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Welcome to Rewatching! Each season, we do a fan-friendly, deep dive into the most recognizable and nostalgic film franchises in pop culture such as The Lord of the Rings (Season 1), ??? (Season 2), and many other favorites. Our cast and crew, similar to the franchises, are new every season but what they lack in consistency they make up for with a love of these films. We are fans first, not experts and...fair warning: there will be spoilers because this isn’t "Watching"... this is Rewatching.
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Welcome to re watching The Lord of the Rings. I'm Daniel Matthews and I'm joined by Hunter Hill. Top of the list for me would probably be something from Bag End. And Tad Moore. He wanted to encourage Frodo because he knew he was about to walk to a certain doom. Together, we're diving back into Middle Earth, one film at a time.
To relive the magic, dissect our favorite scenes and lines. And even laugh at some of our most shared memes. And, because one does not simply do a rewatch without a few superlatives, we'll be handing out awards like the Potatoes Award for Best Food Scene, the Mount Doom Award for Hottest Take, and plenty more.
Fair warning, there will be spoilers. Because this isn't watching The Lord of the Rings, this is rewatching.
What is y'all's experience with Lord of the Rings? I was, my, my dad. Uh, came home. I was in third grade. I was eight years old. Uh, he, him and my mom went and saw the Fellowship of the Ring when it came out in theaters. And he thought, I bet my son would like this. So he took me to see it, and that moment changed my life.
Yeah. Everything, my entire imagination was captured by all things Lord of the Rings, Tolkien. And it started a journey of, of genuinely, like, my favorite piece of literature, fantasy movies. It's the best. You're movies first, though, right? Yeah, movies first. Actually, it was years until I read the books finally and took that on.
I was probably in college at that point. It was ridiculous. But, uh, yeah, I've been enamored with Lord of the Rings since eight years old. Dude, do you see all three in theaters? All three in theaters. Gosh. I saw the first one. I got really into this. I don't know why I did it. I saw the first one one time in theaters.
I saw the second one two times in theaters. And then I had to see the third one three times in theaters and I didn't. Yeah, you did. Yeah, so my experience is similar. I started with movies. I didn't see any of them in theaters. But my dad went and saw them around like early 2000s, obviously 2001. And then came home and I remember watching them, I remember exactly where I was sitting in my living room when we watched them on like VHS and tiny TV.
And you're like, that's awesome. This is the greatest thing ever. I'm a little scared by the whole Two cassettes, do you have to go in? Oh yeah, 100%. And it was like, yeah, you had to flip it or something. Or maybe not, they probably didn't have flip back then with VHS. Two VHS's in a kit. Yeah, dude. I just told you to pause and put the new one in.
Crazy, I just remember the The opening prologue, there's that, with the orcs, I mean I was probably like six or seven, it was like kind of scary. Oh yeah, it was kind of freaky. I came to find out later that like my parents were hesitant, like my mom was like, I don't know if they're old enough to watch it, my dad's like, no, they're watching it.
So that's kind of my experience, similar to yours, Hunter. As an eight year old watching what's his face get his head cut off at the end. Oh, yeah. You're like, that's the first time I saw someone get beheaded. There's a lot of death in this movie, Hunter. This is medieval. Your experience is kind of different, which is one of the reasons we have you with us.
Uh, yeah, my experience with The Lord of the Rings is that I grew up watching and reading Harry Potter. Yeah, you did. And, uh, didn't get into The Lord of the Rings until, honestly, like, within the last few years as an adult. Um, reading, and then have watched this, I don't know if I've mentioned this to both of you.
Your books first, right? Book first. That's actually, that's awesome. Rare. And awesome. So awesome. And then, I actually have not seen the third movie. I love that. I actually love that. As of this point. Okay. So, This is great. So you've held off, cause you watched the first two, you watched them like last year, didn't you?
Yeah. And you're re watching them obviously for this, but you have not seen the third one. Not seen the third. You have great self control because I hope I would have did I would have already seen him. Okay Here's the other question before we get into some facts about the movie Where does this film rank for you in the trilogy with just within the trilogy just within the trilogy not not all movies of all time But like what where does this rank for you in the trilogy?
I can go first if you're thinking about it Go so when I first saw them Like I said when I was younger and in the years after I think I'd watch them like every year The second one was my favorite and I remember I had it on my iPod Like the square one that had a screen, was that a nano? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember I had it on there, so I just would watch it all the time. As I've gotten older though, I think I kind of liked it because of the action, because Helm's Deep is amazing. Yeah, it's Deep is the reason. I would just go to that part and watch it. I'd skip all the int stuff. And it's kind of flipped as I get older.
Fellowship is actually my favorite one. And people are like, well, it's too slow. I'm like, I think that's why I love it. I don't, I don't know why there's so much character development and like, The dialogue is amazing, the scenes, I love the Shire, and it's really the only part except for the very end, spoiler, Hunter, sorry, that you really get like time in the Shire, and so, I think Fellowship's my favorite one.
Yeah, I can see that. Well of the two that I've seen, I would say that the Fellowship is, I like the Fellowship more, probably for the same reasons, the development, but also, um, the time in the Shire, and then also the time in, Rivendell and LaFleurian, I think is just like, that's what captures, like, those, those scenes in those places is what, like, captures my imagination with The Lord of the Rings is like, man, this, this seems like, like, if I could be in any of these places, like, I would absolutely want to be there.
That's a great thing. Where you want to live in there is like, those places. You want to read The Lord of the Rings, The Lord of the Rings in Rivendell, in LaFleurian, in all those places. Oh yeah. Yeah. Mr. Tad? Hmm.
For, for just risk of not wanting to sound like an echo, I'm going to hold true to what I've always felt. I think Two Towers is my number one. Okay. Fellowship is at number two. And then probably Return of the King is number three. Wow. Which is, which feels, I don't feel confident with that answer though, because I, I think it probably depends on the, on even the time of the year or, or a different moment.
It probably changes, but yeah, I like same reasons as you, I think as a, as a young person seeing the movies. Two Towers was always my favorite. It has probably become more variable with age. Yeah. And maybe, like, specifics. It's almost moved towards now of, like, there's specific scenes. That override, like, which movie I like.
And it'd be like, which scenes do you like from each one, you know? So, the Two Towers is probably one. This is number two. I mean, all of them are great. Yeah. I was gonna say, I feel like y'all are both, have both seen all of the movies so much that you just notice so many more things. Because you've watched them so much that could, that could add or take away.
Part of their charm. Part of why the movies are so great. Yeah, even more than that. I don't know if you've been this way. I actually. You've probably seen the movies more than me. I would say probably 10 more on each probably. Probably. But I, for the longest time, every year, like during the winter time, I watched the, the behind the scenes, which is like 12 hours of, you've watched that way more than, yeah.
12 hours of content for each movie. It's not really, that's crazy. And so that actually has changed the way I watch 'em probably more than anything else because they're talking about how, like they designed this, uh, you know, piece of armor for one scene. You're like, yeah, that's unbelievable. Oh, and it took 80 hours to design and build.
And you're like, okay, all right. Or they, they're just the small details and things. Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh. That probably affects the, obviously affects the way I watch them. Sure. And so, Absolutely. Yeah, it's, it definitely does. Okay, let's, let's get into some of the, uh, facts behind this movie. And then, uh, Hunter, I'm gonna have you read a summary.
So, release date of Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Ring, December 19th, 2001. I was 6, Tad, you were I think I was 8, Hunter, 5, 6? December 19th, 2001? Uh, 6. 6, okay. The runtime is 178 minutes. So, 2 hours and 58 minutes. The extended is three hours and 28 minutes. So what, 30 minutes of extra time? Uh, rotten Tomatoes score is 91% critics, 95% audience.
So either way, in the nineties percent, I think it's like a top 10 rotten, rotten tomatoes of all time. That's unbelievable. The budget was 93 million and the earnings domestically were 315 million. Good grief. And worldwide, 897 million. Wow. That's unbelievable. So it's not unbelievable. I definitely believe it.
Yeah. Spending that much money and knowing you're going to make it back and hold is crazy. If you look up, I'm maybe jumping ahead here, like what they paid the actors is outrageous. Like it's so low compared to so many other films. I've got some for like some of the, um, some of the actors like, and it's fine.
I think Ian McClellan was the highest paid actor in this film. He made, uh, He probably was the highest prestige of the actors, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's by far got to be one of the biggest, uh, And then, like, several of the lower, uh, tier actors at the time were still making like 250k, which sounds so small compared to, uh, uh, let me find this.
Orlando Bloom, this is my favorite one, though. He was paid, I think he was one of the least paid. Uh, he earned like 175k for his role as Legolas. Oh my gosh. But he was coming from school. He was coming from film school. First film ever. This was his first one. And we're going to get into it. We're going to get into who won this movie.
And some people would argue that he won. He's going to get a strong bid from me on this one. For real. But yeah, I mean some of the other ones, what's funny is, I mean like, Figo Mortensen, he got, he was over a million, close to two million. Elijah Wood. I mean, he only made, like, a quarter million initially. Oh my gosh.
This one, this was the funny one to me. Liv Tyler. Very small role in the movies, is our one. But she was very famous. Very famous, probably one of the more famous actresses in the film. Farmageddon? Coming from Farmageddon. She, uh, I think reportedly made three million across the trilogy. Wow. For such a small role, very highly paid for it, which I think is awesome.
Uh, Cate Blanchett, about a million. Yeah. So, some of the larger name actors, but, but, I think Who had smaller roles, but yeah. As far as my research went, Ian McClellan was the highest paid. Wow. Sorry, Sir Ian McClellan. What about, what about John Rhys? He's, I mean, he's a legend. I didn't find that one. I bet he was up there with Ian just because he's established career.
But a lot of these people, this is like their first thing. And, and for some of them, we'll get into it a little bit. It's like their only thing. Yeah. He was around five million, five million. So across the three films. Interesting. Okay. Hunter, you want to read that summary before we dive into some more of the cast members?
Get into it. All right. So. The Fellowship of the Ring is the first installment in Peter Jackson's epic adaptation of J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The film follows a young hobbit, Frodo Baggins, who inherits the One Ring, a powerful artifact that Sauron, the Dark Lord, desires to reclaim to conquer Middle earth.
Frodo, accompanied by a group, called the Fellowship, of diverse characters such as dwarves, wizards, elves, and men, Uh, Embarks on a perilous journey to destroy the One Ring. Along the way, the Fellowship faces treachery, battles, and the growing threat of Sauron's forces. The film explores themes of friendship, sacrifice, and the overwhelming burden of power.
Wow. Hmm. I mean, that's a pretty good summary. Yeah. I've, I've, I've, obviously this is rewatching, so we've seen it, but I think I think it nailed it. And when I say it, I was just chat GPT nailed it. Like they, I actually edited it. I edited it a little bit because there were some things that it was just like, that's so, that feels so robot y.
But, uh, in case you're listening to this and for some reason you're listening to a rewatching podcast and you haven't seen the films. Welcome, but there you go. That's kind of the layout of the movie. Um, and we'll get into a scene by scene breakdown a little bit later, but directed by Peter Jackson, uh, you know, before this he had Heavenly Creatures which is one of his, uh, probably most popular ones.
I have not seen that, you probably haven't seen it either. Kind of a little not very well known before this, and then after, you kind of look at his discography and you go, this by far is what he's known for. Yeah, so like King Kong after this, with like Jack Black. Don't get me wrong. Oh, no. I love it, don't you?
I love that movie. A lot of the same cast, a lot of the same cast. I loved it. Yeah. Uh, yeah, um. Andy Serkis. Andy Serkis. Andy Serkis, that was like, kind of his next big. Yeah. He was, and then now he's in like every movie. Any time anybody does anything like that. And then, Peter Jackson recently did the Beatles Get Back documentary.
Yeah, which I've not watched, and I'd really love to, because growing up, I loved the Beatles. Amazing. My dad was a huge Beatles fan, so he like forced us to listen to it growing up. You, you will love this, because all it is, is them in our studio room, essentially writing their last album. And it's just live footage of them like riffing together, and like, Oh, this line would be better.
And I bet Peter Jackson does a great job, like, framing that. Yeah. And directing all the live experience. It's, I, I, the Beatles are already amazing, but my respect for them went through the roof. That's awesome. But that's, that's like a lot of the things he's done, um, cast wise, any of those that like stand out, I mean, we've got Elijah Wood, Ian McKellen, Viggo Mortensen, Orlando Bloom, uh, John Rhys Davies, Sean Bean, R.
I. P., he always dies in films. Um, Sean Aston, Billy Boyd, Hugo Weaving. Dominic Mon. Yeah. I mean, Hugo Weaving. There's like some great ones in here. Yeah. Any of these people that you're like, I don't know, want to talk about a little bit? I thought I just hadn't put this, uh, put this together. We're talking about it beforehand, but Sean Bean is the villain and National Treasure.
The first one. Yeah. Yeah. He's the guy that's just like always trying to, trying to, um, upstage Nicholas Cage. And I just never, never have put that together. And it makes sense. I mean, he, I thought he was really good then. He, that's, is, is he always the villain? No, he's not always the villain, right? He plays complex characters.
He's actually a great, he's an amazing actor. He's a fantastic actor. Yeah, he's, he's very, very talented. Um.
Yes, Ted. Um, Ian Holm, who played Bilbo. Mm, yeah. I also love, I think like he just did a great job with that character. Mm hmm. And it was really fun. Even for like a smaller role in the film franchise, I think he. Yeah. It's actually tough watching the newer Hobbits, because I think that guy did a good job, but I'm like, I see.
Ian Holm. Yeah. When I see Bilbo, so it's hard. Yeah, Martin Freeman did a great job in Hobbits. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, I think that was a great casting choice, but yeah, Ian Holm set the bar. So here's what's crazy is I'm looking at these, uh, some of these actors works and people like Uh, Dominic Monaghan, who played Mary.
And you know what else he's in, right? I legit, I mean, he's in a couple other Lost? He is in Lost. My man's in Lost, and he's fantastic. He is, okay, he's, so he's in some other stuff, but, but like, Him and, where is he, Billy Boyd, Pippin. Yeah. Billy Boyd's not been in much. He's been in more in theater, but like, This is his That's about as big as his film.
He is, this is what he's known for. Yeah. Our guy Frodo is also, uh, one of the, was it Sharkboy or one of the, or no, one of the Spy Kids, one of the Spy Kids, Spy Kids 3. I think before, before or after this, uh, it was after this. He's the guy. I'm the guy. The guy. Who dies immediately. Yeah, it's crazy. Like, uh, he had the Harry Potter effect with this movie of Daniel Radcliffe not being really, like, you never escaped that character.
You were so good at it. You became Frodo. Nope. And that's it. Yep. But, okay, this is, this is my, and maybe we'll have more discussion later on it. I'm looking at this, and this might be, maybe not the best film, the most recognizable character for all these actors. Oh yeah, like the, each of them are probably known for that for our generation.
Younger, like ones will say, one might get, he might get Magneto, he might get others because of that. And maybe John Reese Davies might get someone else. Potentially. Sean Aston might get someone else. Sean Aston's been in some great films that The Goon, he truly depends on the generation, like yeah, he, his, uh, his appearance in Stranger Things was one of the greatest things about that.
Oh, dude. So good. I mean, Christopher Lee even has a huge, he had a really old role, a Arman. He was an actor since 1958. He was Dracula, or he was in Dracula. So like, you know, I was gonna say Orlando Bloom. Like, I feel like he went on to some great stuff. Jack Sparrow. Pirates. Is, is Will Turner. Yeah. Luke Stratfield.
He's in, yeah, we, we got his right here. We got, he's also in Blackhawk Down the same year. Was he really? He was in Troy a few years later. Troy, he was great in Troy. He's, I mean, he Pirates of the Caribbean, and there's obviously other ones, but like he, Kind of like, is a, is he the biggest star from this cast?
I think beyond this, his career probably looks the most, like, successful. Impressive, yeah. Viggo Mortensen, he's really selective with his roles. Mm hmm. And he, and he, I'm pretty sure he's, like, also, like, pretty strong method actor, so he gets really involved in it. But, but, like, shortly after this, he was in, uh, Hidalgo, which was awesome.
So good. Great kind of western ish movie. Uh, he was in The Road, which I don't think got a lot of popularity. That's one of your favorites, right? One of my all time favorites. And it's It's, uh, I may have more to say on this later. It's one of the best book to movie adaptations ever. In like, accuracy. Like, it follows the, uh, It follows Cormac McCarthy's book, The Road, almost exactly.
And Viggo is perfect. He's got a couple of films even coming up. He's been in the Green Book. There's that Western film. There's a Western film coming up where he plays like a French, uh, Immigrant kind of around the Civil War era. Who is he in the Green Book? Oh, he's the driver. Really? He put on weight though.
He put on a lot of weight for it. Okay, I was gonna say it. You wouldn't. Yeah, he kills that role. That's great. He's one of those actors that, to me, could have been an A level class actor, but doesn't money grab. No. He's like a, and this is a stretch, I think in his version of an actor, Daniel Day Lewis is the highest version of it.
He's kind of a lesser known Daniel Day Lewis esque character. Daniel Day Lewis, he makes a lot of money only because he's an amazing actor. He's pretty selective with his goals, and he goes all in. And Viggo just, he's a little more, uh, he's just lesser known, I don't know why. He's so talented though, like some of the behind the scenes stuff is saying like He was by far the leader of the cast, like, and he was the last one to get cast.
He showed up late. That's great. To the filming. But he would like, he was also an amazing photographer. Yeah. He'd take everyone fishing, he'd perform, he his fly fishing, fishing rod, like everywhere in New Zealand. When they were filming, he used to do it. You're like, this guy actually acting is something that he just does.
He's not an actor. He like, he's just a human being. He, he likes to hang, he likes to do all these other things, but he's just an amazing actor. I would think. Him being like the leader of the cast off. Mm-hmm . Off script, honestly. Bled into what will we actually see? He's probably like actually error going, like he's a going through jail, like the guy, you know.
So, okay, let's move into, I think this is one of my, the most fun things. What was happening in the world the year this film was released? Oh, do y'all have some stuff that stood out that you wrote down? If not, I made, I made a pretty big list. I was. I mean, it would have been shortly after 9 11, right? Yes. Or same year?
Two or three months later. Crazy. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. 9 11 is huge. Probably the most, that's the most pivotal thing that like, end of my second grade year, and then begin, like, it would have been the December of my third grade year that it, that that happened. So like, yeah, that was a, that's an interesting, like, kind of just era.
Yeah. It is. I'm about to read two or three others that you'll be like, these things are actually so, I think, iconic for people our age. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Apple announces iTunes. No way. Okay. The iPhone iTunes, and it was iPods are out yet? Or just I don't think iPods are out, it's just now you have a place to store your music.
Okay. Isn't that crazy? MP3 storage, basically, that's it. MP3 storage, online, like, whatever. Wow. This one, okay. The next two are like, for some reason, especially the second one, I'm like, I don't know why this is so burnt into my mind, but like The first one, Wikipedia launches. Wikipedia. Okay. I thought Wikipedia's been around forever.
I mean, the internet, when did the internet begin? Ah, who knows. Early 90s, late 80s. Yeah. But Wikipedia, 2001. Which is kind of almost synonymous with the internet in my mind. It really is. When you Google, it's like, did you get that from Wikipedia? You're like, ah, unfortunately I did, yeah. Okay. Dale Earnhardt Sr.
passes away. Wow. Huh. Wow, he's to me, he's like a legend sports figure and I'm like, yeah, when did that happen? 2001 on the last lap of the Daytona 500. Incredible. That's yeah. Wow. Hmm. All right. Now we're gonna run through some films that came out that year. Tell me if these are, you know, Nostalgic for you.
Shrek 1 releases. Oh my gosh. I don't, I don't associate that with that same year, but Not at all. It's such an iconic film of my childhood. So yeah, that's awesome. The Office, the Office premieres in the UK. Okay. So not over here yet, but over there. Oh my gosh. Princess Diaries. That's awesome. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
I love crazy. I love it. Okay. Real quick. He is, who was in somebody, somebody had a role in one of the Princess Diaries. Oh, it was John Reese, uh, Davies. Wait, was John Reese Davies in Princess Diaries in, in third? It says he's in the second one. The second, second one, yeah. Him, he's the, uh, the guy who's trying to like usurp.
You're right. He is The's crazy. The uncle or something. The second. The sequel. The sequel. Not the first one. Yeah. The second. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Princess Diaries too. That's funny. Isn't that hilarious? I've, I have older sister, so I, I've seen Oh, of course. All of them so many times, dude. Yeah. Then, you know, they're making a third one.
Dude, it was a good film. It was a good film. It's Anne Hathaway's best film. Anne Hathaway's awesome. That was her big debut. Ooh. Is it her best film? You're gonna put Princess Diaries over Les Mis? Ah, she was great in that. I just, yeah. Ooh. We'll get into it in another one. We'll do a rewatch of Princess Diaries.
Sign me up. Okay, okay. Band of Brothers. Wow. Started that year? Okay. Started that year. Came out that year. Awesome. Have you seen one of the top movies for me? Well, absolutely. Long movie, but short. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Series that was like, always on. Okay, this is a book. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Oh no, wrong, wrong.
The film came out that year? Movie, my bad. That's when the movie came out, 2001. Really? Okay, so that's funny to me because, uh, you mentioned it earlier that you grew up on Harry Potter. I didn't start watching Harry Potter until like later high school. And I missed it because I'm the same technically, I'm the same grade as Harry.
With the films, they came out, like it was sequential with my like grade in school. But I didn't start watching them. And, and reading them until like, probably junior year of high school. Okay. And I was all in on Lord of the Rings prior, and yet so many of my friends were getting into Harry Potter. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, and yet I was also kind of in the evangelical space. I was gonna say, were you like, not allowed? Were you not allowed to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the wizard's there. Um, but, but Gandalf was cool. Dude, they, they were banned at, at my school, but I, I've told, actually, I told my mom this for the first time today.
That when I was in like eighth grade, like, you know, Christian studies class, I would, uh, I had a really bigger Bible and I would have Harry Potter open. And so from the teacher's view, it's like, Oh, he's reading his Bible. And I was reading like Chamber of Secrets. Cause I had a copy of Chamber of Secrets that was like so thick, but it was tiny.
And I'm like, this is amazing. I'm, Oh, we got a spill. You good? I'm good. And it was just like, this is awesome, you know, so we weren't allowed it. No, almost kind of like the not being allowed to read it actually made it better. Oh yeah. They're so good. They're so good. They're such good books. Yeah. But back to Lord of the Rings.
Yeah. But I didn't know that the same year. That's awesome. Same year. There's a couple other ones, really good ones. Uh, 24, the series, I dunno if you ever watched that. Wow. Okay. With, uh, Keefer Sutherland. Is that his name? Also in the Goonies with Sean Aston. Awesome. Hilarious. But that comes out, that was a, that was like the TV series of that year.
Oceans 11, 2001. That's a classic. 2001. 2001 kind of killed it. They did your, and then the, the last one, this is music for, for me, I don't know why this is so iconic. When I was looking at lists of like. What were the big things that happened in 2001? This was high on the list. Probably the most important music moment.
Josh Groban's debut album. Wow. He's just, he's iconic. It was his first album that year. So, uh, which is crazy. Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot again. Cause you're supposed to have a Tad's Tastes. Oh yeah. Which is gonna be a Lord of the Rings drink and film. Tad's Travels. Because out of all the people in this room, Me, you, and Hunter.
Tad, you're the only one who's actually been to New Zealand. I've been to Middle Earth. Wow. You've been to Middle Earth. You've traveled all the places. Can you just answer, maybe like, did it? Did it live up to the hype? Uh, and what were like, what was the place that you're like, this was insane? Oh, I'm glad you asked that question.
Uh, and I feel pretentious for talking about it. And we're gonna have to ask it every single day. I'll tell you, I'll tell you where I've been. Uh, so when it comes to Lord of the Rings, or the Fellowship of the Ring, Uh, the Shire movie set is one of the coolest places on the planet. I think they've preserved it so well.
They actually tore it down after the original trilogy. Uh, was filmed, and it was just back to farmland, um. Wow. And then, when the Hobbit series came out, they rebuilt it in order to film some stuff, and they, it turned into this amazing tourist attraction. But it's, it is pristine. It looks exactly like the film.
Bag End is beautiful. Oh, my. They've got You can tour Bag End? You can tour, but you can't go in it. It's just, everything's just a facade on the outside. Okay. And then they built the indoor pieces and studio. Okay. But, um. What's the name? Uh, The Green Dragon. Can you grab a beer there? You can get a beer. I had a beer in the shire.
It was awesome. And we did like an evening tour where they like did this big dinner and like you could tour it again at night. It was beautiful. It's awesome. Uh, but actually several of the other cool film sites specifically from The Fellowship of the Ring that were really awesome. The final scene um, there's a lake.
You talked about yeah. It's uh, I'm blanking on the name. I'll have to find it. But uh, it's It, for whatever, I think it was one of my favorite places we went to because you're walking down the bank and you're like, this is where the fellowship parted and it looks exactly like the film. Wow. And you're looking across and you guys say they did some CGI to make it look like the Falls of Roros or whatever there.
And like the, the cool like, uh, statues with the two guys, the, um, Argonauts, yeah. Um, and so, but that, finding that place cause it's kind of off the beaten path and it's not like a really clearly marked touristy spot, so we like Googled it, figured out how to get there. Wow. And like camped there one night.
We're able to kind of go explore. You camped on the So yeah, we like slept there You camped on the lake. Looking out by the lake in our camper van. It was, it was so cool. It was awesome. Oh my gosh. Dude. Yeah. Okay. So that was like a favorite place where we went. Don't, you read Lord of the Rings when you were there, right?
Yeah. Oh, did you read that scene? Were you like, oh my. It was, it was super cool. It was like a top five, like, uh, if I can, if I can go back to New Zealand at some point in my life, I will have, it will be like the best thing ever. But it was, we only spent two weeks there, which was not long enough. We saw as many film sites as we could find.
Uh, it was, it was perfect. So, I'm going to put it on public record here that we are going to go back. We're going to go back for the 50th anniversary. I want that so bad. Because 25th is like in two years. Yeah. I don't have the budget for it right now. I, I, I can start saving. We should be at retired age though for the 50th.
Yeah, but the 50th to be back in the Shire, and here's my theory is, Any survivor cast will be there. It'll be like inhabitable. Yeah. Like they'll have like the hobbit holes built out and you can stay in the Shire. Oh, I'd love that. That would be, wouldn't that be, that'd be awesome. You grab a drink and Yeah, they'll have like all the ones that are still alive will be there.
Which might be like, not that many. Not that many. Like a couple of the Hobbit maybe. Maybe we say the 30th if they like just thinking for ahead, but we gotta go there. I dude, I'm very jealous of you. So that's your favorite from Fellowship. We'll get into the other films. Yeah. Uh, one of those. Yeah, that's so cool.
We're about to dive into some most rewatchable scenes, but, uh, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be back shortly.
All right, welcome back in. As said before, we're gonna get into most rewatchable scenes. Really the most YouTubable scenes, I would say, which is really more of our generation. One of those scenes you're gonna go back on YouTube and rewatch. Uh, I can start unless one of y'all want to go first. You want me to go first?
Okay. You got it. So, caveat, I think I could rewatch all these scenes. Every scene from the movie. Of course. Is really good. So I'm, I'm going to try to be as selective as possible. Yep. But I don't want to move past the actual opening scene. And I actually have a voice memo here that I'm going to play. The prologue.
Oh man. I said the prologue dot, dot, dot, so freaking good. Is literally what I put in my notes. And um, I'm not going to play the whole thing, but y'all just I'll sit back here and uh, enjoy just the masterpiece of this real quick.
The world is changed. I feel it.
I feel it in the earth.
I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost for none now live who remember it.
It began with the forging of the great rings. Three were given to the elves. Immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the dwarf lords great miners and craftsman of the mountain halls to Peter, Jackson and Philip. Avoid credit that they were able to, in less than 10 minutes, give a comprehensive history and tee up the lore of why the ring was important.
It's unbelievable. It is. That was such a good, like, recap all the way through the entire prologue. Different. How, I mean. And the music was also phenomenal. The music's amazing. It set the tone for the entire thing. Howard Schwartz, a genius. It is, I was listening to a podcast with Philippa Boyens on and she was saying how It was very bold for them to, you know, have essentially 20 seconds of complete black screen.
Like, you enter the movie theater, and it's, I hear a language I've never heard before, and there's no visuals to start a movie. You're like, it's pretty bold, but to get it to your point, to get all that under 5 10 minutes and set up this world that's thousands of years old, I mean, I feel like I'm in right when I see it.
I love it. That's one of my most rewatchable scenes I've watched on YouTube quite a bit. Alright, what's one of y'alls? Uh, I mean, I'm even thinking of what I've literally gone back and watched multiple times, but the fight at Amon Hen, at the end, specifically Aragorn fighting, uh, Lurts. Lurts. Yeah. Like kind of the chief Uruk hai.
Mm. That, that fight scene's awesome. Uh, and, and then everything also with, I mean, uh, Boromir and him getting shot three times in the chest by Lurts. Yeah. Uh, so many cool things about that scene. Even like, I'm gonna dip into a little bit of like some fun like film trivia. Uh, of, of Lurtz, when Lurtz threw, like Oh, you're already going to your deep research of He gets stabbed into his leg and then he pulls that out and flings it back at Aragorn.
He actually, it slipped out of his hand and he literally threw a dagger at Viggo Mortensen on the set. Mhm. Aragorn When he's hitting it away, he actually Blasts it away with his sword. It was real. Like, all on stage. They like, immediately after that, like, apparently, like, stopped. They're like, what? He's freaking out.
He's like, I didn't mean to throw a knife at you. And it was perfect. They kept it. Like, that, that's Isn't that crazy? But that scene also, it's, it's one of the best, like, just good fight scenes in the film. So yeah, the whole fight at Emond Hen, that entire sequence is awesome. There's that, there's one, uh, camera work where it's like an aerial shot.
And it's so cool. When they're going down the hill. Boromir blowing the horn. Yeah, and you're like. The music's great. Who's the greatest? It's happening. It's happening, right? Yeah, that's, that's a great one. Yeah, I love the, uh, the scene where Arwen is taking Frodo to the river. Like, taking him back to Rivendell.
Because, I mean, obviously it's the first, uh, first. Part of the trilogy, but it's like, okay, is it, is it all just about to end right here? Yeah, if you don't know any better, you're like, okay, this is it right here. Um, and I think because of that Like, you see, like, Arwen and Aragorn are talking about all this brief, but they're like, Hey, I should go.
No, actually, I should go. And like, I, for whatever reason, you can kind of tell in that moment that like, Oh man, there's something between them. I feel like it's a very subtle way to set up their relationship. Um, and then What's this? A ranger caught off his guard? Yeah. And then, and then obviously, like You know, she's, uh, out riding, you know, these nine ringways that, for whatever reason, like, can't catch her, but it feels like they should.
But then just the whole, okay, now that we've, we're to the river, we're elves, we actually own this river, and it's just cool that, I don't know, once they got to the river, it's like, okay, now we're safe. Yeah, it's like, it's just like a very middle earthy thing. Well, it's to your point, like, subtle, like, showing, not telling, of character development.
You're like, okay, I think I know she's an elf because of her ears, but like, how powerful are these elves? Instead of saying like, the elves are powerful, it's like, We can control this river. Conjuring up a river stampede, I don't know. And even the way that she's like, introduced, she's like, it's shining light, she's speaking another language.
Even the visual of her like, outrunning these like, dark figures is like, pretty like, okay. This is a, this is a good, this is a good person. Whatever it is. Yeah. So, yeah, you're right. That scene is amazing. You're like, I don't know, at this, cause at that point, you're not, yeah, like you said, you're not sure who she is, but you're, you're like, okay, I'm glad we're here now.
Like, I don't know where we're at, but it feels good to be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause they've just been, they've been running for, for a long, probably 30 to 45 minutes in the film, they've been running and now there's some sort of like safe place. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, my next one is, it's a pretty short one. The Gandalf and Bilbo smoking pipes right before his party.
Yeah. Or the, the, the shift that he whatever. The smoke rings. That's the smoke ring. Which you, you've actually, you're pretty good at smoke rings. I can. The other time we, last time we spoke you had like the, a smoke ring that I was like. Learned to do it just because of the smoke rings. How do you, how do It just, it's hard to explain.
You just gotta figure it out. Well, you really helped. It's gotta bes. I, I, I, I don't know how to put, it's one of those like, weird little, it's kinda like learning a whistle. It's like you can kind of describe what you do with your mouth, but like, you just kind of gotta feel it out. That's true. And know what it feels like.
You know what I mean? Okay. That's okay. That, that's my other one. Any, any anymore? I've got few more's also called smoke whistling. I don't that smoke whistling. How do you smoke whistle? Yeah, I'll smoke. I can't tell you that. Uh, Frodo and Sam leaving. And afterwards, and specifically Sam chasing Frodo down, no, no, no, Frodo, you love that scene, I love that scene and I'm, I'm, I'm teasing out something, I was gonna say, are you gonna get into it?
I'm gonna talk about, but, but specifically the moment where Sam's drowning way too slowly and I don't think people look like that when they're drowning, but when you see the hand come down and grab his wrist and pull him up and the music kind of like trills, yeah, it's, it's, That scene, and I'm going to save it for if you, if you hang out with us until we get to Return of the King, why that scene is so important in all of the movie trilogy, uh, and just the beauty of how they, they directed that moment and then used it, uh, kind of reference to it later.
But, uh, that scene is so rewatchable. It is so rewatchable, and I know what you're talking about in the third movie. You haven't seen the third movie. No, I don't want to spoil it. I can't spoil anything. I can't, it's the perfect mirror of like, you're like, Oh my gosh, like, that's crazy. I never caught it until you pointed it out.
And it's actually in the book as well. That's very much in the book, like he describes it far so. Wow. Tolkien, good on you. Uh, another one, oh wait, you go, you got another one? Well, I was gonna say, uh, I feel like this is a small one, but when Bilbo and Frodo reunite at Rivendell, That's fun. Yeah. Like, Frodo, like, you can sense the joy from Frodo, and it's great, but then later, you can, you can, obviously you see the effect that the ring still has on Bilbo, and there's like, this moment of like, I'm sorry that this had to happen to you.
Yeah. It's like, this moment of, it's not just my, Like struggle anymore and my struggle is now being passed on to you and you can see you can see the the the angst that it causes I think that's really really interesting because I When I watch Lord of the Rings, I think Rivendell is like the most the most peaceful setting You're like if you're in Rivendell, you're like, all right, we're good.
No, like we're just talking about. Yeah get into the river But the okay, things are good now, but it's a very good moment of okay. I feel good now But it's very like foreboding. It is ominous of like what it could be Yeah, almost like not a false sense of peace, but kind of yeah. Yeah, like a little bit. Yeah Okay, I've I have quite a few actually And this is one that I also, um, listened to a playlist that is involved in it.
It's Gandalf studying in Minas Tirith, which I never, when I was younger and I first watched it, I didn't know it was Minas Tirith. I never caught that, but he was going all the way across to a place in the third movie. Sorry, Hunter. Which without reference, you're like, man, he got there fast, but like, if you know that, you're like That's why, yeah.
Him leaving the Shire, it was In the books, years until he came back. 10 years at least. But like, at least in the movie kind of world, you ought to eventually, after watching all three, recognize like, he was gone for months. Oh yeah, but there's a playlist that's literally called Study with Gandalf in Minas Tirith's library.
And it's like lo fi. It's like him, it's just like a loop of him like whatever. Great thing to look up on YouTube if you're like, just working in the background, it's really cool. But that scene, I don't know why. There's something about, like, him going through all the papers and his voice, like, Ian McKellen's voice is just so, like, you want to listen to it, and then he finds the thing, he's reading it, and I love moments in movies where it's voiceover that is revealing as you're watching the character, like, read something.
Like, National Treasure's a lot like that. I feel like there's, like, the reveal stuff. Do a great job. That's one of my all time favorites. That's a good one. That's like a deep dive one. That's really good. It kind of gets overlooked. It does. Yeah. Yeah. What is it, I mean, it's essentially the moment where everything like comes together for Gandalf.
Mm hmm. Of, oh, wow, this is, this is important. He's like, oh, okay. I, uh, I overlooked that one, really. Like, whatever. Yeah. Any other, any other ones? My, my last one that's just like a good rewatchable and you kind of spurred it on because it's just like the, the ones that probably aren't watched as much. Yeah.
Bilbo. When, when Gandalf gets to Bilbo's house and, and he realizes, he's like, No visitors, like, and he's like, what about very old friends? And brings him in, like, their reconnection is really sweet. And even at the time that I first saw this, I had no context for the Hobbit. Didn't even know about it. And yet you realize, like, oh, they know each other, they're deep friends.
He comes in, um, Gandalf even kind of notices the maps and stuff. He knows that Bilbo's planning something. Uh, Bilbo's whole little monologue of, I feel like, I feel tired, and I want to journey. I want to see mountains again, mountains. I feel like butter spread across too much bread. That, that scene is really, like, uh, It's a fun one.
I've re watched that one on YouTube several times just for that kind of moment from Bilbo. Yeah, I love that one. Hunter, any more? I have a few more. I think, not from like an action standpoint, but just when they're on, how do you say, Anduin? The river? Yeah. I think that, because they're coming from Lothlorien to Ewanhen, and it's like The statues?
Yeah, you see the statues and you're like Obviously, the statues are, you know, holding their hands out. And it's like, oh, no, we have to keep going. But it's also a cool moment for Aragorn. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. That it's almost kind of like this foreboding, like, do not enter. Yeah. Like, once you've crossed this, it's gonna get real.
Yeah. But it's like, well, we have to, so We literally have to go. Yeah. Well, what's cool is right after they pass through that, and it already kind of is like quiet and like you're whatever. Yep, yep. Is when they start doing the cut scenes of the Uruk Hai running through the forest. Yeah. Like, towards them and they're like Trying to catch glances or whatever, which I actually I have a moment of that with when we get into what modern music would you put over a scene because it's such like a Right when they go through that you're like oh beautiful lake and then it's like Dun dun dun dun dun dun you're like oh my goodness I love the scene with Farmer Maggot and Marion Pippin such a great character introduction.
It's actually hilarious Yeah, and I think I broke something That's one of the best lines Immediately into like one of the most chilling scenes. Oh, super super with the ringwraith. That quick. Yeah and the ringwraith which It's a nitpick, but like, Bro would definitely just see them. But like, you know, it's a movie.
But that, that whole monologue, you get the characters, like, their personalities so quick. And then, and then you're like, oh, they're boys. Like, they're here to hang out and everything. So, I love that scene as well. And the, uh, ooh, that was close, newer, the pile of mushrooms. Mushrooms, like all that scene good to what?
Yeah. Yeah. And then the moria fight scene is a great one. The whole bar rock chase scene is phenomenal. And the fight scene specifically at the grave, the fight scene. Yeah. When, whenever they're in the grave and, uh, you know, pip and drops and thing down and all that stuff. Have you seen it with lightsabers?
No, that's awesome. It's on YouTube. Have you not seen this? I think we had talked about this. Oh yeah, they put lightsabers over it and it's an incredible scene. It's like zoom, zoom, zoom. I want to say that like Sam It's like a, a cast iron like, it's like a lightsaber that looks like, almost like a cast iron, like more of like a different, I love it.
I actually think there's blasters too, like the air, the whatever. Speaking about that, I was like, lightsabers, blasters, and, and the Moria chasing, this might be nitpicky, but who do you think is worse? The goblins of Moria firing arrows, an impossible to miss, or the droids in Star Wars, or the clones incapable of hitting anything with their blasters.
Uh, so I'm gonna say the worst is the droids, only because the Moria goblins are at least pretty far away on the bridge. Yeah, yeah. Dude, Phantom Menace, those droids are like They're right there. Me to like that door and you're like, they're missing. Like they're supposed to be, you know, robots. They're supposed to be, I want to say that they're a little bit worse.
Any other? Uh, I mean, there's so many, but those are the big ones. Those are the ones that I have gone back and rewatched that I could like really, like genuinely say that. Yeah. Okay. Moving on to the scene that gives you the chills. Uh,
I don't know about, yeah, maybe chills. I, I, I think it's so cool. But, Gandalf jumping off the Tower of Orthanc, and uh, But then he jumps off the eagle, and uh, there is only one Lord of the Ring, and he just does not have power. And he jumps, and you're like, UGH! And then he lands on the eagle, and you're like, Oh, he told the moth to go, like, that's so freaking cool!
I love that scene because that's right after his, is that right after his army's getting built as well? Uh, he's been there, there's a couple scenes of out there. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, he, you get the kinda like flashback whenever fro he reconnects with Frodo and Dale. That's a great scene, but that's so good.
Yeah. Hunter. I would say, when Arwen tells Aragorn, I would rather share one lifetime with you than face all the ages of this world. Hunter's a romantic! Hunter loves the romance! Because of this film. You love Rivendell, bro. Well, yeah, first off, Rivendell's great. But it's also understanding that there's only one life and you are immortal.
And I can understand as, I mean, just had a daughter. And If I was immortal and my daughter was like, Hey, I wanna be mortal because of this guy. It's like, yeah. He'd be like, alright, . You're like, I dunno, are you sure? Like, are you really sure? I probably wouldn't be throw, which is even more complicated if you know some background because Elron it is was a half elf.
Okay. And he was given the opportunity to choose mortality or immortality and I think he had a brother, I think his brother chose, his brother chose mortality as a man in Nu in Numin, and he chose immortality to live with the elves. And so, for his daughter to do the reverse choice, Oh, wow. Is even more complex.
It really is, actually. Cause he had the, I mean, elves are born with no choice. He had the choice, so he might even treasure it more than the elves, potentially. And to have your daughter be like, nah. Nah, that's not it. For that guy. It's crazy. And there's even a lot of more of like, there's only three marriages or three couples in Middle Earth history that like, and this is not in the movie.
We're getting some reference to it. You get a little bit of reference to it. are very iconic couples who are immortal women and mortal men. Maybe there's a flip sometime. I don't know if there is, but they're very significant. Like Luthien and Berion, Berion and Luthien. That's a huge one. Aragorn and, um, Aragorn and Arwen.
There's one more. Don't know what it is. There's a one before. Oh, I mean Elrond's parents? Yes, it's whoever they are. Whoever that is, yeah. Yeah, but it's like very significant. And there's always There's always sacrifice, there's always sacrifice, there's always sacrifice, like someone typically has to die.
Like a tragedy. A tragedy, yeah. Always a tragedy involved. Yeah. I feel like it also sets the stage for, cause I think Aragorn, you don't, even at the end of the fellowship, you know that he's impressive. You don't know who he really is. Yeah, that's true. And so, that scene gives you an idea of You get the Council of Elrond, and that's it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you're like Yeah, it's pretty explicit, but, you know. But you just know that he's, like, it just gives you an idea of, man, okay, this dude's important, and they have some sort of history to where And he's, he's like, trying to get her to say, hey, actually, no, no, don't do this. Yeah. She's like, no, no, like, this is what I want.
Yeah. It actually is. It is. It's a beautiful scene. When they're on the bridge, almost. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really cool. So mine has, actually, this has been probably, uh, one of my favorite scenes and probably the, the scene that's given me chills since the first time I watched it. Okay. And I think I might have it in another category later as well.
But when they're on, um, oh my gosh, what's the name of the watchtower or the, uh, uh, weather top? Weather top When they're on the weather top. And Strider throws the torch of the nasals? Yes. Okay. Because he's fighting them. Yeah. And then you're like. Oh wait, there's one more. And it's like, things he can still battle.
And he's like, kind of looks, and he's like, left handed. Just face. I don't know why. I just like, I'm like, let's go! I just get so hyped. I love that. That's pretty sweet. It chills in a different way. So as, as, as someone who doesn't know as much, what, what happens at the ring race in that situation when they're on fire?
So, It's a great question. We kind of like only get like a little hint of it. Like kind of, kind of, again, the show not tell thing. And I don't even know if it's book. But. You kind of like realize throughout a lot of the story that kind of the thing that it the ring race can't die Yeah, but they're somehow a little more vulnerable to both fire and water And so that's why they're hesitant to get into the river.
Okay, and then they get hosed by the yeah The river stampede in the book they lose their covering and they have to go back horseless something about losing their physical man You don't know about it with fire. They're just kind of scared of it fire. They get they don't actually get lit on fire in the book Okay, but in the movie, you're like, seem like they'd be dead, but they're not.
No, they're not. Obviously. They can't die that way. I've also heard a theory that the one that gets in the face actually is potentially the Witch King. The one who stabbed Frodo is. For sure. So, is, are those the same? Is the one who stabs and the one who gets in the face the same? I don't know. It would kind of be cool.
It'd be kind of awesome. I don't, I don't know if it is. Either way. You can't confirm? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically single handedly taken on, like, four or five. Oh, yes. It's funny. Think about that in context. Like, Later, they're like, no man can kill this person, and here he comes like, I got some hobbits on the side of the third knee.
I got something to prove. Yeah. He's just that elite of like a sword guy. I got one more. Okay. Like, chill scene, can I play it? Play it, come on. Uh, alright, let me make sure this works. They took the little ones. Frodo, where is Frodo?
Then you did what I could not. I tried to take the ring from him. The ring is beyond our reach now. Forgive me. I did not see. I have failed you all. No, Boromir. You fought bravely. Kept your honor. Leave it. It is over. The world of men will fall. And all will come to darkness. And my city to ruin.
I do not know what strength is I swear to you, I will not let the White City fall. Our people fail. That's Goosebumps, man. It is Goosebumps. It's Goosebumps.
And just this, yeah. Aragorn kind of like really feeling the weight of his identity as like the true king of Gondor. His responsibility to go help his people. He hands him his sword so he can die with honor. Which, in the movie It's really the first time you see that kingly manner in the book. It's like, I'm going there, I'm doing it.
He knows that he's going, but in the movie, you're like, this is a turning point for him. It is, yeah. It's like, oh wait, this dude, he wants it. He actually wants it. Yeah. Oh, this part.
It's good, Tad. What I love about this scene too, though, is when Legolas walks up, and you see it on his face, him and Gimli both, like, they come upon this really pure, holy moment, and it's just The weight of this scene is really powerful. Yeah. Kind of sad. He's like Yeah. Right there, yeah. That's what she'll see in every time.
So good. Oh yeah. Of course. You love the, like, the repentance right at the end. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very redemptive. He's such a cool character arc. And, and it's sad that he is only in the first film. Because there's so much cool stuff. And we get, we get to meet his brother later. Which is really cool.
But like, and so he gets a little even like redemption moment later in the, in the film series. But Boromir, the character is really, like a I like his character, he's complex. Yeah, I think I hated him the first time I watched it. But the more you watch it, you're like, He just wanted to save his city. Yeah, I get that.
Just like so many of us, and I think that's kind of what we take from his character. You think the way that you overcome evil is to use the strong power weapon. The ends justify the means. Yeah. And yet, the rest of the story will show, no, it's actually the weird, kind of humble, sacrificial route that is what overcomes evil in the way that evil wouldn't expect.
Sauron expects them to use the ring against him, and that works directly into his plan, and Boromir's just a, I mean, he's just a victim to that. He, he, he falls into just kind of what, what, yeah, I mean, well. And that I think so much Tolkien does that with so much of his stuff of mm-hmm . That's why men are so vulnerable to So's lies.
'cause that's totally what we do. Yeah. We, we seize power in order to even with the best intentions and yet it becomes our downfall. Yep. And that's why Boor, I think that's why Boorman is one of my favorite characters actually. Yeah. He's so relatable. He's very honest. He's relatable. He does what I would do.
He is the most manlike man. Yes. Yes. In, in the film. When you realize Aragorn's actually like, he's not like, he's, he's different. Yeah. He's the hero. He's the hero we need. He's the, he's the person who actually is a truer version of man as they're supposed to be. Yeah. And yet Boromir is, is like the every man.
Yep. And as much as I think I would be like Aragorn, Yeah. I've, you know, it's funny, I bet there are people who watch it and go like. I'd be like Aragorn. Oh, he's my hero. I want to, I want to idolize Aragorn Yeah, you're right. It's like, if you don't like Bormir, guess what? You are probably Bormir. And I'm like, I didn't like him.
I don't know if I still like him. Like, yeah. But in the end, he, you can see he's like, I'm so sorry. He has that redemption arc, which is so cool. And even, even though ultimately they get captured, him at least trying to sacrifice himself on behalf of Merry and Pippin to save them is a, is full circle. Which.
The, the horn that he blows, I mean, that's significant in that, I mean, you don't blow that unless you really need it. Yeah, unless you really need it. So, I don't know, I feel like that ties into the whole moment because he's showcasing, like, I I am a man and I am in need. And that's like, I feel like that's what the horn is.
Yeah, he could be like, I can do this. I'm not gonna blow the horn. I messed up. I gotta defend my friends. And I need my friends here to help me. I'm gonna do it. Okay. Next scene is, or next segment is Favorite Lines. And I gotta be honest, there's a lot. There's a lot in here. There's more memos probably that we're gonna play.
Um, who wants to start on this one? Um, I'll start with the, uh, when the, Aragorn is describing the Nazgul, who's like the Ringwraith, and they ask about, I think it's one of the hobbits, asks about them, um, and he describes them saying they were once men, and then he goes into their, about how they, Let power overtake them.
I feel like it's very it's a very good picture again Well being subtle because that's I mean, I feel like the strength of the Lord of the Rings is subtly getting really strong points across Describing them as once men and saying they have changed but they also allowed themselves to change through They're lack of, of, of control over, over the power that they had.
A lot of human nature, El. I didn't know this was where this conversation was going to go, but you're right. Freaking philosophical. Dang. Yeah, that's a good one. I love that scene too. Is that in, uh, that's in Bree, right? When he's talking to, they, they were men at night when, right before they stab him? I think so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that what happens? Yeah, yeah. Uh, go ahead and play it, the scene with Saruman. I'm gonna have to find it. I love this moment. Yeah, you get Saruman's kind of big reveal of he's gone bad. Yeah. And this person that Gandalf went to for help. Has betrayed him. Has betrayed him. His mentor. His mentor.
I love this, this is on my scene as well, so I'm gonna. Play it right here.
There can be no victory.
We must join with him. We must join with Sauron.
It would be wise, my friend. Tell me, friend, when did Sauron the Wise abandon reason for madness? I love that scene. I don't know why it's my favorite line, and I think about it often, like when did Saruman the Wise abandon reason for madness? I have that on my list as well. It's, it's so good. The acting's amazing.
Yeah, the acting's amazing. Christopher Lee's phenomenal. Yeah, so good. And, and you just like You talk about just comebacks of like, not feeling the pressure in the moment. They're both just throwing zingers, just one liners, and Gandalf's like, Alright, chump. I got one for you. I love that one. Okay, I have two from the same character that I'm going to read back to back.
They're from Bilbo, and they're early on. The first one, I actually, I think I underlined this in the book as well when I was reading it. It is very simple. It says, It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life. It's the, it's the kind of the Shire concerning hobbits. Yeah. I think it's in the extended extended.
Okay. I will say the beginning of the, the extended, the extra content, the extra Shire content you get in the extended edition is entirely worth it. Yeah. It's like a Bilbo. Writing his story, but also being like, where do I start? Oh, I got to talk about Hobbit. Which is kind of like a war into the Hobbits.
Kind of like a meta thing they did in the films. Because Bilbo writing essentially the Hobbit in the Fellowship of the Ring is so cool. That's such a great, um, Or write my book. That's the Hobbit. That's so good. And then the other one is in the party when he's giving his speech. I've always loved this line.
And it's, I think I actually finally have it down. I bet I'll fumble it, but. I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. I love it. And you, it's so funny because Frodo gets the line and Gandalf gets it and of course Bilbo but all the other hobbits are like Everyone else looks confused.
They're like, what? Was that a dig? Like, I don't know. And he says it just like so quick and off the cuff. Uh, I mean, I love those two lines. I would say, so they were once men, but then, um, there's so many good ones. I think when, um, when you, again, man, I just keep going back to Rivendell. That's just, this is the great, you're one of the elves.
Oh my gosh. We know we're hunters. I'm actually, I'm actually an elf. I'm actually an elf myself. Um, I think, I don't, I don't, I don't know verbatim, but I think the dialogue between, between Gandalf and Elrond is really interesting. Because, um, that's where you see that, okay, yeah, it's this, it's this really safe place.
But, like, okay, we're not invincible. Like, Elrond understands the power of the ring. He's like, okay, it cannot stay here. And because of that, you're like, alright, there's a lot. There's a lot that's still to happen here. Um, so I don't know. It's not really a, like a zinger dialogue enhancing it. Yeah, great acting too in that one.
Hugo is, is a killer. Um, I mean, it, I'll kind of run two together here, but, uh, can you play the one I sent you about the Gandalf and Moria? I have this one as well, by the way. Can we actually, before we go there, I have one in the timeline that's before, because I have that, the one that you're talking about, I have in mine as well, but real quick, I love the line from, uh, I think it's from Sam, he goes, when they're traveling from Bree in the wilderness, he says, how do we know this Strider is a friend of Gandalf?
Oh, this is such a good line. I think, I guess Frodo responds and said, I think of a servant of the enemy. It would look fair, but feel fouler. Yeah. Which I'm like, and then I like that. And then Mary says, he feels foul enough, and You can tell Aragorn, like, hears him. He totally hears him. You're like, that's such a good line.
That line. Because Aragorn looks so rugged, and not Uh, beautiful and yet he's a servant of good and yet he's the ranger and that's that whole theme of like the rangers being kind of these outcasts. Yeah, even the people in Bree didn't really quite trust him and yet they didn't realize how important his being there was.
Yeah, it even goes back to like, um, you know, Sauron when he appeared to the elves was in fair form. Yeah, and yet he obviously was bringing evil and they were like, oh, we glad you accept him and then Ergon's like the best dude in the world and he looks like a junk covered in dirt. Yeah. Similar actually with Gandalf and Saruman.
100%. Gandalf's like a, he kind of looks like a ruggedy person, he's the wizard of the people. Yep. Saruman's in his tower. White, all this stuff. White robes. Well there's a There's almost a thing, like, if a character looks fair, you actually might be evil. Unless you're Galadriel, which is beautiful. The elves are, yeah, they're amazing.
Okay, here's that scene. I have no memory of this place. I love that line, too. When he walks up and he's at the crossroads and he doesn't know where he is. I have no memory of this place. I love that line. I feel like I say that. Okay. This one. Sometimes, just when I forget something.
I don't know. I love that line. It's so funny to me. Like, just, I have no memory of this place. And I feel like I'll say that sometimes if I just feel like, uh, I have no memory of this place. I don't remember that. Uh, but what follows that is actually really, like, I genuinely think one of the most beautiful scenes in the movie.
Yes, it is. And, and before we actually go there. I have, uh, I have a line in here that is, If in doubt, young Maryadoc, always trust your nose. And I've always been curious. He says he has no memory of this place. But the idea of like, they say that smell and memory Yeah, it's actually really powerful. Go very powerful.
And I've always thought like, if I'm ever in a situation Well, I don't know where to go. Follow my nose. I am going to follow my nose. Yeah. And it's just like, that's so, that's such good advice. Like, did Tolkien just pick that up? Or like, I'm sure he did. Is that random or is that, uh, Is that, yeah, whatever.
But the scene you're talking about. The, uh, I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened. That one. We're going to play it real quick. Such. It's the most, it's one of the best quotes. Oh, man. It's so good, dude.
I wish none of this had happened. So do all, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what it has given to us.
Besides the will of evil, Bilbo was meant to find the ring. In which case, you also were meant to die, and that is my courage to tell you that. Uh, before that, uh, Frodo had said, because they, they realized it's me, or, uh, Gollum's been following them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he says, it's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance.
Great line, yeah. Gandalf calls him out of, like, pity. It was pity that stayed his hand. I have, my heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in this for good or evil. Yes. And don't be too quick to deal out death and justice. Who are you to give it to? Yeah. Yeah. Many, many who died deserve a life, and many who Deserve life, earn death.
And so like, yeah. Who are you and kind of Gandalf calling attention to. There's even like, or think he said something like, even the very wise cannot see all ins mm-hmm . So you don't know. There's, there's, it's, it's really one of the few moments, at least in the films where there's, there's like some sort of nod given to the providential powers Yep.
Of mm-hmm . Uh, which if you've read the large, like larger iar Yeah. Uh, or uh, uh, ARU or whatever. Mm-hmm . Kind of the deity of the middle or guitar. Yeah. Uh, just, there's, there's forces of good at work that you don't know anything about and, and working all things together for, for, for a good outcome, even the moments that feel bad.
And that, that, that scene is beautiful. It's amazing. Yeah. It, uh, even more mind blowing than the thought that in that world, there's good being whatever is the fact that a human being wrote a character like Gandalf, like when I'm watching these scenes, I'm like, I'm honestly more in line with Frodo. I'm like, let's just like get the little creature and like get out of here and for Tolkien to like Even have the capacity that much wisdom to write a character this wise.
That's so yeah and a character like Gollum That's so depraved and evil and rotten like these characters are like I think of Aragorn and like Gandalf as these just Amazing and and Elrond in that realm of just like and Colladriel like these crazy Characters are so wise, and it's easy for me to forget that, like, Tolkien wrote these characters.
So, like, he is as wise as these characters. To be able to write them, in some sense, Or at least, as a nod that there's need for such wisdom in the world right? Yeah, that, I mean, That is awesome. So good. Hunter, do you have any more? If not, I have one more. Okay, so this is towards the end of the scene, or the end of the movie, and I'll just read the quote real quick, and then I'll play the clip, but it says, The Fellowship has failed.
That's from Gimli. It says, Not if we hold true to each other. And then just from that, it just, it gets, it's so good. It's such a hopeful ending to the movie, I'll just play it. It
has all been in vain. The Fellowship has failed.
Not while we have strength left. Leave all that can be spared behind.
Traveler puts a dagger. Oh, that's handsome. That's handsome more. That's handsome more. I love that before that, he's putting on Boromir's, uh, gauntlets. Say that again, Tav? Like, he's putting on Boromir's, uh Is that what they're called? What are they called? I think they're called gauntlets, maybe. Uh, like, kind of like, like, uh, wrist protection.
And it's got the, the White Tree of Gondor on it. And it's, it's kind of a neat little, that he carries something with Boromir with him through the end. That is cool. Into his line of like, not if we hold true to each other. And it's, it's, I love that scene. The let's hunt some orc. It's epic. The way he says it though, it's like, yeah.
It gives me amp dude. Yeah. And the music. Yeah. I mean, Howard Shore, just like the whole scene is Yeah. and, and, and as the, like, the first time I watched it, I think that I was like, I don't know how they're gonna end this. Like, in a happy way. It's gonna be a sad one. And, yep. I didn't know there was another movie and I'm, you know, seven, eight years old.
Yeah. But the idea of like, oh, I forgot about Marion, actually. Yeah. Like there, no, I would've, I would've gone up to fur sand. I did not even think about it. And it's like. Oh wait, yeah, they have to, they have to go. And that genuinely seemed like Aragorn's reason for wanting to chase him down and like, Yes, I think he, in the back of his head, was thinking, I'm gonna go to Gondor.
I think that's where I'm supposed to be in this grand narrative. Of things and Frodo, like I think Frodo and Sam are supposed to go alone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I was gonna, jumping ahead, I think this is a very redemptive moment because it shows a very quick, like, change of purpose. Yeah. It's like, okay, we set out from the council with this grand purpose.
From Rivendell, dude. From Rivendell. With this grand purpose. And then they realized that, that actually is not our part to play anymore. And being able to Accept it and kind of Yeah, accept that, that, okay, our role has changed and we need to accept that. If we don't accept that, then it's gonna actually end up worse.
Even though we're getting away from like the main thing. There's still other things that are really important. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then knowing what happens in the next book is Right. And what's coming is just It's fun to watch that scene knowing that's what, that's what's coming. Agreed. Agreed.
That's all the quotes I have. The next, uh, segment is, what is the scene of this movie? Essentially, the scene that is this movie for you. When you think of this movie, this is the scene. I mean, we've been all around it, but I got two picks. And I think I have a lean. I think I have a lean. I think, and I'm curious if it's yours.
Gandalf and Frodo in that Moria scene. Oh. And then Frodo and Sam at the lake. Oh. Where Sam cheats him down. Interesting. I think, because, like, for everything we've already talked about, Gandalf giving the perspective to Frodo and Moria of like, there is a purpose for all of this. Yeah. And, and the ring has come to you for a reason and you're supposed to, like, to me that's the, that's the, that's the scene of the movie because it's a, you have, As a person watching it, you walk away thinking, I have some special task and even if I don't love my circumstances, there's a reason for all of this that I'm supposed to do.
That is the scene. Or, it's Frodo and Sam at the lake, because it is the fellowship of the ring. It is the, Sam saying, I made a promise, Mr. Frodo, a promise, don't you leave him Samwise Ganji, and I don't mean to. I'm coming with you. I know I'm going to Mordor, of course you are, and I'm coming with you, because it's the fellowship of the ring, and Sam is the only one who truly is like, no, like, I'm in on the fellowship.
I'm not leaving you. I made a promise all the way back in the Shire and we're sticking it through. Yeah, I'm not letting you get away alone. I'll die before I let that happen. I'll drown. Yeah, that's the scene I mean, I'm glad that this is open for interpretation because that's a great scene, but I don't have either of those.
Oh, wow. I actually didn't either. No You got it, okay, so the first one that I think about is I mean, is it going to be in Rivendell? It's not in Rivendell. It's not in Rivendell. It's Elrond saying, The Fellowship of the Ring. Because that's the title of the film. I was going to say, so Gandalf on the bridge of Khazad dûm.
Because. That's actually, yeah. It is so good. I feel like, from reading it the first time, when that happens you're like, What? Mm hmm. Cause, cause, uh, hearing people from, like, that have followed Lord of the Rings, all you hear of Gandalf all the time, then it's like, but he dies in the first book. Dude, I ruined this for you, by the way, remember?
Yes, I do remember that. I didn't know that he hadn't finished the second book, and I was like, yeah, super sad, but dude, he comes back so cool, and Hunter's like, what? Wait, what? Like, yeah, I'm like, ah, dang it, dude. think I was there when you said that. I'm like, hunter, you only had like 50 years to read it.
It's fair. But that's, that's unfair. It's, I didn't know. So I remember that moment. Yeah. And being like, okay, so where do we go from here? Yeah. Because I feel like that moment is the, the rising to the occasion of aorn. He does rise. He becomes the leader of the fellowship. Yes. And then you can see it on his face because of the conversation that he and Frodo had.
Frodo now knows. Okay. This is, this is my, my, my assignment. Sure. Mm. Um. And just like the, the, the, what do you call it, cinematography of the Balrog. It's so good. Getting him on his way down is just unbelievable. Like, cause it's also a nitpick of mine. But, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna get into it. Okay, well, cause you, you feel like, it's like, alright.
It's long enough to where you feel like, alright, we're good. And it's like, okay, we're far worse off than we were before. It really does, you're like, he defeated him. And then you're like, the worst thing ever just happened. Yeah, exactly. And he's like, okay. Exactly. So you have two though, what's your other one?
And then I think of Boromir and, uh, Aragorn and I mean, I love that scene. It's super redemptive, it's awesome. Yeah. So, um, but we've talked about that one. Yeah. Mine are both very high action scenes. Yours are not action scenes at all. Yours are both action scenes. I don't know, mine are high dialogue scenes.
High dialogue, like, feeling, friendship scenes. And mine, so, the one for me, and actually, if I had to pick one, I'll say the first one. Weathertop, for me. Huh. Okay. I don't know why. It's so early. It's so early. I love Aragorn, though, and I think that scene, just like, He's already, you already think he's pretty cool, I think, but at that scene, you're like, Oh cool, this is literally the baddest dude here.
Yeah, it totally is. Like, he's, has one arm with a torch and the other with a sword, and he's just battling these, like, guys that, with these ringwraiths that are crazy. Just one on nine. You also get some really good hobbit, just, characteristics where they're, They're cooking. Holding, or uh, Frodo wakes up, I was holding my child, maybe he's Frodo.
Uh, Frodo's, what are you doing? It's making some nice crispy bacon. Yeah, yeah. Put it out. Put it out. It's so funny. It's all that and then the high pitched scream and then the there's just such a feeling of like despair. Whenever he gets stabbed. And you're like, it goes, we're actually getting back to the idea of like these people who are seen as beautiful or whatever.
Even when he gets stabbed. Those nights are like in white and like bright and you're like, maybe maybe this is the good guys But I mean you don't think that yeah, they say and then you see this like see things black silhouette come through with flames And you're like, that's a good guy. I don't know why I know that's a good guy Yeah, zoom out and it's like air gone just going to work.
Oh, yeah, and then when he throws the torch Again another aerial. You love Aragorn throwing the torch. It's awesome. If you can throw a torch left handed and hit a dude in the face and there's a cool like camera pan where like it almost goes aerial and it goes through the tunnel the the Nazgul walks right under.
Amazing. I just, that scene is amazing to me. The second one is. Uh, and it's funny how we're all defining this, like, when I think about it, but like, Bormare taking arrows was so shocking to me when I watched it the first time that it, like, lives in my memory, almost of, like, an infamous scene. I'm like, You know, he's not Like, I know his dude's about to take three arrows.
Arrow one, you know he's not making it out. Because the music, the music sets the tone. Which is so true. He gets arrowed in the chest with one and you're like, he's dead. And then he keeps fighting. He's getting, yeah. And he pushes through and takes three. Awesome. And every time he gets up and fights, you're like, I love this guy.
Oh yeah. It's amazing. So that scene for me, I mean, those two are. Yeah. Going back to the watchtower, do you think, and this is just an observation, do you think there's anything deeper in the fact that the reason The Nazgul knew that they were up there was because of a campfire, but then they leave like on fire.
Oh, do you think there's anything to that? Or it's just a, it's just a cool, that's a great observation, but you are like, uh, the thing that drew their enemies to them actually became their salvation is actually kind of cool. But how did Ergorn show up with a torch anyway? Like he just rolls out. That's a, yeah.
That's a good question. He can do what he wants. So get out of here. First off, he can do what he wants. He's a ranger. Yeah. I, I, it would have, would have been cool as if they didn't completely put the fire out and he like. That would be sick. Dude, hot take. Did Ergorn know that they were going to do that?
And they were, and he's like. He used them as bait. He used them as bait. Cause he's like, the only way we're getting them off our tail is to fight them. So. Hobbit bait. Wow. That's funny. That's funny. What does he say before that? He's like. You guys stay put, I'm gonna look around. Like something like that, and it's like, what are you doing?
You know he's watching. He's a ranger dude, he was always watching. Cause he shows up pretty quick. That's funny, where does he get the fire? Now I'm That's a great observation though, I didn't realize that. I like that. The thing that drew them also was like the thing that repelled them. Cause they got a little scared of it like little babies.
Yeah. Whatever. Um, okay. Next segment. I, I'm going to be honest. I think I'm most excited for this. I maybe y'all aren't. This is my favorite segment. I think so far calling it the council of recasting, obviously a play on the council of Elrond. Yeah. Hunter's favorite place in the world. Essentially we're just alternate casting choices for main characters.
Now, caveat. I don't think anyone should be recasted. No, no, no. Absolutely love it. I think they literally nailed, they nailed it. Yeah. Every single, uh, actor in this. So we're not saying like, even when you, when you read about people that, that audition and they, they almost made it in the film, and then you're like, I'm so glad that person didn't, it was perfect.
Yeah. So I think we each have to run through our entire list. We can't go back and forth 'cause I think Tad did it. I took the assignment a little bit different. I did, yeah. You did a modern day casting, right? You want to go first? Yeah. This is modern day casting. If they were remaking. I'm in the philosophy of no one should be recast.
They nailed it. It was perfect. And so this is entirely of, if I was going to choose, Popular actors from the 2020s. Who would I recast if I were making this film? I'm so interested to see who Frodo is for you. Uh, you, you, you know. Can I take a guess? Take a guess. Is it, I think there's two options. You it be, uh, would it be Chalamet?
It's Chalamet. Yeah, you got it. First, first, that's awesome. And I know that that's so cliche. Yeah. But, but he looks like it. He's actually a good actor. As overrated as I think he is, he's good. He's I thought maybe you were gonna say Tom Holland. Well, I don't know. Don't I love Tom Holland because he's a sweet boy.
Oh my goodness. Oh my Sam. I don't know about that. I think Timothy and Tom Holland have not correct me if I'm wrong they've not been co I don't know. Just Zendaya has acted with both of them. Right. And to see them together I actually think could work. Tom's a little skinny, he'd have to put on some weight for Sam, cause Sam, in my mind, is gotta be a thick boy.
Um, Mary and Pippin, have you watched any SNL recently? Marcelo Hernandez and Michael Longfellow are kind of the new hot guys on SNL. I know this guy. And they're so funny. I think they're just wacky. You think they would be married? I put Marcelo as Mary and Michael as Pippin, and I think that they'd be hilarious.
Um, here's where I get it, here's where I really like it though. Um, your trio, your Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. I love Oscar Isaac as Aragorn. I think he could do it. I think he's the only guy that could do it. Oh. Uh, Tom Hardy's a great Boromir. Yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty good. Am I right? Yeah, he is, yeah.
He'd be awesome. Yeah. Uh, and then, We're gonna buff Legolas up a little bit. He was a little too skinny the first time Henry Cavill. Okay He's kind of got some elfish features. I know I'm going a little bit. That's your biggest stretch. I'll be honest I like Henry Cavill as Legolas. Hmm in just a quiet guy But buff or just a killer just a killer and a mercenary unit.
Yeah, cuz Legolas doesn't talk much No, he didn't talk. Yes. He has the fewest lines. I think in the entire film but Cavill might be the least elf person I've ever seen. No, I think he is. I think you could make him elfish He'd have to lose some weight. He'd have to, he'd have to thin up a little bit, but I kind of like the idea of like a really big buff Legolas, who's able to just run.
I feel like, I don't know, I'm gonna disagree with that. I know I'm pulling a little bit from The Witcher on that, like he was in The Witcher. But if you, if you pretty him up from, like, imagine Henry Cavill in The Witcher, and you make him a little bit prettier. Legolas. He's gotta get skinnier. He's gotta get, alright, alright, that might be my stretch.
He's gotta shed like 50 pounds. I want Henry Cavill in this film. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. And I didn't want him as Aragorn. I think that would have been the, like, the, the cliche pick. Oscar Isaac's a little more rugged. Okay. Um, and able to just get in the character. Uh, Gimli, David Harbour, Hopper from Stranger Things.
That's perfect. That's perfect. I haven't seen Stranger Things, so. Okay. You've probably seen him in, uh. I think he's the only guy that could, who could match. John Rhys Davies on that, on that run. He would be good, actually, yeah. Here's my, and then, uh, here's my favorite, though. You get Viggo to come back as Gandalf.
Wow. That's actually your best one. I'm sorry. Cause, cause you get a little bit of like an homage to the original. But Viggo comes back as Gandalf, as an old man. Yeah. And I love it. Ian McKellen's still alive. So you could get him in there. But I like the idea of Viggo. Reprising that role. Cause he'd own it, it'd be awesome.
You know what's actually crazy about that is in the year that we're recording this, 2024 Uh, Vigo is the same age as Ian McKellen was. No kidding? When they were born. Oh wow, that's perfect, that's awesome. So look at that, look at that. Yeah, that'd be incredible. That's my recasting. And no Galadriel, you're not, no females.
I strictly went, I strictly went with that because I, Kate Blanchett is perfect. She's still one of my favorite actresses. You'd recast her as Galadriel. She could, she could kill you. 100%. She would still crush you. She's still, I mean, she's, she's hardly aged and she's still, she's still showing up in films and TV series and she's amazing.
This is not what this is about, but I, I, as amazing as she is, I think she actually might still be underrated. I think she's super underrated. She's so versatile. She's an incredible actress. She's been in amazing films and movies. Yeah. Um, uh, such a variety and diversity of roles. She's a, she's a great actress.
They scored by getting her as, as Galadriel. Oh man. She's perfect. She's perfect. You would like to go or you want me to go? You go. Okay. So I took it as recasting back in the day. Back in the day. So a lot of my research was like actors, actors in the 40s, 50s around that time. Okay, okay. I actually, some of them are bad.
Alright. Some of them are bad because I, I don't, I don't want to recast a lot of these people and so it's a stretch. I think some of them are great. I'm going to put it right there. I think, I think my Frodo potentially, if you think about it, because they kind of look alike, could be amazing. Tobey Maguire as Frodo.
Yes, yeah, I'm on board. I'm totally on board. He kind of looks like it. He kind of looks like it. I'm totally on board. I can get there. Like, like, in case you don't know, like, that's, you know, Spider Man, Peter Parker, kind of has the eyes. I like it. I mean, there was a weird moment where, like, Radcliffe. Toby McGuire and Elijah Wood, were all like, these are, we know what Hollywood's into right now.
If you go early, two thousands. Guys. Those, the guys, five, seven, they're the Timothy Chale of the early two thousands. They're, they're, they are five. Five. They're the Tom Holland. Five white dudes, kind of quiet, mysterious, a a little stringy. Yep. . It's Tom Holland to meet the she May of today. Those guys. 100%.
So these guys could run. Yeah, so Tomo Aguirre's Frodo. I think that's, I think it's good. I like it. This next one, I'm not so sure it's good. I'm, I'm pulling from the Goonies for Sam. Josh Brolin. Hmm. Who plays Thanos. Who plays, uh, the guy in, um, No Country for Old Men. I do love that he's in the Goonies. I love that he's in the Goonies and I always forget that.
He's a little too aggressive to be a Sam. He's too aggressive. But, I, I think if But he would have been the right age. But here's the thing, we're not at the third movie yet, you haven't seen it. There's a moment where Sam has to become a little bit more, uh, brave and fight y. Yeah. Roland would kill that. He would kill that, but I, it's the best I could find.
I was like, okay, he would've been the right age. There's not a lot of people like Sean Aston. Sean, I only think Brolin as, as Thanos in that age and onward. Yeah, that's fair. He has a lot of other, but he has a lot. I see him in the Goonies and then as an old man, I don't have any middle aged Brolin. That's fair.
In my, in my imagination. Enough. Fair enough. Okay. Okay. This one might be the worst one. Caveat. Yeah, that's fine. It's fer Gandalf. Right now, Liam Neeson. Ha ha. Okay. He's old, he's tall, he has the voice for it. Okay. He, he could kinda do some of the action scenes. I can see it. And at that time, he was pretty old.
He was younger, of course. He would have been like, early 50's. Taken's like 2005. Okay. So think about that time. Him in that, yeah. He would still be a little bit more like, versatile. Sure. Obviously, I don't think he would deliver the lines as well. But he has the voice. He's got a voice. He's got the voice. I don't, I just, yeah.
He might not be able to be a little bit lighter hearted. This one I think plays ball. For Aragorn. Ethan Hawke. Huh. Hmm. Okay. Ethan Hawke is not a pretty boy actor, and yet he's been in a lot of mainstream things. He's been the main in them, and he's been in action. Uh, the only thing is, he seems a little slimy.
That, that, that's exactly the word that I, I didn't have it, but that's perfect. He's a little bit of point. I think he would play the part of Strider, you'd be like, this guy's greasy. Yeah. Wait, Strider is, yeah, for sure. But, I don't know if he had the turning point of, Getting gaining trust, but I I don't mind actually it's hard to it's hard to cast Aragorn I even said potentially Sean Bean could have been Aragorn.
Yeah, it might have been a little bit better than Ethan Hawke But whatever. Yeah, okay. Oh, I have another one too. William Fitchner as Aragorn. Do you know who that is? Look him up. I thought you were about to say Willem Dafoe That, oh my gosh, William Fichtner as Aragorn, you've seen this guy, you've seen this guy.
He, yeah. Was he in one of the, one of the Hulk movies? Uh, he has been in, um, he's been some villains in Armageddon. He was in Armageddon. The Longest Yard. He kind of has a rougher look to him. Okay. He's, he's in, um, Black Hawk Down. So he's the bank teller in the Dark Knight. That guy. That's who you think of when the opening scene, great actor for that by the way.
He's he just can be a be a badass again. Well, you know, these aren't the best I think they're they're better than whatever you said to have like Hey again, different different take modern modern version. Sir. Isaac's the only guy that could do it Aragorn's a tough guy to cast and I think of course probably like goes down in history is the only guy that could play Aragorn Really good.
There's a There's a dude. What's his name? Something med school. He's a younger actor. He's actually the new guy in gladiator 2 Uh, yes, he can play. He's a little too young right now. That dude could play Aragorn going forward. I see that. Paul Mesco? Paul Mesco, yeah. He's awesome. I'm so pumped for Gladiator 2.
It's gonna be so good. I know, I need to lower the bar for how amped I am for that film. By the time this comes out, we've already seen it. You got Denzel, you got Pedro Pascal. It's gonna be awesome. They're bringing back Connie Nielsen for Lucila. I mean, it's gonna be awesome. Okay, I'll get, I'll go quicker.
So, my next one for Boromir is Martin Sokas? And y'all don't know who that is, of course. No. He's the guy who plays Celeborn, Galadriel's husband. Okay. I actually think he'd be a great Abormir. Interesting. What's his name? Martin K S O K A S Kosokas. He's been in other films. He's actually a pretty big actor.
I think he could play Boromir. Here's another Boromir option. Eric Bana. Cause you hate him. I hate Eric Bana. I would hate him in the film. As Boromir? As Boromir. So I think he, he, he's a rough, tough guy. Yeah. Okay. As Galadriel, there's only one other actors and even as I say this, I'm like. I actually think this is ridiculous.
During that time, someone who kind of has the elf aura, Uma Thurman. Huh. Okay. Uma Thurman. She doesn't have as deep of a voice, but she's an amazing actor. Not Charlize Theron? Okay. Ooh, she's too pretty. She's too, feels too modern to be in that role. Not that Cate Blanchett's not pretty, but Cate Blanchett has like an ancient Uma's kind of got like a regal Yeah.
Cate Blanchett more than anybody has that regal I think Uma would be Okay, as Elrond Ray Fiennes, a. k. a. Voldemort. I'm on board with that. Voldemort, totally. I'm a great member with that. He would kill that. He'd be good. He might have been better than Hugo. Potentially. They're a different age, but like, potentially.
Yeah. He would have been awesome. Okay, last one. This one's just I have two. I have two more, sorry. I was going to ask if you were going to do the one that the guy was on. I am, I am going to do it. You mentioned this the other day. I'm going to leave it towards the end. Jared Leto is legless during that time.
Okay. During that time. Early, he's so elfish. He is very elfish. He didn't have a lot of lines. He's very elfish. He's not going to talk much, but he'd be good at it. And he'd be, they'd be like, there's the good looking elf dude. Yeah. That might be better than my, uh. Yeah, I can get there. My Henry Cavill. Then your Henry Cavill.
I think that's better. I actually, I think I would swap out Henry Cavill for Jared Leto even now if I was doing a modern recast. Yeah. Okay. Now, this, this character does not appear in the movies. I love this. Because he's a sacred character, and to be honest, by the time this is being recorded and you'll hear it, he's been ruined in a TV series.
We're not going to say what it is, you know what it is. This character has been ruined. And I think there's only one actor that was alive then, is not alive now, that could honor this Tolkien character. So Tom Bombadil to cast right here. Side note, I think Peter Jackson made an excellent decision not to include him in the film.
He did. But if you've read the book. Oh, he's so iconic. Tom Bombadil is yes, you you almost you don't need him in the book and then you need him in the book Yeah, I think Peter Jackson made the right choice not to include him in the films for the sake of like he didn't actually impact The plot but he's so key to the story.
So key to the story this actor. I honestly don't think any other actor could Honor him. Okay. Are you ready? Yeah. You've already, I think You've told me and I love this. I think Robin Williams as Tom Bombadil because Tom Bombadil is wise and yet very kidlike. Absurd. I think also Robin Williams would respect Tolkien enough to like, He would've read the books.
He would've read the books. Yeah, he would've. And played that character so Well, because Tom, when you read him, you're like, this dude's singing all the time. He's kind of hilarious. He feels improv y and like kid like. He's outrageous. Dude, Robin Williams, if you ever hear him take a speech, like, obviously you see him in movies, but as a speech, Dude is all over the place.
It's kind of a more, um, more serious version of, I mean, this is kiddish, but his role as Genie in Aladdin, of this outrageous character who's crazy powerful, and yet, times ten, times a hundred, Tom Bombadil, this, this magic, strange character in the woods. That's silly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Robin. Playful. Think about it.
Robin Williams is. The genie in Aladdin, or yeah, he's a genie, he's also in Good Will Hunting as a serious guy. So he can do both, and I think Tom has moments where you're like, he pauses a lot, and he's serious, but then he like, starts singing, and you're like, he's Robin. That's the thing, he's too famous for it, but if you throw that aside, he's the perfect Tom Bombadil.
That would've been fun. Oh man, it would've been cool. Alright, Hunter. Okay, um, I think this is just fun to do because my, I don't feel like any of mine are like remotely close to any of y'all so this is, this is, this is fun. I like recasting back then or you did like? I, I literally was just like, who is the actor, regardless of time.
It doesn't matter time. I feel like it's more modern than anything. Okay. Okay. But maybe, maybe not. I don't know. We'll see. Do the blend between us two. Okay. Um, this first one, just go with me. Okay. Frodo. Okay. Daniel Radcliffe. Because. Alright. Because you've seen that he can excel. In the, like, unlikely small person that ultimately defeats the source of all evil.
Like, you know what I mean? That would be a great cast. And it's crazy that him and Elijah Wood got started at, like, the same time. And they played similar roles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a lot younger, but. Yeah. Okay, I like that. After Harry Potter, he'd be the perfect cast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he did it, like, the same, obviously they're so different, but there's similarities.
Um, for Arwen, um, Anne Hathaway. Yeah. Oh, because I almost feel like it's so similar. It's like almost too similar. Wow. You know what I mean? That would have been good. Dude, that's a great, that might be the greatest recast. I like that so far. Because she, she honestly seems like the most like, what's her name?
Liv, Liv, Liv Tyler. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like that one was very Because I love that that is that is amazing like she she's shown that she can be a very well Would you go with would you go with? Like an older. Yeah, what age? Princess diaries cuz that's how it that's how old she was at the time. Oh, I guess she was Yeah No way.
Wait, no. Who am I thinking of? Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway, Princess Diaries came out the same year as this. Yeah, but lived, he's saying regardless of age. Okay, regardless of age, yeah. Would you go with an older? Like Dark Knight Rises Anne Hathaway? I would say older. Like Catwoman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Les Mis.
That's a great, I like that casting. Um. And then, yeah, this is a little bit out of left field, but for Aragorn, yeah, obviously. This is the hardest one. That's the hardest one. This one's hard, and so, um, I chose Michael B. Jordan. Okay. Because, so, this one's a little bit sentimental to me because he was one of my favorite, he was an actor in one of my favorite shows growing up.
Michael B. Jordan was? Yeah. In, uh, What series? Uh, Friday Night Lights. Interesting. You're right. He comes along like later. Yeah, he does, yeah. In the series. Um, really, really good. I think he does a really good job. Of, um, one, taking roles seriously, but two, he does a really good job of, of, of being, of, of being strong characters that also, like, have something, yeah, something else to them.
He can keep it close to his chest almost. Yeah. Yeah. Can I say this? It's probably an unpopular opinion. I think he's one of the best actors of our time. Oh, yeah. I think in Black Panther, which is like one of the, where he played the, uh, what was the name of his character? Killmonger? Killmonger. Is that it? I think it, I, I was frustrated with that movie because the dialogue they gave him did not match his, his ability.
Yes, that's a great point. He had a poor written script. Yes. And so so many of his lines, even if he could not have delivered in a way that didn't sound cheesy. Yep. And it was like, man, just let that guy cook and let him say it. Let him take that character and do something. And you could, it felt like he was reading a script throughout the movie.
And I was frustrated because it was such a good villain. Yep. And such an amazing actor. And yet somehow it didn't work for me. And I might be unpopular in that opinion. But it was I recognize that guy's an amazing actor. And I don't think He wasn't put in a good position. No, he was set up for failure. Yep.
Because, and it, it was such a good villain too, so the dialogue could have been better, but his lines felt forced. Yeah. Yep. I have even more unpopular opinion. Yep. I think he's a great actor. I think though he is overrated because he doesn't actually have a great role yet. He needs, he hasn't found his role, like people love That's a good point.
Yeah. That's because it's boxing and that's cool. I, I think he, it'll be cool to see if he gets a, he gets a role in a movie where he just like crushes gets, he has not landed it yet. Yeah. I think he is. Killmonger is a great example. Yeah, I think that he maybe isn't the best at picking roles and it's sometimes I feel like he's overacting That doesn't mean he wouldn't be great as Aragorn.
And also I do think that's the role I do think there's a role out there for him that it's like This dude obviously, I mean, he's iconic. You know who he is? Yeah. He's, he's an A-list actor, but I just don't know if he has that role yet that you're like, okay, somebody needs him over. Needs to put over the top movie specifically to get Michael P.
Jordan. That's the thing, the role he, you could argue that he is a, what's the word? Where it's like you are an actor that does one thing. You just do action. Like he could be that typecasting. Typecast. He might be typecasted. Yeah. I just think he does a really good job of being like, uh, like stoic. He is very stoic.
He's 100 percent he's stoic. So I think he needs more stoic roles. That's not a bad pick for Aragorn. Yeah. Because of just like kind of a complex. Yeah. There's some depth and a stoic person. I like that. Yep. You putting him in a wig? Man, I'll be honest. I didn't get that far, but I feel like, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah. What's his hairstyle? We're gonna, we're gonna see this more in, in, uh, in, in when we get to Two Towers. But I actually think there was a missed opportunity in the. In, in that of, of doing some different ethnicity type casting between Rohan and Gondor. Yeah. And, and I wish that they had done that because it would have shown the diversity of the human race in Middle Earth.
And so, the idea of like, Gondor being, uh, ethnically black and Rohan being white, or vice versa, some, some version of that. They're in a different, they're in a different region. It could have been cool. Maybe a little bit more coastal, it's like, why would you not play into that? different ethnicities forming because of differences in different typography and stuff like that could have been really, uh, There was an opportunity for that, that, that a modern series has tried to do.
And yet just like blended, regardless of like typography, and I think that that could have been a cool thing to do. So I like, I like Michael B. Jordan as a kind of Gondor's prince. The only thing they do to not, what you just said, is literally like, I think the Gondor men have darker hair. That's good. And Rohan usually has like a lighter hair.
And it's like, okay. And then you get, you get the only ethnic looking folks in the, uh, in the film franchise are the men from, uh, the, the Harajuku, yeah, from the South, uh, and you, and you get the, yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So I have two Boromirs. Um, the first one is Gabriel Mach. He plays, uh, he's in, he's Harvey from Suits.
I don't know if y'all have seen Suits. Um. Dude. He'd be, he'd be interesting. Cause. In that role, he's very much the, like, always right, but the more you get to know him, the more you like him, and he has these human like moments. He'd come off as strong in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, always right.
He never loses type of, type of character. So, he'd be really good. This is also a little bit different for Boromir, uh, somebody mentioned earlier, but, uh, Pedro Pascal. All right. I feel like he does a good job of being. Um, the, how do you say it, um, like a character that kind of lost his way a little bit.
Disgruntled, almost. Yeah. Character, is that what you're saying? Yeah. The show that I know him the best from is, is Narcos. Okay. And he's very much the, like, he's a good guy. But he's a good guy with some baggage. And so, I feel like, I feel like he would play that role really, really well. What if he played Aragorn?
He could. I think he'd be a decent Aragorn. He's got the beard for it. Yeah. I think he'd be, I think he'd be good. Um. I love him in that, uh, Nick Cage film, The Unbearable Weight of Mr. Talent. That movie's so freaking good. Um. And then, so, Elrond would be, uh, Benedict Cumberbatch. Yes! Just, just as a, and, and how I get there is, there's, I've also seen 1917.
Yes. The World War I maybe. Yeah, he is, he's a captain. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. At the very, very end. Yep. He has a very serious, like, moment of frustration where he is kind of like, when will this war ever end? Mm-hmm . But it's, but it's a very deep like mm-hmm . Human condition, human nature type moment. Um, that makes me think that.
He would be great. That'd be really good. Um, I mean it's just kind of fun to think about. All of our Elrond's have actually been good. I wonder if that means that either the character is just so up for interpretation or like Hugo, as good as he was. Oddly, I mean he was good. Yeah. In a way, might be a hot take.
I think he was one of the weakest cast. Picks interesting because he's also coming off the matrix as mr. Smith and that's what people know him from and you're like, well, that guy was a bad dude And now he's he actually he he feels very American Middle earth the middle earth feels more like British. Yes Tolkien.
Yeah, and so Hugo I know he's British, but I'm like this dude feels like he's from like the Midwest. Yeah He's a different kind of guy. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he kind of is a little bit off, to be honest. Don't catch me saying that I think he was a bad pick for the film he did, Bad Job. But, no. But if you had to pick who is the worst cast person, maybe, maybe I'll run.
Yeah. Okay. I'm with you there. Okay. And this last one, he's not an actor, but it makes all the sense in the world. Okay. For Legolas, would be, uh, Steph Curry. He just doesn't miss, man. He just literally doesn't miss. And like. I actually think He's your sub shooter. He's your guy. I actually think you'd like that.
Hey, is Draymond Gimlin? Honestly, honestly, kind of, that wouldn't be the worst thing. That wouldn't be the worst, yeah. That's, that's hilarious. Um, so, that, that's who I had. That's a good list. I love it. Okay, real quick, uh, is this film better with, and I picked three Probably the three most prominent 90s early 2000s actors.
Okay. Tom Hanks, Russell Crowe, or Julia Roberts. Is this film better, you pick the role that they're in, Is it better or worse with one of them in one of the roles? If you can suspend the recasting a little bit. Because I think we'd all say no, but I don't think so. I think Julia Roberts At the time could have played Arwin.
Hmm. Oh, I was thinking more Glad Drill. Mm-hmm . I just, I don't think she, she has more of like a young, a young youthful beauty than I think Arwin depicted where gala is kinda the more Arwin it's second movie, obviously. Uh, no, no, I think it's glad or, or it's, it's Arwin or bust for Julia. Yeah. Uh, but I don't think she fits.
She's not very elfish. I'm gonna be honest. I can't see any role. I can't see for Julia Roberts. Uh, Russell Crowe, the Maybe Aragorn, she could play Uh, maybe Julia makes the cameo as Rosie Cotton in the beginning. That's literally what I was gonna say! The bartender, yeah, yeah. Um, Russell Crowe, I think Maybe as Boromir.
Hmm. Yes. And yet I think Sean Bean is still a better pick. Yeah, I think you're right. But Russell Crowe, just that rugged kind of like intensity. I'm channeling everything Gladiator from that. Yeah. Yeah. Just ripped, bad a, like, warrior. He would actually be pretty good in that. He would have been a decent pick there, but I think Sean Bean's still better.
Okay. Because Sean Bean feels a little bit more, uh, prone to choose evil. Yeah. Russell Crowe feels like a hero. Yeah. At least at that time, in that age. Yeah. He was a hero in every film he's ever in. He's played some villain roles like in recent history. Yeah. That unhinged movie where he's like a deranged man.
Uh, I don't see a role for Tom Hanks. I don't see, okay, that's mine. I'm gonna pick. Okay. Cause there's actually only one role if you put enough makeup on him. Again, not as good as the original. Are you gonna play Gandalf? I think you can play Gandalf. Mmm. I can see it. He's got the wisdom. He's got, if he could talk a little bit slower and kind of get away isms.
I'm gonna change it. He could be Gandalf. He could be Gandalf. With enough makeup, he could be Gandalf. I think there's a character for Tom Hanks and it's not in the movie and it's Tom Bombadil. Okay. Ooh, I don't Bilbo. He would ruin that. I think he could play Bilbo. Bilbo, he could be Bilbo. He could have been a fun Bilbo.
He could have. All of these characters are far too famous to have been in the original have been good. They would have carried too much expectation and Tom Hanks was Sauron in the prologue? You know, I actually, I did some deep dive on this. Maybe we'll get to it later. I don't know. The guy that voiced Sauron is like this, like, random, like, amazing stage actor.
But there's several moments where his voiceovers are, like, really perfect. And, like, his voice is really ominous. What was that noise? I have no idea. That was weird. Anyway, I don't think this movie is better with either three. Yeah. But if you had to pick, and the only one is Russell Crowe's Boromir. Yeah, I, they don't, they actually make the movie worse.
Which is rare in the early 2000s to say about any of these. Oh yeah, because you get any of them in a movie in the early 2000s and it's gold. Money, right? Yeah. Okay, this is the last segment of this part before we take a break. I think it's probably one of our favorites. It's the most redemptive moment of the film.
You kind of hinted at it earlier. You want to take it away first? So, what I said earlier is, is, is when Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli, they, one, they, they let Frodo and Sam go. So they don't, they don't chase after them. Um, but you, you, you can tell that they're, you can just see that their purpose has changed and just, they're accepting that their purpose has changed and that, like, the main thing that needs to happen is, is this ring needs to get destroyed.
Yeah. Okay. But that's not our fight anymore. Our fight is we need to go get Marianne Pippen. We need to go hunt some work. I think that's so cool because it shows that you don't have to be the hero to like play your part and to have purpose and to be important. And I think that that's really, really, really, really fun to see because it's like, dude, just play your role.
You don't need to be the hero. You don't need to be the hero. Play your role and, and it'll work out. So I think, I think that's really redemptive. And I think you said it. It was really helpful. Oh, dude. Or hopeful. Moment at the end where you're like, this is what has happened. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm excited to go see them, hunt some work and dude, look for Maria Pippen.
Now I, before you go, 'cause mine is so short, I, I can't say anything better than what you just said. Mine's the exact same moment. Yeah. Okay. Because of maybe in a meta way, like what it actually does for the film, but also the idea, what you were talking about earlier, how hard it is to be like, okay, I know for, especially for like airborne.
I know I'm supposed to like, help the ring, and like, Gandalf died, and like, yet, I am wise enough to realize that, though I'm maybe not doing the most important thing, quote unquote, I still have a role to play, and there's still people that I can actually help. And I'm going to do it, even though I'm very tired and one of my really good friends, travel partners, died.
I'm going to go. We're going to do it. Hey, let's rally, and he rallies the troops. Oh dude, yeah. He does rally the troops. He buys everybody back in. He rallies, like Gimli's like, I'm out. And even before the fighting scene, obviously a lot happens, but like, you can tell Gimli's kind of frustrated with him because Aragorn's like, you might want to recover your strength.
Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. He's like, come on man. And so even just to be like, hey, I'm the leader. I'm still the leader, but we're changing our trajectory to go after this. Honestly, like a role, but not the hero anymore. Like, we're new to the role. I think it's so amazing. And I think it's such a human condition moment.
I'd go after the ring. We all want to be the star. Yeah, Legolas is like immortal and he's like, Let's get the boat. He's starting to get the boat ready. He's like, we can still catch him if we hurry. Yeah. That boat would hold Henry Cavill. So this, this scene is on my list. Um, but it's specifically Aragorn putting on Boromir's arm braces.
Oh, okay. So this is Like, that moment really is, I think, the most redemptive. Every part of it. I thought you were gonna say One of us was gonna say Boromir. Boromir's Boromir's repentance So my list actually went number one, Boromir's repentance. There it is. At Aragorn putting on Boromir's braces. So it's all around Boromir, actually.
I think he's the most redemptive character in the film. At least this one. Because of his, like, just character. But the moment I'm gonna choose is actually a little bit preceding all of this. You get a scene, I'm gonna start playing it, um, they're in Lothlórien, and Boromir is having a moment. Aragorn comes up, tells him to take a rest.
I heard a voice inside my head. She spoke of my father and the fall of Gondor. She said to me, even now there is hope left. I cannot see it. It is long since we had any hope. It makes you feel like this dude, he just wants to help his, he wants to help his people. You can feel it. He's also the, he's the leader.
I mean, he even says that whenever he does attack Frodo later, he's like, I just want the power to help my people. To help my people. Come on. Why are you? Come on, bro. He recognizes his father struggling as the steward of Gondor. All the bitterness of, like, also, like, we've defended these lands for, like, the last 700 years.
Yeah, we've been on the front. Where have y'all been? Yeah, it's like, we've been really, we've been holding Sauron at bay. We know him. Like, we need to do this. Yeah, you guys are all in the Shire doing nothing. Yeah, yeah. We've been doing this. Gardening. Yeah. Gardening. But, it's this where he starts talking about Gondor, and just, you get a, you get a sense of like, I thought this guy was bad bad, he's a problem, but it's, you, you begin to see like his heart here, of like, he genuinely just cares about his people, he's trying to do the right thing.
Um, he's coming up here in a second though.
Our paths will lead us there, and the Tower Guard shall take up the call. The Lords of Gondor have returned. I think that moment right there, he starts saying like, it's been a long time since I've had hope, and then just something about sitting with Aragorn, it's really there first that we get a sense of them having a good conversation, at least in the films, and something about getting to sit with Aragorn.
gives him hope of getting to go back home. Yeah. And I think we miss it maybe in the films a little bit, but there's something of like, actually, this is the son of the steward of Gondor who's been sitting on the throne waiting for the king to return. And you get Boromir sitting with the rightful heir of the throne.
And he gets him a little weird kick of hope. Yeah. And I think that even though he will have his moment where he, he goes after the ring and he, he assaults Frodo trying to take the ring. Um, you see a little bit of his, his motive, but there's a little redemptive like hint of something good will come from Boromir, uh, in that moment.
And I, I, I like that scene. And at this like, weird hopeless moment, Gandalf just died, they're in Lothlorien, Boromir and Aragorn actually get their like, heart to heart moment, and it tees up a good future for them, so. But. Is that in the Extendeds? Uh, no, that's, that's, that's, that's uh, you get, you get more of that moment actually, and like, more Boromir and Aragorn content in the Extendeds, but that's, that's uh, straight up the Astro Cut.
Wow. Yeah, that's a cool moment. Yeah, even the idea of. Not being, I mean, he shows some bitter, bitterness and jealousy towards the rightful king who's been hiding away, as he thinks. Yeah. But just to even be like It's intended for their, their relationship, even though he does have that moment with Frodo at the end, you kind of see it culminate of like, Hey, we're still brothers.
Like, yeah, I believe in you. Yeah. And that begins to even accept him as a Gondorian. Like he, like you're actually, you do belong with our people. Like the Lords of Gondor have returned. Yeah. Really cool. It's kind of cool. Yeah. All right. We've got some really fun segments coming up, uh, including which piece of memorabilia are you collecting from this film?
I have a lot of those to be honest, but before we get to those, let's take a quick break.
All right. Welcome back to rewatching Lord of the Rings. We're in our final segment where we're honestly going to probably have some of the most ridiculous segments. It's going to be the fun part. The fun part, right? We've been getting off course. We got a little bit there. Eddie, maybe we should have put this part of the beginning.
Who knows we're figuring it out, but. There's some great questions in here. Okay, the opening one, what is one product placement that would make sense in Middle Earth, specifically in this movie? And the reason we asked this, I think it stemmed from like, Transformers was like the first movie I remember being like, Oh, product placement.
Yeah. There it is. Or like the Avengers films. You always see like some company paid Buku's so much money for that billboard to get destroyed, right? But you read Geico or something. It's like, could you actually do that in Lord of the Rings in a way that wouldn't be like a super stretch? You said that it's possible.
I think it's possible. You want me to start? I'm gonna let you start. I got two. Okay. Let's start with this one. The pass where they're going over Cara Dress and they're in the snow. Mmm. I love that scene. One of my favorite little small moments, like small little details is everybody else is really struggling like wading through snow and Legolas is just walking on top of it because he's so light footed because he's an elf.
Yeah. But I imagine them being really cold and somehow looking back And Gandalf's just like handing out hot hands. That's funny. It's a state war. He's got some sort of weird wizard magic where he can give him little But it says hot hands. Shake this and it says hot hands on it. Or it'd be labeled a little bit differently.
It's very clear what it is. My other one is, it's a similar one and this would be like probably Legolas like handing out some like gift of the elves. It's like a kind of on track with Limbus Bread. Um, or maybe they get it in Lothlorien. But, hey, I've been running around a lot, like. Somebody in the group's gotta be chafing, probably saying the thicc boi.
And, somebody passing out, them just standing in a circle and doing a gold bond circle. It's a male bonding. This movie's all about male bonding and male friendship. And, and just nothing like standing around in a circle with some Gold Bond, and making sure that you're not chafing. Yeah, y'all been running around.
We're doing a lot of walking out here. Yeah. Gold Bond finds a way into the film in some way. So yours are even more of a stretch than mine. These are big stretches. I was like, ones that you would maybe not even see on first viewing. Like, it's subtle. Mine are not subtle. Mine are not subtle. You're subtle.
Here we go. You have, you have one? I have one. I think one as well. I think I mentioned it in our, like, our planning meeting, but, um, Birkenstocks, because In what way? Because the Absolutely. For the hobbits? Absolutely, yeah. For the hobbits, because, um, I mean, obviously, they're barefoot the whole time. Yeah. And so, it would be like a way to signify, okay, we're actually going on a journey here, and we're not in the shire anymore.
Yeah, we're going to need a little protection. We should wear some shoes. What's funny, I've, that would actually be pretty symbolic. It would be. It would be. It would be funny. They're going into Morya and they top, they put on their Birkenstocks. Oh yeah. I've dressed up as a Hobbit several times for Halloween and I always go Chacos.
Oh, and that would make, that would a lot of sense too. Chacos or Birkenstocks is some sort of like hobbity footwear fits. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's actually very interesting. Okay. Mine are so discreet. Uh, I don't want, I almost don't want you to notice them. Okay. And there's two. I'll do chronological order. I think that whenever, uh, there's a scene where they're opening one of Bilbo's books, I think you could have moleskin at the very bottom.
Very discreet. So that's good. And it almost could be like half in the screen, but you see it on the fold and it's like moleskin. Okay. I get it. The other one, this one, this one I'm actually really proud of, to be honest. And it would play ball when Sam is in Moria and he's killing the goblins with a cast iron.
You do like a Yeti cast iron that it's not a sticker, it's like almost engraved in there so the shadow would catch like, bing, Yeti. I like that. And I'm like, dude, yes, that would play ball 100%. Those two I think, I was trying to think like, what's products they actually use? The only other one that would be kind of fun is when they're in the Prancing Pony.
In Bree. No, no. Prince, yeah. Prince Barton in Bree. Um, and you get, that guy ain't done nothing but stare at you since the moment we walked in. And you get a look over at Aragorn, who's behind him is a glowing Dos Equis sign. Because he's the most interesting man in the world. It's very, it's very like blurred out.
Yeah, yeah. But just some sort of like modern beer company. Yeah, just some neon. That's actually, that's a really good one. That would be awesome. I also thought of, is there a way? Whenever Galadriel's, like, handing out gifts, does she, like Because they're giving limbus, but they also hand out like an AG1 like the green drink Yeah, but it had the labeling that's like the labeling what you have to know like it has to be really subtle They say it like I was like AG1 or something like that.
It's like Yeah Drink this and it'll be enough to live for four days Or a grown man Yeah, I don't think Middle earth, hopefully we'll never have a product placement, but although the way that content's going maybe they will in the future Okay, what else you got for us? I think the next segment I have probably 20 on this list Wow, and I won't read all of them But which piece of memorabilia are you collecting from this film for your man cave for your garage?
Whatever? Yeah, and Ted you actually have I've got one good piece of memorabilia already authentic, but it's it's a replica It doesn't glow it's official like Lord of the Rings Like, official merchandise stamps. Um, I have a replica of Sting. That's awesome. It's got a really cool leather scabbard. It's got the sweet, like, engraving, like, loop in the middle.
It's, and like, a cool wooden handle. It's, it's awesome. Yeah, yeah. It's probably one of my favorite, like, pieces of memorabilia. Did you buy it there? No, I didn't. Um, actually, I have one other piece of, it's, I guess you'd call it memorabilia. But it's, it's probably, it looks a little more modern. But when we were in, um, the Shire, I bought, like, a, um, Like a big, uh, bottle of, of, I forget the name, like which beer it was, but, uh, one of the beers.
Yeah. From the Green Dragon. From the Green Dragon. And I've kept the bottle and it's really cool. And that, that's like, I've got it on my bookshelf with all my Lord of the Rings, uh, books and, and fan memorabilia stuff and stings up there on my top shelf. Yeah. Alright, well, you can't pick that one for the, uh, Yeah, I've got others.
I have probably one that I'm like, this is the most unique. And then I probably have three honorable mentions. Um, How do we want to do this? Just want to say read them off, dude. Go for it. Okay, give us like your top five. Yeah, top five. Yeah. Okay. Uh, i'll leave the best for last so top five are gandalf's pipe.
Yeah, I think we probably on my list too Yeah, this one is close to being my number one, but there's something I think that beats it Uh, the no admittance except on party business banner. Like, the real one from the film. I want it. That's a great pick. That's a good one. That's my, probably my number two.
Funny. My number two. Um,
I don't know where I'd put this one. I'd have to have a bigger man cave. I said, a cave troll that had turned to stone. Oh, man. That's When, you know, they're looking for the Athalas in the, in the, whatever. Look, it's Bilbo's Trolls. Yeah, and it's like I want that. That's another good moment of Bilbo when he's telling the story to the little kids at his party.
Yeah, yeah. Turn them all to stone. Um, Such a good film. I feel like this is one that might show up in here, uh, I don't know what number I'm at. Mithril Coat? The Mithril Coat's pretty cool. Yeah. It's not on my list, but that's a good one. I don't know what I would use it for. Nah. I mean, I don't get stabbed. I gotta wear that around.
Yeah, whatever. This one's and then I'll get to my final one. This one's a little um, a stretch I would say there's a book that Saruman is opening up with all these drawings that presumably he made and he shows a Balrog But I it's just like the drawings of Khazad dum. I want that book It's all like his lore of like what happened.
I'd be a sick book my number one Is the prancing pony sign. That's pretty cool. Give me, that's good. That sign. That would be cool. That's a good one. I'm putting that in my, in your eyes. It's authentic. Like it's there and it's gonna, I'm gonna put it, I'm not gonna put it on the wall. I'm gonna put it in where it can kind of hang and swing like it does in the movie.
That's my number one. I mean, I'd build a business around that. I open a bar called The Prancing. The prancing Pony dude. Yeah. That's amazing. I mean, yeah. That's a good, you got good picks. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, mine are smaller. Again, those pipes on there. I started smoking pipe tobacco because of Lord of the Rings.
Yeah, as soon as I turned 18. Which we're gonna do after this podcast. Now I guess it's 21, but, but, but upon turning 18, I immediately went and bought a tobacco pipe and tried to learn how to smoke pipe tobacco because of Lord of the Rings. But my, like two other ones that I would pick. Uh, one small, and it, it gets a little more attention in one of the later films, but you see it in the first, but Aragorn's ring.
It's got a cool, like, big emerald stone in it, and the serpents. Um, I want, like, the literal one Viggo Mortensen wore in the film. That would be the piece of memorabilia that I would pay a lot of money for. I think it'd be so cool just to have that. Um, and then the other would be like, just imagine the one from the film sitting on your bookshelf, Sauron's head, when it, when it, when it falls, that giant metal crown.
That's a good one. In the prologue. That's funny. But just that helmet sitting on your shelf would be sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I imagine it's huge. Oh yeah. But that, the head of Sauron. Yeah. That's a great one. Yeah. I'm sorry. That's very good. That's pretty good. Okay. Hunter? Top of the list for me would probably be something from Bag End.
So, like, when Gandalf is walking around and Bilbo's, like, Off trying to find something for them to eat and he looks at the table and there's, you know, map of the Lonely Mountain and his actual story there. I think that would be really, that would be really fun. Um, the chandelier, maybe that, yeah, that he puts his head on.
Yeah, yeah. I think, or even like the mantle. Like, just, if you could get that mantle and then mount it in your house over a fireplace, that'd be cool. Yeah, I think, I think that would be awesome. Um, and then I would want. Uh, the, the chairs from the Council of Elrond to be like. Yeah, you would. The chairs, like, around the table.
Like, sitting under the table. Like, uh. Like, the throne that Elrond sits on. That way, yeah, yeah. But, like, the stone table in the very middle that's perfectly there for them to put the ring on. Yeah, to put the ring on. I think, I think those, those are the ones where I'm like, okay, that would be, that would be pretty cool.
Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, yeah. Those are great ones. I love those. And there's tons more. So many. There's so many little pieces of memorabilia in this one. Okay. Which, what are, what were these characters like in high school and they should be whatever characters you want these to be. Probably the main ones. We talked about the main ones.
Gandalf, Frodo, the hobbits. I mean, uh, Legolas, Gimli, Aragorn. Like, what were they like in high school? This could, this could be a whole episode in and of itself. So like, let's A hundred percent. So maybe, the short of it. The short of it, yeah. I mean, Boromir's a jock. Yeah, a hundred percent. He's captain of the football team.
Football team. He's quarterback. QB1, whose dad owns a really successful company, and he's struggling to figure out where he fits in all of it. Should I go to college? Yeah. Should I help my dad run his company? He kind of maybe resents his dad, but you're not sure. He got a scholarship, but he's like, I'm not sure if I can go because my dad wants me to work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dealing with the weight of that. Mary and Pippin are like the kids that are on the end of the bench on the basketball team. Who are just goofing the whole time. Goofing the whole time, but then the game is, the game is really out of hand. And so they get to go in, and then when they go in, everyone's cheering for them.
And they know that like, they have to score. Yeah. And then they, they do, and then everyone goes nuts. Yeah. And they don't, everyone doesn't think about The, the, the massive win, they think about how Mary and Pippen got into the game and scored. Interesting. Yeah. So, Aragorn, I think, relates to Boromir in that, I think Boromir is the guy who wins homecoming and is the quarterback and all that stuff.
Yeah. But, when they were in like fifth grade, Aragorn was like, I'm gonna choose music over sports. And so, he chose music, but the whole school knows that like, Aragorn's actually the coolest dude and like, Boromir, their relationship, you know, splintered and he would never actually like, Try to challenge Aragorn, but Aragorn's not even gonna challenge him, but everyone's like we all know who actually the dude is here Yeah, right, but it's the homecoming King Boromir.
Legolas is like the captain of the cross country team Yeah, Oh 100 percent like yeah, who later in life becomes like a start a tech startup who like runs an amazing company, right? Oh, yeah, very successful. He was kind of a little awkward in high school. He's still friends with uh, with Gimli who is like the Football center, short, stocky.
They were in like a science class together. You wouldn't guess that they're friends, but they're like bros the rest of their life. Yeah. I think that Frodo is, was the drama kid. But the drama kid that like was still friends kind of with everyone. But he was like, he wasn't super popular, but everyone was like, dude, he's a nice guy.
That guy was so nice. Sam's the kind of awkward friend that's like just you realize like that's like a true friend because he's loyal Yeah, but like kind of weird not weird, but like awkward or maybe like not cool. It's like Jonah Hill in
There's so much loyalty like man like that's That's the friend I really need. What is Gandalf? Is he a superintendent? Is he a principal? He's Robin Williams in, uh, Okay, yeah. Dead Poets Society. He's that teacher. And him and Aragorn just have long dogs. Inspirational. We're gonna skip the which character would you like to accompany you in these activities because Uh, they're ridiculous, and so we're going to move on from those.
We're going to move into who won this film, which is a great question. Can I do one of them? Which one do the first one? Okay, okay. So, which character would you like to accompany you with in these activities? Haggling with a car salesman. Alright, you wouldn't guess this one. Yeah. Gimli. Isildur. Hmm. Very, in the prologue.
Hugo, we, uh, Elrond's like, CASTLE IN THE FIRE, and he just turns around, no, no. Okay. TAKE THE DEAL. TAKE IT. DO IT. BUY THIS CAR. No. Okay. Okay. I don't know, I don't know. Hunter, do you want to take the second one? Uh, the telling your significant other that cooking is bad. Who do you want with you? I would say, I would say Legolas because you know that there would be no, no malice in it.
Yeah, you're like. But HairGone has to say this. Although he doesn't tell her her soup's bad in the second film. Oh, really? That's gonna be a good question for the next one. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get into those next time. I thought this car salesman one was funny. I put Galadriel because she's getting the price she wants.
She's gonna do that. She just walks up and she's like, You will sell me this car for five dollars. She's in the car salesman head. She's like, I've seen her future. Do we need to go to the mirror? The, you had on here, starting a business with? Legolas. I, I, another, another side character. I love Mary Butterworth dude.
That's funny in a in in Brie the bartender. That's I have him He's like I have you should have him in something later. All right, cuz he he's a good character kills that role He doesn't let's move on. Okay, who won this film? Up for interpretation for what that actually means, but who won this film? Man, we, we mentioned him earlier, Orlando Bloom, yeah, I think won this film.
Here, I did some research on it, he earned 175, 000 for his role, which, that's a lot of money, let's be fair. But like, probably one of the lowest paid actors for like a main role, like in the fellowship, for the film. And yet, his, now, cause this, he, he, it, this snowballed for him into a career with Pirates. Um, several other films.
His net worth now is estimated at around like 40 million. So, he's done very well for himself and this is his kind of debut moment. One, if you hear him talk about the experience. Um, I have listened to him on several podcasts. He talks about it as like, I just had so much fun. Yeah. Like he was having a blast.
It sounded like everybody. They loved being a part of the film. Yeah. They were all reading the books the whole time. They're hanging out with each other. They've got great friendships. Drinking. Yeah. They're hanging out in New Zealand together, filming these films. It's amazing. And yet, he snowballed that into an outrageously successful career.
Mm hmm. You're, you're kind of like early 2000s hottie actor, like, like hot male actor. He, he crushed it. He won. And for having almost no lines in the film to be still seen as like one of the main characters and getting to do cool stunts. Yeah, he won. He won this film. Well, we know how Tad's. Define success.
It's all monetary. It's entirely monetary. How do you define who won this film? And who is it? I'm going to be honest. I would have said Orlando Bloom as well. Um, just because of literally what I did for him. Um, I think, Hmm. If I have to choose somebody besides Orlando Bloom. Was that yours? Yeah, it really truly was.
I have a different one. Okay. Well, you go. No, no, no, you go. Unless you want to think about yours and say another one. Uh, no, you go. I'll think about it. Yeah. Okay. So, it's a tricky question. Because how do you define who won this? And I'm, I'm putting it as if I was this person and I would want this thing to happen.
So, Christopher Lee. Read The Hobbit, or read The Lord of the Rings every year, I think since he was 21. Met Professor Tolkien, only cast member to meet him. You gotta think he's an actor and in his mind he's like, I want, if they ever make Lord of the Rings films, I gotta make them. I want to be in there to get the role.
He probably thought he might have been Gandalf. That's maybe the way he went. Apparently he said that he wanted to be. He thought he should have been. Like to, said that to Ian McCullough. What's crazy is he's perfect as Saruman. He's so good. And to be like, I think he's one of the best actors in the film, and he acted Saruman so perfectly.
Here's, here's what's crazy. I think, uh, that has to be the most fulfilling thing for him, to be able to be in those films. I also think there were times where, he actually probably challenged Peter Jackson, cause he knew the content better. Which is great. I think that's missing from some of the new Lord of the Rings content, there's not an actor who respects Tolkien enough to be like, your vision's wrong, actually.
Like, that's not what Tolkien would have wanted. He knew Tolkien through and through. That has to be the most, like, fulfilling, lifelong thing to be like, oh my gosh, these stories that I've been reading my entire life, I get to actually be a part of. So I think. You know, I don't know how much money he made from it, Tad, but like, I looked it up.
I think he, which is why I would say Peter Jackson actually may be one of them is that he got someone as perfect as Christopher Lee for only 250k. That is crazy. And Christopher Lee from this went on to be in Star Wars and probably made so much money for his grandkids, for his kids, like, he was Count Dooku.
That's right, he was Dooku. I love that. He kinda had a little reprise at the end of his career. Sure. And he got to be in a movie that, from a book that he had read his entire life. Yeah. What more? What more do you want? That's gotta be cool. What more do you want? Yeah. I like Chris Lee as the winner on this.
Here's a question. That could influence my answer. Okay. Was, when did, when did, uh, Ian, what's his last name? McKellen. McKellen. When did he become Sir Ian McKellen? I think prior to this. Oh, was it? I could, I could be wrong. I think it was probably after, if I had to guess. Okay. Although X Men, he was, I mean. I was gonna say, if he was If this was one of the reasons he was knighted, that would be pretty sweet.
That actually is cool. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's real, but I love a culture that knights people. I wish there was a Jackson in America. Is there an equivalent? Uh, 91 for his services to the performing arts in 1991. Okay, we don't have we don't have an equivalent of knighting in America.
It'd be awesome. Like the hollywood walk is just for actors No, it's not like a Like that you get to add sir to the front of your name. Yeah as your distinguishing title That would be that would be crazy. That is cool. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Those are good. Okay nitpicks pet peeves Ted I know you have a lot. I got one.
I have a voice memo for this one even yeah You go first thing you've already got your phone hooked up. Okay, this is the very beginning of the film. Okay, and uh, it's It actually took me a long time to find this clip, because it wasn't really Accessible anywhere on YouTube. I'll explain what my pet peeve is after.
For the time will soon come, when hobbits, will shape the fortunes of all. Love can't blanch it. I think she killed the mon the, the prologue, the voiceover, all this stuff. Fortunes? Oh, yeah. It's fortunes. Yeah. You gotta think the guy who's recording this. Even in the way that they pronounce it? I'm like, but everything else is normal, and she goes, The fortunes.
Well, the hobbits will shape the fortunes of all. And I'm like, it's the fortunes of all. And, you gotta know that the guy in the booth probably wasn't Peter Jackson recording this. And, you know, Kate just keeps saying fortunes, and he's like, Oh, yeah. Do I say something to one of the greatest actresses alive or do I'm just like, no, you know what we get to the point where we can't record a vocal late and it's like, Hey, Peter, all we have is four tunes.
And so that, I don't know why it's like, it's cool, but I honestly. First time I heard, I don't even know if I thought she was saying fortunes. I thought it was like four tunes. I'm like, what? I don't even know what, what does that mean? Four of 'em let's my pet pee. I love this answer because it's a nitpick.
It's so, yeah. It's, it's so nit, yeah's such a nitpick. Most people won't even recognize that. I never thought that in my mind. It really, it, yeah. That, that makes for a good answer because it's so nitpicky. Yeah. Okay. Who else? Um, I got one. I gotta show you guys the scene. 'cause this, this is, this is like.
This scene makes me so both confused and pissed off. Okay. Um, watch this with me. Uh, it's after Farmer Maggot. They fall down the hill. That was a nice one, Sam. I think we should get off the road. Get off
the road! Get off the road! Quick! I yell that at my kids all the time. Get off the road! Quick! Alright, watch this, watch this, watch this. You might think I'm gonna say I'm mad that the Nazgul clearly doesn't see them whenever he leans over the ledge, but it's actually this. Hear horse stepping. Horse, where is he on that side of the tree?
Where in the world did this horse emerge from? I'm gonna back up. Whoa, whoa! Like, okay, you should see him coming on that side of the tree. Okay. It doesn't look like he's coming at an angle. The rope was going parallel. Yeah. You should be able to see the horse come up on the right side of that tree before this.
Do you think it's a separate shot? I think it is. It's a green screen separate shot? I think so because they're trying to get the size right for the hobbits down there. It's exactly what it is, yeah. And the horse to look enormous. But it, it. I've not, like, since the first time I saw this movie, or I guess maybe the second, like, because you're not really paying attention the first time, I have thought this for years, like, where in the world, like, did, did it just emerge out of thin air?
Now I can't unsee it, Ted. You'll never unsee it past that. Now I'm scared of this segment. That is the most nitpicky pet peeve of that. That is like one of the I think they just messed up in the cut. No, no. Well, they did, but they also were like, Dude, people are going to be looking at the hobbits. Yeah, they're looking down there, and it like, realistically like, They're pumping something out, and they missed that in the editing, in the editing room.
I think, so I saw that, when I watched it recently. And noticed it, and I was like, I don't know, I think they wanted that to be there. Maybe they wanted it like, that's when I watched it, I felt like they were like, But you hear the footsteps. But they're a phantom. I don't get it. But it's a phantom almost, like you don't, But they're tangible, like they're tangible.
Yeah, there's no other, There's no reason. There's no other scene where they seem to have that ability. Pet peeve, also. It's leaning over the ledge. Their legs are clearly there and it's Smelling them. Smelling for them and you get weird lizards and then You wouldn't go like Also, pet peeve of that scene entirely is the weird face that Frodo makes when he's It just looks odd, but It's so But anyway, that scene entirely makes me feel weird, but the thing that really pisses me off, it's a total nitpick pet peeve.
Is where was the horse on the right side of the tree? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. That's yours. Okay. Um, and y'all may know something that answers this question, but where does Legolas get all of the arrows? That is a good question. Like, is it just an elf thing that he just has? I'm not gonna lie to bother me.
That used to bother me. When I first saw this film, like, uh, my brother in law told me, he was actually, before I'd even seen the movie, he's explaining the film to me, and he's describing his favorite character as Legolas. And said like, because he's an elf, he has unlimited arrows in his quiver. Yeah, that used to be, yeah.
And I thought that that was just like an elf quality. It's not, it's totally not. He has to, in the book he goes and collects arrows. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, you don't. But in the film you never see that. Yeah, you never see that. It's like the movies where they never reload. Yeah. Yeah. That's lame. It was that version of that.
He never had to make new arrows, he never had to buy them. It kind of adds to the character too. He's an elf, like, you know. Yeah. Limitless arrows. Somebody does. That is a pet peeve. Okay. I'm realizing most of mine are, uh, dialogue, but there's a moment when, uh, Frodo and Sam are traveling. It's kind of early in their travels from the Shire.
And Sam's like, Oh, I can't sleep, Mr. Frodo. And Elijah Wood, as Frodo says, he says, me neither, Sam, me neither. And the way he says it, it makes me want to punch a wall. It's neither. It's literally spelled neither, and I know British people don't say neither. British? They don't? But the way he says it, it's like, ah, dude, I'm like, why'd you take that line?
Like, you should have taken another take. But, no, no, no, no, I mean, I think you're wrong on this one. That's neither here nor there. That's a phrase we say in English, in American English, neither here nor there. But, but, Do you say neither here nor there? But he's not saying, in that phrasing, you say it, but he's saying me neither.
You don't say me neither. You say Me neither. Me neither. Yeah. Yeah. Me neither. Me neither. Yeah. Me neither. I don't know. I don't know which one I say that one is. That one is say me neither. Interesting. Me neither. I actually, one of the guys I work with says that in a lot of my writings, I, I tend to, he asked me a while back, he's like, do you read a lot of British literature
And I was like, yeah, I guess I, I sure I actually do. And he is like. You, you, uh, I've noticed several of the words in some of your writings that you, uh, you use the British spelling of it. And I'm like, I'm not even thinking that. That's not a conscious choice. It's just, I thought that's how you spelled it.
He's like, I've been reading Tolkien. I've been reading a lot of Tolkien. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, me neither. You put the U in Carly a lot. Yeah. I also have, the writer didn't look down what you just talked about. Yeah. Yeah. I have, I have a lot. Which one? No, you keep going. Okay, the horse could have made the jump onto the ferry.
Dude, that's good, yeah. If the hobbits could make that jump. But again, they're afraid of water. They are. We don't know that. They are. They're showing us that. But they can make that jump. If freaking them on their feet can make that jump, and it gets there pretty soon. It's making that yeah, but why would it jump on there?
Like what? What does it have to gain the horse the horse it clears the jump, but it falls off the edge It does it's not able to slow down in time. It makes the lead and it runs That are illogical. Okay, they're Supposed to be logical you gonna made that jump. Okay, wait, so feedback enough of that. So what is it called?
Buckleberry Ferry? Yeah, so do they not have time to get there before the ferry does? Like, am I just missing something? Like on horseback, could they have gotten to Bree before? Before the ferry. That's going pretty slow. No. For 20 miles. It's a great question. Who knows where the river crossing was? Yeah, the river crossing is 20 miles away.
Yeah. Yeah. Where's the nearest river crossing is miles away. Buckleberry Ferry 20 miles. Yeah. But the ferry is literally right there. Like to Bree. Like you can see it. You can see it. There on the other side of the river from Bree. Gotcha. The nearest. That's why they have that time. The next nearest river crossing is Buckleberry Ferry.
That makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Because I was like, are we? Yeah, I just got confused. I was like, surely they can get there before the ferry came. Yeah. You got, I have more. No, you go ahead. You have no more? I, I, I, I'll think of some. I mean, I, a big one. I think we've talked about it, but Sauron reaching down for Isildur at the very, in the prologue, and he cuts it off.
It's like, I think they could have depicted that scene better. It feels dramatic and then he's vulnerable. He's down there and it's like, why? I think he's probably going to grab his Is he going for, I mean, crush that dude with a mace. Like, you're standing over him. Bash his brains in, Saran, but instead he chooses to slowly reach down for him and it gives him a chance to cut his hand off.
Here's the parallel. I think the Ringwraith grabs AoM by the neck in the third movie. Yeah, you're right, yeah. I think that's a It's like, they're like, Oh, they're, they're vulnerable. They're whatever he's I'm going for the kill. Yeah, I'm going for the, whatever I've just, I have one and it's also his most vulnerable at the same time.
So I think that was kind of the angle there. Interesting. If destroying the ring, is that important? Elrond send some arrows into his shoulders back. Yeah, you're right. If people are like, what happened? I'm like, destroy. He actually fell in, but the ring is destroyed. I literally took him to the place, but the ring is destroyed.
If it's that important. And you're kind of like mad at Elrond then. Cause he's like. Men are weak. Yeah. Dude, you weren't there. Yeah. You could have saved him. You're weak. You should have done something, man. He has his back turned. You have a sword. Yeah. Just, you're in health. Kill him. Yep. If it's that important, right?
I mean. I'm gonna keep going. Unless you want something back. Keep going. This has always frustrated me. When Aragorn, when, uh, Boromir drops Narsil in, uh, Rivendell. Aragorn places it back crooked. Have you noticed this? I have not. All the shards are going this way and he puts it a little bit at an angle. A little off, like two degrees off.
Do you think it was for effect? No, it missed. No, it doesn't. It's like, dude, just put it back straight. I was always confused why Boromir didn't pick it up. Like he acts all embarrassed and just leaves it. Like he's ticked. I guess that maybe is the point, is he's like, just a broken blade. Yeah. Yeah. Broken heirloom.
Also him like, stabbing his finger. Still sharp. Duh. It's a knife. Still sharp. Yeah, that's true. And it's not like he's been used, it's still been sharpened. Yeah. This isn't, uh, a pet peeve as, and y'all can jump it, this is not a pet peeve as much as maybe an unanswerable question. Is Gimli using his second best axe?
After this because he tries to destroy the road. , presumably with his best ax. Yeah, that's a good, that's a good's a good point. Or does he take loins ax? Like, that's a good question. Where does the third ax come from? Yeah. Where's the ax coming from? Where's the That's a good point. I mean, they strapped him up before they left Dale.
Man, they made sure he had something. I don't know, man. Yeah, I just, whatever. That's funny. Also, speaking of the council. I mean, nobody knew Sam was there at the council, like, or Mary and Pippin, like, there's nobody else in Rivendell. Well, Hobbits are, they are actually, it says they can be very hidden. They can be like, if they don't want to be seen, they're not seen.
Okay. Well, I was going to keep going. Worked out. So, given the characters and their, who they are and what happens right after this, I actually think this is in the extended, uh, no, it's not. When they're in Moria and they see the Mithril, they're looking down. Mary actually gets too close to the edge and Pippin pulls him back.
Shouldn't it actually be reversed? Pippin's an idiot. He's the one who pushes the bucket down. Mary's the responsible one. Why did they, I feel like that was an opportunity to miss on more character arc building. I don't know man. Pippin's looking out for Mary. You get that later in the film. The film's like third of like he's It's a mutual stupidity and mutual, like, care for one another.
It is not! No, dude, that's wrong. Mary is such a wiser character than Pippin. That's clear enough. Pippin's pretty sharp. He's the one who, ultimately, Pippin's the one who gets, like, I'm jumping ahead in the film. Are you going off book or movie? Movie. Pippin's the one who comes up, like, finally figures out, like, the way to get the Ents to act in The Two Towers.
Like, Pippin's actually got some sharpness to him. And Mary, Mary has some moments where he's just as, just as foolish. Like what? He pushes a bucket down a well? Uh, the, the fireworks. Like, that's, that's both of them. Yeah, okay, so you haven't given me an example of Mary. Mary! Like, they're, they're There's both of them!
They're both a little silly. But if you're, if you were trying to foreshadow that moment, which is pretty pivotal when he pushes the bucket down. That's too nitpicky. That's too nitpicky. It's not nitpicky. There's no such thing as nitpicky. Okay, uh, there's a scene where Pippin or Frodo is hiding behind a, uh, the column in the Moria fight and the cave troll is going back and forth in the background.
Mary and Pippin are just watching, just like sitting there watching and you know, obviously it's like, ah, we don't have a screen, we don't have a back green screen in the back that shows them like doing other things. Yeah. They wouldn't have warned him that the troll was about to jump scare him? I mean, yeah.
These are literally nitpicks. It's like, yeah, yeah, what are we doing here? Yeah. They're literally sitting back there like looking at him and you're like, dude, you would tell your buddy the cave troll's right there. I got one more. When they're running out of that moment and they're getting in the tunnel or they're they're in the giant like hallway in Moria and What appears to be?
10, 000 goblins Crawling down the walls. No, no One no sense of like I guess goblins are spider man. They can crawl up and down walls. Yeah, no effort But they're just gonna circle around nine dudes and not to roast and not and just finish like That's what they do. And they get scared off by the Balrog, like, they're dead in that moment.
Oh yeah. Like, they're dead. There's thousands of orcs around them, or goblins or whatever they were, and that they just like stop in a perfect little circle around them is kind of odd. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. I thought that one as well. Yeah. Do you have any more? I have one more. I have one more. It's, it's impressive, but I also am like, no chance.
in the Aragorn and Lurtz battle. Lurts from like 20 yards away, left handed, he's right handed, tosses the shield and lands his neck perfectly. I'm like, no. Dude, that was cool though. It's so cool, but I'm like, nah, there's no chance. There's literally, you're throwing your shield. Which presumably is strapped on your arm.
Yeah, perfectly and Pinning a dude to the neck to the tree who's unlikely unlike moving. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like That dude would be there gone. He would beat him about it. He would actually beat him or it would have chopped his head off I wouldn't have thrown it back in. Yeah Yeah, it's like that's the or rip.
I mean like he's not You're not recovering from getting your jugular or your Adam's apple. Maybe that's the biggest pet peeve. It's like, dude, your neck would be gone. Your Adam's apple is obliterated after that. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, those are my pet peeves. There's probably more. But like, I mean, I feel like I was more mad at this movie than y'all were.
And yet I still think the movie's perfect. It's great. I wouldn't change a thing. I actually wouldn't even change these because we wouldn't be able to talk about them. So. Okay, we're moving into our award segment very fun segment. This is our this is our last big hurrah And we are starting with the minister The minister's scroll room award for deep research about the film which essentially means what's something you found on the internet that you thought?
Was super interesting that you'd like to share with people I mean, so We were talking about Christopher Lee earlier. Mm hmm. Um, and I mean, you know, what you read on the internet may or may not be true. That's true. What I'm seeing is that this says that after World War II, he went off hunting Nazis after World War II.
Christopher Lee? Christopher Lee. Dude, I believe it. That is awesome. Wouldn't he like Secret Service? Or like really, really intense military? There's a theory that he is one of the guys that, uh, James Bond is based off of. Okay, yes, I also saw that. Epic. Yeah. So this guy's a freak. Like he's He's amazing. And He read Lord of the Rings every year too.
Read Lord of the Rings every year. And still didn't get Gandalf. I think if he was actually like 15 years younger, he would have He's old. He was older, but yeah, but yeah, I love that. I didn't know that he was hunting Nazis. That's amazing Yeah, and then one more thing. Apparently there was a stunt woman who grew According to this grew very attached to a horse during the filming, but she couldn't afford it Uh, so Vigo bought it for her.
Dude. I've heard that Vigo actually purchased several of the horses from the film and kept them. Like, like that he was, he was very like into like keeping the horses after the films. Yeah. But that's, I didn't know, I had never heard that he bought one for one of the stunt people. But that totally checks out.
He's perfect. He's perfect. Shoot. I've got a scene. It's more of just something I noticed. So I started doing kind of a deep dive. Here we go. When in Bree, when Frodo slips and the ring I think I've got it here. Um, so they're, they're in the, they're in the prince and pony and Frodo slips
and then the ring falls onto his finger. Uh, I've never, I don't know if I've really noticed until this time through. Sauron like, you get a lot of his, Sauron speaking while Frodo is in kind of the, the void or whatever and it's like, listen to what he says because it's kind of creepy. I
don't know why I slowed down on that, but it's just that whole, like, I've, I mean, I always remember like, I see you, you know, but there is no life in the void, only death. But it's, uh, I was kind of curious. I was like, I wonder who voiced Sauron in this. Yeah. Uh, it's a guy named Alan Howard, who apparently was just a really famous, um, like, stage actor, uh, lived from 1937 to 2015.
I I can't find that many other, like, films that, uh, at least that I had heard of that he's in, but apparently Peter Jackson, when they were casting, they went and found him and they just, they picked him because they thought his voice sounded really ominous. Yeah. And was able to do, like, a really deep voice.
I think my assumption because of, um, like John Rhys Davies voices some other characters in it. He's got a really deep, powerful voice. Yeah. I just assume it was probably one of the other actors, uh, that, that plays a mainline role. Yeah. But that it was just this random guy. I thought that was kind of cool.
That is pretty cool. It's cool. Um, I have one that supposedly is, you know, if you search on chat, GBT, it tells you, but I'll share it. Uh, David Bowie reached out to Peter Jackson about playing Elrond and ultimately Peter Jackson was flattered, but said, I think you're a little too famous. That was awesome. I think that's really cool.
Like I don't know my perception of David Bowie might be off to think that he would want to do Lord of the Rings, but anyway, uh, okay. Two things, the ring in the snow that bore more, but that Bormier picks up. Is actually a massive ring. I love that. They scaled it up like ten times. Interesting. It's like plastic too.
Yeah, it's like, it's like this big. So that. So they could get the reflection of everybody in it. Yeah, and the zoom in and make it look like it was heavier. And that scene is cool. That scene is so cool. And then. You know, like the little subtle thing he does in that Boromir, after he gives it back, he kind of tussles Frodo's hair, and it's like such a, like a I care not.
I care not. Like patronizing a little moment. It's like, so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A good Boromir ear, uh, Frodo tension. Um, and the last one, Viggo was a very late cast. I guess we kind of talked about this. And I think one of his, I know one of his first scenes they filmed was actually Weathertop. And so he actually bonded with his sword and the idea that he took his sword everywhere.
At one point, he actually had the police called on him in Weather, Weather, Weather, Wellington? Which is in the main city. Cause he was brandishing, he was walking around with a sword. They didn't realize he was an actor. That's awesome. That's and they were like, oh, you know, he didn't get arrested, but they like called the police.
Yeah, but you I think you can tell that like he's he used the sword as his way into the aragorn aragorn character Hmm, that's funny, which I think is pretty. Yeah, pretty. Yeah. I read that a guy named stewart townsend who I looked up some films I recognize a couple like about adam came out around the same time He was supposed to play Ergorn and then they recast Viggo.
I'm glad they did because that dude was way too young and too pretty boy, I think. Yeah, very much. Yeah. Interesting. Okay, the Gandalf the White award for second life on the internet, aka the best meme or gif. There's a lot of good ones. There's so many good ones, so many good ones. The, uh, I'll start it off.
Go for it. The Frodo saying, alright then, keep your secrets, whatever they're there. I love that one so much. Is that one in this? Uh, movie. Yeah. So whenever, uh, he says, oh, Gandalf. Yeah. Yeah. Bill goes up to something. It's it like first, like they're in the Shire, they're riding in the cart. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which that's another like, good little deep dive research thing of that cart was specially built to make Frodo look like smaller than Gandalf. Mm-hmm . Yep. And it was actually like a really weird cat corner, cattycorner shaped heart. To put Gandalf more in the foreground to look larger, which is cool, but I love that, I love sending that gif.
Alright then, keep your secrets. Um, I found a, uh, it's like a, it's a picture of the fellowship at the Council of Elrond, and it says breaking news. And it says, fellowship wasn't inclusive. And then like the subtitle says, Um, they saved the world, but the fellowship is slammed for not having orcs. Um, and so I thought that, no, it gave me, it gave me a good laugh whenever I, whenever I came across it.
Uh, I don't have a exact example cause it's been used for so many things, but it's like the one does not simply. Intermordor, but this one does not simply, you know, uh, cut 12 onions without shedding a tear. Like, one does not simply, all those, I think they're hilarious. And then, Tad, I don't know if you have this queued up.
I have it queued up. One of the greatest, I don't even call it a remix. It's just like, I was delayed. I love that, yeah. And Gandalf at the rave. So funny. It's, it's right after Frodo gets to Rivendell. Um, do you want me to play it real quick? It's, it's so funny. What happened, Gandalf? Why didn't you meet us?
Oh, I'm sorry. Delay.
I love that clip. That's good. So much. Oh, here's the ox hanging at the tad. Here go. Oh, PA, pa, pass the door. One Another favorite meme, just this, uh, moment. If somebody gets, like, I've had people use this, this meme, whenever somebody gets like super burned, like by a joke and then, uh. Here we play it. Gandalf in Rivendell.
The wound will never fully heal. You will carry it. I love that. The wound will never heal. Yeah, that's a good time. There's so many, we could go. There's so many. Being a parent of toddlers now, uh, one that I see often, and it's so real. But, uh, it's any time I'm going to try to do something to myself and I tell my toddler I'm like taking something out, like I'm taking the trash out.
And my toddler, Sam, of course you are, and I'm coming with you. And that's so, it's so real. Just, I can't do anything alone. My toddler's going to come with me. That's funny. Okay, the next award we're handing out is the Potatoes Award for Best Food Slash Drink Scene. There's a lot of food in this film. Yeah, a lot of good food scenes.
Um, it's another, it's another quotable line that I don't, like, it's such a random one, but it lives in my head and sometimes is, is, uh. Bilbo trying to be hospitable when Gandalf's there, and he goes, I could make you some eggs if you'd like. Just, just So you would say Bilbo's eggs are what you're Just tea, thank you.
Yeah. I think Bilbo's eggs is a, is a funny one. And then, uh, the, the, the scene at Weathertop of some nice crispy bacon. Yeah, yeah. Nice, but nice tomatoes, Sam. I was gonna say that one, just because, um, I don't, like, where, where did it come from? The, the food. Who knows? Weren't they like, starving? At one point?
Like he had to throw an apple at them? Yeah. And they have all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. What about second breakfast? Yeah. I was gonna say that, the, the, does he not know about second breakfast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a very common meme as well. Mine, mine is um, the uh, Limbus, of course, which we had a buddy who made Limbus and for our book club and it was a little bit sweeter than I thought it'd be, but it was awesome.
I bet. It didn't give me the energy. It was like shortbread. Yeah. And I'd eat a lot of it to get full, but it was, I was like, yeah, I think of like a cliff bar.
That could have been your ad placement. It could have been a cliff bar as Limbus bread. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Howard Shore award for best musical moment. This one's gonna be tough because I don't know if we can play the scene and the music at the same time. Yeah. But I can go first, if we want to, and, uh, I'll, uh, you and him at the aux, Te'Ed.
Get in there. Yeah, I'll tell you my, I don't have it, like, on, uh, recorded, but. I'd be curious to see if we all have similar ones. I would say, this is, I don't, I don't know if this is, like, a highly thought, thought of one, but any time there, It's, it's in Isengard, showing the building of the army, of the Uruk hai.
I feel like it's always so good. Yeah. Like, it always is very, there's not tons of dialogue, and so it's very much like, the music is carrying the scene there, and I think it, I think it's really, really good. Yeah, that seems like. Uh, the heavy drums. Yeah. Kind of feels like moria actually with the drums. Yeah.
That, that's a great scene. Ted, I have mine queue up. Yeah. If you got your skewed up, go ahead. So, I mean, this movie has so many good, just little musical moments, but this one, just to start it off, is, uh, first time you meet Frodo. Hmm.
It's so peaceful. It is, it's iconic. Especially since we're recording late, I'm almost gonna fall asleep. Yeah. Like it, uh. And then right after that, obviously, Gandalf is singing a song, and it's just like, dude, he's reading a book in a field, under a tree, and I'm like, ugh. I feel like that song, because it comes, it comes back multiple times.
It's a common theme, yeah. Reminds me of the, the hymn, uh, This is My Father's World. Yeah. Like, every time I heard it, I was like, that's what that sounds like. It does. It does, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's good. Uh, there's one that I think is, is, it's, it's outrageously iconic moment, but. Fly, you fools! Yeah. Yeah.
Just the shift. NOOOOO! Oh, I mean, Frodo's scream is there. It's so gut wrenching.
Yeah. I don't think anything beats that. Yeah, it's really good. It brings tears to your eyes. Is that just like a young choir boy just piercing our hearts? No. Aaaaaah. Aaaaaah. I think it is. It's I think it's one of the most powerful music moments in the entire film. It's second only behind the final closing Into the West song by Andy Lennox.
Probably. Yeah, that was, that's crazy. You haven't seen it, Hunter. I'm sorry. It doesn't ruin anything, but. Yeah. Yeah, that one's, that moment. That is, those are all good. Okay. This is a great, this is a great, um, uh, it's not even, this is not an award. This is a caveat that we had to put in here. This is just some fun.
Which scene would you add modern music over? So the scene, and then you also can name the music. Uh, this was so fun watching it. There's so many. So many. And I have a few honorable mentions, but um, Tad, you have the oxy. You wanna go first? Should I go first? You should go first. Yeah. First describe what the scene is and then I'll see if I can go into your computer That's gonna work, but we're gonna find out.
Here we go. I have to do it this way Yeah So in high school, I was really into screamo music Come on I'm gonna see if I can play the scene on my computer while you guys watch Just for your reaction. If I can time this just right.
They're about to fight the, the cave troll. That's, that's incredible.
The door flings open. Just, them fighting in Fallen's Tomb. To epic screamo music. Oh my gosh. The cave troll comes in and just utter chaos. Yeah. I think would have been awesome. That's, that's really good. That's really, really good. Uh, so I'm going to do what you did, Hunter. You can do the same if you want.
Yeah. Uh, I'll play the scene on my, uh, laptop, but it's a, it's a pretty, it's a pretty common scene. Uh, it's one that I almost put on the, it gave me chills scene. Okay. Let's, let's pull this up. Let me get this. Oh, close. Alright, volume up.
That's the first one I put and I'm actually so proud of it. It's gonna probably fall flat now because I'm cocky. I'm cocky, but I mean, it's so funny. Okay, so this is the scene when they are entering. He, Gandalf realized that he needs to trust his nose. He's gonna find whatever. And they're about to enter into the hall.
Yeah. Okay.
That's pretty, that's pretty good. Hahahaha Actually I think I'm a little late on my timing. I think I scared you to. A little more than that. That's funny. And then the lights are going through the hall, and you see all this stuff. Hahahaha The song first off gets me so hyped. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's my fault.
That's awesome. On music. Oh, I also have an honorable mention. Okay. If I can go real quick. Yeah. I don't have it pulled up, but the, the scene in, uh, Lothlorien, whenever Galadriel isn't saying any words, but looking at them.
She's just like. Looking at them, they're like, cowering away, and if you don't know the song, Boromir's like struggling, she's like, I'll be watching you, can I tell you, what would be even funnier with this, it's just a montage of the Eye of Sauron, I see you, I see you, I'll be watching you, alright, wait can I, so will you play the, Like the, the prologue.
Yes. Do you want to do the thing where I'll Which, the one that was the fortunes of all? Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, let me find it. I have two of them for Two of them for the prologue that I think are both just, they're just funny. Uh, the first one I can't take credit for. I saw somebody doing it on, uh, social media and I just thought it was hilarious.
So I Are you ready, Hunter? Yeah. For the time will soon come when hobbits will shape the fortunes of all.
Can't, can't take credit for it. Um. Love it. Another one, right? Yeah. This is an honorable mention, which is, it's funny that you, that you, that, uh, you played the one in the hall. Do you want that? You want it again? Yeah. Same thing. Let me, uh, I actually have it pulled up here somewhere. For the time will soon come.
When hobbits will shape the fortunes of all. Dude what if these are actually like they did like a hey new extended release and they actually put Those songs on it. Oh, I think it would be so pretty funny. Hilarious. I, I got one more . Um, there's kind of the romantic scene with Arwin and Aragorn. Oh no. in, uh oh no.
And they're, they're talking and they finally, uh, just really beautiful. She gives them the necklace and they start smooching. And if this song started playing, I would, I would die. Just, just the thought of, the thought of Liv Tyler in every movie in a romantic scene having to hear her dad sing, I don't want to miss a thing.
I'm channeling Armageddon here but it would be so, that scene in Armageddon is outrageous to me. That's hilarious. Do you think, we're not talking about the movie, do you think Michael Bay did that? On purpose. Oh, it's yeah, it's because he's like I know that it's your like this is yeah This is my absolute number one karaoke pick of all time.
That was it's the best karaoke song. Yeah, it's true I just again, it's so awkward in Armageddon that live Tyler Make it out to her dad singing and just if she had to carry that into every film She was ever in would be so funny. That's awesome. Did you have a I just thought of one more. Do you have, did we have like a clip of like Frodo when he's leaving on his own?
Like right before I don't have that. Maybe do you have, I pull it up. This is like, just again, this is, I mean, we're, we're just really devolving Hunter. These all that you took from online. What do you mean? The first one was, you said you had seen, Oh no. So the first one, yes, but the second one, the second one, no.
And this one, no, I just thought about it. It's I'm going to Mordor alone. Is that the thing you want? Yeah. Give me a second.
That's incredible. I also have another really fun one, but I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna describe it to y'all. We'll see what happens.
So he gets in the boat.
It was funny when I thought about it. Okay, my honorable mention on this one is, uh, I'm a huge Toy Story fan and there's that moment when Buzz tries to fly to the window. And he's like, going like this, what if, Gandalf fell and it was playing like, and I, and I will go see, as he just fades into the black, yeah, or um, when they're actually traveling right past the Argonath and all the, the orcs are going, if it was, uh, X gon give it to you by DMX, X gon give it to you, and it just like, the orcs are like, they're getting hype, that's funny, you Yeah, that's good.
All right. Uh, the Strider Award for Best Acting Performance. And the reason why it's named the Strider Award is not to say that Aragorn is the best or Viggo is the best actor, but that Strider had to actually act in the pub like, you know, a different character for a while. So that's what we're giving him.
Oh, he was this alter ego. He was the alter identity. So he was actually doing the Strider. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody knew he was, was the heir of Olympia. Yeah. Uh. Man, I think Christopher Lee's an easy pick. Yeah. He acted it really well. But my, my actual pick, I think Ian Hol was the perfect bilbo. Mm. Everything about that character was just perfect.
From the moment you meet him in the, in the, in kind of the concerning hobbit moment in the Shire, even the way he handles the scene. Uh, in Rivendell, where he reacts at wanting the ring again, and then is just deeply like upset about it and like weeping. It feels like everything he's in is so genuine. I think, I think Bilbo is, is like a super unsung, like really well acted character in the whole film.
Yeah, that's good. This is going to be, this is just straight down the middle, but I would just say Gandalf. Because he, I mean, he's just, he's perfect. He's a pillar. So, you couldn't do the film without him. You can't. And Ian McKellen, Ian McKellen can't do it. David Weatherly as Barleyman Butterbur. My, my guy.
He's only in a couple scenes, and guess what? He's good. You believe it. A hundred percent, you're like, This dude, they might have gone and found this dude in an old town. Oh, they could have. Like, he, I, I looked at his discography. He doesn't have much of anything else, but like, Is he in any other movies? He probably is, like, old time, probably, Yeah.
He, this is his best role. Yeah, he's amazing. He's also really child tall pointy hat. Oh man. It's just so good. Yeah. All right. The next award, the fool of a toque award for most cuss worthy moment. There's a lot of these. Here's the thing. There's, we actually don't have a blue button, but you will be bleeped.
If you would like to say the word, I think it would make it a little bit more comical, but you don't have to, obviously. I'm going to say it tad. We'll tad. We know you'll say it. I actually have a sound. I have one of the C I actually have a Scene pulled up for this, but I'll let one of y'all go first. I gotta you go you go.
I've got okay Well, you could pull up one of the seats. I've got I think you go first. I'll get my No, okay. Well you do yes the I'll pass the ox over to you. All right, you can you get ready you do yours Okay So this is a scene well I noticed when I was watching and you know You watch it with a different eye when you have to fill out these things But I noticed that Sam actually like on his face I think he would be a guy who would just say like shit a lot He's just kind of like just I don't know what he's just kind of like, you know Like like when he gets pulled out of the garden, he would be like And that'll be bleeped out so whatever and this scene is when they're walking through the the garden and he can't find He can't find Frodo.
And, uh, I think that I'm gonna, I'm gonna say what some of the words I think he would have said under his breath, okay?
Where is he? Mr. Frodo? Frodo? Frodo? Oh, f
I think he would have said all those. He would have said all those. I think he would have said, I told Gandalf, I wouldn't have done it. I freaking lost it. We're not even out of the chair. As he starts running, he's like, oh. That's good. That's good. Um, alright Tad, so, have you guys seen, I'm gonna go a little bit out of order here, but have you seen the Idris Elba hot ones?
Uh, where he goes, what the fuck? So, imagine that. He's like coughing. Yeah, he's like, what the fuck? But it's uh, Gimli gets up at the Council of Elrond to smash the ring. What are we waiting for? I don't know if you've seen it before, you get this face right here, and he's just going
There's another scene, there's another cuss one from that scene as well, whenever Pippin's like You need people of, of intelligence on this sort of mission quest. What the f k? What the f k? This freaking guy. That's funny. Uh, Hunter, do you have any? So, it's funny that it's called the, the fool of a toque. I don't have it, uh, pulled up.
But, so, who, who knocks it over? Who we're talking about? Pippen? Cause it like hits three times and it's like, it happens first and he goes, and then it happens again.
Every time he's like, and then it's, and then it's longer the last time and he just goes.
I think that might be my favorite. I love it. It's so subtle. I love that one. Uh, um, I just, dude, whenever, uh, I actually said this myself the first time I saw this scene when I was, you know, young, whenever Bilbo tries to take the ring, I can imagine Frodo saying the s t. Like get the f k, get the f k, get away from me, you freak.
He looks terrifying. He looks terrifying. I paused that scene so many times as a kid just to see like what his face actually looked like because it's so fast, but it's freaky. It's so bad. So I think that, uh, he definitely would be like, whoa dude, chill. So yeah, I think he cusses there. You know whenever they're like all posted up on those rocks and like, it's before the, the the caribbean, the birds come.
And it's Boromir's like teaching Pippin and Merida how to fight with swords. And then, uh, you get this moment where he He hits their hand or whatever, and they start to wrestle, but if
Here we go. And they start tackling him. For the show! For the show! But just as soon as this hits, ah, you b There's so many cousins. Who, in that, in that scene, who suggests to go to the Gap of Rohan? Uh. Boromir, probably. I would take the Gap of Rohan. Yeah, I think it's Boromir. Is it Boromir? Yeah. I would not take the ring that way.
I also think that the moment when the goblins are all, like I said, nitpick. Circling the nine, whenever, whenever they hear the, the Galrog, the Balrog, they'd be like s And you can always hear it in their, in their language, they're saying s Oh, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming. And then they go up and they run away, but it's too good.
Okay, this one actually, you can, you can interpret this award multiple different ways, but the Old Toby Award for best smoke break scene. Mm. Mm-hmm . You could take that as, where would I wanna smoke There? Like a pipe or, mm-hmm. What, in, what's the time in the movie? This is the most Opportune Smoke break.
Similar to like, if you go see a movie in a movie theater, maybe you've seen it before, you're like, I know the moment where I need to go to the bathroom, because it's not a very exciting scene. Or we're like, what's that scene? Yeah. For each of you. Mm-hmm . Hmm.
I, I've got one. Lemme pull it up real quick. Oh, you have it? I, I, I have the scene because I need you to see. Interesting. I need you to see Eric Gordon's face in this moment. This is a smoke break that, like, needed to be taken out of just total frustration where you kind of have given up. So, I've, I've mentioned this scene already, but Gandalf's in Ma in Moria.
Okay, and then they, they pause and the extent that they actually say, I need a smoke break. Look at Aragorn's face, though, in this moment. He's just like He's so over it. They're like, looking at Gandalf, him and Boromir smoking pipes, and then you see Gandalf smoking his pipe. And it's just like a, they're so, like, that is this, that is a literal smoke break scene, but they're just so like We're lost, like, we just, let's just take a smoke and you get both the frustration from Aragorn's smoke and his, you get Gandalf just, and actually I love in the extended edition he's like, I know what's wrong with me, I need, I need pipe smoke, like he needs to think, he needs to clear his mind and uh, I think that's one of my favorite smoke break moments in the film.
I was going to say, uh, so when Gandalf is researching. The ring, where do we say it was? It hurts. Oh yeah, in Ministeria 3. Are you saying this is a scene that you want to avoid or you're saying you want to be there with him and smoke? No, I feel like it is like the smoke break scene of the movie because it, it kind of similar to what you were saying.
I actually think he's smoking now. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of similar to what you're saying. It's like, okay, this is really serious. So therefore I must, I must smoke this pipe while I, while I try to figure out. How to, what the story of the ring that Sauron is trying to take over the world with. Interesting. So I interpret this entirely differently.
Are you, the one you want to take? Are you going to go with the cliché one? Yeah, because like Because there's one, there actually is a perfect answer. The history of this is that We've done rewatching. Me and Tad have as a like with a lot of groups of people the last four or five years. Yeah, always. We've done the 20 year anniversary of everyone and there's always one scene, hunter, this might offend you.
There's always one area in the movie where I'm like, I'm going outside and smoking because it's, it almost will put me to sleep. It, oh, you took this, this way. That's totally different. Prompt. I'm take, I'm taking it as interesting the moment in the movie where you're like, willing to skip that moment. I could skip that moment and it would have the least consequence or the moment you just don't like I, I can guess yours.
What is it? La Florine. Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah. Whenever they come out, because it's so much action, a pivotal character dies. They run into the woods, and you're like, I got, I got 15 minutes, I can go smoke, and I'll get back in there. No, literally, literally, I'm like. I'm peeking it because at the old place we watched it at you could sit on the porch and see Like what was happening on tv and I would literally be like, okay They're back in the boats and i'm like i'm putting and that's like how long it takes to smoke a pipe about 15 20 minutes That's the scene that I would that's my Toby old Toby were for most smoke breaks.
Yeah, but y'all have a big smoke break. So that's an actual smoke scenes I mean the iconic one is is Gandalf and Bilbo sitting out front. Yeah Actually another deep dive like fun research moment. It looks like it's in the evening but when they film that the direction they're facing is Is West hmm. And so or no is East so it's it's facing East And yet it looks like the sun is setting.
They actually had to wake up crazy early to film that scene in the early, early morning and the way, and they did like some layering where they filmed the scene several times to get it where it actually looked like a sunset rather than a sunrise. Interesting. This is a random little detail about when they filmed it, but they wanted it to be looking that way.
But backend in the set, in hobbiton, uh, like the film set faces. Faces, uh, east where the sun rises instead of west, but when they're looking, it looks like a sunset. That's so cool, actually. Interesting, yeah. I mean, that's like the iconic That's your deep dive award. Yeah, I mean, we can, I don't That's funny, I took the prompt wrong, but yeah.
Well, no, no, it's open for interpretation. I wonder if going forward, there's probably less smoke scenes. And so it might be better to just interpret it as like, what's the moment in the film that you wouldn't mind stepping out? The moment you would skip. I know, yeah, I know, I know a couple coming up, so I'll be ready for Two Towers.
Actually, I mean, dude, all the end scenes, I'm out. I'm just, I'm giving you, I'm showing you my cards. It's not that I don't like them, but I'm like, I'd rather watch the other parts. They're slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever Sam and Frodo are together. I'm skipping all that. I'm back for Helm's Deep in Two Towers.
I've seen it so many times, I'm like, I'm out, I'm out. I don't want to, I don't want to do it. Anyways, okay. This is our last award. Uh, and then we'll close and we're actually going to go probably maybe smoke, smoke, smoke break, yeah, exactly. The Mount Doom Award for hottest take. Now, pretty self explanatory.
I want something that you're like, I would be borderline almost embarrassed to say, or people would be like, I don't know. Maybe even non fans would go, that's, you're, you're insane. And if, maybe, maybe you'll have that, maybe you don't. If not, I can go first, I'm not ashamed. You go first. Give us, set the bar.
I have two. In the year 2100. So 102,100. Mm-hmm . When they look back on the two thou, 200 thousands, is that, is that what you call it? Sure. Probably not. That's probably two thousands. 2000? No, the 200,000. I'm saying like in the year. 2100. 2,101. Okay. Like a hundred when they, when they look back and say, Hey, let's recap this last century.
Yeah. And let's go like the five mo, like biggest movie or film moments. Lord of the Rings will be in the top five most important film moments. One, because it was really the first fantasy genre. Yeah, I won all those awards. More importantly, more importantly actually, is because of the VFX that Andy Serkis brought.
Yes. But this, what's the term for it again? It's, I don't remember, but what he did playing Gollum had never happened really before. And he goes on to do so many, I mean, the planet of the apes films that he did, King Kong that he did, he was in the Hobbit films. We're going to be coming back to the, to the.
Yeah, he was the, yeah, I mean, he, he set it, he set it up. So, I think that looking back, this, although it's in 2001, early, When they look back at like, moments in film, motion capture, motion capture, performance, yeah, yeah. This will be, this, this trilogy will be a, Top five, maybe even a top three movie or film moment in history.
I could see it. Yeah, definitely could see it. It's pretty hot. That's a hot take. I have another one, but if y'all, I want to hear it. You want to hear my, I've got two as well. How many have you got? I have one. Yeah. When all is said and done. You're going for it. All right, here's your other hot pick. This will go down as every actor's best films.
Every actor's, no doubt. Each one of the actors that was in this film, their best. I don't know. Right Goonies? With Sean Astin? Point proven. Have you seen Rudy? Point proven. Have you seen Rudy? Point proven. Point proven. You might not be wrong. For most of the cast, it's true. I think Orlando Bloom had further to go, but I think Legolas is still his most iconic character.
This is his best. Aragorn, Viggo, Death by His Face. I liked, I liked Dominic Monaghan in, uh, in Lost. This is more iconic for him. This is more iconic, you're right. He would probably say that. No, I think you're right, you're probably right. They, they probably all, like, will be known, they will be known primarily for their roles in Lord of the Rings.
There's only one actor that scares me on it. Only one. And he's in the second film. And it's the guy who plays Theoden because he's also in Titanic. Which is tough. Yeah, but nobody remembers the captain. They always remember Leo. Oh, they are, yeah, you're right. So maybe, yeah. You know what? No, I'm full Cindy.
Maybe Liv Tyler, maybe not. I don't think about it. That'd be tough. I don't know. I don't think of her in other films. When I think of her in movies, I think of Lord of the Rings. Okay, well then, maybe this isn't the hottest take ever, but I said it. All right. I'll give you my first. I think that somehow in the magic that this film was, the prop ring that they created, Actually took on some of the essence of the One Ring and Elijah Wood still has it, which is why he's aging so slow.
Have you seen photos of Elijah Wood? This is a conspiracy theory. It's a hot take. It's a hot take. It's a hot take. Have you seen, cause like him, Sean Astin, Billy Boyd, and Dominic Mania, they get together every now and then. And dadgummit, if Elijah doesn't look 30 years younger than all of them. The other three have started to age a lot.
He was younger anyways. Yeah, but it's still shocking how young he still looks. I think he is, he has a ring of power, and he is aging slower, just like in the books. Um, uh, that is less of a take and more of a conspiracy theory, but you know what? It plays ball. Okay, that's yours. That's a good one. That's a good one.
I got one more. You go ahead, Aaron. That's fine. I want to hear the same one, and then I'll go. Uh, this one's more movie centric. I think Gandalf did know the way in Moria, and he actually needed a moment. These are conspiracy theories, not takes. No, no, no. This is a hot take. He knew. He knew. That he was about to have to face the Balrog, why he didn't want to go to Moria.
He, he had fear of going into Moria to begin with, because he knew he'd probably have to take on the Balrog. And that it might cost him his life. He needed a moment's pause for one last smoke. And a chance to really have a good heart to heart with Frodo and give him some encouragement before he died. I think he knew the way all along because when you look at that scene and he goes, Oh, it's this way, I knew, uh, it's this way, follow your nose.
It's like, you knew, you knew, you knew. He was taking a break. He needed a break. He needed to get his wits about him. He needed to pause and reflect. He wanted to encourage Frodo. Because he knew he was about to walk to his certain doom. So, so that's a conspiracy theory too. That's a hot take. Maybe.
Conspiracy theories are hot takes. I, maybe this is a phrase that This is a word that maybe we can tweak a little bit. I was thinking outside of the movie, which is what My first one was outside of the film. I think we missed both of them. We both, we all misinterpreted the last two awards, but that's okay.
That's why they're awards. You know, you can get them who you want. I mean, Michael Scott, hand them out, you know? Yeah. Hunter. I don't know if this is a hot take, but I think in, maybe this is just a, I don't know. Anyways, that's what it is. That's what a hot take is. Okay. Well, all right. Opinion, conspiracy theory, hot take, same thing.
I guess it's a little bit similar to what you said, Dan, but I think of all of the films that are in like the fantasy realm, I think that Lord of the Rings will have the longest staying power because it was in a time period that has already happened, if that makes sense. And so because it wasn't, because it wasn't modern now, it's not going to be a big deal a hundred, two years from now that it's not.
Modern then, if that makes sense. You're talking about like, the visuals of it? Yeah, no no no, I'm saying like, the story in itself. Like, the story is set, you know It's not set in modern times. Yes, because it's not set in modern times. It's, like, I think it's going to last longer than a lot of these, like, futuristic Do you think the distance between its, its book release date and its film adaptation?
Because there was such a big gap. Yeah. Compared to, like, the Harry Potter films. Yes. Everything's so rushed. Um, like, like, The Hunger Games. Yes. So many other book adaptations that have, like, been really popular. And people, like, end up kind of a little dissatisfied with it. Yeah. That this allowed the films to take on almost a life of their own.
Yeah. And create a resurgence of appreciation for Tolkien. Yeah. Uh, yes. Uh, that's what I think. I think, like, would agree with that. Harry Potter and, like, the Hunger Games. To be fair, the Harry Potter, like, films, they did a great film adaptation. They're really good, yeah. It gave, like, a new life to that book series.
Yeah. But since Lord of the Rings, most Most adaptations have been poor. Because, honestly, there's not enough time to appreciate it as a culture. Before, you like, read a book, like we read Red Rising. And you're like, they're definitely going to make us into a movie. They're going, like, you going to happen, like, in a year now.
And it's like, dang it. Like, what if you waited 50 years? Yeah, like, it allowed the story to Ruminate. Yes. Good word. So, I think, I think it will have longer staying power because of that. Because it was allowed to ruminate instead of like, um, you know, Harry Potter, Hunger Games. It's so All these fantasy series.
Relevant stuff. Yeah. It really is. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. Like It, it still plays ball also visually, you watch and you're like, it does, there's some moments you're like, yeah, okay, yeah, they actually use VFX there and it didn't look great. But the, the, when you use the models and it's like, dude, these are, I can't tell you when they've done the remastered versions.
It almost looks worse than the, uh, just the straight up original one. So they made it so good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anything else? I don't think so. This has been a good time. Man, I think we recorded maybe longer than the movie. I think we're getting close. We're getting real close. What are we at? Well, counting breaks, like, almost four hours.
That we've been sitting here talking about this. That's what I told you. It'd be that. Alright, well, we will see you on the next one. The Two Towers.