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Some debate topics never seem to go away.
“Black People Can’t Be Racist,” Old Faithful, is one of those conversations that keeps showing up across TikTok. It draws attention, brings people in, and gets repeated over and over again.
In this discussion, Jeff from End of a Species and Super Solid use that topic as a starting point to look at something bigger: the current state of online debate.
The real question is not just about the topic itself. It is about the quality of the conversation:
“Black People Can’t Be Racist,” Old Faithful, is one of those conversations that keeps showing up across TikTok. It draws attention, brings people in, and gets repeated over and over again.
In this discussion, Jeff from End of a Species and Super Solid use that topic as a starting point to look at something bigger: the current state of online debate.
The real question is not just about the topic itself. It is about the quality of the conversation:
- Do participants share the same understanding of reality?
- Are people using consistent standards of logic and evidence?
- Is anyone actually learning, or just repeating positions?
This is a breakdown of why so many debates feel like they go nowhere, and what needs to change if better conversations are the goal.
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Yeah, I might play with this a little bit and figure out
what's going on with this tickety tockety because I don't believe it.
Speaking of...
I've been trying to get you off of TikTok.
For like the longest.
Like, you know, you know, we're moving from TikTok
over to YouTube, and I've been trying to say, you know, Solid, come with me.
But but every single time.
Every single time you're about to make the move, I say
something, you're like, ooh.
What was that yesterday, you said?
Oh, oh, you gave me an idea for a prompt and I
was like, oh, uh, something about we were talking about
why should I?
Oh, the follow the law.
Yeah, follow the law.
Then I'm like, ooh, if I do a topic about, based
on like, why should I follow the law?
That gives me an opportunity to talk about a monopoly
on violence to talk about, uh, the, like
how capitalism works, the maintenance of capitalism?
I could even talk about like the, um, like solidarity,
which would be like a dirkheim type of, like conversation.
So I'm like, um, Just ideas out the wazoo.
And I remember you being upset.
Yeah, I was like, here I am trying to get you off
the app, and then I just handed you...
The the needle.
I'm like, hey, try this.
Delicious.
And
so for me, like, it's been, I don't
know, like, for all of us, I think doing debates
on TikTok has been a struggle.
Because of how, like, 1st how bad?
The, the, um, I
don't even want to call it opposition.
We call it opposition.
Is that what it is?
You can call that opposition because they are opposed to...
Literally everything we do.
So we can call it opposition.
Yeah, they're terrible.
They suck.
Um
There's a bunch of stuff.
Like, I don't,
I don't really think a lot of it drives
around the quality of
the conversation based on the opposition.
And my contention's always been that like, there's not really learning happening.
Not as much, like, there's been
learning, but not as much as, say,
If we were just giving the information or
speaking to better opposition.
Like opposition that knows what's going on.
Even then, like, you know what I've noticed watching like the professional
debaters like that are opposition?
They actually do the same exact shit.
Like, um, the ones that,
everybody regards or hails as like
being these really good debaters.
Um, especially on the right.
They just, they don't understand what they do.
They like live in fallacy.
Like everything's a fallacy.
And so I don't, I don't know if it gets better when we go other places.
Maybe in the deconstruction community.
You know what I mean?
I don't think it.
The I think the deconstruction community is actually worse because...
Some people.
It's not dishonesty, some people write the
rules as they go.
And as you point out that the rules are
inconsistent or don't align with
reality, then they write new rules.
And that's been happening for for millennia,
like, literally writing the rules of reality
as we go, and that's not good.
But it is actually worse.
But I think the difference
with some opposition is
like, take some of like the worst high profile
people that you know.
They will say the, the, the
loud part out loud or even the, like we say the quiet.
quiet part, but it's really the loud part.
They'll say it.
They'll be like, I just don't like black people or
I think women are inferior or some stuff like that.
They'll just say it.
And then we can engage with that.
Like some people shy away from it.
They they disguise it as a...
rage bait, but that's that's actual substance.
Like you can directly address that, right?
Yeah, you could do something about that.
You can have the conversation as to, like, a deeper level of, like,
Why, right?
Well, I don't like you because, you know, you're black, right?
And then you go, okay.
Well, let's examine that.
Like, why, what's the, what is the function of that?
Oh, God.
What's what's the functionality of not liking somebody because
they're like, hm?
No, but uh, what is the function?
What's, like, what is the purpose of that?
Like, socially?
Interesting. have that conversation.
And I think that's.
A good segue into.
Today's episode of The End of a Species podcast,
which is, and does have to do with
what you call old faithful.
Um, that's actually what I'm entitled to the episode.
We'll call it old faithful.
Oh, faithful.
Oh, faithful.
What is old faith?
What is old faithful is...
We call, we call this prompt, old faithful
because...
It's guaranteed to get people to
come into the live.
Uh, admittedly, it's a little rage baby.
The the topic is black people can't be racist.
Okay.
You know what?
I don't I don't agree that it's rage, baby.
Okay, it's like, it's like, I'm gonna, yeah,
it's like this.
Bait is bait, right?
Like worms, little fly, whatever it is, that's bait.
Right.
A piece of cardboard is just a piece of cardboard, right?
Black people can't be racist would be like putting a piece
of cardboard on the hook and having the fish go, ooh, I want that.
They're not supposed to be going for the cardboard.
That's not supposed to be making you mad,
like the idea of black people.
can't be racist, is not supposed to be making you mad.
Not supposed to piss you off.
Yeah, but the reality is that it pisses
off so many people, right?
Yeah, the flip.
Look, if I was if I was to say all white people are racist.
That's supposed to make you mad if you don't know about this stuff.
But the but this one, I don't think that's supposed to really, like,
you're not supposed to get mad at that.
No, uh, the, do you remember when I
was doing the prompt that said Black Joy?
Yeah.
That's not supposed to piss you, huh?
It's not.
It's not.
The only type of person who that...
And this is what I was saying.
It's rage baby because it, yes, I am of
full cognizance that it pisses anti-black
people off, right?
But if it is such bad rage bait, how
come you keep taking it, like, you did what I'm saying?
How
you keep singing the piece of chicken on the hook?
You saw the last fish.
Right onto the hook and disappear.
He's in the boat.
That is true.
And then you see it, and you still see it, and you're
just like, still mad.
That is true because you could have a
whole 45 minute conversation.
With another dude on a panel on mute, just chilling.
And he might show you that he's present
because sometimes he'll interrupt him, but like, we'll get to what we said, bro.
Yeah, we'll be right.
And he's listening to the whole conversation.
And then, dude, A, gone.
He's he's done.
conversation over.
Dude B pops up.
Well, okay, so you got the prompt,
black people can't be raised.
What's your argument?
What's the definition of racism?
Like, and like the last...
You saying the last thing that he said?
We just went through this.
We literally like, like, no lie.
The 1st guy will say, what's the definition?
And we might go through Webster's, Oxford,
Cambridge, like all the different
Dictionaries.
Then we'll transition into, you know, you
eat, sometimes you outline the, the, I'm a, you're going to say this, and I'm going to say this.
You going say this, I'm going to say this.
But then you get to the end,
and the crazy part really is when the 2nd
guy comes in and says,
What's the difference?
It's like, We starting over again.
Why are we, what, like why are we starting over again?
The thing that blows my mind is,
how come you think it's going to work this time?
It didn't work last time?
Why do you think now all of a sudden it's going to work?
It simply doesn't work.
Like my views don't change because you asked me the definition or
because there is a definition somewhere that agrees with you.
The the facts are the fact, like the way things work,
are the way things work.
We're not here to talk about.
First of all, like we waste so much time talking
about whether or not the dictionary is the arbiter
of how racism works, right?
Like, if that were the case, it would be the arbiter of every,
it would control how every word it describes works.
would be the most powerful people in society.
What is this, what is this, death note?
Right?
You write it in the book.
You know what?
I think cheese is really hot women in
my, uh, in my garage right now
washing my car.
And then, you know, it walks out to the garage with
a pack of craft singles and just wait.
You know what I'm saying?
The dictionary doesn't control how things
work.
The dictionary describes how people are using words.
And so when you bring up the definition to
me, like the definition is the end all be all,
it's just worship of the written word.
That's all it is.
You're saying the word, the writing is more powerful
than the entity.
The writing is more powerful than the phenomenon.
The writing is more powerful than the people.
Right?
Doing the thing that the writing describes.
And so the the part that fucks me up is.
If I ask for more substance, It,
it, it just, it simply won't.
No, even more.
If I do, if we do like a, I
don't know what it's called, we do a comparison.
I'll ask the question.
You and me, we're sociologists.
We're going to do a thought experiment.
And we're going to figure out why more people are getting married in Florida
than there are people getting married in New York.
And they're happy to engage, right?
Because they're all in cells, right?
So they went, they're like, well, we would have to look at their
financial status.
Probably the religious and the age and we were they
high vibrational today.
they?
What are they bringing to the table, right?
But all of a sudden they become these fucking mini sociologists.
And the dictionary goes poof.
Yeah, it disappears.
What's the definition of marriage, actually?
Nobody, not one person, not one person is said this.
Not a single person has asked me what the definition
of marriages.
Now, me.
I want to focus on a different style of
opposition.
I want to hone in on when we occasionally
for this topic get a fill bro.
And if you want to know what a Phil bro is, just go to end
of a species.com to the blog and there's a whole blog post on that.
I'll probably write more because.
They need to be studied.
Phil Bros need to be.
Studied.
Well, what's going on?
What it seems like we're having a eureka moment.
You did it again.
Oh no.
Oh, no.
You know what?
The producers are gonna actually kill me.
Like, we're we're we're losing this this time.
We're losing this tug of war battle for
solid soul, and we're actually pushing him in the wrong direction.
I just came up with...
When they ask me the definition of racism.
I'm just going to describe what married,
what getting married looks like, that they're going to say.
No, that's the definition of marriage.
And I'm gonna say, no, it's not.
No, it's not.
Then we're going to pull up the definition of marriage and it's not
going to say the things, right?
Hear me out.
Then I'm going to be like, so wait a
minute, you understood what I was talking about, even though
it wasn't the definite, Jesus.
All right, you know what?
Old faithful is old faithful for a reason.
It ain't going nowhere.
Well, This is the
thing that I like, right?
is, is.
It does give us an opportunity to
discuss, once we get past that definition bullshit, right?
It does give us the opportunity to discuss the form, right?
Or the operation of, like, from a
sociological perspective, how racism works, right?
Um, and also, it also gives me great pleasure to be able to.
Make fun of Kadanka chats, but...
That is a bonus.
Making fun of Kadunka Chudz is a bonus.
But okay, so every now and again, we'll get somebody who says...
What's the contradiction?
Right?
Like with black people can be racist.
And all they're doing is engaging
in some critique of a modal thing.
I'm not going to go into too much detail already.
You know, the...
Just real quick, just real quick.
What does that mean?
Modal is just a realm of logic
that deals with what's possible and what's impossible?
what's necessary, that kind of stuff, right?
And so...
It doesn't really matter because you
can have the conversation in regular people speak.
You don't have to get into like super
philosophy terms and just talk about what that is.
The mistake that these people make is to think that
we're talking about a realm of possibility
within logic when we're not.
And that doesn't mean that we're being illogical.
That just means that what rules possible and
impossible for a social construct, Right?
Is sociology.
So that's the realm that writes the rules.
Are the rules hard and fast, like cemented
into like a tablet?
No, they're not chiseled into anything, but they
require analysis for you to even infer them.
So if I was to say,
It's possible for every Muslim tomorrow to
just turn into Christians.
I don't have to tell you some crazy sociological rule.
Like, I can do analysis and and craft one, right?
That you can you can do, uh,
some dialectical materialism.
You could do some historical materials.
You could do some sort of analysis on society and say,
Yeah, I don't I don't think that I don't think that that's possible.
In the same way, when we say black people can't be
racist, we're begging for that same analysis.
And so what the Phil bro does is try to take the conversation away
from that area where we're
talking about this, like, hey, Sociologically,
if you do an analysis, let's talk about that.
And they want to move it over here to
where the bar is just.
Are unicorns possible?
Could there be some reality in which this thing actually exist?
And that is...
exhausting part of it, right?
is because they're busy trying to defeat the sentence
instead of trying to prove me wrong.
I heard you say that once.
In a in a live.
And I never told you this, but you don't know how much you cooked with that.
Because logical possibility is
literally all about sentences.
It's about syntax.
So when somebody says, what's the contradiction, right?
If I say that, you know, somebody
will say like, oh, you have a square circle.
You can get a contradiction out of that, right?
contradiction.
If I say, hey, there's a married bachelor.
It's a married person who's not married.
That's a contradiction.
So that sentence.
It's the sentence, right?
That doesn't mean that we're saying anything about reality.
That's just saying that, hey, in logic.
The sentence has to be like this.
In this type of logic.
Right.
And again, I don't want to go into the weeds.
Like, if you want to read up on the different types of logic, you
can, because there's there's sentences where something
like a contradiction can be okay, right?
Irrelevant.
The point is, is that if we're talking about
Chemistry.
There is no contradiction.
In the sentence, hydrogen is not flammable.
Because there's nothing about the definition of hydrogen that
says that it is flammable.
That's an attribute that we that we look at.
But you wouldn't do that in a chemistry conversation and just go,
well, what's the contradiction with hydrogen not be inflammable?
Like, that would be nuts.
But they do that in, in,
in this conversation.
To obfuscate.
You know what I mean?
I love that you described it that way, that time,
because before you said, like,
What is it that's?
Oh, I think you said hydrogen inflammable?
I'm not sure how you.
No, in the past, I've said stuff about, like, whether or
not carbon can bond to something or, like,
different, there's different chemistry things that are things that
we know, not from the definition of the element or the
thing, but things that we know because we went out into the world and we did it.
We like, oh, look, H2O is water, blah, blah, blah.
before we knew that, that wasn't part of the definition of water.
So it wouldn't have been a contradiction to say that water was silicone.
But that's not chemist, but you're not doing chemistry at that point.
You're just, you're just saying shit.
As you're saying stuff.
That's that's been the biggest plight
for me is like trying to get motherfuckers to understand that like,
hey, listen, if you want to.
That's why I just give them the concession, right?
And then and not for nothing, man.
This is textbook manipulative.
Okay, behavior.
I am just being manipulative to the opposition because
I'll say some shit like, uh,
Okay, sure, man.
Yes, I will concede that in a timeline, right,
where unicorns, fart, um,
ice cream, unicorns, poop out ice cream, which isn't a contradiction.
It's not a contradiction.
It's not in a timeline, in
a universe where, um, you know, uh,
the nutcracker actually runs off with the rat.
You know what I'm saying?
Black people could be raced.
I, like,
But I'm not concerned about that timeline.
I'm not concerned about that universe.
I'm concerned about what is tangible
here, right?
What at least linearly, chronologically, okay?
at least, right?
I'm a, I'm a, I'm concerned with how the
past conditions affect the material conditions today.
And that's it.
Yeah, right?
If you want to have a, if you want to talk about the future, okay,
we'll talk about the future.
Uh, in another conversation, not this one.
You know what I mean?
But you know what?
I would suspect that even in there, like if you're using
any kind of actual reasoning, You're
going to end up in the same place, like even in future, because I'm going to say, hey,
if you're just doing some sort of induction,
like you're just taking the past and saying, hey, you know,
we could say, When Europeans reached
different shores, were they immediately enslaved and slaughtered?
No.
No.
Oh, okay, so we can, we can, we can make that inference, right?
Our, our, our sister, Dorna.
If y'all know, shout out Adorna looks.
Shout out Adorna.
She'll say that there's, I forget which dictionary it is,
but it's starting to define the N word.
As something that we use against anybody.
Right?
I mean, just uh, uh, an ignorant person, something like that, right?
And so there is a state in the future where that could be a thing.
Like you could just see every dictionary adopt that, that paradigm.
But that's a good example of something that's not going to change the rules on the ground.
Right?
There's a big difference between the reclaimed term that
you and I use when we call like when we talk to each other.
And some dude from Alabama that just jumps on the live and
hits us with the hard ER 10 times.
It's not the same thing, right?
Like, so relying on the definition there is
really useless.
Because you're ignoring reality, like you're ignoring,
It would be like if I was to say, hey, water's water.
It doesn't matter if it's room temperature or
212 degrees Fahrenheit.
If I throw it on you, I just through.
I just threw water on you, right?
Like no big deal.
It's water.
You're ignoring all the extra context.
And I also like how you like you
have a thing that you say about slapping somebody's hand.
The context is important, right?
Yeah, and the context matters, you know?
I think, uh...
I'm writing a script right now that talks about stigmatization,
outgroup derogation.
There's one more thing than I can't think of right now, but
I'm talking about the ways that in groups.
See themselves as superior and out and
and the way they demonize or.
Figure out how to dislike, uh, outgroups, right?
The the us versus them.
Sort of uh, phenomenon.
Yeah.
Right?
And um.
The reason why I'm writing the script is to talk about,
All of the ways that
prison labor has been justified,
right, all the ways that society has
been convinced to be okay with prison labor.
Right?
Um, it's all part of the cultural hegemony.
And.
The context here is that we do have
a substantial amount of menstrualsy.
News cycles.
Uh, government led propaganda.
We've got mountains and mountains and mountains
of examples of the dehumanization
of non-white people.
Right?
The vilification, uh, the derogation of
non-white people.
We've got mountains of that.
The way you have to ignore all
of that in order to say, well, what's the definition?
If it's, if the definition says it, then it's,
then it's the thing, and it's just as bad.
Have you seen people go, black people are the most racist.
Have you seen?
Yeah.
Like, what, there's no way, bro.
what are we doing
There's no there's no way, bro.
We just had a Charlottesville and a
president excuse Charlottesville.
Yeah.
And then people.
Excuse, excuse,
the excusing.
Yeah.
In in 2 different ways.
That's not what he really meant, and he's right.
Right.
And they can't even get on the same page.
Wow, they all like the white supremacists.
You know what I'm saying?
And and so when we abandon,
like there's just has, you have to abandon a lot of reasoning here.
You have to abandon a lot of,
you have to literally bury your head in the sand.
100%.
Yeah.
I want to talk about Dodges.
And I'm doing this to be petty.
Um, I'm doing it to be petty because.
Like a charger?
No, well, no, I'm doing it to be like...
No, I'm saying like a Dodge Charger?
More like a LA Dodger, like
a, like a,
One of them movies with Ben Stiller and them, like,
you know, straight up.
Yeah.
Because a dodge is another Phil bro term.
A Phil bro will ask you a question.
And, like, if you ask me a question, like,
How many vehicles have you owned?
Right.
And I want it clarified.
Let's practice.
How many vehicles have you owned?
Now, here's my day.
Do you mean in my lifetime?
That's a clarifying question.
That's clarifying question.
The the Phil bro will say, well, that's dodge
number one because you didn't answer my question.
A clarifying question is okay.
Okay.
While.
Now ask me, do
I think driving is okay?
Do you think driving is okay?
Well, people drive all the time.
That's not an answer, and it's not a clarification.
That's sometimes what the Phil bro will do.
Yeah.
And not think they're dodging the question.
Right?
Right, right.
So I want to talk about the 5 this is
today's top five.
The top 5 ways that people dodge.
Super simple questions.
For sure.
All right.
The number five, I'm
going to say, is...
Hitting you with some invisible rule book.
Right.
And that's, um, that's where the, uh, the
definitions come in.
That's where,
you'll ask somebody a yes or no question that's perfectly reasonable.
It's just gaining and they'll say you're putting me in a box.
Like that means anything, right?
Or you, or what's worse is
like, for example, you might, uh, you might ask somebody, that same question.
Is driving okay?
Well, people drive all the time and you go, you're not answering the question, like,
You just want me to answer how you want to answer.
That one?
Pisses me off.
I gave you an answer.
It's just not the kind of answer you like.
Well, no.
You you gave a non-answer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not gonna like the actual answer that you give.
If you give one.
But what you did was answer some other
question.
There could be a pivot.
Adjacent to the black people can't be racist.
Uh, we've been having talks about what races
have been enslaved.
And that's another technical conversation, right?
Like so, Our, our sibling,
Black Swan, our sister, has been running this,
this conversation.
And.
You know, people will, Did you
know slavery comes from the worst love, blah, blah, blah, right?
And they do the same thing over.
So that's the, what's the, the, did you know slavery comes from
the word Slav, is their version of what's the definition?
Like, this goes from this.
What's the definition of slavery?
definition of slavery.
It's a slob.
It's like nobody was making the claim that slavery doesn't
come from the word sloth.
Nobody's making the claim that black people were the only people who were slaves.
That's not that's not the, that's not the claim.
But it makes me mad.
But number 4 would be like the...
The claim is white people were never slaves, right?
It is.
Okay, all right, but in so insofar as they
weren't racialized as white.
Like, whoever you would typically...
Yeah, they're white.
No, they weren't.
That's not the the racial cat.
Anyway, you would see them as white now, but
they weren't, they white nest didn't exist then.
Yeah.
And so like,
That would be the, the, the, number 4 is the,
the, uh, the pivot to something else.
Like somebody will be.
will be asked to show how they were racialized
as white, and they'll hit you with,
I call it the all slaves, the all Slavs matter.
defense.
Um, Like, we didn't ask you that.
So somebody be like, hey, our, our,
what's, were Slavs racialized as white in in
Scandinavia?
But they were slaves too, but
that's not...
That's not the, that's a pivot.
That something else, right?
Right.
Number two.
Would be the modal shift.
And that's that's what we're, we were, we've been talking about.
And that's where like, uh, is
it, is it possible for a
black person to be racist?
Well, is there a contradiction?
Like, I didn't ask you that.
I didn't ask you about no contradictions.
I didn't ask about none of that.
I asked you to lay out.
What?
And we're talking about sociology.
Like I had a conversation yesterday.
And dude was like, why should I adopt the sociological definition?
I said, because you're talking about sociology.
That's circular.
Yeah, but you're in here or you're in the room already.
Right?
So it's not.
In the same way that, like, if you walked in front of a
judge and you go, why should I adopt the legal definition?
Well, because you're in a law, you're in a court of law.
you're doing law stuff.
You're not going to tell the judge, well, that's circular.
No, like that's where you're at.
That's the domain you're in happens to be that one.
And if the prescriptive definition of theft is theft, or
whatever it is, that's what you're rolling with, right?
Okay.
So like the modal shift in saying, well, I
want to, I want to work in this door, or actually, I'll just call it the domain
shift because really, we're talking about one domain
and you want to switch it to some other shit.
That's not what we're talking about, right?
Like, what do you mean, psychologically?
No, we're not talking about psychology.
We're talking about sociology.
But why aren't we talking about archaeology?
Because we're talking about sociology, dude.
What do you want?
Why aren't we talking about chemistry?
Yeah.
Then there's the moving target.
The moving target.
moving target with racism is a good one.
Because we've all seen the chart, like the little the Venn
diagram joint.
Oh, you're talking about the interpersonal destruction?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so the moving target is, oh,
you're taught, like, before you even get anything out your mouth.
You're talking about systematically, I'm
talking about individual.
And then when you go towards individual, And
you say, hey, the individual relies on the system, like, uh,
like, I like when you ask, how did they know they were black?
Yeah.
How did they even find out they were back in the 1st one?
Like, do you know how many people in the past week have
realized that white people don't have white skin?
Like, your hat is white.
My hat is white.
White people's skin ain't white.
They know that.
They've always known that.
and this is the thing that bugs the shit out of me.
They're not bringing that up because they think they,
you know what I mean?
Because they literally thought people's skin was right.
They're bringing that up because they think it's a gotcha.
And I don't know what gotcha
they think it is because everybody knows
that the...
listen, 1st of all, there's the presupposition here.
that blackness and whiteness,
that that race is about literally skin
color, right?
There's the that presupposition.
We're leaving out all the rest of the food.
phenotypical markers.
leaving all the hair, the hair, color, the hair texture,
the shape of the eyes, the shape of the nose, the,
we're leaving out all these other phenotypical markers.
And we're just saying, they think it's just based on skin color.
The step 2 is point
out that uh, race, the
names of the races don't match the legitimate,
the actual skin color of the person.
I'm pink or I'm peach colored.
You're not black, you're brown.
Step three, they think they've invalidated race.
As a whole.
This is an overcomplicated thought
terminating cliche.
It's overcomplic-.
There's just all these steps to it to them
then thinking that they somehow have invalidated
race, so then if race doesn't exist, then we can
shut down the conversation about racism altogether, right?
No, no, no.
Because these are just names that
we gave to things.
Right?
A Maserati is neither a Maz, nor
is it a rotty.
That's true we gave to the car.
That's true.
And then the number one, numero Uno,
is just answering a different question.
That's the number one thing, just answering a different question.
There's this bit I do.
When I ask a question and somebody answer something else, I'll
make up a character and I'll say, hey, there's this dude in Tennessee
to ask you question X.
That's the question you answered.
But he ain't here.
He don't even know that you answered his question.
Like, he just, so I'll be like, hey, uh,
Do, uh, do I have a choice in being black?
Like, can I identify as white if I wanted to if I woke up in the
morning and engage in society that way?
And somebody will be like,
Race is just a social construct.
Like, hey, so like, the dude in Tennessee,
he asked, Is race a social construct
and you answered his question.
Like you just affirmed his...
That's not what I asked you.
I done asked you if I can, how do
I engage with race?
That's a that's a different question.
Yeah, so just answer that question.
Yeah, just go ahead.
You know why I love that bit about like, you're
answering a question to some guy in Kentucky asking.
You know why I love that?
Why?
Because it's possible.
It's within the realm of possibility that a guy
in Kentucky actually did answer that question, right?
But you're not, you're not.
you're not answering the question that was asked here and now.
Well, yeah, some dude in Kentucky waking up.
He accidentally puts CNN on.
And they saw talking about, oh, racism in the U.S.
and he goes, I wonder if race is a social construct.
Here come Kadunka Chudd on your live,
did you know race was a social contract?
We're like, oh, you you answered Jim Bob's question.
Why are you an- why are you answering Jim Bob's question?
Jim Bob ain't here?
Go find Jim Bob?
Here, we ask the whole difference in the whole different shit.
Like, you might want to have a conversation with that dude.
He just discovered CNN for the 1st time after
years of Fox News and then realized they're saying the same shit.
They do the same thing over there.
doing the same thing.
And doing the same exact thing.
Ah, Cadunk and Chads are.
And I know we get frustrated because it seems to be an
endless drove.
of people who Don't understand the shit.
And are trying the same things over and
over again, right?
So, you can have an a person that you've...
Never met before.
We have our Urkels, right?
We got our Mancinis, we got our marshals.
We got, right?
We have Urkel's exist.
But then you'll get a Randall that you've never met before.
Like you've never met them.
And the 1st thing out of their mouths will be.
What's the definition?
You know what I mean?
And then you'll say, uh, can
I be, can I be white if I want to?
And he'll go,
Oh, you're a, Racist is a social construct.
And it's like, how are you?
how do you know to do the same thing that the last motherfucker did?
Like, how, you've never even met that person.
How do you know to do that?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, a lot of times, and for some of
these, we've actually traced like the source text.
And oftentimes it's something on social media,
either Facebook or Twitter or whatever.
Where somebody wrote some shit.
And it's stupid shit, like nobody's.
Nobody's challenging them on it, but they wrote some stuff.
And even if they did, because sometimes you go into these posts
and you look in the comments and there's like 10 people in there going,
this is the dumbest shit I ever heard.
But, That
person will have like a 1000000
views, you know, 500,000
likes, whatever it is.
And they're reading that and they're like, aha.
Got it.
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I have the thing that is like
the the silver bullet for this conversation.
I have to read to do it.
I didn't have to do nothing except for...
Just engage and just repeat the stuff.
If you get a few questions in, the whole thing falls
apart, but then comes the stiff arm.
Like, I don't want questions.
I don't want none of that.
All I want is to keep repeating
the mantra, right?
I want to be like the pull doll and just keep saying the same thing over and over again.
And that comes in the form of like
when you get too far in the conversation, they go,
What's the definition of?
They just started the conversation.
So it's not just old faithful for us.
It's also old faithful for them.
Absolutely.
Because the...
Now look, for the audience, now that I've said it, you
can't unsee it.
And I I try to point it out when I'm on a live.
But.
You'll see, because this happens out in
public too, like when people are having these actual debates
and if you watch things like surrounded or you watch
toy, somebody will get to a and they'll say the
thing again, they'll start it over.
When they when they feel it's like a knee jerk, like.
But I think they can be, you know, that kind of thing.
It's it's pretty bad and it's
pretty stark, but like, It is what it is.
And they, they all have that
same habit, which is why we see these patterns for them.
And that's it, and I think that speaks to a greater
social conditioning as well, right?
You said, yeah, you could trace it back
to the source text.
Uh, you know, American culture
might be the source text for a
lot of, a lot of shit, man.
So, um, do
you think this is my question for you?
Do you think people, Learn,
do fallacies on accident?
Or do you think they like learn fallacies?
Um, and then try to employ those fallacies.
I think that...
Fallacies are the result of bad habits.
And the most common bad habit is starting
with the conclusion.
That that's the most common bad habit.
If I hear somebody have a
tremendously ridiculous take.
Right?
I always, even for the most ridiculous take.
As long as it doesn't violate one of the 3
rules and the rules are on the site.
What site?
End of a species.com, of course.
Um, but as long as it doesn't violate one of those.
Right.
I will give them a
chance to hear, hear the map, right?
Because I'm not leading with the idea of, of course,
this person is wrong.
You know, I'm leading with the idea of,
well, according to the stuff that I know, this isn't
correct, but I don't know everything.
So there may be some information I have.
Now, it's true that 999
times out of 10,000.
There's some stupid shit going to come out.
Like somebody going to say some foolishness.
Right.
But I'm still going to give it that that shot.
Like give it a chance.
Give you an opportunity to show me the logic behind it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And in the same way as like if somebody brings a source to me.
And they're like, this shows that my position is great.
I'm going to read it.
I'm going to go through it.
And then the minute that I find some stuff that is like, hey,
this says the opposite of what you said.
Then my antenna, my antenna don't,
don't stay up on default.
My my antenna comes up when you give me a reason for them to be up.
which is for me to say.
I just saw like the 1st paragraph.
Sometimes the 1st sentence says the opposite of what you're saying.
Right.
What happens with the people who are fallacious.
is that they start with,
Of course you're wrong.
There's no way you could be correct.
So then when you give them the information,
we could show them any source material,
we could show them any analysis.
One of the things we talk about for for when people go, uh,
racism is this, this, this, this, and this.
And we bring up the the ASA.
Shout out to you.
The ASA, right?
and say, hey, uh, the
soci- the American Sociological Association has
outright said that racism is systemic.
Like, that's what it is.
And we can have a thing of like, hey, you
can look at their paper, you can look at their analysis.
True?
A, all right, all right.
But you can you can look at their analysis.
You can look at their their paper, you can look at anything you want to look at.
But they're qualified to make that assessment,
and they have information behind it to back it up.
So,
But if you're if you're stuck on, of course, that's not true, then you have
to say things like, well, the ASA is left leaning.
May name someone in the ASA, but go ahead.
Super solid.
No, hey, here's the thing.
So I am a card.
I am now a card carrying member of the ASA.
But the way it works is you have a kind
of a, uh, administrative body,
like a governing body.
Like there's a chair, or there's like a,
uh, uh, what's it, what's it called?
When you have a chair panel, chair people.
A board.
A board.
There's a board.
So you, you
can't just get no riffraff off.
You know, does that make sense?
Yeah.
Um, but I guarantee you nobody could
name any of the board members.
But I bet you they came up with CRT, though.
No.
No, of course not.
They didn't do that.
But you see what I mean?
It's just a grasp at straws to say, this disagrees with me.
so it has to be fake.
Has to be wrong.
Like this right here disagrees with me.
I don't think that wood is flammable.
Well, here comes some fire and some wood.
Look at it catch on fire.
That's a magic trick.
You tricking me.
That's what it is.
Like straight up.
Yeah.
I think the biggest takeaway here is.
I know we only touched on modal
talk for a little bit, but it's just because there's not ton to be said.
But when engaging with this, with the
old faithful, right?
The people that engage with it are coming
from a place of just starting with
the conclusion and and swinging away at
everything that they that disagrees with them.
Not analyzing it, not engaging with it at all.
water boxing.
Yeah, 100%.
And so for for us,
and it's not that they're unintelligent and when, even though in a lot of cases.
It's more that they have this
connection to this unsubstantiated
conclusion and an aversion to
wanting to do any analysis for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a.
You're absolutely right.
You are absolutely right.
There's a, there's just.
The pool of opposition is stuck.
Um, in their conclusion
and will absolutely never be able
to reach because they don't have the tools.
They don't, they don't, they don't have the building blocks
necessary to actually do any analysis in the 1st place.
All they know is that I saw Black
people on TV.
You know, I heard a Gucci Mane album or
some shit, you know what I mean?
Um, Or some right
wing influencer told me that this is how black people
are, right?
They they don't actually have the foundation.
That's why when they come up and I'll say something like, uh, well, what makes
you think that around?
And I'll say, what makes you think black people can't be racist?
And I'll say, um, racial stratification.
What is that?
Would.
Explain?
You want me to explain this?
You came here to debate me on this and you
want me to now explain what we're debating?
I brought my, uh, my trapper keeper
and my Lisa Frank
notebook, and I'm ready to take notes.
Yeah, like, well, there's it, go to a class.
Go to a class for that.
I literally have a class on the Patreon.
Go watch the class.
Pay $5, become a subscriber.
Go watch the class.
Absolutely.
Yeah, like, in what atmosphere do you
walk in to, uh, and be like, uh,
no, the hot pot news is
not, the, the long, what, what is the high
pot news, the longest side of the triangle?
Is that what they're gonna happen?
Who knows?
Who knows?
Like a high pi nuisance.
But I do the one thing, this teacher is wrong about
what the hypotenuse is.
That's why I know.
Why?
Because he's black.
I think, yo, you know what?
Let's end there.
That that says it all.
You wrong?
Because you're black.
That's it.
That's it, bro.
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