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In Elsbeth Season 3, Episode 7, "And Then There Were Nuns," Elsbeth investigates the suspicious death of pop star Aliyah Jade, who falls from the bell tower of a historic convent she planned to convert into a recording studio. What initially appears to be a tragic accident unravels into a deliberate act when Elsbeth uncovers tampered evidence and a mysterious voice note. The culprit? Mother Constance, who feared losing the convent to modern development. As tensions rise, Alec's past grows murkier under Marissa and Teddy's watchful eyes. Meanwhile, Father Crime makes a triumphant return—on TV and at a food drive. It's a holy twist of murder, music, and misdirection.
00:00 - Jason and Marissa reminisce about Father Crime
03:00 - A quick plug for rating, subscribing, and Buy Me a Coffee
04:00 - Elsbeth takes on the case of Aliyah Jade and the convent murder
10:00 - Diane Wiest dazzles as Mother Constance
28:00 - Alec's subway story faces scrutiny from Teddy and Pete
35:00 - Wrapping up: Catholic guilt, landmark saves, and loose ends
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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we talk on Elsbeth, season three, episode seven, and then there were nuns. I'm one of your hosts, Jason Reed, with me as always, the woman that confessed to me in the pre-show of this podcast, as she totally forgot the whole Elsworth episode about father crime.
Marissa Garza. Marissa, you good? Hi, it's me. Yep, I'm good now that I remember that 'cause you told me about it. Are you good? How are you doing? I'm good, I'm good. It was quite a discovery as we were, as we're just chit-chatting pre-show before we do, and I'm talking about father crime as if it's, you know, we're just this old, old, you know, this old character, this fun guy we always know and she's like, wait, what?
What do you mean? Or like, yeah, you remember we had a whole episode centered around Father Cry. She's like, no, we didn't. It's like, yeah, we totally did. And we just, we went back through memory lane of Elsbeth and, uh, Remi refreshed me's memory about [00:01:00] the show that we are covering. You know, everyone, it's been a tough year, decade.
And also, uh, I do, you know how much TV I watch? So, um. I do my best, but sometimes things skip the memory. So luckily we have friends like Jason who will keep me up, keep me up to date on things, and remind me, like also not let me get away with Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense.
So I hope you also have a person in your life like Jason to keep you on the right track, to keep you reminded of the things that are really important, like father crime on ELs. But season two, episode eight. Yeah. Like our tv, like our TV history. Uh, listen, it's always been a whole, uh, year since season two.
It has episode eight. It has, we're on season three, episode seven. Here as we get through another episode of Elsbeth, another very, uh, interesting, uh, interesting case, interesting murder here. As we, as we go through this, before we get too deep [00:02:00] into the weeds about this episode, we want to remind you of some free and easy ways you can help.
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Uh, we did recently get a new, uh, buy me a coffee contributor. Uh, from the, uh, from it is Marcy Dix. We appreciate your contribution. Marcy, we, uh, we love listeners and viewers like you that are down to help. Cause uh, that all outta the way. Marissa, you wanna run down the, uh, the, the episode for us? I mean, I guess let me just, you know, get in the right state of mind because, you know, I did, I was raised Catholic, so I, I did, I was not surrounded by as many nuns, but this definitely brought back some memories.
So in this episode, Elsbeth investigates the death of Pop Superstar, Aliya, Jade. Who falls from the bell tower of a historic convent. She's trying to buy and turn into a recording studio. Police assume it's a tragic accident, but the [00:04:00] details don't add up. Ellsworth discovers the bell tower door was forced open.
A warning sign was removed, and the bells ring in, ring at the wrong time for the first time in 200 years, not really. It was, it is a little dramatic. It was a little dramatic. A little dramatic. It was a little dramatic. Uh, a voice note. Uh. IA recorded before her death echoes the language only Mother Constance used revealing that she manipul manipulated it.
Aya, oh my gosh, uh, AYA into climbing the tower at Sunset, Constance even had stolen a sister's watch to alter the bell. Schedule the truth emerges. Terrified of losing the convent to development. Mother Constance engineered the fall at the top of this. At the top of the sale, she's arrested. But in a twist, the convent is saved when the food drive publicly triggers the landmark preservation ruling miraculously.
Uh, meanwhile, Elizabeth [00:05:00] navigates growing tension with Alec, Marissa, and Teddy who dig into Alec's past, and the sisters grapple with the fallout of the tragedy. So I was watching the time on this one, and I think we didn't get into the police department until like the middle of the episode. I think that's.
That's where we're at now. Yeah, I mean, we're spending a lot of time on the murder, uh, before Ellsworth even comes onto the scene. Um, I did enjoy the conceit of this murder, which is like a pop star wants to buy this convent to, uh, transform it into a recording studio, which honestly doesn't feel like a super farfetched from like, to what, what might happen today?
Not a stretch. Not a stretch at all. And I think, I think this character of Elia was Taylor Swift esque of like, Hmm. Like the, there was like a, or, or Kesha esque at least. Yes. There's like, there's this thing going on [00:06:00] with the producer and she just needs to find a place and she's using all the voice notes to make, to make music.
So I liked the, um, the illusion to that, but not really calling it out. Yeah, I was thinking it was much more Kesha related than, yeah, than anything else. Probably throw a little Katy Perry in there as well. I thought, um, you know, this, this former religious person turned into a pop star that now wants to kind of Yes, yes.
Reach, reach back into her religious roots in a way, which is almost as well kind of performative because you're taking this religious thing and, you know, turning it into something else, which you might, they might think is doing one thing, but it's really. Another. Um, so I think, I thought it was interesting that we got this kind of, uh, this, this reasoning for the murder.
And we meet mother, mother Superior Constance, who is uh, very against this and, uh, is not afraid to show it. The thing is like. I feel like non culture is like, I will follow the [00:07:00] rules to, oh, non culture, an extent non culture as portrayed in television. It's always like, I follow the rules, I'm here. But also like, what was that one, Mrs.
Davis? Should you watch that? That was about a nun. That was weird. Um, but also like any, even in Sister Act, the nuns were a little, you know. Just a little, they were off filtered, gonna move the, they were gonna move the, or use the system to their advantage. Mm-hmm. And I mean, I can't blame Mother Constance for wanting to do that.
I do blame her methods. Um, but we should also talk about who Mother Constance is played by in this episode. Diane, we, we, did we talk about her a lot on, on the podcast last episode? No. Or did we talk about it behind episode because that, that's a good question. I think it was more off episode because I, for whatever reason, got Mo, got Diane Weist confused with our.
Guest star from last. Oh no, I was looking at the IMDB for LA for last episode, but I [00:08:00] accidentally saw this episode and I was like, Diane Weese, was that the older woman there? But no, it wasn't. Um, but no, Diane Weese is here. I think we had a conversation at Off Pod about, I don't know who Diane WEAs was. I did not.
I've never watched, I, I, I've challenged myself to be like, I've never watched Diane WEAs, uh, thing to know. Who it is and going down the list of things the Diane Weese has been in, which is quite a lot of things I still like. I'm not the only murders in the building fan. I'm not a mayor of Kingstown fan. I, I've heard the name Life in Pieces, but I don't remember what that was.
In treatment also. Yes, law and Order. I have watched a ton of law and order, but not probably in the era that she was it. Well, I am here to remind you that Diane, we exists. And she, yeah, I've heard the name Diane WEAs. I've definitely like, I don't know what I've heard, I've, where I heard it from is probably someone else talking about Diane WEAs be like acting like as if I should know who Diane WEAs is.
But because of Weese is such an interesting last name, I think that's what stuck out to me. But I've never, I don't think I've ever [00:09:00] really watched anything she was in, I think she did a good job in this, regardless. She was like the little, I mean, there's not much to work with I wanna say, but she was, no, I, listen, I'm, I'm.
Yeah, I'm a w I'm a W head now. Okay. I'm a w I'm a W converter. Are you a wey? I'm a wey now. Uh, 'cause she did great in this. I, I thought of all the murderers we've had. She was definitely the most. Quirk, like not quirky, but the way that she would like pop up on people without them listening, without them hearing her was so fun and interesting.
I love that aspect of it. I thought she did a good job with this. I really did. I also love the tactic, but not really like she made that one sister like feel really bad about the timing. Mm-hmm. Of the bells because it wasn't like, this is something that had been brought up before and like really like shaming.
I mean, I have to say. The Catholic church is under new leadership, but sometimes it, it was not that nice. And so, um, you know, I [00:10:00] I, she really shames this lady because she's like trying, she rings the bells early. She isn't like taking her penance of like doing the dishes, like as seriously as she wants her to.
And I think that's very old school Catholic at the moment. Mm-hmm. Um, coming in there and bringing, bringing some shame back into the game. Well, I definitely saw, you know, a darker part of the, the, uh, the nunnery in, in this, right? We've got, uh, we've got Somes mother spirit, Constance doing what she did. All, uh, you know, she had, I think she had good, uh, intentions.
Obviously, she wanted to keep the church and she decided to murder to do it. I thought it was really interesting that at the end as you, as you spelled out there, that. Elizabeth is able to save the nunnery by going through certain channels. And Mother Constance just like no murder, murder's, the way to save it.
And I was just like, um, you could have done some other things, you know? Yes. They were creative things and not everyone's going to be able to think like that, but the fact that you turned to [00:11:00] murder as your, as your really quick way of, of solving this was, uh. Was a choice for sure. And you know, we also saw the monsignor, uh, Frank working in, uh, mischievous ways of covering this up when he found out about it through Mother Conant's, uh, confession, where she kind of played to what she knew would be his, his, uh, his concern that he was gonna get this sale through, uh, so well, because he was going for Bishop, right?
So he is like, like, this sale is good because. It'll make it, it, I'll have to become Bishop 'cause they won't have a place to, to, you know, lead anymore. So I'm gonna have to become Bishop. Mother Con is like not so fast, um, about that. I don't want the police here anymore. 'cause Elsbeth Ellizabeth was like the.
Elizabeth and Mother constants are very similar in terms of the like popping up and mm-hmm. And listening to what people are saying and everything like that. So mother Constants does not want Elizabeth [00:12:00] around at all. And listen, give, give her the Constance. Like, uh, I, I don't know what she would be, but she's very good at Incepting people because she really incepted.
Uh, Elia, uh, who? Elia? I, I, I did not watch this movie. Uh, it was called a Nora. A Elia is played by Lindsay Normington, but I know a Nora was like a big thing. And I'm not sure what Lindsay Norton's role in an Nora was. Was she the titular a Nora? Is a Nora a character in the movie? I don't know, but I feel, I feel like a, Nora was a big, kind of like, uh, academy Award darling around, uh, award time.
Okay. But I don't, I don't know what she, what role she was in that, but I just felt like I should call it out in case anyone at home was like, how They're not saying she was in a Nora, that they're, they're Philistines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No good coverage there. Um, because that is also like a movie that I forgot about.
So, yes. Good job. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Thanks for keeping me back on track there. Yeah. I'm, I'm your, uh, [00:13:00] I'm your pop culture nun. Trying to come back on guidance, keep on track, but you know, you know Elia, who is, you know. Doubting her herself, doubting her management, and is looking for, looking for guidance. And, you know, I loved Mother Constance, uh, being like, yeah, you gotta look for guidance.
I went up to the bell tower and I saw the divine and pure light when I at, at this certain amount. And she's like, and you know. Uh, you probably will see the divine light at 5 42, 5 42, uh, pm which is when the sun will be setting. I was like, I don't know. I, I think you probably could have incepted her to go up there at six o'clock.
I don't think you need to do all the other shenanigans as well. Well, I don't know if the bells had to be moved. I think she could have set her up and said, Hey, if you wanna get a really good seat for this, just go up at 5 45. Like go up there. Well, the bells need to be told so that the bell would knock her off out the window.
You don't think she'd spend 15 minutes out there looking at the sun? You know what I mean? Like Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't think a lie someone gonna be, I don't think it's like the lights go out, you know? Right, right. Yeah. I don't think a lie's gonna be thinking like, oh, I better get outta here, get out of [00:14:00] the way this bell.
'cause it's gonna ring her at six o'clock. I just don't think that would be right on the, in the front of her mind. So I think you probably could have gotten her to go up there. You, yeah. Like you said. In September at 5 42, she still goes up there. She's still up there. When the bell ring, you didn't need to do all this other, uh, yeah.
Extra stuff. And I think that's what, that's what really is Mother con's downfall, right? Because she does all this stuff with the watch. That's, you know, setting forward the time, uh, on Sister Darby's watch, which is, uh, kind of an easy way to get caught. Also, she lies to Ellsworth when Ellsworth comes there and tells ELs like, oh yeah, I really, I was in support of the sale, which is something easy to.
Be found out about someone, just be like, exactly what happened. The other mother, the other nun would be like, no, like actually Mother Constance did was not in, in favor of the sale. So that that gets Seth's mind going at that point, like, huh, mother Constance lied to me. That's interesting. Well, yeah, before I commented that, I do wanna just also mention that Monsignor Frank was played by David [00:15:00] ish, who is in like all of the things, including succession most recently, but goes back all the way back to Ryan's hope, Jason.
Yeah, Ryan's Hope, uh, all my children, he's a soap guy. Uh, I vaguely, vaguely remember him from all my children. Uh, as I've, as I've said on this show before, I was a soap kid, thanks to my thanks to spending summers with my grandparents, um, also in nurses, which was a very, uh, underrated sitcom of the nineties.
Probably something I should not have been watching as a child, but I did because there were like. Jokes that, you know, at the time went over my head. But I remember, I remember his character on that. He was a very like, kind of chauvinistic doctor, if I recall making sexual advances to all the other nurses.
Uh, so that, that's what sticks out in my head about this guy. Uh, 'cause when I saw him I was like, oh yeah, it's that guy. It's nurses guy. That's what I will always remember him from when, even when I've seen him other things like, oh, it's nurses guy. So yeah, that's where, that's where I got my, my thing from for him.
He, yeah. He is definitely, oh, that guy kind, kind of guy. But I think I remember [00:16:00] him all my children and then everything else. But, uh, in regards to the ski is Jason, I, I was really thinking we were gonna get to another, like we don't have proof type of situation here. Mm-hmm. Because it was very, very light.
And also like Elsbeth. Aha moment didn't make any sense to me. She was just like, oh, okay. Here you go. Yeah. And then also I have this random tablet of the 10 Commandments that I can use as a prop to tell Mother Constance that she was a crime. That was crazy. I was like, wow. Else like the, the, the amount of work that had to go into that of like finding a foe.
10 commandment tablet, like is it like we're gonna go bust mother costs? I'm like, no, we can't. My fake 10 commandment tablet hasn't come in from the Etsy seller yet, that I ordered it from. You have to wait until this, uh, this specialized 10 commandment tablet comes in from wherever I ordered it from.
That was, and like we're getting into really silly territory now with these, like, with these [00:17:00] busts, or do you think that it was like Kraft night? And she's like, hold on, let me go to Michael's. I'm gonna get some styrofoam. I'm gonna carve it out. I'm gonna spray paint. Very possibly. And then we got something very possibly I did, you know, because in, in the investigation of this, Constance kind of asks Ellsworth, well, her thoughts on religion are mm-hmm.
And Ellsworth doesn't really answer, which I think is interesting. Right. Because I feel like the show. Wants to make Elizabeth kind of neutral in a way. Did you have, well, did you come up against anything with that? Well, yes, because we have to, I think in this, we need to take into account the context of right now, right?
Mm-hmm. It's 2025. Paramount just went through this whole thing there. Definitely also being controlled a little bit by the government, so they're not gonna really take a lot of swings. They're not gonna go a lot of places. And so it doesn't [00:18:00] surprise me that Elsbeth like has the stance. I think we haven't really had any comments from her on religion in general, but she definitely like believes in people.
Yeah. And she believes in like people doing things for other people and like magic. But that, not saying that like faith and magic are the same thing, but. What was your take on it? It, it was interesting to leave her in that neutral spot. 'cause I feel like Elizabeth is someone, I think, I think it is kind of true to her character, right?
She has seen, she's seen the evil in a lot of people, but it was also seen the goodness and grace mm-hmm. In a lot of people. And I feel like she's someone that is very logical and analytical. So I do feel like she, she, she, she doesn't know. And I, I like the where she goes, like, I want to believe in something, but I just.
I don't right now. I, I, she loves the, she loves that. Other people believe it, but you know, she just, that's not her. Yeah. And I also think like she's so attached to the truth that mm-hmm. [00:19:00] Unless she could find, unless she was the person who opened the tomb and found the shroud of Turrin, I don't know if she would actually believe in Jesus.
Not saying that she has to be Christian, but you know what I mean? Like she would need to find something to really ground her in that, I think. Yeah, I, I like that. I, I like that it was addressed and it was like she just is kind of an neutral space about it. Let's talk about the team. Team for this episode.
Okay. Yeah, let's do it. Elsbeth? Yep. Nikki Nikki's back, second episode in a row. I bet. Uh, feels like they might be doing that. 'cause I would think we had Grace for a couple episodes in a row. Now we've got Nikki for a couple episodes in a row. Uh, who knows when, when, or if Nick will be back in the next episode.
Uh, but, but they're here with Elsbeth. Um, s Mullen is, our detectives been a minute since, seen s Mullen, s Mullen's doing what Smullen does. Smullen comes in, he's like, oh, obviously an accident. So, you know, got, that's it. Well, and we, there was a confession, right? There was a confession from the equivalent of a swifty, the equivalent [00:20:00] of, of, you know, a diehard fan who basically has like pictures on his phone of Elia, a location of Aya, all of this stuff.
And this is enough for Smolen. He's like. That's it. Okay. It's closed. That's it. And, and Elizabeth's like, hold on, let me just ask like a simple question. And it's like, she says something wrong about her career. I forget what it was. And then, yeah, then the guy who could, who was confessing was like, no, not really.
She did this and she worked really hard and blah. Like, okay. Yeah. So you're, I. I almost thought that this guy had been put up to this by Mother Constance, because when Ellsworth comes in, like starts calling out some of the inconsistencies about the crime scene, like when they get into the bell tower. Uh, because the bath tower is like very, like rickety, like not under repair.
There was a thing that says danger do not come in. But when Ellizabeth gets into the crime scene, she notices, oh, the danger sign was moved. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, someone, uh, forced open the, the thing like, 'cause there were, there was something locking it, but someone had taken out the [00:21:00] lock. So she notices all these things and Mother Constance is like, oh crap.
Uh, I you trouble. So I thought she put the guy up to it. I thought it was, maybe this was maybe like a guy that was. Part of the convent. He had done something wrong, and maybe Constance had convinced him to take the fall for this in, in her place. But no, this, the fact that this guy was a, uh, did they give him a name, a Alaya head or whatever?
Something, he just wanted to be a part of the story and to do that he was willing to confess to a murder he did not commit was so funny because like I, I do wonder if there would be people like that, if, if something akin to this happens now, right? The, yeah. I mean, strangely, the only thing I can think of is the fact that Yolanda is coming up on parole for Selena's murder.
Oh, remember, like, uh, remember, you know, Selena got murdered. Like this is the only thing that I can really [00:22:00] like tie it to, but there was no fight over who, who killed SEL at that time? Um, I'm trying to think. Like, I think unfortunately there are people that would do that. Yeah. I think there are unwell people that would, that would decide that they wanted to be part of this narrative and would.
Do it in this way, which is a rather extreme way to do this, but I thought it was a fun little moment. And Ellsworth being Ellsworth was able to clock it immediately. Yeah. She's like, because he's like this guy, like she, I, I saw your phone case, right? Like, I saw you have a IFO case. So obviously you're not trying to harm her for nefarious reasons.
And then, like you said, she planted a whole bunch of this like false information about Elia and this, uh, this. Intense fan man had to, had, had no choice but to correct her. When he was like, when he is like presented as this big, bad, like criminal of like, I, I did it. And she, he says all this, he's like, [00:23:00] actually, what you don't know about Aya is this, this, this, this.
I thought that was so fun. And of course, Smolin who, you know, as, as we said is, is trying to get this solved as fast as possible, as is of course. You know, oh, we got a confession. We're all good. When at first he's coming in like, oh, obviously this is an accident. And then Ellsworth spells out all of the reasons why it wasn't an accident.
He is like, oh, okay. Whatever, Smolen, why do you still have a job? That's why I have to wonder, I love when Smolen is suen, you know? It's just like he is there and that he just like, oh. And then he does nothing for the rest of the episode. Nothing like he does the thing and then he just comes around for the pickup at the end.
Yeah, for sure. And, and for s Mullen to be so, uh, hesitant about, about going into a convent because of his background Yes. Was funny as well. Mostly because, and I mentioned this when we first met s Mullen, uh, he does an audio book for this, uh, James Patterson character, the James Patterson character. Uh, I'm trying to find.
The, [00:24:00] uh, the name of the person, but it was, uh, shoot. Uh, but basically the, the person that he narrates this, this detective is an extremely Catholic person, so I don't know if that was like a, uh, a winking, a nod to people that know, but he's extremely Catholic, um, highlighted by the fact that he has like eight to 10 children in the, in the, uh, in the stories that he, that he portrays.
Uh. But yeah, I thought that was really funny where, where someone was obviously uncomfortable. He is like, yeah, I did not have the greatest relationship with, uh, in Catholic school, so, uh, you know, I'm not, not loving this. Um, but yeah, someone is here just to as set dressing, I guess. Just to have someone that's able to, um, arrest the person at the end.
And Nikki also, Nikki is usually very on top of things, but they were not even that big of a, a, a helper in this. There was just like taking notes at this point. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And you know when, when, when Elsworth comes in and she's like, picks the dust bunny off of Constance, like in the very beginning, it's like Uhoh.
[00:25:00] She's already, she's already got her eye on you. When Elsworth has her eye on you is never gonna go. Well, I just wonder like, what do you think it was, was it the dust bunny? She's like, oh my gosh, she's a dust bunny. Like what is it like, is it just the Elsbeth sense? Yeah. It's like this, the dust bunny she picks off of, off of the thing, and then it's like.
When they get into the very dusty clock tower, Elvin was probably like, Hmm. I did like that reveal when they were up there and there was like a secret box of cigarettes and a bunch of other stuff that Mother Constance had hidden up there. And also that like all of the nuns knew about this. I, I really, I.
I, we were talking a little bit about this before, but like, nuns are fun. I like, I like the nuns. The nuns are pretty good. Um, especially in this episode. They are like, yeah, you know, she used to be a rebel, but we don't talk about it too much anymore. Yeah. And if you go upstairs, you might see something, but I'm not gonna talk about it.
And also like, we watch Father Crime every Night. [00:26:00] Yeah. On and get all together. It was really fun. A, a strength of Elsbeth is definitely the ability, ability to call back and to bring characters back into the narrative. And Father Garvey, AKA father crime, AKA, the actor Jack Wilson, uh, who, you know, was much of me's uh, failing memory was in, was in that, that episode last season where they did this whole.
Crime inside of a, a cop procedural, writer room, uh, was very fun. I liked that he was brought back. I like that he was like a, a big part of the episode because I thought it was, I thought it was just going to be like that one moment where the nuns are watching father crime. Of course, of course they love father crime because he, he is a, uh, is a father as well as a detective.
Uh, so I, I love that aspect of it. But then they actually brought him in due to the food drive because, you know, as we, as we discussed. Uh, mother Constance is like, lets it, you know, does a quote unquote confession to Monsignor [00:27:00] Frank about her doing this and how you need to get them out of the church because if they find this out, it's gonna ruin the sale.
So Monsignor Frank goes to the station, he is like, Hey, I can't have you cops running around my common anymore. If you, if you wanna come in, you're gonna need a warrant. We don't have enough to get a warrant right now. So the way Ellsworth gets back in is to get. You know, father Garvey, Jack Wilson to show up at the Food Drive as this big celebrity that brings in, brings in like two or three food trucks for the thing and makes it this big, big publicized thing.
And that's how Elsworth gets back in to the convent to, you know, do her questioning, find out her little things. That's how she gets close to, uh, sister Darby, who was the person that was responsible for, you know, the, the bell ringing incident, which killed, um, Elia and to find out that, yeah. Uh. Hmm. Why would my watch be fast?
I don't know. I was around, I took my watch off and Oh yes, mother Constance was around at this moment. Set. Yep. So that's more of ELs [00:28:00] Smith's like, okay. Yep. This is all falling into place. It's all coming together. Yeah. I thought also, um, it was interesting because not only did she bring Father Crime, but she also had Marissa and Alec on board too.
Like she called the whole team. Yep. It's got everything going. What did you, yeah. What did you think of the Marissa and Alec? Um, yeah, we still don't know exactly what's going on. Things are, things are happening to add to suspicion to Alex because they're, because Teddy is now, because Teddy has to be introduced to everything in, in the Ellsworth world now, um, Teddy comes in because Teddy's doing a story on right Alex, it's gonna be his first byline.
And so it's kind of a background piece on Alec, kind of a puff piece, if you will. There was this story about how Alec used to, uh. Hang around the subway tunnels, and he would hang out with the workers in the subway tunnels. He hung out with this one worker, and the worker would share his sandwich with Alec and as such a, [00:29:00] a feel good story.
So now Teddy's on a mission to find Pete, who they, he only has his name Pete. So he has to call every Pete. They used to work for, uh, the New York Metro. He's calling a lot of Peets. He finally gets a Pete. That tells Oh yeah, I remember Alec, I remember, you know, the kid with the sandwiches and the subway train.
Oh, I remember that guy. Yeah, I remember that kid. Yeah. I remember the kid in the tunnels with the, with the sandwiches. So Teddy's like, oh, great, I found the pea, I found the guy. And so we had this, you know, we, at the, at the end of the, the show, we have this like publicity type of thing at the convent where Alex shows up.
It was at a convent, right? That's where it was. It was, yeah, because they were celebrating the fact that the food drive had saved the convent and also given the. The convent, historical landmark status. So everything has to be restored back. So they were having a, this picture, but then Marissa was like, Hey, this is also a great campaign opportunity, so let's have a photo op with Alec there as well.
And Teddy's like, [00:30:00] well, this'll be even better. Let me bring Pete. Yeah. And so Pete's here he is, this, uh, kind of older black guy and you know, Alec. Alec recognizes Pete immediately because Alec turns around, he's like, oh, hey Pete, what's up man? You know, shakes Pete's hand as if Pete is this old friend of Alex.
He's like, yeah, we have to catch up, blah, blah, blah. And so then Teddy's talking to, to Pete some more. Teddy's like, oh yeah, Alec is running to be mayor. And Pete's like, what happened to Koch? Who, if you know anything about, uh. New York. New York, uh, mayoral history. Mayor Koch was quite some time ago. Yeah. So at the, at the time where he is like, what happened to Koch?
He's like, uhoh like, what, what, what's going on with Pete? What's happening with Pete? And so, and you know, Pete tells Teddy, I don't recognize that guy. I don't know who that guy is. Like, what do you mean? Which is like, huh. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that could be happening here, which is like.
And we, we've talked about on the show, [00:31:00] Alex's not a, not gonna be a good guy. Right? Can't be. He's too good to be good. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's, it's one of those, and I think here, I don't know, like was he held prisoner for a while? Is he up like, oh, or was he like, was who helped? Is he hired? I'm like trying to think about why the guy would brought up Koch instead of bringing up, well, I kind of think, I just think that Pete was kind of like.
I don't think hired. I don't, no, I don't think everything's okay with Pete. Yes, agreed. I, I think Pete has some, some issues, some mental issues maybe. I don't know. Um. And, but I think I, I don't know if maybe Marissa was tipped. Well, Alec was tipped off to the fact that Pete was gonna show up, that Pete was gonna be here and he, Alec was ready for this because he had heard that Teddy found Pete through whatever means.
And so he was ready to be like, oh, hey, it's Pete, even though Alec doesn't know who Pete is, or Alec was the guy who stole the sandwich after the kid actually asked Pete for the sandwich. Maybe I just, I don't think Alec, [00:32:00] whatever story this was, I don't think, I don't think it's real. No. Agreed. Because Teddy could have just called Pete.
'cause Pete, when Teddy called Pete, he laid out the whole story and Pete was just like, oh yeah, I remember. So is it, is it Pete is just not like. All there. Well, and Pete's like, oh yeah, totally. I definitely did that. Because when Teddy calls, he's like, Hey, I'm looking for Pete, who was the Pete that worked at the subway and who gave sandwiches to a man named Alec.
And Pete's like, oh yeah, I remember. And when he doesn't, and he really doesn't. But the fact that Teddy has now found a Pete that goes with, along with the story, Alec's like, yes, more confirmation of my story. So I'll say, yeah, Pete, I remember you. I am just gonna say, sometimes people forget things. Okay.
Like, it's okay. Yes, mercy. We, we know You forget things. You forget things. You forget things for sure. Um, but yeah, I, Alex is definitely not who he per pretends to be, um, which is dangerous for everyone involved, like [00:33:00] everyone. Yeah. But do you think it's gonna be Teddy who finds something and then, then brings up like, how do we think that's gonna, I think Teddy's gonna do some more investigation and whatever this investigation brings up, which I just, I think the, I think the fact is Alec is lying about who he is slash was he, he presents himself as this, uh, horror on his luck story.
He pulled himself up from his bootstraps. I just don't think that will be. All. I think he, maybe he came from like a, he's secretly a trust fund baby or something. He's lying about something. He has nefarious purposes. I think Teddy's gonna look into it. Teddy's gonna find some more stuff Teddy's gonna bring into Elsbeth, and that's what's gonna be like, I already know Teddy.
I know because Marissa and me have been working to take down Alec. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In shadow ways, because we still don't know what the rest of that conversation was. That's what, that's what I think is gonna happen with the whole Alec thing. I think he's gonna be exposed for, you know, him not [00:34:00] being who he actually pretends to be.
And you know, the only way that, because the only way they can redeem the Marissa character right now. Because right now the mea character is not like. From what we've seen on ELs, watch what you say. Watch what you say. I know. I know that what they have presented to us thus far in Elsbeth is that she is opportunistic.
She's more like her father than the kind of like upstanding person. You remember her to be from good fight and good wife. So I think the only way to redeem that, uh, is for Marissa to actually working to take down Alec from the inside. Yeah, I think you're right. Uh, we're not gonna know what that work is for.
Like another, what are we on episode eight? We're on set, uh, around seven or eight. No, we're on seven. Probably not gonna know till like, I don't know, episode 15. Yeah. This, this is, they're really kind of. Drawing this out. So it seems like we're gonna be in quite a while trying to figure out what's going on with Alec.
Uh, my worry is it's not going to be as interesting as we hope it [00:35:00] is. Yeah. The, the juice is not gonna be worth the squeeze as they say. I, I'm still, I'm, I'm still worried about Kaia, wondering where she is. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't touched on that at all. So I'm like, what, when are all these threads gonna come together?
Um, but yeah, that's the alec part of it for this episodes. I, I think just little by little, we're gonna find out more about. Alec not being who he is. Do you think Alec is tied to. Ooh. Winnie. Winnie Benny. Oh, Crawford's widow. Crawford's widow. Yeah. No, I don't think so. And I don't, I I am all I know that's another thread they've left Dangling.
Yeah. Like what's going on with, with the Crawford widow? Was that all that we're gonna get from that? That storyline of like, oh, I know my husband was an evil man, but I'm going to cover up. He what he did to keep his name good. It was, is that gonna be all or is she up to more nefarious things? Is she looking for revenge from, uh, out of Elsbeth?[00:36:00]
Who knows? Who knows? Um, we may never, we may never. Um, I did, I I did like I know I, I poo-pooed the methods a little bit of, of, uh, mother Constance. But I thought, I thought, I thought it was kind of. In it was ingenious, right? It would be like to set the clock forward a little bit, but I thought would've been an easily caught thing because.
Did she go back and set the clock, her, the watch, right afterwards? I don't know. I don't know. But all I can tell you is that Mother Constance was thinking about that for quite some time. Like, this isn't the first person she thought about putting up on the Bell Tower. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like she had a plan.
She was like, okay, this is gonna happen. This is how we're gonna do it. I found the person for this. Um, so I, but I do think like Justice for Sister, what's her name? The one, the other one. The, the one that got made. Mother Yeah. End. Yeah. No, well, no, she, she deserved it. But the one with the watch, like she was treated.
[00:37:00] Oh, mother Darby, my sister Darby. Yeah. Sister Darby was like really gaslit by Mother Constance here and like, oh yeah. I mean, she had, she had Sister Darby thinking that like she was the main person responsible for, for killing Elia when, you know, sister Darby was kind of doing her job and she was. Uh, tricked into doing it earlier than needed because, uh, you know, I, I think that was too much of a loose thread hanging for Yeah.
Mr. Dar be like, why is my watch showing me it's six when it's actually 5 45? What's going on there? Uh, so yeah, it was, it was interesting. Yeah, I mean, but also Jason, I just wanna say overall this felt like a 10 minute episode over 30 minutes or over 45 minutes or something. Like, I don't know what it was.
It just, I guess it's because we're into simplified timelines or simplified plot lines or whatever, but I just, I feel like, unfortunately, it's not that I am not [00:38:00] enjoying the show, but I am coming to the reality that this is a much different show than it was. I mean, it's a procedural, right? It, and it's procedural at a certain point, follow a certain formula that is kind of easily predictable, tied, and tried.
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's tried and true. I do like the fact that this, unlike other procedurals, does do fun things like fun callbacks, like bringing back father crime. That is a fun thing you don't find in a lot of other procedurals. So I will give it that. I'm hoping that the. Uh, secondary storylines start kicking in more and because that is also something that will.
Uh, buck the formula, right. It'll buck the, it'll, it'll liven things up because it does feel like, and I've talked, sorry, I've talked about this before, where it's like, I'm still trying to get used to the pow Ketchum format where it's like, we already have all the information and we're watching our protagonist figure it out.
Right. You know? Right. Like, so that it does, it does kind of rob the suspense and [00:39:00] tension out of things a little bit. Uh, I, I do think the. Character and personality of Elsbeth really helps the show. I think if you had this, if you just had like a regular, uh, boring detective doing these things, it wouldn't be as fun and funny.
But that's what el, that's the flavor and style that Elsbeth brings to the proceedings, which makes it a fun show to keep watching. Um, so yeah, I, I think, I think I'm having fun with it. It's, it's not the most like. Riveting thing I've ever watched. But, uh, you know, it's, it's enjoyable. It's, it's a fun little thing.
Yeah. I mean, I, I'm not, I just, I think that like before with the How Ketchum format, before we had other storylines that were going on that would like, kind of like plot like. Prop up the story, you know what I mean? And now that we've got those storylines kind of trimmed away, it's like, okay, we know how we did it.
You know what I mean? I wonder if the show would be better served if it went to a traditional route or like, but we're three seasons into it now. So I don't know if the [00:40:00] show could actually do that. Um, but yeah, Kerry Preston is bringing all of. Elle's be that she possibly can into these things. She was slips sliding all over the floor.
She was, she leaning around things, doing the best she could with physical comedy and you know, she's really, she's really bringing it every episode. Yeah. I love the presentation she was making, uh, to. At Wagner's office where she made up, she made up the danger sign and was like doing the, the whole thing of like, if Elia had done this, she would have to struggle to bring this.
Why would she do that? Why would she struggle? Bring aside all over here? She struggles, mock struggles to bring, to bring the sign over to the other side of the room. Uh, very fun thing there as well. And I do, I do think these things like, like Ellsworth busting the, uh, the Elia head. I love. Yes. Yes. It was fun of like, it's, it's fun to note her perceptive methods of like, I saw the phone case, so I figured you were a fan, so I figured you didn't do this.
Like you were just about to make yourself part of the narrative. Doing the fun little test to make sure that he is, he is a [00:41:00] fan, uh, was also fun. So there are fun things in here. I just think the fact that there's no. Suspense. There is also kind of like, yeah, like we don't have other, we already know how it's gonna end.
Yeah. Yeah. We know how this is gonna end. Um, but yeah, I What'd you think of the, uh, what of the, of the producer guy? I did wanna look up the producer of the, when the Kesha thing. Oh, Mr. Like Dr. Luke or something? Oh, yeah. That was Dr. Luke. Uh, yeah. No, I was like, you did bad things to Kesha. No. Dr. Luke. Yes. No bui.
No bui for sure. And I, I liked how they really portrayed this guy to be just like the, the zeitgeist of the douches. Yeah. It was like all of them wrapped into one and the fact that like, I don't know, don't share your voice notes with people on the cloud. Okay. Like, who knows like what one, what they're gonna do with them.
'cause also, I think there was a new story this week about how like some. Piece that people did in 2010, like yes, got reused [00:42:00] for like something that they don't agree with. Yeah. It's Kristen Bell. Yes. Uh, and some other celebrities. And Brian Cox. Brian Cox. Yeah, they, they did, they did a recording about, it was like a, it was kinda like a religious biblical, uh, thing.
And now it's going to be, uh, because they, they did this a long time ago, apparently without, I guess without a means of distribution or whatever. And so now it's gonna be dis distribute, distributed by Fox News and. I think a lot of those people that were involved probably don't love Fox News and what, uh, yeah, they feel Fox News stands for.
So they're kinda not great, uh, with it. They're going no way, way to the fact that it's going to be on Fox, uh, a thing distributed by Fox News. So, yeah. And that, that is such a, there is such a market with that now, right. Of using. Uh, deceased people's likenesses. Mm-hmm. Uh, for other things, whether it be a hologram for a music show or a new, a new, you know, there are, there are deceased rappers and music people that are coming out with new [00:43:00] content all the time because there were these unreleased demos or, uh, voice notes that are being repurposed and used as new material.
Yeah. And also like with the advent of that SOA app or whatever, I just remember, oh my gosh, yeah, Rob, like Zelda Williams saying like, please stop sending me pic like videos of my dad. Or, and even, um, martinon Luther King's daughter was like, yeah, this is not cool. Like, and it's not, and you know, it, it just, that's what it really brings me to is like, don't sign anything.
Like I know, like we do podcasts. I mean, our stuff is out there. Not saying, but you know what I mean? Like just be aware of the technical landscape is what I'm taking away from this episode. For sure. For sure. Um. No. Uh, because Yeah. And woo, the, and, uh, you know, I, I think for some reason we keep mentioning South Park on this, uh, on this podcast, but South Park did a great episode about like the Sora stuff.
Yes. Yeah. [00:44:00] And it's like, it is a crazy, crazy age living in where you can make anyone do anything via those apps. They did it so well that I didn't even know. I was like watching as Sora. I thought it was the show, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it was, it was really, really well done. So I recommend that also in a Paramount Plus.
So we're not going too far off, but hey, true. Very true. Very true. Um, you can watch that there, but yes, I feel really bad for what happened to la. Not only did she die, um, but she also, you know, was releasing songs she didn't even put together herself. And people were making money off of them after. I mean, they were gonna make money off of the song she put out while she was alive, but.
Who knew what she was gonna do with this content. Yeah. And you know, as you know, as we like to talk about, with, with, uh, Ellsworth and the reveal right of, of the crime and of the person getting arrested, I was, it was like, because. And the, the big aha moment for Ellsworth was that, uh, Aliyah used in the voice note she used for the song, right?
The [00:45:00] Divine Light that Ellsworth heard, sister Constance used. She's like, oh, that's what, that's, it was Sister Constance. That was aha moment. And so that by itself is not, obviously not going to convict anyone of anything. Uh, but then for. Eligible to present this to the group of of sisters, and then for the the sisters to get through to Mother Constance to have her kind of confess what she did.
I was like, okay, I mean, you've got a confession, so. I guess that's it. Just, there you go. I mean, that seems to be like they did that in another episode too, of like, we're just mm-hmm. Gonna force the confession of, uh, cheaty from the good place. Yeah. And I, I did love the fact that when a, as Mother Costa is getting arrested, Elman was like, oh yeah, I got a place like, uh, changed into a landmark.
So they're not gonna tear it down. They're not gonna be able to sell it, and they're gonna have to restore it, be like. Oh, I didn't have to like, yeah. Kill anyone. Yeah. To help this. [00:46:00] Oh, I probably was real quick to murder. Huh? Like maybe that's a flaw within me that I just turned to murder very quickly and didn't even look at any other things that saved the church.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. And that's on capitalism. Like, you know, that's a historical preservation is a government. It is something you apply for, it's something you get granted by the government to put those things in place. Just so you know, the east wing of the White House also was covered by that.
Oh, oh boy. That protection as well. So it may not hold up all the time, but um, yeah, like it got none soth than killing is better than bureaucracy. Mm-hmm. Yes, exactly. And if it can do that to nuns, what can it do to you? You know, like that's what I'm, that's what I'm really coming after. That is your, uh, piece to go back with outta this podcast to think about figuring life, the sermon of the week, everyone.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, so anything else you wanted to hit on, on this episode? Um, [00:47:00] of fun, fun at the nunnery? No, I think, you know, I was happy to see Teddy. I know he is gonna get involved in anything, but I was more, more excited to see Ray Ron. Ron Ray. Ray, Ron. Roy Roy, he's boyfriend. Yeah. I'm more excited to, and I wanna know how his podcast is going.
Those are, yeah, for sure. I love, I I wanna know that. Um, alright, so that's our episode for this week. Marissa, you want to tell people where they can find you and all your musings, shenanigans, whatever you're up to. Sure thing. Uh, hey good folks. You can find me at, it's me, marissa g.com or you have links to all of the podcasts that I'm on, including this one.
Um, obviously we cover Lsba, but we are also in the middle of Good Wife coverage. We're in the middle of season four. Episode nine, coming up to the middle of that season itself. Can't believe it's going by that fast. Um, I am also on whirlwind Podcast Network, talking about pretty little wires. One previously on at a time.[00:48:00]
I don't, I try to explain it. I can't explain it like I don't know how to explain it. Uh, the show is, it's, it's, it's, it's the show. And so. How many episodes, how many episodes does that show have? It feels like we, you've been doing that As long as we've been doing this, we've been doing this for a while.
Seven seasons. Wow. And we watched the previously on of every season, and then we go and watch the whole season so that we can actually have something to stand on. Um, but. It still doesn't make any sense, so I don't know if that's helping or not. Other than fantastic. You can find me and my sister on the USS Sisterhood talking about Star Trek, the next generation.
We just wrapped up season two. We'll be onto to season three, so we are continuing our voyage. Into the final frontier. Jason, what's going on with you? Are people getting married at first sight? Are they, what are they doing? People got married at first sight and things happened. Okay. This, [00:49:00] this week was the culmination of Season 19, so we did it.
We dealt with all the finale shenanigans, decision Day, their reunion, which was a very interesting and explosive. So that's something that floats your boat. Come on over. I'm talking about it. A lot, right, because I am talking about it on my podcast, A perfect match that I do with Asia Welch. We also have a Patreon podcast where we talk about the same drop episodes talked about in the regular podcast, but we do that with a, a guest.
We talk about how they're feeling about the drops. Uh, we usually are, we're trying to get more Mary verse site past participants, podcasters talk about it to give their thoughts. On the drops as well. So we're, we're doing that over on Patreon. Go to patreon.com/your Perfect Match podcast to find that, if that's something that you're into.
I'm also gonna be talking about the reunion episode by itself on another podcast called Alter Call that my friend t does, uh, who joined us over, yes, on The Good Wife. Um, over, over on that side of the podcast. So, uh, a lot of places I'll be talking about the, the same two episodes of television that I watched.
Um, but yeah, [00:50:00] that's, that's where you can find me this week. And until next episode. Stay good.