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A conversation about cars, trucks, tugs and other machines of transport that flows like an ADHD fever dream, hosted by Hoonigan co-founder and 321 Action Action director Brian Scotto. Enjoy, it’s gonna be a bizarre ride.
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[00:00:00] Introduction
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Welcome. Welcome to the first ever episode of Very Vehicular the show about cars with a mixed formula. We're gonna try something different. It might just be me. It might be me and two others. It might be me and three others. You never know what you're gonna get. This is gonna be the test form for a lot of other things we do moving forward.
If you don't know much about me, a quick little background. I started in the print industry. I ran a magazine called Zero to 60. I also did a magazine called Rides and Donk Box and Bubble. For those who know, towards the end of my stint in magazines, I met a guy from the skateboard world named Ken Block.
We did these videos, you might have seen them. And then we started this small little company called Hoonigan. And today's guest, you probably know best from that little company. Ron Zaras and Vin Anatra are here, the Ballastt Boys reunited. If you watched our content on Hoonigan, you'll know that I got into a lot of crazy adventures with these two boys.
First up is Ron. Ron Zaras worked with me at zero to 60 Magazine back in the day. He was my intern. He then came with me to work on Ken Block's team when it was still Monster World Rally. He spent a long time there and then eventually joined me at Hoonigan. Ron, aside from now being a Pikes Peak record holder is starting a new rally company.
Plenty of that to dive into. Second guest, Vin was actually a guy who I met way back in the day when I was running a Volkswagen Audi car club called AutoKrieg. At events, he was a little BMX kid who would come out to the events. Eventually, there was an opportunity for him to come join Hoonigan, and he became one of the big personalities at the brand on camera.
And I couldn't think of two better people to help kick this off. Mostly because we are completely unfiltered and honest with each other. Lot of great attitude and chemistry with this bunch. We get into a lot of really fun topics, and if you want even more, we have a Patreon for that too. So go check it out.
So let's get into it. But first a word from our partners and hold on, before you scrub ahead. These are the good partners. These are people who have supported me through multiple chapters of my life, and they are, they're one of us. They're car guys. They're good brands. So take a listen.
[00:02:08] Sponsor: Vyper Industrial
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Alright folks. So this first season of Very Vehicular is brought to you by our good friends at Vyper Industrial.
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[00:02:54] Sponsor: Toyo Tires
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[00:03:26] Sponsor: Heatwave Visual
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[00:04:16] Welcome & Catching Up
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All right boys. Welcome to very vehicular. I'm so happy that we can start this off with, uh, the OG Ballast crew. Man, we're honored. We really are. Really? Yeah. Yeah. You cleaned your garage for us. I kind of actually thought that you or guys would be the only people who would have the patience to deal with the bullshit it would take to come and record an episode.
Me? No, but like, yeah, zero Patience. You have zero patience. You would literally have zero chill, but you
tolerate me for whatever reason. Yeah. I think the, the problem is, is that most guests that will come on, a lot of them don't know what they're getting into. Yeah, right. So they go in, they're excited, they're like, oh, I'm gonna do a podcast with Scotto.
And then hour seven, they're like. Ooh. Oh God. He's only as best. This starts raining down from the popcorn. Like he's only on po.
The postcard one
index card one flips around on hour three. Meanwhile, like we know we go into this knowing,
but you know, it's the knowing. 'cause I do think that to somehow a good percentage of the automotive population I present as like a functioning human being.
Yeah. But you guys know that I'm not. But it's okay. 'cause none of us are. So that's how we commiserate. Yeah. So what's, uh, what's new? Because, uh, we're gonna pretend like we don't talk to each other every day because do you guys get this, do you guys get like, from whatever you wanna call 'em, the audience? I always think it's weird to call people fans, but like, you know, from the viewers, do you get people being like, man, do you still see Scotto?
Do you still, like, do you get that? Because people all the time are like, do you still see Vin? Do you still see Ron? They
live in the same neighborhood as me. See, I don't think I get that because, um, because of YouTube, like, you guys are on the channel enough. Mm-hmm. Which isn't even that often, but you know, to the audience, like, they see us in an episode together, they're like, oh, you guys hang out.
Yeah. Or Ron in an episode, and they're like, oh yeah, things are just normal. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, no, I haven't seen Brian since that episode, which was like three months ago. But, oh, no way. The
world,
according to
you, the only reason I saw Brian, uh, anytime in the last couple weeks. Do you This was precious.
No, go ahead. Go ahead. Just
out me. We're, we're not even two minutes in. Just go, go ahead.
This was so precious. Peak male companionship. I don't wanna
[00:06:21] The Rabbit Tow Story
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look. Okay. It, it happens to all of us. It happens to me. Something happened with the rabbit, you know, it's an older car. Things happen. So it's, Scott hits up the group chat on a text and he is like, Hey, can anyone give me a tow?
And, uh, to oh, out of town. Uh, Tony's like, I'm in Seattle. Not that Tony was gonna show up anyway. Yeah, yeah. Um, you were doing some stuff and I was like, yeah, I got the gx. You know, I'm gonna go buy a tow rope. Why not have an excuse? And then next
thing I know, let's also be honest. You need a side quest. It was the middle of the day.
Absolutely. You probably was sitting in front of the computer for six hours. I was procrastinating something. Honestly. That's
a, that's like a, you just ate lunch, you're bored. Yeah. Like, it's either sit on your computer or like go do this random mission. It's kind of sick. A hundred percent and it's within the bubble.
It's like, you know, there could only be max. 15 minutes of traffic to get to Brian's house. So it's not like That's true. It's not a big mission. It's a little snackable mission. You
think it's not a big mission because it's like, oh, okay. The car's only a couple blocks from Brian's house. Uh, easy. I show up, I hook up the tow rope, bring him to his house.
Done. We have a nice little conversation. Yeah. Maybe a coffee. No, absolutely not. I show up and I pull up with the rope ready to go, D-rings ready, everything. And then we start looking at it and it's like, oh, there's no tow point. Yeah. Put euro bumpers
on. They don't have a tow hook because it like tow hooks aren't cool to Volkswagen guys.
Yeah, I know. That's something you, you gotta shave it. You gotta shave tow
hook. I don't know if you ever get this feeling, but when you hang out with Brian, uh, there's this like feeling that you get sometimes where, you know, you're at the beginning of an adventure that you didn't necessarily sign up for.
So because we couldn't find a tow point because it had a Euro bumper. He's like, well, we might as well just try and fix it. You know what you just got yourself
into at that moment, at that very, you know what that is? Moment. A yo text.
You got yourself, you got yourself into, you got yo,
for you guys out there who that don't know Yeah.
The, the start of what could be a multiple hour conversation.
Yeah.
Starts with two things from Brian and it's yo. Nothing else. No punctuation. Zero. Or do you have a minute?
Do you have a minute? Do you have a minute? Can be like a random idea or a life career changing opportunity. Yeah. A minute. In what universe?
Like in some other far distant galaxy, the time slows down so much that, that is a Brian Scotto minute. I don't know
if he does this to you though, because sometimes he'll be like, yo, do you have an honest 10?
Yeah,
yeah, yeah. An honest 10 always. Which is, which most dishonest thing ever ends up being a 45.
Because Brian, we, uh, every time we talk, we have like a, we have like a cool down process that's like a, like a nineties turbo timer, you know, like, like we're getting off the phone and you have so many of the like, all right,
well, um, oh dude, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sitting there idling.
You're down and like,
I don't know what's cooling down. Everything is ambient. The turbos chill. But you're still like,
you didn't even, you didn't even do a pull. You didn't even do a pull, but you gotta cool down.
Uh, so anyway, you get there, there's no tow hook provision. The car's just
straight up not working.
There's no tow hook provision. We go to AutoZone, we try and get a bunch of stuff. Nothing's working. So I'm like, why don't we just push it like it's light, it's light enough. So the next thing I know, Scotto and I are, you know, in our, you know, I'm in my late thirties. You're in your, I'm in my mid forties.
Two dudes just pushing the car, having a conversation on road, having a conversation, just chatting,
just taking the car for a walk. The sick. That's kind of sick. The walk was nice. It was a really nice day. It was nice. And the, it has like very little resistance, so we were just walking with our hands on it.
We were pretty surprised. Yeah.
And like you get juiced because you're like, oh, the car pushes super easy. Oh, we got this.
I like taking your car for a walk is a pretty nice thing. Because I think like for guys, like there's a, there's like a big hurdle in hanging out, you know? Yeah. Like guys need something to do.
Yeah. Because like if we were just to sit around like this right here, right? Yeah. We're literally doing nothing, but we're making content. But it's a mission. And if we were just hanging out, talking like there's super high risk of like just like making out or something.
True, true, true. You never know, like if we're just doing nothing.
But if you have a car between you, it makes it a little bit harder for, you're like, oh, now we're just like, we're
pushing a car. It's the barrier. That's why there's barrier's. A table in this podcast barrier. We're taking a car for a walk. That's why I put the table here. Yeah,
it's
good.
It's good.
So
you took your car for a walk.
So we took a car for a walk. It was sweet. It was a stroll. Now this is the question. Everyone out there wants to know. Did you fix it? No.
No, actually, actually,
of course not. No. But I've
been on like a pretty good run of like my cars running Uhhuh.
Yeah.
Tell
us
about
it.
No, come on. I have been recently and in, you've also
been on the most,
you just told me the
church fan in broken in one.
In
one week, three cars stopped working. So the alternator went on the Mexican B one 50. The, I think the coil pack or the coil went on the rabbit and I have no idea what's wrong with the van. I went to go start it one morning just because
you built a race van. That's true. You built a racing econ line.
Big shout out to Jane K Engines. Now I, kidding me. A ridiculous, ridiculous engine for a fan with whistle turbo.
Now I want to know if you've solved the other simplest mechanical problem, but probably most difficult to figure out problem with one of your cars. And it's a very scout problem. Do we know what it is?
I, bro, there's 25 cars, like can't even begin to guess.
Have you found a way to get a key for your RS2? Oh,
no, no. I found the key. Oh, okay. Where was that? She found the key. It was in her car. I didn't even know about this. Yeah, I lost the RS2 key. He lost the only key. So you
have one RS2 key.
Yeah.
Yeah. And apparent. Yeah. So, man, I didn't, this is not, we always hit the first line of the notes, guys.
Alright, let's skip, let's go to the notes. No, no, no. So,
so to back it up, I, I want to finish out the rabbit and then I'll get to that. The funniest part about it's, I get home and I get texted by a friend of the neighborhood and some woman.
Was filming the two of us pushing the rabbit. I saw it. And the line was something like the, like the last of a dying breed. Yeah. And I don't know if she was talking about the rabbit or us, or us, like just two guys
walking, just pushing. I, I took it and, and maybe this is just me being hopeful, but I took it as, you know, she was proud of just two friends pushing the car down that road.
Yeah. You
know, because now people are so minimal nonsense that they're just like, have to buy a new car. Yeah. Right. They can't deal with the
pain. I'll just get a subscription to a three series or something. Yeah. I just, yeah. I want to Tesla.
Or they would do something pragmatic like call aaa. Yeah. Oh God.
On us, we, the car home was the
nostalgia of pushing the car home. Your friends. It was nice. It was fun.
Yeah. The only reason you use AAA tow is when your car breaks at the track.
Yeah. Duh. But you know, you know what, Brian is probably like a little bummed. About how long has it been since you flat towed a car?
Oh God. Because that's, that's peak nostalgia. So we tried to flat tow the car, but obviously didn't have a tow hook. Yeah. So then I tried to do like the race car thing where you like, hold the strap out the window. No way. Yeah, we did, but what,
what is your shoulder? Okay. I realized that like, I've done it almost before.
I've
done it before. And when you do it in a race car, you hold it against the a pillar. You, you know, the roll cage? You push the strap against the a pillar roll cage. Yeah. And that will pull it forward. Um, but I was just trying to do it with my arm and like, he's, he's, and I'm like,
oh no, I just imagined like a cartoon skit of Ron driving away with your limb.
That's to the
skeleton. I just idle the way in here. Look. Stop, stop. No, the
thing is in my head because at one point I'm like, there's no way I can do this. I have to let go. But then I just envisioned the, the tow hook, like grabbing like the hood on those swallow. Yeah. And just like ripping, like just peeling back the whole front of the car.
Like a sardine cam just doing hilarious maximum damage. Like, stop. And he's like, you got, I'm like, no, stop. Stop.
Jesus was shocked that that didn't work. You know that a human arm couldn, pull, whatever, that's two
thousands period. Correct. For the seventies of like kids doing nonsense. Mm-hmm. Because like in no world is that gonna work.
But your brain went, we did roll. No, we
rolled, we got it like five feet. Oh great. But then he like, he started to push like pushing a little bit and I was like, this is gonna tear my arm right out of my, my rotator. I'm too embarrassed
to tell the doctor, the shoulder doctor what
happened. I already have two bad knees.
It's like I need my shoulders anyway, boys. So, all right, look, today's show is the pilot, a very vehicular, and I'm calling this the pilot, the pilots. So we're gonna do three different shows in one show because of course you guys love the You're such a maximalist.
Okay, so first up, we're just gonna do like as a standard kind of modern day podcast format, which is banter and bullshit. We've been doing that already. We'll keep that going. But there are a few topics I wanna touch on. Second, we're gonna try out a listing idea I have called Firing Order, and I think I told you guys already what the concept is.
We're gonna talk about our favorite. Hoonigan builds. We were involved with, we could do ba best, worst, whatever. We're gonna try to make that into a list of three. And then lastly, um, we're gonna play a surprise game of a good cop, bad cop. Nice. So we're gonna open up our marketplace and we're gonna share the last three cars we all saved with each other.
Oh
boy. Uh, I don't save anything on Marketplace. Yeah. I don't really save much, but what, I don't even know where you look at your saved but
marketplace, I save Not saved, but I never look at it after the fact. Yeah. I don't think that's even better. Well then you guys could just judge mine or, I mean, honestly, I text myself that's more fun because,
you know, me and Ron's will be like on the realm of Cool.
Like, yours is gonna be like super wacky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or yours will just be like, you'll be like, here's the eighth Raptor I'm gonna own. Yeah. It's like something
lame that's like, you know, practical.
Alright. Uh, good point. Yeah. So what's, what's been New Boys?
[00:16:11] Post-Hoonigan Life & Cars
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Halfway Horse noise, half winning. Uh, I watch Curbed a lot, especially when I fly. I just, I just binge watch seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm And apparently that's called a a Winnie A Winnie a Winnie a Winnie.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just say horse noise. Both work. Both work. What's new? I don't know.
You know, we're trying to figure out this, this post tuning Negan life,
those people. Yeah. Post tuning again. Life's weird.
Yeah, it is weird. It's a, it's a strange place. Uh, and like when you have a change that big. You, you try a bunch of weird stuff and different stuff and it's just like something stick.
Some things don't and it's cool. Like last year was, was crazy. Like it was a wild year. The most driving I've ever gotten done in a year, uh, Vinny and I competed in SRO professional racing series is the most unprofessional dudes humanly possible. Making you set, you set an EV record at Pikes Peak? I did.
Yeah, I did. I did. Pikes Peak. Thank you boys. Thank you. Thank you. Which still stands to this day because nevermind that it was half so ever taken the fact that no one else
competed in that class. Update your Wikipedia two year running record holder Pikes speed. Yeah, a
hundred percent. I I still keep it in my profile 'cause Vin made so much fun of me.
He was like, bro, you don't talk about it at all. And so I put it in my No, you made like one reel. No, I made five reels, which is five more than I've made in the past three years. So, um, so yeah, we did a bunch of that. We tried a thing called, uh, Drivers Era together. Well, we did a thing called Drivers Era together.
Uh, kicked that off. And then, uh, probably like two months ago, uh, Vin went full on, on driver's era full, full, like your YouTube jam type thing. And I'm moving on to like a little bit of the roots, going back to my roots of, of rally car stuff. So got some, got some things going there. So new brand in the works, new brand in the works.
Can you talk about that? Yeah. Or is it still top secret? Yeah. What's it called? I mean, it's, it's in the idea phase, which you know very well. I love the
idea, the idea phase is where almost everything I'm doing is right now. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, not just idea. I mean, I have some samples coming and I have a trip coming up that's like, uh.
I don't know. I, you can't call it a kickoff tour. But anyway, stepping back, um, yeah, I, I did like 15 years of my career was rally car stuff. Mm-hmm. Right? Like following Ken around WRC, American Rally Association. I did stuff at zero to 60, you know, so, uh, I really miss that and I love that scene and I, I just genuinely love rally cars.
And I think,
and you loved rally cars when I met you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you applied for the internship at zero 60, I think one of the reasons you flowed to the top is because everyone else was like, either like a Formula One or a sports car fan. Yeah. And you liked Rally, which was something I liked and I was like, oh, all right.
This go Absolutely gets it.
Yeah. I mean, you know, uh, my parents are from Poland and, you know, when we moved to the US everybody was into like, football, baseball, whatever. It's like, no, I, I grew up with boxing and rally and I didn't wanna get punched in the face. Uh, so it, it was rally cars for me. So you just get punched in the gut.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the wallet. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. Uh, the working name for the company is Anti Lag. Because that's easily the coolest thing about rally cars and For sure. Uh, I, I just feel like great name too. Thank you. Thank you. It's kind of amazing that it isn't already a name. Uh, there, there's a forum.
Yeah, yeah. In Australia. But yeah, the, as a, as a company name, like the fact that I was able to get a URL and all that, like, yeah.
Crazy. And like, I think anti lag recently has become more commonplace for people because with modern ECUs you have like, you know for sure like fake anti lag or anti lag adjustment or whatever.
And that's one of
those things too, like there's not a ton of knowledge out there on like the differences. Like a lot of people think anti lag is, you know, you press that button on the steering wheel when you're doing a highway pull, whatever. That's kind of, but not really. That's not rally style. Anyway, I was just gonna say, does that annoy you that, like, why don't you
explain to the, why don't you explain to the listeners what real anti lag is and how it works.
Yeah. Real rally style anti lag is combustion that happens beyond the piston in your exhaust manifold to spin the turbo. When you let off throttle, like all the different anti lags of like no lift shift or like a two step whatever everybody calls those anti lag, I guess it kind of works 'cause it's, you know, spooling up the turbo.
But true rally style anti lag, you have a post chamber air intake, you have little ducks welded into your exhaust manifold that then fuel goes past the cylinder. It explodes in your manifold, spins the turbo up, and you keep your turbo on boost all the time.
I can't imagine developing or engineering something that is more violent and vicious to the internals of an engine than that.
Yeah. You know, you know what's
cool about that is, uh, I don't know if the Lancia has it, but the, the Evo five and six have proper fresh air injection. Mm-hmm Anti lag in the exhaust manifold, which is from the factory, so sick from the factory and you
literally just like one toggle on the ECU and you put it back on.
Yeah, yeah. It's dope And all like Evo nines, the JDM and the true euro ones, they all have that too. They have the servo and everything. They just didn't give it to the US 'cause they knew everybody was gonna be two stepping all over the place. But anyway, although I
do remember, uh, when the Evo eight came out and it had factory two step was like the coolest thing in the world.
It really was. And it
was so good. It was like a,
it wasn't a slow one. Yeah. It was sick. It was like really aggressive. We used just two step Tony Chan's car all through the story. Oh yeah. Everywhere. Oh yeah. Option two
sticker on the back bumper, hard bushing, everything. Yeah. So sick.
So he had, he bought, you know, he bought that car off of Bootleg Option Two stickers.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We might have
to bleep his name, but yeah.
Nah, there's enough Tony Chance in the world. Yeah. I think that's beyond a statute of limitations of bootleg Stickering. So I don't know. I, I felt like, you know. And maybe this is a conversation point for a different pod, but when we all got into cars, it wasn't like the cool thing to be into.
Everybody wasn't into it. It was a pretty niche thing and it was hard to be into cars. Now everybody, like the most regular people I talk to are into F1, and they know the drivers and they know the cars and the teams. I'm like, man, this is sick. And not a lot of people know about Rally and what's going on there.
And the stories behind it are absolutely bananas. Like you'll go to Goodwood and you'll see a historic Delta Integrale and you see a fire, um, like a, a fire bottle in the footwell. But it's the original Noss bottle, fire bottle. Mm-hmm. That they used to do. Because back then after tech inspection they would replace the fire bottle with nitrous so they get a little, you know, extra boost.
Yeah. And you already had fuel in your roll cage, so where all could you put it? So if your car set on fire, you're kind of shit outta luck. But you had nitrous and you won. So there's so many different stories. It's crazy. It's such a adventurous motors sport and I wanna share some of my experience with it and just bring that world to the modern car world through storytelling, through trips, through talking to people.
So, awesome. That's, I'm, yeah, it's cool kicking off, you gotta
do what you're passionate about, you know? That's absolutely Feel like rally is really where
your, your heart
is. So it's
like
that's great.
A hundred percent.
It's always, I mean you have always been sort of the rally guy in the group, even though I like rally You were more rally.
Mm-hmm You were like further deep in it, you to buy rally. And it's funny you have, oh God. Well it's funny 'cause Hert was like talking to me at one point. He's like, why doesn't Ron just do more rally stuff like that feels like probably money, a section A, you know, you just 100% like
you need, like drifting is a consumable stupid hobby rally.
Probably worse. The whole car is a consumable
drifting is like tires, brakes and like a bumper
here and there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To clarify, he meant on the content side.
Oh. Like from a brand side, like why don't
you do more about rally? 'cause that's like such your thing. So now you are doing that.
So, and not, not to go super deep into that, but I was really, really, really excited because.
Uh, you know, I spent so much time on the road with Ken surrounded by Rally everything, and when I came to Hoonigan in 2018, I still have a deep love of drifting. Like I, I, I love that culture. I remember pre YouTube days watching tons of like, you know, 240p drift videos and compilations and all that.
And to be able to step into Southern California, like the US Mecca of all that was so sick. I got the JZX90, like I went to Apple Valley, I did all these things. I loved exploring that part. So you guys saw me in the phase of like getting out of rally for a bit to, you know, dabble in that world. Yeah.
And now
I want to get back in. Yeah, I mean, you were definitely taking rally like a thousand miles an hour to the face with Ken. Dude, it was mainline. I remember those days. I did od I only did it for two years, maybe three years. Yeah, two years. And I, it was, I'm still exhausted from it. Sleep at all. Yeah.
It rally, it was like 13 years ago. That's when the cough developed. Yeah. Like I got the rally cough. Yeah. Like that cough I get when I laugh and I just can't stop coughing. Like I got that on rally. I don't know. It never went away. Like I still have. Bad sleep patterns. And I still eat rally cakes. That's, I have some here.
That's the thing
on, on a rally, when you're in between stages and you're going like, it's a really long, extraneous day. So when you go to a gas station, it's like an oasis. Like you, you waste no time. You get every snack possible. You get the little aioli dips and a bag of chip. You're, you're like crafting your own meals from gas station.
We
could have ran an entire snack show on what we were getting at gas station. Yeah, a hundred percent. 'cause we first of all would try anything. Yeah. Like there was anything was up for grabs. But you also start to learn like, we're probably not gonna get back to service in time to eat. Yep. 'cause they'll have already fed the crew.
So like, is this enough ca caloric intake to get us to four in the morning, which is when we're gonna get to sleep for half an hour. 'cause we, and because then we need to get up and drive to stage. It was trailer park. No reservations.
If I'll say it's a little bit of a Miss Brian. Um, you want it to have like Ballast Boys reunion here on the show and you don't have a single snack.
Oh, after the intermission, man. After
the intermission. Um, I, I wanna rewind on two things. The first thing I wanna rewind on is before you said, um. Like when we got into cars, cars weren't cool.
Yeah.
Right. And I feel like my entire life has been getting into things when they're not cool. Mm. Like when I rode BMX, I rode BMX in the early nineties, it wasn't cool anymore.
Yeah. But you're the type of dude that wants to like, you don't like it once. It's cool. That's what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting at. Like I least you're
bummed when your band
gets on the
radio that 100% like, I like punk rock. And then all of a sudden like punk rock started, like we got pop punk on the radio.
Me, how depressed are you gonna be
when Icon starts doing Mexican B150 builds?
No, it, it's just like, it's one of those things, 'cause like yesterday I went to go see the F1 movie and. It's a really good movie. I really enjoyed it. But it's like you do realize that like this movie couldn't have happened 10 years ago.
Yeah. It happens now because like we are at, in my, at least in my lifetime, I, I think it might have been bigger in the sixties, but this is like, we are in peak automotive. Mm-hmm. Like, like automotive. I think it's, like's never been cooler than it is now. I think it's really cool. Part of it bother you though.
It does. Um, so first off, I'll say, uh, my absolutely lukewarm take on this. Is that F1 fans or not car people F1 fans are sports people. Yeah. Hundred percent. Like a way it's always been that way. Has a car, which is fine, but I'm really excited to see the growth of automotive, um, in every direction. You know, like I think like women in cars is cool.
There's a lot more than there ever was. I think like we did, uh, a deck early days, Hoonigan that featured an article that said like, kids don't care about cars anymore. That has like completely gone. And now it's back to like, kids love cars.
Yeah.
I think a lot of the culture that people are getting into is really shitty.
Yeah. I think a lot of the stuff that people are promoting, like what is bad? Well, one takeover, other, other takeovers, but I'm not even gonna harp on it. Yeah. But I think a lot of the. The, like crappy influencers and content creators that promote stuff, uh, kind of set people in the wrong direction. And you could like spot these people from a mile away.
Yeah. It's, you know, it's like all the, like, flame throwing, you know, burble tune bullshit cars with ugly wraps and stupid wheels that like promote, just like doing a thousand miles an hour in the canyons, or like being like super reckless on the street for clicks and like, that stuff looks cool, but to like impressionable dumb kids, it's like what they think cars are and they get into it for that.
And I think it's all wrong. They're getting steered in the wrong direction, whereas we got into it for a whole different thing now. People are into it for like a visual spectacular like nonsense that I don't think fits a core like automotive demographic. But it's like the stuff that I think will eventually ruin cars for the road because that's the shit that cops don't like and Absolutely.
You know.
Absolutely. The, the thing for me, and I obviously a bit older than you guys, um, which you always point out is that, um, for me, I've been there before where like the tidal wave comes in and then it pulls back out. Yeah. And when it pulls back out, it sucks. Do you know what I'm saying? Because I think we all start to build this industry or everything we do around like how, what the peak feeling is, and then all of a sudden it goes away and like.
All of like all the things that came with it go away. The partnerships, like the audience and also the cool factor. Yeah. Because it literally goes from being super cool to like, oh, you're still into cars. Like I remember that post Fast and Furious era. Yeah, yeah. Where everybody was just making fun of anyone with a tuner car.
But five years previous, everyone thought it was really cool. Yeah. I mean,
you could see it already in that like, uh, in hip hop, I mean everyone was using like nineties JDM cars for a while. Yeah. Yeah. And then now it's sort of like pulled back and it's not happening as much because like, I think it was like really unique and cool for Right.
A couple years and now it's like sort of not, but to hit closer to home, you know, what I watched happen and the wave is I think already pulled back and people are sort of like.
Realizing real life is having too many project cars. Yes. I think during the pandemic was peak YouTube project cars. Everyone went from having one car to having like six tons.
Yeah. Right. And I'm not just talking shit about you, it's out there. No, everyone. And I think it like,
I was 100% and I feel the same way. And yesterday I was talking to Hert And Hert said the same thing. He's like, I think I'm at a realization that I want to have like one or two really good costs. You focused down.
Yeah. So
you, it it went to this thing where like you look at YouTubers and people don't understand the YouTube model. Like they see Adam LZ having 50 cars and they're like, that's the goal. And it's like, no, Adam May want 50 cars because who doesn't? Yeah. But you also need it for content with the volume that they put out.
That's the business model. That's the business model. So then you start thinking like, oh, I should have a drift car, a grip car, a street car, a drag car, and you start doing all this stuff. Quantum wagon, you keep going and then you realize, and this is like everyone across the board is like, it is impossible to like do it all without a staff, you know?
Yeah. Like, it's impossible. You can't do it. And I think that that just the
logistics of parts ordering and maintenance, and then this thing breaks, and then this one's in paint and then this one's gotta get towed. And you're like losing your mind while managing a fleet. And a business and trying to make good content.
Yeah. And trying to have a life. Insane. It's
impossible. Dude. Growing up we had one car. Yes. I mean, I deli my cool cars until I was like in my twenties and I bought like a winter beater. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that was everyone's kind of thing. And if you had a friend Yeah. That had two cool cars, you, what does he do for a living?
The fuck drugs. Definitely. Yeah. Right. But then now it's like insane that it's like, you'll be like, how many cars do you have? Oh, you have six? Oh yeah, I have seven. Oh, how many? Oh, you have 25. Oh, okay. And like everyone does it. Oh, I cut
mine down to five.
I'm down too. I cut down a lot because I'm like, I realize that it's like impossible.
And I think universally, like the people out there have went from owning a ton of cars. Like people just being like, I can't possibly have like Yeah. Hundred percent good cars. You know? So I
[00:32:13] Project Cars & YouTube Reality
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think that wave's come and gone.
Is this an intervention? No, you too. Is this like a podcast turn to like No,
you know it too, you No, I know it.
You
feel it? I definitely feel it. I just have a hard time separating from it. I, I, I would say that there are some cars I bought because it made sense for the brand.
Totally.
Right. Totally. Yeah. But then there's other cars I bought because like I have ADHD and I just get excited about the new part. Yeah.
Like I, I sent this video to Ron the other day and it was so good. And it was just this girl being like, if you want like half of something done, like I'm really good at getting half of something done. I will crush it. I will crush the first half. Yeah. But I, I probably won't do the second half. And like, that's like me for all my projects.
Yeah.
But you, you have a, you have the, the luxury and you've had the luxury from Hoonigan of space. Yeah. Because like for me, even like we share a shop and I'm like, our shop is mad small. It's like I can't get another car 'cause it has nowhere to live, guys. You know? So it's like, it's so easy to just be like, well if I buy another thing that I already can't handle, I now have to figure out another place to put it and store it and pay for And it's not just the car,
it's the, it's the OEM wheels that come off of it.
It's the body parts, it's the spares, it's the everything. Yeah.
You say luxury, you realize I bought an operational farm just to stash my car is at and now I have a farm problem. Like, that's not a video. That's a series of its own.
Yeah. That is literally a series
shed by shed. Yeah.
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[00:35:02] Drivers Era
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How's Drivers Era going? Good. So you guys are separated on this now, so you do kind of both doing your own thing. Yeah. You're doing your thing, you're doing your thing. Yeah. We
still share a shop. Uh, but on Drivers Era it's all Vin.
Yeah. So I mean, uh, I think like equally on like the passionate side. So one for me it's like all I do is YouTube and now the brand and we were gonna do it together and it just kind of was like never quite aligned when it's like someone's like side project and someone's main thing and you know, I got jolly who, you know, I love and adore and needs to make some more money and like we want to do the thing together and like we kind of gotta make it all work.
And honestly like Drivers Era for me is like, I started that brand page as like a car dealership, just like selling the cars that I love and I'm a little bit more like, I don't know, boring, practical, like whatever. But I just like cars from that era that are like pretty frigging fun right out the box and are fun street cars.
I had just gotten back into doing track stuff, but like, I really just love a good frigging streetcar.
Yeah. So like, like a no crazy engine swap. Yeah. Not a ton of motor mods. Just like I'm anti engine
swap now. Absolutely. Anti engine swap. Absolutely. I hate engine swaps. I think they're trash. Yeah, they mostly suck on the street.
Sorry Brian. We could argue about that on a whole different podcast. I get it. But, um, but yeah, so like for me it's just, you know, I wanna make a brand that celebrates the era of cars that I absolutely love. Late nineties to like 2010s. Things that have like everything you need. Nothing you don't, and they're just like fun to drive.
So. And I'm gonna, uh, I already, I just got my dealer license, so I'm finally gonna sell, start buying and selling cars because like to me that's, man, it's like you buy cars and keep 'em forever. Yeah,
yeah, yeah,
yeah. Me, I have, uh, I, I can't keep track, bro. Let me, let me tell you about, I just figured this out, but me, I, I'm okay with experiencing something and moving on.
Mm. So I just realized this 'cause we're making a, a series with my dad's Chevelle, which is his dream car. And growing up my dad never had a cool car, like of his own, he never had a project car. Right. But what he did, he's worked at the same Chevrolet dealership since I was a kid. And he is a, like, he's a parts, uh, parts department manager.
And he gets, um, demo cars. So growing up he'd always have a brand new car for six months and then something else. And they weren't like sick, but some firm were sick. He had like Lumina, Z34s, Beretta GTZs, uh, yo Beretta GTZ Teal with teal wheels. Yeah. Pretty hard. Still to this day goes incredibly hard.
Um, and just like nonsense, you know, like cars like that. Yeah. So I think maybe that sort of changed, like your perception, my idea of like, oh, like new stuff all the time is like fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, a dealer would be sick. 'cause like I've always wanted to own, you know, X, right? Yeah. A 997 turbo.
And it's like, well now maybe I could go out, I could find the coolest. Yeah. Gives example of it, buy it, make some videos about it. And then sell it and be like, okay, I got my kicks. You know?
Because for you, like ownership is like a box check thing. Like I got that. Yeah. And now I'm onto the next. You're like, cool.
Oh, it's not a box
check. As much as it's like,
check
next. Well like, all right, so for example, I idolized my entire childhood, mark four super watching street fire.net videos. Yeah. Of those things, just like doing highway runs. Guess what? No one just lets you drive a mark four. Super. Yeah. So like I wanted to buy one and I'm like, I need to own this.
And then I owned it and I didn't like, it wasn't everything I ever wanted it to be. Maybe the example I bought wasn't, but I was like, okay, that I like finally got to try it, you know? So for me it's like there's all these cars that I've always just like wanted to drive. And now with YouTube I could probably like finagle my way into like driving one of 'em, but like, but it's a
different experience.
Yeah. When you're driving someone else's car versus like, you actually own it, you turn a wrench on it or two. Dude, I,
people ask me all the time because I've driven like some incredible cars recently. Yeah. I mean I drove a, uh, a Carrera GT. Yep. The Gunther works turbo. Like tons of crazy shit. But like when you film to make a video, like my main priority is making a good video.
Mm-hmm. So it's like you do your research on the car, you find things you want to talk about, and then you're like, okay, you get in the car. And you have to drive it. You have to film, you have to talk, you have to shoot rollers. Yeah. That you're paying attention to and it's like sensory overload and then it's over.
Yeah. You know, I think like some of the journalists, like if you're working a traditional magazine, like I know Matt Farrah 'cause he does road and track content. Like they'll just, like Gunther Werks will just give him a car for like a week. Yep. That's what you need for me. So you truly experience it. For me, they're like, okay, you got, you know, a couple hours, do this whole thing and you're like, oh shit, I got a lot of work to do.
Yeah. Yeah. So you don't really get to enjoy it. Like, do I enjoy a Carerra GT? Yeah. Driving it was fun, I think, but like I didn't get to experience it. Of course. So for me it's like it's fun to like live with something. Yeah. For a little bit and see how it is and then kind of move on.
I remember when I was a journalist, we would like get a car for just a day and you'd spend the whole day shooting it and you're just like, you're sitting there staring at this thing.
I remember TechArt gave me a 997 Turbo, which like at the time was like 700 horsepower, which like in 2000 whatever, six, 2007, like maybe 2008, like that was a lot of power in nine 11. Like now you can get that factory, they're still fast. Yeah. And I got in, I went and took one out. I spent the entire day just looking at it parked.
Because we're like shooting this, we're doing that, like setting up lights and, and then like at the end of the day I'm like, well, this sucks. I barely got to drive the car. Yeah, you did like three pulls maybe. Yeah. I was supposed to bring it back at five o'clock and luckily missed the drop off window. And they were like, all right.
'cause it was, I think, um, it was Klaus back in the day, used to run TechArt stuff. Mm. And they were like, all right, just bring it in tomorrow. And I drove the car all night. Right. Yeah. So it was like a finally and it was like just I was there like by myself. Got to go. Just like you actually get to experience.
Yeah. Got to go it, the car for what? It's, enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. It's
really hard to like do the whole thing. So Yeah. Like that, you know, the dealership I think is gonna be super fun for me. I mean, my goal is to like kind of be a blend between like RMC Miami where I can go and buy cars in other countries that are like moed and crazy.
But also like do some grail cars and like great specs and like collector style condition.
Do you see yourself getting to drive every car first? So like is everything that you're like, will you buy and just sell immediately or do you think that like part of the experience for you is to like sort of own it stuff?
No, I think like own it, make
some content with it. Um, you know, get to like experience the cars and like always like, you know, fix 'em up, make sure it's better. Maybe add like key mods to it and stuff because like what I actually don't have any interest in selling is like this new like collector car market sucks.
I think it's so lame. Nothing worse to me than like tracking down cars with like three digit mileage, you know? Yeah. And it's like you're flat beding these things to go shoot them for photos 'cause like you can't even drive 'em. And I'm like, I would weigh more rather promote like the things that I love, which is like if I could find a Carrera GT with 50,000 miles, like by that style, that's the
ultimate Vin Carerra GT dude.
I
say my next dream car is a scud. Yeah. But I want a 70,000 mile. Yeah. Previously crashed. Yeah. Like
repainted one because like I just need for normal car enthusiasts out there. A 50,000 mile Carerra GT is the equivalent of like a normal car with 200,000. Yeah, 250. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. But like that's the stuff that I find exciting and I think it's so funny 'cause I'm still on forums and stuff and I read into all this crap and like.
I, I said it the other day because I, you know, I still fucking love just hitting noobs on the forums and stuff. But like, there has never, you, you still,
you still out there flame
suiting on forums? Oh hell yeah. Hell yeah. You wanna know why? Because there's not a single cool story about your 300 mile Carrera GT.
None. You know, you know what's a cool story when you pull up to a car meet and like, yo, there's a dude football player. He, uh, came up to good vibes. He was driving an F40 and this thing was hammered. Hell yeah. In a good way. Not like destroyed, but rock chip. Yeah. Like wheels, wheels were break dust coated.
It had scratches, swirl marks. The lexan windows were like scratched up. Yeah. And he was like, yeah, she was a car. Driver's condition driving. And I'm like, that is so much more impressive than going to Pebble Beach and seeing one with 150 miles on it. And the guy's like, yeah. You know, I like rub a diaper on it and like, it's super sick.
Like, it's so lame. You know, it's
cleaner than factory's. Like, ah, whatever. I, I
got it paint corrected so that you could see the carbon, ugh. Like falling asleep. Whereas all of
us back in the day, I, I know you'll remember it is like in New York, there was a dude that pulled up to like the go-kart track and he had a, a white, I think it was a 997 GT3 at the time.
Rubber marks all across the hood and the bumper and everything from just track days. Yeah. And it's, and we're like, that's the dude. It's so much cooler. That's the dude. So
like, I would rather buy high mileage like, uh, storied cars. Yeah. And. Sell them to people who want to drive them. Like, I don't think I really want to get into that like, collector car, like never driven market thing.
'cause there's enough people doing it and I just think it's boring. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't
see any, I think that's fantastic like that and, and, and again, like that whole like collect miles not dust thing. Yeah. That's the whole thing. Like experience the car for what it was built to do. Dude, my 360 changed me like straight
up what is, where do I live in the middle there because, um, you do both.
Because I have a headliner sitting on top of my Ferrari right now, so it's, I'm clearly not the diaper crowd, but I also haven't driven it in a month. Yeah. So I, I'm like in a weird in between. You're like, because I don't cherish cars at all. Like I, when I drive them, I don't care if they get hit. I don't like, I don't care if I get rock chips.
I don't care about any of that.
I mean, you just like the things You're a thing guy. Yeah, I'm a thing guy. You're a thing guy. I'm also a dad. Well, you're a,
you're a limits my time guy.
You're
a builder.
You love the Build Pro paper building, but I don't ever have do any of it. Well, I mean, you do. You, you, I mean, you're halfway build of the eight, six is sick.
Yeah.
True. I think you, you like, um, your thing is like, you're, you're like a collector, but what gets your rocks off is like telling people that you have something that like they don't have. So like, you want to be like, sure. Like, you want to be like, I have, I'm doing an 86, it's got a be VR6. It's like, it's crazy.
Right? And then people
are like, wait, what?
And you're like,
he's like,
oh yeah, let's stretch out on something. Yeah.
[00:45:15] Driving vs Building
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Because like if you ask Mike Burroughs. He always jokes that he is, like, if someone said you could either build cars or drive cars, you could only do one. He'd be like, build doesn't care about your, like, not that he doesn't care, but he'd rather, he'd rather I'm polar.
Polar opposite. Yeah. Whereas like
Ron and I would be like, we, I would rather, and this sounds like crappy, but I would rather show up to a built car and go out to the track. Absolutely. Yeah. I enjoy, I enjoy both, but I like working on cars. I do, yeah. I like building cars, but I really build them because I want to drive 'em.
You like making them better for the driving experience. Like that process is fun. But you, at the end of the day, like driving is the thing. Yeah.
We both suffer working on cars to drive them. Yeah.
I, I enjoy them both, but like I'm at a point in my life where I don't own a daily driver. Right. Like I just drive, that's why like when we talked about all my cars being broken, it's 'cause I just drive them all.
Yeah. And then they break and then I move to another one, which is one of the upsides of having 25 cars is you could be like, I'll get back to that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but that was a decision I made because I was driving one of the Hyundais, like the Santa Fe or something. What? The Santa Cruz, because they gave it to me for like six months as, as Vin put it, the Santa whatever.
Yeah. Could not remember the name of it. But like, it, it's, and like it's a great useful functional vehicle. It works really well and like. Sucked some of my soul out because like I found myself just going and getting in it every day. 'cause it was easier. Yeah. Yeah. I knew I was going to get to my destination.
Yeah. I knew that like I wasn't gonna run out of all my AAA tows in a single week. Yeah. And so I was doing it 'cause it was easy. And then when I removed that from my life, I was like, okay, now I drive my RS2 or my rabbit. Yeah. Like everywhere. Sometimes the van dude. But like I drive the RS2 a ton.
Dude. I have put more miles on my 360 than I have my Raptor. Yo. I've had, I've had my raptor for a year and a half now, which is like huge for me guys. Yeah. Thank you so much. But uh, it's huge. I put 4,000 miles on it. I never drive it ever. Wow. I just drive my fun cars all the time. Yeah. And I was joking about it the other day 'cause Jolly got a pickup truck.
He got like a 23 tundra. Mm-hmm. And literally drives his JZX or Z almost every day. It's amazing. And it's like, love that. Similarly, it's like out here, I don't know, you could do it. And it's like if you don't have a really crappy commute where you sit in traffic every day. Yeah. Like drive, you could drive your fun car every day.
Yeah. Yeah. And I drive my fun car no matter what, unless it's like. I have to go to Erwindale, you know? And you really need the best
AC possible. Yeah. You just need the best AC automatic. Yeah. Sometimes you need that. Yeah. Yeah. I the, yesterday I was with Ilia from Final Bout, and it's like he either has his FD RX-7 or his RX-8 Ilia, the only two cars he owns.
And both of those cars are like jammers. He is such a champion. He has so
many miles on that fd.
It's sick.
Yeah.
And it's built. Yeah. It's like a built single turbo. I'm actually, I'm gonna do an episode, Ilia. He is a good pal of mine, but uh Oh, good. I'm gonna do an episode that's like. Uh, I haven't figured out a title for yet, but it's kind of like the one car that could do it all thing.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, because he literally, he dailies it, he grip drives it. He like, he'll raise time, attack with it. He goes drifting. Yep, he does touge drifting. Like champion. The thing is like his and his whole theory is he is like, I want one car. That's perfect.
Yeah.
And he has a friend who's like a genius, uh, Nikita.
Yeah. And Nikita is like a blend of all of us. He's got like 15 cars. Yeah. Yeah. They're all built and swapped and he's got everything. He's
got like a SRE 30 is sick, but, but also a 992 GT3. Yeah. And he's
also a bit of a mad scientist. Yeah, he is. Yeah. And he's got a MK V Supra manual that he did all stuff to.
And like, he's got all his stuff and, uh, and Ilia and him like argue all the time. 'cause like Nikita's cars will break and he's like, you just have too much crap. He's like, you just need to like whittle it down. So I think it's a really fun take to be like, do one car and make it like perfect. Yeah. You know?
Yeah. Except because his car doesn't have ac which is like crazy. I,
I think I, I'm getting more where I'm starting to have like real internal conversations with myself of like, what if like, this was just perfect, right? Like, like what if the RS2 was just perfect? Like, because 'cause you said this the other day, you're like, we always make fun of, you're like, yo, we always make fun of Scotto for his ridiculous car collection.
But if you actually just listed five of his cars Yeah. It's fire. You're like 9, 911. RWB. Ferrari 360 NGT kitted, RS2. We would always nova, we would
always be like Scotto. So Nova, forget about the Nova Scotto is so annoying 'cause he has cool cars. But then we'll just be like, yeah, I can't wait to work on this green wagon out of the Simpsons.
Uh, I'm gonna do a five canyon arrow. Like, and we're just like, oh my God, I couldn't possibly. You
literally have a 360.
Yeah. Like what about the nova? Like can you, why like, just push this thing, make it a coral reef on, on the farm, bro. It goes back. The wagon should turn into a coral reef. What animals would graze in there?
Like it goes back to for gopher hut or something? It goes back to what
you said before, which is like, I like things that other people don't like. Yeah. Yeah. But I also like things that people like, oh, it's like the mix, you know? So, or maybe. Maybe I need those other things. So like, I still like people put respect on the quantum 'cause they're like, I don't know, we're getting real philosophical here.
A guy with a Ferrari and a 911, maybe he knows something. I don't know, maybe a quantum wagon is actually a lot cooler than I think it's just one of those things. I mean, it's
cool
adjacency
when you've been into cars for as long as you have. Like it's, it's the weird stuff that really gets you going.
It's totally that This is, this is
totally toilet
kinking point that, that quantum got dropped off at, uh, that whatever the hell thing we did at SEMA that year. And um, literally like everyone was just like, yo, what the fuck is wrong with scotto? Like, we were all like concerned because that thing got dropped off and we were like, this is no, that car almost
kicked off an intervention.
Yeah. We were like, this is like red flags going off like siren. I have
spent, I've spent more time in the past year daydreaming about that car than any of my other projects. I have a, I have a Quattro race car that is, oh my God, quat. I always forget that. Is this close? I forgot about it until I went to Pikes Peak and everyone's like, oh, is your coupe here?
I'm like, eh,
Brian, you said this close.
It's that close.
It's this close. It's
that close. Because that's literally how much this is. The clutch needs to be pushed in by the, by the slave. That's not happening because it starts, it runs
the, this,
this measure is the, the gotta sec in Brian Scotto universe, because that car actually needs like, and I can't think, I don't know how wide this lens is, but like it needs, go watch the episode that we did on it.
Brian literally walked away from that and was like, yeah, I'm never looking at this car again. Like
it needs everything. Oh,
and that's just to get it running. I mean, trust me, I built the Evo over a really, really long time. And that's with like still a decent amount of factory stuff in it. Building it and getting it done is a third of the battle.
Dude, Mike, the development part is
crazy. Mike Burrow just went to Grid Life with his, uh, 244 GTK. Yeah. The, the Ferrari K swap thing and still is having issues with it. And he finished that car like I think three years ago. Yeah. Development and has done a bunch of tire lift with it. But, but like, you know, he goes out and things break that like he never planned for and he is like refabbing stuff, you know?
Okay. It's like a heat issue. Okay. Then you do all this stuff, you redo the whole cooling system. Oh, it runs way cooler now. Oh wow. Now it's over boosting. Okay, well why is it over? Okay, then you fix that and well, oh, now it's making a ton of power. Well, now the transfer case is the weak point. It's like, it's, yeah, it's always something.
It never ends. And then you make all this power and then the brakes like it. I, I went through that with the evos so much where I really started disliking the car a lot.
So you want to know, what's really funny about that in particular is, you know.
[00:52:55] Building Cars for Content
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For, for everyone out there. Like when you build a car for YouTube or content.
Yeah, because you, you built the Evo for at Hoonigan. Absolutely. You do a lot at once because that's the way you have to do it. So I bought this S15 and I'm like, I just want a drift car. Mm-hmm. And originally I wasn't even gonna make content with it. I was like, I'm just buying this for me. I don't even care.
But then I was in Spain and some things fell apart and I had to make some videos. So I made S 15 content, but I'm not gonna do it by the way he
did. He texted me and said, my dream car is a, is a secret drift car.
Yeah. And I, a secret did secret drift car
that I don't have to tell an audience about. So
I talked to Ilya like every day and we always chat about this stuff and I'm like, you know what I'm gonna do with this car?
I'm gonna anti car content it. Because what I'm gonna do is like, it needs subframe. Bushings needs new dampers. I'm gonna do that, get in alignment and go drive it. Then I'm gonna do one mod. I'm gonna do knuckles and I'm gonna drive it. I'm gonna see, do I like the steering Ackerman, do I want less? Do I want more?
And then change it from there. Whereas the YouTube model or the content model would be get it, take everything apart, do every single adjustable suspension, arm knuckles, different suspension. 17 way adjustable. I got a
NASCAR V8 for my S15. Next video. NASCAR V8 disaster. Yeah. But then the
problem is you go out, like with my E36, the Gymkhana grid build car.
That turned time attack. Yeah. I took that car out. It worked. The car drove. I drove it on the street a bunch. It was fine. I take it out to the track and I'm like, holy shit. Yeah. I don't know where to start. You're like, okay. Uh, well it doesn't have great front grip. Is it my tire setup? Is it my alignment?
Is it the arrow? Is it the dampers? Is it that the diff has too much decel lockup? Is it, and you're just like, holy shit, this is incredible. The amount of stuff that you change. Yeah. Whereas like the way normal people built cars was like one at a time. One at a time. Yeah. So we all built
cars when you were kids.
Not only that, but real quick on the E36 is like, I'm sure this happened to you. You go to the track, you spent all this time building it, Texas speed V8, all the right parts. You paint it, you do all this stuff, you're ripping laps. You're like, okay, I'm trying to figure it out. A dude in a full bolt on M4
smokes you.
Oh, I have such a better story than that. Okay, so Chase and Brian from Chase Bays come out. We do a, a booster delete on the car 'cause it like over boosted the brakes and it would like go into lock up too quick. So do a booster, delete, do a bunch of their parts. They did a, a sick crank case setup on this car so it wouldn't like fill up a catch can in 16 seconds.
Oh cool. We go up to, we work on the car whole day, go up to button willow, get to button willow, fucking drop a valve right away. But it's an ls, so like, hey, another broke. Literally easy. Troubleshoot this thing all day. Can't figure it out. Horrible. Uh, what do I, end of the day, Charles from SoCal Driver's Club is like, Hey man, this sucks, dude.
You should take out the rental E36. And I'm like, oh. I get in it. Yeah. Stock, S52 CAE shifter, front brakes, tire, tire suspension, no other. And a bucket seat. I did like 15 laps in it. So happy. Yeah. And was like,
and what were the times? How
close
were the times? I don't even care.
I don't even care. I don't even care.
Right. Uh, and I was like, I, I just had so much fun driving a car that has like four mods. Yeah. And I spent years building this horse shit. Race car thing. Yeah. I've been to the track with it five times. Every single time something broke. And this time I just blew my motor and spent eight fucking hours working on it in a garage.
God, that reminds me of the last time I was at Apple Valley, there was a guy in a bone stock, S13 angle, welded diff having the time of his life, I'm sure Lap after. Oh.
What happened to you after lap? After
lap after that. And what happened to you at that time? At
AV
s I'm
not gonna talk about
that. Yeah.
We're not gonna talk another, like, it's just like, you, you do this crazy thing and you're like, you do all this
dumb stuff.
It's, it's a lot. So I think for normal people it's really cool to like slowly build your car and make sure you do it like in a way that you are able to figure it out and it'll be a lot more fun.
Are we no longer normal people? No. We're tainted. I tell people, I was literally with a bunch of dudes the other night and I was like, I fucked up. I built cars for the internet and I fucked up by taking it too far. Yeah. Too quickly. And then you don't really know how to sort it out because you're trying to become like this, like multiple.
Engineer where you're like figuring out like shocks and suspension and diff all at once and you're like, that shit is all so complicated.
Yeah, absolutely. And the worst part is, is like I know better 'cause I worked on an actual race team and watched us chase, most of us did watch us chase stuff that people put millions and millions of dollars to figure out how to do it.
And they still couldn't figure out why something was doing something weird. Things that you have a team
of eight people and a budget of a lot of zeroes and I and things still break and you still lose days.
And my car is a full dropdown menu build. I'll take all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You make that for my car. I'll just add all of that to the back. Yeah. I don't know.
Maybe
it makes
sense. I think it's part of the journey though. Uh, you e everybody's gonna get there at some point. You're gonna go the furthest you can personally go on a build 'cause you have to. What do you, what else are you gonna do?
Are you gonna be like, mm, no, I'm not gonna try. You try it and then you reach that peak and then you find your balance in between. So
I, I'm, I'm super grateful for it because like it was a really incredible experience to be able, like, at Hoonigan to get all these sponsored parts and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.
And be able to build crazy cars for sure. And I'm a little bummed because I wish I had taken that ability to get all these crazy parts and build stuff that I would keep forever. But like I built my S15, my S 14 and I was like, I didn't great build, I just didn't Yeah. But I, I screwed up. Yeah. And I did, I did too much at once and I didn't really like a lot of the stuff I did.
Yeah. You know, and I think I did that too many times. Like my E36, I built a full parts catalog car and I was like, and then at the end I'm like. I should have done it differently. But the thing about YouTube is it's very, very difficult to make the development time into good content. Yeah. So you just don't get any development.
Yeah. Like you build a car and then it's done and then there's like no time's facade, facade mods. Yeah. You're like onto the next stage and it's like, oh yeah, you put all this stuff in, but you're not spending time. Well, it's what we were just talking about. It's like the
last 10% of the work takes 90% of the time, but the last 90% of the time no one wants to watch.
Well, there's
no transformation. Yeah. All the views are in the first 10%. Yeah. New car, transformative body work and that's it. Big crazy mod. Yeah. Finished. Yep. Nothing. Yeah. Like yeah. And that, I honestly, that's a pretty good segue into uh, what Hoonigan builds were like the brand builds. Oh yeah.
We could get into that.
'cause I mean that's, that is the next line. Although I did wanna ask one question because you mentioned this earlier and I, I think this is a interesting one and maybe it's a bit heavy for a podcast, but, okay, so we are now, all of us are over two years post to again. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's almost two and a half years I think, at this point, right?
Mm-hmm. I left in October of 23. Do you think, do you feel like things are, are, I don't wanna say better or worse, but I think when we all left we were all really happy to be gone. For sure. 'cause like it just what, for all different reasons. And there was a change, man, and I think it was all really exciting for the first six months for everybody.
Yeah. I went to go work in a different industry and I, I really enjoyed super plastic for the first six months. Um, obviously I came back to automotive, but. Kind of looking at it. 'cause like I, I know that I talk to all of you guys individually and it's like, it's a weird, bittersweet
man. Mm-hmm. I feel like this is gonna be like a little bit grim of a, of a topic because I love not having a day job, but I think I'm a lot less happy because I don't have the same like interactions.
Yeah. And I think the thing that sucks the most for me is like, I leave Hoonigan and all my friends and people who I thought were my friends and they don't see anyone anymore. Yeah. Yeah. So Hoonigan was like a family and we had this like builtin family that you saw because you had to Yeah. And that was like my friend group in a lot of ways.
And I have other friends, but you know, like Hoonigan was kinda like a lot of you guys are my core friends.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
then you leave pretty abruptly. I don't talk to like, I mean it's like you guys Hert and I chat every now and then, kind of keep in touch with Dan. Yeah. That's it. Yeah.
Right. But you're like, even that, that's so different from every day you come in and Zac for the 20th time has the heads off of his Corvette.
Yeah. Yeah. And Hert is cold revving the twerk stallion. Right. And like, I mean, you come in and I
talk to Zac a lot too, but the, my point I was getting at is. Then you leave and everyone's gotta figure out their own life. Yeah.
Yeah.
And everyone is too busy. So you don't see anyone anymore. For sure. And like, you're like, wow, my fucking friend group has like deteriorated your life circle.
And you're like, now I'm like in my mid thirties. And I'm like, I feel like I don't have a lot of super close friends. 'cause I moved out to California for this job. I spent my entire life working with these people. I didn't really have a huge friend group outside of it. And now no one has time for anyone.
Yeah. I mean, even in our own group chat, like I talk shit about it a lot to you guys because we'll be like, let's go get lunch. And we never can't even make that impossible. Like everyone just has so much shit going on in their life that they can't have a moment for anyone else and families and everything, you know, like, so it's like, it's kind of a sad realization as an adult because, and like I said, this is gonna be kind of grim.
'cause I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you do that, right? So you're like, you lose all your friends. You're like, I feel kind of lonely. And then the other part sets in where you're like, you know, I always thought like, when you do it, were an adult, you'd have your life figured out. Oh. And then you're like, yeah, well now I'm in my mid thirties and like I'm, I'm doing all right.
You know, like I'm making money. I'm like having like visual fun most days and you're like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Yeah. Like. You're like, what happened? Like, I thought when I was like mid thirties, you'd be like, oh, I'm figured out. I'm cruising. I work my job, I'm gonna retire, whatever. Now you're like, I literally have no idea what I'm doing and uh, I don't know where any of my friends are and life is weird.
Yeah.
So it is a really, really weird place to be. And I, I think we even talk about it a lot on an individual level, sometimes on the group chat, but like, Hoonigan was such a gnarly, like marathon sprint, if that makes sense. We were always running, it was one project after another, after another, after another.
And we lived and died by the project that was happening at that time. Mm-hmm. Whether it was a new series, whether it was a revamp, whether it was apparel or, uh, the Burn Yard or a new location or Gymkhana launch or, or Gymkhana launch. And sometimes these things stepped on each other where towards the end of it we were so, so burnt that we were just like, like, yeah, alright.
I could do what I want to do. I could do my thing. Like I could try this and do it, and we did it. And like we each kind of got to do some cool stuff. And exactly like you said, you wake up one morning after you stop that sprint and you got your breath back and you got your legs back onto your, and you're like, man.
Yeah. Like we had something that you just can't. Replicate.
I think a big part of Hoonigan was it felt like high school in that one. We were a bunch of fucking juveniles. But yeah, more importantly, like when I go back and I think about like the high school I went to, there was a ton of people in that high school who I, like, they were my friends, but I didn't really hang out with them after school.
But I really enjoyed seeing them in school. And they were people that I would not have sought out to be my friends. Right. Like totally, there was like the kid, like I, most of my core friend group in high school were a bunch of kids on the soccer team. I didn't play soccer. I, I don't know, I don't know why they became my friends, but like I enjoyed them.
Yeah. And I enjoyed spending time with them every day in school. But then like, you know, as time went on, we just didn't really have the same kind of connection. And I think like the three of us have sort of stayed more in touch than maybe, you know, we have with some of the other guys partially. 'cause we live in the same area.
Yeah. We have a longer term relationship. Like all of us, were friends from the New York type day. We have similar interest in cars, we have similar interest in what we want to do with cars, stuff like that. But like Zac's a really good example. I, I love Zac to death. Yeah. I enjoy Zac. I, I spent most of SEMA with Zac this year, and like, just, I don't even know why it worked out that way, um, until I got sick.
But, um, and it's like, but I don't, like Zac is one of those people who when I would see him at Hoonigan, I'd be like, oh yeah, let me go, like, talk to Zac about whatever random things get lunch. He'd be there like just eating like 17 pounds of raw meat while like looking at some new heads he had for his big block.
And like Zac and I connected on that. But it becomes this thing where like, I don't wanna say it's forced, but it's like you put a bunch of people in a room and you will, well, you'll like different stuff, but you'll find the commonalities with each other. Yeah. You know, like, like I
would, I would invite Zac over to my house when we were having like barbecues, like, you know, kickback style.
Yeah. Yeah. And I'd be like, are you okay coming over to hang out? Like, this isn't gonna, like, you know, there's not gonna be a vodka slide. There's, we're not having a foam party. There's no slip and slide with naked girls. His like level of fun is so different that like, we don't, me and Zac hang out all the time.
We see each other a lot, but like, we don't really chill like nights and weekends because I'm like, he's into like a way different lifestyle than I'm Yeah, for sure. So it's like, and that's kind of the funny thing is like, growing up you were like friends with, like people who you share a lot of the common stuff with.
Yeah. Whereas like at work friends, you're kind like just paired with people that you like, but like. Y'all are way different outside, you know? But
like even take someone like Jon Chase, like I don't talk to Jon Chase as much as I should. Yeah. I chase, I wish I did great and I like, I had so many good times with Jon, especially like in the pre-YouTube era where like we did power tour and all this stuff.
But you know, it's just one of those like you gets diluted and like, but when you were all sitting in the same building, you find reason to like talk more for hours. For hours. Yeah. Like who would put Kikawa on their friend list before you met him? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like Yeah. And even the first six months he was there, like he was just this like weird dude.
Yeah. And then like he broke through and you got to meet him and you got to know him. And to me I think that's a comparison of high school. Like you tend to hang out with people who are outside of like your normal circle. Yeah. And, and Hoonigan really created that. I will say this though, um, at least for me, I realize my dynamic was different 'cause I was the boss.
But like I have a better relationship with everybody now than I did during Hoonigan. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like I'm better friends with everybody. Like there's really no one, I can't think of anyone that there's like beef with, but there were definitely was towards the end where there was just that tension.
I mean even you and I had tension towards the end I think like once, once that all went away. Yeah.
But I always say like me and you actually had a really interesting dynamic and I was like, me and Brian had a very like, brotherly relationship and that we can like really fucking argue but then like still be friends.
Um, I think at the end it was really, uh, and this is a tangent, but uh, the company. Wanted to tear apart the friends who existed Oh, absolutely. Before the company got bought.
Yeah.
So like, they would pit a lot of us against each other, which was whack. Yeah. But, you know, and,
and
the worst part
about that was like, the company that we had built was so, not that everybody that worked at Hoonigan cared worked at Hoonigan because they didn't wanna work a corporate job where people were trying to snake their way up a ladder or something, where we just wanted to create cool shit.
Yeah. So when we got bought out, you all of a sudden have these characters that like the only thing that matters to them is their own corporate growth. Yeah. Super wack. And the moves that they have to make to do that. Tear apart the culture of a place. Yeah. In a huge way.
Yeah. But like, just like I'm extending on my point before, it's like crazies, I, I kind of like try, you know, like it's, uh, I saw a quote recently and it was like, um, it was like, uh, you're an intern in life.
Like, you're just always figuring it out. Yeah. So it's kind of crazy because I look at like, uh, I have a good friend Pat, he's super rich. He sold a company that he built on his own and he lives up in Santa Barbara. And he's like, I have all these friends. He's like, I'm the poorest guy in my neighborhood.
Like, my friends are like billionaires. He's like, and they still work like, yeah, a hundred hours a week. And he's like, I don't get it. You have more money than anything you could ever need, but you still are on phone calls back to back eight to eight every day. And he's like, I don't want to do that. And I'm like, I don't want to do that.
But I think what happens is like you end up in this weird situation where like post Hoonigan, you know, you're like, damn, I'm kind of lonely. I don't really have like a ton of friends, but I do know how to make money and I know how to work. So you're just like bury yourself in. End up like burying yourself in work because you're busy and busyness makes you satisfied.
And then I started realizing that. I'm like, that kind of sucks. Yeah. Like that's mad empty. 'cause like, I don't know, you make money and you're like, you buy shit and you're like, yeah, this isn't even really that cool. So let's move on past a topic. 'cause I said it was gonna be a bummer. But look, no, I think it's, I think it's a great conversation to have.
I think a
lot of people out,
I think a lot of people out there do feel the same way and like are scared to admit that like you're an adult and you feel like fucking lost. So it's like cool for people to be like, oh yeah, these dudes who I watch online
like feel the same way. Yeah, no, and I look, I mean, we will move past it in a second, but.
Man, we had like really, really good times. And sometimes you don't realize how good the times are while you're having, dude, that's such a cliche, but it's so true,
Don, it's a cliche because it, it, it is so real that like you just keep looking at the next and the biggest thing, but you don't realize that at some point, like you are at that peak.
[01:10:15] Daily Transmission Memories
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We hated filming daily transmission. Hated. He hated it. Hated it. It was the best fucking time ever. It was such a huge pain in the ass. It was such a massive lift. And then we had to go back and finish our regular jobs. But looking back on it, you were like, my regular job didn't fucking matter. I should have just done the content thing.
And it was so fun. Like, we got to do such nonsense. By the way,
I'm so happy that you brought this up because forever the fans were like, or the viewers were like, bring back daily transmission. I was like. I can't tell you how much everyone hates this show. Like we hate everyone. Hated it. Hated it. And most of the reason was is we didn't get to drive.
Yeah. So we were like sitting there just being presenters and at a certain point we had done over 300 episodes of it. You get to a point where it's like, how many burnouts can you possibly see? There's a few things that stand out like, oh, so boring. Yeah, like a couple man lines, right? Like the BJ Baldwin one, like old Smokey Micah's Man line.
Oh, Little's Man Line. Die doing. Die doing figure eights on the DA on the dock. Like there's a few things that stand out. A monster of it. The Monster truck in the back of Compton. The rest of it though was kind of just the same thing.
All right. For all you guys that don't know, back in the day, we wouldn't be excited because a lot of the driving in the yard sucked.
The editors did a really good job at making out the shreds, making, making heroes out of regular stuff that didn't look good.
Yeah.
I would always get people come in like my connections or some something. They would do a shit job driving. And like, look like a total wad. Yeah. And they would text me when the video came out and they'd be like, yo, thank you so much for making me like, not look like an idiot.
They'd be shocked when the edit came out and they're like, whoa, wait, did I actually do that? Yeah. And you're like, no, you
didn't. But like, we're not in the business of making lame content. You know?
That was what we told everyone. 'cause people were always afraid. I'm like, look, we're not in the business of making you look like an idiot.
Yeah. Like, that's just not what we want to do. Yeah. Unless you act like an idiot. Yeah. But like, if you wanna be an
idiot, you can. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was that kid who totaled his car on the show that one day, remember he caught the doorframe at the S13. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And like even that, we didn't, we like, kind of made him look like a hero.
Yeah. And, and then like the, the Alfa twins, I forget their, the oil, um, oil stain lab. Lab stain lab guys. Like, they were like stoked to kind of own the, like they crashed it when it happened to Yeah. And they still
looked heroic doing it. But we asked them, we were
like, you cool with this? And they got a ton of hate from like the purist community, but our community was like, okay, you guys are cool.
Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. Like weird car, but
cool. Yeah. Yeah. So like that, that was like a big thing. It was like, you wouldn't be excited. 'cause a lot of times it was like the edit was in post. Mm-hmm. Uh, the magic was in post. The magic was in post. You know, you'd be like, yeah. So it wasn't that fun to make.
But I think the fun BTS that no one knows about is it's like people were like, oh, you guys, I mean, remember we opened the store and people would show up and be like, what are you guys up to today? Is Ken here? And there's just like seven model threes in the parking lot. Yeah. And like smart cars. And I think no one knew that we filmed that show.
From 3:00 PM till 7:00 PM on Thursdays only. Yeah. So like you would be like in a meeting about like having fucking Andy, eating Andy Dellenbach eating, you know, name drop, eating, eating. Then he's just out here dropping, eating peanuts and talking while chewing about like selling the summer of mayhem or whatever the hell.
And then getting out of this meeting and then going and doing burnouts for five minutes and then doing emails until 10 o'clock at night. Like, yeah. Crazy.
At the end of the day, a business is a business, like you have to make the numbers work to do payroll. Yeah. Like there are such boring parts that you have to do.
You would sit in these mind-numbing meetings and then have to go put it on. Right. It just, you would have to be super excited after just like, and Scotto's just got seven graphs of like all this crazy shit and we were just like, oh my God, I'm
so burnt. But the fun parts were really fun. Absolutely. The hard parts were really hard.
Yeah. And I think like that really weighs on people. It does. Over time. It, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right guys. Well, so we got to the first line new. I told you, I told you we're an hour and 18 minutes in also. Okay. How does this clo this 12 hours? I thought we were
12 minutes in at one point. I was like, oh, sick.
We're cruising.
Only I can so many subjects. It's like a, it's like a da Vinci code. Only I can read the clock. Oh God. Otherwise you guys, oh my God. That is the Scotto clock. That
is the Scotto clock. 'cause in Scotto's mind, this has been 12 minutes.
Yeah. It's only been 12 minutes. Guys. We've
cracked the code.
Well, let's, let's power run through a couple topics. Like we'll keep it on, uh, we'll keep it on point. So, um,
maybe should we just have, I mean, should we have, should we have Nick keep us on track and give us like, like a minute and a half per topic? You guys don't me want that?
You don't need or want that!
Yeah. Nick's just letting it burn.
[01:15:00] The Nürburgring 24 Hours That Got Away
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Um, the one thing I wanted to get into, 'cause we talked about, I I was gonna, this was like a conversation we've never talked publicly about, and I thought it'd be kind of cool to talk on it, is that the three of us were supposed to race the Nürburgring 24.
Ooh.
Uh, which like, I I will say it's a gut punch was a, was a breaking point I think for all three of us as to Hoonigan was no longer Hoonigan.
Yeah. Yeah. So I, I'll, I'll set the stage for everybody so we. Um, we had been working with Hyundai, uh, doing a bunch of stuff with them around n and um, we went to the Nürburgring 24 hour race with them. And you guys might remember we went there, it's actually where we met Jimmy Oaks, um mm-hmm. Brian and like, you know, fun event.
I, I love Nürburgring, love that event. And we jokingly said to Hyundai, Hey, you need some, uh, need some ball boys to jump in those cars and race the event for you next year we're here. And they just kind of looked at us and laughed. And then all of a sudden a few months later they're like, you know what? We actually might be interested in you guys doing it.
I'll let Vinny kind of take it from here. 'cause I think you, you know, the next part of how it started to come together.
So basically, uh, you can't just do the 24 hour Nürburgring. You need to do a lot of, a lot of stuff. But we were working with Hyundai a lot and they saw a lot of value in the audience that we brought them.
And they were like, we know you guys aren't really racers, but we see, you know, how to drive. And obviously the Hoonigan audience is really valuable to us, so maybe we'll put that together. So we worked on this deal for like, honestly, like, probably two years. It felt like, yeah, it was two years, like two years of like trying to figure this out.
It was a really big deal and it was gonna be a lot of money. Oh. Like it was a seven figure deal. Yeah. So we were like, okay. And it was
a 20 figure opportunity
and we, we came up with. Insane creative to make this cool. I mean our whole thing, and it kind of parlays into like why Ron and I did stuff with Hyundai.
Brian had a non-compete and why we had these Elantra ends is we came up with a big campaign and we were like, we're gonna take these stock hun. We're gonna take a stock Hyundai Elantra. Literally just put a roll cage in it and break pads and we're gonna go race like grassroots, 24 hours Lucky dog event.
Yeah. And grassroots, 24 hour races, get seat time. We're gonna get our VLM license. And then 2024, I think it would've been, or maybe 2025, I don't know, we were gonna go like build up, do some races and then go and race the 24 hour of Nürburgring. And it didn't matter how we did. It was a story of like Hyundai making these cool cars to like support the the industry of like enthusiast autos and giving these idiots who have no right to be there an opportunity.
And that would've showing the
path all along the way because it's not easy. You need hours of competition driving. Yeah. Just to be allowed on that
racetrack. Yeah. We got so close to it happening that I started to get scared.
We got a contract. Yeah. Like Hyundai sent us an agreement. Not just You started dieting.
I started dieting. We all started dieting. We all started, like everyone was getting their sims on. Like
Hyundai sent us a deal for $1.2 million. And we were gonna do it. And then, and then Wheel Pros didn't sign it.
Yeah. And the reason why, and this is where like, you know, in hindsight you look back and you realize an entity like Hoonigan can't operate in a big corporate structure.
No. Because it all came down to, and it's really something kind of dumb, was like their workers' comp insurance would, wouldn't allow racing and for us to go race in the Nürburgring would put their entire company in jeopardy of losing workers' comp. And like, that was enough of a reason.
Yeah. Which makes sense.
They have a thousand employees, like totally makes sense
for them. But it, it, it shifted, you know, everything we were, we tried to figure out some workarounds and I think in the end, like they just weren't that interested in figuring out how the three of us went to go racing. Well I think it's like an
interesting topic because, you know, to us this was sort of like we were in this weird plateau, kind of like hovering on the downturn even while we were there.
Yeah.
And 'cause things were getting stale with what we were doing. We weren't allowed to do a lot of the stuff we wanted to do. And I think the company, like what was Wheel Pros whatever, didn't, they were never able to grasp that these people who created this brand and cultivated this audience. Like need to do this style nonsense.
Yeah. To them they were like, we get it. You guys want to go have fun. Yeah. We're not gonna rewrite our rule book for you to have fun. And it's like, yeah, we wanna have fun, but like, this stuff is what makes the brand.
You would always say we were not actors, we were never actors. Yep. The stuff that you would see on screen that we were excited about, we would have to actually be excited about.
Yeah. You couldn't fake the funk and you, you and the audience is really smart. Like they see through that you, they see through if you're not into something.
The problem when Hoonigan got bought was that you, when you get bought by a, a non-media company, and I'm sure you dealt with this a lot, Brian was like our, our knight in shining armor and the battlefields frontline.
Yeah. Mixing all sorts of genres of war here. But, uh, he, um, you can't quantify value of sentiment.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
People liking what you make, you can't be like, oh, they click this link and bought this stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.
For the most part. Sure. You could see your UTM on your, on YouTube or whatever, but you can't quantify sentiment.
So to them they were like, make the show that does the views that we spend the money on and it's easy to make. Yeah. And you're like, that's just not like how we built the brand. Like so you just become this versus that. The company. Yeah. And Brian literally used to fight. Tooth and nail for budget to do projects that made no sense for
on on paper.
On paper. Right. What's crazy is, is that not even that they would make sense. They would almost sometimes break even and maybe sell some gear, but they just weren't bringing the numbers.
You could, you could attest to that. They made no sense to like the CEOs and stuff. Yeah, no, it's, its a hard thing to sell someone
where you're like, wait, so the three of you guys Yeah.
Are gonna go, like, you're gonna be gone for like most of the year. Like you have to rent a house in Germany. Yeah. Because you're, you're there so much learning the Nürburgring and that is going to somehow make enough views. Like, is that, and they just look at it and go, are those Gymkhana numbers? And you're like, no, they're not Gymkhana numbers.
Yeah. And then you look at this verse that, and this verse that was such a double-edged sword for Hoonigan because it was the most consistent viewership we ever had. It was bigger than daily transmission. Yeah. I mean, at one point it was averaging a million views a week. Crazy. Saved the company for, for a while.
It was through COVID. It was, it was one of the big things. It worked really well and we built a whole new audience off it. Still to this day, I'll be like walking and someone will be like, yo, you're that dude from the Drag Race show. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they don't even know Hoonigan. They just know it's a drag race show.
Like it built a new audience, but it became so successful and find it was successful both. Bandwidth and financially by every Excel metric. Every Excel metric. Yeah. It checked all the boxes. I don't know if it checked the sentiment box. No. Think because we were no longer, we were no longer free to have banter or be ourselves.
We were actually kind of back, I hate to say in a little bit of the daily transmission role. Yeah. Where we were hosting other people doing.
Right, right. But remember like early days power tour? Yep. Mm-hmm. Company paid for us to go to Power Tour to expand us into the hot rod, like muscle car market for YouTube.
But we didn't do like surveys and stuff until way later about like what cars you drove and stuff. Yeah. So Brian had to be like, it's worth it for us to go because it opens us up to a new market. But then we do it and we make content and it's cool and we like do make a presence there. But there was no way to say like, more Hot Rod people like us now.
Sure. But it did expand the brand. There was a
spread in Hot Rod Magazine super called like the Hoonigans on Power Tour. And that was enough to be like, we did this. And Ken was like, okay, that's cool. Like that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But
that was what I mean, like you used to fight for this thing that you couldn't really say is like making us money, but that's the shit that made people really like the brand.
Yeah.
But I think it goes for everything. I, I think it goes for you, like your current content. Like you have built what seems to be like a good, strong, loyal group of people who love your stuff.
Yeah.
You're not doing 500,000 views every video, but like, you got people who are like, they die hard. They're die hard and they care about you.
They care about your stuff. Yeah. And like, uh, this goes back to, you know, the, my Foster Huntington conversation, which is like, do you want to mean, you know, a little to a lot? Or do you want to mean a lot to a little? Yeah. And I think that there was this, this moment where in the beginning Hoonigan meant a lot to a little, and then there was this weird moment where we meant a lot to A lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was small. It didn't last for a long time. Yeah. But we had this moment where people were just like, it felt this huge moment. It had so
much momentum. Yeah. And everything you guys did was like on the back of that and you guys just kept killing it back to back. You say that, you say
you guys, 'cause you feel like that was before you came.
That was right around that time. Yeah. Because, but you came to like
Scumbag Labs. I feel like Scumbag Labs was pretty, yeah. I, I
came, I came at the tail end of like, uh, daily transmission, just being like raw vlog. And when I came on is when things just started getting a little more structured to make it a little more of a company.
Right? Like sell more tees, like sell more partners in. Like you guys built the audience, you built the brand and then you had to build the business side of it.
[01:24:21] Early YouTube Days
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It's
funny 'cause you say that, and I think Brian and I were talking about this recently is like we in a lot of ways were like paving the way for automotive YouTube.
So we were doing things and like kind of figuring it out. So like, for example, we were coming up in YouTube with a show when YouTube was a lot of vlogs. Yeah. And so then we were creating like premium content, like build and battle. Right. And they wouldn't do as well because the audience really wanted grit and vlogs.
But then now you look at it and like the OG vloggers still do it and they, they do well, but like new channels and stuff are making like almost TV level content. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm like, wow. When we were doing that in 20 16, 20 17, like, eh, 20 17, 20 18, like YouTube just wasn't really ready for it.
Yeah. You know? 'cause like you came in and we were doing, yeah, we're doing building battle, we're doing scumbag labs. We were doing like. Pretty like highly produced shows. Yeah. With like big budgets and like creative, like an Amazon
documentary on the side. Yeah.
But for me, and I, I still stand this way, like I'd rather be early than successful.
I. Do you know what I'm saying? Like I'd rather be there in doing it in the early days than I care to be the most successful. I mean that's, that's your, that's your project guy. Yeah, it's the, it's also just the creative piece of me. I, someone once asked me like, if
someone came out with an AE 86 vr, six ITB five speed, whatever swap kit, you'd, I'd be over no longer be interested.
Just the
kid existing. Not the build kid. Just the kid. The kid Even just like on in CAD.
No man. So real, someone once asked me this, they said, you know, they were talking about like how do you feel about other people who've done shows like your shows that are like way more successful? Like they do way better, right? And like they were meaning some donut stuff. And I said, I have no problem with it because like we had to like bush whack the path.
I expect the person who comes down the path after us always to grade it and then the people to come after that to pave it and then the people to come after that to put up lights and also no one and the people after that to do all these things and make it nicer and nicer and nicer and make it a better path.
Because I don't care to be on that path anymore. Yeah. I want to go find another path. And also like I, another path,
I think a lot of people innovated it on their own too. Like you can look at like, I remember when Bumper to Bumper came out and I was like, this is a better show than build biology. It was in some ways I think Hoonigan understood cars more and what was cool about the car, but you know, they did one key thing better than we did, which was James being a strong host.
Talked about the car, we let people who oftentimes could be really fucking dry and boring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be on camera. Yeah. And that one change was like, oh wow. That's actually pretty impactful.
Also, the fact that we were such already at the time, well always just kind of super core car dudes. Yeah. And we would just speak that internal language.
Yeah. Where Donut did a really good job of opening the door to not as core enthusiast. They were way more top of funnel. We were like way more top of funnel. We
were like kinda deep funnel like down into the weeds. Yeah. Just look
at our titles from that time. It's like one Jay-Z swapped, S13 Shreds the Yard.
What does that mean to somebody? And then some content
we're like, oh, you run a point 82 Hot side. Oh, that's cool. Why didn't you go T four? And like, if you don't know about it, you're like, what the hell are these guys saying? At Point? We were
literally a band you probably don't know of. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, it's a band you probably never heard of.
Like we were that for a while.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, all right guys. We, we are now only one hour behind. We're only one hour behind. It's better. Better than we thought. We're chilling. We're going good. You guys
wanna move into the, we didn't even finish out the, the whole n 24 story, but, uh, nah, we finished. It was pretty good.
I mean, in the end it just didn't end up happening. Vin and I raced some SRO. Well, yeah, we all left tuning
again. Uh, Hyundai was like, Hey, we're still uh, down to do this. We can't pay you a million dollars, but like we could, we're down to do it. And Brian couldn't join. So that's how it kind of ended up that Ron and I got to go racing.
So basically
they got to go race. SRO. This guy got a Pikes Peak record and I got to drive a Santa whatever for six months. You got some Ioniq 5. Good time. Pretty good. Oh, I did get to drive the Ioniq N before anyone else did that up at Laguna, which is cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hyundai's a fun brand to work with, you know?
They're awesome. Love the guys. There's fun. Yeah. Great deal. They're doing really cool stuff.
And the thing I will tell everyone is if you asked me if you would buy a Volkswagen, a new VW over a new Hyundai, I would
buy a new Hyundai. Dude, we had the Elantra ends, which is crazy to say. As a Volkswagen
guy, we had
the Elantra ends, they were sick, great cars.
I actually like all the cars Hyundai makes. Um, you know, people would often ask like, oh, why'd you guys sell the Hyundais? And I was like, well, I sold mine because like, we weren't gonna go racing anymore. And the whole plan was to use them as like. Yeah. Practice cars. Yeah. And I was like, Hyundai is a s like the end line or N 'cause N line is a different thing.
But like the end models are cool for like, I think more entry level people. Like it's not exactly my car, but I support it because I think they're good.
But if you're not building cars and you need something that's great at daily driving, but also you could take to Laguna and throw down a very respectable time.
Yeah. With AC and then drive it all the way back home with no trailer. What other front wheel drive car dude, that dude they rip. They're super, they're super cool. So same
way I wouldn't buy an FL five type R. Right. Is like the same way. If I have to choose like I'm not gonna drive the Elantra end. Yeah.
Like it's not that I think it's a bad car, it's just not really me.
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh, moving into the next pilot. So we did the first one. We did, uh, a nice succinct 30 minutes. And when I say 30 minutes, I mean, whatever that, whatever that thing, it just started blinking as if it knew. But um, yeah. So it's been an hour and a half.
Uh, so now we're gonna do another succinct. 30 minutes. No, keep it tight. Take keep it tight. This is actually, so part of this whole concept for very vehicular is that this is like a launching pad for other shows I want to do. Mm. Shocking, right? What? Shocking. Don't derail. Stay on topic. Let's do it.
[01:30:19] Firing Order: Top 3 Hoonigan Builds Ranked
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So this is called firing order.
Okay. The group assembled right here is called the rotating Assembly. 'cause we will always bring in different groups of people to put together a list. So it's a fucking, these are, it's fucking listicles. Let's go. I told you guys what the topic was. Hopefully you did your homework. Um, it's going to be the top three cars we ever built at Hoonigan.
This does not include Ken cars. Yeah. So it does include like Huna corn and things like that. 'cause that's too hard. Yeah. It's a whole different world. So it's the top three cars we ever built from shit. Car being our first car all the way to whatever was the, the last car. Cool. Um, Ron you can start. Okay.
Uh. I wanna say no particular order, but this is actually kind of in order for me. Donk.
Okay.
Rolls Royce and Indy Truck, the Donk. Because I genuinely feel that the Donk was the most complete build that we did A B, uh, it, it took a bit, but we got there. I feel like B was like we were the only ones that could really do it.
And it sounds super pretentious to say, but like Donut built a donk and Well, they built a bubble and it just Did they? Yeah, they did. It was like a, it was like a whatever, you know, it, it was a thing. They did it after we built our Donk after. Yeah. And uh, I think it showed up to FD at some point. Maybe this is a fever dream, but somebody could back me up on this.
We could look it up. I had never heard of it. Uh, but for us, like confirmed, there we go. So, um, I. You, you spent so much time in the donk world and when I joined on at zero to 60 magazine rides was like the bread and butter. Mm-hmm. And I really started to, you know, understand and respect Donk culture and everything.
So I felt like we had through you an in to do a real actual donk build. A donk story. We all built it together. Like I did the steering column. You were doing suspension, you were grinding on the fender weld. I learned to weld on that project. You learned to weld on that project. All of us came together and then we fired up that big block and just like the, the blower surge that that thing would have Jon Chase hand painted things on the blower belt.
Every time we drove that thing, people would just lose their mind. Big burnouts. We set the brakes on fire. It went to the uk. JP performance had it for a while. For me it was so oddball, but we made it work and we made it part of our identity that like we, we did a 26 inch BBS rep.
That's crazy. Yeah. Donk was a good build.
I I, it's funny 'cause like the Donk's not on my list because I feel so let, let's go through his list first. Yeah. Because
the idea is Let's go through his list. So you got Donk
first? Yep. Donk. And then, uh, rolls is second. The rolls. We made a Rolls Royce. Actually drift and drift. Well, like I got to drive that thing at balcony, like, it, it, it ripped like four people in it.
It would do lap after lap. We did a demo in Atlantic City with that thing. We had that dual handbrake where you could lock the fronts if you could push it forward. And then traditional handbrake pulling back a lot of cool tech on that thing. We went through a lot of motors for whatever dumb reason, but when it worked, that thing was so, so fun.
Uh, and then last one, indy truck is like, to me that was peak collaborating with a company that was doing cool stuff. Honda gave us an indy car motor and their indy car team and resources, and these guys would come and help us, like wire this thing in and we put it in a ridge line, which, yeah, HPD was so cool, man.
They were so cool to work with. And like their designers put down the pencils for designing whatever, like next NSX concept or the next odyssey to help us make the body work for this thing. And we went to the design studio, like, wow. We put an IndyCar engine in a car with their help and Romain Grosjean drove it at thermal.
To me that was a moment of like, dude, this company's like, yo, this is some cowboy shit. As,
as the person who like did the deals. Yeah. Like. When you come up with something as ridiculous as that, that was a crazy idea. And like you pitch it to a company and then they're down. Yeah. You're like, wow. We are like, we're on some shit because you and I teamed
up on that whole project from start to finish.
The
fact that like, you can just go to Honda HPD and be like, yeah, no, we wanna put this in this fucking thing. And they're like into it. And then you, like, they pay you to do it. It was like they had the balls to do
it insane. They put the budget behind it and trusted us and we did it. They, they dictated nothing.
Yeah. They were just like, we just need it to be like a modern chassis and the IndyCar motor and that's it. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. So those are my top three. All right.
So now my mine and your job is to pick the best of his three. He, you can be included 'cause you can, because only one moves
forward. Uh, easy Rolls Royce.
Mm-hmm. So me, I said Donk didn't make it up to my list. Okay. Because I feel personally, uh, let down by the donk because I thought we were gonna use it more, but it really probably only got like seven street miles. Like we never really used it, it never got like mechanically sorted enough.
Okay.
But it was cool.
I love the Donk.
Mm-hmm. So I, I'll tell you this, I hate the Indy car build. Hmm. Oh, Indy truck build. And I'll, I'll tell you why. Me too. Because for me, I feel like that was the ultimate jumping the shark for Hoonigan. I agree. Like, I think that, that I, I, the, as a person who likes to build really crazy things, and I enjoy that.
I, I appreciate the project. I just want to, I really appreciate Honda for trusting us that. Yes. Yeah. But in the end, we built something that the audience could never build. We lost like any level of relatability with the audience, and we couldn't drive,
uh, not only could we not drive it, we could not start it on our own.
It required a warmup sequence that for an Indy car. Yeah. So I agree. Like the Indy truck was sick. Yeah. Like it was an insane flex of us being able to make something like that. Yeah. And it came out really cool looking, but like. In terms of jumping the shark, we built a car that we couldn't drive and couldn't even start.
So we were like, like,
yeah, yeah. It's like Suppy Graham and the boys insane. They did. Did an amazing job on that Honda and like, what was the dude from Honda who helped us? I forget his name. There's so
many.
Yeah, I just wanna shout them all out.
Andrew Salzano. Kelvin. Kelvin. Kelvin, John, John Whiteman. Yeah.
Yeah. Like the whole, like the whole
crew, like everybody was so good and it was such an amazing project and I think if we were like an agency that was hired to build that for Honda, yeah, it would've made a lot of sense. But it was such a, it was far out it, it was such a tangential direction for what Hoonigan kind of was known for doing.
And I know, look, there was an audience that loved the build. Yeah. And I think they really enjoyed it. But when it was done, it was like we built a car that we.
Yeah. Actually, you guys can't drive. You guys. You guys make a great point, and I think from a content side, and you guys are much more builders than I am, right?
I mean, we, we helped through in the internet from a, from a content and builder side. I do agree. Yeah. For me, the pride came from a complete brand side is that this, this company that's started just making Facebook videos and just a handful of t-shirts had the pull to be able Yeah. Work with Honda. It's super sick.
That's where I come from on that in the industry side, but I agree on the content side, in
the industry side of it, it was such a like feather in the hat. Yeah. Right. To be like, we went and worked with Honda Racing, we built this amazing thing and look at how crazy it is and like, who would think to build this.
Yeah. Right? Yeah. Insane. That part of it was good. I think from a brand side, it was a weird, it was a weird place for us. It was weird for us, and, and we, well, we were, we were still, I think we,
we killed it. We killed that project. And that you said earlier that like, we were kind of on a downturn of internal sentiment, right.
At the brand. Yeah. And I think you could feel that through the content. We didn't do a really good service content wise to that because we didn't follow the whole build. We only did eight episodes on that, which really, like, if we had actually cared enough to do a day to day to day, and we were all a lot more involved in it, I think it would've been more of a win.
But it, at the
end of the day, you're right. Still,
still such a sick project though.
Unrelatable to the regular like car person.
All right, so I I, my top in his list is the Donk. Of course, like, yes, I'm connected to, but the roles is also really important for me. I mean, the background of the roles is that that's actually a vehicle that ACP and I built for a Discovery Channel show.
Mm-hmm. That's right. That like had a horrible budget. They fig, they thought we built the whole car in a week. We like thrashed it together. It was classic bad television. Right. I mean it was the era of just bad. Let's just paint it or put a wrap on it so it looks different and sub in somebody else's tire squeals.
Yeah. And we like, we just, we cheated every corner on it. And the fact that we got to like right that wrong later on mm-hmm. Was really, really cool. Cool. To me, of all of the cars that we ever built, like if I had to choose one to keep, like if you're like, Hey, you could have any one of these cars that we built, which one would it be?
Mm, it would probably be the rolls because I think it's the best built thing we built. I'm shocked. Shocked. You didn't say scumbug. Scumbugs on the list. But it's also like the Scumbug's worth like five grand. Like I could put at that, whatever. Yeah. Scumbug has a spot for me, but um, it's an honorable mention, but for me, like the Rolls is probably one of the coolest things we built.
But the donk, we needed the Donk. Like, I don't want to get like, I don't want to get like that, but it was the middle of the pandemic. It was ear, actually I think it was Early pandemic. Early pandemic. We weren't seeing each other. It was the one day of the week that we all got to get together. That's right.
To work on it together. And I feel like it was just, it was this weird out there project. That all of you looked at me being like, we're gonna build what? A hundred percent. And, and it was definitely one of those like, oh, it's another Scotto folly. And it first
showed up and it was brown and the Landau was just gr-oss.
And it had,
remember the wheels it had. We realized that the wheels, oh, we realized that the wheels had, uh, wait, the originals or the, no, no, no, not the originals. We got a set of wheels to throw on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to like rollers. Yeah. And we looked at the design and we realized that the design may or may not have been the Japanese Manji logo, which also happens to be the logo of the Third Reich.
Oh, I don't remember that. You don't remember that? So we took the center caps off. Oh, yes. Yeah. Looked, I remember there was an episode there we looked at, we're like, did anyone ever realize that the wheel design is a Swastika? Holy crap. I love it. I remember that. I love his
New York accent. SWA sticker.
It's like a sticker, right? Yeah, yeah. But um, yeah, so we immediately took the center cast off anyway. Oh my Lord. The, that car, like, I don't know. I just feel like, um, maybe not so much like the, like Yeah. If you were to put the end product next to the rolls, maybe the rolls is better. But for me, the Don was the last.
Peak moment for the crew. Yeah. Like I felt like we all really got back together again. Yeah. Like that was like real vibes. Yeah. Everybody wanted to be there. Like even Hert was like welding, like Yeah. You know, on builds Hert was always the guy we wanted. Yeah. To just kinda stand in the background. But like we were all there.
We were really enjoying each other's time. It felt like, it felt like peak friendship, like of everybody there. Totally. Yeah. That's cool. And then when it was done, we made it ours. Like we built a donk but it very much felt like the Hoonigan Donk. Yeah. It didn't feel like all the other donks that you see at like Yeah.
Mean obviously it's not as nice as the stuff at the shown up the Rick Ross car show, but like, I don't
know. It was pretty top tier,
but it was, it was rad. It was super cool. One off carbon roof, like all that. Yeah. And like at least we beat the shit out of it a few times. I do agree. We didn't drive it enough and that's just, I just
felt personally Hert
We didn't use it more but yeah, I know that car,
that car came out really nice though. Yeah. So like, so for me it would be that. So now you get to choose if you if of, of the Ron pick that moves to the top list. I picked rolls. He picked Donk. You get No, I
picked rolls.
I'm sorry. I picked rolls. You picked Donk.
What? No, I picked Donk. You picked rolls. Yeah. There you go. Sorry. Now I'm confused. Donk. Or rolls for the top? Top. For the top. Top of your list. We'll move it forward. Realize it may repeat itself later. Oh
yeah.
Oh God, that's really hard. Final version. Rolls. Scrolls. Yeah. In the like off white? Yep. Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Because yeah, when you, you were like, oh, you should color match the wheels on it. We did like to the body paint looks the beige, the like beige. The cream cream cream white
was so good. That was so good. All right. Vin?
Uh, top three. All right. Mine is in order, uh, number one favorite car and it is a little bit of a contradiction of what I just said about the Donk, but the 632 Camaro.
Mm. Okay.
I love that car. We got to design it hand in hand with Chevrolet performance. Yeah, and like I think the body kit that we made for it was like pretty serious. Perfectly not internet. It was no wide body. It was like super subtle but aggressive. It was also 3D
printed, which was really early then.
Yeah, now everyone's three 3D printing kits out Coleman,
Lee Coleman for just putting up, that was insane. My god. Worst 3D printing the car would shake the bo the fucking thing loose. But it was early, man. Nobody was 3D kits. Then that car looked cool. It was like understated, but like rad. The engine looked insane.
Like the sound of it was nuts. Like it was, I just loved that car. It was in the SEMA booth with Chevy also and we had the matching 3,500 dually. Oh, that's right. Which was sick. And for anyone who doesn't know. Growing up in my bedroom, I had a picture of a red third gen IROK. Above my bed. You know, you could have just told them you were Italian.
Yeah. You didn't have to go detail there for anyone out there who doesn't know I'm Italian from Queens, so, yeah. Um, so no, I love that car. It was so cool. But again, just another fucking YouTube car that we built and never really got to drive 'cause it sucked. It had too much power. We never dialed into chassis.
I drove, disperse that and I thought I was gonna die.
Also. Uh, third gen Camaro, almost no matter what you do to it is just un unless you're Detroit Speed. Yeah, I was gonna say Detroit speed built a ride. Really good one. Like you are. It's just gonna be a terrible
car. Yeah. We just needed to spend time like dialing it in.
Yeah. But I love that car. Uh, second one's the rolls. Dude rolls. Shout out. Suppy and the boys. Um, crazy. Build carbon floors, fucking cup holders. Like whole the fab work on
the transmission tunnel with like, everything suede and aluminum and like all the stuff they do. So sick art, artwork and chassis and it last, last iteration.
Yeah. Sick wheels. Good
stance. Like the whole thing. Really complete package car. I I like that one a lot. Yeah. Um, although I hate now current day, I hate making things that aren't supposed to be drift cars. Drift cars, like it's over guys don't do it anymore.
But in the era it works. It was cool. Yeah.
Um, third shit car.
Nothing is more fun than a $500 car that we bought off a guy in a trench coat. Yeah. And literally dollar for dollar had the most fun anyone has ever had with a car in history. Like that was. Insane.
It birthed our YouTube brand. Like Hoonigan already existed. Yeah. Shit. Car is what catapulted that. That
car was so fun.
I learned how to do donuts in that car. Mm. Like it much. So many people drove that car so much, much.
Even before we did remember we came home with it in the rain and we were just throwing it as hard as we could in the parking lot just to try to do one with it. I'm like, because it had an open diff and like was barely running.
I don't,
I don't really like, like missile cars. Like I think that era has passed us. But there's something to be said about having a car that means nothing to you. Yeah. And driving it with no remorse. Yeah. Like that man and machine connection of just to the point where respecting the mechanicals to, ugh.
I feel like you were almost kind of chasing that feeling with your free 36 a little later. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like
just no remorse driving it, hard rattle, canning the whole thing. Yellow. It was just so fun. Like shit, car was fun. We had a lot of fun with it. Like some of the best memories of daily transmission were the shit car.
Like shit car is great. Yeah.
I mean shit. Car, uh, July 4th edition
insane.
Was insane. Insane. I go back and I watch that and I think, yeah, this company was never gonna be able to go forward like, like just the reality of how dangerous that all was. I just remember on one kado hanging out the window, like on one
episode.
Hert was just trying to set the airbag off of the sledgehammer, which is the stupid thing thing. I remember
that thing ever like, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's just like, where's
the sensor? It was just like the dumbest time. Yeah. And it was so fun and like, I don't know, shit. Car will live forever in my heart for sure.
As like such a special car.
I, I talked about this with someone else, like the reason why also
that we call it shit car. And we were like, we can't call it shit car. You can't have the name of a car be a curse. He was like, do not call it shit car
and it'll demonetize us. You're like, but it's shit car. So anyway, we're here with shit car today.
Yeah, Donk, whatever. You don't call it shit car. What? Shit Car. Every time it would demonetize us every time. Like, oh we oh fucking shit car. Yeah. Um, but there was something special about shit car because of the time because we tried to revive shit car multiple times. Yeah. And it never worked. And the reason is it's death was the off-road version.
No, but it's not even that. It's death was all the rest. Everyone else getting their own project cars. Mm. Because. At a mo, it was like the neighborhood bicycle there, but there was no other bicycle. Right. Like it was the only car we had to play with. Mm-hmm. Hert had a drift car, but it was always broken.
Yeah. So like shit, car became the car, everyone was allowed to drive, which means that everyone was interested in, in fixing it. Yeah. So like when Adam crashed it and then Hert, crashed it, like we were all like ma kind of mad but like enjoyed them crashing it, but then we all helped pull it back out together.
Right, right. When we finally did the off-road shit car, which I agree was a bad idea. Horrible. But at the time I think like we didn't need another drift car 'cause everybody was building their own drift cars. There were so many, you know, like everyone had, everyone had their own stuff. Exactly. And
it was YouTube so we were just like doing nonsense sake of nonsense dumb stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.
But even then I remember nobody wanted to work on the car. Yeah. In the beginning everybody was down to like stay after hours to figure out why it wasn't working. Yeah. To deal with Bill Caswell for three days as he moved like 97 pounds of wiring in the car.
That car had two, in my opinion, of the most iconic non Ken Hoonigan photos.
The first one. Uh, Vin doing donuts with that like really slow pan in your foot hanging out. Yeah. In the door open no door. And the other one was that sema where we blew up the engine with nitrous and the fireball. Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, I think JR JR. Sang, is that when we had the exhaust
going over the hood?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boso style. Yeah. I don't even know if that's Boso style. That was just, that was just
scumbag
style. Yeah.
That shit was sick. Super iconic.
Alright, so. Rolls has already moved on. So now it's, it's the 6 32 and shit car.
Mm.
What do you what I mean, so what would you pick of those two?
Do you get to keep it or like favorite build out of 632 and shit Car.
Yeah. If we gotta move 'em forward 'cause everyone's gonna get one thing from forward. You have to move shit car forward. It's
just, I I love the 6 32 and the 6 32 was really, really close. Again, another build that Vin and I really closely collabed on. Uh, but the 632 and the rolls kind of live in the same tier and the rolls is just like, just barely a step ahead of it.
I I do, I I do sort of agree
because the roll was like a actual car. Yeah. The, the Camaro never made it past the like No, the YouTube build and then like static display. Yeah. You know,
do you remember, which is sad, but do you remember that glove company was like, we, they were sponsored our stuff. I don't remember what it was.
WWTD doesn't really Yeah. WTD. Yeah. And
they were like, we really need to SEMA car. Oh yeah, I remember. And you were like, you can have Scott's RWB or shit car. And he said it as a joke and they were like, we'll take shit car, dude. And then we told people on Instagram to stand on the roof that they could stand on the car.
And they said that there was such a line of people coming out to just jump on. I don't think
we said it on Instagram. I think we were just walking around. People were like, are shit car really here? And we were like, yeah, go Stand on. Yeah. Like, can we take a picture with those? I was like, go stand on the roof.
Took literally up by
storm. Literal.
There were so many pictures of people just standing top, top of the car and you're like, this is insane. Yeah.
Uh, that was so cool.
All right. Shit. Car moves forward. Um, all right. My list. Um, and I had a variable for the last one 'cause I figured mine would be a little redundant.
No, your show our rules. Three cars. Brian.
Well, but
your show our rules.
This fucking feels like Hoonigan all over, man. This really is, this is your old school fight. All right. So for me, I had the Donk, right? Of course. Donk on the horse course. I knew that would be your top. I had Shart Cart. Oh
yeah.
Shart Cart. And, and, and I'll tell you why. Shart Cart versus shit car is because we lost the plot with shit Car and Shart Cart's still cool right now. Like if I opened this door and we had Shart Cart to go drive in a, like at Apple Valley, be like, yeah, fuck, let's fuck Ryan, you're
good at analogies or, well, both of you guys are, what is the analogy for Shart Cart? Because it is the ugliest, stupidest looking thing ever That's so embarrassing to be seen with.
But driving it. Unparalleled fun.
So, so why? I think, dude,
yes. Yeah. The first time we supercharged it, uh, I remember getting back in my street Evo at the time and thinking that a Boost pipe had popped off and it only dyno'd at 275 to the wheels. Was that after you crashed it? Uh, no. This is the other Evo. No, he is talking about the Miata.
Did you crash the Shart Cart? Oh yeah. I crashed. I crashed. Shit. Shit outta everyone crash. It was so sick. And, uh, that thing was, wait, you also crashed shit car when it had the SR in it, right? Yeah, yeah. First run, yeah. Sick.
Yeah, yeah. Into an rv. Uh, it was Shart Cart was fast. Dude. So fun. It was fast. It super maneuverable and like pretty fucking durable for what it was.
Shart Cart was magical.
Dude. That car was insanely fun to drive. Insanely fun. I just hated looking at it. I,
the thing about that I loved was it went from a car we cared so little about. Yeah. That 200 Miata we hated. Yeah. You did the like, no mercy. No, no, no,
no, no. That's a, that's a, a neutral drop thing. I did the Seesaw burnout.
Seesaw burnout.
Seesaw First gear Reversed. First gear reversed. That was sick
do. Yeah. And then it became sort of not only a hero, but it also became the car that so many people learned to drift on. Yeah. Yeah. Like not just internal people, but like, people would come by and be like, oh yeah, you wanna learn to drive year, wanna learn to drive?
An 8-year-old
learned how to drive manual and then did donuts
like
10 minutes later. Yeah.
Like, it be like it became that car. Yeah. And I know shit, car is more iconic to the fan base, but there's a reality that shit car had like a small window of working properly that we all remember. Mm. But Shart Cart had a longer life.
It's funny actually being a pretty good car.
I, I have such a bad memory that I didn't even remember. Like, it didn't even register on my list, bro. When
you said 632,
I was like, oh, I forgot about that. Uh, that was a great, great build. It sounded really good.
So, which, uh, I wanted, I forgot, man. I thought about this and I forgot to say it just because I love shitting on it, but I was gonna say my two top favorite builds come from the worst time of Hoonigan.
Oh
yeah.
Yeah. 621 was peak. TSS was, was was in it for me. It's really interesting. Yeah. But we won't talk about it. Let's get to Scotto's
list. All right. So dunk. Yeah. Shart cart. And then I had a variable on the last two. 'cause I, because it's just gonna, I knew it was gonna peak, so I'm gonna throw in the variable.
I had rolls on the list. Mm-hmm. It's already move forward. Yeah. So the variable for me was scumbag. Yeah. And scumbag I don't think was a great build by any means, but it, the story was incredible. It, it was a, it was the thing that brought us into the world of telling adventure stories. And I just kind of loved it.
It was a simple, but
also I think Hoonigan, uh, had such a unique way of doing things. 'cause do you remember why we bought that? We had to go. We had to go. Yeah, because we had to go
do a, b, FG story with Bill Caswell. And Bill Caswell didn't show up to the race.
So literally the day before leaving, we were like, this might not happen.
What do we do? So Brian was like, let's, let's buy a car and go drive Baja. Of course. So me and him scour the internet, find a car, go and buy it
in like the hood.
The dude won't show up. He won't come to the door. We're like looking at other ones in front of the, in front of his house. Find another one. Go buy it.
Bring it back. The boys, I think Dan, danger, Dan just started like two days ago. Uhhuh stays all night, welds a fucking light bar to the top of it, and then we take it to Baja. Like, that was such a fun and incredible moment of like. Anything I, 'cause I used to call us like the cockroaches of the industry.
Yeah. In a positive way of like, nothing could kill Hoonigan because it was like. Any problem could come up and we will come up with a solution that on not only works, but it's like pretty good, you know? And like, and then we created this like hero, like impromptu, no creative zero plan meetings before we were literally like, this is what we're gonna fucking do.
And we did it. And then we rewrote a whole idea about what we're gonna do. We went and did it. It was like
steering wheel fell off while driving it. It was crazy. One of
the most fun trips I've ever been on in my life.
Yeah. Yeah. We found that amazing spot south of, um, San Felipe on the water. Like, which I, I'll tell the very quick story.
I thought there was whales. Do you remember that?
No. Zac
thought, remember story? I was like, is there a whale outside? Sounds like a whale. And it was Zac's snoring. No, no, no. This is your remembering opposite. It was Memo snoring. Oh my god. Oh
my god. Dude, it was so that trip, scumbag, scumbag rules.
Scumbag for the scumbag for the feels.
Yeah. Like, like I, even though I did it, I always enjoyed driving it, but like it was whatever of a car. But yeah, it was
a very acquired taste to, to drive. Alright, so is a shitty, you guys,
you guys get to pick from that group. Donk, shart cart scumbag. What moves forward? scum bug. Oh, I thought wait, where'd rolls go?
Well, rolls is already on on. Okay. Oh, rolls and shit. Car have already moved into the finals. Ah, okay. Hey Ron. Each one of us move one forward. Ron, did you ever watch
um, the show we made on Hoonigan called Circle Jerks? I did. Yeah. That was for anyone out there, OG viewers. Uh, OG viewers. Uh, we had a game called Circle Jerks.
You remember it? It had a rule book that made literally no sense 12,000
we're, we're into that right now. 'cause you're like, what car moves forward and we don't even know what move forward is. It all makes
sense here. Okay. I will repeat this and we're, this is gonna, we're gonna have an onscreen graphic for this.
I may just be really dumb. Onscreen graphic. Same Ron from Ron's list. The rolls moved forward from Vinny's lift list Shit car moved forward. Okay. And now this is my list. It makes total sense. The Donk, Shart Cart and scumbag. Mm-hmm. You guys get to the fight over which one you think should move forward. Oh, okay.
I'll have my input on it. Okay. So does Don move forward to Shart Cart move forward or does SCUMBAG move forward And I think you also have to look at the total list rolls and shit. Car are already on the list.
Yeah. I mean for me it's Donk. Yeah. I would go scumbag just for, I think that it was just a really fun time at the brand.
I think Donk was definitely a way better build. I mean they're like, it's like comparing it apples and like raisins, but I hate raisins.
Yeah.
Do you like raisins and oatmeal cookies? No, man. Two things that should change in the world is raisins and chocolate chips, swap places. Yeah, I'm backing that. Yeah.
In every situation. Yeah,
in every situation. Imagine how good like brand flakes or corn flakes, whatever the one is that so much better. So much Anything with chocolate chip. So
much better. The another one is like walnuts should go fuck itself in, in banana bread.
Yeah. I'm alright with that. I'm alright.
I'm
less mad at that More until they're
raisin. Yeah. I could go either way without that, but sometimes you get a really good walnut and it just kind of falls apart. It's It's not bad. Yeah, it's not bad. This is the podcast roast but now it's roast, you know what's dope And banana bread. Chocolate.
Chocolate chips. Yo. So much better. So much better. Let's go. Okay, so by the way, this is another pod. This real, we should forget. Forget firing orders. A spinoff hungry right now, by the way. Oh my God. Just that alone. It's not snack break, it's just snack the pod.
Yeah. And I think it's cool 'cause we could do like food stuff with literally.
Absolutely. This is a great eating table. Yeah. Just no sort of, you know, experience or credibility in the space or anything. Oh and the
food
space. Zero.
Look at Action Bronson. What Other than eating, what experience is he? I guess he was a chef. Oh he was a chef. He was a chef
before he was a rapper I think.
Oh
well. Anyway, that idea's out. So you guys are gonna, you everyone's Donk is what we're moving forward. Yeah, let's do that. That's my vote. Okay, so we're re-looking at the list now. Do we feel good about top three? We have to order them still, but rolls shit. Car and donk. These are the greatest cars. Yeah.
Hoonigan ever built. Yeah. That So we're not thinking that maybe somebody had something else on their list. A hundred percent
because shit car is a very low budget car, like scumbag. But shit Car did more for the brand than Scumbag did. Yeah. So it deserves its place, the list totally. As being a shitty car.
Totally.
Yeah. It's like, uh, there's so many different metrics to go by too. Yeah. Like what's a great build? What moved the brand forward? What was the most fun to drive? But I guess if we're talking overall, then I'm pretty happy with that list.
So now let's order
them. Rank 'em rolls. Donk
Shit Car
in that with which in that order.
Yeah. Rolls. Donk Shit Car honestly Rolls being number one. Yeah. Yeah. Shart Cart being number two. No, no, no. Rolls
Donk shit car.
Okay. So Rolls being number one. Donk being number two. Shit. Car being number three.
Yeah,
I'm with that. I don't think shit
car could be higher on the list, but it deserves to be on the list.
Yes. I mean, we built dozens of cars and it's on the list, which is cool, but it was a shitty build.
I hate that. I agree.
It's, I thought this would
be
more of a fight, but this is a problem. It's brand stat is all the way out here, but every other stat on shit car is like.
Yeah, because every, like, the roles was like Suppy and the team flexing, building a crazy thing.
Yeah. The donk was like internal sentiment. Great. Yeah. And then the shit car, like put us on the map. Yeah. Like those are, that's a good fucking, like, it covers all spectrum. Yeah. Is there
anything missing? I'm gonna just throw a couple like cars out there that we didn't talk about. Knuckle busters. E36.
Always ugly. Always was ugly, but definitely was a car that got driven a bunch. My favorite to drive. If I had to do like a driving
event, you know, tomorrow I would, I would drive that thing,
that car ruled. It was cool. It was one of our first like, big projects as a brand to do with a big paying partner to like do marketing, like, you know Yeah.
For the cylinder heads and stuff. I just, it it to me, like the car never was styled well. Mm-hmm. It wasn't ever like over the top cool.
Mm-hmm.
You know, but it was like, it was a cool car like Ron said. I mean we went to that event in, uh, Atlantic City and dude put 6,000 laps. Oh man, that was a great day.
That was good. That was a great day. Day. Great car rules. I mean, driving an LS E36 drift car. Fucking awesome. The
lightning was always a shit box. Oh. Never. The lightning looked cool but sucked. Look cool. But the suspension sorted. It was a cool idea
else. Uh,
we built
a couple really cool cars.
Um, you know what's so funny?
That's such a crazy build that we did, but the three of us were so disconnected from it. Warthog.
Yeah. I mean Warthog was cool, but it felt more like that was full corporate. It felt like white label, like commission corporate. Yeah. I never drove it. I dunno if you guys it. I did. I
didn't like that build at all except for the fab work.
Like I was look at Fab, working
is sick, amazing body work, the plexiglass molded shield, like the ammo boxes and everything. That was great. But super disconnected. Yeah.
Um, Coalmaro next, uh, go pick that up to Jose's Shop.
Literally out of all Hoonigan builds right now we are closest to Coalmaro I forget geographically.
I
forget that. I own Coalmaro It's
crazy.
I always say I got you own it
for the
motor. But I got, I yeah, but I got in the divorce. They didn't know what to do with it when I took it. And by way divorce from the
company, not the, not his wife. Yeah. I said
divorce on a episode, a YouTube episode with Vinny where I also talked about PornHub and everybody was like, bro, I'm so sorry to hear about you and Ashley.
I was like, wait, what? What did she post something?
Literally, literally everyone was like, damn, I didn't know Brian got divorced. Like, oh my God. It
was like, no, I meant the divorce from the company. 'cause it feels like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like it feels like a divorce. Like when you have kids where like, I I, it's still gonna be a part of my life.
I mean, I'm sure there's Hoonigan getting something in the background, but like it always is there. It, I'm always gonna be a part of it. What else did we build? All right man. This is a good ranking by the way. I do wanna point out, we have crossed the two hour mark. Nice. Congratulations. We should start wrapping it up.
People are gonna start, wrap it up. Wrapping up. People
are
not gonna listen anymore. All right. So. Um, this was like an okay launch for firing order, but the problem is, is we all have two similar tastes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I feel like you wanted a good fight. I wanted a good fight. And it's like, can't, like we, we can fight over nuance and nobody wants to listen to them.
No. Like, we could fight over. Which way to like, like we could fight over different versions of BBS mesh wheels. Yeah. Like just that, just ranking
meses. Even then I think Vin and I would be aligned. You would be, uh, although I don't know. No, we're not gonna get into it. What's the top one for you?
Just real quick, talk
I don't wanna talk. Uh, no would be an RS man. It's the OG, yeah.
Yeah. That, I think those too, to be, that looks better. I mean, yeah.
Stylistically like Evo sevens are are type, but you know, the RS is but that's only
because everybody did the shit out of the E88. Yeah. We're too similar. You guys won't be invited back for the show, but thanks for helping me pilot that part.
That's cool. Um,
[02:03:40] Good Cop, Bad Cop: Marketplace Finds
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so the next one is Good Cop. Bad Cop. Good Cop. Bad Cop is a show that Vinny and I have talked about forever because the one thing Vinny and I don't agree on is what a good buy is in terms of cars. Yeah. Hundred percent. We have similar style. There's, we own realize Vinny has an 911. I have an 911.
Vinny has a 360, I have a 360. Vinny has Ford trucks. I have Ford trucks.
So we
both have station wagons. We both
have station wagons. Wildly different from each. We both. But when like, but when we both
sort of have muscle cars, like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. We have very, very similar groupings. Like our garages would look well other than his is like clean.
Um, but when it comes to the nuance of which car would you start with is completely that. So, so I don't know if we've got enough time, uh, to do everyone. And I, you guys didn't, I, I, I wanted this to be a surprise. I wanted to be like, go in and pull up your saved cars on Marketplace. But then you found out
that me and Ron don't save cars on my list.
And then I found out that you
don't save on marketplace. I is. Which interesting. No, I save parts I think mostly, but
Oh, maybe I, maybe I don't. Hold on. We'll
see. Is that because you're not as much of a marketplace to generate as I am. That I'm at 25 cars
still, I'm so beyond stupid that most of the cars that I'm into aren't even on marketplace.
It's on like rally cars for you or, you know, racecars.cz. Like it's, it's so beyond unrealistic. Um, yeah. I don't my guy save anything. Okay. The f Okay. Okay. Let's try this real quick. What's the first thing that pops up on marketplace for you right now,
bro?
Front page marketplace. What this is, how does it look like?
Algo
knows me. A Mitsubishi Mighty Max.
Oh wow. All right. Mine is, uh, mid-century chairs a 911 Turbo and Volt E37. Okay. So mine
for some really bizarre reason, I don't know why. A 1986 Pontiac F50, uh, it's an F50 Kited. Fiero say, not anything I've ever looked for. E92, M3, because I really, really missed mine.
Well, me, me and Ron's are, and a 200 series. Me and Ron's are kind of oddly
similar
by the way. Uh, I have always wanted a mighty max 'cause I've always wanted to put a. I've always wanted to put a Mitsubishi uh Evo Drive, train in a mighty max.
Shut up and show us your depraved marketplace.
Okay, this is like not planned.
This is just sort of the last three things. Your rep, this is the last three things I saved. So here's the game. I tell you what it is. I tell you what the price is. I show you the photos. You guys decide whether or not cop, it's gonna be a bad cop or it's gonna be a bad cop. Cop. Come on, show us. And by the way, for those who don't know the word cop, like maybe
means like to buy, to buy or to get to pick it up.
A cop
like a good cop. All saved items. Okay. This one might surprise you guys,
which is funny. Naming something after something that like, like Tri-State says and no one else. Yeah, yeah. My whole life
is naming things after like a nine mile radius of queens. Okay. So this one might be a little surprising to you guys 'cause you know, I'm not a big BMW guy, but I've always had a good cop.
Super, super sweet, sweet spot for this. We have here. We have no idea what this is. We have here can, I
guess. Yeah, it's a 2002.
No, but that is a BMW I like my, my BMW list is pretty short. Guess in 2002 round lights is one. Yeah. Eight series is another one. Okay. Okay. But this is the other one. And this is a car that came out when I was in college and I remember like going to clown shoe.
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
Clown shoe. $2000, $32,000. Um, I
just bid on one of these the other day.
Cosmo over Imola interior 90,000 miles, too much money. One of 13 in its configuration. Of course. Yeah. It's fucking, it's got all the bullshit in here. Um, it's too
much money. 32 grand's too much. I would say that's a good buy at like 25 because it's S 52 car, so it's
Why, why do you think that this car stopped going up in value?
Because like, I thought that this was gonna be one of those cars that was gonna hit, bring a trailer at like 50, 60, but it just sort of stopped after. So I, so many vari, so
many variations of M three exist, so I, so many special variants.
Yeah. So I just saw one, I just bid on it the other day. It was red on red S 54 powered car.
Mm-hmm. And I was like, fuck, this thing's gonna go for like a, like super, I thought it was like a hundred thousand dollars car. I didn't do any research on it. And it was at like 32 grand with like 10 minutes to go. So I was like, damn, if I get this for 35 grand, I'm buying this thing. It sold for like 44, but I thought the same thing.
I was like, wow, I thought these go for like so much more money. And they have it, but they're like, they're beautiful. Mm-hmm. They're like, cool. But I don't know why they're, I think because they, they're like a weird hybrid, like you said, like there's so many generations at M three, so that car has an E 36 front end and like an E 30 rear end.
So I don't think they're the greatest, like driving. But I think you're,
you, you might be looking into it a little bit too much too. Is that like values of a car that. Clown shoe is a car guy's grail car. Whereas there are so many other cars that are like more like up here. Car guy. Yeah. And some of those guys that have a ton of money, they'll look at that and be like, oh, that looks weird.
But also, I guess they have gone up a lot. 'cause I almost bought a clown shoe in really good shape back when I lived in Santa Monica's like 2015-16. Yeah. Uh, for like 12,000 bucks. I just feel like it's so, like, they were really cheap. I feel like it
became a forgotten car though. Yeah. Agree. Because when I was younger, I thought like, that's gonna be a cost.
It it is. It's a little weird
though. They break my neck every time I see it. They're beautiful.
Yeah.
They're so cool.
Yeah. So that, so but at the price, that would be a bad cop for you.
Yeah, that's a, like in today's market, I think like mid twenties for, for that car. I think they, I mean, but like, also for someone like you, it doesn't matter because you're gonna buy it and keep it until, you know, 600 years old.
Maintenance records, seats not, not a super unique color. Willing to
trade for an aircooled Porsche. This dude is fucking delulu. Wow. Wow. On the, on the path. Yeah. I'm sure you're willing. Yeah. All right. All right. That was a, that so bad cop, but like boldly got a bad cop Me. Medium cop. Medium cop. Yeah. Medium cop.
Okay. Little price. Yeah. Good. Good intention. Little bit too expensive. Rough you
up a little bit. Protect your head on the way into the patrol car. Yeah, for sure. All right. Next up. 1990. Porsche 944. It's a manual non turbo. Back up, but it's a convertible. Oh, worst cop.
Wait, they made that?
Yeah. That's kind of terrible.
One of the reasons why. Terrible. They saved it.
Hmm. How much is it, does it run?
It's 6,000 bucks and it, it runs and drives too much. It's six, so, okay. Okay. Here's the thing. A clutch job is gonna cost as much as that
car does. That car posted to a day ago.
If you buy it and drive it until it breaks down and you could afford to just leave it where it is and then sell it for whatever someone will give you at that moment, it'd probably be really cool to cruise.
Let me hit you with some stats here real quick. Remember when we were at
Shoe Works and we just looked at the engine bay of one of those and we were like the yellow
one.
They did what? Like why, why, what did they do? Isn't that half of a V 10 or something? There was like, it's something just so
dumb, but you'll see like some new tech and something that looked like it came from World War ii.
Yeah. And you're like, I don't it a truck motor for sure. Yeah, just
three
liter,
uh, four cylinder. Alright, let me, let me run you through a couple details here though. 124,000 miles, right? It's mostly been in a warehouse driven occasionally for the past six years or so, and it has spent almost its entire life from the original.
This guy is second owner.
Okay, let me, hold
on. Hold on. Go. Original owner, uh, has had it in Palm Springs since new, um. And yeah, I, I, and there's one, and the interior is a little rough because there's
one glaring item that stood out to me the second you turned your phone around. And this screams, don't buy this car.
Mm. Let me guess. Didn't clean it
has a flat tire. Mm-hmm. Like you're telling me that you have maintenance records on this car, but your lazy ass couldn't put air in the tire for the photo that screams. Like, that's pretty, I didn't take care of this car. Yeah. Yeah. It's such an easy thing. Yeah. Even if it has a leak, fill it up.
Just photo. Take a picture. They'd even clean it. It looks, it looks super uncared for, yeah. And like I think if you buy a well-kept 944 and you could like somehow keep it running, that's great. But I feel like buying a neglected one is like, oof. That's gonna be a bad time.
Three years ago, I would've never have thought about buying a convertible.
But now like I, without the farm, I kind of want a convertible just to cruise around. Oh. You
know, I tried to convince Vin this of the other day. I was
like an anticon convertible sports car
guy. Yeah. I think one of the best buys for a cruiser that you could do right now today is an E93. Oh yeah. Yeah. A convertible.
E92 M3. Oh yeah. You get a sick motor, a car that rides really well, you get a drop top and they're like 15 grand. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy how
much car you get for a car that the motor is 15. First, when you said nine, I just heard nine three and I'm like, bro, Saab '93. Saab '93 convertibles go hard.
I, I, as I get older I think, they're really cool. I think
convertibles are cool. I just have one big problem with them, which is, except for 911 convertibles. 911 convertibles shouldn't exist. It seems. It's a sin. It's a sin put on. It looks like a bathtub also. I just hate the sun. Like my biggest nightmare is like in California is like sitting in traffic in a convertible.
Like just you'd be, your skin would melt off. I just think, but my mom's got a E46, uh oh yeah, three. I rolled that thing. Three convertible. Yeah. Yeah. And dude, it's so fun in New York 'cause it's like cloudy and nice all the time. Oh, that's cool. With the top down and shit. Yeah.
And the BBS boys have really like, kind of put me onto convertible.
E46, yo. E46. E36.
E30 E, E30 Vert Yeah. Kind of thing. It's kind of hardy hard. Yeah.
All right. This is the last one on my list of three. Um, I don't even really remember saving this, but, uh, it's a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Mr. Good cop. It's $4,500. What? Oh God. Evo 10. Oh this,
eh,
okay. But here's the thought.
Donate. Donate the 4G six four to Ron or put in the money max backup
or
put in the
mighty max. But my thought was, and I don't know how bad the hit is, but why is
this man showing us a total card? I'll tell
you why. I'll tell you. I'll tell you why. 'cause I've always thought these would make, especially the mr because the MR is, oh, I know.
Camera car. Camera car. Yeah. I always thought this. 'cause it's got like the dual clutch trans. Oh. It would make you just reignited this fire and you could take the whole, I could take the whole front end off and basically just tube out the front. Yeah. And then just make the whole thing look ugly as all hell.
Basically. Shart Cart basically. I basically drive all wheel
drive Shart Cart. I always, one of my biggest regrets is not pushing for like getting a '02 WRX and all-wheel drive Shart carting, something like that. Yeah. I think that would And basic Shart cart one's
a bad cop. Aren't those like 10 grand complete?
Yeah,
they're,
yeah.
No one wants this's
4,500 bucks. No one
wants tens. It's crazy. That's
why you could cut the body off and it's okay. Yeah. It's
so insane that like the EVO 10 is just, just never happened.
How quickly it lost its way. Yeah. Although Kwan across the way one through nine
says that his, he's like the Evo ten's the best car, the best Evo ever made.
Oh. As a daily driver. It's great. It's a lot more comfortable. Like a lot. But look at it. Just look at them. Sorry. Evo 10 owners. Yeah,
I remember when. I
love
it. For you, but not
for us. Yeah. I remember when it came out. Like, it was such a diff, I remember like going to the press launch for it. Mm-hmm. And I was the biggest Evo nine fan.
Yeah. Like, it was just like, anytime it was available in the press fleet, I'd call MO and be like, Hey, can I get it? Can I borrow it? Mm-hmm. Can I use it? Can I do this with it? Whatever. And when the 10 came out, I remember everyone on the press launch was just like, what'd you do? Like, yeah. What happened?
What, what, what happened? Yeah. They're like, but look at how much nicer the dash is. The seats are cool. We made fun of it, but we didn't want you to change everything else. And I remember
Mitsubishi was like, but it's a second faster around the same track with the sa, you know, versus a 9 RS. It's like, don't care.
Yeah. Yeah. It just didn't have the drive characteristic. Literally. That was the beginning of like, but it's faster. And we're like, but we don't care. No one cares. So
there's an argument. Is that the end of like, does that car fit into Drivers Era for you guys? The 10 or the nine? The 10. I think it's technically in the late two thousands.
But is that the No. Is it.
I, I think it, it gets like a cliff. It's a weird pass. 'cause it doesn't have that much tech. It's just like no one likes it.
I I think it's the beginning of the wrong path.
Yeah. I
agree. Right, right, right.
And that like yeah, like heavy.
Right. Even the oh eight STI hatch was the beginning of the wrong path of like, numbing it down, making it more luxurious.
Making it more comfortable. Yeah. It's like people didn't buy your car. You liked the Evo because it was a shit box. Yeah. They weren't cross shopping it with a M3 at the time. You know, like you get an M3 because you, you want something that's nice, flexy great leather, you get an EVO nine 'cause it's raw.
Dude, I, I went
back to, back when I was younger, I had a STI and then I a daily driver car. So I had a STI and then I had a E46 M3. Mm-hmm. And then I got an evo and then I sold it and bought an EVO nine. And it's like, it was the hardest thing to decide. Yeah. Because you're like, all right, the STI is kind of crummy.
I want a nicer car. Mm-hmm. Got an E46 M3, and then you're like, I miss having that thing. And then you get an EVO nine and, and you're like, well, Evo 9 kind is, is a huge pile of shit too. But like, they offer such a different experience. Yeah. And like, yeah, you're right. Like there's no blend. Yeah.
Like there's no real like blend I guess like stripping out any, and they tried, they tried to blend it and that's where it all goes wrong. Yeah. Like, don't try to make a lancer nice. Yeah. You know, embrace it. Don't, don't make it for what it's not. Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway. All right. Well, I don't know. You guys got anything else?
We're, we're only nine minutes shy of, uh, how do you,
where is there a 9 oh 9 minutes shy. How are you figuring that out? Nine minutes
shy of, uh, two and a half hours is the craziest thing about this, bro. I'm telling you. It's, it's like secret code. Code that's, yeah, that's code. I'm using the same like encryption that like won us those second World war so that you guys don't know allow.
Do we need a, how long you been here for? Do we need a Navajo in? Does it, does it feel like you've been here for two and a half hours? No, I mean, my stomach says you are rolling famished hungry. Alright. Um, I, you guys, anything else?
I mean, we could obviously go for hours, but I feel like what I, I'm only not saying something because I know it'll set off another like two hour tangent.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good stopping point. This is fun. I would love to come back and just explore any other topic. No. Well, you guys are been great. You guys, you guys are always welcome back. Which food Next time though? I need snacks.
No, I know, but then like you get everyone talking. Yeah. It becomes a muck bang.
Like, um, nobody wants that. So. Yeah. Also if there's snacks, I eat the whole time.
What's that? Can I throw one out there? Yeah. All right. Of your top three ranking from firing order, each of you has to take one of those cars across the country. Who's driving what?
None. None. Literally taking nothing we ever Hold on on, what was that list
again?
So I think you had obviously Donk, I think the rolls Rolls Donk. And, and the rolls. Is country a full race
car? Yeah. Fix. Okay. So fix backs like super. The, the Donk at least has like a bench seat. Lemme on, lemme set this. So the question of them,
they're gonna break down in Riverside. Here. Just take a
None of 'em are making it.
La Okay. So better, better, better. Okay. So the question from Nick, our producer, was, if we had to pick one of the cars in the top three, which one would we drive? Cross country. If you had, like you have, do you have to pick one? Which one would it be? Uh, it probably, and you all said none
for me. It, it would be the donk because we put air conditioning in it and it has like a big bench seat.
Yeah. So it's probably most comfortable. But driving that thing would be like, white knuckle 6,000. You'd be going 40 miles an hour the whole time. You would be driving like a sixties movie.
Yeah. Like there's so much steering involved. It just go straight. Yeah. It'd be so scary. Okay.
So of all the cars we ever built, we have to leave right now.
We gotta be in New York in four days. Which car would you take? So easy.
So easy. Uh.
The RS3 giveaway car. Oh,
that's the
cheap, I was gonna say the C eight.
Yeah. C8 SEMA bill. The SEMA C8 build. SEMA C8 build, Easy Nah,
that's it. SEMA C8 didn't give us any bill's. SEMA C8. Those were built, they were build Channel
Finn and I put that thing on.
Its fucking nuts. The KW suspension was so early in the development on that, that we had to cut out the bump stops.
Yeah. Yo, you guys ruined that car. No, I was just, I was actually just
thinking about that the other day. Uh, that it was like the funniest, like weirdest flex. But we took this brand new Corvette with like 10 miles on it.
Yeah. To the track. Ron blew it up, and then we
together, and then we, I happened to be in the car on the, the event, event happening,
but then we just left it there just on the grass at Button Willow for weeks. And people were like, texting me. We're like, yo, is your Corvette here? And I'm like, yeah, we're gonna pick it up soon.
Yeah. Eventually
you
realized that
that was, then you took it to the dealer and Vin with his never ending charm got us a warranty.
No, the
the, the
dude at the dealer was so cool. Yeah, because I was like, Hey, you, they apparently warrantied
a bunch of,
we were just driving on the freeway and whatever, and he was like, it looks like it was on the track.
I was like, nah. He was like, no, really? We don't give a shit. Like it's a Corvette. Yeah. It shouldn't blow up regardless. Yeah. And I was like, oh yeah, we were tracking it.
You know, the funny thing about that car, I thought I was gonna die in that way. That was my car. I know it was my car. And then when the company sold.
Somebody, I won't say na, I won't name names. Forgot to put that car on an owner's list. So it then became the company car. It became the company, it became Wheel Pros Car. Yeah. Even though like it was given to me by Mobil one as like an influencer deal and then like, and after that I hated it so much that that's why I was like, you guys could just
ruin it.
I think out of all the cars at Hoonigan ever, that's the one I had the most miles in. 'cause I used it as like a company car to go out and do the Gymkhana test with Travis and then track days for daily driving.
For me it was the Ford F450. I drove the shit outta that thing because I was always towing in with it, moving with it.
It even after I left the company, I was still borrow it to like move my stuff out and all of that. The other one was the, uh, was the BRZ. The
BRZ
was the BRZ was a good driver. I still this, I think that one of the best
builds we ever did was um, you know, TJ Hunt came out with the Street Hunter's body kit.
Yeah. For it. And our team just did such a good job at installing the front lip with double-sided tape. And literally Ron drove the car home and just ran over the front lip.
I was on the 605 pre-pro lip and it start one of one, they hand-delivered it and I start driving and all of a sudden the car's like.
And I just see splinters behind me on the 605 freeway. And I was like
front lip installed with zero hardware. Just double side of tape? Nope.
Zero screws, zero bolts. Just 3M tape for an arrow piece on the front of the car. That shit was so sick.
All right, so I'm not gonna cheat. I'm just gonna take an actual build.
Not something that was, but it's
just like what you would do in like a dream life
of all the cars. The one I would drive across country scumbag.
Oh God. Here's why I could totally see that guy. But we drove. He would just like enjoy it. Yeah,
we drove it a thousand miles in Baja and made it so at least I know it would make it.
You would get, I don't
wanna make it. You would, I wanna drive. Someone's gonna overheat
and blow up and then I get to take a plane. You would get plane, your shin
sandblasted from road grit. You could see the road through the firewall, uh, in the footwell. Yeah, sign me up.
RS3 giveaway
card. Our trip in that big cross country, i I road trip that from Utah with you, you were in the, the whatever.
Teal Simpsons. Audi Simpsons. Audi,
Audi 200.
Oh God. And I 20 valve dude, it was turbo Quattro font. It was so on it and, and I was just like chilling in ac bunch of
power, just doing pulls and pulls. Brian is like getting secondhand smoke from just like the cigarettes in No, no. It had a fuel leak. Genuinely. Not only exhaust leak too.
It had an exhaust leak and the shifter boot was missing. So exhaust was going into the cabin. I was getting dizzy at this point and it was like 115 We would pull over. You have to be like high on fumes to think that thing's cool. And, and we would get, we would get to the gas station and Scotto, it would be like, oh God, I'm falling apart.
I'm like, don't say, do you wanna drive the r? Don't say, I was like. Do you wanna drive the RS3? Man? He is like, nah, no. 'cause like when you do get on it, you could hear the turbo like really good.
By the way, can, can I
say that a highlight for me? A highlight at Hoonigan was when we did a space race at TSS mm-hmm.
Versus Hert's, JZX. Mm-hmm. And I smoked him in that thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'cause he was, he just didn't know that it was gonna be fast. Right.
Hert's never, Hert's never gonna listen to this, but I hope that someone just clips that out and sends it to him. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. And then, because he'll be so annoyed.
But then he was annoyed, but then I did donuts in it and he was like, I didn't know this. He said to me, I didn't know this. Remember that could do cool things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I didn't know I could do cool things.
Yeah.
[02:24:36] What Did You Drive Today?
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You guys drive anything cool today? I mean, we had a whole conversation earlier about how you have to drive the cool car.
It's, it's California. There's no reason not to. What'd you drive? Uh, I drove my daily driver Lancia Delta Integrale Is it really
your daily, because every time I see you on the daily off road, you driving the Lexus. I'm just saying. All right. True.
I, I don't know. I think our
crew, you do drive it a lot. I think our crew drives
most of our fun
cars pretty much every day.
Yeah. I drive
it as much as humanly possible. I, I have a lot of seat time in it.
What'd you bring today? I brought an oddball one that I think you'll like. Uh, I drove my dad's 1970 Chevelle. Which I'm doing like a full rehab on. This is
one of my favorite builds that you're doing. Just 'cause it's such a like, feel good dude.
I you're,
you're like a muscle car dude. Uh, I grew up. You fit really well. I grew up loving this car 'cause it's what my dad's always wanted. I shipped it out to California a couple months ago and I did not drive it a single mile 'cause it looks so goofy. But now I redid the whole chassis and it's like slammed with good fitment.
Yeah. Like wheel and tire package. And I've been driving it a ton. Does it make you wanna buy
another muscle car? No.
Really? No.
I loved Muscle Car Vinny or Muscle Truck? Vinny,
I. It's the space thing. If I had space for another car, I'd get another patina like muscle car just to fart around town, like driving to and from the shop.
Cool. Yeah. It's, but otherwise, I like
sports cars. It's such a niche thing because a sports car you'll cruise, you'll take to the mountains. You could take to a track day where this is a, like, it's only purpose is block cruising.
Yeah. Like muscle cars to me are like, I didn't even like being on the freeway on it, but like, yeah,
bro, you remember that freeway run?
You and I did. Dude must have boy
probably did like a yo We did, we were r revving it out. We probably did a 40 to 66 pull. It was like, it was like 13 seconds, but it was sick. I mean that one
Altima passed us, but like, yeah. And then we, then the cop passed us too. This, this power tour? No, no, this was on the 405.
It was, it was gonna get tacos.
C10 verse Nova Pre
Nova, pretty big motor nova. When I just had to beat up 454. He had a 454.
I had a 468 combined probably. It was so much noise. Yeah. Combined, we probably made 400 wheels
rolling thunder and basically at the speed of like, I don't know. Traffic. Traffic.
Yeah. Pretty much. A lot of noise though. Lot of noise. Yeah.
'70s Chevelle though, man. It's so sick. I I love muscle cars though. They're so cool. It's really, it's cherry too. Yeah.
Oh boys. Well, hey, it's nice to have you guys on. Great to be here, man. Yeah. Yeah. Good to chat. Now the next one. It happened with the boys.
I feel like the next one though, it's like this was a, this was a memory lane one. I feel like next time we got, we leave that all in the past. It's gotta be like new shit. Okay.
You know, you know what you owe what some people from my audience is, uh, the pod we said we'd do about your cq. We could keep going right now if you want.
No, I actually had to be home literally an hour ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I told you that yesterday and we started early. Oh my God. And we still blew it. Yeah. Yeah.
Alright, let's, let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. Um, again, want to thank all of the partners. Uh, you guys don't even know a bunch of partners.
Dude.
Congrats on getting partners.
Yeah. Heatwave is definitely one of them. Heatwave does some really cool stuff. FCP Euro. Um, vi Shout out Vyper. Uh, I'm actually sitting on a Vyper chair right now. They're building. Next time you guys come, you won't have these crappy Eames. Yeah. Herman Miller Aeron chairs.
You will be able to sit on a nice, oh, we have a,
we have a Vyper chair. Well, it's Vin's Vyper chair in our shop. Yeah, it's great. Do you have the big butt? Uh uh No. Maybe. No. I got a small, the big I got, I got a small butt though. It's the most time I have of anything. Dude, I don't
even get up. Like, most times I like will literally go from the toolbox to like the other side of the car by just, we, we'll have
conversations and I'm just doing donuts in it.
The Vyper chair's sick. It's so good. They gotta, I
honestly think they need to start like putting shittier bearings in their wheels 'cause they like roll too good.
Yeah. I've noticed a hand break. You just start kind of drifting away while you're scrolling and all of a sudden you're on the other side of the shop, dude.
And my, my
garage isn't even, I have to like wheel chock it 'cause it like will just roll too much.
They're also like a great, uh, group of dudes. Yeah. Like, I just like them like, they're like, they were fun when they went during the Hoonigan days, but even now, like when I talk to 'em, like they're just stoked.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like cool to like work with people. I mean, it's like I said about
FCP euros, like I did my Mark ii GTI build there and I was like, it felt like being at Old Hoonigan, I was like, it's just a group of like good dudes and girls like hanging out, doing something they love and like doing cool stuff and like that is such a.
Important part of it all, you know, because it's like, I wanna support companies that are just like people like me doing crap. You know? Well, not only that, but
I, I mean, FCP did facilitate the greatest trip that I feel. Yeah. The three of us ever had our, oh yeah. Car abroad. Car Canyon abroad. Yeah, car
abroad was,
and then Heatwave.
I mean, Justin is a, oh my god,
Justin is living the life I thought I was gonna live Beast
of a driver.
Yeah. No, he's such a sick lineup. Has weird cars, which I like weird cars I like about him. But sick cars, he's got a trans
Am with a sequential track day is an old nascar. Yeah. Spec Miata. Spec Miata, yeah.
Has a GT3 RS sick house. Yeah. Like he's just Justin rules bro. And all he does
is like post videos of him trying to land RC planes in his pool. He has like an RCC plane. Yeah. And he tries to land it in his pool. His life is,
his life is
goals. Absolutely.
It's, it's pretty sick. I, I knew and we've
known them since like the beginning, so it's really cool.
And they've always
supported us. Yeah. Yeah. And those dude, he, he pulled one of the coolest things that ever happened at this versus that, which he knew he was gonna lose. So he, we uh, we offered him cars and instead of taking cars, he said, Le Mans star, LA star. That
was, that was game changer. That was Epic game.
Like he
added an athletic element to it and it, and he clearly had practiced it, like, 'cause he was
so smooth through the window of the car. Our reaction, I remember it's like the universal.
Ooh, yeah. Yeah.
He was like, how about a Le Mans start? We were like, oh yeah. Oh, that was a good one.
How have we never thought about that?
Yeah. That like, I was like
kind of mad, like, oh, that was a good idea. Why didn't we think of that so insane. We're just sitting, dragging our knuckles. And then lastly,
good, good, good roundup of players. Yeah.
Oh, and also lastly Toyo tires. Um, Toyo has been giving me, I thought about this the other day. Toyo has been giving me tires for cars that don't run since I bought my coupe Quattro.
That's honestly, they gave me the first set of R triple eights, not R triple eight R, it's R Triple eights. Like they just came out. This is when you find out. And they sent them to me and they have been flat spotted. For 20 some odd years. That's when I still have 'em.
When this is, when you find out that you've actually been their long term tire uh, tester.
They're like, we need to see how long tires will take to dry rod in the wild. Yeah. With new tread and you're, you're out there doing product testing. Oh, in the field. Flat spot testing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So big,
big shot. I got on my trucks, my cars. Anyway. Yeah, you've been to forever. Yeah. So anyway, guys, uh, thanks again and, uh, I think it's time to cue the outro song.
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[02:31:38] Outro
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