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The Harvester Podcast is brought to you by the Florida School of Preaching. Listen weekly to take a dive into biblical topics and thoughtful studies on things that matter to our eternal souls.
Welcome to the Harvester podcast, season two, episode 11.
We appreciate you joining us this episode.
I am Brian Kenyon along with
Stephen Ford.
Forest Antemesaris
And this season we've been talking about cultural issues that we face in the church and in
the society around us.
And today we want to talk about transgenderism.
Transgenderism, which has been a very hot topic for about the last 10 years or so, maybe
even more.
And Forrest has done some special studies on that, so we're glad he's here with us.
And we're going to ask him to go ahead and start us off here with this podcast.
Yeah, thank you.
I actually was assigned.
think obviously Brian remembers this.
I was assigned to speak on this topic at a lectureship here in Florida and Orlando back in
2015.
Wow.
And that's when it really kind of started bubbling up.
You know, that's when that was the same year that Bruce Jenner turned into Caitlyn Jenner
and he went on ABC interview and said, I'm a woman.
And then, you know, had surgery.
Changed his name to Caitlin and then he won the 2015 ESPN Arthur Ash Award for courage.
And I don't know, some of us remember that image of like him going up there and giving
that award.
You know, he used to be a decathlon athlete was like the man of man was on Wheaties boxes.
He was like, some people's like childhood hero.
And then all of a sudden he says he's a woman and it's like society just like believed
him, you know, it was like, yeah.
And then you had the flood of all those things like the target bathroom policy where it's
like, Hey, you know, we're not going to judge your gender.
Essentially, if you identify as a female, but you're presenting as male, you can use the
female bathroom, this, that, the other, there were the boycotts that went from that.
There were some things in our government that had to do with children using bathrooms in
schools back in 2015.
And, um, since then it's kind of just been like a never ending barrage, I would say, and
like an avalanche of.
Transgender things, you know, but I really assigned that topic in 2015 I had no idea that
it was you know back then it was still kind of like a fringe issue if it weren't for Bruce
Jenner But obviously now it's everywhere.
I mean, it's you know, very popular and of course now The tide seems to be kind of turning
against the transgender stuff where I think like
The average person everywhere in America almost is uncomfortable with it and doesn't want
their children to be subjected to those kinds of things.
And I think a lot of people, not just Christians, believe that it's gone too far.
I guess we could say, you know, even we were talking Forest we record, you know, even in
the LGBTQ community where there's a big contingent of LGB people who are kind of against
the T of things, right?
And they think that it's being taken too far and all these different kinds of things.
So
And of course, back in 2015, you didn't have a big discussion about puberty blockers for
kids and all that kind of stuff.
So it just evolved and evolved.
But, you know, when this issue first came, I think, into public consciousness, it part of
the reason why I was so shocking is because it was a relatively novel way to look at and
think about gender.
You know, for all of really human history, there was an idea.
and really a belief and understanding that there are two genders.
And there might be like, quote unquote, like gender benders, right?
Where you kind of blur the lines a little bit.
Some people might blur the lines a little bit.
But we know if you have male parts, and as you say, like the hard wire that goes with that
or the wiring that goes with it.
You know, if you have male parts in the wiring that goes with it, you're a male.
If you have female parts in the wiring that goes with it, you're a female.
And for the first time, it became kind of this public idea or publicly expressed.
that gender is not binary, it's not one option or the other, but it's a spectrum, right?
And gender, they really started breaking down gender into three parts.
And you have the gender that you manifest physically, or the phrase used today is assigned
at birth.
And then you have the gender identity, that's kind of what you choose, right?
And then you kind of have a third part, which is how you feel.
Do I feel like a man or do I feel like a woman?
Whatever that may mean, you know?
So kind of that groundbreaking change in how gender is viewed, which kind of started, like
if you trace that, it's like, you know, circles in academia and stuff like that as part of
that whole postmodern thing.
But all that stuff always flows downstream to like normal people, you know?
So all of a sudden, something you kind of take for granted, hey, there's two genders.
All of a sudden, no, that's not true.
That's regressive.
That's backward.
There's a bunch of genders.
um So I think obviously there's a big difference between if you take something that is,
and I think that's a larger thing in our culture, is this belief that nothing is black and
white.
Right?
Like there's always like some nuance or some gray area or there's always like some kind of
in between like not even gender is black and white.
You know, you could be, you might have male parts, but if you feel like a woman or
identify as a woman, then you can be a woman, et cetera, et cetera.
But even that goes deeper into, you know, this really is the main issue where can my
thoughts and my my thoughts, my feelings more valid than physical reality.
And that's kind of what it boils down to.
So even if the physical reality is I have male parts and the wiring that goes with it, I
feel like a woman.
Right.
And then that became this cultural phenomenon that
You have to refer to me as a woman.
I have the rights and privileges of a woman.
I can go where women should go.
All those different kinds of things simply because of a non-physical phenomenon, which
might be a thought or a feeling or whatever it may be.
And around this time, which is really interesting, you know, we talked about gender
dysphoria around this time, the DSM, which, you know, catalogs different mental, you know,
thought disorders, et cetera, changed.
changed the listing to gender dysphoria.
Before that, it was called gender identity disorder.
This idea of a male thinking that they're a female or a female thinking that they're a
male.
And, you know, they kind of took that word disorder out of it, I think.
And there's articles about this because they were lobbied by activists, by transgender
activists.
Hey, it's not a disorder, it's something else.
You know what I mean?
It's, yeah, it's normal.
And it's only dysphoria if it causes you angst.
So if you're a male that thinks you're a female, you technically don't have gender
dysphoria unless that thought causes you angst and anxiety.
And then now you have gender dysphoria.
But they'll tell you that just male thinking is female or vice versa.
That isn't necessarily gender dysphoria if it doesn't cause you any issues.
So that's kind of just the intro.
feel like I've been rambling a while now, but I think that's kind of the first departure
twofold.
One, how do we understand gender?
And two, what do we trust more?
What's more valuable?
My thoughts and my feelings or physical reality.
And that I think is part of more of like a broader philosophical movement where we've been
talking about, know, feelings and these kinds of things are, and even thoughts are valued
more than objective reality, which is what's, you know, actually there, whether it's the
XX or XY chromosomes.
or the, you know, the reproductive organs or whatever it is, my thoughts and my feelings
can override that.
Yeah, we talked about that a little bit a couple episodes ago.
We were talking about the, um, you know, inner feelings become our identity.
And, uh, in that case, the inner feelings are the inner who I think I am that that
overrides reality in the minds of some, uh, but it doesn't really override over, uh,
reality.
Um, but people take it that way.
Right.
um The movement, I'll just use that term, the transgender movement, the transgender ideas,
they turn upside down God's plan.
And what I mean by that is to say that this movement puts sexuality first, then comes my
identity.
So let me figure out my sexuality then that will determine who and what I am.
Whereas if you look at the Bible, in Genesis chapter 1, first comes the identity.
God says, I'm going to make man in my image.
I'm going to make male and female.
That's what a human being is.
You're a being, soul, made in God's image that is either one male or two female.
After that, God tells them in verse 28, now you too that are humans, that are made in my
image, that are both male and female, you too are the ones that will have a uh shared
sexuality together so you go and replenish the earth.
Whereas in our current time, it's like no, first I'm gonna be sexual being.
Then I will determine my identity.
So it kind of turns God's plan on its head.
you know there there there are individuals who really do stroke and not all of it what i
say is just kind of pre-perversion their problem that's probably the majority of that's my
personal opinion there's some people who probably do have some sort of disorder where they
do feel confused i may not feel like i'm in the right body i may not feel there may be
real people who suffer real psychological things like that but their people who suffered
all sorts of
psychological things and that doesn't mean I have to act out on it.
You know, there people who may have aversion to this thing or to that thing, but that just
means I need to work on that thing.
So I need to submit to God and I need to put whatever fleshly desires are in congruent
with his word.
I need to put those things to death, period, no matter what they are.
Whether I want to steal, lie, commit fornication, cross dress, whatever it is, I have to
put that to death for the sake of Christ.
And that's where I think a lot of uh these various movements, whether we're talking about
transgender or anything else, they have to be kind of just boiled down.
Okay, what does that one do?
Is it something the guy wants me to do or he doesn't want me to do?
Okay, so then what do I need to do with this action?
And the mindset that goes along with it.
That's another thing.
You can't say, I'm not doing it.
I'm just on a daydream and fantasize about it.
that's wrong too.
And Jesus makes that very clear in Sermon on Mount, Matthew chapter five, ah where Matthew
five, six, and seven where he talks about if you have lust and you've committed adultery
in your mind, and so you can even sin in the thinking, so you have to stop the actions and
the mindset that goes along with it in order to be pleasing to God in a way.
Right.
Absolutely.
Yeah, and there was one of the philosophers way back, maybe it had been Hume, maybe had
been Descartes, the one that said, think therefore I am?
Descartes, okay.
So, yeah, so Descartes, he kind of introduced that, and of course the way he was using it
ontologically to prove the existence of God, but that idea, I think therefore I am.
So that may have started this idea of
what i think can become the reality right and uh...
and i know that my children were born you had to pay extra to have that son of a gram and
being a cheapskate and i i didn't want to do that but it was clear since that baby was
born the first thing they would do to look at the tell you what sex it was look between
the legs is either male or female that's the reality uh...
and god made them male and female genesis one twenty seven that's a reality but someone
can say well i can think that away
And so I can think that that male is female or that female is male.
And that just, you know, that just never, never sat well with me in 2015 when that stuff
started being pressed and coming out.
Right.
But it's like, that's like, if I claim to be a giraffe, you have to treat me like a
giraffe.
I mean, why does that, why do people think that that's okay?
And that's why they had to change the definition of gender first.
Where gender is something that is a spectrum and fluid and something you feel and
something you think and it's not a physical reality.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And you mentioned, you know, Descartes, he, a lot of people think that, you know, his
thinking led to a branch of philosophy or like a school thought that's usually called
nominalism, which is the idea that universals, universal concepts,
don't exist independent of the individual.
And they're just names or words.
They're not really a true reality.
And I think that's at the heart of this, really.
I don't think people who are transgender or transgender activists would call themselves
nominalists, but they are.
Because they're saying, you know, the universals, the objectivity of male and female,
don't really exist.
What exists is how I feel and how I interpret gender and how I express gender, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera.
Even though...
Like for all of society and human history, there was this just basic biological
understanding of gender and male and female.
So I think that, you know, that once you start messing with definitions and words and the
way we think about things, that opens the door for all of this kind of stuff.
You know, and I think we saw that some with the homosexual stuff and some of these other
things, but you definitely see it with the transgender aspect of it.
And you know, obviously, that's something you struggle with.
You know, I'm trapped in the wrong body or whatever.
Maybe you can find a therapist who could help you with that.
But also part of that struggle is I've got to trust what God says over what I feel.
And that's true for everybody.
Yeah, I mean, all of us, we've there's things we've got to do that with, right?
We've got to trust what God says over what we feel.
And God says you alluded to this, Steven, in the beginning, God made them male and female.
you know, simply God did not create a gender spectrum.
He created male and female.
And that is, it's not just, but it is dependent upon the physical, you know, the physical
attributes and the wiring that goes with it.
Now, of course, in rare cases, there's individuals who are known as intersex that may have
both parts.
They used to be called hermaphrodites.
That's not, you know, politically correct anymore.
But even in those cases, they've found it kind of depends on
the exact nature of first off, it's very rare.
But secondly, even in those cases, they've kind of found where, you might have both parts
or parts of both parts.
But generally speaking, and there's an article that we could cite where the former head of
psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University gets into this and talks about this and Dr.
McHugh's his name.
talks about how generally speaking,
You could see, you know, based off a chromosome test, et cetera, how the fetus kind of was
treated as it was growing kind of by the body.
And really what he says to you, if, that fetus was exposed to testosterone in the fetus,
like a, like a boy or like a male fetus would be, then male is kind of the designation
there.
And regardless of what you might do with surgery, et cetera, it's kind of known that
you're a male, you know, so there's still kind of ways to find out.
And I think another cultural thing is kind of where exceptions disprove rules, but that's
not true.
Even if 0.15 % of the population has this anomaly, it's still true that God made human
beings male and female.
And beyond that, kind of in some of the more biblical arguments against this idea and
against transgenderism, not only did God create two genders, two distinct genders, but he
also
we can read about God given gender roles that transcend culture.
Right?
So think about like when Adam and Eve sinned in Genesis three, there were curses to Eve
and there were curses to Adam.
Right?
My pain wasn't multiplied in childbirth because I'm a male, you know, and despite, you
know, modern people who say that males can give birth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, we
all know that that's impossible.
You know, strictly speaking, somebody who's born male.
to give birth.
So, you know, there's things like that where we see in the scriptures where there are
God-given gender roles and definitions, where there's not a gray area, where you can't
blur the lines, know.
Husbands and wives in Ephesians 5.
There's responsibilities wives have, there's responsibility husbands have.
um Young men, old men, younger women, older women, Titus 2, right?
Where God, there's a binary here.
Hey, if you're a male, here's your responsibilities.
If you're female, here's your responsibilities.
um
And the Bible even speaks, know, 1 Corinthians 11 verse 14, there's some things that
nature itself teaches us about gender roles, that it's, you know, wrong for a male to do
certain things, wrong for a female to do certain things, even outside of culture, though
culture sometimes does influence that, where, you know, in the pages of the Bible, it's
very, very clear that gender is a binary, and our feelings or thoughts, to the contrary,
can't overturn that.
I'm gonna add for individuals, there are a lot of people in the world who, especially in
our current time, a lot of people in the world who either would associate themselves with
the various groups, transgender, homosexual for the sake of this conversation,
transgender, who may be searching for a way of hope.
a way out, a better, a higher way of living.
And I to encourage individuals to know that you can be what God wants you to be.
ah You can divorce yourself from certain feelings or certain actions.
ah Jesus said in Matthew chapter 19, he was talking to the Jewish people and they asked
the question, you know, can we just get rid of our wives for any reason?
Pharisees and scribes did and what Jesus did was he looked at a current cultural question
and Addressed it with an ancient eternal truth He said that wasn't how God designed it
from the beginning in the beginning God made male and female and so whatever the cultural
climate is or whatever the flavor of the day question of the day is the the answer is
always going to be what has God said and so for individuals that are struggling I would
point to this passage of scripture because after Jesus addresses the initial question, he
said, listen, there are some people who want to go to heaven who have made a certain
decision.
It's in Matthew chapter nine, verses 11 and 12, where Jesus said, uh, all men can't
receive the same save data whom it is given.
So in other words, there will be people who struggle with the regulations relative to
marriage.
And so perhaps if you can't deal with it, then you shouldn't be married, but those who are
married, this is for you.
And in verse 12 he says, there are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother's
womb, that's to say certain individuals cannot engage in intimate romantic relations and
that is so from birth.
So there are some who make eunuchs of men.
So there were some people who maybe experienced castration and other such things where
they were unable to engage in romantic intimate relations.
But he also said,
Oh.
There are some who have made themselves to be eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
So there are individuals who chose abstinence for the sake of heaven.
Now, we can do the same thing.
If a person is, you know, if you are single and you say, I just struggle, I'm attracted
to, you know, the opposite sex and I wanna have sex, or I'm attracted to the same sex and
I wanna have sex.
If you desire heaven and if you love Christ,
there is a way that you can still be pleasing to God.
You have to choose God.
You have to choose, perhaps putting those things to the side.
You have to choose abstinence.
You have to choose sexual purity so that you can be pleasing to God.
And I don't want to paint the picture that that's just an easy decision.
Once you've tasted the fruits of sexuality, it's difficult to turn those things off, but
it's possible.
And Jesus said, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.
So if heaven...
is beautiful enough for you, if eternity with God is beautiful enough for you, and
hopefully it is, then you will choose God over, you know, momentary pleasures of this
world.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's a great point.
think too, you you've got to have the understanding that um God is worth it, I guess, for
lack of a better term.
You know what I mean?
And I think that's what we've got to try to share with people.
And you'll find that over and again, there are people in the scriptures who chose God over
other things.
I think about Zacchaeus, he's like, look, I'll give away everything.
And on the other side of the coin though, you think of the rich young ruler who said, hey
listen, how can I go to heaven?
Jesus says, here's how you can go to heaven.
And he says, man, I can't do it.
I'm gonna choose my stuff.
That's like one of the most sad passages in the scriptures, to me at least, because here
he literally goes to the right person at the right time, asks the right question, gets the
right answer, and he has the wrong response to it.
It's like, no, no, no, this life is good enough for me.
I'm gonna choose, even if he lived a hundred more years beyond that, he's gonna have
eternity separated from God.
eternity in darkness, eternity in torment in a place that wasn't even designed for him.
Simply because he wanted momentary pleasure.
And there will be people who will choose momentary pleasure over momentary struggle and
momentary abstinence to have eternal joy and bliss.
To me that's just like the greatest flim flam.
I can't think of another word.
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Yeah, and to piggyback off of something that Forrest was talking about earlier about, I
read something not too long ago that talked about the difference between sex and gender,
sex and gender, and it would say that, you know, sex is what you're born with
biologically, so they would call that biological, and then gender is what every person has
to choose for himself, and they try to connect that into societal rules and stuff, and so
some people that don't want to be a female gender
because of that culture's rules, they'll just say, well, I'm male because I'm with the
other rule.
But again, even that doesn't hold water, if you will.
was thinking about, and this was mentioned earlier about the roles of male and female men
and women throughout 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus.
But, know, in Titus chapter 2, where he's talking about the older women, one thing's there
to admonish the younger women to love their husbands.
to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, obedient to their own
husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
So even culturally, there's that, know, even, well, you know, there's some roles that are
universal, know, childbirth, for example.
know, there's God only made women for that.
And then other roles, there may be different, like, you know, sometimes, um like in
Africa, I guess a lot of cultures, it's the women that go fetch the water.
Maybe in some cultures it's the man, I don't know.
I don't know of any culture, do you?
Nah, was just turning the tap on.
But the point is, know, those roles, know, some of those roles may be different or maybe
different in different cultures or whatever, but still, there's only male and female.
Right.
gender is not determined by
role.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I think that's one of those things, you know, even the distinction between gender and
sex is totally novel for again, to reinstate kind of this transgender movement and idea.
And again, you know, there might be cultural manifestations of gender for, but that
doesn't mean that gender is something you pick.
Right.
And I think that's where people get off base today where it's like,
You know, like with the babies, for example, blue is for boys, pink is for girls.
That's just our cultural thing.
You know what mean?
That's not like in God's word that blue is a boy color and pink is a girl color.
You know, like that's just a cultural thing.
uh Or like playing with Barbies, that's a girl thing.
That's our culture's understanding, right?
But if little Timmy's playing with Barbies, that doesn't mean he's a girl.
Right?
Right?
That means little Timmy's playing with Barbies.
um So, you know, to kind of look for, and I think that's kind of the really dangerous side
of the transgender thing is where I'm looking for these hints, my young child's behavior,
preferences, et cetera, to see what their gender is going to be.
And if little Timmy does like playing dress up and does like playing with Barbies and does
like, et cetera, there's states right now where I can give little Timmy puberty blockers.
so that he doesn't enter puberty and become, you know, sexually mature so that he can
choose, give him more time to choose for himself.
If he wants to have surgery to have quote unquote gender affirming care and be sterilized
for the rest of his life and turn his God given boy parts into manmade attempts at woman
parts.
Right?
So that whole enterprise.
Yeah.
is just kind of where this thing has gone off the rails.
And I think it's a metaphor, not a metaphor, but an illustration of one simple little
thing that God has said where man has rebelled.
Once you get off the tracks, I mean, it leads to all kinds of just, mean, I don't want to
call it insanity.
I to be sensitive to these people, but all kinds of things that are just way, way, way
outside of the scope.
of what God wants for us.
I think you see that with the young people.
And ah then just the way it's celebrated in culture, and there is kind of a social
contagion element to transgenderism, where young people especially, especially young
girls, the more people who are trans around them, the more likely they are to be trans,
right?
Where it's kind of like a social movement or something.
more than it is really like what the activists are saying it is.
It's not a genuine decision.
It's, all my friends are doing this.
I'm going to do it too.
And that's a way to be celebrated in culture.
mean, when Bruce Jenner won the Arthur Ashe Courage Award, we're saying, hey, if you want
to be celebrated, if you want to be a hero, do what he did, right?
Which is, of course, rebel against God and deny the nature that God has made.
And even though there's cultural distinctions in gender,
Those distinctions still are to be respected, I would say.
You know, and think we've got that passage in Deuteronomy 22 verse 5, a woman shall not
wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these
things is an abomination to the Lord your God.
And now people say, well, that's been abused in the past.
You know, they wouldn't let women wear pants, all this different stuff.
But I think people need to sit down and think about what does that passage teach us?
Like, I think there is a principle there.
that applies even to our culture where the distinction between the sexes or between
genders, same thing, is divinely instituted and is to not be muddled with or meddled with,
right?
Where there are roles, responsibilities, jobs, et cetera, for women, and there are roles,
responsibilities, jobs, et cetera, for men.
And those are, those do correlate to your physical reality.
And your gender is not subjective, it is not malleable, it is not whatever you want it to
be.
It is what God has made it.
And I think that's really where we try to get people to the point where your identity is
not found in your gender, especially if your gender can change a hundred times a day,
which is what the activists are saying.
That's where I'm going to build my identity on?
That's depressing, you know?
Find your identity in being a child of God and having that union with Christ, that union
with God's people.
And something that's more important than gender, right?
Where you can have unity, where there is no more, you know, no male, no female, no slave,
no free, no Jew, no Greek, but we're all in Christ.
One in Christ.
Exactly.
Where, you know, I have my role based on my gender, but that's not what defines me.
You know, primarily I'm defined as a Christian.
I think that's where we've got to try to get people to go, to find the forgiveness and the
hope and the life worth living that's found in Jesus.
is also now kind of a.
an argument to be made for the spectrum of masculinity of a person.
if you're, you know, 6'9", 250, you have a beard, wear flannel, that's one guy.
Then the other fellow who's 5'2", thin, you know, uh that's a insult.
Skinny.
But the level of testosterone that you may develop, ah how deep your voice may be, how
strong you may be, and those sorts of things, how much testosterone you may have, how
virile you may be.
be in other ways doesn't determine your gender.
You have chromosomes that determine who you are.
God has made us who and what we are.
And so you can't look at the guy and say, see this person over here because he's got the
beard, the big barrel chest, he wears flannel.
That's a hundred percent man.
But then you have kind of this more, and he may actually have a feminine qualities.
know men, men,
and they are a little bit more gentle and effeminate with their, the way they may talk or,
know.
It's just who they are.
mean, they may even like more domestic things.
They may cook or bake or sing or do whatever else, you who knows.
But that doesn't mean that now your, your sexuality or your gender is something different.
You are what you are.
Your hobbies and the way you act or behave, that's something totally different.
That's the personality thing, you know.
a lot of that's cultural too, I feel like.
Yeah, where they grew up, yeah.
Absolutely, yeah being in certain countries.
yeah there I went to high school with a fella and He is brand new to America and he would
like to hug and you know it was okay for guys to hold hands That was bizarre Yeah, and
it's like I'm some young kid from Detroit and he holds hands it's like yeah, that's weird,
but for him It's like this is what guys do.
Yeah, my friend but
that doesn't make you into something else.
That makes you a person who does X.
It doesn't change your identity.
That's why if you go back, God gave identity first, then there's the sexuality.
And they're really interwoven together.
But the identity is what we are, who we are, not the way we practice sexuality.
Right.
That's a good point.
And I think about, you know, some of those things being cultural, like the same David who
wrote poetry and played, you know, um the instrument he had so good that he was sent to
King Saul.
The harp.
Yeah, it's the same David that killed his thousands and thousands.
You know what mean?
Like in our mind, those are two different guys.
There's no way the same guy could be a warrior and a poet.
you know what I mean?
But I think some of that's just the pigeonhole we've kind of dug in our own culture where
we've got to let God, but when God speaks to gender roles, that is for everybody
everywhere.
You know what I mean?
Culture might say one thing, you know, blue and pink, whatever.
And I think it's wise not to transgress those things as much as we can, but.
When God says, this is women's responsibility, men's responsibility, et cetera, then
you've got to stick with that.
And I want to be sensitive to those who have mental struggles and maybe even mental
disorders.
But really, at end of the day, it is rebellion against God.
Where we're saying gender is not what God has made.
Gender is not what God says it is.
Gender is what we feel it is or what we think it is.
And as we've seen in our culture over the past 10 years.
When you do that, it's a disaster and you have all kinds of unintended consequences.
And there's going to be a whole crop of people who grow up resenting their parents and
resenting the trans movement because they were sterilized and puberty blocked and all this
other stuff when they couldn't even consent to it.
You know, so, and I think that's where even we've got to stay in the line of God's word,
even on the little things.
Because when comes to what God has said, the little things are big things and turn into
bigger things.
you think there's more than two genders, so what?
So what?
That's a big deal.
You know what mean?
One, really, it to that a lot.
And even with that, you still are what you are, even with perverted behavior.
And by perverted behavior, unnatural.
uh God still says the men were doing this and the women were doing that.
So even there, God is, by Paul's pen,
demonstrating that there's just two groups of people as it to genders.
And they were both perverting what they were supposed to be doing, though that's kind of a
separate issue of homosexuality, but it boils down to here is something that's unnatural
that men or human beings are doing that they want to do.
But it's contrary to what God says, and no matter what, it's still sin, no matter how many
people may root us on for it, and how many people may approve of it.
yeah i think uh...
romans one i think it's good on that because it says unit when against nature they when he
is nature right and her picture long time ago Forest his private four two thousand fifteen
east about these women and i can hear that he's women where these lumberjack shirts talk
about the voice injecting themselves with hemorrhoids i mean steroids but you know he was
making line of that but you can't get more against nature if you're using purely blockers
of rare
injecting these hormones that don't belong there naturally?
Well think about that, like to be my true self, I've got to take medicine that didn't
exist 50 years ago, and I have to have a surgery that didn't exist 20 years ago.
And that's the only way I can be my true natural self.
That boggles the mind, it makes no sense.
to fight against my actual body, actual chemistry in order to become whatever it is I
think I
to bring my physical reality into subjection of my mental reality.
It should be the other way around.
Bring your mental reality into subjection of your physical reality, right?
And like, I think people don't realize reality's undefeated.
Like you can fight against it all you want.
And it's always gonna hit back super hard.
You know, that's the way God designed it.
So, and you know, obviously grace is available, but we've got to tow the line on this kind
of stuff because
It's a big deal, you know, and what God has made in the genders matters and what he says
about it matters.
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