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OK, so MS Teams gets new way to look at Channels and Chats under a Sectional title. Steve and marijn take a look at the value of such change and go to discussing the value today and potential value tomorrow.
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Hey.
Nice.
Well, hello. Hello, hello.
God, it's not a **** film, you.
No, that would be have you ordered this pizza when you can't pay?
No, to be honest. I'm I'm.
Hello. Hello. Hello. You obviously chilled out today?
I'm I'm guessing that these days **** would be more like ohh did you order this AI robot? I think that would be more of the because you've got this, you've got this, you got the.
Ah, I.
The the hitchhiker thing you got? The pizza delivery.
No, no, you got the stepmother thing. I love the stepmother thing.
The stepmother thing. You got the the one where? Ohh no, I'm stuck in the in the laundry machine or the washing machine, which is like.
Yes, I'm stuck under the.
Table and I can't get out.
How silly is that? Come on. But I'm guessing that now there will be like a rise in the AI. Hello. This is your AI robot thing.
I had a I had a. This is a bad subject for us to start and of course I had a a actually no, I want to.
To your question, I am going to set up some podcasts. I know you're a busy guy, but they're going to be completely X-rated. Alright, Brian's up for it. I now it's up for it. I'm up for it.
OK.
I need a.
4th X-rated is my middle name exactly.
That's what I thought. So, yeah, we'll let people know when that happens, but no holes barred.
I had an interesting conversation at collab days in Belgium just recently, OK and somebody was saying cause we we had a banner. Anybody that was there was see for our cloud built stuff for next year.
MHM.
And we used mid journey to create.
Yep. And somebody was saying that mid journey is not managed. They have no ethical stuff on their AI. So you can basically go and create anything you want. There's no philtre. And apparently they were talking about the fact they're in trouble because of kiddie **** and all that.
OK.
Kind of ****.
I read something earlier today that the guy.
In the Netherlands or Germany, was sentenced to 18 years for May.
King AI, child *********** or something like that.
And this is the conversation I kind of got into. I said just hold on.
A second so.
I can create it from AI or I can go and take a real picture. What would I actually want? So is mid journey actually saving? Changing. Yeah. Yeah. So it was interesting.
Exactly, yeah.
Children's bumps, yes.
Scenario about what AI is useful for and I know guys we did AI last time and we're really not going to go on to that today. But Miranda is. Hello. Hello. Hello. Did it in such a 1970's **** way? I couldn't.
Not too long, yes.
Actually, we should have had your Chachi PT companion say the.
Joining us for.
Podcast.
Yeah, or or at least do an intro, maybe.
We could, we could ask her, like, could you? We're we're ready to start.
We did this last time in the last podcast.
Yeah, we're ready to start a podcast. Could you do a little introduction? Ohh.
Oh.
Maybe I have to say, I was wondering whether there was a session on it somewhere.
But you'd have to train it quite.
Well, ah, OK.
Because we just asked it about the new interface for MS Teams and of course she referred to new teams. Yeah, of course, which is, you know, not really what we want.
To try and talk about today.
No, no, I no, I get it. Yeah.
But that's OK, but I get it. But we should tell everybody that the magazine that we could not remember or we could not remember in episode 150.
One yes.
51 Yeah, was the National Enquirer. Hmm. Alright, which is the one that has? Yeah, my son was, you know, kidnapped by an alien spaceship has a headline. Yeah. And people buy it at the cheapo magazine stores in the supermarket. Actually, if you've never.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you go to America and you go and decide to buy a bag of crisps at a, you know, a drug store or something, you should buy a copy of the National Enquirer just to sit there and.
I will next time, man. Yeah.
Yes.
I actually know somebody who's writing who's in San Francisco right now, so maybe.
And it feels.
Really. Ohh yes. Yes, yes, yes.
Maybe I should ask to bring me one now I'm curious.
I've never seen it. Oh, there's a couple of them. They're just braise it. And I couldn't remember the bloody name when we did episode 151. But the other day, all of a sudden, when I was when I was mixing it down or something, I went what the hell? And it suddenly came to me boom.
No.
The National Enquirer.
OK.
Nice. OK, OK. OK, OK.
I wonder who gets a job, and I actually guess AI is perfect for the National Enquirer. Give me the most bizarre headline that you can think.
Of yeah, no. Well, no. I'm not talking about, like, people getting adopted, abducted by aliens. I was listening to a.
Yep, Yep, Yep.
Health costs, where they had Mr Ballen as as a.
As a guest, and he told the story that somewhere I think in Russia there's a like a mountain pass and there was some experienced hikers and suddenly nobody heard from them anymore. So they had a rescue party and they found them, but they were all mangled up. There was somebody up on a tree. There were no scratch marks.
Or whatever everyone was wearing each other's clothes. They were all dead.
That.
Is like super weird and nobody knows what happened.
I was there are some weird stuff happening around the moment somebody was telling me they were following a story about a drug addict that was dead in the US, so they carted him off to the hospital for a drugs overdose and.
MHM.
Basically said, OK, he's a donor, so let's whip his heart out and everything else. And he woke up.
This causes this obviously.
Like that so but it gets more bizarre than that. It was outside the operating theatre and and the and the thesis or whatever was dressing him and he woke up. So the anaesthesia and. Ohh, no we need.
To put you sleep.
Again, so put.
Him back to sleep again.
So power and they were just about to cut into his heart and he.
Kind of woke up and went help me.
Ohh he's not dead.
Oh wow.
It's alright. It could have sued them for millions if they'd have taken his.
Heart out. Ohh yeah yes.
Yeah, that's how do you say that winning at a loss sometimes? No. Anyway, doesn't matter.
Sometimes, yeah. So they're talking about the weirdest of stories. I did hear the other day. Probably one of the weirdest things MS Teams are going to combine chats and channels. I mean, that's weird, I know.
Me. Call me now. It's weird.
I mean, to be honest, I've been saying for a long, long time. Why do I keep having to go to the different places?
To get my chats and different places to get my conversations and meetings.
Can be in either.
Yeah. So you know, it was a bit weird.
No, I think I think it makes sense because I'll, I'll, I'll have to chat with you. But we'll do work in a different way in, in a different place. So for me that makes sense.
All right, look, let's just, I mean everybody is well aware that this is a new release. Probably we don't do new stuff.
But we do do adoption and change and everything else.
And these hitchhikers so.
And yeah, that's true. And this one kind of grabbed our attention a little bit. It's it's just been announced and of course the reason it's just been announced is because this month there's a rather special event. Well, actually next month we got a few more days to go, but by the time you release this, it will be November.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. And Chicago will be happening, which neither of us are.
Going to no. But you know who is in Chicago right now?
Our good friend Risto, from Atlas Copco well see is in Chicago right now. I guess he's having a holiday now and then joining, joining Ignite I think.
Really.
Healing there.
Cool. Very, very cool. Yeah. You know, I know I told you this. So I do another podcast and I keep going into both podcasts and referring about the fusion talk with the Nook. Do you know, we were at the same Ignite at the same time?
We both were in Atlanta.
Bizarre.
That is weird, yes.
But 20 after 25,000 people, we never bumped into.
Each other. That is so weird.
So not even at one of the 35 rows where they're serving bacon in the morning? No.
That's.
You. No, no. Very strange. Not even on the four, four or five acre festival site that we went to for the conference party. I don't know why.
It was chance, I don't know.
What are the chances that you don't run into?
Each other so.
There you are. Yeah. So it is ignite and that's why this is coming out. And you've been struck by it because you're a teams MVP.
So yes, so US teams MVP's.
We.
Those teams and VP's? You can't see these people, but you sit. They're all cuddled up. His shoulders are up going ohh, this teams MVP.
No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh man.
No. As MVP's we get to talk a lot with Microsoft. So last week we had the airlift.
Event where Microsoft was explaining a lot of new things that are coming, they they kind of they they kind of use it as a as a practise session for Ignite. Yeah. So they show us the PowerPoints and whatever that they will use in a few weeks.
OK, just be careful.
Some things.
And and this was there as well. There were some really good discussions about it, about the new chats and channels, but now the cats out of the bag, Jeff deeper posted something about it.
Yeah, they've got an admin guide, a user guide. I have to say this time.
They right really done put out all the stops from the whole adoption journey. So there's so much information available. The whole onboarding in the app is going to be excellent. I'm just don't know if I want to turn it on.
Got it.
I think I'll just opt out for now, yeah.
So why don't we?
We we had a we've been talking about for less often now while we were tasting a little bit of nostalgic whiskey from the from Eileen.
And so we were sitting there talking about and as always, I was thinking the microphone should have been turned on by now, but they never were. But we we really couldn't make our mind.
Up.
About when and what you could do it, so why don't we just describe the kinds of scenarios that they're talking about doing?
So there's different entities we know within MS Teams. We obviously have channels. Yeah, we obviously have teams, yes, we have chats, we have group chats, we have meeting chats, yes. And the only way of dividing them at the moment is teams or chats.
Yeah.
And within teams, you end up with all of the teams with all of the channels and the only things you can really do is favourite something. Yes, and hide something, yes. And they've just changed the interface that says show all the teams which screws my head up every time because the channels are listed in a different part of the app.
Rather than just being underneath or expanded, it's. Yeah, it's strange, but that's OK. Yeah. And then in the chats section, you obviously have your 15 pinned chats.
MHM.
Your hidden chaps are in at the bottom and obviously you can then have all of your sorry not chats but discussion groups chat.
Groups sorry and and of course you also have your meeting chat groups. Then they appear there as well unless the meeting was not created for a team which is confusing, it's alright.
Yes.
If the.
Exactly. Yeah. Which is something that.
Yeah, but not a lot of people are creating meetings from within the channel, so.
No, but that's.
Part of that problem is you've always got more, more people in the channel than you have within the team.
And so you can either meet now and then everybody gets a call, even whether they're ready or not. But I guess what you're saying is you can use the channel, the.
Yeah.
No. So next to that, meet now is a little button where you can also say like I want to schedule a meeting. Let's say I want to schedule a meeting tomorrow.
Yes.
But everybody gets invited in the channel.
Yes, yes, but 19 times times out of 10. You don't want everybody at the meet.
But maybe that's bad governance on the channel.
I OK.
I think so that's that user governance. If you say this is my project, everybody that is doing something with the project should be at my project meeting.
Yeah, that makes sense. Every time I've used it, it's never really worked very well, but that's so I stopped using it and it could easily be fixed by.
Yeah, OK. Because the, the, the big benefit of using that is that your transcript and your recording is already stored in your files in the team.
Now then, I'll make a note.
In the team, do you still get the 30 days?
Like 60 days? Yeah. OK. Yeah. All right, pretty.
It will be.
Stored in the teams instead of on your OneDrive, where you then have to maybe move it away because storing files in OneDrive and and sharing them is not.
It's shared with everybody.
A good idea anyway.
All right, so in this new release, this new update, what they're saying is that you can now do something which we've probably wanted to do for years, even if we didn't know it, which is create, let's call them sections. Oh, that's what Microsoft calls them. Let's call them sections where you can put in channels and chats.
Oh yeah, yeah.
What a coincidence.
So why don't you explain it? Cause you're the one that's watched?
Yeah. So.
Most of the.
Videos. So there there's two things. So the the one thing is that the one thing I find really, really, really exciting is the fact that I can now create sections where I can say these are my projects. These are my work groups. These are my whatever.
And I can just pull a number of chats, number of channels or teams in there. So I.
I can instead of just say my teams and my hidden teams, I can now divide them up into more groups and I.
Can have up.
To 50 of these sections all there 50550. So that's a lot.
It is to say it's in seven inches of laptop space.
Yeah.
Uh, the other big change that is coming is that they will put the chats and the channels all together in in one button. So if you click that one chat button, you will then see all your group chats and all your channels and the teams.
OK.
And you can also use sections there to say this is my things about my team. For example, you can pull some charts in there. You can pull some channels in there so that it's all combined which is also I think not a really good adoption decision.
All right.
Maybe an adoption decision? I think so. What do you mean by an adoption decision?
So it's not really a governance decision. I think it's more of a adoption thing.
You're getting your adoptions and governance is all mixed up tonight, aren't you?
Maybe yes, maybe it's a long day of building an R2D2 in Lego.
Is that right? Did you get it finished?
So yes, yes.
No, no, no. We only did two backs because we wanna pace. We wanna base ourselves, yes.
He's got 2, he's got 2 legs.
Because you got.
All week. Yes, exactly. But the fun thing is that my daughter's building it. She never got into Lego.
You know, she's building it and I'm supervising.
You're supervising. That's a Lego piece. It's a white piece. Is there any white pieces on this?
Yes.
No, no, no. But it's. It's fun to see.
Yeah, her screwing up. And then her also, like, thinking and looking at it like this is wrong. This should not be like this. And then trying to figure it out. It's brilliant.
He's never done like a.
She's done a little bit of Lego, but she never got into it and now she she got started on the first bag and she was like and she went to the toilet and she was like, don't touch anything. That's my bill.
So she's like, super anxious to to do this so.
Yeah. OK. So if you don't get it finished, you've gotta stay at your place in pieces and you're.
Not allowed to touch.
It.
Maybe. Yeah, probably. It's like everything.
Else that you've got lying around. Ohh yes. Mm-hmm.
R2D2. Nice. Nice.
Alright, so you described.
This this change, but I'm not entirely sure that you've described it other than listing all the different components. So give us a scenario where you will use all of those, so typically what might you build a section for?
To have all my projects in one place, if I've got 5 projects that I'm working on, I might.
I want to put all my projects.
In one place.
That makes no sense to meet at all.
Or.
OK, why not?
Because I can do that already, I can just create one project per team or what? And I've got all my projects next to each other. Bum, bum, bum.
So why is that an advantage to do it in this section? Surely a section would be where you want to mix and match these things. So if I have a project then I might put some of the. Can you put teams in sections or just channels?
Well, what I've seen was just channels.
And I will say any chance?
Yeah.
OK.
So I will end up with five announcement channels and five main channels and five general channels.
Well, that's because you are so structured. Everything is numbered the same. It's such a poor collaboration example. Yeah. Yeah. Let's rename this folder.
Announcements instead of.
Cool. ****. Yeah. No, no, no. Instead of development.
Testing. No, that's still very broadly was.
Gold creation? No.
No, just give me shut the **** ** and let me think.
So.
OneDrive announcements or MS Teams announcements or new announcements so you pre tag them so you know what type of announcements are in there. Then you can have multiple ones but anyway I get.
It.
That's because you copy your folder structures, isn't it?
Look at new project. Let's just copy these folders and subfolders and I'm good to go.
Yeah. Because everybody understands that. No, no, no, I I don't do that. It was a joke, but.
No, you understand this. OK, I got.
No.
It.
Yeah. Anyway, so one section then in my mind, I and and I haven't looked at off the stuff you've done because I only very briefly did it for 20 minutes or so yesterday, but one section for me would be about a subject.
It would be my be a core subject, so it might be a project and then in that I would put in the different chats and the different channels associated with it.
Yeah, but these channels about that project, they should all be in one team.
But maybe that team will have 10 channels and I only want to use two channels.
That I'm really focusing on maybe.
What if I have an adaption adoption channel for five projects I might want to bring all that adoption together so I can build a common comms plan.
Yes. And one of the things that we might want to do with governance is to.
Give all those channels a prefix, because what I've seen on the user interface. No, no, no, no. What I've seen on the user interface is that will only show the name of the channel, so you would end up with five channels that are called adoption without seeing very clearly. Oh, this is the one from project one. This is the one from project.
Yeah, yeah.
But that's because you don't label your channels properly. So if you have 5 teams or projects, you're telling me you just have a channel called adoption, yes?
MHM.
Why is it not called project name adoption?
Because it's already in that team, my team has been there. My team is Project 135, so why should I also use Project 135 in every?
But it's not going.
Channel because they've got this thing called sections.
Name.
Now they do. So now that's going to be a little change.
But if you favourite it, if you place it up at the top.
If you favoured it, it.
Will give you the name of the channel, but it will also in small print give you the name of the team.
And it won't do that in these.
New sections? No, not what I've seen from the user express.
So far, maybe that's an improvement that will come when it eventually gets what's the timing?
I think so.
For this by.
The way early preview at Ignite time and then roll out to everyone 2025.
Yeah, straight after ignorance in six years. Yeah. Yeah. OK, I. Anyway, we're getting into governance here, which isn't a bad thing because we didn't think there been much governance to talk about, but actually there is. So. So the naming of channels.
Yeah.
Is still important.
Especially as you now might group some channels together or your comms plan channels all of your, yeah.
Yeah.
But the problem is that you still don't have a lot of weight in your UI for the name of the.
Channel.
So if you make it like project refurbishing of our Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Dash adoption, then yeah, that's not.
Going to work.
Because it will just run out.
It will just be too long, yes.
So you have to hover over everything until you click.
On it to open it.
I I think so. We need to see how it really works, but for me right now this feels like something that's missing.
You've got a chance to play with it.
Yet.
You've only seen it on videos, and potentially some of the MVP stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
So you don't know, for example. So actually one of the questions I asked earlier was on my left hand navigation I teams I get chat. Do I now get sections or or?
No, no. So on my left navigation, that left rail, they're now quality adaptive rail.
I've no idea why but.
Because Microsoft likes to rename everything, at least every three years.
Yeah, there's, I don't know if that's an official name, but still doesn't matter. But now you just have chats on there, and if you click on chat you will have activity, chats, calendar, OneDrive, things like that. And the chats part will now come pass all the chat and the teams buttons that you have.
Right now, but you can turn that off and still have chats and teams separate if you want.
So with this.
So is it?
Just a UI interface change.
Yes, I think so.
They're making such a big fuss, but all they've done is.
Actually built the MS Teams interface that they should have built from day one. Yeah, but I I'm being a bit vicious. Slack has this. OK, so they copied it.
But to be honest.
Again, which is fine because we want to copy all the good things from the other applications and don't do the bad things.
But no.
OK, completely through what I was thinking about. No, no, it's OK. It's OK. It's OK. Alright. So. So consequently I am I right in assuming that if I put a channel.
Project Steve and I put that into a section called projects. When I click on that I get the same channel with folders and files and any of the navigation from the team.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the tabs. All the. All the bits will all be there.
Yes. And there's there's no.
There's no structured connectivity, so it's not like if I have a SharePoint hub and I throw in a few sites into that hub that they get navigation integrated or search gets integrated.
No, every channel is still its own.
So it is just a UI, yeah.
So now it is going to be more useful and I'm now thinking I've been playing around with loop and loop workspaces. It would be more useful if later on we can also put more things on there than just chats and channels if we could put a like a loop workspace.
Yep.
On there or.
OneDrive folder.
Or maybe a OneDrive folder as well? Yeah, it's like all the all my artefacts around a certain thing. If I could just put them all into this one section.
Maybe sessions a horrible word, isn't it?
It's very MI 5.
Well, yeah, well, maybe no, I like it. It's it's. Yeah.
Hello.
We know, we know that MS Teams has got its problems and it is mostly around the UX in some in in some way, so you know it's difficult trying to keep track of all your team sites and it's definitely difficult to keep track of all your channels. Yeah, they I think they have done a better job this button that says show all channels and it appears in the panel on the right. To be honest I know.
Just earlier, but it actually is quite useful. You get to see them.
At least you don't have to scroll up or down anymore and there.
Are only one place to start from the top.
Yeah, and and you don't have that more channels? Yeah, thing. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So you're not doing a more and a more and a more so. So I think that's quite useful. Yeah. So now to be able to sort of at least bring together some different entities is a is a bonus. I don't think it's at the be all and end all and and you say you can turn it off and turn it on per organisation or per user.
No, no.
Actually, but only if we allow it at the admin level.
Yes. So it's gonna roll out anyway.
You can still opt in or have like public preview, but at some point it's gonna roll out to everyone. But can I turn it off now?
I don't think so.
Yet till everybody complains.
No, but the the thing that you can turn off is the the fact that you have chats and channels in one place or in two places. So you can still say I want to have my chats and my channels separate.
And the only thing that will happen is that now I can also create extra sections for my teams or for my chats if I want to, and for the rest it will still be pretty much the same.
I have to say I think we need to categorise the content better. I mean that I think is an advantage, one that.
No, it wasn't there. Absolutely. Yes. Do you think this is going to be a game?
Changer then for teams.
No, it's just one of these things that's gonna make life easier. Potentially. Yeah. Exactly. So, for example, one of the things that I'm looking forward to is that the calendaring teams is going to have more outlook functionality, and that is something I've also pretty excited about.
10.
Actually, so am I.
Yeah, yeah. And and it's it's just a small thing, but.
It's gonna have an impact in the way how I work. So same thing with this. This is not a game changer, but it will.
It in in six months time or in one year's time. I will definitely do things in a different way, not in a totally different way, but like some of the details will change, like naming a channel for example.
Alright. Yeah. So you will make sure it's prefixed and you'll include that in your training as well. Yeah. Now, now you're a part MCT.
Potentially, yeah, yeah.
Almost.
Almost. I need to wait until the 13th.
Yeah, just just jump over that final fence without falling. That's cool. Congratulations by the.
Before.
It.
Yeah, exactly.
Way I think it's.
Ohh it's not done yet, so once it's done I'll make a big fuss out of it.
I know I was.
When when you decided when you decided in Baltic Summit or somewhere and you went no, I'll get MCT there and I went. I've gotta try and get this before you. But I just never got a chance. I thought it would be so good to actually go. Hey.
I've got my MCT. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was it was on my list of things that I actually wanted to do last year.
And then I didn't get around to do it because of all this customer work and now this one customer bailed on me. So I've got some room, so yeah.
Cool. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Congratulations. We're quite proud of you. I mean, the fact that you said I want to do this and then did it is very unusual.
That's very true. Yeah. I normally don't do that. That's true.
Oh.
You like to take a year or two to think about.
Them, that's all. When.
Well, I did take you to do it.
We were first met, which is how long ago we decided eight years ago or seven years ago, someone 10 years. Whatever you did say you wanted to set a video channel up. In fact, you got the domain name and everything else and you did it.
Now as well.
10.
Yeah.
Ohh yeah yeah, exactly yeah.
Last year.
No, I did not do it at all actually yet. But as I said in the next few months I've got a few days that are have not been booked by customer work. So I was I was planning on working on it. Yes, no, well done. I think that's really very cool. So yeah, so as an MCT you better include this into all of your new training.
Yeah.
Yeah, not that your MCT will get you any more trading than you're doing now, but there you go.
Well, I can still remember.
Like 6-7 years ago we got contacted by U.S. Army for training in Germany and that didn't go through because we were not MCT's.
Yeah.
So yeah, exactly. And and there was also through.
Yeah, depending on what the training course.
Was it's true? Yeah.
Because I'm not an MCT and I spent seven years training.
With the US and you know?
Yeah, but that was the.
Was right. Now that was one of the one of the prerequisites also two years ago I was talking to this company worldwide company that also had a an office in Brussels to deliver training for them and they also wanted only MCT. So yeah.
Chef line stuff. Yeah, it was.
Well, no, it's all good. I honestly think it's really very cool.
But that's good. Alright. So we think that this is a a game changer then for teams or it's the next step.
Maybe in terms of where we go and I'm guessing a lot of people are asking for it in, in some respects for the Microsoft to actually built it and and sort of put it together. Yeah. So it's not a bad thing. There's been a lot of changes coming out for teams. Of course, Ignite is here. So a lot of.
Changes a lot of changes across the board, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, all kind. That's true. That is very, very true. My calendar has never been so full of MVP meetings ever.
Oh.
But you.
Know this.
So last week.
We airlift and and my calendar was like all the other years, just from 5:00 in the evening until 2:00 at night. Just.
Booked four to five times next to each other because I can't decide what session I want to go to because they're all so interesting. So I've got a whole lot of questions that I want to catch up catch up on. Yes. And the yeah, no one of the one of the problems that Microsoft has is.
So.
On.
No, no, that's cool.
But I was thinking.
With their player, it doesn't have like a play on two speeds.
But Oh well. That's all right. So that's your problem, not anybody else's. So.
Not now.
Yeah, exactly.
Where was I going with this? I was going with. Yes, there was a another. There's a whole bunch of stuff being released, but they've just brought out a a whole new set of interfaces to manage core queues in teams.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is pretty neat, so you can see your own call queue. Yeah. For something I've been wanting for a while, you can choose which queue to make your outgoing call on, which we were paying a lot of money for somebody else to do. So there's potentially they're starting to bring the call centre stuff into teams native from from Microsoft. So, so that was.
It's the queues out.
Hmm.
Announced I saw a bunch of stuff around fabric.
But I can't remember the details.
Yeah, fabric is so far out of my comfort.
Conflict.
Yeah, this is strange and weird, isn't it?
I I understand. No, I understand it's all about managing data and tables and all that, but it's so like the difference between a data lake and a lake house and uh, whatever. I I just. Yeah, exactly.
We don't know where the edges are.
Go to twin.
I I'm I'm vaguely familiar with the concepts but.
I concept or name?
With the.
Actually yes, but I I can't figure out how it how it looks like, how it works and and these things so but it's fine, it's it's not what I do.
So no, I get it. I mean we, I mean the other one that was really close to of course is dynamics, but yeah, by the time you get in there, it really is again, it's its own kind of.
It's OK.
Well.
Spacey thing to go play with. We know what it does.
Kind of. I might be going to more dynamic conferences in the future because there was this super smart.
Yes.
Person, let's go up, but let's keep it very vague that has that I've seen on on, on multiple conferences that was also in Gdansk and and she said like, oh, do you want to do like a, a a session together? I was like, yes, that's very cool because she.
Super Smart, super technical, all in dynamics so.
I've got no idea what we're going to talk about.
But we had a meeting, sorry.
You never knew. You never do.
No, I know.
You surround yourself with smart people. You look good.
Clueless, but we had a meeting this week and we figure out two really cool topics that we're going to try to post to a number of conferences and it's going to be at these dynamic conferences.
Clearly.
You know, son, I'm very, very proud.
Yes, there's going to be more travel, less revenue, less travelling customers.
Yes, more time that my girlfriend will be upset about me leaving the house. Yes, yes. But it will be more fun. Exactly because I love to do these conferences.
Set.
Thou are all part of the fund or publicly.
It's your career. Yeah. Top of the list in session is session iced.
Collab days you mean is your days yes?
Ohh community days. Yes, I've got no idea how that happened, but I.
Saw he saw, saw.
You run away from your girlfriend too often.
Actually, you very often do 2 sessions at some of these events with other people, so you end up getting those credits as well.
No.
Now, well, anyway, there's there's a lot of people that do way more events than me.
Obviously not. No, no, I don't think they're just in in the list of that thing. That's what I've got. Yeah, I've got no idea. I've got no idea how that happened. It is very weird. I've got no idea. But it's weird because I see Patrick Demonet, for example. And.
Hi it's collab days.
OK.
I.
Mean.
That man is travelling constantly. He's every week in a different part of the world. Having his AMS conferences.
So you should be way up.
But is he sleeping with the chairman?
Of collab days.
You.
I mean, Thomas or others, no, maybe. I don't know. I don't know.
We should call out actually for Cola Belgium. It was a really good day. A really good.
Event.
Yes.
Well done, guys, and we'll be changing venue. How many years?
This one.
Have you been there?
Ohh this is the 4th and the 5th year.
Something.
No, it's gotta be more than that. Sorry. Blue point. Yeah. Gotta be more.
No, no, no, no.
Than that, no, I don't think so. I think for five years, but yeah, OK. Anyway, go on. There's 11. So every time we go speak somewhere, we get this little speaker gift. And this time there were, like, every for the last few years, like this box of chocolates.
Hi.
Valentinos.
Yeah, Valentino's best. Probably the best chocolates in Belgium.
I put my bag next to my laptop on a seat in the speaker room and when I got back in the evening, my back was still there, but my box of chocolates was gone. No?
Did not have any valentinos. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Go on, stay here. We need to do a podcast, my man.
Wait there.
No, you need to chunk that.
No.
You're on a diet.
I'm always on.
The diet. You know me, you know me.
There we go. There's still some left. Ah.
Don't know any of your favourites.
Now I need to. Of course. Yeah. Like these white chocolates? Yeah. OK. Sorry for the munching. Sounds now.
There you go. There you go. So that's fine. But you're right, they do. I'll ask you questions now whenever you start eating the cocoa.
No.
No Caleb. Brussels. Belgium was very, very good. So they've been to a new venue next year because the place is closing down. So that's neat. You got any speaking stuff coming up?
Oh, I've got a I'm doing one with a nook. Alright, for some virtual event. Do you know what time it is?
MHM.
And knock thank you for this so very very much 3:00 AM in the morning.
You're up by then. You're always.
Early, right? Yes, Sir. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple of virtual ones that are happening, but yeah, they're at, like, ludicrous time in the morning.
I guess.
So you know, right before collab this Belgium, I did a webinar for SPC.
Now that it's on.
Alright. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, maybe Ted. Ohh. There's the car with the two old ladies in it.
Hmm.
So that was one day before collapse days. Belgium. I was on a Friday.
Price of petrol.
And I I go on register well as the using the speaker link to the system and I'm greeted by this very friendly Irish lady.
And she said, you know, your session actually had the most people registered. So I was like, oh, cool. How many people did register for my session?
About 700.
And I was.
Like what?
700 people. So in the end we only had, well, we only had about 150 people.
In the session.
Oh.
All the same.
But for a virtual online thing I mean.
That that was that was pretty cool. That was pretty crazy.
What did you do?
I was talking about all the new features coming to pages in SharePoint. It's one of my favourite topic.
Point.
Actually one that I'm also going to talk about at the collab days in Oslo in a few weeks, right? The weekend before ES PC, so I'll probably be travelling from Oslo to Stockholm from, yeah.
You know, I've been trying to get automatic translation of SharePoint pages.
MHM.
There's a GitHub project.
Correct.
Ohh, found a GitHub project. OK so looking at implementing that to be able to do the translation stuff of pages. OK.
Cool. That's cool.
Considering we've been looking for 18 months and there was a git up project, you know bloody found it, don't you?
No, no, no.
No, no idea. Oh, oh, look, we've been looking for this. Oh, great. Now we'll find it.
Oh yeah, but I mean.
You could go with GitHub.
Projects or you can go with a like a solution that has already been tested and implemented.
If there if only they would phone me back.
OK. Yeah. So they lost out.
Hmm. OK oops.
But that's OK, but that's all pretty cool as well. And so, yes, how's your next year's calendar going?
Well, actually now, because I'm I'm almost an MCT, I get to go to the MCT summit and apparently I'm on a panel, so apparently I need to do something.
Oh, yes, so you do.
Apparently you are, yes.
Every power needs a clown. Yes. And so marine was top of the list.
Right. So.
Exactly.
Yes, because I love to be the clown on panels. My favourite panel was a few years ago at in washer. I called this Warshaw, where we had a panel about AI and I said it's just going to be better because it makes me.
Make less decisions like for example. That's why I'm not wearing any underwear because that's one less decision I need.
I.
Make.
And after the conference, does these two ladies come over to me? Like, is it really true that you?
Know.
No, that's a joke. But actually what?
But actually that's the quality of your speech that people believe every word you say, maybe.
Yes.
But no. So so there's the MCT event that's going to be fun, the European collapse.
Manchester.
But I just got the e-mail that I get to speak there as well, and I'm also Co presenting there together with a young German lady called Laura Korn.
Nice.
It's.
She's not well. I don't. I everyone I talked about the Session 2 hasn't heard of her, but she has almost 10,000 people following her own TikTok where she has a channel around security in German. Nice in German. Yes, that's so she got about 10,000.
Wow.
Why we didn't?
Look at it.
Followers. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, you're peak, aren't you? You're peeking.
No, I don't know. It can only go downhill from here, I guess.
And that is true, of course. That's always the case. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Pretty neat.
Yeah. So.
So yeah, those things have been confirmed and the rest is still open, so we'll see.
The thing about all this is, though, is the reason that we have this opportunity is because of the whole ecosystem that we work with.
Mm-hmm. I mean, we sit there and talking about teams and channels and chats, and we know that it's something that's needed in some form or another and we know.
Hmm.
This.
Will have tweaks in it because when it gets rolled out, people will have new ideas and new generations. We just talked about the fact for the auto queues and everything else for teams voice.
Yeah.
And that's just in one application and you know with the the OneDrive and the SharePoint changes with AI and COPE and all that kind of stuff.
Oh yeah.
Oh.
This thing is never ending, so it's unlikely that we'll ever not be speaking or teaching or helping or supporting or doing.
You know. Yeah, yeah, it's an. It's an Evergreen environment. One of the things I'm I'm, for example, also very interested in is in the new.
We are very few people.
Yep.
Paid to do approvals on files.
Ohh yes, that's right. That was also talked about this week, yeah.
So apparently it's already rolled out in lists where you can just say, create an approval and it just creates the all approval flow.
The MS Teams approval.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then now it's gonna roll out to to documents as well to document libraries. So that is, I think, a very cool.
Libraries and lists.
Or a very welcome change that we would see, because to be honest, that whole way of doing the approval.
Is very very old. It looks very dated, looks very classic. So I'm I'm really happy.
It is.
It used to be better when it was 2003 approval. That was always easy to use.
Yes, preferably with some K2 workflows, workflows attached to it, because now when I need to do a workflow in power automate it always takes me like half an hour to set it up for every document library.
Yeah, the progress.
No pilot will do it immediately, won't it?
Potentially, potentially, but I've the the the copilot in power automate still for me.
Lacks a little bit of of togetherness, so it doesn't always produce what I kind of wanted to do, but what I have been doing is because I'm not trying to for current project trying to do lots of.
Specific things like for example adding M365 groups to a SharePoint site for example, so you need to talk to the HTTP you need to do these http://requests to talk to the graph interface or to the rest interface and for those things I've been inquiring the Web Co pilot.
Gotcha.
To ask like what should I write on there and what should the URLs be and yeah.
Working.
So good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's machine learning. Lots and lots of people get it right. Yeah. If you could choose any other industry to work with him, would you move?
Other than you know, being a pimp.
Yeah. So I'm, I'm. I was immediately thinking about the adult industry. But then again, if I was asked to work in a whiskey factory, maybe I would do that. Yeah.
Maybe yes, be a blender, but it would be difficult to try and find anything as dynamic as what we deal with now.
Yeah, something like that.
That is very true, and it's it is changing rapidly. Yep, but still in a way, how I can within my own niche, be comfortable?
That's going to be one of the downsides of trying to stretch too far into dynamics and stuff. You never, I mean.
Oh, no, I'm. I'm not. I'm not going to do that. We'll find the comments.
You're just gonna sit there on the side of the stage looking coy and going, pointing at things. If somebody else is doing.
The clever stuff.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like Wheel of fortune. I would be the the in the bikini just turning the letters. Yes, but no. But we but the the thing that we would do with the dynamics versus the the the SharePoint or collab stuff.
Is all about what are the common rules and and governance decisions that you can make that would impact both of these environments? Because she's coming from the dynamics well, she knows nothing about teams SharePoint, the whole collaboration system. I don't know anything about dynamic stuff.
Agreed.
So what are things when we talk about security, when we manage users and groups, we need to do that and it has an impact on both of these sides of the equation.
And when you start talking about sensitivity labels, which is across both platforms, all the compliance stuff, it's it's quite interesting scenario.
True, yeah.
Yeah.
And one of the other scenarios that we've been working on is there are different products that would have the same outcome. For example, if you want to build an X.
Internet would you want to use SharePoint or do you want to?
Use power pages.
No, I get that.
And that depends on what you want to do with it, of course, but.
Of course they have to be different. This thing is the same. It's relevant.
Yeah, exactly. But is there, like any good article that says, well, if you need this, then you need to do that and if you need this, then you need to do that. So that would be one of the topics that we want to discuss or show more information.
Well, I think that's very, very cool, because the other thing is that what would be really very neat is a ticketing system on MS Teams.
Oh, actually, we spoke about that in the last podcast. Yes, our sponsored contest from tickets by Saracen.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes. And tonight we're going to drink their third little DRAM that they're providing for us, courtesy of tickets by Cyrus. And if you haven't listened to episode 152, then you should. It's fun. As we started to talk about help desks and supports and.
MHM.
And this application running on MS Teams and if you like the whiskey side of what we do.
Here, then, we drank an absolutely amazing, amazing whiskey at the end of that episode, so you should catch that.
Yes, probably my most favourite whiskey of the year.
Long row 15. I drank it yesterday.
Yeah, with the yeah, with the the the red wine cars, yeah.
But like finish Cask, the New Zealand New World red.
Yeah. Ohh to die for. But tonight they have provided us with an Irish one. One that we've used on a number of occasions, but not quite like this, no.
And I used to have a bottle of the regular. Let me help you with that. Yeah. So we are talking about tealing whiskey and tealing. They do all kinds of physical stuff with their whiskies. So once more, oh, you got it. OK, cool.
You owed that and I'll pull the lid off. Thank you.
They do all kinds of cool stuff. They have a rum cask finish. Whiskey that I had I had, I think I even like two or three bottles because the missus likes to.
Drink a good rum cask whiskey now this one is special because this one is 16 years old. Yes, so.
It's also cask #4 and we always know that 3 was good, but 4 is better. Yeah. So it's a single cask.
MHM.
16 year old. It was bottled in 2021, which means that yeah, 2005.
Yeah.
MHM.
Ohh, just got all down my fingers.
Hmm.
Smelling my fingers.
There's no joke there, but you were very.
Good not to go there. No, no, no, no. Let's try to keep it decent. Why? I don't know.
I thought the X-rated podcast was on the other the other podcast.
OK, so you were behaving yourself. So. So this is a 16 year old Irish whiskey from the Teeling Distillery. It's a single cask, so this is all from 1 barrel and it's 51%. Ohh though and it's as you say it's a rum finish, so this is pretty pretty amazing.
Yes.
Sounds.
M.
So tickets by Saracen?
Don't worry, gato. Really. The Irish? Yeah, probably. It's very southern Irish.
Oh you can.
Now.
Yeah, it's nice and sweet. Hmm.
But that kind of molasses sweetness, yeah.
A little bit.
Of coconut. I'd get in there as well. But yeah, coconut man.
Well, do we know what Ron Cassidy was?
It's like nice and flowery. I don't know. And I didn't do any research on it either.
Doesn't say on here.
So it's alright.
So.
Steve goes in.
It's definitely a single cask and it's definitely 51%. OK. I shall let you find that out for yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
It's got a lot of depth to it and it's got quite a nice sort of bite, but it it fades away very quickly.
It's a kind of whiskey in this verse. No, I don't. I thought. I don't mean the the finish fades away, but that harshness.
No, he doesn't.
Fades away very quickly. Oh.
Yeah. Yes, it does, yes.
And it leaves that underlying. It's usually often the other way around. You get that smooth on the palate and you swallow it, and then the a build up of of heat. But in this case it's the other way around. Yeah, I.
Really love the finish. It's a long, full finish tones and it comes in waves. Yeah, every wave gives you like a little hint of something else.
Fruity.
So now I've got that.
Pineapple.
Yeah, it there. There's all these waves that are coming as from the from the finish and.
Umm, I got some flowers, I've got some hay, I've got some. Some of that brown bread.
Coming as well.
That was what you had for dinner tonight.
Maybe. Yeah, that's some white chocolate. No, no, it's.
And that's what you're just easing out?
The.
Box. It is really very nice.
We'd expect nothing else to be.
Honest.
So Nice is not really a good way to describe it. It is floral in the in the overall bigger picture of tones, but it it's not. It's not 16 year old smooth. It still has some balls to it, yes.
No, it's got more. Yeah, exactly. Because I have to say we've been, we've, we've been whisky snobs for years now because.
And every time we drink.
More expensive older W9 times out of 10 I am missing that ballsy that oomph that you get from a young.
The Deanston finger, yeah.
Exactly so.
Especially from an Irish to be fair.
1st.
Especially from an Irish, but I can't remember a I love peated whiskey. I just can't remember the brand. I don't think it was Arabic.
But the the kalila the 18 year old is like smooth but it just likes that. Yeah, on that you get in a younger one. It's still vaguely there but not really present. And this one is stealing 16 year old.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Don't cost still has balls, it is still there. It will still **** you up, even if it's a little older.
Marion likes this. You can probably hear it in the voice, but the finish really is. It's minutes, isn't it? I mean, and it. And it goes. As I said, it finishes with pineapple. There's even a hint of chocolate there halfway.
Hmm.
Just thieves?
So that I think that's probably what you mean about Brown.
Bread.
Hmm.
But no, I yeah, it's it's a very, very complex drink.
Yes, and it doesn't.
You.
You wouldn't expect that.
No, no, but this has complexities. So if if this would be double the price, I think it would still be worth it.
True.
I won't argue with that. Yeah, this is very, very good.
It's it really holds up to any whiskies that are double of the of the price. Nice, feisty.
Super complex, yes.
Yeah, I think it's in layers. It certainly is in layers. I mean, it's the room cast. We've had room casks before. Yeah. And we do love them, there's no doubt about it. It's one of my favourite. Although that red wine, as we said from last week was pretty cool. But I know it's not going to last long.
Yeah, that was really good.
Uh.
But I blew Nick tea away from it. So so Nick team's Nick Tyrt is is is a colleague of ours just to catch, if you like beer, then you should catch their podcast IT on tap. It's it's.
Yeah.
Where they mixed technology with beer, I wonder where they got that idea from.
Pretty focused on.
Yeah.
Don't know at all, but it's a good little podcast. Yeah, they just started. They're only episode 3 or 4 and but they do security stuff and and.
Stories so they their their new episode, which hasn't gone live yet, is talking about how a a virus and a security worm took out off the world. So Peter sort of on a on a charge till the talk about the dangers of not managing your viruses.
Hmm.
But so yes, so Nick also got to taste the the long way from last week or the last episode, but this really is good. I pineapple, is there all the time? I know you've not said it or you agreed with it. I get a lot of pineapple. I like pineapple even now 2 minutes after three minutes I can.
OK.
Of course, of course.
Still, taste that sharp acid. You know sweet acid.
It's still there, yeah.
Yeah, of of pineapple.
But it's very floral on the nose. I like it such a lot.
Yeah.
It's because I've I've had this the regular version of this and that is nice, but that is very drinkable. Yeah, you would pour one in, you would drink it. You would have, like, conversation. You would pour another one this.
Is not that.
No, this silence you while you taste it. This actually makes you go.
Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. Now, very, very cool. Well, Cyrus and people there with the ticket product. Thank you very much. This is a beautiful closing drink as we go through this process of sponsorship with ticket.
And check out their websites. They've took it with video recorded 53.
So there's a video recordings being edited down and and made available so that would be fun. They may or may not leave in the fact that my battery ran out halfway through the very unprofessional heading.
Yeah.
What a mistake to make?
Yeah, but I did take it out of the the mix down on the podcast. So you guys don't.
Know it happened.
OK, so seamless, but if you catch the video, you might just get the point where Steve's gone. Anyway, let's carry on talking while he's gone.
Out of the way.
Yeah. Oh.
That's funny. So, but that's pretty cool. It happens. All right, interesting podcast.
Hmm.
Yes, we kind of went all over the place, but I'm happy that we got to discuss the value of community. I'm happy that we got to discuss changing channels, chat, chat channels, yes, yeah.
So.
Yeah, we did.
Check check channels, check, check, check. Check. No, I I think it's true. And. And what we don't often do.
Is really sort of touch base on what happens every single day, and that something in this ecosphere gets updated and changed, you know, and Microsoft may well pull stuff out. But you know, every week there's some improvement or some basis for improvement. And this is something long time missing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The ability to have that flexibility to completely customise the channels and the chats that are important to you at that any given time and I can also find myself, I can imagine myself.
Being very.
Inconsistent about where I go with these sections and what I add to those sections so it will be changed every week because this is the **** I'm dealing with. That's me cause so I can bring the chats in. I can bring the documents in from the channels. I can kind of change my priorities from an agile perspective. We can work out what we're running on that.
Then to make sure we've got that information front and centre in a particular section, you can plan so you can have a section called next week.
And put the stuff in you're dealing with next week, so even if somebody is currently updating, you can then sort of take your time out and say, OK, I'm going to fancy on this section now and.