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The Space Between – Heaven on Earth is a companion podcast to Awakening – Heaven on Earth.
Through intimate, heart-centered conversations, this series explores the lived experience of awakening — the questions, integrations, paradoxes, and sacred pauses where transformation truly occurs.
This is the space between knowing and becoming…
where Heaven meets Earth through honest dialogue.
Welcome to the space between heaven on earth. This is a companion podcast to awakening heaven on earth created as a space for reflection, conversation, and lived experience. Here, we enter the pause between knowing and becoming, between insight and embodiment, between heaven and earth. These conversations are not about answers or conclusions. They are about presence, about listening, about reasoning together, about meeting one another honestly in the unfolding journey of awakening.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm your host, Jeffrey Aylor. Again, welcome and thank you for entering The Space Between with us. Welcome to this episode of the Space Between. 30 episodes ago, we began asking just one simple question, and that is what if separation is not the deepest truth? And since then we've laughed, we've reflected, we have chatted and even disagreed lightly, not a lot, and learned a lot from each other, and hopefully this group has grown together, which to me is the essence of really what we're here to do.
Jeffrey Aylor:We're here to learn. We're here to share and here to grow in community with one another, and I hope that those of you that have been listening to the podcast have shared in that growth and that learning, and as you get to know us that have been involved in these conversations and have absorbed, you know, some of the topics, I hope that this has has caused us to stop and just think and feel. So today this isn't really just about ending season one because season one of Unity is now wrapping up. We're gonna be transitioning into our season two, which is going to be love and more than just love. It's unconditional love that we're gonna touch on and focus on throughout that season.
Jeffrey Aylor:You know, it's a celebration of this whole journey. It's been a wonderful journey to me, and and I hope again you've enjoyed it. And it's this is also an invitation to our next our next journey, next part of the journey. So I want to welcome Pornadavy with us this morning and my son Joel and Joe Dermody. Great to have us back together.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's been a few weeks since we've had an opportunity to sit down and and have a conversation like this, and I know I've missed missed it. Yeah. This is where I think you realize how important that community really is, and how much you you really do care as you build that relationship about each other, and gosh, in a short period of time, we've been through a lot, haven't we, all together? So looking back, I'm going to ask just one question here of everybody. When you think back over this season and your involvement with us in this conversation, any specific conversations that specifically come to your mind?
Purna Devi:Well, I think, you know, I came on really what halfway or three quarters of the way through the program. And I think just being invited to bring my thoughts and my heart to the table with you all was really exciting for me. I absolutely adore this group. You all have been just like brothers from another mother to me. So a few things stick out.
Purna Devi:One that I think will always just stay with my heart was when no one could show up. It was just Jeff and I, and it happened to be on mother's day and it was the topic of the divine feminine and masculine. That was just a really special, I think, serendipitous conversation. Not that I don't love having Joel's opinion and Joe's opinion and Sherry's opinion in the conversation. I love hearing from everyone, but that was just a really special moment, I think.
Purna Devi:And then for me personally, I had a really difficult few weeks and we've touched upon it, you know, really kinda generally in some of the podcasts. And there was one where I was just it was really difficult for me and I showed up and you all have just loved me so unconditionally. Right? Nice lead to the next topic. So unconditionally through that really icky situation.
Purna Devi:So one is very specific to the podcast topic, and then one was really specific for me personally.
Jeffrey Aylor:That's awesome. You know, I I remembered that episode so much that and the concept of the divine feminine has something that I we were talking before we came on about certain things that I have believed over my lifetime. And I if you would have talked to me about divine feminine, I would have thought you were some kind of a heretic. Right? That's the name I would have called you, you'd have said something like that to me, thinking God just a male.
Jeffrey Aylor:There's an awful lot of people who still think that that's right. God's a man. So anyway, yeah, it was a beautiful conversation. Yeah.
Joel Aylor:And for me, there wasn't one specific conversation topic that sticks out in my mind. I think the one that really I I remember the that comes to mind is when joined us, and we have somebody who has the background of that that can bring in some of the depth of the the Indian heritage. So the so bringing in the Sanskrit terms, bringing in the, you know, understanding of all that. That's one thing I struggle with. I've learned it.
Joel Aylor:I've I've read it, but I forget it. And in the moment, I don't remember the words. I don't remember exactly what they mean. So it was nice to have you join us and have that background and bring that to the table because that is, I think, a big part of it or at least does a great job of explaining a lot of the things that we that we talk about from a spiritual perspective. Thanks,
Purna Devi:Joel.
Jeffrey Aylor:I have to say I was chatting with someone who who listens to the podcast. They they listen when they cut the grass, and I think that's so awesome.
Joel Aylor:I've done that. Yeah. That when I cut the grass.
Jeffrey Aylor:Because it's a great time, you know, when you're out there doing something like that to to think and meditate, and they asked about, well, who is this Hornet, Davey? Right? Because it it was I I don't wanna say it was synchronistic that we've been able to make contact and build this relationship, and I just think it's going grow from there. You know, as we've gotten to know each other, it just continues to deepen. So, yeah, what a blessing.
Joe Dermody:My my favorite memory looking back is the very first podcast that we got to do. You had come up to me and said, hey, Joe. You wanna you wanna do this podcast with me? And I was I was so nervous the very first one we did. It was just you and me, and we were sitting there.
Joe Dermody:And the amount of ums I said, the very first one, because I was so nervous. I still say a bunch of them, but I think I've gotten
Joel Aylor:a little bit better.
Joe Dermody:And how much easier it's gotten since then just being able to feel like I'm talking with a bunch of friends now. Not that you're not only a great friend, but, you know, family. And but that it didn't feel that that that nervousness has just gone away. And just the love I feel now be in in this group and how I so look forward to it instead of not that I was not looking forward to the first one, but I was just so nervous. That very first one.
Joe Dermody:And it this is the whole feel of everything has changed now, and
Jeffrey Aylor:I love that.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. Definitely. So the first time I did this episode, I think it was the second one you did. It was just you and I. I did it from my car in my garage just to find a quiet spot in my house away from my girls.
Joel Aylor:I literally did it in my car. And and to your point, I mean, look forward to it each week, and oftentimes, we, you know, can you know, have the questions beforehand and can prepare.
Jeffrey Aylor:But
Joel Aylor:today, we didn't have that, and I'm just like, okay. Let's just go. Let's just do it. It doesn't it's like, alright. We're we're good now.
Joel Aylor:It's just sitting and having a conversation. At this point, it's no doesn't feel like it's not performative, if if that makes sense. So
Joe Dermody:No. It absolutely does because that very first time I had to read through the questions, and I wanted to think about them. And now, yeah, just like you said, I don't have anything in front of me now. We're just talking. It's fantastic.
Joe Dermody:Yeah.
Purna Devi:It does give you an opportunity to notice your filler words, though, doesn't it?
Joe Dermody:Oh, yeah. Yes.
Jeffrey Aylor:I get to hear all of them. Yeah. And I have to say the editing has gotten easier over the the season because people, know, they are more aware. It's amazing how awareness helps. But for me, it's just been the, you know, as as an organizational development expert and understanding the dynamics of group development.
Jeffrey Aylor:This group has really quickly formed. We really didn't have any storming, which is a typical stage. I think people jockey. Every time you bring a group together, people kind of jockey for their position to know, well, where do I fit in this group? You know, am I being respected?
Jeffrey Aylor:Am I not? I wanna make sure everybody knows who I am and and what my knowledge and skills are. So and then you get into the norming where people they they they start to feel how this is gonna work, how this is gonna flow, and and it becomes natural in the conversation. I mean, the order in which we speak a lot of times now has become kind of an you know? And but then you get into the performing, and I really think this group has gotten into a level of conversation where the quality of the content is really valuable.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's valuable for us, so I'm thankful and hopeful that it's valuable for people who listen. So that's always been my if it's valuable for me, if I'm getting value from it, if you're getting value from it, then anybody listening to the podcast will get value from it. So that to me has always been and then to facilitate the discussion. Right? So that it does feel natural and that it can be easy even if you haven't been given the questions.
Jeffrey Aylor:A good facilitator will guide you through a conversation and be able to So I hope that that you know that there's been a lot of learning, doing a first season of any any kind of a show like this where just technical things having to learn all the technical elements. But all in all, I think I think first of all, you're all brilliant. What a blessing. What a blessing to have you in this this group and in this conversation. So let's let's jump into our first section of questions where, again, we're going to look back here.
Jeffrey Aylor:I want you to think. Back over this season, whatever portion of the seasons you know that you've been involved with us and. You know, we've talked about what conversation, was there an episode specifically that caused you to change your thinking at all? Was there any episode where something struck you like? Oh, I hadn't I hadn't thought about that before.
Jeffrey Aylor:Wow, that really.
Purna Devi:For me, I think the one that touched me most personally was Unity and family. I grew up in a really toxic home with a real really abusive people. And I've worked on those wounds and done a lot of healing around those teachers and those relationships, and I have been estranged from those relationships mostly for many, many, many years, but it feels so full circle to have come to that conversation and consider what they gave me, what I learned from them, and not just, you know, the healing of the toxic, but they actually brought some important elements into my life as well. And that was a really special opportunity because I know that I am not the only person that is involved in this podcast or that's listening to this podcast that has tension in their family unit. I think part of that is is sort of the human dynamic, right, is that we find ourselves typically in families that are gonna grow us, and we've got karma and most oftentimes the thickest karma with family.
Purna Devi:So that was a really special conversation for me to reflect on my own relationship, the stories that I tell, how I wanna move forward and continue a deeper level of healing and appreciation and love for that unit.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. It makes me think of Ram Dass when you talk about families. And he basically says, if you wanna find out if you're enlightened, spend a week with your family. See if you can handle that. Because then I and I've also heard people joke and saying that family is kinda like fish.
Joel Aylor:They're good for a few days, and after a few days, they start to stink.
Jeffrey Aylor:That's great.
Joel Aylor:I I I think it's just, basically, you just you know each other so well, and you just start to, you know, poke at each other or irritate each other, but you also feel comfortable having that back and forth. You know? Just interesting when when you think about it. So, yeah, sometimes family can be they they are great teachers, I think. I know my family is that way.
Joel Aylor:For me, one of the episodes that it wasn't a, like, a substantial, like, change of mind, but it was more of a better understanding, and that was our unity with with Earth. And we talked about how important it is to take care of the Earth and how that, you know, reflects in our in our diets and and our, you know, things like that. But what kinda changed my mind on it is just the relationship to it, that this isn't a you know, obviously, it's it makes sense to take care of the the the soil, to take care of the plants and how we grow it, and then also what we choose to eat and put into our bodies. But the the whole thing I I viewed it now as a complete circle that essentially it's an entire relationship with it. You can talk to the plants.
Joel Aylor:You can you can, you know basically, just fully understanding that everything that you put into the work of growing your own food or knowing where it comes from has a relationship with your overall health so that healing your body begins well before, you know, making a decision on what you eat. It has to be, you know, grown in a certain way and things like that. So understanding that relationship kinda came to light to me when we were having those conversations.
Joe Dermody:Yeah. I think for me, one of the most important ones was the unity with self. When you start thinking about what it means, you think about unity as being with others and having to be more than just one, but how important it is to include yourself with that unity and what that really means. And that made me stop to think about how important it was to really take care of yourself in this whole process. And that was one of the early episodes too.
Joe Dermody:And I'm glad it was an earlier episode because it kind of brought that awareness and kept it there throughout the whole the whole series. And I think that was important for me to always keep that in the back of my mind as we're we're going through this whole process.
Jeffrey Aylor:I mean, all these all these points, I learned so much from from each one of you. Because it's interesting because I find each of you has a different focal point when it comes to the content, you know, and a different depth of understanding that you each bring. Just the principle of oneness, cons the whole concept of unity has been revolutionary to me, which is why it was the first book that came. I'm confident that's why the universe dropped. This is the first book in because it is when you see the connection to everything.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's not just connection between people, it's the connection with Earth connection with with every element of life, every element of creation. It changes the way you view it, it changes the way you interact with it. If it doesn't change the way you do, then you haven't embodied it, you haven't brought it into life. At that point, it's just in your head. There's a lot of people we talked about this several times throughout the podcast series.
Jeffrey Aylor:There are a lot of people who have head knowledge, but they don't have a heart knowledge, it hasn't actually impacted the way they live and the way they interact and the way they treat people and things. It's funny, was working out, you know, the other day and and there was a centipede walking across the floor. And years past, I probably would have stepped on that bug and killed it and and but yet I'm looking at it and I'm thinking well what a sweet little, sweet little, you know, God's creature walking across the floor. I'm going to leave you alone. You leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone.
Jeffrey Aylor:And we'll go our separate ways. And I'll enjoy watching you move and you know, so just a little it's so funny how even just a tiny moment like that can be absolutely beautiful. Right? So yeah, this whole season has just been I feel it in my heart. I feel it deeply in my heart.
Jeffrey Aylor:So there's this this funny this question this next one is was there a moment when we were while we were recording this, that something unexpected happened and you have to react to it while we were recording?
Purna Devi:I think my dog can bark a few times.
Jeffrey Aylor:Can hear my dog?
Purna Devi:Yeah. My kid woke up and walked through the hallway, you know, as a 16 year old does, very quiet like a mouse. Just kidding. And the dogs barking outside actually just happened about five minutes ago. So, like, oh, yeah.
Purna Devi:They're they're waking up the neighborhood.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. Same thing when having when we had the girls here, you know, them walking across the floor or or her mom being in the kitchen doing stuff, not realizing it makes sound, but I don't think it actually showed up on the actual audio. But for the me for me, the one that sticks out the most is when we did the one episode in the upstairs room when you first moved the podcast studio upstairs. Yeah. And you had these new lights on, and it was, like, in a sauna.
Joel Aylor:It was hot. It was bright. I was sweating sitting still. Yeah. That, thankfully, doesn't translate into audio.
Joel Aylor:There's no video because, you know, we have Facebook radio. So that that works. So
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, I do plan season two to be more more video based, so you're gonna have to get over it.
Purna Devi:My dogs are literally barking as we speak. The divine irony of that conversation and now they just won't hush.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, again, as you learn technically, you know, most of that doesn't translate into the microphone. So you know, it usually, I overreacted initially to different noises I would hear and then all of a sudden I realized, you can't hear that. So I think the audio in general has has gotten better. I think, you know, as the equipment gets better, the audio gets better.
Joe Dermody:I don't know if I have. I mean, that's really that's a question for you, Jeff, if you've heard stuff or not.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's pretty quiet
Joel Aylor:Yeah. In your
Joe Dermody:Yeah. No. My house is normally asleep at this time. So yeah. It's pretty easy for me.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, I like I don't like surprises, right? So I'm glad most of us don't have any major surprises. So so, you know, we've talked about favorite moments here of pure, you know, the each one you've kind of brought to light. And so Joel with you, you know, how does this help connect with your work that you do? Because you have such an important role in our society, the work you do.
Joel Aylor:So yeah, there's actually two conversations that would tie that in specifically the pharmacy. One of them being, you know, the overall unity with with Earth, like I mentioned, and understanding the you know, our food system and our diet, things like that. So we know we have, you know, overall bad health. We have overall bad food in our in our country, lots of processed food that causes a lot of damage to the body. So over time, you you become unhealthy, and then they end up showing up at my counter looking for a prescription to handle the the body's disease from handling that over the years.
Joel Aylor:Whether that be chronic or acute, you come to my counter and you get a pill to try to reverse that or to kinda ease the symptoms. So understanding that relationship is huge, and it actually absolutely blew my mind when I went down that rabbit hole a number a number of years ago to understand the source. So, like, I'm at I'm basically way downstream. I'm at the very end of this whole process of decisions and of relationship with our food and relationship with the earth and things like that. So one thing that really lights me up, but it's really hard to get people to want to hear it or be willing to accept it, is understanding that relationship with our food.
Jeffrey Aylor:So let me ask you a question. This has really hit me over the last month or so. You know, we over the season, we've touched lightly on plant medicine, and what a plant medicine can do. Know, Porny, you it's not a plant medicine, but it's a natural medicine that you you will administer that has somewhat similar reactions, right, with people. But we often talk about those plant medicines, how they they work as a reboot.
Jeffrey Aylor:They they they reboot your system so that you can kind of restart with a fresh mind, a mind toward spiritual things, mostly, right? Spirituality. But what do you think about these new drugs that people are using? Wait, so I'm thinking as I look at this, so GLP one, right, is now it's everywhere. You see it everywhere.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. And I'm looking at it, and I'm thinking, well, isn't that really doing in some cases exactly what a plant medicine would do in that it reboots your system? What's it?
Joel Aylor:Not quite. So plant medicines is gonna affect the nervous system specifically, usually, and that you the way to look at that, like you say, reboot, it's the best way to describe it is to kinda, like, take a snow globe and shake it up and get that nice flat snowy surface. And so, like, if you're sledding down a hill and you got a well grooved path, you can't get out of it. That's kinda like the nervous system over time. It has the same pathway, you can't get out of it.
Joel Aylor:Plant medicines will kinda cover that over and let you have a nice fresh hill to go down again and create your own new path. So that affects the nervous system, your your brain chemistry, the brain pathways, things like that. GLP ones are specific towards usually the GI system. They're natural peptides. They're not specifically drugs per se.
Joel Aylor:They what they do is they basically they do it in a couple different things. One is they make it so that you the the person does not have the the feeling of being hungry. That's the biggest thing. And it's like so we'll get into the the chemistry of it, but but, essentially, they they help the person not want to to eat. They they block out the food noise, the the the desire that that you know, they you always have that craving or that want of the food, even the bad stuff, and you know it's not good for you.
Joel Aylor:You still have that desire to have it, and it kinda calms that down and gets rid of it.
Jeffrey Aylor:So isn't but isn't that a reboot? Yep. It doesn't that kinda reboot your your way you think about food, isn't it?
Joel Aylor:No. Because if because when you take it away, it it comes back. So with plant medicine, what they're finding if certain types of medicines, so say psilocybin or MDMA and and when it comes to PTSD or depression and things like that, whatever your focus is, you can give it as one dose, and you have a lasting effect after that. The GLP one requires a a consistent dosing. Soon as you remove it, that does that same desire and that same food noise comes back.
Joel Aylor:And it generally what we're seeing over time is that if someone's on it long term, a GLP one long term, and they take that away, they gain the weight back.
Jeffrey Aylor:And But that's if they're not getting some sort of counseling or
Joel Aylor:It has to be a with them as Correct. And you have to have a it's gotta be a whole patient package. And a lot of times, that's not how it's being presented or how it's been being done therapy wise. It's just here's the here's the medication. Let's lose some weight.
Joel Aylor:So they haven't changed any of their habits. They haven't changed any of their exercise. Haven't changed the whole picture of the patient that is required to handle this. Do they have a placement therapy? 100%, thousand percent.
Joel Aylor:They're from they it's a it's a breakthrough for sure. The doses are a bit high. We could potentially drop the doses to as much smaller and and have them take it each day, and that would be a little bit probably safer. So microdosing. In a way.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. Microdose. You can call it microdose at this point, but your body naturally produces microdoses of these chemicals naturally anyway. But that's the problem is that we have a lot of patients who who do this and don't change any of their other habits. And if they come off of it, say, for, you know, financial reasons or whatever the issue may be, then they gain the weight back, and they struggle to handle that weight again.
Joel Aylor:So it they they're, like I said, great drugs, but it's not a complete reboot. It doesn't allow them to it can be a reboot if it's done in the right
Jeffrey Aylor:setting. Well, but even plant medicines are that way. People will tell you this if you just go and have a ritual. Yeah. If there's no support system built around it, and you're not getting the appropriate counseling and ritual, in many cases, because a lot of these are ritualistic, right?
Jeffrey Aylor:They're based on global belief systems that support it. They that people can regress potentially back into, know, different back into the state of mind that they were in before they took the plant medicine. So this is again, this is just an interesting. I don't agree. You know, it's it's I'm just saw a parallel.
Jeffrey Aylor:Something hit me and said, wait a minute. This is like a reboot of the GI system, not their nervous system. It's a reboot of the GI system, which we're struggling with. Yeah. So I mean Breaking that craving that
Joel Aylor:has been Right. So that's the connection between the GI system and and the mind for sure. There is definitely a link there, but it's it's a little more a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more complicated than than the plant medicine would be. But I I understand what you're saying. It can it can definitely can be used if it's used in the right way, it can be completely transformative for a person.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. Because, mean, I think that was the issue people had with psychedelics in the sixties is in many cases, they were using them, and it wasn't in a controlled or in an environment where they were being, you know, supported and coached and trained or whatever they had to have in support of using the psychedelic, right? So
Joel Aylor:a lot of it as well is that, you know, people were taking it and actually, you know, not relying on the government anymore, or revolting against the government. So the government didn't like that. They squashed it.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. Well, the food industry is gonna do
Joel Aylor:similar things. Yeah. 100% sometimes. Yeah. Pharmacy industry as well.
Joel Aylor:The pharmaceutical industry will be the ones that'll try to squash the the plant medicine from coming into an actual clinical trial and actually getting approved to be used in a clinical setting. So, yeah, they'll they'll do their best to get rid of it because it'll completely wipe out an entire massive billions of dollar industry when it comes to pills. So, yeah, they don't want that. Well, that went on a nice tangent. I like it.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. Well, I I knew I knew where I was gonna take that.
Joel Aylor:That was a leaded question.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. So, Joe, tell us which which discussion really challenged you.
Joe Dermody:Well, the one you just had now about GLP ones was interesting to me because I I'm on one as well. But I don't I don't know if many of them really challenged me. I thought some of them were interesting, but we've it's a little bit different, I guess, because we've been talking about a lot of these outside of the podcast as well for a long time. So I think some of the ones that have challenge some of the thoughts that have challenged me when they were first brought up to me, I guess
Jeffrey Aylor:This is really the yeah. That's the essence. Yeah.
Joe Dermody:Yeah. Right. Which it would be, I guess, some of the divine feminine and masculine conversations we've had really opened my eyes and made me think. It was a new concept to me that that I haven't thought about before. As well as, as I mentioned before, the the unity with self and the meditation really brought to light a new aspect of myself that I didn't think about before.
Jeffrey Aylor:But you and I talked about how hard meditation was for you.
Joe Dermody:Was super hard.
Jeffrey Aylor:Meditation challenged you. Right?
Joe Dermody:Yeah. I couldn't I couldn't sit by myself. I couldn't sit alone. I couldn't sit still at all. I thought that I had to be doing something else all the time.
Joe Dermody:I had to have music on. There was no way I could sit in quiet for more than two or three minutes. And now there's no way I can have music playing when I wanna go and sit by myself. And I find that I need definitely need more than five or ten minutes if I'm gonna sit and meditate effectively for me. I'll sit.
Joe Dermody:I sat in the backyard for, you know, fifteen minutes before this podcast, And I will probably go and fit some more after this podcast. And and if I can sit outside and if I can have my feet on the ground, my bare feet on the ground and sit in sunshine, it's even better. And it's it's wonderful. And the Joe a year ago hearing that would wonder who's talking. So it it's it's fantastic.
Joe Dermody:And yeah.
Jeffrey Aylor:I love it. So, porno
Joe Dermody:I I do too.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm gonna ask porno now, which conversation do you think listeners have needed the most that you've been involved in?
Purna Devi:Oh my gosh. I I think I think both Joel and I really hit hit them when we have brought up the family and the food system and our connection to Earth. I think those two. But I also think divine feminine. Right?
Purna Devi:If you would have told me a year ago that I would be sitting in circle with three white men, cisgender white men having conversations about spirituality, I would have probably laughed at you because you're not necessarily my clan, you know, like, Not my usual. Not my usual, right? I run-in a gaggle of middle aged women typically. And it's been really healing for me actually because my relationship with the masculine has, you know, has been through the lens of toxic patriarchy and the toxic masculine for literally my entire life from birth in my family and on. And so it's just been a really important experience for me and to number one, bring the feminine into the conversation and to have that personal experience, right, sitting in a group of men that I see growing and considering the divine feminine and considering their relationship with the earth and right, a Western medical practitioner considering the relationship of his patients to their food and, you know, us considering our relationships to our families, all of these things are just really important and really inspiring to me, and I hope that the listeners, especially the women well, I would say all genders actually, because I think the men can really get something from having a woman, a strong woman, a woman that's rooted in the divine mother.
Purna Devi:I I think we can all benefit from that perspective. And so I just I I think so many answers actually. I think I hit on at least three there.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, that's good. You know, you hope that there is more than one episode that jumps out and and causes you to as you reflect on it. I know for me. Obviously, I created a lot of this content, right? So I love all of it.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's just like anyone. What's your favorite? What's your favorite topic? What's the one we're talking about right now? Right?
Jeffrey Aylor:That's my favorite topic today. But all of them have been wonderful. I do think the episode you mentioned where you and I had the opportunity to just sit together as a man and a woman and talk about the divine masculine, the divine feminine, which is a part of all of us. It's not one or the other. Know, for me, it's just the idea that marriage, true marriage, and marriage as it's taught in many of the traditional sacred traditions is really talking about the internal marriage within each one of us of that divine masculine, the divine feminine.
Jeffrey Aylor:Now, most people want to take those teachings and they want to apply them outwardly to natural marriage between a man, a physical man and a physical woman. Well, what makes that marriage very complicated is the fact that neither one of them in many cases has the internal marriage right. If they if we can have a strong marriage internally within ourselves of the divine masculine and the divine feminine, and we move from immature, here's the other element of it. You have a mature masculine and an immature masculine. There's a mature feminine and an immature feminine.
Jeffrey Aylor:Getting that balanced so that you understand am I functioning from a mature masculine and aim and a mature feminine? Right? So that that development, that internal shadow work, in many cases you have to go in and say, hey, I'm not behaving effectively from my feminine side. It's coming across as being immature. I need to do something to improve myself, and so at that point in a natural marriage, you're not using the other person as a crutch or as a.
Jeffrey Aylor:To to to to complete you. And at that point now, the relationship is not one of of of. Of an expectation that that person is going to complete you. You're giving from the fullness within yourself in that relationship.
Purna Devi:We move from codependency to interdependency.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yes. Totally. Exactly.
Purna Devi:Right. And I think so so much of the toxic relational programs and impressions we've received through the systems and power, through popular culture, through television, it's just incredibly toxic and incredibly codependent. And, you know, I think having these conversations, right, of of interdependence, and it's it's really empowering, right? And it's really, hopefully it helps people stop and think, like you said, and do the shadow work and bring up those old conditions and programs that they've received through their family or through their culture that make them act out in ways that aren't serving their relationships.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. You know, conflict conflict comes typically when we have have unrealistic expectation of ourselves or of others. And the other thing is, is when we get into role conflict. When someone is playing a role that's not natural for them to play. Lot of times we'll get into if both people in a in a marital relationship want to be the masculine, you're going to get into conflict.
Jeffrey Aylor:Right? So it just really been enlightening to me and no wonder relationship is hard. And the other element that that really surprises me and I'm going to talk about this, I think a lot more over the next several years as this all this content comes out is the concept again of soul contracts and soul families, which I think we are a soul family. I think we, and I strongly believe that many of the things we are experiencing in this life, we chose to come here and experience them, and with those people, and those people that we see as negative in our life are actually playing a role that we agreed to, and they're doing it for our benefit. And we don't if you can turn that around and see that like you're you talk about your family experience, you know, if you turn around and say, hey, you know what?
Jeffrey Aylor:They have and they play that role really well, but but it's been one that has challenged me and has caused me and has formed me and and or the experiences of losing a child and things that you you know, all that makes so much more sense.
Purna Devi:You know, I had a I had a spiritual friend once say, specifically about my mother. She said, imagine that before you come down into your body, all of these different souls are sitting around the proverbial table, and we all have contracts in front of us. And the contract of the mother or the child, right, who's gonna hurt you the most comes up and everyone scoots away from the table and says, no, I can't take on that karma. I can't hurt you that much. And the mother, right, or the one who's hurt you the most raises their little soul hand and says, because I love you so much, I'm gonna sign my name on that contract.
Purna Devi:Because I love you so much, I'm gonna take on that karma. Because I love you so much, I'm gonna hurt you and annihilate you on the human realm so that you can learn these lessons. I'll do it because I love you that much.
Joel Aylor:That's like, see, what you just
Jeffrey Aylor:said is that is the perfect expression of what I'm talking about. And that changes your whole perspective.
Purna Devi:It really does.
Joel Aylor:And that's where I've mentioned it before where religion, at least in our background of Western Christianity, fails to have an explanation for it. Why does bad things happen to good people? Doesn't have any answers for that. No. Right?
Joel Aylor:It doesn't have any answers for, you know, why is a a child killed early or die early, you die young, or we come into this world with a disease, something physically debilitating, something. What what there's no answer for it with with their current understanding. So this kind of understanding makes a whole lot more sense and is a lot more, you know, comforting in a way.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, it it it wouldn't be early in the experience. Yes. But yeah, overtime it it make it helps it.
Joel Aylor:To know that it's not that it's not. It's it's here for a reason that we're doing this for a reason.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yes. Because everyone thinks, why is God punishing me? Why is God punishing me? And then, know, God takes all of this blame for all these things that are actually being driven by soul contract in many cases to allow us to grow to allow us to have these experiences so that we can we can evolve. By the way, evolution is another season that's going to be one entire season we're going to talk about evolution.
Jeffrey Aylor:But yeah, this is is a deep concept and it really so the very first book I read, it was given to us by someone after Katie passed, was Why Bad Things Happen to Good People. It was written by a Jewish man who had lost a child. And then of course, you know, you think people say this couldn't have happened to you and your family. Well, it did. I can tell you it did and and you know to this day we struggle and we will and we and we work with people that are because we know what they're going to go through.
Jeffrey Aylor:And but I also believe that I also believe strongly that you know when you understand that your child is not they're still alive. That also changes everything. When you can perceive that and understand that that they've just transitioned, they've just transitioned, they're still a big part of your life and your your experiences, and they're a part of your soul family, and they are part of that contract, and they're part of the experience that really does help significantly. So anybody out there listening, you know, I I know for a fact, I can't tell someone what to think and how to feel or what they're doing in grief is right or wrong. You can't do that.
Jeffrey Aylor:But you know, to me, this has been something that has brought great, great comfort. And gosh, we haven't even jumped into the next section yet, so questions. This has been like I've hoped it would a great conversation. So I want to start focusing now on how the belief in unity, connection, oneness, really the concepts of mysticism, because that's what mystic a mystic is what believes in oneness, the oneness with all things. How is this?
Jeffrey Aylor:How's it changed the way you approach people by believing this? How's it changed the way you experience God?
Purna Devi:Well, for me, it's easy to see God in those I like, those I agree with, those whose values don't oppose my own, those that I love, those I have an affinity for? Can I remember and actually embody love in the face of those who want to harm me? Those political figures that are doing atrocious, committing atrocious crimes against humanity and mothers and the earth. Can I still embody love? Can I still embody unity?
Purna Devi:Can I still see God within those who commit crimes against themselves and against their fellow humans? That for me is still a journey that I walk. You know, the embodiment of forgiveness, the embodiment of compassion, the embodiment of recognition that every being is God, every creature, right, is an aspect of the divine tapestry, right? I'm just a thread and they're just a thread. That to me is a really important journey and challenge.
Purna Devi:Because it's really easy to sit here with you all. Right? These guys that I love and I appreciate and I respect. But if I didn't respect you, would I be able to sit here and see the God in you? I'd have a hard time with that.
Jeffrey Aylor:And it's not unique. I mean, that that is, I think, the number one challenge and the purpose why this season is so important. This is this is the the tipping point in the awakening process. It it has to come first.
Purna Devi:Because there's so much division. Everything. Everything is meant to create divisiveness. Right? Here is a topic.
Purna Devi:Pick a side. The other side is wrong. You're right. Die on that hill. We'll never get anything done.
Purna Devi:Unity then is just a feather in the wind here, right? But it's really what we need to rebirth a new earth, to really come together and to notice not our differences or to love one another and take care of the earth and take care of its inhabitants in spite of our differences. Otherwise, I think we're all on a rocket ship to destruction.
Jeffrey Aylor:Press lane. Press lane.
Purna Devi:Right? To put it morbidly poetic, I think.
Joel Aylor:Yeah. That once you finally get the understanding that every person is God having an experience, Everything in this world is is is a different reflection of God and and and what it entails. But to understand that's one thing, but to actually put it into practice is another, and I think that's where a couple things come into play in that first is awareness. The awareness that this is somebody this is not a person who is different from me. It's just they've had a different life experience.
Joel Aylor:They're going through things differently, but they are the same being. We all go through this together. So having that first awareness is key. So for me, that's the biggest thing is am I aware enough that just because they're different than me doesn't mean that they're wrong. Second thing is that space between that understanding and actually putting that and basically having a different reaction to it.
Joel Aylor:Because I have a lot of conditions, a lot of programming that tells me to react a certain way based on what I've believed or what I've been told is right, what I've been told is how to handle this situation, and pausing for a moment in that awareness and reacting differently is everything. If you can do that, it just it requires you to do it over and over again. It's not enlightenment is not just, hey. I'm here, and now I don't have to go anywhere. Now I I've achieved everything.
Joel Aylor:Enlightenment is literally a daily thing. It requires you to be mindful of that at all times. So to me, that's been the biggest change in my approach to people, to the centipede, to to the plant that, you know, that you talk to, all that is not it's all the same thing. And once you understand that and can live that and embody that, it completely opens up how beautiful this place can be. And I think that's the whole point of this podcast is to basically not you know, we're not trying to get not trying to save souls to go to heaven.
Joel Aylor:We're trying to bring heaven here, and that's how you do it. You you learn how to bring heaven to Earth.
Purna Devi:That's beautiful.
Joe Dermody:It is. I'm sitting here thinking too that when you start to see everybody as one and start to realize how easy it is to talk to everybody when you think of them as yourself. But then you step back and think, not so easy to talk to yourself until you forgive yourself and learn to really recognize who you are and how hard that actually is to do and how much you don't really know yourself until you take the time to hit and learn to know yourself. Right?
Joel Aylor:Foundational. Yeah. No. It's absolutely foundational. You can it's it's hard to understand anyone else if you don't understand yourself.
Joe Dermody:Right. Thank you. No.
Joel Aylor:You've you've said it twice now, and and and I think you're you're dead on. You gotta learn how to to know yourself.
Purna Devi:Well, it's micro and macro. Right?
Joel Aylor:Right.
Purna Devi:My inner world really dictates how I experience the outer one.
Joe Dermody:And so As within, so without. Right?
Purna Devi:Right. Yeah. There you go. That's right.
Jeffrey Aylor:Oh, now we're gonna get into the hermetic principles. Wow. You're so much.
Purna Devi:A topic you you avoid at all costs. Right?
Joel Aylor:Oh my god.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, it's I say if
Joe Dermody:it doesn't make it into the the wrap up episode, something's something's missing. Right?
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, so it it should change the way you approach people. If you recognize that what you're what you're experiencing with someone is not typically, it's not personal. When someone is mistreating you, what they're showing you is something that is within themselves that they are they're struggling with, and it's being projected outward towards you or towards someone else. And if you look at it that way and recognize we're all wounded and have shadow and it's difficult, I think you can be more compassionate towards some of those people when they're having those because what you're seeing in them are things that they need to identify within themselves and work on. It's not really meant for you.
Jeffrey Aylor:Although, you know, it's being thrown at you. We're like monkeys where we throw poop at everybody and everything and and it's kind of dirty. But
Joel Aylor:Well, that just makes me think and what you just said there makes me think of Ted Lasso, and that's we we gotta throw this into this conversation too because we've said it multiple episodes of be curious, not judgmental. And I'm rewatching Ted Lasso, and I'm at the end of the third season before the fourth season just started this this past week. And I got curious in the in the in the character of Nathan Shelley, was basically the bad guy essentially of the end of season two and end of season three. He basically just becomes mean to Ted Lasso for, you know, no reason at all, really. And you because I became curious, I was like, what made him be so mean, outwardly mean to people who to who were supporting him the entire time?
Joel Aylor:And it was because of his father and how he basically was overlooked or nothing was ever good enough, and he never got the opportunity to to do what he wanted to do. He was over he was overshadowed by all this, and he all he wanted was the the attention. All he wanted was the love and the people to recognize what he could do. And he did that in the wrong way by being mean to the people who got him to where he was and and and tying into people who weren't good for him. But eventually, he learns that lesson and realizes those people were who who they actually truly cared about me.
Joel Aylor:But he was lashing out to them, and it didn't it would that didn't make sense. So first time I watched the show, I was judging him. I'm like, why? I hate this character. I don't know.
Joel Aylor:What what is his deal? But then I got curious. Like, what is it what is it trying to show me? What what is his story if I look back at it? Why is he acting this way?
Jeffrey Aylor:It's interesting you bring up that, you know, the first seven years of a of a person's physical life are so critical. So I was just listening to a podcast series. It was a it was a subset of the telepathy tapes where they were talking about a plant medicine called Ibogaine from the Aboga plant in Africa. And Ibogaine and and Aboga does Something with with again, we were talking about the rewiring of the nervous system. What it does is it's been identified as a cure for things like PTSD, right?
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, what what's interesting about the experience is that when they're in. The influence of the Aylor game, they're not reliving the things that caused them PTSD. They're live. What it does is it takes them back to their childhood. And it uncovers things that they experienced in their childhood that are making the things they experienced here worse.
Jeffrey Aylor:And it heals the childhood wound. And it causes them to deal better with the later. So it's kind of like Freud in a pill. Yes, it's totally it's a Sigmund Freud in a pill if you think about it. But that so so that for listeners and for us, what you do to your children, how you treat children, and how you program children in those earliest years, the traumas that they experience are really the root cause of the trauma that they tend to experience later in life.
Jeffrey Aylor:Right? And so I mean, to me, that's just fascinating. It's just absolutely fascinating. Right?
Purna Devi:Majority of the work that I do, it all stems back to childhood. So it doesn't matter what modality I'm using. If we're doing energy work or plant or animal medicine or somatic EMDR or hypnotherapy or past life regression, all of it, all of it stems from early childhood traumas.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, so at that point, you know, again, we it should help us become more compassionate. Especially towards those, know, the Christian scriptures teach love your enemy. Hey, it's easy to love those that love you, but loving your enemies, that's where you're really going to show whether or not you understand the principle of love and unconditional love. Right? And one of the questions here was how has it changed your experience with God?
Jeffrey Aylor:For me, recognizing that God is within is has been just it not only within me, He's within you. He really is expressing himself through each one of us and having a different experience through each of us, and not only through us, but through all creation. So I have gone from being someone who always thought God was out there to recognizing that God is in here, right? And the only way that we can express God within without is if we have and recognize God within as within, so without as above, so below. So the Hermetic principle, Jesus taught these principles over and over and over, and I never knew it, never understood that.
Jeffrey Aylor:And it changes the way I look at myself. It changes the way I look at my family and the people I work with and the work I do. All of that changes as a result of that that fundamental shift in perception of God. And we touched on this, I think, a few episodes ago. You know, I'm I am what you would call a pan theist.
Jeffrey Aylor:There's pantheism which says that everything is God. That tree is God. Well, I'm a panantheist. It says, no. God that tree has God in it, but God is bigger than the tree.
Jeffrey Aylor:Right? A pananthias says that God is in everything, but God is bigger than everything because he's the sum of all those parts and even greater than that. And then to me that just again answers so many questions. That have struggled with, you know, throughout my. Journey in my experience.
Jeffrey Aylor:So one of the things you know, obviously throughout this season, and Joe has reminded us of this every episode, that what really is important is love.
Joel Aylor:And it's all you need.
Jeffrey Aylor:It love is all you need. Yeah, but I heard that there's song.
Joel Aylor:Sounds like a good song. We should write that.
Jeffrey Aylor:The Beatles maybe did something like that. And and one of the one of the fundamental terms you're gonna hear me say over and over and over as we go into this next season, which is going to be love is that love is the glue. That holds unity together. Unity, we struggle with unity because we struggle with love. And when we struggle to find that connection, especially with the people that we have differences with.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's it's it's this issue of loving. Them and unconditionally loving them, right? Unconditional love is something very, very different. In fact, I almost would question whether if if if your love has conditions, is it really love at all? Right?
Jeffrey Aylor:So, you know, Unity reveals the reality that love really is the glue that holds it together and that love transforms our reality. It it changes the way we see. So my question here is why you know why couldn't we stay in unity forever? Why? Why does love naturally come next as a topic here?
Jeffrey Aylor:Think about that with me.
Purna Devi:Well, I think you touched on something earlier when we were talking about, you know, there are ideas in the mind and then there is the act of, the embodiment of. And I've said this before in podcasts that we're pack animals, we live in relation to others. And so for me, love is a continuous act. It is the embodiment of the unity of the God consciousness within self, of the unity of micro and macro, recognizing there is no difference between inner and outer. And so for me, love is the natural next step.
Purna Devi:Right? Mahatma Gandhi said, where there is love, there is life, and we live it. Right? We don't we don't live on these podcasts. We don't live in our mind.
Purna Devi:We don't live on the meditation cushion, but rather we live in relation to other beings and love is the highest frequency. And so there's so much struggle. There's so much divisiveness. There's, you know, we're all, like Ram Dass said, walking each other home. And, you know, through our own sufferings and our human karmas conditions, love is the salve on it all, and that comes in the form of action.
Purna Devi:And so it makes sense, right, that we're talking about all of these theoretical concepts. Right? The idea of unity. But now how is that embodied? It's embodied through the act of love.
Purna Devi:And that can right? That's a very general statement because the act of love can look very different depending on on the circumstances that are arising in that moment. But the salve is always the salve. Right?
Joel Aylor:Yeah. I think it's a natural progression if you learn the unity within yourself, then you expand that out to other people and that view that other people are just they're one with you. They argue, just having a different experience. Naturally, it goes into love because if you look at that person and you say, I I I don't love this person. I don't like them.
Joel Aylor:Well, it's just essentially saying I don't like myself. I don't love myself. Once you can understand that, you don't wanna live in that space for very long because who doesn't wanna who who when you don't like yourself and you don't love yourself, things fall apart. Life becomes very difficult and very hard. Eventually, you wanna change that, and the way to change that is to learn to love others.
Joel Aylor:Learn to love yourself first, to love others. I think it's they go kind of hand in hand because I don't think people wanna sit in that space where love is not present because it it does not feel good.
Joe Dermody:I agree. There's not a whole lot more. I think it's just moving from one step down to the next and banding upon it.
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, if you build on a foundation of understanding that God is love, and if God is the essence or source of all of us, and the core of our true being, then we're all love. Right? And Sounds like math there. It is pretty much math. It's a basic math equation.
Jeffrey Aylor:Right?
Joe Dermody:It's logic.
Jeffrey Aylor:It does. But that that's a logic that people it makes sense in their head, but to turn it into truth and practice is totally different. And that's really what the essence of this next season is going to be about. It's we have got to get out of a head knowledge and just expressing things in words and turn it into a heart knowledge, and it and we have to become embodied. We have to embody it, which comes through practice, which comes through experience and relationship, and and so I'm I'm just super excited.
Jeffrey Aylor:I'm really am. I'm very, very excited to because this is practical. Not easy, not everything, not everything that is is it's not going to be easy The point she talked about, you know, it is a struggle to love. Some some people or some things or, know, to show love in different situations because it just seems so counter. But the fact is is that is exact how can someone be saying, god, forgive them?
Jeffrey Aylor:They don't know what they're doing. As they're murdering the person.
Purna Devi:It's easier to hate. Right? Hate is
Joel Aylor:easy. Easy. It's a low frequency.
Purna Devi:Oh, it's so accessible. It's so easy. It's so temporarily validating. Right? And and Martin Luther King Junior said hate never dispels hate or hate always dis right?
Purna Devi:Love dispels hate. Right? And so it has to be, right? We have to come back to our natural essence. And it is hard.
Purna Devi:If it was easy, we'd all be the mother Teresa's. Right? But here we are, humans struggling to remember ourselves.
Jeffrey Aylor:So what what are you hoping yeah. What are you hoping that we'll discover as we go into this next season?
Purna Devi:I think like you said, practical application. Because again, we can talk about all of these, you know, big theoretical ideas and big feelings. But what I really love to do in my personal practice and my business is give folks really simple, actionable daily steps. Right? Oftentimes, we think these things need to be big quantum leaps, but those tend to happen from those little small daily habits that we begin to cultivate that in a year or three years we look around or look inside and our inner world is different and our outer world is different.
Purna Devi:So I'd love to to offer people bite size opportunities to make small changes that will eventually have large impact. We're in the long game. And I think in this drive through culture, right, folks go up to Joel's window every day and want a quick fix to a long term problem.
Joel Aylor:Yep.
Purna Devi:And I think that we we cultivate patience for ourselves and for our fellow humans as we are walking this journey of the long game, of of building nice solid foundations that we can grow from.
Jeffrey Aylor:And I'm gonna I'm gonna add to that a little bit because in many cases, I think people believe that the game is only one lifetime. Right? And when in reality, I believe this is truly a marathon of lives that we live, which is why this feeds into the concept of of soul contracts and soul family. Someone in that process is choosing to show us love, unconditional love, by becoming an enemy, or by becoming an antagonist by becoming a that is to teach us and help us grow and evolve in that long game. Now, I don't think that gives us an excuse for bad behavior in this lifetime.
Jeffrey Aylor:At all, none at all.
Purna Devi:Take it with you, right?
Jeffrey Aylor:Because guess what? You're going to carry that. Yeah, every action has an equal and opposite reaction and you've got, you know, the concept of, you know, there is there is karma, the concept of cause and effect, right, that is is real. So just beautiful point.
Joel Aylor:One thing I hope we discover is from our little group, but also in anybody listening is that you don't have to do really big acts of love in order to change the world, because sometimes that can feel overwhelming. You get this great feeling. You wanna do things. You want things to change. You wanna be integral to things moving forward or looking better, but that's not the point.
Joel Aylor:That's not how you change the world. And and to quote Mother Teresa, like you mentioned, and basically, learn how to do little things with great love. That's what I hope people discover is that just do small things. Doesn't have to be big. And that's how you can change not just the world, but the world that you envision and the world that you create and and go forward in.
Joel Aylor:I think that's what I want everyone to to take away from next season.
Joe Dermody:Mhmm. Just remember that a candle is not diminished by lighting other candles. Right? And love is exactly the same way. Right?
Joe Dermody:You can share love without losing your own. And I think that is one of the biggest things to remember.
Jeffrey Aylor:Yeah. There is no scarcity. Right?
Joe Dermody:There is no scarcity at all.
Jeffrey Aylor:Love is abundant. It's abundant. It's so fun because another season that we'll touch on in the coming years is abundance. And and people when you talk about abundance, obviously, they think money. Right?
Jeffrey Aylor:Well, that's not really what abundance is about. Abundance is about so much more than that, and love is one of those things. Love is not scarce. It is not a scarce commodity. It is something that is abundant.
Jeffrey Aylor:It flows abundantly, and you So Perna, you also touched because another one of our our seasons is gonna be on on energy, and the fact that we've we've to really fully experience this love, you have to resonate and you have to vibrate at a higher frequency than we tend to, and part of what we'll get into is how do we do we vibrate individually at a higher frequency so that we can we're no different than a radio. You cannot tune into a specific signal that's all around you, by the way. Every radio signal is all around you. You're not picking up on them because you're not tuned into it. Well, guess what?
Jeffrey Aylor:Love is this way. Love is all around us. But because we're not at the right, we're not tuned to the right frequency, we can't pick up on it. We can't receive it. We can't fully bow get the value of it, even though it's all around us.
Jeffrey Aylor:So I think those are going to be some of the I'm super excited. Again, you can tell I get really excited about all of this, but because in my mind, it all goes together. It's all been one great big beautiful vision. So let's play a little game here as we kind of close things out. I want to end our session by going around and having each one of you complete a sentence.
Jeffrey Aylor:Okay. I'm gonna start with Joel. And Joel, heaven on Earth is
Joel Aylor:Let's go with Joe's answer. Heaven on Earth is love. So, Joe, love means?
Joe Dermody:Love means everything.
Jeffrey Aylor:Porna, the sacred human is?
Purna Devi:Embodied God.
Jeffrey Aylor:Beautiful. Beautiful. You know, I just hope that people as we've gone through this season recognize that heaven is not somewhere else. Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a state of being.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's a state of mind. It's a state of presence. It's a state and condition of love for yourself, for others, for all of creation, that love is kind, love is patient, love is peace in action. It's peace embodied, and that every human, every human is sacred because the sacred is in every human. And if we can start to see that and understand that, and we approach it all from the position of love, we will experience heaven on earth.
Jeffrey Aylor:So you know, if this season has taught me anything is that heaven has never been waiting for us. Right? It's it's always been waiting within us. It's within us waiting for us to remember it. It's something we have to remember.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's always there. It is and it's waiting for us to live it. Waiting to become love expressed outwardly. So as we close this first season, I want to thank you, each one of you want to thank all of our people that have chosen to listen. I want to thank you all for questioning, being curious, for growing alongside each other, for allowing these conversations to be a part of your journey, and realize that Unity Unity is not a destination.
Jeffrey Aylor:It's a doorway. It's a way for us to move, and as we move through that doorway, love awaits us. Love awaits us, and I just have this great feeling that the best conversations that we're going to have are still ahead of us. And as we bring this episode to a close, we look forward to seeing you in season two. But until then, remember, heaven is already here.
Jeffrey Aylor:We simply become more capable of remembering and recognizing it, and revealing it together, and with that let's let the space between continue. As we come to a close, remember that this journey continues in many expressions. This podcast is part of a family of partner podcasts. Awakening heaven on earth. The space between heaven and earth and living heaven on earth are three companion podcasts exploring spiritual awakening from complementary perspectives.
Jeffrey Aylor:Awakening Heaven on Earth offers the core teachings and mystical reflections on unity, love, and conscious living. The space between creates room for dialogue, reflection, and lived conversation around those teachings. Living heaven on earth focuses on basic spiritual practices that help embody these insights in daily life. Together, they form a unified journey of understanding, experience, and integration, inviting listeners to remember their connection with the divine, with one another, and with the living world. You can find all of them available on the same podcast streaming platforms wherever you listen.
Jeffrey Aylor:And if music helps carry these teachings deeper into the heart. The Unity. Awakening Heaven on Earth album is available on all major music streaming services as a musical companion to this journey. Wherever you engage through listening, reflection, conversation, or music. May it gently remind you, you are not separate.
Jeffrey Aylor:You belong to the one life and heaven is already unfolding within you. Until next time. Walk gently, love deeply, and embody heaven on earth.