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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
00:00.00
dave_gerhardt
All right? We're back. How good is it when tre the long game is back this? Oh all, right? You guys can edit this out. You guys can edit this out. The long game is back I wish I had an accent like Trevor ima the long game is back.
00:01.33
Casey
Hold the whole the hold on one second I just took a big swig of a protein shake I don't want to I don't want that label that early.
00:17.46
Casey
Perfect.
00:19.11
dave_gerhardt
We're back heavy off of Thanksgiving we're back here I'm Dave Gearhart this is Casey Ford each week. We talk about golf in some form here on the long game on the long game podcast in a case I don't know if you check the stats this week but we're up to 3 listeners in Sweden.
00:36.25
Casey
Well hard to check the stats if I don't have access to them. But I I rely on you for that. You kept you you keep me at an arm's distance but go ahead.
00:38.18
dave_gerhardt
But do there's a reason they slowly handing you the I slowly handing you the keys over here I actually I I didn't know what this was going to be like this is just like on this project has just unleashed unleashed a dormant. Beast inside of you like within 18 minutes of like hanging up the podcast I got like you know 16 clips translated into swedish and french and spanish from the long game.
01:07.70
Casey
You get it. You get to strike where the while the iron's hot and right now it's very hot and sweet and how many downloads you say in Sweden who.
01:14.33
dave_gerhardt
Um, three we're up to 3 We're up to 3 We've crossed the avaunted moat they say that most podcasts don't get ah don't ever get past 150 downloads in the first month. So.
01:24.33
Casey
Um, really.
01:26.49
dave_gerhardt
This is a big week for us. This is a make or break week. We're we're at 10108 right now.
01:29.84
Casey
But well let me just again plead to the the people of Sweden if you have a friend that likes golf please spread the word. It looks like it it. It went from 1 to 3 in the last week so that's good news who do you think that was the part ofics. Elin.
01:44.26
dave_gerhardt
No I think it was no no I know who it was it was Vick. No, he's not even from Sweden is he he's from Norway what now Ludwig he was listening to us talk about how he bombs it off the tee.
01:47.70
Casey
Who could have been elan. Okay, just just listening over and over again. Yeah.
02:01.61
dave_gerhardt
Sorry Mr Hovelin I thought you're from ah I thought youre from from Sweden um, all right I think we're about to hit it. We're we're about to turn the corner. The you know the Christmas the Christmas tree is up the elfs the elves are out that's about to be festive and and we're around in the corner for some. Um.
02:06.51
Casey
It's okay, sometimes he doesn't know where he is.
02:20.27
dave_gerhardt
For some actual golf I haven't watched any golf lately or hasn't been any on Tv last couple weeks I haven't watched but this week the fellows are at the hero world challenge which is in Albany Not Albany New York case it's Albany in the Bahamas. It's very important important detail.
02:32.15
Casey
Important.
02:37.84
dave_gerhardt
This is Tiger's event. Ah what? what does that mean like does he he created it. It says signature. Do you know what? that actually means.
02:39.69
Casey
Yep.
02:46.12
Casey
Um I I don't know exactly well he I know he owns a lot of events I actually used to work one of his events um in a way that like I am Ge owns events. But um, it ah the Tiger Woods Foundation's owns and operates a bunch of events on the calendar year I I believe this is one of them which means it's all ah charity based. But. That's as far as I know.
03:05.20
dave_gerhardt
All right? So it's tiger's event. That's what everything everyone says and a small field this week they got 20 of the world's top players and I didn't actually yeah 20 um, not not the top 20 but 20 of the whatever and ah of note.
03:11.19
Casey
Do they right? right.
03:21.80
dave_gerhardt
This week I just looked at it when we were going through gonna when I asked you about making pickics this morning will Zell Tourus is back playing some golf are you ah are you a will Z guy I Love him I Love him I almost I forgot that he has been out. Super fun guy. He had that.
03:26.95
Casey
Um, yeah, the back is back? Yeah I know I'm a huge will Z guy Fun got to watch.
03:38.67
dave_gerhardt
Was it last summer. It was like like that 2022 year was when he was basically in the mix and all the majors.
03:44.30
Casey
Right? Exactly coming down to I think at the closest he came was that us open finish against ah against fleet not fleetwood, but what's his name Fitzpatrick right? but just like ah such a impressive swing and it makes sense why that would have so much.
03:50.92
dave_gerhardt
Ah, Fitzpatrick Matt's Matt Fitzpatrick
04:00.49
dave_gerhardt
On his back. Yeah.
04:01.48
Casey
Issues on on a back, especially a guy with a guy with that kind of slight of frame so interested to see how how he looks coming back this week
04:09.15
dave_gerhardt
Sick. He's he's like J like I like watching same. He's just like little skinny and he just smashes the ball like JT I enjoy watching him. Um.
04:18.54
Casey
Um, I almost enjoy more than anything watching his short puts because that's where you you really? It's very relatable.
04:23.20
dave_gerhardt
But what? what do you take? what? what is your perspective on that is that is that the yips is that is that how he puts is like it's people talk have they're gonna talk about it again. Obviously now that he's back in the mix. But what? what do you think of that I.
04:32.88
Casey
Um.
04:38.13
dave_gerhardt
There's just no way a player of that caliber could have the yips and and be putting like that in um, in a major I don't believe it.
04:44.30
Casey
Um, no, it's it's hard to say it isn't the yips because if you watch it. It's it's not it doesn't seem like it's consistent. No matter what it is right? It's not like a consistent takeaway way to 1 side or the other it was. And it shows up sometimes and other times it doesn't so the only thing I can kind of relate it to and it's really, it's not even close, but the speed looking at the whole thing which was like a storyline for a while you know those like 2 or 3 footers. He's only looking at the hole the whole time. Um, but with him I don't know I don't know if that's a strategy or. To me I just like to think yeah that happens to us all.
05:20.76
dave_gerhardt
I actually didn't I don't know if I knew that about to speed so he I'm just trying to do do this like as I sit here. He would not if he have a 2 footter. He doesn't look at the hole I mean doesn't look at the ball. He just looks at the hole. It's like a no look putt. They got to look that up. Joins.
05:25.69
Casey
Um, oh yeah, yeah, you've never seen that yeah stare. Yeah, we's not looking at contact pretty crazy.
05:40.18
dave_gerhardt
Jordan Speed two foot no look
05:46.29
Casey
It's ah it's pretty impressive. He hasn't done it his entire career. But I I want to say for the last good chunk of his careers. He's done it.
05:48.27
dave_gerhardt
Interesting. Interesting. Do You think you're a better putter like how how do you think you're a better putter than will zaotourus.
06:01.48
Casey
Um, and no I'm not ah I'm not a better porter butter than anyone but um, that has been is achilles heal right? Well what do we think of the greens at the Ah Albany
06:08.60
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it has been punting. Yeah. I don't know I got to ask I got to ask co I meant to text him I meant to my guy. My coach Dave he's but big listener. 1 of the one of not not 1 of the swedish listeners but ah, he was just down there a couple weeks ago I got to I got to ask him? Um, same course. Yeah, they have it a.
06:17.70
Casey
Championship course in the Bahamas we think these are Augusta national.
06:27.38
Casey
Shut up really same course. Really.
06:33.72
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, they have it on the track man you can go play this this course in the track man Maybe I'll go do that tomorrow get warmed up. Ah I don't I don't know and then if what's funny is when we're when we're playing in. Um, we're playing in Vegas I I have no kind like this is me being a moron about golf like I have no concept of of speed right.
06:37.36
Casey
Awesome! awesome.
06:52.00
dave_gerhardt
And we played 1 course and the the greens were just they just were so fast to me and I said what? what is the speed of these greens and they said it was 13 and I said is this like is this like what they play on the tour. He's like oh no, he's like these guys on tor would have a heart attack if they played on this every week like.
07:06.69
Casey
But.
07:09.26
dave_gerhardt
Tour greens are like a solid like 10 to like to 11 I just have I have no no no feeling like you could put me on a tour course and it could be 15 and I would have no idea or if I don't know it should be 10 and I have no feel for that.
07:18.65
Casey
Right? And I think it and on the tour you can usually see it reflected in the scores when you see these minus nineteen scores. These aren't the most you know, incredibly intricate greens and and on tour I think the hardest part obviously is just the the breaks and those kind of things more most.
07:36.29
dave_gerhardt
Yet.
07:37.93
Casey
More so than speed because you know every every course on tour is going to have some speed but it's really just how difficult are the greens. So I don't think um, something like this that's kind of an invitational is something where they say come down and get your ass kicked by the course right? The week after thanksgiving.
07:49.52
dave_gerhardt
Right? right? right? There's 20 guys in the field. They're all out there to have a good time have you have you played on like do you have a putting experience where the greens were just like so fast and insane that you. Remember and I'm asking you because I I didn't notice this until 1 course in particular I played this year but like it it they make a huge difference on like 4 to six foot putts if it's just straight like you literally just have to tap that they just have to get that thing on it made me realize how many. 6 to 8 footers I miss because of speed and judgment where like if they're really wrong if they're so pure and fast. It's not always intimidating on like a 6 to 8 footer because you just kind of like got to get it started and it's going to go in. You know what? I'm saying.
08:32.87
Casey
Right? No totally yeah I um the course I play it actually has this day I know this isn an an extreme example but they have a day of year. It's I think a lot of courses. Do it called like the Greenskeeper's revenge but we we call it the massacre. But.
08:46.36
dave_gerhardt
Oh yeah.
08:50.70
Casey
We have um, really nice greens and when they get them rolling. They're impossible and it's like a scramble-like event. So. It's funny to think about. But when you get on the green in this and then they grow out the rough and everyone knows what what those events are like but when you get to the hole they they'll put them on an an unfair kind of. side hill but it's not uncommon for like a good score for the group to be like a 3 or a 4 but because it's really just like inching closer and getting the ball to stop ah and not that that's what I expect the tour to be like like really impossible like if you hit this twelve inch put thirteen inches it's going you know thirty feet into the fairway. But um, ah, not that the tour is that that hard. But when you do see those tournaments like chambers bay kind of comes to mind a few years ago where the the courses kind of get away from them especially in majors or you know us opens and it makes me think like is that what it's like where it's.
09:45.49
dave_gerhardt
Totally I love that like I always have one like they lost the course you know when guys like Billy Horsho just going nuts about how hard the.
09:47.62
Casey
Almost unfair.
09:55.56
Casey
Um, well is that famous example I want to say within the last year I think it was some women's amateur event somewhere where they that one hole was impossible and it was like there was a couple 9 putts and it was just.
10:04.17
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah, yeah.
10:09.50
Casey
I think they threw out they canceled the event or they threw out that round or something because of it of course yeah tough timing.
10:14.70
dave_gerhardt
I so there's definitely like a zre golf clip I've seen or something that looked like that looked like the greenskeeper's revenge putting where that pin was all right last um last year's winner did you look did you know like you.
10:25.22
Casey
I did I watched.
10:30.41
dave_gerhardt
Right? So we know that your boy Vick went back to back here although I had to look it up this morning so he's won back-to-back yearss here. He's won 6 times on the pj tour and this is ah this event is part of the Pga tour schedule but it does not count as a pga to victory so these are 2 kind of just fun.
10:31.15
Casey
Yeah.
10:44.31
Casey
Right? They let Tiger do whatever he wants.
10:50.12
dave_gerhardt
Of course of course Wikipedia said he also donates all of this his winnings back to the the charity which all which all goes into his name which is all some tax benefit I'm I'm sure see tiger sorry I don't want to slander your guy but sorry, sorry but sorry that's for this as for the Patreon.
11:02.29
Casey
Which I used to work for 2 So let's keep that ah above board that's okay.
11:09.59
dave_gerhardt
Version of this podcast all right? We got our we got it. So so that's that's the ah, that's the event is is watching this in your plans this weekend or like if it's on. It's on.
11:19.47
Casey
Um, of course I mean as a as a dad of two young kids. Nothing can be planned on the weekends, especially with ah a television as you as you know, but I'll watch as much as I possibly can especially like a small field like this where tiger is involved Dave I'm going to be all over it. Whether it's the replay hit n p m at night or if I get to watch it live. Um he is playing he is playing the cat is back I can guarantee you. There's no cut.
11:37.98
dave_gerhardt
Um, and is he he's playing this is the cat. The cat is in the mix is there no cut everybody plays 4 rounds here. So we're gonna get 4 rounds of tiger.
11:54.94
Casey
There's four I hope so um and again this is his show so you can set this up. However, he wants I I would expect him to be in the mix and I think I think he might have a cart involved I don't I'm not sure but this is a really kind of.
12:07.80
dave_gerhardt
Interesting.
12:12.32
Casey
They're playing fast and loose with stuff this week as they always do. It's it's you know it's the top what they say the top 20 get invited. Obviously if they they have to go outside of that to fill the field but and then there's one sponsors exemption and who do you think that's for the cat.
12:13.65
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
12:26.47
dave_gerhardt
Who is it for I don't know Charlie oh the tiger's okay I got it one sponsors exception. Yeah yes, his show all right? Well I'll watch. Yeah yeah.
12:31.90
Casey
Tire. He's not top 20 guy. So I'm saying it's his show and and let me just ask you Vick Vick back to back champions right? Let me ask you and I haven't looked up I haven't looked this up is marijuana legal. And the Bahamas Dave should we do this right now is Victor is Victor high all the time. No.
12:51.67
dave_gerhardt
Ah, definitely definitely No I'm going to say no I think that it's very easy for um, it's easy for an amateur to to look at him and and think that ah not an amateur.
13:05.12
Casey
Amateur Golfer Marijuana user.
13:08.35
dave_gerhardt
Amateur Marijuana Yeah, an amateur Marijuana user to to to see that I think that's how he no, no no, no no I I know that's not true. No I I the claim whateverever you want This is simply safe. We not be upset. Don't don't worry.
13:12.40
Casey
Um, you just call me an amateur Marijuana user I'm not claiming that I'm not not claiming that either.
13:26.34
dave_gerhardt
I Don't think so I think that's how he smiles I think he's got a. He's got a cute smile. He's good looking guy um's just there's just no Way. Maybe maybe maybe Ra I can't speak to what he does recreationally but like the level of concentration and a body awareness that you need to be a top. Call for in the world that is physically impossible to be stoned and to be that successful as go at.
13:48.71
Casey
No I I I agree I like the Discord though of the the discourse though I enjoy it. Um I will say too to back up the point that he's probably not high all the time as some people think he's um, made it very well known how much of a like. Death metal fan. He is and that those 2 those 2 fan groups I don't think really meshed you? Well oh you haven't heard of that oh my god like like crazy death metal stuff.
14:08.33
dave_gerhardt
Um, is he really? ah god damn it. No this is like this is like ask don't don't meet this is don't meet your idols like have you ever heard of like Jay Z or something this why does it have to.
14:18.66
Casey
He like he's a bird but he can fucking hit a golf ball and make some putt. So.
14:26.30
dave_gerhardt
All right? We got the title sponsor challenge is my favorite segment I forgot about this one I know I'm teeing it up I'm teeing it up I have not looked in our notes it says hero parentheses don't look.
14:31.24
Casey
Um, well this is my segment Dave and have you have you? you have not looked this up I hope I hope okay, okay, good. So the title sponsor challenge again I'm going ask Dave.
14:49.70
Casey
What the title sponsor does of this week's tournament. So Dave go ahead, tell us what hero does? yeah.
14:55.24
dave_gerhardt
I'm going to say they're um I'm going to say they're like a gas company oil and gas.
15:01.70
Casey
Um, they are a gas adjacent company I would say they are a ah they're headquartered in New Delhi india they are one of the world's largest manufacturers of motorcycles and scooters did you know that Dave.
15:14.65
dave_gerhardt
Um, what I did not and I I don't even know how do you? How would you even Google this like the name is hero like what is hero. Thank you.
15:21.18
Casey
Well some of us don't have to Google it because we've watched this tournament a billion times of 4 and they have a fucking motorcycle on every tbox but hero motor corp I believe based in India nope incorrect.
15:27.30
dave_gerhardt
What is Hero What do I need to what is hero company Company Hero company is a digital marketing company whose's mission I'll see how by a hero meet.
15:41.70
Casey
Company has sold more than 100000000 motorcycles and scooters since since its inception. Well I was going to ask you Dave have you ever ridden a motorcycle.
15:43.98
dave_gerhardt
Wow Have you ever written a hero.
15:53.54
dave_gerhardt
Ah I have there. There couldn't be I I wouldn't even I don't even want to go in Splash mountain.
15:57.60
Casey
As I say there's not a lot of saturation in the middle of that golfer Motorcycle Venn diagram right you don't see a guy with a bag on his back going like 75 late for a tea time on the highway right.
16:02.48
dave_gerhardt
What is' it like way wait. No no, no there is there is there. There's there's a perfect person in the middle of that Venn diagram of the golfer motorcycle. And it's Greg Norman
16:22.34
Casey
With the hat.
16:23.41
dave_gerhardt
I just googled it I just like this. There's got to be some like absurd pictures of Greg Norman on a motorcycle and.
16:28.71
Casey
I was just I was trying to think what Torp player is the most likely to show up on tour on a motorcycle.
16:36.26
dave_gerhardt
Right? right? now today I don't know I want to say like 1 of those guys like ah like a kissner or like a harmon like one one of those.
16:47.40
Casey
Yeah, Harmon would be I mean Harmon would he Harmon would turn the the gas thing and and the bike would go. He'd just stay stationary and fall to the ground.
17:00.25
dave_gerhardt
Which tour play all right? So they make Motorcycles in ah in cars. Great can Congrats I am I need like um the Bm w.
17:03.17
Casey
I guess so so I think you're over for 2 on the on the sponsor challenge again. We're pencilling you in for the John Deere classic but you're not allowed to look up any of the rest of them. So.
17:17.26
dave_gerhardt
All right? Also as we like to do at all tour stops this season we like to also bring you a local restaurant restaurant review and a guest.
17:26.32
Casey
Call them guest Durant reviews Dave we're guessing because we don't get. We don't have the budget to travel to these places.
17:33.36
dave_gerhardt
No, this is ah so this this restaurant you sent me. It's actually called Albany Bahamas or this is the resort that this plate wow so all these guys are staying at this resort playing. Ah what a life are you kidding me.
17:39.85
Casey
That's the resort where where um, they're having the tournament this week
17:49.80
dave_gerhardt
These guys there's twenty of these morons. They're going to play tiger's event hanging out down in the Bahamas just just live in the lead there you got their kid their family their spouses their side pieces whoever it is. They're just hanging out at this place like damn it pays to this. This is why like.
17:50.37
Casey
Me.
18:08.28
dave_gerhardt
All this golf talk man like how how good of a life. They did these guys have all right? let me, um, let me pull up a menu I'm going to look at the I'm a grill I'm a grill guy I like I like the pool side experience. So I'm trying to look up the menu from ah.
18:19.43
Casey
And let us just say if you do not have access to this hotel. You may not be able to go to any of these places but that's the beauty of the guest restaurant review. It's really for a select amount of people who are looking for reviews from people who have never been to these establishments go ahead. Dave.
18:31.99
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, um, were you actually able to see oh there's like all, there's there's 15 different menus here I'm not a case I don't even think they don't even show the menu to people like us.
18:46.21
Casey
Now so here's what you should do go to the go to the concierges and say Dave and casey from the long game pod sent you and um, ask him for a seat at wave which is the seasonal pop up restaurant I hope we're in season if not check out Aviva which is the beach beachside dining experience.
18:50.83
dave_gerhardt
Contact us. There's.
19:01.73
dave_gerhardt
Um, there's footprints. there's there's wave there's footprints there's vesper there's 19 there's auza um that is Vesper's beachside dining with a view 19 is the is the clubhouse auza is the adult pool and bar adult only oasis.
19:03.83
Casey
Again.
19:19.39
dave_gerhardt
There's bi Subbius which is a French Patisserie there's revive clubhouse and shop a smoothie shop and ah damn.
19:19.66
Casey
Hm.
19:29.21
Casey
There's greens and grains which is fresh salads and bowls that's ah where you can find Dave Thursday through Sunday of the tournament.
19:36.52
dave_gerhardt
I need some of that after Thanksgiving I need some I need some greens in in my system trust me. Um, yeah, that.
19:40.67
Casey
And that was restaurant guest restaurant reviews brought to you by the Albany Bahamas resort beach club visits today vacations only 1 click away. Go ahead. Dave.
19:53.32
dave_gerhardt
So nexus ah nexus luxury collection community dam I'd like to go here. Let's go check this out. Maybe we could have a offsite all right shout out to the shout out to to Albany in Bahamas so tiger and 19 of his closest.
19:57.46
Casey
Sure maybe next year
20:04.72
Casey
Um, good enough for Tiger Good enough for us.
20:10.60
dave_gerhardt
Closest friends all right? We got to do a draft. We got to do a draft. There's no picks this week.
20:11.92
Casey
Yeah, since we the the grinder tour that we're doing all season long. Of course we pick only the guys briked one fifty and above. That's not the case here. These are the cream of the crop. So. What we decided to do is just we're going to do a snake draft. So there's no overlapping picks and again whatever money they win this week I know there's no real money for the pg to leaderboard but the money that they do win this week will add to our leaderboard as well. Go ahead. Da.
20:43.20
dave_gerhardt
Um, just also um, use the promogade but use the promo okay promo code long game and you'll save 10% on your stay at Albany in the Bahamas which starts at $3000 per night. So.
20:51.98
Casey
Of course yeah your stay of 10 nights or more.
21:00.30
dave_gerhardt
It says permanent residents start at 5000000 and resort to combinations you can you can get a villa for one night for for 3 grand so use that promo code safe safe safe 10 grant yeah, you get 1 of those nice offshore bank accounts all right? So we're gonna snake draft this thing. Um.
21:05.65
Casey
Comes with a bank account. M.
21:17.79
dave_gerhardt
I want you to? why? don't why don't you why don't you go first I want you to go first.
21:20.14
Casey
You sure? Okay, so again, um, we've got 20 of the world's top players give or take right? um and we should say if you remember can't lay.
21:28.86
dave_gerhardt
199 and tiger.
21:36.82
Casey
And chauffle dropped out a few weeks ago of this and there was some speculation that it had to do with the riff from the rider cup and not being compensated. You said there's no official money here. No no ah coincidence that can't lay is not involved. What are you going to do here without your boy.
21:39.60
dave_gerhardt
Oh yeah.
21:50.42
dave_gerhardt
There is no no, there is money. There's there's a purse for this event.
21:54.71
Casey
I know but there's no official. They say there's no official money as it's an unofficial event as most things happen down in the Bahamas.
22:00.39
dave_gerhardt
So so they don't They only want the money if it's like Tor Fedex Tor points or like counts towards something like the money. Yeah, do.
22:07.00
Casey
No I'm I'm just joking that he you know that can'tley doesn't want to show up to places. He's not being compensated which is the case but my guess is there's not enough sbf in the world for him to make it down to the Bahamas.
22:19.73
dave_gerhardt
Did you send me this clip or did I see this clip without you where he he says to his caddy like all right after this one we or maybe I saw it on Twitter he's like on the on the tee at one of those like hawaiian early season events and he's like all. But after this you and me will be grat you and me can go to my tie. He just was like grumbling under his breath as he teeed up on the eighteenth hole is so good. So so there's no no can do you do believe in that by the way. Do you think there's something up there that those 2 and can those 2 do anything not together like.
22:40.77
Casey
Exciting times for can't lay.
22:49.80
Casey
Um, I know I don't get it. That's the only reason I would buy into it at all is because they're both dropped out. It's like first of all I've already made my my feelings known on can't lay and you have as well I like.
22:56.45
dave_gerhardt
Yeah. Right? right.
23:05.17
Casey
Chauffle I think he's kind of a choke artist and we can get into that one day we'd love to have him on the pod but he's a choke artist a great player though. But I think I don't understand why he's investing so much of what I mean this is all based on reports too. But that he's investing in himself so much in this can't lay relationship and. Kind of going where down with the ship I'd say it's strange. But I guess you get them on your team too since your team can't lay So congrats.
23:27.59
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah. Um, I he's just like a he's my bryson holdover. He's just like my bryson temporary like I need bryson back. That's what I really need all right set us off in this draft. Please go ahead. You have the first pick you're on the clock.
23:43.10
Casey
I know well one day are well with such a deep field. Um and Victor staring right at me. It'd be hard not to take him again I'm going to say he loves the course considering he's 1 twice in a.
23:50.31
dave_gerhardt
Are.
24:00.29
Casey
And a row we think marijuana is legal down there and that that that's important to him but I'm just going to go with Scotty Schfler I think he's the number one in the world for a reason and I don't think he's the type of guy that's going to be partaking in all these tiger woods hosted events all week and he's going to be well restted, brighteyed and hydrated. Ready to roll every morning. Um, my first pick is scotty schuffler. Go ahead 2 to you.
24:23.57
dave_gerhardt
All right you you can take scotty I gotta look I'm so far behind I'm $700000 in the hole to you I'm just gonna hammer the hammer the horses here like there's no way that there's no way that victor finishes outside of the top 3 this week so I'm I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take a big dick Vick caught him all right? You're up oh snake draft. We get to here. We get to? um you know what I kind of I kind of am a max.
24:41.20
Casey
Go for it one more. No snake draft Dave like any fanny fantasy draft you've ever had.
24:57.55
dave_gerhardt
I I'm a little bit late to the max homa train I think this is the year he's going to get involved in in ah in a major I think he's due I enjoy watching max play and so I would like to have him on my on my team for this week yes
25:12.74
Casey
Wow Its a home is your pick I like it. Um I'm going to go I'm just gonna get this out of the way right now and I want to I want to be on board with um I want you to be on board with me taking this right now and not waiting.
25:16.48
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
25:28.87
Casey
I'm just in take tiger right now because there's nowhere I'm watching this thing all weekend and not rooting for tiger I don't care that he's probably not going to finish in the top. Whatever I'm not going to watch this without him on my team. So tiger is my second pick and then I'm going to go back with. Let's see. I'm going to go with Colin Morekawa here I'm going to say it's a ball strikerss course. No real knowledge of that but resort golf I think he's the kind of guy you want to I'm not so sure he's going to be staying up till four zero m
26:00.84
dave_gerhardt
No no I My my interest in him has just gone up and down over time I Really liked him out of the gate and I couldn't like him any less now. Um, he honestly I would bucket him in the chaffle can't lay personality jar.
26:04.50
Casey
Same.
26:17.11
dave_gerhardt
Put them put put him in there together. Ah you know obviously he doesn't hit the long ball like project Pat does so I don't I don't like him as much. But yeah, this is Goingnna be a tough look in 2 years when he's on when we got to get him on the show for contractual reasons.
26:24.19
Casey
This is great locker room material for for our team.
26:35.80
dave_gerhardt
Are are we picking 3 are we picking 3 guys here? Yeah, okay, all right? So your your team is we we've rounded out your team you got schfler the cat and and Morrakawa I got Victor I got max homema and ah I mean look he is.
26:36.74
Casey
Yes, so you get 1 more. This is the lot.
26:53.50
dave_gerhardt
Arguably the greatest ball striker in pga tour history. He's never seen a pair of khakis that he can't sweat through um, looks like the weather's going to be actually okay this weekend for him down the Bahamas um, going with the flusher Lucas Glover and and yes yeah
27:09.40
Casey
Oh Wow I Love that pick I was just going to say they when they had to replace ah shaley and can't lay. They brought in.
27:12.22
dave_gerhardt
Thank you.
27:20.80
Casey
Justin Rose and then they said who's really going to bring in the ratings. Let's do Lucas Glover because that's a face you need to see sweating in Hd every day this weekend on your Tv.
27:29.35
dave_gerhardt
Let me let me actually um, weather let me check this out where what's the weather going to be down there. This is very important. Oh boy, it's gonna be. It's gonna be sticky. It's yeah, it's It's a.
27:35.60
Casey
I'm going to say hot with Harley Cloudy and a chance of a passing rainstorm.
27:42.88
dave_gerhardt
it's it's 85 It's 85 down there today with a 68 with 68% humidity so bring bring out the khakis lucas the flusher is and is is in the building so that that's our that's our squad for this week it's good yeah Yeah I'm want to write this down.
27:53.60
Casey
All right? So I get Scotty Tiger and moreawa you've got hovelin homa and glover. Yeah, there's nowhere else we track this.
28:02.59
dave_gerhardt
My records now there's got to be a listener. The swedes the swedes will track it. The swedes will track it first. All alright case, let's let's flip over to talk about ah the news. Why don't why don't we do you want do the virtual this through the teat that.
28:08.32
Casey
Exactly Elin's got us.
28:19.43
dave_gerhardt
The the tgl first and then let's talk about my guy John Romm
28:23.27
Casey
Yeah, it's funny. So biggest thing that happened I'd say in the last week but really I think it broke 3 minutes I sent you 3 minutes after we stopped recording last week that the ah tgl was postponing until next season which was great timing. But um.
28:31.23
dave_gerhardt
Um, legit Legit yeah.
28:39.76
Casey
Which is funny. So everyone that listens to our episode was like what the fuck are these guys are talking about this thing's over. We're like well I think maybe they'll get started on time wrong, but interesting that they postponed it an entire year. No I don't think anyone saw that coming right? and it it is funny I had brought up to you. What do you make of Rom pulling out of. Pulling out of this league. Um, could it have to do with something with live and sure enough that's in the news too. But before we get to that. What do you make of of this postponement of the virtual league for a year
29:07.73
dave_gerhardt
I Think it's great I'd I actually like much rather see this this happened this is like admitting like holy shit This is not close to ready like there's clearly already been discussion about like how is this going to be real is this going to be interesting I think. Given how things kind of went initially out of the gate would live I Think if you're a brand trying to do something new in this space like you kind of got to get it right out of the gate not to say that they can't iterate on it but like if literally the fucking building is falling down.
29:37.39
Casey
Yeah.
29:39.54
dave_gerhardt
Does it look so great and so like to rush to put a shitty product out is not is not worth it. Especially when you have you know some of the top guys in the world involved. So great push it out push it out a year. Ah 1 less kind of random golf thing for us to talk about 1 less thing to worry about trying to find time to watch right? Now. Let them get it right. And launch the right way this John rom thing is nuts though is it is it going to happen. You texted me I was in the car you said John Rom to live and but then I go like there's's no, this hasn't been confirmed. It's not happened. Is it happening is it not? What's the deal with this.
30:14.82
Casey
Well the report so far is that Rom is mulling ah around a $600000000 offer to go to live which is confusing to me for a lot of reasons I will say of all the stars that you know either went to live or haven't gone yet. He's been I think. 1 that has been out there the most saying since day one that it's not for him right? then but he's still open to it so he has been pretty ah clear that this was you know the fact that he he wasn't shutting the door on that you know made me think maybe this was a possibility. What I don't get is I thought the tor was absorbing live. So why is liv still competing with the tor I know and that brings up. You know the saudi fund and the deal with the pga tour that agreement had a deadline I think to get everything in stone for. You know the end of the year midnight on New Year's eve so what does that say for that that they're going out to steal 1 of the tours marqui players is that does that mean that the tours agreement with the saudi investment fund is about to to to fall through There's a weird dominal effect from rom leaving. Virtual tour to this to what does that mean for the tour and live that deal and if that falls through look out your I don't I just don't understand as part is.
31:35.88
dave_gerhardt
Oh Interesting. So you're saying this could be like a ah little a little alert for like what's going on there because it would make no sense for him to get this humongous bag from. Live and then be like bet I'm also on the pga tour surprise like you can't do both right.
31:52.39
Casey
Yeah, and and they did say when they made that agreement the tour with the Saudi investment fund that there would be some kind of a path back right though, it would the players would have some kind of price to pay. Um for those players but.
32:08.70
Casey
And there has always been discussion especially with rom of how do you make the players hole that stayed and didn't take the bag is this a way for them to just kind of funnel 600000000 through one of their marquee players who. Didn't leave at a time where it was crucial that players like him weren't leaving the tour I don't know but it's odd to me that the tour and and the saudi investment fund got into this agreement together where part of the agreement was the tour. And the Pg tour commissioner was going to oversee live and that has a deadline that's to that full agreement is a month away and the most recent thing that happened is that the live is trying to poach one of the tours Marie players. It just all it all doesn't make sense to me. And it kind of smells fishy and I think people are just focusing on the rom 600000000 thing and not what does this mean for all these other moving parts that surround it.
33:09.89
dave_gerhardt
Right? because even if he said yes, right now What is that saying? Yes, what does that? What does that mean for for golf I mean.
33:16.80
Casey
Right? And and they say one of the holdups is not the money. It's it's ah he wants to change the format and make it like a four day event instead of the three day one like the same thing as the tour. So I don't know I don't know what's what's going on. But. I can tell you it's more more is going on and there's higher or bigger implications here than just rom getting 600000000.
33:38.93
dave_gerhardt
I mean you got to take the 600000000 no like what? yeah.
33:42.19
Casey
Right? But there's more There's something's fishy here to me the timing of it and why your subsidiary is or what's going to be a part of your your this new tor entity is still competing a month before that with your torah month before the agreements. Going to beat signed.
34:01.87
dave_gerhardt
My mother in law would say but the taxes do you do you know how much you're going to have to pay and taxes on that like I don't know tax me and tax me on the 600 anyway something to watch for John John rom
34:08.94
Casey
I don't know depends on what maybe not on the Bahamas I don't know. Yeah, that's fine.
34:19.97
dave_gerhardt
To live. But I think you're right, there's something weirder. What's going on this whole thing sucks like it's just I wish there was 1 place 2 platform like you watch the and Nba you watch the Nfl like I want to watch the golf and there isn't.
34:31.87
Casey
Um, and that's and that end shut out to our my guy but that's kind of been Rory's things since day one you know he's not saying watch. He wants to compete against the best but he just wants 1 place where everyone is and I think that's what everyone really wants and I hope they get there and I think that's what the agreement with the.
34:49.97
dave_gerhardt
You know.
34:50.49
Casey
Fund and the tour was working towards and I don't know we'll see but I will say do back on the virtual tour too. Interesting move them going for the full year I did readis delaying a full year I read a story that said that more than anything really espm was calling those shots because they felt confident they could they could. Get the venue and everything up the speed. It would just need to be shifted a little bit the schedule or just condensed and Espn really wanted the full schedule. They'd agreed to being so important with live rights now and they they said it's punted a year but we're we're good to go so interesting to see that. The the leak's partner is making those kind of decisions too and them saying we want the full thing versus kind of a partial season. So interesting.
35:36.73
dave_gerhardt
And just like how good the majors were like how good the majors were last year having everybody in those four. Well other than the other than the open all right God that just.
35:44.44
Casey
Yeah.
35:51.92
dave_gerhardt
Everybody having having like just this hey there's they should just have there's 20 events for the year and it's just a season and we could actually watch it all. It's insane to to figure out what's going on.
35:57.67
Casey
Yeah I think that's what they tried to do. They're trying to do with the designated events saying you're these tournaments with significantly bigger purses. We expect I think they only let players they may have modified this but they were only going to let players miss 1 or 2 of those the the designated events. But. The idea is get more players competing in the the best players playing in the in the in the most tournaments together at 1 time is is the goal.
36:28.13
dave_gerhardt
All right? Let's um, let's let's talk about ah let's talk about our games for for a minute case I actually um I was home over the weekend. My my home home my childhood home I didn't play I do too My my.
36:36.64
Casey
Um, did you play I know a lot of people who played over Thanksgiving and I was not able to. But.
36:42.15
dave_gerhardt
My my uncle came in to Thanksgiving and he said yeah I was out there this morning and um, he there was a course open and they just like they they weren't even open but they said anybody can go play the course if they want cost no money he went out and played weather looker.
36:54.81
Casey
Yeah I drove by a few courses on the way where I was heading and it was perfect Thanksgiving scenery out there. It was a lot of dungery golf as I call it. It's lot of lot lot of genes on the courses I drove by but do whatever you got to.
37:06.70
dave_gerhardt
Dungery golf there there is there is one course I'm I'm up here in Vermont. There is 1 course that is open all year round up here and um, they pride themselves on as long as there's not snow which is a lot. But as long as there's not like feet of snow on the ground you they will let you go play. Yeah there's there's two days here. You can you can go there I didn't I didn't get out I really got the itch though. I'm itching to get back in there I have my um weekly.
37:22.55
Casey
The six weeks yeah
37:34.71
dave_gerhardt
Weekly lesson tomorrow. So that that's what's nice keeps me keeps me like on ah on a routine I got ah I got a lesson every week I'll probably get in the simulator once or twice. But.
37:37.26
Casey
Yeah, now can you practice putting it all during the winter in this indoor indoor facility or is that really not what you're doing.
37:45.77
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah I mean you you could in in one of the simulator rooms. There was like a cup that you could putt towards but it's like it's no different than putting on your on your carpet. It's putting is a tough one but I got a little I got a little practice mad I got a mirror I got some stuff I'm going to work on on the putting. You can. You can definitely practice the repeatability of the stroke. But I think there's just so much I need so much help with putting on all of the stuff that like I'm going to work on my stroke a little bit but it's it's tough to replicate that outside.
38:13.29
Casey
Can you can you repeat the repeatability of a mirror out on the golf course. Do you have like a full length body mirror that you can bring out does that help you take a picture of me lined up here and then show it to me.
38:21.67
dave_gerhardt
I Yeah hold on on set guys hold on hold on one second no but they so you can put a mirror I Obviously you've seen guys put with the the putting mirror. Do you know what purpose that serves though.
38:35.80
Casey
Ah, no, not a clue haven't even considered it I see I see it and I go Nope not going to meet me.
38:41.19
dave_gerhardt
Um, I'm new on the spectrum but putting is such a back to your back to talking about our will our will z guy. It's such a its such a needs to be such a repeatable motion and kind of like anything in golf. We've talked about like alignment for an example as an example here before. Um, the mirror just helps you have a repeatable like in that tiger woods how I play golf book or he says you want to have your your eyes over the ball. Well I thought my eyes were over the ball and then I put the mirror down and I don't even see my forehead in the mirror and I'm like oh shit this is how I'm supposed to be putting so it gives you a bearing for like. How you should stand at address and then like a lot of those guys use it as a warmup because you kind of like lock in the right the right setup the ball position is here your head position is here your eyes are here. They're over the ball. It's like ah just ah, a little tool to go back to being repeatable. It's also um. And guaranteed tool to look like a douchebag you know putting 10 minutes before you around on the on the muni course but it is what it is.
39:39.96
Casey
So it's funny. You say this about your eyes. Do you find when you when you work on that and you practice it more and you're conscious of it. You're putting better.
39:48.90
dave_gerhardt
I Don't know I've never this is where we're go. We're gonna find out. So.
39:53.40
Casey
So the reason I say this is years ago and and there's a question at the end of this years ago I was playing with a guy who on like the third hole this was just like a fun round. He was like line up that putter and I did. Goes your eyes aren't over over you'll never you're never hi the balls for I Don know but bla blah and I was like what are you talking about and I it all it did was get in my head for about 2 years and that's all I thought about when I got over a but I was like get got the line everything and then I got I made sure my I stuck my eyes over the ball and my question is. Are you better off practicing the way you've learned and practiced your entire life or because someone told you your eyes need to be over the ball changing how you've done something muscle memory for decades of your life because of that to the bit right? That's my question.
40:37.65
dave_gerhardt
Ah.
40:39.12
dave_gerhardt
Well bull I mean but both if you're if you've been doing something wrong if you've been doing something wrong the whole life I think there there are fundamental. Yeah, it's wrong. Well it it seems to be there's 2 schools of it. It seems to be your.
40:48.49
Casey
Is it wrong.
40:55.64
Casey
Um, is it wrong for you and me maybe it's wrong. That's my question, not a not a pro.
40:57.33
dave_gerhardt
Your eyes your eyes should never your eyes should never be over and past the ball but it seems to be there's your eyes could be There seems to be 2 schools of thought that your eyes can be over the ball or slightly inside it and that is so you can see you can have the best eyeline to the to the line that your putt needs to start at. Now Harry from god knows where who's a 12 handicap given you a putting lesson in the middle of your round or I don't know who this was like that just is the most golf. The golf thing ever. 1 thing that I do appreciate so much about Dave the guy that I go get lessons from is like. He's like there are no, there's no one answer like I I don't know because everyone's body is shaped differently is moved differently what if what? if actually what's happening with your putting is that like you're a tall dude. You're six three what if you actually what? what? if you have a 30 what if you have a thirty four inch putter and you actually need a thirty six inch putter there's just so many variables to figure out. What.
41:33.82
Casey
Right? right? right.
41:43.50
Casey
Totally I was going to see that.
41:50.45
Casey
Or or like me I'm 6 three I have I have longer arms though than someone who's 6 three should be so I actually use a shorter putter because a longer putter I'm I'm more into my chest where I'm actually my arms proportionally to where my height is is lower.
41:53.50
dave_gerhardt
Thing is.
42:09.66
Casey
That's a longer story for our tall golfer podcast that's launching in a few weeks but um yeah I think it's an interesting question but I always wonder like stuff like that I know obviously if you're doing something wrong. It's not like well I've been doing this wrong my whole life. That's what it should be I'm asking like for a pro versus.
42:13.17
dave_gerhardt
First the dish.
42:28.71
Casey
And you're a much better golfer than I am but like ah me like a nine ten handicaper am I better off working on within my own setup versus doing something that maybe the pros and really good golfers focus on to shave those you know when you get. Down to a scratch golfer. You're really just trying to shave little hairs here and there right? So is what's more What's more important for a golfer like me.
42:55.62
dave_gerhardt
Um, I Think what you're I think in this example I think I would take that I think if it's ah if it's a working on what you already have if that's wrong doing it wrong if the way that you're setting up right now you have it, you set up you set up and you aim left and you have an open potter face and you always. Slice your putts like should you just continue doing that probably not and so I think like but I think you would need to see some I think you it wouldn't be like I think the feedback is a really important piece. It's like not just doing it because someone said it and this is to me why the trackman and having data behind this has been such an important point of like. Making improvements in my game. It's not like some guy just told me like you know aim left and do this thing and I'm like oh okay, but like I can actually go and see that on on the date on the Trackman and so like yeah I would say probably if it's sound advice from somebody. But.
43:36.46
Casey
Right? right.
43:45.12
Casey
Ah, to me putting is just so much feel to me and and I've also feel like I've I've been told so many times in my life that once you get over the ball. You're not thinking of direction right? You're just thinking speed. It's pick your spot behind when you get to the ball. It's all just.
43:48.52
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah.
43:58.40
dave_gerhardt
It's feel.
44:02.14
dave_gerhardt
Um, it's feel I think parts of it are feel but for me the thing that's been really eyeopening and I think this is going to be true for you. Also is. It's all it's feel sure. But it's also you'd be surprised at how how often you are not hitting the potter the the center of the club face and.
44:03.39
Casey
Distance right.
44:18.29
Casey
Yeah.
44:21.88
dave_gerhardt
From from long game long game clip it from long game to short game like take any technical lesson about the golf swing that like pretty much to be good or to be successful. You need to hit the ball in the center of the face and so for me like putting um an inconsistent putter because I'm hitting the ball all over all over the face and so.
44:22.80
Casey
Thing.
44:40.61
dave_gerhardt
But that would be like how somebody would diagnose that so like let's watch you put if you're just puring the center of the face every time but you're not making putts and it's probably going to be your aim or your speed or something else I think that it it matters a lot and it's it's an eye-opening thing when you when you see it when I was first shown like yeah dude look at like you ever seen the where like. Pros have like where have wear marks on their putters from from putting and I'm like how I can't even I can't even fathom that. So anyway I found my old putter which is like a scottie cameron that I got when I was a saw up maybe freshman or sophomore year of high school and it's.
45:01.86
Casey
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:15.20
Casey
Oh wow.
45:18.54
dave_gerhardt
And now that I've gone back into golf and I've kind of like appreciated more I'm like this is sick and it's cool because it's my old putter but it's like beat up the shaft is it's bent because I've smashed it so many times when I was a former hothead I'm thinking about getting it I guess you can send it into Scotty they can refurbish it.
45:35.52
Casey
Um, yeah, you should I Love it.
45:37.92
dave_gerhardt
Do you like this idea like of channeling channeling the kind of old vibes the vintage vibe to take me back like my dad got me that but it was a big deal. My dad got my that putter in like ninth tenth maybe eighth or ninth grade is a big deal I want to have it I want my son to have it should I go do it or. Do I not do it because I don't want to I don't want the vibes of that putter being like when I was a really shitty golfer.
45:55.94
Casey
But well wait first are is this something you're going to add back to your bag or is this something you just want to have So you're not happy with your current. Let me hear what your current putter is and I'll tell you my thoughts and you're unhappy with it.
46:02.20
dave_gerhardt
Oh yeah, I'm no I put it in play. No no I don't I don't It's also a scottie. It's also a scottie. It's also scottie it just um.
46:14.34
dave_gerhardt
It's not that I'm unhappy with it I just like the putter I like having a store like ah putter is like the 1 club where the technology doesn't really matter and matter as much right? like I'm not going to use the driver that I used in ninth grade right? But like.
46:19.10
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:26.15
Casey
Yeah, and I hope not.
46:27.78
dave_gerhardt
The the wand like I love when they hear like you know Jt went back to the same wand he was using you know, fifteen years ago
46:31.77
Casey
So I mean that and I just I just told you I I feel like putting is so much feel and so much of that is repetition and muscle memory and I'm a big proponent I've changed a ton of stuff in my bag in the past twenty years I've had 2 or 3 putters. Like I I stick with 1 and just because it I think it's that important and it is funny I do feel you wouldn't think about it I feel like they do lose pop after a while which is a weird thing to say about a piece of metal hitting a golf ball very slightly on a green. Um, but when I go back and feel my old ones I'm like going. Yeah, this doesn't have a lot of.
46:51.80
dave_gerhardt
You know.
47:10.55
Casey
A lot of pop off of it or explosion off the face. Um, but ah to me, it's all feel. Um and I've thought a lot about refurbishing them sending him back in just to see if I can recapture some of the magic because it is like I wonder if you can get that pop back in some of them because. I had to move on from my old putter I had for about 10 years and I moved um to a new 1 about four or five years ago and I still don't feel great about it. But when I go back to old one I'm like this doesn't feel right either. So but I would encourage you I think you should do that chronicle your journey.
47:42.75
dave_gerhardt
All right I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it I will I'm gonna send it in. It's pretty cool. Looks it looks like you can get a lot of stuff done to it like all right? So ah I'll keep you posted I've been going down of I've been going down a little bit of a vintage club.
47:48.90
Casey
Um, yeah, no yeah, a lot of customization. It's cool.
47:57.18
Casey
Same.
47:58.70
dave_gerhardt
Path not in that not like a collector's sense. But there's this, there's this movement of playing with older clubs and I want to save it for a future episode. But um, that kind of like is in this same vein of like oh interesting and so I'm going i'nna I'm Goingnna bring the putter in let's some.
48:08.40
Casey
Yeah, and I will say I got into this a little bit this summer too and the 1 thing I will say it doesn't matter if you're out there playing vintage clubs if you're playing new balls. So when you buy a vintage club. You get to buy the old old balls because otherwise you're not.
48:22.55
dave_gerhardt
I Ah interesting I don't necessarily want I want I want vintage what I want to do is I want to like rebuild my high school I want to rebuild the clubs I had in like high school and play that bag and see where.
48:25.34
Casey
Experience in what you think you are.
48:34.69
Casey
Um, oh you're not talking like Hickory like you want you're talking vintage vintage to you is is 2001 like big birth. Ah x whatever yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
48:38.33
dave_gerhardt
No, no, no come on what are we talking now. Like I want the title list I want the title it. Yeah, the title list I want the title list 9 7 d driver I want the callaway you know steelhead 3 would the tailormade bubble I want the ping I 2 irons like that.
48:52.65
Casey
Taylor made bubble the bubble. Yeah yeah.
48:58.64
dave_gerhardt
That's the I'm not saying I won't get to the persimmon that I also want to do that. But I think that would be a cool, a cool thing and I want to try to convince the guys that I play with regularly to each do something similar and play 1 play play some rounds with that set and see how we do.
49:13.55
Casey
So you want to be probably 50% of our audience is dads that play twice a year and and just have these in the garage and be like what are these I don't know it's a collection of this is a big birth. Ah x Twelve five iron I found on a fairway somewhere. That's what you want just though.
49:17.37
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yeah.
49:30.65
Casey
90 s content with it not getting any better. Don't need to invest money in it set of clubs.
49:34.21
dave_gerhardt
And I thought I had those in my basement but they're when so I went home this week this week I was all excited to go see what clubs were down there and they're they're all pretty much gone. So I'm literally on I'm I'm literally on ebay trying to find myself a titleless nine 7 d. Ten and a half degree stiff shaft driver right now.
49:52.57
Casey
Um, they like Dave you some like 65 year old guy broke into the house and all he took was your old early two thousand s clubs. That's the only thing you saw value in your house.
50:06.44
dave_gerhardt
he's got ah he's got two dozen of those tailormade gel balls.
50:07.34
Casey
These old old dads Just that's all they care about. They don't want money. They don't want jewelry. They just want yeah X twelve s.
50:15.67
dave_gerhardt
All right? Let's go to in inner o b you you you give me your give you go first this week
50:22.71
Casey
Yep again, this is our buyer sell. Um I'm going to ask you Dave using props to shit talk on a course is that in play or out of bounds for you.
50:35.79
dave_gerhardt
Um, using prop like what could that even mean using props to shit talk on a course.
50:40.50
Casey
Well everyone talks shit but what it you know, taking it a step further feel like oh that Casey's that guy he brings prop store course is that I'm not getting to invite well I'll tell you so this is one of the funnier stories I I can remember but for years my dad.
50:49.59
dave_gerhardt
Like why don't even know that doesn't even it doesn't even register in my brain.
50:58.74
Casey
And his friends play weekend golf all summer long same crew for a long time. Ah, but they play like a Nasa with junk but they they also play the game snake. Do you know the game snake so snake is snake is whoever 3 putts first.
51:11.53
dave_gerhardt
I I don't.
51:18.64
Casey
In the group the most recent person the three put is the snake and then at the end of the round whoever is the last person to have 3 putted is the snake and that person knows like whether you're doing a post round tab or whatever what it's a side bet. Whatever so you don't want to be last person to be the snake someone could have it on the 7 toll and then no one three putts this rest of the day and it's them and they're so every every long two putt someone's about to have is a lot of anxiety or or excitement. So. My friend my dad and his friends would play this and they actually got to the point where they would bring out rubber snakes and throw them on the green as people were lining up. Yeah long comebackers for for pars or whatever and they would hiss. They go at some point I said this isn't golf guys. This is. Some kind of other sport but let me ask Dave what do you think using props does that help explain I'm not talking about what like the bills fans threw on the field against Brady a few years ago I'm talking about rubber snakes.
52:17.10
dave_gerhardt
But the the first time that this happened. Yeah, similar did you know this was going to happen by the way when it happened like were you completely.
52:29.78
Casey
I knew they would play this game snake but 1 time when I play with them and they had the rubber snake I was like this is a little bit too far and the hissing.
52:38.84
dave_gerhardt
It's too much but no, it's too much for me. It's funny is it funny is it silly does it play well for a podcast like this it is I'm just a simple guy I like to be yeah I like to I don't even like all the golf I don't even like all the golf games I don't like all the additive stuff I don't like all the. Like simple gambling games I like simple golf like 4 good people. We throw 2 balls on the first t we we play we play 2 ball you know, 2 2 verse 2 best ball we do it on handicaps we go play. We have a good time I don't like anything anything else. That's added additive of that. I will say if it's like your if it's like your dad and his friends and they like to fuck around and joke and like it's you know you're you're playing some like you know special you're out in California you know you're you're out at Coachella. Whatever you're got, you're going to play golf a day before or something like that and they come out and they throw the snakes. that's okay, that's okay that's fine
53:31.20
Casey
Very relatable. Yeah.
53:34.60
dave_gerhardt
Very relatable. Um I there is one one related game that we one bonus game that we do play though is ah anytime somebody is fart anytime you have to be on the green but you can call out 32 um if you're putting it means I'm betting that you're going to three putt
53:51.91
Casey
Oh that's not too far away like no never to the snakeking but we have this worse game where where I call you out.
53:53.67
dave_gerhardt
And they ah.
53:59.21
dave_gerhardt
So if you're if you're like if you're like fifty feet away I can say I can say 32 and and you get if you 2 put it. You know you get a couple bucks and if you 3 if you 3 put it I get I get a dollar so that is a little bit more personal like.
54:12.60
Casey
So that's better than hissing I guess.
54:18.22
dave_gerhardt
The thought of like going to I going to like party city and like buying 6 rubber snakes and putting them in your golf bag does seem a little bit more.
54:26.70
Casey
Well, that's funny I like that though, 32 or is it whatever money you're playing for. Is it always 3 bugs 2 But.
54:29.97
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, you could come up. Yeah, you could come up with a you could come up with a a dollar amount. Um, it does feel like shit though it doesn't feel. It's like what do you mean? I'm gonna three I go 3 put that or or somebody say I would ah I would have 32 you but you were you were on the fringe.
54:44.57
Casey
Well well, that's the beauty of snake where it's unspoken right? Like everyone knows that you don't even need to say it. It's just that kind of buildup of the like o here we go you know like the writer cup kind of crowd thing when you're ah away right? you hear like the bad first put and.
54:52.54
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, had solved to your bank account at Soft and your bank. How good that was the best 1 hat soft all right shit talking with props on a course i' go say that that's that's ob be.
54:59.78
Casey
But the crowd just says oh oh.
55:04.91
Casey
What do you get? You're calling a beyond that I'm agreeing go ahead. What do you get for yours.
55:12.00
dave_gerhardt
Um, a lot of people This is ah this is the golfers are torn on this one. What is your? what is your opinion on are you are you a music on the course guy or not is that inner O b.
55:25.70
Casey
Ah I'm not and that gets back. Well, there's a lot of reasons I'm laughing one goes back to last week not that funny but we were talking about the difference between cart golf and walk walking I feel like that's a big. There's a reason these these speakers have magnets right.
55:25.88
dave_gerhardt
And why did you laugh? Why did you laugh when I said that.
55:39.49
dave_gerhardt
Ah, cart cart cart cart golf guy has like cart golf guy has Jimmy Buffett going like blasting when we're when we're like driving in the first t and he's like all right ready. Let's have a good day boys.
55:42.29
Casey
It's because it's car off.
55:53.20
Casey
Yeah, the reason I was really laughing though is you Dave and I had the pleasure one time can I tell this story Dave and I had the pleasure 1 time of playing around a golf with former Providence College Basketball coach Ed Cooley current college basketball coach at.
55:59.96
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yes, you can.
56:13.17
Casey
A ju georgetown right? Ah and it was just quite a day. There's about I don't even know how many of the stories you want me to tell. But basically we got into this really nice golf course in Rhode Island the course completely to ourselves. We get him the first t and he says do you guys mind if I play some music and we're like. Sure, no problem and he puts on on his phone Mary J Bluge ah pandora for the entire four and a half hour round just blaring Mary Jay blush so like you the question of like music on a golf course is not even a core It's not It's a different question. It's like.
56:39.26
dave_gerhardt
I Want to be with you. Want to be with you. Want to be with you.
56:51.75
Casey
Mary J Blis on the call I can't think of a a I can't think of a type a genre of music that would be more confusing to play during not I wouldn't say better or word I just say confusing like you talk about a rhythm it is r and b but ah it was a wild day.
56:59.00
dave_gerhardt
Ah.
57:10.50
Casey
It was an awesome day shout out to Ed Cooley
57:13.67
dave_gerhardt
I Just feel ah I also feel like he didn't have um I don't even think he had a speaker I think he just like threw it on his phone and it was phone in his phone in his back pocket and.
57:17.62
Casey
Oh his phone back of the back pocket and like as loud as the phone can go as loud and not a course where you would think like you'd have anyone playing music loud A pretty nice. Nice course.
57:29.71
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, and it was you me and and my dad and it and it was like there's not a chance in the world. He had heard any any one of those songs before like.
57:41.15
Casey
Now. Ah I don't I I don't know I hadn't I'll tell you that much a few I had a few I've been to a few Jay Z Mary J Bli concerts where I timed it where I showed up right when Jay Z went on and not mary j.
57:48.49
dave_gerhardt
Well speak for yourself I'm a I'm I'm a deep I'm a deep cuts like r and b guy so I can't I can't can necessarily agree with that. But that was that was an incredible moment. Ah, there's that that brings so so the Cooley story is great.
58:06.20
Casey
That what that that Coolie story great. There's a lot more.
58:06.96
dave_gerhardt
And we have to I'm sure we have some pick. We also um, that same day we also were supposed to play at one course and it was booked wrong and so we we had to go and we we sat and waited with him and we went to just like a ah Dunkin donuts just like in in. In the in the city of providenance and you know this guy you know put providenance college kind of back on the map is a very well-known figure in the area and it's me my dad in case, he just sitting there waiting out like to find and a course to go to. He's calling. You know who.
58:24.24
Casey
Um, in downtown providence yeah held court with him for an hour in the Duncan donuts.
58:43.78
dave_gerhardt
Whoever no less than 5 people came up and you know patted him on I love love what you're doing for the program Ed you know, big fan and we're just sitting there I'm sitting there my you know my my shorts and my foot joy socks and my flip flos me like what is what planet am I on right now what is happening.
58:59.47
Casey
My my biggest takeaway from that day I think I told you was that he could run for Mayor or Governor or something of Providence like he was kissing babies taking pictures I I feel like ah, a police detail like like just like all of a sudden surrounded him and knew there was like a line people.
59:04.00
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yeah, also.
59:16.94
dave_gerhardt
And and we're talking about. We're talking about providence college here right? What that meant this this guy's on the phone. He's got an assistant and he's like hey we couldn't get on this course. Can you get us on like in the next twenty minutes at this other private course down the street boom we get out and we go this is providence college like what's happening you know with.
59:17.29
Casey
It was and it was incredible. It was It couldn't have worked out better. Yeah yeah.
59:36.86
dave_gerhardt
With Kentucky or you know Nick Sabin in Alabama like that just when I see little things at like that at that level I'm like what's the like super max version of this because this was that was an insane experience.
59:46.50
Casey
In my one of my big regrets. My life is he invited us both to a recruiting pool party at his house that weekend we couldn't make it but that would have been a show like like he get a game at Don Packnoty's house I bet.
59:54.81
dave_gerhardt
I totally forgot about that. What what would we have even done. It's related on the music front I played a member guest two years ago at a friend of mine's place and um, we were playing these got big big got big guys. these guys big drinkers big smokers, big men a do golf. This guy had the speaker on no joke he had Katy Perry radio on like it. It was it was just like a so was just blasting out of his car for not.
01:00:26.92
Casey
Um, psychological yeah answer your question I I like Quiet exactly.
01:00:28.64
dave_gerhardt
9 holes in this like nine hole rotational match I love that you me too. That's why I'm out there. That's what I'm out there for that's what I want if I'm in a resort if I'm doing the like Vegas golf thing and I'm riding with somebody and we have music on in the cart like that's that's not going to That's not going to ruin my round but I I like the quiet. That's what I'm out there to do.
01:00:50.81
Casey
You know, be a good move like in your if you've got a good group with ah like a weekend group with with some guys your age just in the first Tb like you guys modified ah put up the the bluey soundtrack real quick or you guys cool with baby shark.
01:01:04.10
dave_gerhardt
I bu um bo you guys go if I put a podcast that's cool if I listen to Joe Rogan while we while we go play. Are you have a didn make the case this week
01:01:05.89
Casey
Like now I'm here not for that reason.
01:01:11.74
Casey
O.
01:01:20.34
Casey
I do I do have a make the case. So um, and let me just say thanks to um, everyone for for their their support for my idea last week of a tall guy section or tall person section at concerts. But this week ah I will move to something that does affect me from time to time Dave you've ah, it's probably been a little bit since you've been in a crowded Starbucks or Starbucks I want to say you're probably in some more brick and Mortar Vermont places now but you can remember the days where you were battling the mobile pickup line at Starbucks right.
01:01:50.90
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's worse than waiting in line now. Yeah I.
01:01:53.15
Casey
Yeah, so my idea is we need to create some kind of StarbucksSPd I'm going to call them a special mobile order order unit when you go into a Starbucks and there's 400 people crowded around this side table where this one woman's just.
01:02:01.89
dave_gerhardt
So.
01:02:11.70
Casey
Reading off names and they're just blocking access to the table. Why can't we have some kind of police officer that comes in that is able to issue like citations for this is kind of an idea I had too for the airport for the boarding. Lanes when people line up or clog that area. Why can't you get? Ah, you can get a speeding ticket. Why can't you get a walking ticket or like a clogging ticket. So my idea is we need some kind of Starbucks spd police force for again, special mobile order unit.
01:02:45.89
Casey
And they issue citations suspensions bans you can be a banned from Starbucks for a week. You need to keep that lane open good behavior. Maybe you get discounts and stuff if you if you go I Don know six months without a citation or whatever. But that's my idea and. If I haven't already given away that I'm a masshole I probably just told him myself. But that's my idea this week. Dave what do you think.
01:03:10.85
dave_gerhardt
Um, um.
01:03:14.78
Casey
You're torn. You don't like my idea of of being issued I've said this forever you should if if you're walking on the wrong side of the road or the or the wrong side of the hallway.
01:03:17.20
dave_gerhardt
I'm torn.
01:03:23.30
dave_gerhardt
This.
01:03:28.17
Casey
You're just standing in the middle of a so crowded sidewalk like standing on your phone or texting you should be able to get like a $15 ticket like someone should be able to like a parking ticket same thing. Why not.
01:03:36.19
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm the guy that walks on the like at the airport I walk on the on the the Runway the escalator the the moving escalator some people just stand right in the middle of that thing.
01:03:45.00
Casey
Right? That's fun that and that's a choice right? I'm talking more like you're forcing your you're you're standing and blocking my way or you're you think you're more important than anyone that you need to.
01:03:59.87
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's tough that's tough and I all right fine I'm I'm with you I vote for I'll fund it with tax dollars. Um I think the bigger is.
01:04:02.49
Casey
You need to stay in here and wait for your coffee. So no one else can even get up to check if their coffee is in front of you.
01:04:15.20
Casey
Um, fund the police says Dave Gearhart up that.
01:04:17.67
dave_gerhardt
You fund fund the police in Starbucks that will go that that should really catch on um, fund the fine but I think ah the the real issue is that the Starbucks is this is not like you do you remember like you know 5 6 seven years ago working in the city or whatever. You ordered that if you did a Starbucks mobile order your coffee was the only damn coffee at that mobile order and you'd walk in and you'd grab it and you'd pick it up now. It's like become. That's the only butha and like you're looking at all these people in line like you morons I know how to use the app baby now.
01:04:43.18
Casey
Like Moses pardon The seas.
01:04:50.48
Casey
Um, yep, it was like Tsa Precheck was like that for a bit.
01:04:55.98
dave_gerhardt
It it totally.. It's exactly that's a good comparison Now. That's like the default ordering mode I Think the real issue is like that they still they don't adjust the the pickup time and so like you think that you think that you're going to press order on that coffee and you're just going to show up and it's going to be there and you. They don't factor in the thousand other orders that got replacing.
01:05:12.33
Casey
Yeah, they need to get together with ways I'm I'm with you on that they sometimes there's nothing more that will make your heart drop more than getting into a Starbucks in the morning and you timed it well like I've got a 30 minute walk or a 25 minute walk to my office as a Starbucks. 20 minutes away from my house right before I get to work I buy time and it's ready but blah blah. But when you walk in there and it's crowded and then someone yells like we're running 25 minutes behind pickup time like oh my god I could have I could have stayed at home and practiced my.
01:05:41.60
dave_gerhardt
Um, and that's that's Starbucks time. That's not real time either that that means they're already behind.
01:05:47.38
Casey
Putter putting in a mirror for another 25 minutes right
01:05:51.20
dave_gerhardt
Ah, no, you would have no, you wouldn't have you would have stuck to your ways and not not taken advice from that from from that guy. Oh oh yeah, she actually I think it was maybe for my either either our birthday or anniversary last year. It wasn't holding my putter but she made.
01:05:54.98
Casey
Has your wife ever walked in on you staring at yourself in the mirror holding a butter.
01:06:07.77
Casey
Where is this going.
01:06:09.42
dave_gerhardt
For an entire year. She is for an entire for an entire year. She filmed me doing like my take my reheart like takeaway rehearsal like in all like I would be like cooking eggs and like while the eggs were cooking I would take dispaatchel and like practice. My.
01:06:22.77
Casey
Um, oh really just like when you weren't noticing.
01:06:25.22
dave_gerhardt
Not for like for my own enjoyment like not for any any like the most now I'm like in my sweat pans and slippers in my house and she had taken videos like for for a year and like did a month did a real about it for my birthday or something.
01:06:32.79
Casey
That's hilarious.
01:06:38.83
Casey
That's so funny I It reminds me a few weekends ago is out at a bar and I got talking to this buddy of mine about golf and he he was started doing something like a swing like showing me something and I stop him I go you get a stop. You don't know who is recording you right now you're going to end up on some ticktock that you don't even find who's like look at this dad at this bar practicing practicing his swing. It's it's scary times out here for us dads. Yeah yeah.
01:07:05.30
dave_gerhardt
You're going to be on zy you're gonna be on Zyre golf like rehearsing your takeaway in the air in the airport. All right? um, send us. We didn't get time to get to listener emails this week but keep them keep them coming long game pod.
01:07:15.72
Casey
Yeah, we got to get through them too.
01:07:19.68
dave_gerhardt
Long game pod at Gmail.com case always a pleasure sitting here chopping it up with you. Um, look I'm going to be the best part about this pod is I didn't have a reason to watch the hero world challenge other than Lucas Glover was in the field now I'm going to be in their tiger's back I'm excited to to. Text you through the weekend and and see and see how things go this weekend. Ah if you happen to be around the Albany resort in the Bahamas um feel free to send us a screenshot or or write us and let us know how the the bosubosugrill was.
01:07:50.52
Casey
Right? Come on the pod.