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A thirst quenching podcast for the girls, gays, theys, & astrology baes where we talk about anything & EVERYTHING through an astrological lens.
What do you think was the downfall of our relationship? And that was a test because I'm like, let's see if
Siren:she goes crazy. I know it's like a continuous cycle of me trying to meet you where you were at.
Serena:Our Venus square each other. I have a Gemini Venus, and she has a Virgo Venus. You know, squares attend to aspects. I started dating someone, they were like, I want you zero contact with Serena. What would you say?
Serena:Welcome, guys. This is Tee from the Galaxy, a thirst quenching podcast for the Girls Gays Days and Astrology Bays, where we talk about anything and everything through an astrological lens. What's better month to do this episode than Pride Month? Are your stereotypical lesbian woman loving woman, exes are still friends. This is my ex girlfriend.
Serena:I want to show out for the stereotypical, you know, queer woman. Yes. The one and only sound healer, siren, Julio NoMikos. Love your name.
Siren:Everyone that comes
Serena:on this podcast, I like to ask a couple questions, your age, pronouns, your sexual identity, and your big three.
Siren:Okay. My age, I'm 24. I identify as a lesbian. Happy Friday. Yay.
Siren:I am a Leo within Aries Moon and a Pisces rising.
Serena:Love it. First and foremost, do you think exes can be friends? That's kind of a loaded question.
Siren:Can I say yes and no?
Serena:Yeah. Yes and no. I I will also say yes and no, but I guess we can kind of get into that later. How we met. When people would ask how we met, I love telling the story and you would be like, rolling your eyes.
Serena:Yes. I would. I'm like, damn.
Siren:Because he was so stereotypical. Was like, damn. No. It's not.
Serena:Let me over romanticize this a little bit. Stereotypical in a way that we met on Hinge. Exactly. But it was on November 1, like, 01/11. Okay.
Serena:Hello. 11/01/2023. And scrolling on Hinge, your page pops up. I was like, who is this beautiful girl? To the point that, like, not even, like, swipe left.
Serena:You know when someone is so beautiful that you think that you don't even have a shot so you don't even wanna shoot your shot. That was that. Also, I think being like fems, you never know if a fem is likes other fems. So real. Fems like masks.
Serena:So of my life. I like both. I did both fems and masks.
Siren:I don't. She's a fem for fem girl. I am fem for fem. Which worked out in my favor. Yeah.
Siren:It did work out in your favor.
Serena:I was gonna scroll past it. I was like, I probably don't even have a shot.
Siren:Can't believe you even thought that in the first place.
Serena:Yeah. No. Was like staring at your profile for like a hot minute. Yeah. I was just like looking at the pictures and I was like debating, which I don't I don't usually do.
Siren:Your subconscious knew it was gonna be something. Yeah, probably. There was resistance there. You were fighting it.
Serena:And it's so funny because that day I feel like was a moment of a timeline shift because not only did that happen that day on November 1, but I also applied for a new job that day and it's the same job that I work currently. So it's just like I completely walked into it like a different timeline. Yeah. I feel like. You did.
Serena:You posted, honestly. And then my mindset completely shifted and it went from instead of me being too scared to shoot my shot, I was like, no. I want her to actually notice me right away. So I sent her like the rose on hinge. No, you get like two free roses or something like that.
Serena:I don't know. I don't pay for premium the fuck I look like out here paying for premium. Like, I'm not that thirsty. Okay. So but I never sent a rose before but basically when you send a rose, you're at the top of their likes.
Serena:So they see your profile Something like that. And I was like, I'm sending her a rose. So sent her a rose because I was like, I need to be at the top of her page.
Siren:It was so interesting too because I've never really been a dating app kind of person. I'm like a very natural organic kind of girly. I didn't really wanna put myself out on dating apps too much because I didn't really feel like I would kind of like attract or just like get what I was looking for. So on that day, I just, like, felt a random urge to, like, go on it after not being on it for, like, six months. And then she popped up, and I was like, I'm like, who is this?
Serena:Who are you? I need
Siren:to know everything about you. As a matter of fact, what are your favorite flowers? When are you going on a date?
Serena:Oh, yeah, think we planned like our first five days, like, like the Yeah. Third conversation we had.
Siren:It was very intense. We like talked twenty four seven all the time for, like, a month. Lesbian. Yeah. Yeah.
Siren:She made me a playlist. So after, like, a week and a half of knowing me
Serena:Oh, yeah. We both bought each other flowers on our first day.
Siren:Hence, I made mine. I bought flowers from different places because I asked her what her favorite flowers were and I made them. I made it with my hands. I did too. Yeah.
Serena:You did. I sent a picture to my friends in my group chat and I was like, yeah. This is why I just can't date men. I would not go all out for a man like this. That was November 2023, and we dated for like a month.
Serena:But I feel like I wasn't ready because I just got out of a relationship even two months prior. It just felt like you are too good of a soul for me to be playing around. Obviously, we were on two different weight blanks. You wanted something serious, and I didn't. So and I also needed to heal myself a lot too.
Serena:So I felt like I didn't want to hurt someone. And, in the midst of me healing myself, I think there was a lot of pressure. There's a lot of things happening, like, going through my brain at the time. Yeah. So then we had to separate after the month.
Serena:No contact for, like, two months? Or Yeah. We were no contact for, like two months? Two months after that. But we still supported each other
Siren:Mhmm.
Serena:Through social media and stuff. Sarin's a sound healer. I'm an astrologer. Always supported each other's journeys in that
Siren:and Yeah.
Serena:Had that underlying understanding. You were an RBT at the time. Yeah. I was I'm bartending. You know, these are just,
Siren:like, the hustling jobs, but we both have bigger dreams. She honestly mirrored that back to me when we first met and was the catalyst of the beginning of why I ended up leaving the the NRT after three years.
Serena:Yeah. Because not only a siren a sound tailor, but she's a singer, and she's an amazing singer. So I'm like, what are you doing? Like, you need to pursue this more. Yeah.
Serena:I was literally like to the point where I I would be your freaking manager. Yeah. I was like, you need to get on social media. You need to post more. You need to do this.
Serena:Get on TikTok. Just put yourself out there. It's very cap. Moon of you. I think that Entrepreneur mindset.
Serena:Let's hustle. Let's hustle, baby. What are we doing? We got dreams. Yeah.
Serena:Let's build it. I think that
Siren:was the biggest difference. It still is the biggest difference between you and I. I think we both hustle, but we just do it in different ways.
Serena:Oh, yeah. It starts like a fairy.
Siren:Like a sergeant.
Serena:Yeah. Literally, that's like capricorn. Todo list. What are we doing? Are you following the
Siren:do list? I'm like, girl,
Serena:I just wanna vibe. Yeah.
Siren:And I'm like, vibe.
Serena:Yeah. Vibe. You do have a cat
Siren:moon. There's no vibing. You don't know how to vibe, girl. You could
Serena:barely, like, let yourself sleep sleep in for a whole day, honestly. I know. Very I am an extremist, you know. So I think because I'm a full moon, baby. I'm a a Cancer Sun Capricorn moon.
Serena:So I have the days where I'm like bumming it out and then it becomes too bummy. And I have the days where I'm hustling too much and I burn myself out.
Siren:Yeah. I need to find a happy balance.
Serena:Yeah. I'm still trying to find that happy balance. I feel like I'm finding it now. We reconnected two months later. I think we definitely needed that separation.
Siren:Yeah. But it wasn't enough time.
Serena:Being a siren, I was like, I need to go to therapy. Like, was in I'm in the streets. I'm in the streets, baby. But every other girl, I was just like, I didn't care. Like, I was a dick.
Serena:I was a dick. I did not care. I was I'm sorry. Then I was like, I need therapy. But I started therapy and my therapist sucks.
Siren:Had effect on people.
Serena:Yeah. I see it's rising. Yes. Tried therapy. Therapists didn't work.
Serena:She was shitty. She was so shitty.
Siren:You did have a shitty therapist.
Serena:My therapist fell asleep on me. My therapist needed a therapist. There was something going on with her. She fell asleep two times. After the second time, this I was like, this is not gonna work.
Serena:In a period of where I thought I was healing myself, I wasn't because I just was doing the same shit that I was doing. And I mean, was a lot of self reflection happening, obviously. But
Siren:you were doing things on your exterior that made you feel good. So in turn, you thought you felt good within, but you really hadn't given yourself the time to
Serena:say Yeah. Say that you were flowing through. Say that end of twenty twenty three and the first half of 2024 was like one big manic episode. I feel like
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:I was just doing things, whatever so I didn't have to feel an extreme emotion. Whatever type of numbing and escaping that was, I was doing it and consuming in it. So when we reconnected again, it was now it's the January. It was very platonic and innocent. Went to a sound bath of sirens.
Siren:Mhmm.
Serena:Very innocent. I just went to support. And then I was selling crystal candles at the time. I was working a lot of markets and ladies nights and stuff, and then she was supporting me as well.
Siren:I'd go to every single one of her Every
Serena:single one.
Siren:And sit with her the whole time.
Serena:That's not fire placement. Siren has a Leo stellium on top of having a Leo sun. She has a Leo stellium.
Siren:And then Eiris Moon. Eiris Moon. In my So second house.
Serena:I guess very I feel like you get very, obsessive. Very
Siren:Yes. I was obsessed very,
Serena:very, quickly.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:Hanging out a lot and seeing each other a lot. We just kinda reconnected romantically. Yeah. And yeah. So that was probably, like, what, the February or something?
Siren:It was the February.
Serena:Yes. I obviously, I don't regret our relationship at all. I do regret maybe the speed of how things were going Yeah. Fast as it, you know, came up as as fast as it went out. So then we broke up, like, the July.
Serena:So I feel like it went out pretty quickly. I would say I am slower moving. Yeah. I'm not like a fast moving lesbian because I just feel like you don't know me. Like, that's a big thing.
Serena:I'm like, you don't know me. Yeah. So how do you how can you have such strong feelings? Scorpio rising. Just like that.
Serena:I'm like, you don't know me. I'm like that with friendships. I'm like that in romantic relationships. I'm like that with coworkers. Yeah.
Serena:If someone likes me a lot immediately, I'm like, how? You don't know me. Even though like I know that I'm that bitch, but like I'm like, how do you like me so much? You don't know me. Like, I think it's a defense mechanism too.
Serena:The second time around, I did feel your patience and it was appreciated, but I also felt pressure. When we first met, I was like ready immediately.
Siren:Yeah. The second time around though, after like getting to know each other a little more and just like understanding how you work, learning to love you was also learning how to how you operate and just like how you take things. So like, I feel like I tried my best to to match that or just like meet you where you were at. And it was like a continuous cycle of me trying to meet you where you were at.
Serena:I feel like a downfall off rip are moon signs squaring each other. They make a tense aspect. I have a Capricorn moon. She has an Aries moon. So it forms a square.
Serena:And in astrology, it's a tense aspect. Aries moons, I feel like move at a at their own speed. A lot of the times, it's quickly. Capricorns move a little bit more slowly, need a lot more patience with things. They process emotions very differently than an Aries moon.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:So I also felt like the speed of how we process things was a downfall. Yes. Agreed. I think we were just both trying to see each other as, like, perfect person in a way and it just wasn't clicking. Yeah.
Serena:The best way I could describe it is we were like two different puzzle pieces that were not boxes.
Siren:Yeah. They weren't fitting.
Serena:Yeah. I I think there was a lot that was very good about our relationship. There was a lot that was very different. And as much as we tried to make it work, I feel like we just couldn't. But I feel like something that drew me to you, and I, like, do believe this is I do believe that we've spent past lifetimes together.
Serena:We just clicked. Even when I saw her name was Siren and my name is Serena. I'm like Serena Serena.
Siren:Like That was something we'd get all the time. Oh my god. Siren and Serena.
Serena:We both have mermaids on the same arm in the same position. So, you know, the type of lesbians that we are, we were like, oh my god. It's meant to be.
Siren:It was meant to be. Yeah. Like, this is meant to be. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I feel like I mean, you were my best friend.
Serena:So As the Gemini Venus person that I am, that is very important for me. A friends to lovers type thing is what I like, and that's why I like slow moving. Not only am I, weary of people, but my Venus side of me is I'm like, how are you with my friends? How are you around your friends? How are you when we go out?
Serena:How are you around your family? Like, I like seeing different sides to people because I know there's different sides to people. So I like being in an observance before I commit. That's just Yeah. How I am.
Serena:I'm not I don't move, with impulsivity Yeah. Which is, you know, big fire sign things,
Siren:which is
Serena:very fire dominated. I'm very water dominated. Yes. So I need to move a little bit more slower with the Capricorn moon. So now I have a lot of water placements, but Capricorn So
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:Feeling a lot, but I'm not processing it at the speed of light at, like, siren. So, like, she would be ready to talk about things and I'm like, woah. I don't even know what I'm feeling right now on top of not even that that's just it. I was just processing a lot, like, prior to Siren that Yeah. I didn't process at all.
Siren:Yeah. I know. So It came up during our relationship, which was another thing too. Like, you weren't ready.
Serena:I definitely wasn't ready, and I was trying to convince myself that I was ready. Yeah. Because Saren was such a great person. We had a great friendship. I felt very comfortable around her
Siren:Mhmm.
Serena:Which doesn't come easy to for me. I have a lot of friends. I have a lot of acquaintances. But for me to show a certain side of me, you know, you're special for that. Yeah.
Serena:Not a lot of people sees that side of me. Biggest mistake was just because someone loves me so much and has treated me so good that this is meant to be. Yeah. And why I feel bad. I mean, until this day that I kind of led us into a relationship.
Serena:I'm the one who tried to be my girlfriend. In the moment, it's how I truly felt. Yeah. And At the end
Siren:the day, is what I wanted, but but a part of me at that time also knew that you weren't ready.
Serena:Yeah. Which I wish you I know. Expressed that more to me. Yeah. But I don't understand why you didn't feel comfortable expressing certain things to me because I felt like I was a ticking time bomb.
Serena:It's almost like you got what you wanted. Right? From the moment that we met. It's she it's like she finally got what she wanted. Why would I say anything to Yeah.
Serena:To make Serena run away?
Siren:You know? There were a lot of things I feel like I operated from that space and should have been more upfront about what I was seeing.
Serena:Yeah. We're both water risings. We're very intuitive. So we're like,
Siren:we feel what you're feeling,
Serena:but you're not expressing it. So now she's feeling that for me. She's noticing something I'm not noticing about myself. I'm feeling that something is off about her. So now my my now I'm triggered.
Serena:So it was just like we're back and forth like triggering each other. Yeah. But our communication was great. We would talk we both have Leo Mercury's. We would talk all day every day about topics like you we had a great communication.
Serena:We talked about things. But important things It would hard.
Siren:Yeah. It was hard. It was hard to be vulnerable. I just think you didn't know how to Mhmm. In the right ways, at least.
Siren:And I just didn't feel safe and was not I just was scared.
Serena:I've come from a lot of really harsh relationships in the past. And Yeah. So I felt like I was self sabotaging a little bit. I was being very avoidant. That is definitely something that I'm working on till this day.
Serena:The relationship with Zara helped me unlearn was like love doesn't equal pain. So, you know, when you come from a long line of very painful relationships where it's like fighting every single day. And you also grew up like that too. Yeah. When you enter a relationship that's not like that.
Serena:Now, you want to create that. So I wouldn't say I would fight with you, but I felt like No.
Siren:I would You test me.
Serena:I would test her.
Siren:Yeah. And I would be like I wouldn't bite back.
Serena:There was this one situation. I'm still friends with a girl that I used to like hook up with. Ask you like how you felt about that.
Siren:Yeah. Remember that.
Serena:And that was a test. Because I'm like, let's see if
Siren:she goes crazy. I didn't. I didn't care.
Serena:So I was I was like, okay.
Siren:I trust you.
Serena:And I'm like, she's gonna turn crazy though.
Siren:No. That's like, that's
Serena:something that I that I also dealt with.
Siren:Yeah. You were just waiting for like the ball to drop. Like, I felt like I kept showing her who I was and then it like wasn't enough for her to like see that I was who I said I was and I was not gonna like switch up. Like, you're just waiting for Yeah.
Serena:I was waiting for the shoe to drop.
Siren:Yeah. And it just was never gonna drop.
Serena:Because that's something that I I make my response. Yeah. Of how we were maneuvering and stuff like that, there was just a lot that I think didn't click Yeah. Our relationship.
Siren:I agree. And long term as well too.
Serena:Long term as well too.
Siren:We don't align in a lot of things.
Serena:So ultimately, what do you think was the downfall of our relationship?
Siren:That's a loaded question.
Serena:From your point of view? I'm the one who broke up with Siren. Yeah.
Siren:I think I just kept trying to force you to be something you weren't. Yeah. And like subconsciously, honestly, just, like, wanted to be each other's person so bad and, like, we loved each other so much. But, like, at the end of the day, you need to have compatibility.
Serena:Mhmm.
Siren:Like, love is not just attraction and, you know, checking some boxes. It's like you need to be compatible. And over time we just like kept seeing that we just weren't compatible and we still tried to make it work. At least I did. I was like glasses, I can't see.
Siren:Yeah. I was like, doesn't matter. We're gonna make it work because I love her. But my relationship with you taught me that you could love someone so much. It doesn't mean that they're your person or the right person for you.
Siren:Yeah. That love isn't everything. Specifically with what you were flowing through in your life and also in my life, we just weren't meshing.
Serena:Yeah. Yeah. And I think everything happens for a reason. Very different extreme points of our life. Like I was working three jobs and Siren just quit her full time job.
Serena:So Yeah. I feel like, yeah, you can say timing is a thing, but I think the universe just showed us what it what we're like to to an extreme.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:And that was definitely a downfall where I was stressing a lot about working all my jobs and, you know, Siren has a lot of free time. So now I feel like we were just not clicking in that way, and I felt like I I mean, you said it best, like, felt like you wanted me to be someone who I wasn't. Wanted to be different for you too. Yeah. And that's where I started crumbling in my brain too because I'm Yeah.
Serena:I was like, but I'm just not like that type of person.
Siren:Yeah. And The love languages thing too. Was like a big downfall for us. We just like the way that we showed love and just like the way that we give and receive love is so so so different. Yeah.
Siren:And we were just like trying to meet each other's needs, but we just couldn't. Let's bring it
Serena:back to astrology. Our Venuses square each other. I have a Gemini Venus, and she has a Virgo Venus. As, you know, square is a tense aspect. So I will say the positive about that is a Virgo and Gemini are both ruled by Mercury, the planet Mercury.
Serena:Mhmm. So communication is very important. You know, simulating conversations are very important. Being able to just keep up, like, mentally and intellectually is very important.
Siren:I feel like we did that.
Serena:Yeah. Right. But, you know, it causes a tense aspect. So just needed a little bit more maybe freedom. Mhmm.
Serena:I can be many different things and be friends with many many different people. And I wanna go out and I wanna associate. I wanna,
Siren:like, be this, this, and that.
Serena:And I felt like you have your tribe, your people, your thing, and you're very much in your world, and I can be in three different worlds at once.
Siren:That's very Gemini Venus of you. That's interesting you say that. You used that word, freedom word. Yeah. Because I feel like I didn't restrict you specifically to do things, but I think you might have subconsciously felt like you couldn't do certain things because you knew that.
Siren:I just am not like that.
Serena:I felt like I was, like, forcing you and dragging you to do things. I'll be like, let's go to the bar and let's have fun. But I did actually wanna do those things too. Yeah. But you would have fun.
Serena:Yeah. Well, yes, I did.
Siren:I had fun too. Okay.
Serena:For me, was like, I
Siren:was just happy to be there. I was happy to be wherever she was.
Serena:Yeah. But that's the thing. Like, I felt like you were a an extension of me. I felt like I was dragging you around versus if you generally wanted to do those things Yeah. You would mesh better in those environments.
Serena:Like, you were you would just be, like, on me or, like, you wouldn't be your own person. And as a Gemini Venus, like, we like going to things together but being our own people and then coming back. You know what I mean? I felt like you're and this is where the love languages come into. You're very touchy and physical touch and like, you know, very need to be on me.
Serena:And I'm not like that. I feel like you can blend well in situations, but also no at the same time because there was a lot of situations where I felt like you you you couldn't like hold your own or or very obvious where you felt uncomfortable.
Siren:Yeah. There were certain certain times, not all the times.
Serena:And I felt bad. It's not like Yeah. It's not a bad quality, but I felt bad that things that was fun to me made you feel uncomfortable and vice versa too. Things you would bring or she would bring me to. I'm like, I don't wanna be here.
Siren:We're talking past tense, but like just lack of boundaries and security of self, I think too was a big thing for me. And then also just like being an extension of you and like being okay with that. Yeah. Like now I wouldn't be okay with that. Yeah.
Siren:But everything's
Serena:a learning lesson. A positive about our relationship is you have an Earth Venus, I have an Earth Moon. So a big love language that we are very similar on is act of acts of service. Yes. So Siren is very big on acts of service and that's probably my number one love language.
Serena:I would say that of service and quality time is number one equally. Yeah. Because she has the Virgo Venus and also a six house stellium. The six house rules things of like it's an at service house. Yeah.
Serena:So when you have planets in that house, you naturally innately are just very Yeah. You know, giving person. You like serving people and being at service. Yeah. So you're meant to be in that realm.
Serena:Pisces rising, sixth house stellium, Virgo Venus, like what she's doing right now being at service for people is very like on brand for her birth chart.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:So I really do love that quality. But I think having the having the earth Venus with the earth moon is great for me, but wasn't good for The rest of what with the rest of my chart. Investments. Yeah.
Siren:Yeah. I think. Some very touching. Yeah. I love that.
Siren:She doesn't.
Serena:Can I be honest about something? Yeah. So Uh-oh. I'm not a physical touch person where I I definitely don't like when people are like up my ass all the time. Yeah.
Serena:And like give me some space to Yeah. But I think the moment that I clocked in my brain that we weren't working anymore, the chemistry just started crackling for me. Yeah. And I stopped seeing you as a romantic partner.
Siren:Yeah. I know.
Serena:So when you would try to be touchy with me,
Siren:I was like Yeah.
Serena:You know, I wasn't viewing you in that lens anymore. I know.
Siren:I felt that. Honestly, I think it was like a month before we woke up. I felt that and I would
Serena:try like to prove myself more.
Siren:And it made me feel like I wasn't enough, but not because you made me feel that way, but just because like we shifted. Yeah. Like you stopped looking at me this way, but I didn't. Yeah. Yeah.
Siren:Like I still saw you as my partner and you didn't see me that way.
Serena:Yeah. I think I was like, I was hoping to see something different because when someone loves you so much and I never had that before, like just innocent love, I had love with exceptions or love with, you know, things that
Siren:Conditions.
Serena:Conditions. I love with conditions all the time. When I had unconditional love, I guess, it's kinda like you really want that to work. Right? Why isn't it working?
Serena:Why isn't it working? So I think that was what I was battling in my brain. We view things very similarly, 50% of the time and very differently Yeah. Percent of the time. And I think the differently just, you know, was the biggest downfall.
Serena:Think it was very long term, like, viewing too. Like, I'm like, what is this looking like long term? Yeah. Like, what I what present? I'm in today.
Serena:And I'm like, how are you not in five years from now?
Siren:I don't know if
Serena:that was That was a downfall and everything. Yeah. It was for sure. We're together. I sat her down one time and I was like, so, like, what are we doing in, five years?
Serena:When I have children, what what's what does that look like? And you're like, I saw her getting so nervous.
Siren:I was like
Serena:I'm like, yeah. I I to ask me to be your girlfriend less than a
Siren:month ago. I'm like, can we just flow through this now and get there later?
Serena:Oh, man. I'm like, I need to know.
Siren:She's you're more traditional than me. That's that's another thing too that I feel like just never would have worked because, like, you're just I feel like you're just more, like, traditional, and I'm just more fluid and flowy and, like, open minded.
Serena:Yeah. I'm traditional in a way of what I want in a family. Yeah. Lifestyle, though, I would say more fluid. Like, I definitely don't want your typical nine to five Oh, yeah.
Serena:American Absolutely not. Lifestyle. That A good thing about us, like, were fluid in that way of corporate America, but we were yeah. I was definitely more traditional in my what I value and long term goals, especially surrounding family. Yes.
Serena:So Very much so. I think we we had very different upbringings too. Yeah. We did. I was raised by New Yorkers.
Serena:Very tough, very like fire flight. And I think you you know, I mean,
Siren:you were raised down here
Serena:in Miami. So and raised. So it was just very different. I'm saying that, you know, when you come from two different backgrounds, it's a downfall. Works or it doesn't.
Serena:And I feel like our upbringings cause us to have different
Siren:outlooks too. Yeah. And also just like, you know, when when you get in a relationship with someone and you you start pursuing someone and you don't start falling for them, like, you wanna be able to understand the person you're with. And like sometimes factors like that, like upbringings or just like, not really being so compatible really affects like your capacity to understand the person that you love. And it's like, not your fault that you don't understand them because you're really trying to.
Siren:Yeah. But you just don't understand because you just haven't been through the same things and, or you just like, weren't raised in the same way. Your brains aren't programmed in the same way. So it's like having that understanding is really, really hard. Yeah.
Siren:And I honestly feel like that probably was one of our biggest downfalls. It's like, I, at least for me, I desperately like really wanted to understand you and tried my best to be as understanding as possible. But even though I was saying I was understanding, I still really didn't understand you.
Serena:The moment that I feel like it's not working anymore is the moment that I'm already moving on.
Siren:Yeah. And then for me, like in that moment, I'm like, okay, so how can we fix it? Yeah. I'm like, how can we move forward? How can I understand you?
Siren:Show me, teach me, tell me what I need to do. I guess that's the kind of like lower I am.
Serena:But then, you know, I love you from a friend point of view. So then the friend person in me was like, need you to know when like to call it quits. Yeah. She is like that in her romantic relationships and in her friendships as well. That's the whole Pisces Virgo axis at the end of the day.
Serena:Yeah. Like, they're both delusional but in two different in two different ways, quote unquote delusional. Yeah. And Virgo can be delusional in a way where you're trying to fix someone so hard, so hard, so hard that you're not seeing the reality of the situation, that it's just not working.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:And if they wanted to, they would.
Siren:Yeah. And then the my Pisces just like falls for potential.
Serena:Yeah. And then the Pisces is just completely living in a la la land and seeing the potential and the good in the person and that's why they're sticking around. Pisces Virgo axis Yeah. In a hole.
Siren:Mhmm.
Serena:Like, she has Pisces rising Virgo Venus so she lives on that axis. Yeah. And I think the friend person in me was trying to, like, shake that axis up and be like being like, you know, come back to reality. Some things are worth it. Some things are not.
Siren:For me, honestly, that is one of the things I learned from this relationship was that, for sure, you definitely shook me.
Serena:Yeah. So I think we talked about our moon signs being incompatible and our Venus signs being not compatible as well.
Siren:The sun sign though.
Serena:The sun sign, I'm a Cancer.
Siren:I'm a Leo. We're the complete opposite. We're yin and yangs.
Serena:Opposite, But a lot of Leo but Leos love Cancers in most persons too.
Siren:That's because it's the it's the sun and the moon. It's the the divine mask and the divine
Serena:And the loyalty that Yeah. That they both hold. And they're big on their tribe, their people, where they come from. Yeah. And I think that was, like, something that we both held.
Serena:Yeah. So Leo's love Scorpios and Scorpio love Leo's.
Siren:I do love my Scorpio placements.
Serena:Scorpio rising. I have
Siren:an Aries moon, and my Aries placement loves the intensity of a Scorpio placement because you guys match that, like, the capacity of the intensity of which we have to feel things. So I feel like that's really what draws me to that. Also because Scorpio placements feel equally as Aries placements, but they just like are mysterious about it. They like feel inward and like Aries placements, like we're the opposite. We like have that equal intensity, but we feel outward.
Siren:So we're like, oh, what is that? Like Yeah. Let me learn that.
Serena:Yeah. IRIS placements are also very attracted to people who are rough around the edges. Like, being ruled by Mars, I think you guys like that. Like, what you said mysteriousness Yes. But also you're very attracted to That black Someone that comes with a little bit of baggage.
Serena:You're like, let me unpack it. You're intriguing
Siren:to
Serena:But
Siren:I have a Virgo Venus. So my Virgo is like to be of service. So she'd be trying pick up all the broken people.
Serena:Virgo Venus is struggle and love.
Siren:Oh, yeah. Bring me all the broken people. Let me put you back together.
Serena:Because they're always looking they're fixer offers. They're always looking for people to help and to fix.
Siren:No mess. And back to, like, our sun and moon, I think Leo and Cancer have, like, such beautiful potential. It's just, like, the yin and yang. It can be incredibly balanced, like, super harmonious, or it could just not be. It's like you it's the one or the other.
Siren:There really isn't, like, a middle Yeah. Feel.
Serena:Leo brings out Cancer's light, and it brings out Leo's dark side. Yeah. Leo does have a dark side. Leo is very good at putting on a face. Every Leo dominant person I know can put on a face in front of people even if they feel complete opposites.
Serena:Like, they can, like, get into a fight with someone earlier in the day, and then if they have to perform, they put on the performance. Leo is a a performer versus cancer struggle with that. If cancers are feeling something, you know it. They can it's hard for them to they feel it, like, throughout their whole body. It's they it's it takes over.
Serena:Leo's love that about cancer. Yeah. Like, I can be I can show you my dark side, and you won't judge me. Leo's help brighten cancers up. Mhmm.
Serena:But sometimes it can be overwhelming because Cancers, they do come with a lot of mood shifts. They're ruled by the moon. The moon changes sign every two days. Yeah. And with that moodiness and with that mood shifting, you really have to be a confident person within yourself to not take it personally as a partner who's dating someone with heavy cancer placements.
Serena:Yeah.
Siren:And I was not at the time.
Serena:Yeah. So you would feel triggered by, like, my moodiness. And my moodiness could be I'm just fucking hungry. Yeah. I'm sleepy.
Serena:Let me get hungry. And you'd be And I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, I don't wanna cuddle because I'm hangry. And then she would take it offensively or personally. And now I'm annoyed because she's taking it personally and it doesn't have to be taken that personally.
Serena:Yeah. So it's just like, wasn't clicking in that way too because I wouldn't say I would moody in a way that was abusive. I mean, I don't know if you have a different point of view, but No.
Siren:I don't
Serena:I was moody in a way that I was just funny. Yeah. I'm a Cancer and I have a Cancer Mars too. My Cancer Mars is my chart ruler.
Siren:So Yeah. And I have a Leo sun and a Leo Mars. Yeah. But we both have Leo Mercury. So that's why our like most, like, bestie energy.
Serena:Yeah. Do you think that was our best quality in our relationship? What do you think of the good aspects in our in our
Siren:I feel like, yeah, I definitely feel like our both of us having Leo Mercury's was probably one of the best aspects Yeah. For us because, like, you just got me. Like, whenever we'd speak, like, we'd have similar humor, like, similar styles of communication. Like, I felt like we would address communicating very similarly even in moments when it was, like, difficult. So, yeah, I think that was, like, definitely our most harmonious aspect was, like, Eliot or Mercury's for sure.
Siren:We've been yapping. We'd we'd
Serena:be For hours. Yapping. For hours and hours and hours. Yeah. That was probably, like, a great thing, especially for our Venus signs.
Serena:Yeah. Like, Gemini and Virgo Venus is like, you know, that just collects. We're very attracted to people who can keep up with us mentally. Yeah. So and not only do we have Leo Mercury's, but we have Leo Mercury's opposite Uranus.
Serena:Basically, when you have a Mercury opposite Uranus aspect, it's giving ADHD. Like, keep up with us or you're gonna get lost. Yeah. We can bounce around. This conversation right now is probably bouncing
Siren:Oh, yeah.
Serena:For sure. Yeah. We're like, boom. Boom. Boom.
Serena:Boom. Boom. And I think that's why I like bartending or being in a in a industry where I'm I'm talking to people all the time and multiple different conversations at once and I can multitask because that's a big aspect that I feel like is that, like, you're just you know, your mind is on a constant, you know, ADHD.
Siren:Yeah. We'd be yapping, start talking at, like, I don't know, 10PM and finish at four in the morning.
Serena:Yeah. So we definitely love that. Another good aspect that we hold is we're both water rising. So it makes a trine. A trine is a harmonious aspect.
Serena:Mhmm. So I'm a Scorpio rising and she's a Pisces rising. So her Pisces rising falls in my fifth house of romance of cancer placements and my cancer placements falls in her fifth house. And synastry and compatibility charts, it's nice for a partner to have placements in your fifth house or vice versa. You have placements in their fifth house because it shows a very much like fun romantic type of relationship.
Siren:We have friends.
Serena:The downside of having a fifth house sinister incompatibility is it can be short lived and short lasting, which is what I feel like happened. Yeah. So for more commitment, the seventh house rules more long term commitment, which we don't have any seventh house synastry or accountability. I have a Taurus seventh house. She has a Virgo seventh house.
Serena:How we view the world, because our rising sign is how we view the world. The lens that we look at is very similar, intuitive, very wanting to heal people. And, you know, we're in in similar industries and have similar goals like that, which is another reason that I felt like we could have been a power couple as well. Yeah. Because I felt like we had very similar goals and dreams and wanting to, you know, help people together.
Serena:Picking up on each other's emotions was I like in a relationship. Yeah. But I think like what you said, and I think something that you have been learning this past year is boundaries. Pisces rising so much.
Siren:Yeah. That's what I boundaries.
Serena:Water signs, period. They suck with boundaries. But
Siren:That's been my theme this year.
Serena:Boundaries is everything. Like, it's one thing to be feeling what what we're both, like, feeling emotions with your partner. It's another thing to be able to communicate about it, to have boundaries surrounding it, to not let it bother you. So going back to the question of do you think exes can be friends? No.
Serena:No. Now is straight up no?
Siren:Well, it's yes and no. I think no right away. And like you having a Gemini Venus is like you can easily separate like friends and lovers, like in the same person. I cannot do that. It's really difficult for me to do that.
Siren:So I feel like no because at least no right away.
Serena:Mhmm.
Siren:No right away, because there needs to be a time period where you are coming into yourself, back into yourself after meshing and merging your life with another person for so long and like unlearning that those codependent tendencies that you have with another person and just like, you know, coming home to yourself a little more. And I don't feel like you can do that when you still have such a predominant person in your life that kind of, like, reminds you of the person you're trying to grow out of or just, like, the version of yourself you're trying to, you know, shift on from. For me, I feel like I can't be friends with an ex, like, right away. I feel like I need time to myself. Like, I don't know how long that would be, but definitely a lot more time than we can give each other.
Serena:Yeah. I feel like our experience was a little typical but different at the same time. I'm good at separating a romantic relationship and friendship in a person. Sometimes I can come off as detachment and sometimes not. Sometimes I I've been in relationships where I clung on so hard because I can love someone so much as a person separately than what are what's happening in a romantic relationship.
Serena:Yeah. I detached easily in our relationship, but I clung on so hard because I valued you as a friend. It was easier for me because I kind of, like, clocked in my brain. Alright. This isn't gonna work.
Serena:It's not working out romantically. We broke up. But something did happen to me a couple days after our breakup that I kind of feel like if it wasn't for that, I don't know what would have happened.
Siren:I don't know.
Serena:But it we it kind of brought us back together into navigating a friendship and I was able to do that, but I don't think you I wasn't. Able to. But it's true when
Siren:you tried I tried though. She tried. But I honestly was just like in denial most of the time because like we were friends I think for like almost eight months after that and like half the time I was trying to get over you while being your best friend and talking to you every day.
Serena:And I kinda knew that a little bit but not to the extent of what she told me recently. I think we were each other's comfort zones and I think this is a big like woman loving women lesbian issue that we cling onto our comfort zones. I was going through a very hard time period in my life and I felt like you were also going through it.
Siren:Yeah. It was hard
Serena:to be there in life for you. We had each other and that it just felt really good. I did have a therapist that told me that you should separate for at least six months after a breakup. Yeah. Because it is true.
Serena:I do believe in that too. There is a form of separation that needs to happen after a breakup. After a breakup, you're creating a new self. Right? You're creating a new identity.
Serena:So it's how are you how are you walking into a new self? You have one foot into your new life and one foot into your old life. And I think we were doing that.
Siren:It created stagnancy for us both.
Serena:Yeah. I think it created a stagnancy for sure because the moment that I realized that we couldn't be friends anymore was the moment that I feel like I started doing more for myself. Yeah. So Same. And we both didn't realize doing that.
Serena:So We
Siren:just we just, like, loved each other so much. We wanted to cling on. And, like, for me, it was, like, I still had some subconsciously even if I wasn't aware of it. Like, I still had the thought in the back of my brain that we could get back together. And, like, I kept leaving that place and then we'd be really close and I'd come back there.
Siren:And then I felt like I was, like, teeter totting in between friend, girlfriend, friend, girlfriend, friend, girlfriend, and I just, like, walk away.
Serena:Yeah. For sure. After our breakup, we were best friends. Yeah.
Siren:And we would talk about it too. Be like, when we meet someone, we're gonna tell them
Serena:that they have to be okay with us being friends or they can't be in our life type shit. Like, we're friends. I would say we're friends. I value as a person if you ever needed some something, you can call me. Like, I'm supportive of you, but are like, we just can't be best friends.
Serena:So this is a yes and no. Like, can friend can exes still be friends afterwards? I think you can be friendly and supportive, but think being best friends with an ex is just not it's a recipe for disaster.
Siren:It is a recipe for disaster.
Serena:Is just right away. Living in one world while trying to create another world for yourself. And when then when you get into a new relationship, now you're making your new partner uncomfortable, you know, and this is huge in the lesbian community as well. He everyone's hooking up with each other, friends or exes all day every day. Like, it's like, you know, in the same friend group, you're friends with people who you used to hook up with and Yeah.
Serena:They and, you know, you're seeing them frequently. And, you know, we see in our community, I think it needs to be studied a little bit more, like, what the hell? But I think it's a big thing like we're each other's comfort zones, know? So who gets us better than someone who we were romantically with? Yeah.
Serena:Was with us all day every day. Women love feeling understood. So Yeah. You know, who who gets us better than someone who was actually there romantically. I could say like my best friends understand me a lot.
Serena:My romantic partners understand me in a whole different realm that my best friends don't even know. Yeah. You know? But then you have to think about it what's happening when you're dating a new person. I know that I wouldn't want my partner to be super super close with one of their exes.
Serena:Yeah. Okay. If you wanna be like friendly and supportive or if or if there's mutual friends, I would probably have to get over it. But you're talking all day every day or Yeah. Like on a even a weekly basis, daily basis, that's a no for me, dog.
Siren:Like, no. We were we were doing that. And we were dealing and we were doing Yeah.
Serena:So I think you just have to have a little like, it comes down to having respect for yourself and respect for your partner, your next partner, your future partner.
Siren:Absolutely.
Serena:And I think it's a little too messy. I mean, maybe if it was a little like, the exceptions are if it was more mutual, the breakup. Like, I think if the breakup is extremely mutual, like, just you both, like, grew out of it, ran into this too fast because that does happen with lesbians too and
Siren:It does.
Serena:Queer women relationships where you just move too fast and then all a sudden you're like, yeah, wait. We we should just be friends. Right? But I feel like because it wasn't so mutual is another reason that
Siren:Mhmm. It didn't work. Yeah. I had there I have to, like, follow through on that boundary, like, for myself and be like, as much as I love you, we gotta I need I need you need no contact. Def that taught me that I need to have better boundaries with that, for sure.
Serena:I definitely didn't make that realization until she started seeing someone. I was like, yeah, I can't be involved in this crazy lesbian mess. So
Siren:yeah. Put some boundaries. Yeah. And then when we were friends too, she started seeing someone or just, like, started talking to someone and told me about it. And then my initial reaction, I was just, like, kinda devastated.
Siren:And I was like, oh, yeah. I need to separate. Yeah.
Serena:So it probably let our best friendship probably lasted so long because we weren't seeing other people. We were just still each other's priority.
Siren:Yeah. So that was like my first time navigating that. And like in even moments before that, like even before our relationship, like, women I talked to, women I'd, you know, be trying to get to know, like, when we ended things, we just like weren't friends after and because it just wasn't like a thing like that. Oh, damn. This is a stereotype.
Siren:Yeah. Because everyone in the community, I'd always be like hearing about it and I had never experienced it for myself. I'd just be seeing all my other queer friends be friends with their exes and whatnot and maybe like, bro, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? And then I wouldn't to.
Siren:So, yeah. I definitely feel like it's a stigma and like it's a very real thing. I think it also has to do with the fact that it's just we're both women. And it's like, think about you dating your your best friend in the whole world. It's like a friendship breakup and a romantic breakup at the same time.
Siren:Yeah. There's that much deeper. It's just that much harder.
Serena:Think we have more boundaries in a way that we're not so quick to just run to each other to with every problem, every conversation, every thought. Mhmm. Still being supportive and therefore Yeah. Each one of each other all the time. Like, you'd also taught me that it doesn't have to get to a point of hating someone and completely disrespecting someone for them for you to disregard them out of your life.
Serena:Yep. Like, you can end things peacefully and on a good note, and that's what I wanted to do with you when we broke up and still have respect for each other and still be supportive of each other. That is something that I'm, like, proud of us as well. Like, I never wanted us to get to a point of hatred or anything because I feel like that was never that. There was never disrespect in the relationship.
Serena:It was just a lot of, like, we just weren't compatible. Yeah. Really wanted each other to be.
Siren:I feel like where we are now is a good example of how exes should be interacting with one another. Like, we're cordial, like, we can be friendly. Cordial.
Serena:Is that how you say the word? Is it? Cordial? Cordial? Whatever.
Serena:However you say that word. Cordial. Cordial. Cordial.
Siren:Cordial. Is that right? Can I look it up?
Serena:Sure. Cordial.
Siren:Cordial. Okay. Cordial. Alright. We're gonna backtrack because I lost my fucking train of thought.
Serena:I think that where
Siren:we are is a good example of like how exes should be in each other's lives. Like, we're not besties. You know, we support each other. We send love. Like, we keep tabs like to social media and whatnot in each other's worlds and circles anymore.
Siren:You know? There's just a lot of love and we send that to each other from afar and it works. How are
Serena:you gonna explain that to our next partners? Just because this that is also an obstacle course that we haven't really Well, hopped into.
Siren:Oh, true. Well, I feel like just kinda how I
Serena:said it, you know. Like, someone walked into your life
Siren:I feel like
Serena:I started dating someone and they were like, I want you zero contact with Serena. What would you say?
Siren:I mean, I mean, I don't know what I'd say.
Serena:I see. She's dropping me. She's dropping me. No. No.
Serena:She's like, babe, yeah. I'll tell her to fuck off right now.
Siren:No. Because it's not like that. Like, that's not the energy that I would be trying to come. And like how I think what I would tell my partner is that like, you know, this isn't someone who is like fully immersed in my life. It's just more so this is a past person in my life who I have a lot of love for and, you know, we support each other, but we're not like hanging out.
Siren:For me, it works best to be like friendly acquaintances.
Serena:Yeah. That's what I would say we are. There is a lot of love here.
Siren:It's just nothing but good vibes and good energy, and it'll always be that way, which I'm grateful for. Like, we're not on that, like, fuck you.
Serena:Yeah. I'm grateful too because I never wanted that with you. And when we were together and towards the end of the breakup before I broke up with Siren, I was somersaults in my brain of Yeah. I felt so. Everything.
Serena:And I didn't want it to turn bad. I didn't want it to just turn sour. I didn't want you to hate me because it didn't have to be that way.
Siren:Yeah. You
Serena:know? But like what I said, I was always waiting for the other shoe to drop because that's what I just always experienced in the past. I think that I was also moving on eggshells for that reason too. Yeah.
Siren:We both were.
Serena:Yeah. I didn't want to I didn't want you to hate me, but I wanted you to understand. And I'm glad that we're at a point today where we are both on that similar understanding. Mhmm. Know, it just doesn't have to be a fuck you, I hate you type of thing just because we didn't work out.
Siren:Yeah. I don't feel like I honestly carry any resentment, period. I'm not the type of person to hold on to things very long. I'm also not the type of person to, like, have guilt and hold that in my heart. I forgive people very easily and just, move on from things very easily once I've made peace with how things are.
Siren:Like, I don't ever look at you and I'm like, fuck you. Or like, I don't ever look at you and I'm like, fuck you for doing this, this, this, and that. Like, I honestly I've moved on. Yeah. I know you have to.
Siren:Mhmm. So for me, it's like, I I'm not really thinking about the past so much anymore.
Serena:And I wish you well. All love here. Yeah. You're a good example of two queer women, exes that are so friendly. Yeah.
Serena:Because Sometimes they can turn very sour. Yeah.
Siren:If if we would have done this podcast beginning of this year, this would have been so different.
Serena:I never had hatred towards you. Maybe just a small time period. I I had
Siren:I know.
Serena:Maybe some confusion, and I was like, But it was never hatred. Yeah. But then again, that confusion probably came from because we were best friends.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:We were best friend exes. If we weren't, there wouldn't be Yeah. Mhmm.
Siren:Like, I I still was, like, kinda going back and forth in my brain. The majority of this year has been us going our separate ways and learning ourselves separate from each other. And I feel like that really helped me see a lot of things a lot more clearly. I feel like that's when I had the most learning for me and like most reflective period for me and reflecting back on things in our relationship, things about you, things about me that just like weren't working, whatever. Just I feel like I had most of my mirror moments in our separation, which is why it's so important for exes not to be best friends right after they break up.
Siren:Because there's like, you have rose colored glasses on still, and you're you're still looking at a version of You're still hoping. You're still looking at a by like, looking at you, I was still looking at a version of myself that I didn't wanna be anymore. Well, now we can, you know, be cool, and it's not that deep.
Serena:Boundaries are hard, period. Yeah.
Siren:Like, boundaries are not easy. Like, people throw around that word in the community and just like, boundaries, boundaries, boundaries. But if you really understood what it takes to follow through on a boundary with someone that you love, it's really fucking hard. Yeah. Like, it's not as easy as people say.
Siren:It takes a lot of work and bravery, honestly, to, like, set a boundary and really follow through with it, I feel.
Serena:Yeah. For sure. And also be on mutual agreements of what a boundary is. What are too many boundaries now? Do you have the same type of boundaries as me?
Serena:Maybe you have too many boundaries.
Siren:Yeah.
Serena:It's not gonna work. Yeah. Or you have, you know, two less boundaries.
Siren:It's not
Serena:gonna work. Yeah. So I think that's another thing too. Yeah. Do you think you learned anything from our relationship?
Serena:Or from me being in your life? Duh. I think we both have.
Siren:I feel like with anything, like, I mean, every experience in your life is a learning lesson and an opportunity to like look at yourself in the mirror a little more and learn and grow and expand. So absolutely. I mean, she she taught me to have a little bit of a backbone, I will say.
Serena:I was gonna say that. If she wasn't gonna say that, I was gonna say that
Siren:for
Serena:sure.
Siren:She definitely taught me to have a little bit more of a backbone for sure. And to have better discernment in life with people around me and to not be so trusting.
Serena:Yeah. Honestly. Oh my god. That was such a big thing. Yeah.
Serena:Like, why are so trusting?
Siren:Because I just was like a little light being being. Yeah. Exactly. Moving through life like that and just like always feeling like people always had the best of intentions because I always have the best of intentions. I feel like I have a more backbone now.
Siren:Like, I'd be standing on my business now. Good. Proud. Thanks. Many things, but those are the biggest takeaways I feel like I learned.
Siren:Yeah. And most importantly that, you know, like love isn't always everything. And like, that was something that you told me when we first met too, you were like, love isn't always everything. There has to be this, this, this, this and that. And I was just like, what are you talking about?
Siren:No, I love you and that's enough, but it's not, It's not enough sometimes and that's okay. What about you?
Serena:I feel like I toughened you up and you softened me up for sure.
Siren:Oh, fuck. Yeah. You were like
Serena:a little Bowser shell with the spikes. Yeah.
Siren:I like shaved your spikes down. When I'm hurt in life,
Serena:I my shell gets thicker and thicker, and I feel like she caught me in, a 50 layer shell.
Siren:We moved you down to, like, 30. Yeah.
Serena:Yeah. Still still rocking the shell to this day. The relationship with you brought me was you mirrored a past version of myself, which was lacking boundaries. I'm putting my feelings on the back burner because you just want someone else to be okay because I feel like I've done that in past relationships. I wanted my partner to be okay so bad that I was self sacrificing myself.
Serena:Yeah. And then the tables turned where you just wanted me to be okay because I was going through a lot mentally. Mhmm. And then you just wanted me to be okay, that you were self sacrificing yourself.
Siren:Weren't You
Serena:both stood up. Getting up. So Yeah. I feel like when I saw you do that, it just reminded me of like a past version of myself. And I realized that and I don't wanna be like that again.
Serena:And, you know, I do hold these traits, extremist traits where I'm either too passive or too defensive. And I guess needing more balance and moderation in my life. I guess not taking life so seriously as well.
Siren:And also letting people love you and letting Yeah. Letting people pour into you and Exactly. Allowing yourself to receive help from people that care about you.
Serena:That is a 100% something. I didn't think I would meet someone who showed me so much like unconditional love and who truly just wanted to love me. Like, I I truly didn't think I was gonna I was gonna meet that at all. So Now you know it's You made me believe in good people again because I was and that's why I was fucking around in these streets. I was like, just thinking everyone was gonna hurt me.
Serena:Yeah. You made me believe in good people again and you showed that to me and you showed me that, you know, love is out there and how I love is out there because, you know, you mirrored that back to me. So I am grateful for that as well.
Siren:Yeah. Yeah. New projects, upcoming projects. Well, as Serena mentioned, I am a sound healer. I don't really like to say the word healer.
Siren:I like to I prefer to say alchemist. I do energy work. I am ceremonialist. I do lots of really cool cool things. Like medicine music too.
Siren:That's coming out very soon. Exciting. Yeah. So, Sheena will wrap it here. Also for me too, it's like I'm in the wellness world, in the wellness space, and like, you know, everybody is fluid or whatnot in this space.
Siren:You really don't see many lesbian facilitators. Yeah.
Serena:Very true.
Siren:Yeah. So I'm feel like I'm trying to hold the torch a little bit and just like kinda let the rest of the world see that, you know, you can be one thing. Yes. But you can be multiple things at the same time that it's okay to have duality. Like Yeah.
Siren:I'm a fairy little princess, but I also am a lesbian. And, like, those two things mesh together as one, not as separate things. So I wanna hold space for more queer people and more women to have safer spaces to come gather because sometimes the wellness community cannot be welcoming.
Serena:Especially down here in South Florida, I
Siren:will say.
Serena:They can be very clicky, and you have to be careful of which wellness communities you're walking into.
Siren:Yeah. So I just wanna kinda break that gap a little bit. We'll have the wellness community be a community for everybody of all walks of life, all paths of life, all identities of all genders, and all. It's just it's to be of service to the collective period. It doesn't really matter what you identify as.
Siren:Yeah. So I wanna kinda open more spaces for queer women and queer people to come gather and do all the cool things that we do in the wellness community and feel safe doing it too. Yeah.
Serena:Love that. I love those goals. Thanks. That's awesome. So I'll definitely leave all of Siren's links down below and you can follow her on our new journeys.
Serena:There's a lot happening. She just quit her Serving job. Her serving matrix job and which I'm very excited about. Thanks. I mean, everything that Siren is doing is everything that I saw in her.
Serena:The moment that we met and we you know, I got to know her. I saw that within you and I just I'm glad that you're living it up right now.
Siren:Thank you. So that's awesome. I'm trying my best.
Serena:Yeah. Obviously, me, you can follow me on all socials on t from the galaxy. And if you want to dive into more things astrology, all my socials are angel fish astro. Thank you again for coming on this podcast. I really
Siren:appreciate it.
Serena:I think it was a really good podcast. I think it's really a good conversation for the queer woman in this community to hear to know when to separate from something without disrespect Mhmm. And to learn healthy boundaries because I think that is a big conversation that needs to be had with queer women in the community. Yep. I think boundaries, boundaries, boundaries, we like them.
Serena:Mhmm. We do. And I think it is we talked about There's not enough research on, like, queer relationships. Yeah.
Siren:There's really not Specifically women and women.
Serena:Yeah. You know, we don't learn about this. There's no textbooks for this. You know? There's no information.
Siren:It's kinda run out of dude.
Serena:Why does one month in a lesbian relationship feel like a year? You know, there's not enough Yeah. Research on this. So we need to have more conversations surrounding it. Thank you again.
Siren:Thanks for having me. Thanks.