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Welcome to the Honor Roll, part of ServiceNow University. The Honor Roll brings you the stories of ServiceNow learners who have transitioned and advanced their careers with ServiceNow University. Listen and be inspired to take the next step in your ServiceNow career.
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Sometimes the moment that changes your
direction doesn't feel inspiring.
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When it happens,
sometimes it feels uncomfortable or even
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embarrassing.
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And from Luna,
it was an interview that didn't go the
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way she hoped.
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After nearly 20 years in the military,
it forced her to confront a difficult
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question about readiness transition and
what it would actually take to build a
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path as a civilian.
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But instead of walking away from that
moment, she used it as momentum.
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Hi,
I'm Jasmine Coleman and this is the Honor
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Roll Podcast.
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Today I'm joined by Muna Hassanzi,
and we're talking about resilience,
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preparation,
and what can happen when you refuse to
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let one difficult moment define your
future.
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Hi, Muna, how are you?
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I'm doing great.
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Thank you so much for that wonderful
introduction.
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Well, thank you so much for being here.
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I'm very excited about your story in
particular.
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I don't want to jump the gun.
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I definitely want people to hear in your
own words, and so I'll jump right in.
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Just explaining to us a little bit about
your background,
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what you were doing before ServiceNow and
what your career looked like.
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Yes, I joined the military 2005.
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I was going to say 20 something,
but like 2005.
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So I spent the last two decades in the
Army primarily doing healthcare training
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and employee relations.
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So some program management,
a lot of different tasks,
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different jobs over the years.
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So very different than anything technical
or ServiceNow, definitely.
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And with that background and especially
so many years in the military,
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what did you think transitioning into
civilian work would look look like?
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Did you have intentions of staying within
the same sort of fields,
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especially within healthcare?
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I did get my bachelor's degree in
healthcare administration.
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I think very early on.
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My intent was to transition into
healthcare on the civilian side once I
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got out, as time went on,
I wanted to really solve some more
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technical problems versus, you know,
people problems.
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Healthcare is such a one it it's such a
great organization,
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but you're dealing with humans and
sometimes in their worst conditions,
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right?
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So even in the administration side of it,
it is very it can it, it,
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it's a very emotionally driven business,
right?
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So tech is a little bit different,
definitely, for sure.
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And so you already had those intentions
of moving into maybe something a little
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bit more technical,
or at least it was a curiosity for you.
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And so kind of walk me through what that
looks like kind of beating up to your
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transition from being in the military to
a civilian and just how prepared you felt
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at that point to move into,
into civilian work.
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I don't know if you could say prepared.
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I don't know if anyone's really fully
prepared.
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I think you assess what all the
requirements are.
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You know that in in the military,
we have a, a transition plan, right?
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So there's all these checkmarks of things
that you should do, you know,
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prepare your finances,
decide where you're going to live, all,
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all of all of those things.
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And I think for the most part I felt
prepared,
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but there was still a lot of unanswered
questions on how that would actually be
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like.
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So what else would you say were some of
the experiences or just the skill sets
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that you had within the military that you
think really helps you transition into
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the civilian world and made you feel more
prepared for that transition?
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I would have to say that the military
builds a lot of resilience, right?
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It teaches you how to truly overcome
certain challenges or obstacles and 11
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particular instance in the military,
you're normally given an assignment.
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It's not often that you have to apply or
interview for a position.
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They're out there, but it's not as common.
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So while working as an instructor,
I had an opportunity to interview for a
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training developer position and I did the
interview.
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I was really confident in knowing,
you know,
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different learning methods and
instruction material and how to train
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other instructors since I was working as
a senior instructor at the time.
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But the interview did was not surrounding
training and development.
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And as soon as I went in there,
I think right afterwards,
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he went into straight technical medical
questions.
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It was like tracer trace a blood trace a
drop of the blood from the heart go.
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And while I knew the answer,
I was just I don't know.
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I was just taken completely aback by this
question that I was not prepared for or
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you know, was not expecting,
I should say right.
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And so they interviewed after that when
very bad,
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I did not do well and I knew that
performance was not very good.
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So after the interview,
after I went back home and sat with that
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very uncomfortable feeling of what did I
just do?
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I had enough courage to just say, OK,
you know what?
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I did not do my best.
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And I,
it really bothered me that that was the
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last like performance or the last moment
or what, what, what, you know,
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when he sees me,
he would think of me in that kind of way.
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So I was just like, no,
I can't let this go.
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And so I went back to him and I was like,
hey, SAR major,
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I know I did not do a really good job,
but I would love another opportunity to
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to try again for that interview.
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Even if I don't get the position,
at least, you know,
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consider be for future roles.
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And I was not expecting that he would
allow me to do the interview again,
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much less get the position afterwards.
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So I did that interview,
I got the position and it was a very,
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very valuable lesson for me.
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And one thing that I learned was,
you know,
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that had to close your own doors, right?
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So not to anticipate a no before you've
even asked, right?
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So when you are in a situation where it
seems like you've done poorly, you know,
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it it you want to sit in that and tell
yourself, oh, I failed, I failed,
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you know, but really you didn't fail.
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It was a learning moment.
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That was a moment to teach me not to
anticipate, you know,
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every single question to know that
interviews may vary,
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to know that they might go very technical,
they might go, you know, very behavioral,
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however they might start So just not to
anticipate just to kind of be more
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prepared overall.
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And as a result,
that's what I did when I was getting out.
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I was like, I, I,
I have a feeling that my performance
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shouldn't go in there where I'm just
staring straight at my interviewer
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projecting, you know, confidence of a, a,
a, a, a soldier, right?
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So I decided to utilize Kinder Full to
help me prepare for that interview
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process.
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So that's one thing that I will always
take away from the military is really
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just knowing to not give up and to keep
pushing and to not let your last moment
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of failure be a defining moment and treat
it as a learning lesson and hopefully
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improve on it for the next time.
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Definitely.
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Yeah.
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And something that you said that was
really that really stood out to me is a
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line about courage.
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I think a lot of people don't realize the
amount of bravery you have to have to
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kind of pivot from a moment that would
look otherwise like failure and use it as
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a learning lesson and sort of like the
step up that you need to actually build
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and create the life that you want.
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Because I think a lot of people would
have taken that experience personally and
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pulled back from that.
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So I mean,
you did mention resources like hand or
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fold.
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Do you have any other resources that you
think were really instrumental for you as
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far as strengthening the skill set that
you needed once you were making this very
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big transition into a new career and just
really a new lifestyle overall?
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I think that sometimes when I hear about
tech, people always say, you know,
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it's really about your network and all
who you know and all of this stuff.
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And so you kind of feel like tech is like
a secret club, right,
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that people want to kind of get into you.
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But my experience,
I think the rise up program, right?
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So I heard about rise up from another
rise up student.
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So one of my former Co workers did their
spouse did the program and then they did
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the program.
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And so just seeing that success was like,
oh, OK, you know, maybe I can do it too,
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right.
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So that was definitely one of the key
indicators of success in in my program.
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And in fact, even the,
the job that I currently work now,
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it was it came from a referral from
another rise up student that I knew or
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work with before as well.
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So I think that utilizing the resources
that are already within the community,
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you don't necessarily have to have to
transition and just, you know, oh,
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I got to know everything.
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Just be inquisitive and be the kind of
person that other people want to work
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with, right?
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I think that's really the biggest take
away that I got from that definitely.
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And I love that you're highlighting to
the,
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it's not just like the community part,
right?
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It's also that preparedness that you're
talking about.
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And being prepared doesn't come from just
one lane of doing something.
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It comes from attacking something from
all different angles and being like, OK,
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well, I have the community over here,
but I also have built this skill set.
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I kind of know what to expect or what
they're looking for in this type of
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environment when it comes to the tech
world, if it's technical or non-technical,
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I've built up the skills on both sides of
those things to kind of just be as ready
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for those questions as possible.
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So I mean,
obviously that has made you very
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successful in your career and just your
transition overall.
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But I,
I'm really curious to know kind of what
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was the moment where you started
realizing that beyond the preparedness
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that you were someone who can actually do
this, you know,
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when did things start feeling real for
you instead of just theoretical or
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something that you were studying?
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I think during the capstone of our
project, right?
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So really seeing OK,
everything that I've learned,
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I'm now doing.
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So I think that was the first big moment
where it just it went from a theoretical
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situation to in real life,
this is this makes sense.
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And then the second one is during my
first job, right?
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So the job that I currently work at,
every time that something comes up,
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I'm like, oh man, you know,
you feel prepared or you the the dots
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from what you learned now start to
connect, right.
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So one example is I was gathering
requirements.
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And so learning requirements gathering in
a class can seem very abstract, like, OK,
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how does that really work?
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But then when you start doing it,
you're like, oh, OK,
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and now I see what a vague requirement
looks like.
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OK, so, so that, that is something that I,
I've really enjoyed definitely.
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And I mean, how,
how does your life look different can now
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compared to that period of time where you
were just a student or you were still in
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the military?
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What are you currently up to for the
folks at home who don't know,
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who are not familiar with with you and
kind of just your transition overall,
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what are you currently up to and what are
you most proud of looking back on your
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transition overall?
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So I'm currently,
I am a senior consultant and my
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functional title is a service now a
business analyst.
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Life looks very different, right?
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I get to work from home.
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That's number one.
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I get to work from home.
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So that is very different.
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I haven't,
I haven't had an opportunity to do that
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since like COVID, right?
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And So what am I most proud of?
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I think I am most proud of myself for not
giving up.
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When I took the course about four weeks
after I had started, it was going great.
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About four weeks after I started,
my mother got ill and she was watching my
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my children at the time.
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I have two kids under 2 and so it was a
challenge, right?
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And I wanted so badly to be like,
I should just put this off and I should
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try to do the training at a later date or
whatever.
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But unfortunately the the the great thing
about the military is that you know that
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do not quit right attitude.
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So I was just like,
I don't this is really hard,
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but I'm going to keep doing it.
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And so now to be in this position where
I'm employed and working,
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it's like I'm so very proud that I am
grateful that I did not give up,
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that I did not delay it,
that I did not push it back.
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And then I kind of work through that very
difficult time.
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Yeah, definitely.
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You know,
and I think that's something that a lot
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of people can relate to.
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We all have these experience these or
these obstacles, these challenges,
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whether it's like within our personal
life,
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it is in our professional life that we
feel like, OK, well, sure,
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I have this dream or this goal of
accomplishing XYZ,
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but it's not the right time, right?
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You're talking about your mother was ill.
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You have children to take care of.
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Life doesn't stop during these moments
when we're trying to accomplish our goals.
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So what would you say to someone who
either feels discouraged because of a set
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back similar to what you experienced or
even if it's just like they don't feel
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like they can take that next leap because
life keeps getting in the way?
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I would say that failure is not
necessarily doing something wrong or
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having to stop.
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Failure is after it comes after you've
given up, right?
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So if you encounter a challenge, right,
I think that no one can say for, you know,
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everybody's situation,
Some situations do call that it has to be
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paused.
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Some some situations do call that it has
to be delayed.
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But delayed does not mean denied.
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And taking a pause does not have to be
never accomplishing something.
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So just to continue to make it your goal
and to not give up on that desire.
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Every, every time that I think about it,
I think about, there's this story.
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I'm probably paraphrasing,
but I was a gentleman who bought a land
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during the gold rush, right?
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And he was digging for gold,
digging for gold,
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kept digging for gold and just did not
strike it.
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So after years of doing that,
he sold his land.
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And guess what?
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The person who bought the land dug a
little deeper and they strike the gold.
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So I always tell myself,
don't stop before you strike your gold,
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right?
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Don't stop before you strike your gold.
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So it it might sound easier said than
done,
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but digging deeper is not necessarily
easy,
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but it is so worth it once you strike
your gold for sure.
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And I think I mean when you seem like
someone who would have been successful in
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struck gold regardless.
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But I think that this is just a really
powerful example and reminder that
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setbacks aren't always your sign to stop.
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You know,
I think that if you would have let
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yourself be defeated in that moment,
then what ended up being like the end of
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one story could have have become the
beginning of something completely
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different.
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And so sometimes we just need those
reminders that certain moments that show
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us what we still need to build,
they are meant to be exactly that,
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building moments and not anything that
should discourage us from reaching our
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goal.
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So thank you so much for being here,
for telling your story and for being an
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inspiration to so many people and for
also serving our country.
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My honor is my honor.
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Thank you, of course,
and thank you all for listening.
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I'm Jasmine Coleman,
This is the Honor Roll podcast and we'll
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see you next time.
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Bye.