running around out on the town and I went over to, you know, Tarrytown and I built a couple buildings because you told me that was a I new thing to Tarrytown. That was fun. I did a few there with Bolson and then I found my way back to Hateno or Hateno and I was just doing some, I was swapping out my glider and stuff like that, but I was kind of talking to the kids and everything and I ended up, it was raining one day and a little girl was running by and I just thought to talk to her and she was like, Gotta get to class, it's almost late. So I followed and of course I'd been to the school before.

David Geisler:

We talked about this in our first impressions episode. But I've, you know, I kind of poked around, talked to the teacher a few times, saw that, okay, there's going to be some quests assigned here and moved on because that was my one thing when I first started playing Tears of the Kingdom. I was there was so much to do that I kinda didn't focus anywhere. Like, I went to Kekuriko Village, talked to two people, then it was like, well, what's going on over here? And then I ran over there to see what's going on over there.

David Geisler:

Yeah. And I didn't really sink in anywhere. And so now as I'm playing, I'm really like going like, well, how about you actually spend some time in Kakariko? How about you actually spend some time in Lurelin? You know what I mean?

David Geisler:

And so I think I missed a lot of characters. So this was a situation where I completely missed these kid characters. And the other day I was in there and I had gotten taken took the picture of the calamity and I love that the school in Hetteno Village is a great way of retelling Breath of the Wild, the time it is history and the kids don't believe it. And then one of them's like, well, do you have any evidence? If you don't have evidence, I won't believe it.

David Geisler:

And I love it. That's like, know, there's people in our world that are like that. And the three the four kids, I ended up taking screenshots, but then I just also just searched them real quick. It's Aster, Azu, Karen, and Sephiro. I was really enjoying all four of them during the lectures, and they all had different personalities and none of them wanted to learn and then slowly each one literally stands up as they get excited about the lecture.

David Geisler:

And of course there's more side quests to do and all of that. And it was great. And I was like, this is really nice. I love having these kids because actually one of the things that was really special, one of the things that I love about Tears of the Kingdom is when it feels like it's a living world. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And I was following one girl and then sure enough, just 10 feet behind, another kid came from another area running to get to school and they were all running. That's the coolest thing about systemic games is like they're all doing their path to get to school. But because it was raining, there was an extra layer on the animation where they were running. And I just felt like I was like in a living world. It was like, these kids are going past me to get to school.

David Geisler:

Of course, I got to go join. And that was a lot of fun. So then what I did was I was thinking about it and I seriously, phone just turned off. There we go. I then was like, well, wait a second.

David Geisler:

These kids must have been in Breath of the Wild if a lot of these, know, my, you know, there's, there's, there's my favorite thing about Tears of the Kingdom. One of my favorite things about Tears of the Kingdom is that it is a sequel. And so often we don't actually I don't think ever, even in proper sequels, Majora's Master Ocarina, Spirit Tracks to Phantom Hourglass, you very rarely get the characters four years later. And you get that with almost everybody in tears of the kingdom. And I love that.

David Geisler:

I really do. I know there's other critiques that it's a little bit rinse repeat where it's like, oh, we're just in the same world. But when it comes down to watching these characters grow and what's happened to them over the last four years, that is one of my favorite parts about tears of the kingdom. So I went into Breath of the Wild or not Breath of Wild. Went into maybe it was Zelda dungeon or somewhere else.

David Geisler:

And I looked into it and I literally said, who are these four characters? And okay, Aster, Azu, Karen and Sephiro. Aster is the character. She can be found walking around Hatno Village. She's known for demonstrating a peculiar dance and her fascination with the blue flame.

David Geisler:

And so she talks about Bolson's funny dance. Oh,

Kady Roberts:

I do. I remember her for the blue flame part.

David Geisler:

Yes. I actually have a would I'm leading up to speaking about the blue flame here, I'll bring it up in a second. So also then Azu Azu and there's two of them that are boys that work together. He's a Hillian who along with Sephiroh. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They hear about this Sheikah girl that's up on the up on the mountain. Oh, it's kind of a bait and switch because you've been told to go see a Sheikah woman in this area.

David Geisler:

And these characters, these kids are like, oh, there's a girl. There's a Sheikah girl that we've been seeing. Yeah. Of course, we know it's gonna go on there. But in Breath of the Wild, they're kind of running around town.

David Geisler:

It's a little bit of a, you know, living world kind of thing. And then of course we also have Karen who she's another Healing child and claims to have seen the Sheikah girl also by the tech lab and is frustrated that no one believes her. Okay, fine. So I've had a nice that was before the school existed. This is Breath of the Wild.

David Geisler:

These four kids are running around making the world feel alive. Two of them live in one of the houses, you know, all the stuff. Obviously they're running around to, from a game mechanic point of view, point you towards the Sheikah house and point you towards the blue flame because remember you can't get in the Sheikah house until you bring the blue flame over. So I had this cool. So it was, first of all, it was just fun to have these kids.

David Geisler:

It was the it was one of the first times in a Zelda game where I kind of enjoyed all these little spitfires running around the town running past me. I could talk to them. They were doing other things. It was like a really well kind of like, you know, the opposite of bug net kid, which is like, oh, I'm a sick in bed and here's my net, which is also cool and special, but like actually kind of living with these kids. And all of that is to say, as I was doing my blue flame quest, I don't know how you did it or where you came from and maybe you could share with me.

David Geisler:

But for me, I ended up coming back up through the middle of Hatno, running up the main street to go up the the squiggly road up to the windmill or whatever. Did this happen for you? I was running with that blue frame, lighting the little lanterns. Mhmm. And as I ran, like, one kid started running with me and one other kid started running with me and I kept going.

David Geisler:

And by the time I was halfway through the village, I had four kids just running along next to me, like supporting me, just like part of the systemic programming of this game. You know what I mean? Yeah. And they it was so cool. I was like, wow.

David Geisler:

They're like, they are excited about the blue flame. This isn't this is not an animation. This is not a cut scene. I mean, it's an animation, but it's not a cut scene. It's not like a prescripted thing.

David Geisler:

They're probably the only thing that was scripted is that they pay attention to you if you go by with the blue flame or something like that. Yeah. And just organically, it was like all the children of the town were supporting me. It was it was one of my first moments in Breath of the Wild is seven years ago where I like really had a magic moment in the game. Yeah.

David Geisler:

You know what I mean? And so I really want when I found out that the four kids in the school that I was enjoying all of them anyway just last week in Tears of the Kingdom Mhmm. When I realized that they were the four kids running with me, you know, four years ago with the blue flames. Oh, it made it so much more special. And so that I wanna talk about those four

Kady Roberts:

That's so cute. I I don't remember that part. So I can't tell you if it happened or not for me,

David Geisler:

but Well, I suppose you can bring the blue flame from a lot of different areas. You know what I mean? Yeah. I ended up just taking this path that kinda went up through the village and they all just kinda latched on and they were following with me. It was so cool.

Kady Roberts:

See, think I did it at night, so they might have been asleep.

David Geisler:

They might have been asleep. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

But, man, I love that. I love that game so much.

David Geisler:

I think I'm almost out. Do you have any others? Oh, I might have an honorable

Kady Roberts:

I I'm out.

David Geisler:

We did Errol. Oh, well, actually, this is a perfect segue. I have one honorable mention here, Para. Oh. Which of course is the kid up in the windmill.

David Geisler:

I feel like it's honorable mention because she's not really a kid. Yeah. She's turned herself into a kid. And so that's something. And then of course, Into the Kingdom, she's not a kid anymore.

David Geisler:

Alright, we did Skull Kid. How do you feel about the Koroks as kids? I think, I kind of don't know because I feel like they're like thousands of years old. I was

Kady Roberts:

gonna say, that's why I didn't put them because I was like, they're not really they kind of are, but they're not. Otherwise, I would have put Makar for sure. But, yeah, I kind of left them out.

David Geisler:

I have another note note here. I don't know where I got this from, but Mallow might canonically be the youngest child in any Zelda game, essentially.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, nice.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Because like I said, he basically looks like an infant who just learned how to walk. Alright. I'm going through. Prince Kamali.

David Geisler:

We kinda talked about Prince Kamali a little bit already. Uh-huh. You know, obviously we talked about his Din's Pearl kind of story

Kady Roberts:

arc when

David Geisler:

he gets a little stronger.

Kady Roberts:

Finally gets his wings.

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. That's right. Oh. Oh, shoot. I must have deleted part of this.

David Geisler:

I've got a note about a character named Zil. I think I deleted it. I was take I was making some of these notes on the train on my iPad as I was coming in, actually this morning, some of them, and Zuma's a character that was in a couple games or something. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry.

David Geisler:

The only other honorable mention is I have Mazu who is Prince Sidon's kind of right hand right hand man as a little child Oh. In the early some of the early quests in Breath of the Wild. He's the one that's like, you know, looks up to Psydon and all of that. And then there's also Paige is a young girl in Breath of the Wild who is connected to some of the Shrine Of Resurrection side quests that happen.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah.

David Geisler:

And see what else. She assists her grandmother with various tasks. And I think that might be everything I have.

Kady Roberts:

Alright.

David Geisler:

The little ones.

Kady Roberts:

Little little children.

David Geisler:

Little little children of all the Zelda games. I think I think it's I think that's an absolute blast. Yeah. Maybe that's it. I mean, oh my gosh.

David Geisler:

That half was forty minutes? We gotta get out of here. Yeah. Holy moly. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Well, this is actually a longer episode than I expected.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I think I'm I'm happy. I'm happy we did this episode. I think that there's so many cool NPC characters and I feel like the children get overlooked a lot. But we're here.

Kady Roberts:

We did it. Yippee.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Absolutely. Alright. Cool. Well, Katie, let's get I I thought we were still at, thirty minutes.

David Geisler:

I just looked over at the clock. Let's let's do our outro. Sorry. I'm I'm so thrown off. Where where people find you and all that stuff?

Kady Roberts:

You can find me over on Instagram and TikTok at the letters k d stargazer. And also, I am on Rock 955 here in Chicago on the weekends. So I I you can check me out.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That's cool. Maybe we can tweet out a link sometime if you're for the streaming portion or something when you're going. I think that could be fun. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Cool. I'm raptor paint on all the things. And raptor paint, no no underscores or anything like that. You can find the show Another Zelda pod on, x and Another Zelda podcast everywhere else, blue sky and Instagram and all that. We've been having a lot of fun.

David Geisler:

We've been doing a lot more short form content as I think it's a mystery to no one, but I just would like to give a shout out on our TikTok page, our Instagram, and our YouTube. We're putting out shorts. We take clips from our episodes here from the camera where our magical sword people can watch us do the entire episode. We take little clips and share them out on social, and that's been a lot of fun to produce. And, you can go to our website podcast.com to check out all of our episodes and also read some of the blog posts that we've put there.

David Geisler:

I think that's it. Alright, Katie. I'll see you in two weeks where we're doing another, almost a little bit by request, but also we we always wanna do these Mhmm. Music episode.

Kady Roberts:

I'm so excited.

David Geisler:

It's gonna be a part two, music of Breath of the Wild part two.

Kady Roberts:

And we're doing character themes.

David Geisler:

Love it. Love it. Well, we'll see you all in two weeks for that. And until then, Okay. Bye.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Bye.