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What is going on, everybody?
Welcome to Thursday Night CrossFit Talk.
My name is Scott Schweitzer.
I'm the Clydesdale.
I have with me my normal co-host,
Jamie Latimer, and our special co-host,
who is going to fill in for
most of the night for me.
I'll be here,
but I don't have much of a voice,
Carolyn Prevost,
who is a great friend of the show,
and we appreciate her so much.
But we're going to go through today's news,
and I'm actually going to
turn it over to Jamie to
lead this edition.
And so we're gonna we're
gonna kick it off.
All right, big day.
Um,
so one of the big breaking news we got
male O'Brien has said she
is out and not going to
even do the open this year.
thoughts, Carolyn.
I'm not surprised.
Looked like she's, like she said,
she's at peace with her decision.
There's no timeline for when
she'll be ready to come back.
If she wants to come back,
she's someone that's going to be active,
I think her whole life and she'll,
she'll find something to
stay fit and yeah, happy for her.
I mean,
if this is what she wants and this
is what she needs for her health,
I think that's, that's good.
Yeah.
Sounds like she's,
In Hawaii, enjoying her time.
I have heard a lot of people
speculating she may be
going to do a high rocks race.
They've seen a lot of posts
in that direction.
A little less stress, I would say,
with something like that.
So I could see that route.
I don't know.
I don't even know if
competing in anything is on
her horizon right now.
She just looks like she's
honestly having a good time traveling,
spending time with her
boyfriend and getting some
training in whenever she can.
I think that's good for her.
Yeah, I agree.
This is actually one of my
biggest pet peeve topics.
And so I do want to,
I want to jump in here a little bit.
And that is we've got to stop pushing 13,
14,
15 year old kids into professional sports,
whether it be soccer,
whether it be gymnastics,
whether it be CrossFit, whatever it is.
Carolyn's a great example.
She played sports every
season and it was different.
She got to shut off one, pick up another.
I did the same when I was in high school.
It made high school sports
enjoyable for me to move
from sport to sport to sport.
And the fact that you think
a 13 year old is going to
be a professional athlete.
It's just too much, I think,
for kids these days.
And my biggest hope for Mal
is I don't care if she ever comes back.
If she's happy,
that's the most important thing.
But it says a lot that she
moved all the way to Hawaii,
kind of out of the spotlight.
to get away from some things.
And,
and I think we need to respect that
and let her find whatever
it is she wants to do in life.
Because she looks like she's
having a ball.
That's a cute video.
Absolutely.
I mean, yeah, like her whole identity,
I feel like for many years was CrossFit,
right?
And it's, it can be hard to, you know,
step away from that and try to refine,
you know, what makes you happy.
And, and it, you know,
especially when you're that
part of your life, you maybe you're just,
you still like,
but you just can't do the
competition part.
So yeah, I mean,
looking forward to seeing
the things that she's going
to post and what she's, you know,
her next next adventures.
Can you are so right?
We missed our five minutes
of TV talk to start the hour.
Oh, man.
Turn it over to Jamie and
look what happens.
I don't even know what I've
been I don't know what I've
been watching this week.
Nothing really I haven't
gotten that like the movie
that you suggested.
I saw it but I skipped over
I've been pretty busy this
week so I don't have any
like any show talk here and
even watch anything.
I honestly have not watched
a single thing.
I am busy doing schoolwork.
I just started my next,
like my new semester last week.
So it's just been just prepping,
meeting my new students and
adjusting what,
where I want to go with the semester.
Cause now you get like, you know,
different levels that come in every year.
So it's just been busy,
busy first couple of weeks
and then things will start
to settle after that for me.
What's your TV?
It goes with the first
agenda item we kind of skipped over,
and that is my health, that I am back.
I'm watching a lot of Friends.
And just so you know,
the reason I watch Friends
is it's probably my
favorite show of all time.
And it's something that I
can sleep to and wake up
and sleep and wake up and sleep.
I know the show well enough
that I know where we're at.
But I've also had a lot of
anxiety with what happened
to me this last week.
And Friends has kept me even
keel during that with just
some lighthearted laughter
and nothing too serious.
Before I went in the hospital,
I was watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
I stopped that for now.
I need something normal,
something just kind of,
Easy on the brain familiar.
Yeah.
Agreed.
So Lex has a couple questions here.
Is she in Hawaii with her
boyfriend or did her family move there?
I don't believe her family moved.
So I think that she's just
there with the boyfriend
and she moved there.
I think so too.
And I noticed that back when
I went in like August that
she had put Hawaii in her bowl.
So she's been there a while.
Um,
And she doesn't have HWPO in
her bio anymore.
Did she leave that?
That's a good question
because they posted her a
couple of months ago when
they did their roster.
So that might be a new exit.
At the end of the video, she says,
when you want to know more
about my future, you'll hear it from me.
Wow.
That's a statement, huh?
She also has her YouTube channel.
So I'm sure she might start
doing a little bit more
with that and maybe showing
a different side of her.
I know I watched something
with her cooking and things like that.
So I'm sure she's going to
explore different avenues as well.
Yeah.
We got a Christopher Alford.
Carolyn, what do you teach?
My daughter is a music teacher.
So I have a grade nine math, grade 10 math,
and then a grade 11 and 12 fitness class,
which I crushed today.
It's great.
I'm sure you crush that every day.
They got to love having you as a fitness.
They have a lot of respect.
That's for sure.
And this group that I have this semester,
they all took the class in grade 10,
basically almost all of them.
And they have continued to
work out at lunchtime and
They've all signed up for
different gyms and they
come in now with their little notebooks,
write the workout,
write all their lifts and everything.
Like they're so independent.
It's really nice to see them take that,
you know, very passionate with their.
That's awesome.
And you have an affiliate in the school.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's, that's the gym.
It's just the affiliate.
So I get access to some of
the affiliate benefits and,
That's really cool.
Okay, another athlete.
Lazar leaves Mayhem.
This one's news to me.
So Scott found some recent
information that I hadn't seen.
So you have an Instagram post on this?
All right.
Nope.
Nope.
All these pins get me.
Oh, yeah, I know.
Hey, that was it.
I think I had seen something
about the fact that he was
going back to his previous
coach from when he did the
best at the games, right?
Is that what we had seen?
I don't remember where it was.
I think he pulled it.
Yeah, he may have pulled it.
But it did mention something
about going back to his
roots when he first
finished top 10 at the
games and then had a
picture with a coach or
something like that.
And then...
Assuming he's going back there.
It could just be,
that's his like coach where
he lives and then still
follows the mayhem program,
which you see a lot of times, um,
when people don't really
live in Tennessee.
Yeah.
It's gotta be hard.
I mean, you can follow the man programming,
but I feel like if you had
the thing going,
if you aren't going to be
in that camp with them,
you probably better off
with the personal coach that you had.
Yeah, it might be in a story.
Let me look real quick.
Yeah, it could be a story.
I just showed it where he
does advertise for ATB lab programming.
There's a comment he makes.
So I'm back for that video we just showed.
And here.
That's the one, I think.
Whoops.
I tried to pause and it went.
2021, my first CrossFit Games,
first top 10 finish, first event win,
and the best male rookie of the year.
All done with this, man.
Glad to be back to finish what we started.
Good for him.
Ken says here,
I remember Rich saying a
couple years ago that it
seems the trend for people
to only be at Mayhem for
about three to four years
at most and then move on.
I
I mean,
that could be due to the intensity
at which they train.
Rich has said so many times
the training age of his
body is just too much wear and tear.
They go hard there.
They do a lot of volume.
I kind of think that's the
case in most camps.
You can only hang around for
so long and keep up for so long.
Yeah.
And if you know the coach like very well,
you have that good relationship.
Sometimes it just has a
little bit less pressure.
You know,
you can be more honest with your
training with that person
and adjust things as you need.
Do you want me to do my
health update before?
Yeah.
Yeah.
At least we're trying to
save you from talking.
We know you're going to do
you also with Cheryl tomorrow,
but please tell us everything that you,
you know, you're going through.
So if you listen to the
weight loss show last week,
I was kind of hitting a
breaking point where I
couldn't breathe much.
I couldn't breathe very well.
And with Cheryl and I talked
about the stresses in my life,
like my sister's having
cancer removed tomorrow,
some different things like that.
So I went to the family
doctor that Tuesday,
which would be a week and a half ago.
He diagnosed me with lung infection,
gave me antibiotics and steroids.
I get to Friday,
I start to feel a little bit better.
Saturday, fell off a cliff,
like could barely breathe,
could barely even walk like
to the bathroom.
And my wife is like,
we're going to the ER.
So we go outside and I'm in
such a panic attack,
like I can't even get in my car.
I can't even describe like
like every time I got in the car,
I couldn't breathe.
Was it the anxiety of going
to the ER or was it?
I don't know.
So I had like so much gas.
My stomach was protruding out.
And every time I like
crunched into the car,
it felt like you're cutting
off my airway.
And and so she takes me to the ER.
I finally get in there.
I opened this, we like,
it was cold Saturday.
Like we had the sunroof open.
We had the windows open,
but thank goodness the ER
is only like 10 minutes up the street.
So we get there,
couldn't ask for better care.
They get me in like 15 tests
done in five minutes, like bing, bang,
boom, chest x-ray, chest, a CAT scan.
Stomach x-ray.
Just one thing after another.
And they found the AFib within 10 minutes.
Hooked me up to an EKG.
Found that immediately.
And then it was put me on
medicine to try to get that
to correct itself.
That wasn't happening very fast.
So they decided they were
going to transfer me to the hospital.
Squad came and got me at
like 4 o'clock in the morning.
On Saturday night, Sunday morning,
I go to the hospital.
They hook me up to everything,
another bunch of tests.
And what had happened was a
lot of things around it.
So the AFib is the most important thing,
which is not life-threatening in itself,
but it can cause strokes.
It can cause some other things.
So you want to get it under control.
Um, but the,
I had that sinus surgery in
October and it was on prednisone a lot.
That prednisone pushed my
blood sugar up to three 80.
And eventually we learned my
A1C to 10 and it was like six,
six months ago.
So now I'm in like diabetic condition.
need to have that.
Blood pressure stayed okay.
It was a little bit variant,
but it was in the okay range.
Trying to think what else
I'm still doing the coughing thing.
So they're having me spit in
a cup so that can go off to lab.
Um, they're giving me stuff for that.
Um, and every time that like I'm coughing,
I'm panicking because it's
closing off my airway to like everything.
Um, I have so many medications right now.
It's insane.
And so I stayed there for a couple days.
Everything leveled out.
My heartbeat was 150 beats a
minute to 165 beats a
minute when I went into the ER.
When I got let go,
it was between 65 and 75,
but still not synced.
So they sent me home with medications.
I don't trust my family doctor anymore.
And I talked to the doctor
in the hospital.
Like, what do I do?
I don't trust him because
every time I go there,
all he does is throw pills
at me and doesn't like do
the tests I need done.
So they set me up with a
counselor to get a new doctor.
So I see the new doctor next Friday.
I see the cardiologist on
Monday to kind of follow up.
The cardiologist is going to
make the decision on Monday.
If the medicine hasn't done it enough,
they're going to send an
appointment to shock my
heart back into rhythm.
So it's still irregular right now?
Yeah.
And do you feel that?
Now I'm acutely aware of it.
I can feel a flutter in my
chest every time it gets way off.
So they hooked me up to a
machine in the hospital and there's two,
two beats going.
There's a top of your heart
and the bottom of your
heart and the closer they're matched,
the better I feel.
So if one's beating it like
65 beats a minute and one's
at 68 beats a minute,
I'm feeling really good
even though it's still off.
But if they vary,
I feel like a flutter in my chest and it,
it just zaps me.
So, yeah,
Monday's the decision whether
they bring me in and shock
the heart back to rhythm.
Or if it's so bad,
they need to do an ablation,
which means they go in.
There's a sensor at the top
of the heart that basically
you go in and you clean it off,
and then it sets it back to rhythm.
Okay.
That's kind of like what's coming up.
But in the meantime,
I'm taking all these diabetes medicines.
I'm taking heart or they
have me on blood pressure
just because a stroke is
the most dangerous thing.
Anything that can cause a stroke,
they're trying to get my
stuff as low as possible.
So I'm like,
I have to inject insulin for
the first time in my life.
I am taking metformin.
I am taking heart pressure
or blood pressure medicine.
it's just crazy are you
taking the insulin like on
your like the finger or
like to go in your stomach
or yeah I have to prick my
finger to read my blood
sugar then I have to inject
it into my stomach or my
thigh or whatever I thought
that would be hard it was
not yeah um but it's just
how many times a day do you
have to do that
The insulin just once.
And it's because it's for sleeping.
It's like a longer lasting
medicine where like the
metformin I take only lasts
for a few hours.
So you take that like during
the day when you're awake
and can take it.
And then at night you take
the insulin to kind of get
you through the night.
Are you getting through the night?
Are you sleeping through the night?
Sleeping way better.
Okay.
Um, my cough is actually reduced, um,
through all of this.
It's still there.
And I still like cough up
phlegm occasionally, but not like I was.
And, uh, I was telling Jamie,
the analysis on the phlegm came back.
I don't understand anything it says.
So I'll have to wait for the
doctor to tell me what that means.
Um,
I hate that.
I just want, Dash,
I hope this new doctor gets
you some answers.
Like,
you need to get to the bottom of this.
This has gone on for far too long.
I want to answer.
Kenneth says, did they say what caused it?
They say you can't know what causes AFib.
Like it,
it is the most common irregular
heartbeat in the world.
Millions of people have it
and you don't know why it happens.
And I can tell you the
amount of people that have
reached out to me who have
it has blown me away.
Um, the amount of DMS I've gotten,
the amount of well wishes I've gotten,
I am, I'm, I mean,
I like cried this afternoon.
I think CrossFit sent me a card.
Wishing me well.
Unreal, unreal.
And I appreciate each and
every one of the messages.
They mean the world to me.
But these people that have
gone through what I've gone
through and know what it's
like and are on the other side,
those messages mean so much
to me because they're
giving me the confidence
that in a few weeks I should be better.
So what's your routine like during the day,
the last couple of days?
Are you at home?
So I got home Tuesday night.
Basically,
it is... I have not been back to work.
And the only thing normal
I've done is today these two shows.
With Jason Grubb this
morning and this one tonight.
Everything else is just get
through the day.
Yesterday, I...
Here we go, cheesy me.
Before all this happened,
I bought my wife Lego flowers,
and then I went to the
hospital and couldn't get them made.
So yesterday I was putting them together,
and it helped me so much
just to clear my mind,
just to do something with my fingers.
And I know it sounds juvenile,
but it just helped.
So I'm trying to do more
puzzly stuff during the day
when I'm awake,
just to keep my mind off of things.
but yeah.
Are you able to like go for
a walk and let's say with
the dog or anything?
I do not want the heart
elevated at all until they
figure this out.
Yeah.
I'm pretty much on like a bed rest.
Yeah.
Well, we're glad to see you back today.
Yeah.
It's good to be back.
Uh,
but the grub interview did take it out
of me.
Um,
But thank goodness he talks a lot.
I know that was said in the
comments earlier because it
did give me time to kind of
recoup the voice while he
was talking to be able to ask questions,
but.
yeah yeah you you have so
many people praying for you
right and I know you're
getting those messages but
yeah everyone's been behind
you uh you've seen the
posts you've seen the other
channels speaking about you
so yeah just know that
people are here for you um
Yeah.
We,
we are praying that this doctor figures
some things out and we get
to the bottom of all of this.
It's really got me.
So the other,
the thing about the doctors and all that,
like, I'm just pissed off.
I just want to,
now I'm in a mode where get me,
get me back to like
function and let me kick some ass.
Right.
That's just where I want to be now.
I want, like,
I have all these prescriptions.
Let's start checking those
off and throwing them in a trash.
Like, I want to like,
just get rid of them all.
And it gives me a goal to
like shoot for let's take
nine down to seven.
Let's take seven down to
five and let's go.
Yep.
Yep.
So, so that's it.
Well, the channel, if you want more,
more delving into this,
Scott's going to go over it
with Cheryl tomorrow.
So there'll be even more in-depth talk.
So join, get some more background and, um,
Yeah, hop in on that.
Okay,
so I thought I'd jump in on this
trend of...
the versus series.
Um, and so, and I, I have a unique,
I think, uh, perspective in my gym of,
I now have Haley Rolfe, a, uh,
three time team games athlete.
She's 18 training right beside me.
And then I have Jim, uh,
2022 third fittest man, 65 plus, um,
that trains next to me every single day.
So a pretty wide array of, um,
ages, I'd say we're both,
we're all highly competitive.
Um, so I want to run, you know,
I want to shoot like once a week,
one of our tougher workouts, um, and,
and show people like 18 year old,
a 40 year old and a 67 year old man, um,
what fitness at any age looks like.
And maybe I'll occasionally
get one of like my regular
class members in there.
So you can even see a
general population person
competing alongside us.
Um,
I don't know.
I don't know if this will pick up or not.
I've gotten quite a few
comments today that say
they love this idea.
I know Taylor Self is doing
it or Jason Hopper is
throwing his weekly ones up.
We'll see.
Look at Jim's Toto bars.
Somebody call him out on that.
No rep.
Would you do the open with
them live or do you want to
keep your scores still
because it's competitive with the
I don't know how we'll do
the open Haley and I will
probably so Haley and I are
going to try to also go
team with two other guys so
we may keep that like not
post it until like Monday
but we will probably do the
workout together so there
will probably be video of
Haley and I doing the
workout together and Jim
usually runs opposite of me
because I need to really
walk him through some things
Scott knows that.
Yeah, Jim is no ordinary 67-year-old.
He is incredibly fit.
His engine is amazing.
He's
He's similar to me in the
top-end strength isn't quite there.
The difference, I'd say,
is he also doesn't have
some top-end gymnastic skills.
He doesn't have ring
muscle-ups or a bar muscle-up.
He can't hold a free...
That's what held him out
last year from making the
games was the freestanding
handstand hold.
He only got a second.
If he would have been able
to do three seconds,
he would have made it.
He just...
his shoulder mobility is, I mean,
we try to work on it every day, but yeah.
So if you guys like it, hop on the channel,
hop on that video and
thumbs up it and comment so
that it helps the algorithm.
And I'll try to put more of these out.
Where do we find it?
Is it on the Clydesdale media one?
It is.
Okay.
So it's going to be there.
And will it be, you said once a week?
Yeah.
And so and I don't know, like,
I want to pick a workout
that's like under 14 minutes.
So it's not so long.
This happened to be a 20 minute AMRAP.
And I ended up shortening
the middle like five to 18 minutes.
I like sped it way up.
You can see it's started.
Well, no, it hasn't kicked up yet.
But yeah,
because I want to talk through
the workout.
And I don't want us to sit
there and talk for 15 minutes.
So I'm hoping to find a little bit.
Yes.
Some shorter ones might be a
little bit more.
You know,
who wants... I don't know who
wants to watch.
Andrew,
you got to comment on the video and
call Jim out.
Yeah.
I don't... You know,
we'll see how long... They
won't all be this long.
We'll try to find some shorter workouts.
We'll try to find... If you
go and watch this,
Haley and I talk about
competing with each other.
So...
I will try to find a barbell
centric workout that Haley
has a much better shot at
beating me at that.
We've done a lot of
gymnastics workouts lately
that give me the upper edge.
So I'm sure she's itching to
beat me in a workout.
She's 18.
So she's aged up now this year.
Yes.
Yeah, she's aged up.
Yep.
Which so she's not going to
be quite competitive enough to make
A semi, I don't think.
So I think that's why we've
decided to try to put together a team.
I mean, it would,
it'd be a miracle if we made semis,
but it'd be fun to go as a group.
So, and Azariah Price is our,
one of our other guys,
also a team member.
But it's also cool that the
masters are able to do the
whole... Because there are
different times of the year,
you have your own path,
and then you can also do team.
Yeah, I know.
I love that.
I thought that was cool.
Ken,
the best part of the video was the
DBAB discussion.
I don't even know what we discussed.
What is DBAB?
Does anyone else know what DBAB is?
Discussion.
Discussion.
I think it says auto-correct.
He put that in the comments too.
Oh,
like just our discussion in general was
your favorite part of the video?
I'm guessing it.
Oh, yeah, we did say don't be a bitch.
We both were like,
I was telling myself don't be a bitch.
Got it, got it.
The one thing I also want to
put out here is Jamie did this on her own,
and it is awesome.
I love every bit of it.
But one thing we want to
focus on is all the other
people that are doing these
types of workouts are men.
50% of the sport is women,
and it's just as popular.
And maybe Jamie and Carolyn
do a head-to-head on one of these weeks.
Who knows?
It's limitless what we can do with this.
Right.
For sure.
Yeah.
And I wouldn't,
I was considering that too.
Like if, if this starts to pick up,
like I was thinking that
like I could send Carol in
a workout I'm going to do,
we can both do it even if
it's a day or two apart,
but I could take the videos
and put them next to each
other on the screen and we can show that.
Yeah.
Um, I'm, I'm totally up for any other,
like,
and not to like try to do a fit
where it would just be like,
here's a workout and we can
analyze it and just, you know, over it.
Like we can come on the show,
you guys can talk over it,
how it felt for each of you
differently with your skill set.
There's a lot of men's versions of this.
We need to get the women their shine too.
And teens and masters.
Yeah.
And so...
I think we could do a lot.
You know, we,
we did the whole legend series.
We have a ton of masters
contacts that we could do
the same thing with them.
I think it'd be cool.
And I, and you know,
thank you so much for you
did all this while I was in the hospital.
Yeah, I didn't.
And guys, I threw this up last night.
I was trying to not bother Scott.
He's like,
just put it on your own channel.
I was like, that won't be the same.
And I'm trying to do it all alone.
And I'm not super proficient
with all of this software yet.
So I did my best here to put a draft out.
And we'll see if it gets some likes,
shares.
Um, yeah, if you guys like share it,
I might reshare my story in
my Instagram and you guys
can reshare that and get more,
more views here.
It would totally help.
Like you guys heard this
morning with Jason,
it's all about the
algorithm and getting
YouTube to pick up on things.
So you guys can help.
We'll keep pushing out this kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Cause it's the comments or
something that you have to put, right?
Like we're always doing in
the chat for the, like the live chat,
but then once the video goes up,
if there's not any in the comments,
then it's
Right?
It doesn't bring it up as much.
Is that what happens?
Yeah, I know.
That's part of it.
It's hard figuring out
YouTube's algorithm.
I'll say that.
So yeah,
look for another one of those next week.
But moving on.
Don fall has said that a
significant amount of money
will be pulled from the
games team and used to
support the affiliates.
What does this mean for the support?
What are the affiliates asking for?
I mean,
I guess we don't know yet because
they haven't announced any
prize money or broadcast deals.
I'm fine if they want to
take money out as long as
there's sponsorships that
are coming in to fill the
money that would be needed.
you know, given by CrossFit.
Because if CrossFit can save money and,
you know,
allow other players to enter the space,
that's, I mean, that's great.
But if there's no other
players plus CrossFit removing,
then that sucks for the sport side of it.
Because that's, you know,
a huge entertainment part of CrossFit.
And it'd be sad.
Well, I feel like they've already...
taken money out of the sport
by dropping the semi-finals
right and giving and and
that's a good choice we've
all we all think that
that's a good idea to give
it back to the local comps
um syndicate running their
theirs um so there's
already money that they've
saved on the table
and where so where are they
pulling there's pulling
more money from all the
influx of open and quarters
and they're keeping that
and push putting it towards
affiliates like I don't
quite understand like if
the money is coming in for
the sports side that needs
to be supporting the sports
side because that's clearly
where people are showing
you they want their money
they're putting their money
where their mouth is and if
that's where they want it
then you need to keep
investing in the sports side um
don't know what the
affiliates are even asking
for more more content that
isn't game centric I don't
know I mean yes they they
should be you know pumping
out content you know daily
essentially of affiliates
and uh you know like
basically what you're doing
like you know older members
uh younger masters teenagers
just more content in general,
people from all over the world,
not just in the States.
You know,
people have different backgrounds,
you know,
just pumping out just content constantly.
So I don't know if they just
need more people to be
traveling around the world.
I know that like the money
from the CrossFit open and
stuff like it is good.
good amount of money with
the quarterfinals,
but there's still like all
those expenses for the semifinals,
for the, for the buildings,
for the broadcast, the games,
like it's still not enough.
They're still taking a lot of money from,
I'm assuming from the L
ones and everything else
outside of the sport.
So I'm sure they're using up
all of the sport money already.
Plus some of the other level
one stuff that they have
money from there.
And I'm sure they just want
to be like a little bit less,
but I don't know what that
significant amount is going to be.
And yeah,
how that's going to affect
which is weird because you
have the teenage games and
the masters the same
weekend to me that just
made it more expensive
because now two broadcast
deals two it you know
wouldn't that be more
expensive this is the one
thing that about all of
this and this is further
down in the notes but we
can jump to it because it
kind of does coincide like
I don't understand when you
say you're trying to save
money in the games because
it's so expensive.
And then you split into
three different venues.
Now you got to pay for three venues.
You got to pay for three broadcasts.
You got to pay for three
shipments of equipment to
be sent to three different places.
And then you're requiring
triple the sponsors, right?
to show to attend or chip in
when it could just be the
one location it would make
more sense to get like few
bigger sponsors in a bigger
monetary sense um I i this
is just mind-boggling to me
there's no way this is
saving money and to me it
like the biggest thing
comes down to again this is
further down in the notes
but like the athlete kit we
talked about this with uh
this morning,
is such a giant draw for athletes.
You're talking about the
swag bag stuff from the games?
Yeah.
That's the only reason I
wanted to go to the games in 2019.
That is the only reason.
I was like, oh my god,
I get all these pairs of shoes,
all this clothes.
I wanted to make the cut
because I had more clothes.
That was my goal to make the cut was like,
oh,
I can enter into the prize money and I
just got a new set of
outfits with my name on it.
That's how it was.
I was going there for the kit.
That is what I've been trying to say.
There are numerous.
I mean,
you're talking in the hundreds of
athletes that are just
vying to get to that break
into that spot just to show up.
I know people say this all the time.
If you aren't telling
yourself you're going there to win,
there are lots of athletes
that that's not in their mind.
They are just going there to make it,
to win it, to get the kit.
They have put up with years
and years of striving for this, attending,
spending money on other
local comps or traveling to
mid-level comps just to get
the experience.
to walk away with little to
no prizes or swags at these
to tiptoe their way into
the games just to get the
swag back that is the first
time at least the first
time that's that's it like
that's that's what's
drawing these people to to
keep buying for that spot
ariel lowen told everyone
that just about to say
that's why right that's why
she went to grant games
just to get the freaking placard
Yeah.
I was like, yeah, like, dude, that's,
that's the fun.
Like once after a while, you know,
the first year you're
willing to spend that money
and you're like, I don't care if I'm,
you know, out 2000, 3000.
Cause I got all this clothes.
I got these signs,
everything after a while.
You're like, okay,
I don't need the clothes.
I actually just,
I need the support for the competition.
But for those initial times
that you like qualify,
those kids are super important.
Those are memories.
like I went through my
clothes the other maybe a
month ago I couldn't throw
away any of the things that
I had from like the first
games I'm like no there's
you're attached that
clothes like that that pair
of pants I've worn this
event this it's like it's
memories yeah it I've
spent like days like stressing over this.
And when I heard Bob say on
the podcast the other day
with Jason that they
announced the gear sponsor
and for the athlete kit for masters.
And it's someone we've never heard of.
They don't have bags.
It's not Northern tool, but close.
They don't have bags.
They don't have shoes.
So we, so we're,
Huh?
Will Gold Rock do it for the Masters?
No, no, no.
We're getting so we are
going to be exactly as I expected.
The redheaded stepchild of
this entire thing.
We're going to go get a
couple of shirts and a couple of shorts,
which is exactly what we
got at MFC and Legends.
So what is it?
What is other than maybe the
top two or three that have
a chance of winning the podium money?
What is it that's going to
draw an athlete to go to
the Masters games as
opposed to Legends in December?
If I if I personally lived
like at this point,
I might as well not go and
I might as well just go to
MFC because I can drive there.
It's cheaper.
I'm going to get the exact
same thing out of it.
I'm going to get an outfit and.
You know,
you're not going to get as many
people from South America
or Europe or Australia like
traveling like that.
for the Masters as well.
It's already been separated, right?
Those athletes were coming, you know,
because they were competing at the games.
Then they got to watch and, you know,
watch the individuals, watch the teams or,
you know, go around the vendor village,
et cetera.
but now it's just the masters.
So it's like,
what's going to draw all of
these athletes in or the
teenagers or the adaptive division too.
I mean,
even the adaptive divisions at the
same time as the SoCal, uh,
water Palooza.
So all three, uh,
Of the split off games.
Are clashing.
With like something.
With each other.
Or with another major event.
Which is just unfortunate for the vendors.
Unfortunate for the athletes.
Everything.
I wish.
I wish somehow.
Somebody was willing to.
Get that.
Through to HQ.
That like.
The athlete kit is.
one of the most important
things like and
unfortunately like speaking
with Jason like he doesn't seem to
It doesn't matter to him.
Well,
it doesn't matter because you've been
there four or five times
and you have years of gear.
And so like,
it doesn't matter to you anymore,
but it does matter to a lot of people.
And a lot of people who are like 32, 33,
who didn't make it and are
going to like excited to
turn 35 to go that way.
I mean, that was always my whole thing.
Like I have spent years just
trying to make it just to
get the kit and to have the
exact same thing that everyone else had.
And yeah,
it's four three four grand
easily worth of stuff I
mean they got everyone got
an ice bath last year we're
not going to get anything
like that like mine's my
new kitchen table because
it won't fit on my balcony
that's my that's my kitchen
Yeah, I don't know.
It's just, it's heartbreaking for me.
So the one thing I don't
want to get lost in this is
I've been a big supporter of Don Fall.
I like him a lot.
He lost me on this one.
Okay.
And in the notes I put, like,
what do the affiliates want
with this money?
What do they feel they're missing?
And then you have people
like Dale King coming on
kettlebells and cocktails saying,
it's not CrossFit's
responsibility to bring
people into my doors.
That's my job.
That's what I'm supposed to do.
He,
what he wants is the stuff he can't do.
Like the legal representation of the name,
the make sure you protect
the brand so that it's there for me.
It just feels like CrossFit
HQ in this move and in this
announcement is going very Orange Theory,
very that corporate gym mentality.
And I don't think that's
what the affiliates want.
And you can't count dollar for dollar,
50-50 split.
They're two different entities.
And I think earlier in the comments,
Kenneth said,
I bet you if you took a poll
of people who got into CrossFit,
75% of them did it because
they watched the games on
ESPN and went to a gym.
Which again goes back to
bringing people within the gym.
I don't know how well Dale
King's gym is doing,
but at the end of the day,
affiliates still want...
CrossFit to still help in some way,
you know,
bring a better reputation to the
word CrossFit in terms of
safety and coaching and stuff like that.
So I think that's where the
money needs to go.
They posted something today
with safety and injuries.
You know,
it's protecting the name of
CrossFit to bring more
people to the affiliates.
It's still the games and the
Netflix documentaries or if
they want to do other types
of documentaries to continue to expose,
you know,
people outside of our population
to CrossFit to then bring
them to their local
affiliates and stuff like that.
So, I mean...
It's both.
It's what CrossFit can do in
terms of the name.
And indirectly,
it's bringing people to their affiliates.
They still want more members.
So my big overarching question on this is,
do you think this means at
some point they try to
split it off again?
I don't think so.
Like between the health,
like CrossFit for health
and then CrossFit sport, you mean?
Yeah.
I hope not.
I don't know.
I think, I think they're, they're related.
I think they're, they're different,
but they're, they're, they're together.
But for me, it's just like, it's,
it's the name.
I still, you know, if I, if I'm teaching,
let's say kids and I say
the word CrossFit,
they're still kids that
even in this generation now,
because they watch a lot of
bodybuilding and, um, you know,
and they're like, Oh,
CrossFit and kipping pull-ups and,
Like there's still a
negative like view of the
word CrossFit and intensity and injuries.
So that's where I think we
need to continue like the CrossFit to,
you know,
push to protect our name and to
take away all of these
ideas that's on the
internet or just word of
mouth from people that are
not fans of CrossFit.
But to separate them, I don't know,
because I think the
intensity part is still
getting everyone fitter with age.
The Masters population is huge in CrossFit,
and they still can look up
to someone within their age group,
which is really cool to see
what's possible at that age.
I don't know.
I don't think you can separate fully.
I don't know.
In one hand, I want to say yes,
it should be separated
because they clearly can't,
they seem to not be able to
see the difference.
And I would almost prefer
them to not have any aspect
of the open money or anything,
and that all just be a separate entity.
And if the sport
wants to support the sport
then it will and the money
will go where it should go
and in that aspect like
they need to be separate so
they can't intertwine the
funds and we don't get this
muddling of well it's just
costing us too much money
is it because I mean I feel
like if the games is truly
sustainable if that's if
people are going to pay for
it then there's money to be
made there in some fashion
and somebody would pick it
up maybe it'd be rogue I have no idea
Um, but in one way, in one aspect,
I almost feel like it does
need to be separated
because we just keep getting this.
It costs too much.
Well,
then you shouldn't be in charge of it.
It's like government doing anything.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
If they, if they have the support, I mean,
it seemed like we were
heading that direction, like in 2018,
like we were going to get
these big deals or something, um,
to cover the sport.
And then we just kind of
lost all the media.
Right.
I mean, if it can work, sure.
Where has the buildup been to the open?
And Instagram here or there,
it seems like HQ just neglects YouTube.
I've, yeah, I've seen a few, I don't know.
I'd say every few days I see
a post on like Facebook or Instagram, um,
showing,
showing just a general member
doing the open in their gym, um, with,
you know,
an inspirational message of like,
this is why we do the openness.
I've, I've had a lot of those.
I've shared them to my own
private team page.
Um, so they're,
they're popping up on my end.
Or they're reposting
previous head-to-head
matchups I've seen a lot.
Those are the ones that seem
to be better on the views.
I was looking at some of the
views that they've had.
Those ones are doing well.
Like the throwbacks of, let's say,
Pat Delner versus someone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be my complaint
with their YouTube is their
YouTube has become just a
retread of something
they've done in the past.
They're still getting views though.
Like, don't get me wrong.
Show in the past open announcements,
they're doing well.
And here's my other beef is
if you've signed up for the open before,
and I know Kenneth hasn't.
So like, because of everything going on,
I've not signed up for the open.
I get a daily reminder that
I need to sign up because I
signed up before like every single day.
But I'm not who you should
be marketing to.
Right?
Like how much are you
investing in retention of
the people you have as
opposed to getting more?
Trying to find new people.
Yeah.
I don't know.
The few things that I've
seen on Facebook seem to be
the direction I think they
should be going.
maybe it's not getting enough traction.
Maybe again, algorithms,
I don't know what's not
getting that out to new people.
Maybe CrossFit should be
sending stuff to affiliate owners on,
you know,
send these to all of your members.
Right.
Not just the ones that I've signed up,
but these are like, yeah,
don't know why you should be
doing the open what what it
can be good for for the
following year like just
like certain templates for
the affiliates so that they
can then grab that
information and then boom
they send it to them just
to facilitate some of the
that side for the members
like that could be
something that hq could be
doing you know um I know
for um like crossfit canada
um our affiliate manager
sent a few uh like
is it through canvas stuff
of why you're doing the open?
And like,
she sent us a few things to the
affiliate owners just to
share on our pages or stuff
or to members.
Like, I think that idea is good.
Yeah.
I just, I love Kenneth to lap.
He always puts that little
sneaky backhand compliment in for us.
We are talking about Colton next, Ken.
Here we go.
His first ever podcast?
Yes.
His first ever podcast was
on this channel.
That's when he made it.
That's when you knew he made it,
right there.
Yep.
Good job, Scott, with that one.
You know how to pick them.
um okay so we've just got
announced that week two
announcement is going to be
justin madero's first
colton mertens um we
already know that colton is
doing the taylor self first
the world uh week three
with um taylor so is that
is that a lot of
head-to-head competition is
that like an unnecessary
amount of anxiety you think carolyn
No, because I think the Open doesn't, like,
doesn't matter.
You know, it's 25%.
And then the thing that's
different this year is the
quarterfinals are pushed
back for the individuals
about a month after the Open.
So it's actually fine if you
want to grab a little bit
more intensity and, you know,
do the Open announcement,
go with your buddies and go
head-to-head there.
Because I think that's good
practice for then a month later-ish.
for the quarterfinals.
I don't think it like, you know,
before it was like a week
off and then boom, you know,
you're already almost like getting,
you know, ready for that.
But no, I think,
I think it's fine for him.
Yeah.
I Colton seems to be,
he'd like thrives in these
situations and he seems to
be grabbing at all of these
opportunities.
He's eating up this, this,
Which is strange for him
because he doesn't seem
like a sociable guy,
but he's taking all of
these handouts that are coming his way.
If there's an opportunity,
he's grabbing it.
He's kind of like showing,
I don't know if it's like a
new personality or his
personality from before,
or he's just more buying
into this character that
he's kind of been given in
the CrossFit space of that
put your head down and
you're working hard and
that farm boy type.
attitude and you guys are all, you know,
crying on the floor and I'm fine.
Yeah.
He's buying into that.
And I think that's a
separation for him in terms
of sponsorship.
You know,
you have to find if that's working,
find it and run with it.
And I feel like that's what
he's doing lately is he's
just running away like with that type of
And I think this is good for him.
I was just surprised that it
was two athletes because I
remember Dave said it's
going to be more than two
and less than seven.
Yeah.
Then you saw two and I was like,
is there more coming?
I got to think,
I got to think there's two
females coming still.
I want to say there's got to
be two females,
especially with that gold barbell.
Yeah.
A few events.
I don't think that they
would do all of those
events just head to head.
Justin versus Colton that
whole day doing a few events.
Cause I don't think that would be good.
Maybe mentally for either of the athletes,
you know?
I want to ask you this, Carolyn,
are you a chip on your shoulder athlete?
Because Colton has always
been a chip on his shoulder,
but he internalized a lot of that.
Like people said,
he's too short to do wall balls.
I'm doing a hundred wall
balls a day with a 30 pound
ball until I'm great at wall balls.
Right.
And it seems like all that
internal chip is oozing out
now into an external, like,
stop with the talk that I can't do it.
I've heard it for three
years in a row that I can't get past this,
this, or this.
I'm going to get past this.
Stop it.
Do you ever go in with a
chip on your shoulder?
Yeah, I think so.
I think I well,
I'll just tell myself I'm
just trying to prove
certain people wrong if
they like say certain things about me.
I'm like, OK, well, I know what I can do.
And it's just but I don't
necessarily externally voice it.
It's more just internally
just using it as fuel to be like, OK,
this, you know,
I'm going to prove myself wrong.
Like when I used to play hockey,
I used to have a little,
I used to write on my hockey stick on my,
like the knob on my stick, PTW.
It was like, prove them wrong.
It's like, okay,
like if I got sat on the
bench and I was mad, I was like, okay,
well, next shift.
Like I just looked down my
stick and I was like, prove them wrong.
Like show them why you should be there.
And it was just like,
that was like my model,
like in hockey all the time.
or in sports was just like
prove them wrong but then
it kind of more recently
was like okay more like
proving me also not just
like them so it's kind of
like a balance a little bit
um but yeah I'd say I have
a chip on my shoulder
sometimes I think it's good
it's good I don't know what
drives me scott I i have no
idea I haven't figured it out either so
Just curious.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'll have to do some more.
I mean, I guess a little bit.
I want to beat... I don't know.
I have no idea.
I just have an extreme competitive side.
When you train,
do you visualize a certain competitor?
Like what...
like I know like when I'm training,
like I'm not visualizing a
specific competitor, but I'm visualizing,
you know,
other people putting themselves
in certain situations.
It's like,
I need to put myself here and it's like,
I want to make it here like
to the games or whatever.
Like, what do you visualize, I guess,
when you're training to keep you, I guess,
focused or keep, you know,
going through those dark
places and workouts.
Like, what do you think about just,
just pushing yourself or what you can do?
Or do you,
visualize usually it's it is
usually just myself I mean
I will say like I'll be on
the bike and I'll be like
I don't picture one athlete.
I just in my head, I'm like,
anyone else would be suffering,
would be willing to suffer
worse than you are right now.
Like shut up and don't be a
little bitch and push.
And I'll like,
I try really hard to do that.
If it's like a heavy barbell,
like step up and grab this barbell.
Like other people are
stronger than you and
they're already approaching the barbell.
But I don't have like a specific,
I don't know that anyone
has ever like been like,
you suck and, and I'm going to, and then,
and then I'm like,
want to prove them wrong.
I don't, I don't know.
So it's just a general population.
Like I just,
in any situation I envision
like people and they're
just doing better than me and I want,
and I need to push harder
and try to catch up or whatever.
So I think what I envision is just like,
what is the cut line?
And I envision like when I'm
in a pace where,
this is the pace I feel like
a games athlete would be doing it at,
or this is, you know, an elite score.
And I'm just kind of chasing
what I kind of visualize as
that elite score.
And it's like, I want to be elite.
This is what I have to do.
And I'm just trying to like chase that.
Cause I'm often just training by myself.
So that's,
I'm just trying to picture some
sort of line in front of me.
It's like, this is where I should be.
Yeah, exactly.
I'd say that's very similar.
Speaking of, I put you in my top 25.
Scott, did you finish your poll?
I did not.
I wondered.
Try to open it tonight
because I actually just
submitted mine earlier today.
And I know it said yesterday.
Let's see if you can submit it tonight.
Oh, they're redoing that.
Yeah, they did a February poll.
And yes, you were in my top 25.
Nice.
Yeah, check that.
Okay, so...
athletes coming back after a drug ban,
the Heinrich Oscarsson,
they just said he's coming back.
Should these athletes be
tested prior to coming back
or throughout their ban or I don't,
however you look at it.
They should be tested during their ban.
For sure.
Like you can't go four years
without getting tested.
It's literally like, Oh,
continue doing for a little
bit longer what you can do and then
next time you're at an
in-person competition, you'll get tested.
So, you know,
then they know they're
basically figuring out in
the next four years,
how long things take to get
out of their system.
They got four years to figure that out.
Yeah.
They got to get tested somehow.
I did hear that,
that Ricky Gerard was
tested throughout the band,
but I don't know.
It could have been one time.
One time.
Is that what it was?
One time.
So I agree with you, Carolyn, that to me,
if I'm in CrossFit and I get banned,
let's juice it up to 11 and
get as strong as I can possibly get.
And then when I know the
half-life is going to be
gone for my return back,
then let it all out, right?
But we don't even test the
current athletes enough.
I have competed in CrossFit since 2014.
I have been tested three times, I think.
And I'm on the list of I
send my whereabouts every
three to four months.
been tested three times for
the crossfit games I want
to say and I've been on
podiums like a few times in
like different competitions
they're not testing enough
because like I don't take
anything I just take
creaking that's the only
thing I take and I'm like
I'm thinking to myself damn
if I'm getting tested three
times in 10 years and I've
been to 10 10 regionals and
semi-finals like
I mean, I know some of the top,
top athletes are getting
tested a lot more,
but still the other games
athletes or bubble people,
like there's just not enough testing.
It's crazy.
It is crazy.
I don't know what the solution is.
That does seem like a big
strain on the budget.
So I don't know.
But then in my head, I'm like,
but don't waste your test on me.
Go test other people.
I'm clean.
Sure, test me, but go test people.
Just not enough.
And in the teams,
they only test two people.
So I don't know.
I'd rather pay more for
competitions knowing that
everyone gets tested.
I'd rather pay a little bit
more in the competition fee
if it means it's covering
the testing of more people.
But even then,
people at competitions are
normally off whatever they're taking.
So it's during the open, show up to a gym.
Show up to a random
affiliate that has a bunch
of people or just that you know.
Show up to an affiliate, test.
Because everyone that's on
the open or under that could be tested.
So during the open,
just show up to places.
The only people that take
during a competition are those that say,
Hey, my buddy gave me a bag of pills.
I just took them.
But I know it's expensive, but yeah,
I guess I don't know, but I guess.
Yeah.
I don't know what to do there either.
All right.
Well,
hopefully when they come back from
their ban, though,
is that they've learned their lesson.
Like, that's what you hope for, right?
Like,
that's what my heart wants to believe,
I guess.
That they're coming back.
Have you ever predicted that
Ricky would be this popular
after coming back?
No,
I thought that there would be a little
bit more.
But, like, this first year,
I think he was well –
like, uh, well received.
Yeah, he was,
he was actually well received.
I was surprised,
but I was really surprised
about his first year back
being well received.
And now he's like,
like he's one of the most
popular athletes in the sport.
Yeah.
And I think people want to
see someone learn from
their lesson and learn, um, yeah,
like learn from their lesson.
And then,
like a comeback story.
Like we all love a comeback story.
I think that's what's drawing people in.
The only thing I didn't like
from that situation is that
his brother popped for the
same thing two years later.
And you're like, did he learn?
That's where I'm like, what,
what about Ricky makes you
think he learned from his lesson?
And especially knowing his brother,
like maybe he just learned how to cycle.
No comment.
I don't know.
For me,
the tough part is that his brother
tested positive two years.
Like that, that was a tough part.
Cause I was like, well,
one of them hasn't learned
their lesson at least, but you, you hope,
I don't know.
I hope that cause he's,
he's really a phenomenal athlete.
Like he's not just a crosser.
Like he's a really good athlete.
I think he played rugby.
He's a great mountain biker or like,
it's like, I,
I like the athletes in this sport.
So he's, he's an athlete.
So like, I, I hope that he can, that he's,
learned ldy2742 if you're
caught they should be
tested every three months
make the athlete pay for it
I do like that you want to
compete that's an
interesting take yeah
something like that I guess
I i don't I don't even know
how much the testing is but
something like that yeah I have no clue
but I guess they would know
when they're buying their
own test to get tested.
And I don't know how that would work, but.
Yeah.
It's you got to pay the penance, right?
You're the one that tested positive.
You want to stay in the sport.
You got to pay for this over
the next four years.
Well,
Brian friend on what's it called
around the whiteboard is
what it's called.
I'd like propose that if you
test positive and then you
rat someone else out,
that is also juicing that
it would reduce yours.
Cause it would basically try
to get more people to get tested.
I still don't like the fact
that you would reduce yours.
Like going to rat someone else out.
Shouldn't reduce what you did.
Like you still tested positive.
It should get, you know,
your four years just by,
pointing fingers and say, well,
go and test these ones that
I got the supply from or whatever,
shouldn't be reducing your bad.
But if it's going to grab more people,
I don't know.
Both are, I don't know.
What do you think about that?
Yeah,
I thought it was an interesting take.
I would almost be willing to
dock a year just to get
more people caught.
It may be worth it.
So then it would go like that.
No, no more than one year though.
No more than one year.
Agreed.
Like just cause you do two,
you don't get two years.
If you start going into two
years and stuff and all of
a sudden that would be.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
Exactly.
We attribute that to the right Brian.
It was Brian spin.
What did I say?
Friend.
Oh, sorry.
Uh, yeah.
Brian spin.
Wow.
Yes, yes, yes.
When you said that Brian
Friend was on Around the World,
I knew that that topic was on.
I was like, well,
that's news that he was brought on.
I don't even know why I said Brian Friend.
Different people.
Yeah.
Brian.
All right.
All right.
Open predictions.
So, Scott,
you want us to guess what we
think the first workout might be?
Is that what you want to predict?
This isn't my note.
Oh, all right, Carolyn.
All right, let's go.
I don't know.
I was just asking if you had
any predictions for the Open coming up.
Prediction workout-wise or
prediction... Yeah, workout-wise.
Okay.
Movement-wise, week one.
Because you said it's unique.
I know.
I'm intrigued by the wording
around week one.
CrossFit...
I think it's going to be
simple classic CrossFit.
What's going to be unique in there?
I don't know.
That to me is not unique.
I would like to think that
they are done with the
introductions of new
movements in the open.
It's
I just, I don't think that's a good idea.
I don't think that's the
place to introduce them.
It's too many people
interpreting something new.
Online.
Yeah.
I think that also,
I think I would also go
with quarterfinals for that too.
I think if there's a new
movement introduced,
I would like to see it in
person with top judges and
then have it trickle down from there.
But when you have non judges,
top judges and affiliates
grabbing new movements.
I don't think that's a good idea.
Cindy.
I don't think you're going
to see burpee or pushups in, in the open.
That's, that's a recipe for disaster,
but there could be a version of that,
whether it be like burpee
Cindy or Dave pipes every year.
And it's never crazy different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He does have a way to just draw you in.
Like,
it's just like the way he would speak
at the games, the way that he just,
you know, those words about the open,
like you're just,
those are the things I
think that people miss the
most is just the way he
talks about workouts and
just gets you anxious.
Literally, you're like listening to him.
You're like, oh my gosh,
there's a lot of pain coming up.
Yeah, that makes sense.
It makes me think that it
won't be a retest because
that's not really unique.
Like what if it's like the
seven minutes of burpees,
but it's like seven minutes of,
they had a 10 minutes of
burpee box jump overs on cap or.com.
I,
I get them mixed up now because a lot of
cap has been showing up on.com.
Something like that is just gross.
Yeah.
So I would and so and I we
actually were just talking
about this recently.
I would like to see burpee
pull either burpee or
bar muscle up or burpee ring
muscle up um because I
personally think not
connecting those reps like
I've said this before like
a ring muscle up with the
dip I think is the way to
do it or or burpee ring
muscle ups so that it you
can't really get away with
that push away as much um
and making those be singles
and um I just think this
one is the first one right
um so yeah like a burpee
bar muscle up I think would be
Let me propose this.
Everywhere we're hearing Boz
and Dave talk about how we
have to change the way
workouts look so that everybody can start,
not everybody can finish.
And maybe workout one is a
demonstration of that.
So my first ever open workout was 13-1.
It was 50 burpees, then snatches,
lightweight.
Then you went more burpees or less burpees,
but then a heavier snatch.
What if you did like both?
You start with regular
burpees and you do a light snatch.
Then you do burpee pull-ups
and a heavier snatch.
Then burpee bar muscle-ups
and a heavier snatch.
something like that that
demonstrates what the new
way of the workout is going
to be so that everybody can play,
but we can still test for
the fittest on earth.
Yeah.
I think we're going to see a
lot of that type of thing
or the gated type workouts
in quarterfinals.
I think they've already alluded to that.
They're like,
they basically said the 25
will be able to start the
workout they probably won't
be able to finish um so I
would be hesitant to think
that they're gonna do that
also in the open um just
because I think that's
gonna be you're gonna see
five of those workout types
of workouts in
quarterfinals so I don't
know I don't know I don't
think we'll see shuttles personally
i think I don't think
shuttles will be in I don't
necessarily think have they
shown a like a equipment
list no I don't think
they're doing that this
year well I said I think it
was paused no I think it
was said that the equipment
list basically came out of
the pandemic and uh they're
going away from that but
now you should just have everything
basically have everything available and,
but I don't think you'll
see anything with 25, um, feet for the,
for the open.
I think something on the
spot or in a smaller area,
that's just easier for the affiliates, uh,
might be the way to go just
to facilitate classes,
to run the workouts.
We've had 25 feet for a long time.
We have with lunges.
2016 was the introduction.
I think with the overhead walking lunges,
burpees, chest of our one,
I think was the first time.
So I don't,
I don't think that's the big
problem for affiliates.
It's that it's designated floors length.
So quick move.
Yeah.
I w I would say that one,
it would be a problem
because on overhead,
bar a lot of like our gym
would have to go under the
rig and like that just
takes up a lot of room like
a bar versus like dumbbells
in 17.2 I think it was uh
lunge lunge love toast of
our power like that takes a
little bit less room that
you can kind of go a little
closer in lanes if you're
if you're by people but the
overhead bar I think would be less
And you could,
you could make lunges 15
feet or like short.
And it'd still be effective.
Hell you can lunge in place
and it's effective.
Yeah.
Especially cause you're
having to push off.
If you're doing like,
let's say a forward lunge
or a reverse lunge.
That could be.
Do we see a max lift?
I think we will see a max lift.
What's your prediction of the max lift?
I think a heavy deadlift is coming.
Woo.
14.3.
Box jumps and deadlifts ascending ladder.
It's coming.
It's coming back.
Oh, so you just think just like 14.3,
like the workout lift,
not like a one rep max deadlift.
No, no,
I don't think I'd do a one rep max
deadlift.
I think there's going to be
a two part workout with a lift.
Complex or a lift?
So I would prefer to see a
complex for sure.
I just think doing a single lift after,
I mean,
I think it should be after a
workout and I think it should be,
you should have to do the
workout in some fashion to earn the lift.
The one year, 2021,
when they did the complex,
I did not like the format
of once you got done,
you had one minute or something.
I don't know what the time
was because you were
getting penalized by being fitter.
Yep.
Because if you finish the,
and then if you didn't finish the workout,
let's say you began lifting.
I don't remember the time.
It was the thruster chest to bar one.
And then let's say 12
minutes at the 12 minute mark,
you had a time cap and then
however long you had for your lifts.
But if you finish that in,
let's say eight minutes,
you were lifting at nine minutes.
You were lifting under a certain fatigue.
And if you didn't have the
fitness to finish very fast
and you had to wait around
because you didn't have, let's say,
a chest to bar or the bar muscle up,
you got to rest.
Basically, you could almost load your bar,
get ready,
and then you got to do your
lift fresh while the fitter
athletes were under fatigue.
So I don't like that idea.
I like that if you are going
into another lift, if you finish earlier,
you earn that rest.
A hundred percent.
And not one minute later you finish.
Boom.
Go.
Yeah.
I didn't.
Absolutely.
It was 2021.
Yeah.
I didn't like that either.
I remember specifically that
there were people in the gym out,
outlifting me, which is not rare,
but who did half the amount of work.
And I'm like,
if you would have continued
to work with what I did, you would have,
you wouldn't have hit what you hit.
I mean, I, I know that for a fact.
Um, yeah, I don't like workouts like that.
Yeah.
So if there is a second part,
it can't be like 2015 with
part a was nine minutes.
And then part B was the
clean and jerk and people
sat around and then a max lift,
which was very similar to me.
People didn't sit around for 2021, uh,
21 point,
three slash four.
Yep.
But it was the same idea as
2015 where someone could
still float around for the
first part and then get
ready for their lift.
Yeah.
Scott,
do you think there'll be a lift in
the open?
I'll be honest.
I have not thought about the
open because of the last week too much.
Um, I always love a lift and,
I'll tell you the year they
had the burpees you had to
finish to be able to lift.
Yes.
It, it pushed me to,
and that's the only workout
I've ever repeated because
I missed it by like two
reps the first time and
then went in with a
different strategy and
finished it and was able to
do the lift on the second one.
That was a game changer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, that was one of my, I,
that workout was tough, but like,
I think that's the way you
program a lift for sure.
You,
you have to show the fitness to earn it.
I was thinking bench too.
Sorry.
What if we're all thinking
there's like a max lift,
but it's a max gymnastics
movement and it's like max reps of,
I don't know.
They did pull-ups in team
series the one year or
something like that.
I mean,
a certain amount of time or
something on a machine, like a one,
two K row.
So did you see their,
did you see their posts the other day of,
it was like basically some,
some people say a two K row
is one of like the worst things.
How about three of them?
And it was like two K row rest,
three minutes, repeat two K row rest,
three minutes repeat.
And I was like, gross, gross.
Something that people avoid doing like,
like repeated workouts.
And it's like, your score is your slowest,
you know, or something like that.
And it's like, that sucks.
Yes.
You know, and we're all thinking max slip,
but it could be something
different and unique.
And it's something that tests fitness.
I don't know.
Just throwing that out there.
That would just, that would take so long.
I mean, they wouldn't be a 2k,
but I don't know.
Something.
Yeah, I saw that one and I was like,
oh my god.
I suppose you could do a 2K row.
I mean,
they've had 20 like 25 minute workouts.
25?
Yeah.
Well, shoot.
They had the thruster double
under which had no time cap.
Thruster double under. 17.5.
there were people that like
there literally was no clock for that.
So like you could have gone for it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I was trying to think of, yeah.
17.5.
Um, but for the most part, I think,
I think they're done in about 20 minutes,
but I don't know.
I was going to say there's no cap for 14,
five, 16, five.
Yeah.
The burpees.
So yeah.
Are we ready to wrap this thing up?
Yes.
I put the next one here and
I listed this just before
the show on death by one of
the questions was,
can you be balanced in life
and win the CrossFit Games?
Because it's almost been
like an armor for people to say,
and I'll just say Matt Frazier,
like he did not live in
balance to win the CrossFit Games.
When he was training,
it was all about training
and all about winning the games.
Do you think you can be
balanced in life and win?
Yes.
Well, in life,
there's still some sacrifices, I guess.
But I don't know.
I think Pat Vellner has gone pretty close.
Is that right?
Alex Gazan is an example of
someone who is just such a freak athlete.
He thinks she can do it.
And she's very adamant about
having balance in her life.
What's balance for her?
Yeah.
She's doing this full time.
Exactly.
She doesn't have a job.
I mean, defined.
Job is CrossFit.
Yeah.
Sponsorship obligations and stuff.
I don't know what I would
consider balance in that point.
I guess everyone's balance is different,
though.
That's the thing as well is
my balance will look
different than someone
else's balance because what
I can handle will be
different than someone else's.
I mean, Ariel still doesn't work, though,
like in terms – she has her daughter.
Are you saying being a
mother is not working?
No, no, no.
I'm saying – no, no, no.
But I'm saying she's like –
she's training at home.
She has her daughter,
and then she has – like
she's not doing like another job on top,
right?
Like she has her daughter
that she's doing a lot of
activities with and then
doing her training around –
that part um which I think
helps on her garage gym oh
my gosh looks have you guys
seen how nice it looks her
new one that's getting
built the new one beautiful
damn that's that's amazing
that's what happens when
you yeah I would say she's
pretty close in terms of
balance because of
like it's not only CrossFit, but I mean,
there's other like fathers
and mothers too in this space.
So I don't, I guess, yeah,
I guess how do we define balance?
Are we talking about, can you have a job,
like another career?
Is that what we're talking about?
Or because there's other athletes that,
I mean,
male athletes aren't coming back
from like a pregnancy,
like Ariel or Annie or Cara Tia have.
So I guess like that's
completely different, I think.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I'd be curious what they're, when they,
yeah.
What were they trying to say
when they said that?
I mean, it's notable with Matt, right?
Like he was a singular focus
and to the effect of not
using a knife during season,
not going to someone's birthday party,
not see,
like if you become no longer social and,
to the point where you like
will not go out and go
somewhere with your friends
on a Friday night.
Cause you don't want to go
to a restaurant or you
don't have a different food.
Um, I would say, no, you're not balanced.
I would say I'm not balanced
and I'm not nowhere near.
Um, so like,
there's lots of things I
declined to do with my
family that I would have
not declined to do years ago.
Um,
And I and I can only imagine
that the people that do
this like fully full time
are even worse than me.
But maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah, yeah, I guess.
Yes.
It's the balance question
that I have trouble.
Because that's like,
is it's gonna be different for everyone.
Everyone's balance is different.
Exactly.
Like, I think
if just looking on social
and what you see on social
media isn't even an
accurate representation of
what people probably do outside,
but it's nice to see though, you know,
someone like Pat, for instance,
still put in some hours,
his chiropractic
chiropractor job that he's doing.
Then he has a family as well.
Plus he's,
you know, podium at the games.
Ariel has a daughter.
You can see her doing
activities with her
daughter and doing things
like it's different.
Like she doesn't have the
job as well as Pat,
but then she also came back
from pregnancy.
It's just different.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I think, I think it can happen though.
I think it happened.
Yeah.
I think Emma Lawson does a pretty good job,
but again, she's,
not working.
Uh, I'm pretty sure she's living at home,
has a great setup at home,
has a lot of sponsorships and,
but in terms of her life balance,
it's easier maybe to have a
balanced life when your
partner is a games athlete as well.
And they have similar interests.
Like I think that balance,
they see each other at the gym as well,
and then they can spend some time off.
I don't know.
It's still connected,
but she is still doing kid or young stuff,
right?
Rich Rawlings is a good example.
That guy has no balance.
When he was individual, no way.
He has no balance.
You have to go team to get balance.
His kids come to the gym.
He doesn't have balance.
I love him too, but like
There's not.
I don't know.
They did say on the show
that those who are
partnered with their life
partner as a coach and life
partner seem to be more balanced,
like a Jeff Adler or a Tia Toomey,
but it's just probably more disguised.
Yeah, I agree with that.
That is their lifestyle as a family.
So the balance there is in
unison in a sense.
Yeah.
Well,
the last thing we have on our agenda
is from the TDC podcast,
Vendor Village not attached
directly to the venue at
this year's games.
It's a few hundred meters away.
It's a walk.
It's not right next to it.
It's going to have a different feeling.
They're going to plan for
big breaks between events
to hopefully drive people over there.
Thoughts for vendors?
On the surface, without seeing it,
I think that sucks.
Even if they put big breaks,
people are going to go to a restaurant.
But having a wall through
the vendor village,
having it so easily accessible there,
I think really helps the vendors.
If they go and do workouts
in the vendor village,
because it's a bigger vendor village,
and it's like, hey,
meet at 1 o'clock here for
a community workout,
having these athletes sign,
it could draw people.
I think that's what they're
going to try to do.
But I think it's,
I guess we'll see year one,
but it's definitely
interesting that it's not attached.
Because when that building came up,
the Dickies, we all thought, you know, oh,
the vendor village is going
to look great here and there.
But it's not attached.
So one,
what are they using that area that
typically is a vendor village for?
And basic freaking business 101 is,
Wherever it is,
make it the entrance to the arena.
To come and go,
you have to walk through
Vendor Village to go to the arena.
And I'm okay with it.
If you guys have indicated
in Paper Street who were
right inside of Wadapalooza last year,
not this year, but last year,
and everybody had to walk
by their booth to get to
any of the venues, they killed it.
Yep.
So I don't know.
Yeah, the open.
And it's going to be open to the public.
And that works then.
If it's the entrance,
you have to walk through
there to get to the arena.
You just have the gate on
the back end to go into the arena.
Or you can exit over here if
you're just there for the public.
Yeah, I agree.
I feel like if it's going to be separate,
it needs to lead into the venue.
Yeah,
you have funnel traffic through there.
If you want people to keep
sponsoring these things for
exorbitant amounts of money,
they have to have the foot traffic.
They have to make their money back.
I mean,
Wadapalooza didn't go great for a
lot of vendors,
and a lot of vendors don't
want to go back.
Because of the rain, also?
Probably.
And I don't...
And that may be a big part
of it is the rain was
keeping spectators away just in general.
I just think there was less
foot traffic in general at
Guadalupe this year overall.
I think it was paid seats.
Yeah,
the paid seats made less people go to
Guadalupe because they were
too expensive.
So less people bought tickets.
Yeah, I guess I didn't think about that.
I didn't hear anything about
Craig Ritchie.
He wasn't a vendor.
He just had the app.
Like he said,
he lost money going like paying to go.
Normally he would make that
back in his YouTube views.
So hustle is at a booth at
what a Palooza every year.
And it's a massive open air
booth with like,
Tons of meet and greets and
stuff like that.
So he may have had one this year.
This was my first miss in a couple years.
Yeah.
I wouldn't be surprised if
he didn't make out so well.
Again, I heard quite a few who didn't.
So, yeah, that's going to be a problem.
Well, we're over our 90 minutes.
Shocker.
But good show tonight.
Thank you, everybody,
in the comments for being here.
Thank everybody for the well
wishes and the love in the comments.
I love you all.
This has been fun.
We'll have to do it again.
Get Carolyn or Lex back on
and really get some stuff going.
With that,
we will catch everybody next
time on Thursday Night CrossFit Talk.
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