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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Katrina: So welcome to the Hype Pod.
Let me start there.
Welcome to the Hype Pod.
Um, we, um, have awesome
conversations around the
intersection of innovation and faith.
Let's go.
Business, technology, innovation,
all those things from a
faith filled perspective.
So I need to start off by saying
if you are jumping in on the
conversation here hit subscribe
So that you don't miss a beat.
We've got a lot of things coming up,
which we can chat through amen in a
little bit Oh, i'm excited about that.
Yeah, but i'm here with pastor adams.
Welcome.
Hello pastor vance roush And um, this
is the hype pod hype network podcast.
Yes.
Yeah best podcast
Ps Vance: in podcast land Yeah,
we just hit number one the
other day On in what category?
On, uh, on a chart somewhere.
In a very narrow category.
Katrina: Yeah, I don't know what
it is, but we're in the top 50.
Ps Vance: Are we ready?
You are!
Literally.
Number
Katrina: 47.
Ps Vance: Of what?
Katrina: I'm not sure, but
they're Christian podcasts.
There you
Ps Vance: go!
Silicon Valley based
Christian podcasts are number
Katrina: 47.
But like Joyce Myers is number one, and
there's like a Dave Ramsey somewhere in
Ps Adam: the top 10.
Yeah, she's hard to top all that Joyce y.
No.
She's hard to top all that.
One time, one time my wife got given
a compliment when we were um, Our
youth pastors at the time, she had an
opportunity to preach on Sunday, and she
was mingling with the pastors and the
pastor's wife at the time, and this guy
on staff come up and said, you know what?
You are the best female pastor.
Creature under 30, like H
category, he kept whittling down,
compliment got less and less.
Under
Ps Vance: 30, that's over 5'4
with brown hair and blue eyes,
like literally number one.
Ps Adam: Yeah, it was,
uh, it was pretty harsh.
Katrina: That's so wrong.
Anyway,
Ps Adam: we're number 47 on some category.
Katrina: Hey, there's millions
of podcasts out there.
I don't know how many Christian
podcasts there are, but.
On
Ps Vance: tech.
Faith and innovation
Katrina: are the number one and
Ps Vance: love it, but it is a
sign that people are listening.
I'm blessed every single time somebody
approaches me, whether it's on a
Sunday service in Mountain View or
I'm at one of our other locations,
or I'm just at a ministry event
and people are talking about it.
People are listening to you actually
had somebody tell you the other day.
Yeah.
I had people tell me the
other day to listen to like
the Netherlands or something.
We were
Ps Adam: in, uh, actually I was in Canada.
That's right.
And, uh, as I was in Canada, and,
um, and, uh, they were telling me how
much they love the Hype Pod, but, uh,
I'd love, I'd love people to do this.
It would be really cool.
Cause I'm always interested
in what else do you listen to?
Are you listening to Joyce
Meyer along with Hype Pod?
What would be cool?
If people could, right where you are
right now, screenshot your podcast
list, make sure Hypod's in the
photo, um, and then just hashtag us
and, um, I'm sure Katrina, you'll
repost them on the, on the Instagram,
Katrina: Instagram.
And then if you want to send questions
or send topics that you want us to
cover, you can email aroon at podcast.
hypodcast.
com.
Yes.
Oh,
Ps Adam: look at that.
Arun is still alive.
Katrina: Arun is still alive.
He's not here today.
Ps Adam: Still putting out fires.
Katrina: Yes, but he said this has got
to be a really special episode because it
is just a few days after your birthday.
That's correct.
Ps Vance: Happy birthday.
Thank you.
Thanks team.
And
Katrina: um, he sent me a few things.
I've got a couple topics that I wanted
to cover, but before we go into that,
I want to make sure we cover it in the
very beginning because by the time people
are listening to this, we're probably
just a few days out of Amen experience.
Yes.
So front load it.
there.
Yeah.
I mean, there's still
Ps Adam: time to come.
Katrina: Yes.
And I just love to hear what
you're most excited about.
I know because there's always, well,
we've had the plans in place for months.
I know there's like some fun
surprises and exciting additions.
There
Ps Adam: is
Katrina: anything you want to
share with the hype network.
Ps Adam: Yeah, I'll kick off,
uh, let, let Vance close out
with what he's excited about.
But, uh, I've been in a full day
of meetings already, just looking
at everything from the openers, the
creativity elements, um, the art
of sessions, I've got, uh, all the
different speakers talking to me
about what they're going to bring and.
I'm really conflicted because I don't know
how to tell them I'm not going to be able
to be in their session because there's
so many things happening all at once.
Um, but that just creates a really
good tension to where you're going
to be on site and in what session.
Yeah.
Um.
Because there's like
Katrina: over 20.
There's
Ps Adam: 30.
Katrina: 30 sessions.
Ps Adam: 30 sessions.
Happening throughout the day and then
Katrina: amazing main sessions at night.
Every night.
Exactly.
Ps Adam: And I think just in and of
itself, the art of sessions during
the day are going to be spectacular.
Hype House is going to be back
bigger and better than ever.
But the evening sessions, I am super
excited about from just a creativity
level, um, what I know God's going to do.
And I feel there's going to be a real
prophetic tone to this conference,
which, uh, I I'm really kind of
Ps Vance: leaning into myself.
Yeah.
I'm really excited.
I mean, we've been, you know, at
conferences this past year, past
your Adam and don't get me wrong.
I love worship.
I mean, particularly I love vibe worship.
If I can be honest, I love high quality,
excellent worship that glorifies God.
Um, where the lyrics are intentional
and all that type of stuff.
And we're going to get that from the
main sessions that you just talked about.
Uh, but I think what, uh, makes a
main conference unique on top of
that is the way that we do the days.
Yes, you know, like we were just
actually talking to some friends
in Canada at this conference that
we were at and it was a beautiful
conference, uh, like many conferences.
It was a lot of back to back worship
experiences and things like that.
And it was beautiful because
we can contrast our conference
with other people's.
Uh, basically bringing to the table
something new, like, Hey, during the day,
it's not actually worship experiences.
You're going to be hearing
from Michelin star chefs.
You're going to be actually
hearing from venture capitalists.
You're going to be hearing from
hairstylists and they all love Jesus
and it's another form of worship.
Actually, it is a worship experience,
but just in a different format.
And that was also intriguing
and appealing to them.
And it's a thing that I get pumped about.
Katrina: Yeah.
Talk about.
Yeah.
The theme real quick because if
if a listener is just jumping
in and they just found us
Ps Adam: Yeah,
Katrina: what why did we call it welcome?
Ps Adam: Uh, if you just found
us, so we call it the art of this
year Uh each and every year we do
a different theme and this year.
I really felt specifically Uh direction
to call it the art of because when you
are When you act like an artist in your
field, uh, you actually begin to, that
comes from coming into agreement with
God, the giftings that God's given you.
And when you put those giftings
to work, I mean, you're just
like an artist in your craft.
And so it's really formed around that.
And we wanted to highlight different
industries when it comes to innovation.
You might be a tech founder, but
you, I mean, we've got a Michelin
star chef that that's an art form.
We've got, yeah, the stylist, different
things like that, that these are artists
in their field and they're innovating.
Yeah.
The innovating in the way that they do
it because they've got a skill set that
once you've got the skill down in a
task, that's when you begin to innovate.
Beautiful.
I don't think you innovate until you've
actually got the base level skill.
Katrina: Right.
Ps Adam: To do a, to a job.
And so I think it's just
going to be really insightful,
uh, on, on so many levels.
I think that you're going to be able
to learn and draw from something
outside of your, from Peripheral view
right now, if you're on the day to
day in the tech scene, maybe you could
appreciate from someone who makes wine
or someone who does something else.
And I think vice versa, I think it's
going to be really, uh, what's the word
probably not just inspirational, but.
Igniting.
Yeah, I think people gonna get
that that ready set go out of this.
I'm
Ps Vance: looking forward to that.
It was funny we were talking this
past Sunday because We're sharing with
the church about him in conference
like we've been doing the last few
weeks and I was just making mention
We need to make it known to people
that Hey, it's well worth it.
Even if you can only go
to the evening session.
Yeah.
Right.
Uh, because those main sessions are
really, uh, what it's all about.
Presence of God, worshiping all
together and getting that ignition,
uh, that inspiration that you're
talking about that, that starting gun
moment for what God has for your life.
Ps Adam: Um, the day is very
different from the night.
Like you said, you know, you go to some
conferences and um, the worship warriors
love it because you're worshiping
four or five different sessions.
For me, and I love
worship, but I get tired.
Sure.
If I've got like 14 worship sessions.
That's a lot.
Man, I'm like, All right, we sung
that song, you know, and do it again.
It's like, man, how many times can
we labor on a, on a bridge, you know?
And, um, so, but we
just really reserve it.
We reserve it for just,
just furious at night.
And then, uh, in the
day it's very cerebral.
Katrina: Yes.
It's, it's, so if you want more
information, if you haven't
registered yet, you can go to AMNX.
org.
com.
It's June 26th through 28th.
But if you want to come in a little
bit early, we do have open house,
which is really cool on June 25th.
So this is for, um, other
teams, other churches.
I love that we are open handed
with the things that we've
already learned as a church.
So that's, that's going to be
really exciting for those teams.
Um, and like you said, all
throughout the day, the, the house.
The Hype House will be open.
That's a tongue twister.
The Hype House will be open.
So there's space for co
working and networking.
Um, but get here for the main session.
Yeah, for sure.
It's kind of exciting
Ps Adam: right now because I
looked outside and the Hype
House is getting built right now.
As soon as you see the Hype House
getting built, you know, conferences.
On baby, the bones
Katrina: are
Ps Vance: nostalgic starts coming back,
but it's also like it's nostalgia mixed
in with God's about to do something for
Katrina: sure.
It's like this
Ps Vance: beautiful combination of that.
I love it.
I'm
Katrina: expecting of that.
Okay.
Let's jump into things.
Okay.
Let's go.
Are you ready?
I've got, I feel like they're hot topics.
Okay.
I'll start.
I'll start kind of like,
don't need no cold topics.
We want hot topics.
All right.
Well, I know AI is
always the topic on this.
On this conversation space, but, um,
Apple just had its big conference, right?
It's WW, WWDC.
I've got all the alliteration.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: Confused with WWJD.
Katrina: Yeah.
Or
Ps Adam: yes,
Katrina: yes, exactly.
Developers conference.
She was
Ps Vance: going to say WWE.
I was going to, that's
Katrina's background.
No, but then she retracted it.
Cause she's like, Oh,
pastor, I'm not going there.
Katrina: I literally was going to.
I'm talking about what would Jesus do.
Randy Smith.
Savage, Hulk Hogan.
Yes, there you go.
Okay, stop.
That's the 80s.
Kids.
Ps Adam: Kids.
Katrina: Well, okay, they just had their
conference and so I thought, I don't know
if you watched it, I don't know if you
picked up on it, but one of the hot topics
is the partnership with Apple and OpenAI.
Right.
So, um, just ChatGPT being a function
within Siri would love to talk about it.
You know, I think that, um,
there's been lots of conversations,
it looks very exciting.
They've also, um, Um, AI as Apple
intelligence as in, in the space of Apple.
Of course they did.
Of
Ps Vance: course they did.
It's audacious.
I mean, the most valuable
company in the world.
I think they can do whatever they want.
Yeah, I think they can.
Elon's livid though.
Katrina: But that's what I wanted to
talk about because I wanted to see.
Elon Musk
Ps Vance: is livid.
Katrina: Yeah, there's a
conversation to be had.
I mean, he did, I have a quote of him.
He said, um, on X, if Apple
integrates open AI as the OS
level, Then Apple devices will
be banned at all my companies.
Ps Adam: Yeah, what's
his reason behind that?
Ps Vance: Well, he just believes
that it is a data breach.
It's a privacy breach
To be able to pull from
Ps Adam: your emails and pull from yeah
Ps Vance: Because you obviously have to
share some level of data with open AI
for them to do these You know Treatments
to your queries and things like that.
Is
Ps Adam: it a data breach or is it?
Direct competition to grok.
Well, that's the
Ps Vance: question, right?
Is he tweeting out of bitterness
and spite or from first principles?
Right, maybe both.
I don't know But I thought
that was interesting.
Ps Adam: Yeah, I think it's interesting,
you know, uh from from just typing
on the elon thing I think it's either
you get mad or you get even right.
Uh, this is like a Really
good point for any founder.
Um, you can't really build a
moat It's hard to build a moat
around your product, right?
Because the moment you start digging
a trench someone can just buy more
people to dig a bigger trench faster
So to build a moat is very difficult
I know that used to be what we talked
about, you know back in the day when
you know protect your product your idea
But let's be honest like who would?
You know I mean, for you to go,
well, we're the first to AI does
not mean that you're so far down the
line because the way that everyone's
coming out with an AI competitor.
Now, um, there is, there is a
lot of competition already in the
market, so he can get mad about it
and be like, I'm going to ban my
employees from having Apple phones.
Cool.
What else are they going to use?
Katrina: Yeah.
Are
Ps Adam: they going to use Android?
Because they've got, they're
going to have AI on them.
So unless you're going to come to
market with your own phone, um, which
maybe he has got a plan for that,
Katrina: if anybody could
Ps Adam: do it, Elon could do it.
They've talked about Xphone,
they've talked about Tesla phone.
Yeah.
I've heard that for sure.
Katrina: Right.
Ps Adam: And, and so I think it's like,
um, okay, you could say, Hey, that would
be a good, that would be a good move.
This is the reason why I don't
want you to have an iPhone, but
you can bring an X phone, but the
next is going to do the same thing.
Right?
Katrina: Yeah.
Can you, for brand new listeners,
explain what mote means?
Cause we don't have, I mean, not
everybody is an entrepreneur.
They want to be entrepreneurs.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: Whether you call it a motor
or a barrier, uh, to, you know, to,
I guess protecting your product.
Okay.
So if you have a moat on a castle,
like I've got all my intelligence in
the castle and I don't want anybody
to infiltrate my castle and take all
my ideas or take all my stuff, let
me build a moat, fill it with water
and crocodile so no one can cross it.
That's kind of the mentality when you
get a product, if I was to build a moat
around it, what do I do to protect my
products so that nobody can take that
Intel that, that, uh, and maybe it's
used to be a patent back in the day, but
now it could be, um, just, I'm so far
ahead that it's too hard to get to sure.
You know, so build with such scale
and speed that the moat or the gap
between where I am and where someone
could come into the market is too vast.
Katrina: Does that feel irrelevant
now, especially in the space of AI?
No, it
Ps Adam: does.
That's my point.
I don't think you can
build a moat with AI.
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Because it's changing so rapidly.
Sure.
Um, it's not like back in the day
where you could build an iPhone
and then it's like, wow, like, you
know, that's so far in advance.
Now, AI, I don't think what we see.
What we saw two months ago is almost
Ps Vance: redundant.
Katrina: Yeah.
A lot, a
Ps Vance: lot of my founder
friends, um, we kind of joke around
sometimes on like when you're first
starting your first company, right?
You're so nervous.
You, you want everybody to sign an NDA.
You don't want to tell anybody your idea.
Um, even though you don't really have
anything yet, um, you're just so like
nervous cause you feel like the idea is
the moat and then you start executing
and realizing actually, you know what?
Anybody can know what I'm building.
I'm actually going to build in public.
Cause like you try to build it.
Like
Ps Adam: it's,
Ps Vance: it's that hard.
Funny
Ps Adam: thing is all the potential
companies we've had pitched to
us to get investment from us.
If they've ever asked us to sign an NDA
about not the product is like something
we don't want to invest in anyway.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Isn't that crazy?
Does that
Katrina: happen?
Like when you're pitching?
Oh, you're an investor.
You'd ask the investor to sign the end.
I think
Ps Vance: it's it's a sign.
It's a sign though that you're a
little bit of a rookie I mean to to be
transparent I had a similar mentality
early on with overflow Especially
because I felt like I was creating
something new in the market stock
donations wasn't really a thing at all.
Yeah Um, and then I realized Like
actually, that is just one of many
things that we're going to innovate.
And actually to pass on his point, um,
it is a lot more about speed and scale.
Specifically.
What I found is that more experienced
founders, they're way less stressed about.
Product moats, and they're way
more focused on distribution hacks.
Whoever has the advantage in distribution,
whoever has, has that exclusive
partnership, that, that, um, exclusive,
uh, way to be able to penetrate a market.
That's what experienced founders I
found are more obsessed about now
because, okay, let's talk about AI.
In the world of AI, creating products
actually just got easier, right?
Um, you literally are going to be able
to use chat, GBT or whatever other LLM.
And you're going to be
able to create an app.
You know, most people
can't create an app today.
I believe in 18 months.
It's the everyday average person
will be able to create an app.
So product building just got easier.
And so it's things like taste.
It's things like knowing the consumer.
It's things like knowing how to
get to the consumer and market.
Marketing is actually
going to be more of a moat.
Brand is going to be more of a moat.
Yeah.
Then the actual underlying product.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: I mean, let's come
back to WWDC for a moment.
I mean, they've got, uh,
the, the product releases.
I haven't seen all of them, but I did,
uh, kind of hear about putting, uh,
open AI into Siri, really enabling Siri.
And I think that maybe I guess from
my perspective, I'm hoping that maybe
AI has an actual function that I might
use up until now, because I'm not using
AI for design, I'm not using AI for
really a lot of things at the moment.
And so it's like, it seems
to be this market that's had.
It's like tons, like gazillions of dollars
of investment, but not much output,
Katrina: right?
Ps Adam: Really relatively speaking,
relatively speaking for how much
investment's gone into AI, actively
Ps Vance: using it.
So it hasn't penetrated the full market.
That's what I'm saying.
Like,
Ps Adam: and I would say I'm a good
test case for if the market has
actually got fit in everyday life.
Yeah.
So, I mean, there's a lot of chatter
about it, a lot of excitement.
Imagine what it could do.
It's like, okay.
So maybe it's.
It's hitting some music makers, maybe
it's hitting some designers, maybe
it's doing maybe some of those things.
But if it's actually functional
for me, all of a sudden I can
actually ask Siri to book a flight.
I can ask Siri to do this and
it, it tailors to my daily needs.
Yeah.
Then I'm going to get excited
Ps Vance: about it.
Yeah.
This is actually a good point because I
do think that people are overestimating
startup companies advantage with AI.
I actually think that.
The advantage with AI
is with the incumbents
Ps Adam: because of
Ps Vance: distribution.
So, um, we're, we're just not
like actively on open AI cause
it's another subscription.
It's another thing I have to
adopt and things like that.
I mess around with it here and
there, but at this point I'm
using Google's Gemini every day.
Why?
Cause it's embedded
into the Google search.
Now it's literally the number
one thing on Google searches.
They're automatically using Gemini
because of Google's distribution.
Yeah.
Right.
We're automatically going to use it.
And then with, I have an iPhone, right.
If it's embedded into my iPhone, I'm
just literally probably going to use it.
Exactly.
Right.
And so the incumbents actually have
the advantage with AI startups are
going to actually have a hard time.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
I think startups are going to have a hard
time unless they're finding a distribution
plan or an additional element to, you
know, use across any, anything I think,
um, and Apple has another advantage
to really create if they can bring.
Their iphone merge it with siri using
openai's network And then they can
actually maybe do a new product which
is an earpiece a constant wearable or
something like that that Uh, you can have
directions voice, you know that kind of
stuff Um, because I find i've been doing
this a lot lately anytime i'm traveling.
I literally have my airpods in Most
of the flight and I'll even mute and
talk to the, you know, the awareness
thing now and the transparency
kind of like does it automatically.
Yeah.
And then you can talk to people
and you can hear them fine.
And so I'm like, Oh man, I actually
could see a world where there would be an
earpiece wearable where it's not visual.
I think everyone's been
focusing on visuals.
What if it's just audio and
signals and conversation?
Have
Ps Vance: you watched
the movie her lately?
No, I haven't.
You have to rewatch her.
Katrina: Oh, yeah.
Ps Vance: Yeah, I mean there's some
raunchy parts, so I'm not giving
it the Christian approval, but um,
I've never heard of this movie.
Oh my gosh.
You have to watch it tonight.
Yeah.
Quick
Katrina: synopsis.
It's Joaquin Phoenix.
Ps Vance: Okay.
Katrina: And, um, he gets out
of a really, I won't give you,
cause you're going to watch it.
Is it a relationship?
Okay.
Thank you.
And then, um, you should.
Cause there's so much context to here.
Ps Adam: Okay.
Well, I just feel like I've
got Jedi mind tripped into.
You're gonna watch this.
I'm gonna watch this.
But there's so
Katrina: much context to
what's happening right now.
So basically, there's a
relationship between the ads.
Okay, so this
Ps Vance: was released in 2012, 2013.
I think so.
And literally, Pastor Adam,
literally, they predicted the AirPods.
Yeah.
They literally predicted it.
But they go next level
to what you're saying.
Everybody is wearing earpieces.
And literally, everybody
is wearing AirPods.
Everything is kind of
like through that lens.
They actually have the whole
virtual reality thing, augmented
reality thing figured out.
But it's so crazy because I
just watched it last week.
Right.
And it feels like this is
gonna happen next year.
Yeah.
It's, it's so weird because
this, this came out in like
Katrina: 2013,
Ps Vance: right?
And it's just, it's strange.
So, Yeah, I'm intrigued now and
Ps Adam: I'll,
Ps Vance: you should
Ps Adam: definitely watch it
while I'm watching it tonight.
Um, but the, but I think that, you
know, when I, when I look at AI and the
conversations around what AI can do, it's
like it can translate languages real time.
Cool.
How?
Well, if I have an earpiece and as
someone's talking to me in Italian,
I'm hearing or it's training me
to, maybe I can remove words that
I already know so that I, it only
feels the words I don't know because
it knows where I'm at by hearing.
Up to undo a lingo or wherever I'm up
to in my Italian course or lessons.
I think it's filling in the blanks
like a real time, you know, tutor
that I can see how, you know, an
application would be an earpiece or
something that works with my iPhone.
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Cause it's
already got the engine.
I'm so used to this engine.
Being with me for
everything, for payments, for
Ps Vance: whatever.
And so, yeah, I feel like people
have underestimated, uh, the
power staying power of the iPhone.
I think the iPhone sticking
around for a while.
It's just so good.
It's like, you know, the, the
goggles haven't replaced it yet.
No, that's going to be hard.
Katrina: I got to use case for you.
Okay.
So zoom CEO.
Eric Yuan, I believe, uh, yes.
Okay, so he has, um, come out
talking about how he wants to
develop a digital twin technology.
So, so in essence, it's a use case
for deep fakes in a positive way, or
basically you created, users would
be able to create a digital clone
of themselves to attend meetings.
I want to be half of you.
So is that something you would use?
I mean, even this AI should
be able to like make decisions
for you in the meeting.
Yeah.
What are your thoughts?
Ps Adam: Oh, I mean, I
think about liabilities.
Yeah.
That's, that's my head goes to, and
maybe it's, it depends on the industry,
but as a pastor, if you're giving either
pastoral advice or you're giving direction
to team, just say the twin, your twin
gives a advice that ends up costing the
company money or something like that.
Who's liable?
Yeah.
what I mean?
And then.
You know, cause I already get people
saying, Oh, you know, you throwing my name
around in, in meetings that was a general
kind of discussion, not a decision.
Um, and so I already get that
and have to kind of control that.
Katrina: Yeah,
Ps Adam: so I don't know the
liability factor would I use it?
Katrina: Yeah I mean you're both of
you are in so many meetings and i'm
sure quite a few of them are virtual.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Yeah Um, would would you use it?
I I wouldn't use it.
Uh, uh, because meeting isn't just like
Ps Vance: about giving direction It's
knowing stuff too Well, I mean, I
think the argument is that AI will
know stuff even better than our brain.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so, so I wouldn't
frame it as a deep fake.
Um, and if it's framed that
way, I probably wouldn't use it.
Yeah.
But it's funny because, um,
we're filming right now.
In the midst of filming
generosity, generosity, university.
So I have a, uh, a team of teachers
actually in the other room filming this
content and we're doing some stories.
Uh, and so we're going to do a long form
form story, kind of a testimony format,
and then I want everybody to do a 60
second version for, um, Instagram and for
Tik TOK and reels and things like that.
And so, uh, one of the teachers, Liana.
She basically took her four minute story
that she wrote out and she put it in chat.
She B T and say, chat, you B T make
the 60 seconds and it was really good.
Like it was really good.
And, um, I was like, Whoa,
like I haven't used chat.
You B T that much.
And she was just showing me and she's
like, actually it has all my The
reason why it's actually this good is
because I've trained my little robot.
Um, it knows all the history of
all the other reels that I've
asked it to cut into 60 seconds.
And so it also knows my
voice and things like that.
And so I think for something that has the
system of curation, review and approval.
I think that type of flow for publishing
to social media is a hack, right?
For something that is going to represent
me in an important meeting, that seems
unlikely that I would ever do, right?
To the liability question, that
seems, um You know, what if they
hallucinate, you know, I don't have,
you know, approval rights on the
decisions being made in that meeting.
Right.
So I probably wouldn't do that.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't see it working in the,
and that's not what I want.
I don't think that's what I want AI to do.
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: I think I want AI to just help
me like a super advantage maybe in, uh,
Hey, you know letting me know when there's
actually an epic flight deal or hey,
here's some really killer You want Jarvis?
Yeah, you want Jarvis?
Exactly.
Exactly.
I want Jarvis from Iron Man.
You don't want a mini Adam.
Do you want Jarvis?
Hey Pastor Adam, I know you've been
busy, but there's some stocks on the
move and you should maybe make a move.
You know, oh cool.
Let me look at that.
You know, yeah, that's
kind of where I want.
Katrina: Okay, you don't
want a digital twin.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: I don't want a digital twin.
Katrina: You want it.
I don't know the kind, who's
the, who's Jarvis reference?
Ps Vance: Oh, that's Iron Man.
Katrina: I thought you don't like Marvel.
I
Ps Vance: don't.
You know, you're watching
WWE and not Iron Man.
My gosh.
I don't have to like
something to know about it.
You want
Katrina: like a butler.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: that's right.
A personal assistant.
Actually, I did see a really great
meme about that where it's like,
hang on, how come AI is doing all
the fun stuff and I'm still doing the
ironing and the washing and the, like,
why did I just surrender my life?
All the cool stuff.
Yeah.
Why do they get to, why do
Ps Vance: they get to make movies
Ps Adam: and I have to do dishes and
make music and I'm, I'm folding and
that's your, that's what your humanoid is
Katrina: for, right?
So if you bring,
Ps Adam: yeah, that's where you
need the humanoid to come in.
Katrina: You got to bring in figure.
What is it?
Figure one.
Ps Adam: You know what?
I'll be honest.
I don't know if I want a twin, but I do.
I'm down for humanoid.
Katrina: Yeah.
To do all those things.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
I mean, I've got landscaping.
Ps Vance: I got, well, that, that's
definitely going to be automated, right?
Yeah.
For sure.
I definitely would.
That's definitely.
Like AI needs to do that faster.
How
Katrina: far off do you think
that that is that we'd have
humanoids in our everyday life?
Like that it would be just on the
consumer level that we'd have.
Three years,
Ps Vance: but I think it's going
to be very functionally specific.
I think it's going to be a
robot for washing dishes.
Okay.
I think it's going to be
a robot for doing laundry.
I think, but that, isn't
Ps Adam: that what, uh, the, the Boston,
uh, companies doing and stuff like that.
Boston Robotics.
Yeah.
They're trying to make it a bit.
More versatile.
Yeah,
Katrina: so that's the argument because
there are obviously already co bots in all
of like manufacturing and fab facilities
Right, but this is a robot Made to human
form so that it can do multiple things.
But I
Ps Vance: also think it's like,
does it have to be in human form?
Katrina: Yeah.
That's the the argument, like if it's
Ps Vance: gonna do the dishes, why can't
it just be a good robot that does dishes?
Why does it have to look like us ? Yeah.
You know what I mean?
There's probably a more efficient way
to con construct the robot to do dishes.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Katrina: Why does it or it to
Ps Vance: put lunge?
Why does it have to have
to be more productive?
What does it have to look like?
Vans folding the laundry.
This is a question.
Katrina: Yeah, I should
have because I'm not
Ps Vance: the best.
Construct to fold laundry
like I'm very inefficient,
but then is it not a humanoid?
Katrina: Yeah, it should have
well That's what I'm saying.
I feel like fold and wash.
I feel like
Ps Vance: some of these some of these
geniuses Need to just take the first step.
I feel like we're trying to take
step number 10, but we haven't done
step number one yet, like, let's
all just outsource to your point,
landscaping, dishes, and laundry.
Let's just do that.
That's a huge market.
You want a team of
Katrina: humanoid then our
team of robots doing that.
Ps Vance: Before we talk about Terminator.
Katrina: Yeah,
Ps Vance: let's just do dishes first.
Let's just do that.
Or is it because our
Ps Adam: world is built for humans
Katrina: and that's the argument for
figure one So, you know, it's like
Ps Adam: we have doorways
built for humans.
We have steps built for humans.
Ah, that's a good point We have you know
elevators built for human like all the
things human centered It's human centered.
So what is optimal is
actually exactly human.
Yeah, because i'm sure um, you know
having a Mower that is looks like a mower.
It'll mow my lawns, but it's not
going to do my dishes You But could a
humanoid mow my lawns and do the dishes?
Ps Vance: Okay, here here's a question
because this is an actual use case Is
it better to have a Roomba or is it
better to have a humanoid with a vacuum?
No, no, you're right.
No, you're right, but a
Ps Adam: humanoid, uh can do the
Roomba and something, whereas the
room can pretty much just do carpet.
That's true.
You know, like, yeah.
So I think it's, I think that's
why they're going down the humanoid
thing and why it's like, oh, it
does really good right now as it
can identify an orange or an egg.
Yeah, but, uh, can it not break a dish?
Yeah,
Katrina: but you think three
years like it's that close.
Ps Vance: Oh in the humanoid front.
Sorry.
No, I don't know if that's three years
Um, I was just saying like finding
out how to commercialize robotics
to do all of our everyday tasks.
I think it's really close Yeah,
Katrina: wow, but if
Ps Vance: we're going the
humanoid route, I don't know.
I that feels farther but
Katrina: Yeah
Ps Adam: I'll go, uh, let
me just throw out here.
I feel, uh, probably in the next
five to 10, I feel like in the five
to 10, in the next decade window.
Um, so what are we in now?
2024.
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Okay.
So by 2034, I think we're going to
have a lot of things that, because if
you go back 10 years, okay, go back to
2014, we didn't have self driving cars.
We didn't have, um, a ton of things that
we have now that is just normal every day.
Um, and so in that last decade, and
everything is exponential because if you
go back 20 years, we didn't have iPhone.
Right, right.
So there are so many things that have
actually accelerated from when the
iPhone came into automated driving
cars and they're legal on road now
and, and now we've got flying cars.
That are just waiting for FAA regulations
and all those kinds of things, right?
Alright,
Ps Vance: philosophical question, if,
if a humanoid was available today, Would
you feel comfortable with the humanoid
in your house with your daughters
and your wife when you're not there?
I think I'm I'm comfortable with that.
Okay for me the barrier is price point Oh,
Katrina: but
Ps Vance: you're comfortable
with a human one.
Okay.
Like an actual, like
life-sized version of human.
Do I get to name human ? Sure.
But I'm just saying like, what,
you know, there's no nervousness.
You that Yeah.
That Jarvis is gonna
hallucinate and be dangerous.
Yeah.
I mean that's, that's,
that's, I think you haven't
Katrina: watched Westworld yet, huh?
We've been saying No, I haven't,
Ps Adam: but I
Katrina: What?
Ps Adam: That's, you will
watch, watch after her.
Yeah.
No, I, um, that's why I think it's
gonna determine how big is this thing?
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Like, if it's a
gigantic thing, and it's like,
wow, it's got like Oh, you mean
Katrina: like, actual size.
Yeah, size.
Not industry.
Okay, got it.
I don't know.
Ps Adam: Size.
Like Okay.
If I got a giant in my house
or is it, I could take it,
I could take it out.
Ps Vance: No, I mean like, yes, you
can, you can take, you can take it out.
I'm just like, if it's like a robot
and they don't feel pain and stuff
like that, like that's why it has a
monster, some level of power, restorative
Katrina: energy,
Ps Adam: and
Katrina: it's, and it's back.
I'm studying you.
And developing a brain to
study my weaknesses It knows
Ps Vance: when i'm asleep.
I think today I personally I don't know if
i'd be comfortable with that today There's
there'd have to be a little kids for sure.
That's part of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's part of it Yeah, the smoke em
Katrina: girls are pretty strong They're
Ps Vance: scrappy at least
Katrina: no,
Ps Vance: I don't know man.
That's still a little bit like I I
would have to To have like a lot of
examples and mental models before I got
to that place To just feel like I feel
safe with the humanoid in the house.
Yeah,
Katrina: I think for me It's
the AI component because I still
Ps Vance: yeah, it's like
constant surveillance.
Yes.
Katrina: I don't understand.
I mean, that's already what's
Ps Vance: happening But
I don't even trust my
Katrina: own brain sometimes
in my memory Right.
Ps Adam: Right.
Katrina: So like, you know what I mean?
Ps Adam: That's smart, Katrina.
I'm
Katrina: just saying like, sometimes, you
know, we, as a, if it's supposed to be
able to make decisions better than us.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Katrina: But based on us.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Katrina: Based on the world and the
collective information that it gets.
Oh, I don't know.
I'm, I'm with you.
At least on the ai.
Oh, this is
Ps Adam: okay.
When you watch her, you
know what I'm saying?
Her, this is part of
the actual, like climax.
Yeah.
I feel like you guys have watched
stuff that is leaning you towards
being fearful of the No, no, no, no.
Actually
Ps Vance: her will.
Um, it's, it's actually an opposite.
It's not like a, it's not like
west taking over the world.
It's actually the opposite.
It veers the opposite.
Like when AI realizes
itself, it realizes that.
Humans are just peasants that we don't
robots shouldn't even talk to because
we're just so high level like we
know everything already Now we should
just need to talk to other robots
They're just more like
we'll leave you guys alone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Katrina: Yeah,
Ps Vance: and then we
end up working for them.
Yes
Katrina: Well, I think that that movie
will clear Well, I'm gonna give it away.
Maybe you
Ps Adam: don't give it away because what
I'm, what I'm thinking is, um, it's not
like the integration, um, of a humanoid.
It becomes the codependency on the
humanoid that gets me more worried, right?
Like, yeah.
So if it's that intelligent, and
it's got a physical form that.
You know, becomes for someone who is
already isolated, is that their only,
you know, connection and conversation?
Yeah.
That's a great question.
That's a
Ps Vance: great philosophical question.
Ps Adam: Or even if you're say
you're building out things, right?
And you've got that Java style
person that you're always in con and
then it breaks down and it's like,
well, how do I, how do I exist now?
You know, when all that kind of stuff,
Ps Vance: it's a microcosm of
our relationship with our phones.
It is.
If whenever I don't have my phone, I feel.
Yeah.
Less.
Do you know what I mean?
Like I just feel I can't access the
Ps Adam: world.
Ps Vance: Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's just like, it feels so weird.
Yeah, that is true.
Ps Adam: Cause there was the
JLo movie that just came out.
Yeah.
Film.
I did not watch
Katrina: that one.
Ps Adam: No, I did.
Oh, we did.
I watched that one guys.
Hey, you will watch the JLo movie.
I don't even know.
Did you like it?
I saw part of it.
Well, Kira and I actually.
We did like it.
Uh, it was, it was a crazy amount of
monologue that most, most like 95 percent
is JLo and her AI bot really just talking.
Um, and it just shows the resistant
of someone who just does not want to
adapt into AI world in an AI world.
Uh, but finally goes into that
journey and it becomes a codependency.
Oh, interesting.
Oh,
Katrina: I'm going to have to watch it.
Yeah.
Maybe tonight.
Ps Adam: Pretty intriguing.
Katrina: Yeah.
Okay.
And I would say if you are listening and
you're a fixer, a builder or a founder,
These guys are looking for Jarvis.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: Fix it.
Oh, yeah.
Come make a pitch on Jarvis.
Humanity is looking for Jarvis.
Actually there is, you know,
the competition for Jarvis
right now is the Philippines.
So, um,
Katrina: You mean like virtual assistants?
Yes, yes, yes,
Ps Vance: yes.
There's this company called Athena.
Katrina: Yeah,
Ps Vance: that is like multi
billion dollar valuation.
Now it's all these executives in the
Silicon Valley that basically their
executive assistants are outsourced, um,
you know, support from the Philippines
that are super like highly trained, um,
like very, very proficient, uh, and just
obviously a fraction of the cost just
based on geography and things like that.
Um, but yeah, that was, uh, highlighted
on a podcast I was listening to the
other day and I was like, Oh wow.
That's like.
Yeah.
That's the competition
for AI is the Philippines.
You
Katrina: know, it's,
it's crazy about like.
I would say about 15 years ago when,
um, the industry started to boom
in the Philippines with all these
call centers right before it, it
didn't look like they didn't have
Starbucks open all night and all this.
So it totally changed the culture in
the Philippines that there was a whole
generation of college students that
rather than going into their field of
study, they went into call centers.
So it like changed the whole culture.
Wow.
Yeah.
Oh,
Ps Vance: it's been huge for the economy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's been huge.
Katrina: Okay.
I'm going to take it to, uh, a
different twist because it's 2024 and
there are, uh, you know, it's a, it's
a highly political politicized year.
We've got, um, elections coming up way.
Well, I feel like
Ps Vance: everything we, a lot of
political isn't our Yeah, that's true.
Isnt our age, age political?
I feel like everything converges
into politics at this point.
That's, it's probably the wrong lead in
Ps Adam: let's, I dunno if it is our
HI think it used to be like when you
got mortgages and you know, you had a
job, then you all of a sudden become
Republican because you, you normal.
But, uh, even I think my, my daughters
are very intrigued in politics.
Oh yeah.
Oh, really Interesting.
And I don't think at, I honestly don't
think at 17 I was, that I wasn't.
17 17 I wasn't.
No, I was playing football.
I was just trying
Katrina: to graduate.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I mean, I did graduate really well.
Sorry, I said that really bad.
I'm smart.
You were trying
Ps Adam: to graduate.
Yeah.
Katrina: I went to college.
I promise.
Um, no, I wanted to see if we could
talk on something that seems like
a hot topic is just IVF because it
seems like it can impact the political
spectrum and Yeah, so I'll read you some
quotes, but I know that the Southern
Baptist Convention the largest and
most politically powered Protestant
denomination voted to oppose Um, IVF.
Wow.
I was
Ps Adam: surprised.
Katrina: Yeah.
And so, on Politico, it's talking
a lot about, I'll send you guys the
article, it's really interesting, but
they're talking about how this would
be the next frontier for pro lifers.
And I just want to know, I've had multiple
conversations with people about this.
Obviously, you know, we know a lot of
people who, um, have experienced this.
Amazing blessings.
I love it.
Etc.
I just want to know how do
we talk about this, you know,
and what is your take on it?
How do we talk about this?
Ps Vance: Do you know what their position
on it is why they're opposed to IVF?
Katrina: Yeah, so Well because they don't
Ps Vance: want to waste embryos.
Katrina: Yeah, I think some of it
Is industry based and some of it.
I mean the obvious they'll talk about
it it being you know unnatural so um
They think, you know, with evangelicals,
anti abortion advocates, other social
conservatives, they're trying to pull
this together because, you know, Mind
Ps Adam: you, when you're talking
about the Southern Baptist Convention,
you are talking about people, uh, a
group of men that don't like women.
It's true.
By the way.
Yeah.
Can you bring,
Katrina: cause bring context to it.
Cause I think that it's going to pop up.
They're very
Ps Adam: anti women in ministry,
anti women in leadership.
They want women to be subservient
in, uh, in church roles.
And so what you've got, you've got a lot
of well known churches that have exited.
The Southern Baptist Convention
Church, as you all know, uh, you
got Saddleback Church exited.
You've got Elevation Church
exited just because of they had
decided to, uh, uh, Empower women.
Empower women and different things.
And so they, you know, uh, said,
Hey, this is not a real fit, um, and
it just doesn't go with the thing.
And so I think what you've got is
you've got a, a very legalistic,
uh, approach to the Bible.
They are very, uh, I say dogmatic
in a lot of ways to the way that the
Bible is written in certain versions.
So they'll only read from
certain particular versions.
And at the end of the day, You
have to approach the Word of
God, um, with a deep conviction.
You have to work with the Holy Spirit.
In John it says the Holy Spirit
will lead you into all truth, right?
So, what we have in the Word of God is
the truth, but also walking with the
Holy Spirit is the spirit of revelation,
will illuminate what the Bible is.
So the Holy Spirit does two things.
He's an illuminator and a revelator.
So he'll illuminate different paths and
different words, like a lamp unto my feet.
At the same time, he will bring revelation
and understanding during your different
context of your life to what the word is.
That's why you can read the
same passage of scripture in
different seasons of your life.
And you'll actually realize, Hey,
well, was that in there the whole time?
I didn't see that before.
So when it comes to IVF, I think I've
got a very, uh, a simple approach.
I try and match everything
up with the word of God.
Where can I find this in God's word?
And guess what?
Nowhere in God's word does it
show me about, uh, petri dishes.
Totally.
Or anything scientific, but
it does say, I knew you when I
formed you in your mother's womb.
Right.
Katrina: Okay.
Ps Adam: So when I form you in
your mother's womb, I'm getting
some connection now to, well, God
speaks about the womb as the place
of life or the conception of life.
So if I have access to technology
that can help me get something into
the womb and once it's in the womb,
it's got its best chance at living.
Yeah.
That for me is, Fantastic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I think God created brains.
So the fact that God wired brains to
think of intelligent ways to be able
to help people have life and create
life, I'm a huge advocate for humanity.
Um, Am I pro life?
Well, it seems to be weird to say I'm pro
life, but not pro every avenue for life.
That's possible.
Yeah, that's good.
It just seems a bit contradictory.
Yeah.
Katrina: So they took a survey and
it says that they found that IVF
had 78 percent support among self
identified pro life advocates.
And 83 percent among evangelical
Christians, the topic is coming
around, like you said, the leftover
embryos are frozen, destroyed
or donated to medical research.
And that's kind of where they're
coming around of that it not being.
Ps Adam: Yeah, I think this comes back
to as well, I think during the COVID,
uh, season, they were developing, um,
vaccines and people saying that they
were using embryos and stuff like that.
And I don't know enough
about that to make a comment.
Um, I don't think that that
should be required, uh, for,
for developing a vaccine at all.
But at the end of the day, Um,
do I feel like a embryo that is
not fertilized is, is killing?
Well, you do that naturally.
Women do that naturally.
Every single month, women discard embryos,
uh, every single month, um, until they're
fertilized and placed in the womb,
there's no chance of life on their own.
So there were some key factors.
I also look at it like the tithe.
The tithe
Katrina: isn't just
Ps Adam: 10 percent of your income.
There's three elements.
It's the first, It's a tenth in the
storehouse for it to become a tithe.
Yeah, all those things
have to come together.
Katrina: Yeah,
Ps Adam: I think the same with Uh IVF.
Katrina: Yeah,
Ps Adam: it's life once
you actually have an egg.
Katrina: Yeah, and
Ps Adam: you have it fertilized
and it's placed in the womb That's
where we're talking about life.
Katrina: Yeah It's awesome.
I just I wanted to come around the
topic just because I think so often
the headlines are so loud, right?
and when you start to self identify
yourself with like a political party
or a political thought or Ideology of
some sort then you think you're just
supposed to adopt Because because maybe
it's louder on the south southern baptist
side that this is a pro life movement
So I just I wanted to get your take on
it because I think it'll help so many
people Understand how to come at things
from a biblical perspective, you know
Yeah, um and not just Go without context
and just go to the voting polls and be
like, this must be a pro-life thing.
Ps Adam: You know?
Yeah.
Look, my, I'm, I'll go on
record for saying, Hey, if,
if you're having a hard time.
Uh, getting pregnant as a married couple
and you've exhausted, uh, all those
options, I'd definitely be an advocate
for trying IVF, um, to give, cause I know
so many miracle stories of IVF and, uh,
these humans that are walking this planet
right now who are products of IVF are
some of my favorite people in the world.
And, uh, God's plan is on their life,
they're anointed, they're called of
God, um, they've got an incredible
future that's going to impact many
people's lives, and I'm so thankful
that scientific breakthroughs allowed
us to have these people living and
walking in the innovation in it,
Katrina: right?
Absolutely.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: I also go really deep into if we
want to, uh, um, really marginalize souls,
marginalize ourselves with a particular
set of people, I would go, what is, I
would ask the question, what's the purpose
of marriage if it's not to produce life?
Katrina: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Totally.
Katrina: Yes.
Talk about that, please.
Well, what's the purpose of getting
Ps Adam: married?
Is it just so you can have
someone to not be bored on your
own or just to have fun with?
Yeah.
And to do adventures and holidays?
Well, because
Katrina: there's quite
a trend there, right?
Of um, of double income.
Yeah, dinks.
There you go.
I was trying to find the acronym.
Yeah.
Double income,
Ps Adam: no kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Katrina: Yeah.
And,
Ps Adam: I mean, it's, I mean, you've
taken something that's meant to be
selfless and it made it selfish because
it's just about us and we don't want kids.
Okay, great.
Well, really the purpose of matrimony
is to multiply, to actually come
together so that two people become
one flesh so that you can actually
multiply, fulfill the command of God
and go into world and make more of you.
Uh, and, uh, I think that
that really is the goal.
So if there is something that can help you
with that desire, because, uh, maybe there
is something that's happened in your life.
Or there is a deficit within your
physical makeup that's preventing you.
Well, I love that we've got
these technological advancements
that can help us achieve that.
Katrina: Absolutely.
Okay, I had all those hot topics.
I think that, um, that's probably
a good place to pull it up.
Yeah, get some
Ps Adam: emails and stuff.
Katrina: Yes.
Yes.
So we want to hear more.
Yes.
We're always talking about innovation,
entrepreneurship, um, venture, all
of these things and really where
innovation and faith can be bridged.
So if you have, um, questions or
feedback or something you want to ask
Pastor Adam or Pastor Vance directly,
email us at podcast at hype network.
org and Arun will
personally email you back.
Yeah, he will.
And, um, even if you have a question
for him, yeah, we've got, how do you
Ps Adam: grow such a glorious bead?
It's really good.
We need to do a masterclass on that.
Did you
Katrina: land on a nickname for him?
Ps Adam: Because he's got a couple.
We still like Arunskis.
Arunskis is good.
Arunskis is good.
Um, we're still working on it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, we need a, we don't
have nickname Market Fit yet.
Nickname Market Fit.
Katrina: Oh my goodness.
Well, I'm going to pull it up here.
That was a great episode.
Ps Adam: Great episode.
I hope, um.
Thanks for joining us.
Katrina: Yes, thanks for joining us and
um, we'll see you on the next episode.
Take
Ps Adam: those Instagram photos.
Ps Vance: Yes, of your pods hype network
and actually, uh, if you want to go deeper
into the community, go to hype membership.
com.
Yes.
Uh, the community has
been growing actually.
These are people that we meet with
monthly, uh, there's a members only chat.
I feel like we're intaking new
founders all the time, all the time.
Yeah.
So exciting.
All the time.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I love seeing those
welcome emails from you.
Yep.
As, uh, we just had
another member join today.
Yep.
Um, and so hypemembership.
com, it's all the information on
there of what you get from that.
Uh, but it's incredible.
It's a cool community.
Katrina: Absolutely.
Yeah.
And if you jump in sooner than later,
we've got some special stuff at Amen
Experience that we can email you about.
Man,
Ps Adam: this emergency.
Katrina: Yeah.
All right.
Ps Adam: Peace.
Thanks
Katrina: guys.
Ps Adam: Thank you.