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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Ps Vance: It's been too long.
It has been
Arun: too long.
Welcome back, guys.
My goodness.
Welcome back.
Ps Vance: What did we do?
We just replayed all.
Where
Arun: you been, Arun?
We've been sitting here without you.
I've actually been here.
Every Wednesday.
You're sitting in the studio,
Ps Adam: just waiting for
someone to talk to you.
Arun: That's so sad.
But this is my life.
Ps Adam: This is my life.
This is his marriage.
Just waiting.
Where's Shilps?
Shilpa?
You're good.
Can you talk to me?
I'm home.
She's like, not now.
You had your ten minutes.
Arun: This is too real, too real.
Let's get started with the pod.
What have you guys been up to?
Ps Adam: Yeah, Vance, what
Ps Vance: have you been up to?
Oh my goodness.
There's a lot going on.
It's exciting because we are one week away
Ps Adam: from Flowcon.
Straight into marketing.
Ps Vance: Just can't turn it off.
Ps Adam: Can't turn it off.
We've been pressing hard.
We've been doing a lot of traveling.
We're in Colorado.
We were in Colorado together.
So good.
That was a great, great, uh, experience
being with, uh, Kingdom Builders.
And, uh, you know, talking
a lot of Kingdom expansion.
So that was fun.
In between there, there's been a few,
uh, different trips that we've been doing
separately regarding ministry, business,
um, a bit of both, actually, you've been
doing a lot of ministry and business.
Yeah.
Pushing overflow, preaching churches.
Uh, can we talk about Generosity
University or we can't talk about
Ps Vance: that yet?
No, we can talk about it.
Yeah.
I mean, I've been on a little bit of
a stint, uh, Piloting, uh, and we're
going to take it to full launch later
this summer, uh, this concept that
we've coined Generosity University.
What we found is that, you know, in
churches, there are these different
financial literacy programs.
Um, not going to name names, but people
like Dave Ramsey, that have created
programs like Financial Peace University.
And I know mad respect, mad respect
for Dave Ramsey, um, in terms of the
environment today, kind of the goat.
Right.
In terms of providing, uh, tools like
debt snowball, I think he's gotten
literally, uh, hundreds of thousands of
people out of debt through these programs.
It's, it's fantastic, but I do think
that there is a fresh wind that the Holy
Spirit is trying to bring in this space.
And we hope to be able to
provide it in the sense of at
the end of the day, millennials
don't want to live by envelope.
Millennials, I don't even think
get motivated by saying spend less,
but millennials do get motivated
by how to make more said every
Instagram hustler influencer, right?
Uh, that is trying to, you know,
sling a get rich quick scheme and
that's not what we're trying to do,
but we're trying to do is give tools
around investment, give tools around.
Everybody's got a side hustle.
How do you do that effectively?
Right?
Give tools about how to
think about these things.
Yes, there is an element of stewardship
that is biblical, but the parable
of the talents tells us that there's
also an element of investment.
And so how do you invest in yourself?
How do you create portfolios?
How do you create products?
How do you create an ecosystem where
you can actually not just make money
for you and your family, but make money
so that you can live big and give big.
And so that's what we call
Generosity University.
It seems to be resonating.
I've been in churches in Miami,
Orlando, um, even New Jersey, the
armpit of America, that's what they
told me, the armpit of America.
Um, and, uh, and this is really resonating
with people, especially with the next gen.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: I think it's a, it's, you
know, there's an orientation around the
financial education that's out there.
That is really about your goal is
survival, you know, cut up your credit
cards, get out of debt, and it seems to
be like, how can you just survive in life?
Whereas if, what if you set the
bullseye as how much you want to give?
What if you started with generosity
as the goal and then you can
backfill to get to that place?
And, um, I think it's that ideal
to, to give big, I've got to
live with a bigger mentality.
I've got to expand that and so I think
that it's, it's definitely An offensive
play rather than a defensive play.
And isn't
Ps Vance: it funny, we've been
talking to pastors, actually, uh,
even when we were in Colorado, talking
about this concept and asking them
what they use in their churches.
They're like, we use
Financial Peace University.
And they're like, well, do you know
that that's anti getting a mortgage?
Do you have a mortgage?
It's anti debt.
Yeah.
And they're like, oh,
that's what it teaches?
Ps Adam: You know, it's crazy how
many pastors permit something they
don't even know what's being taught.
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's a little
Arun: bit scary.
It's really interesting because like
My mom is a big believer in that, but
like, I think about first generation, um,
at least for my family that came here,
they kind of were in that survival mode.
So this is kind of an interesting
play on now second generation, but
Ps Vance: also, but also in our parents
or grandparents generation, a house in
Santa Clara was 75, 000 right now it's 7.
5 million.
Ps Adam: So it's like, when you say
she's a big believer in that, is she
believer in the no credit card thing?
Yeah.
And I think I think that's, that's
probably a very smart, uh, and responsible
way if you aren't, you know, very well
managed with your finances, right?
Like if you, if you're not, um, If you,
if you don't have a clear budget to
make sure you don't go into interest
payments, all that kind of stuff, but I
mean, with emergence of the points guy
and some of the attractive elements that
you can leverage off of a, of a credit
card, I mean, you can literally get whole
free vacations, you know what I mean?
So there is, there is, I think
it just needs an education
Arun: is what we're talking about.
I agree.
I think even our generation is
still slow to learn all this.
Like there's a, there's a segment of
people that understand it and take
advantage of it, but if you don't,
you're really just falling behind.
And further falling behind
because, so what does this look
like practically for General Ross?
Is it going to be an in person
thing and online kind of content?
Ps Vance: Yeah.
I mean, I've been piloting it
in person, so that's been fun.
Uh, just getting real time feedback
and we are actually literally in the
process of recording the modules.
Um, and then there's going to be an
accompanying digital workbook with it.
And it's basically going to be
a product, a platform of service
that can be, you know, given to
churches to then teach their people.
And so, uh, coming soon.
Yeah.
That's
Arun: incredible.
And then also just want to
make sure we touched on it.
Your series B closed.
Congratulations.
That's
Ps Vance: right.
It's public.
It's public.
Actually, the news dropped
here before anywhere else.
You got to subscribe to the Hype Pod.
Exclusives.
We have the exclusives here.
How's
Arun: it been?
I mean, it's obviously incredible
news, but now it's, I think I asked
Pastor Kim, like, congratulations.
She's like, yeah, now the work begins.
Like, literally like, these are
just steps to like the next.
Ps Vance: You know, it's a funny thing.
Like, you know, you announced this.
It's very exciting.
There's so many people
that are encouraging.
There's so many people that are now just
learning and be more aware about what
we're doing because in our business wire
announcement, um, and then Axios broke
the news and all that type of stuff.
We shared a little bit about the
future roadmap and things like that.
So people are cluing on
to even the future vision.
But then I've gotten 10 x spam, yeah.
Right.
On my phone.
Sure.
On, in my email, I'm like, how?
And it's like, cause everybody
thinks you have money now.
It's like, like, no, I'm not
spending it on your stupid company.
Um, and so it's just like,
cause these cold outbound
emails are not even intentional.
They're like, hi, first name.
We saw you.
It's like terrible, but
that's kind of a funny thing.
But we're, we're feeling blessed.
Um, we were really.
Excited that everything's public, uh,
because I do believe that that extra,
uh, sense of credibility, um, towards,
you know, with, they got a big balance
sheet backing us, gives people more
opportunity to not just learn about what
we're doing to, but really partner with
what we're doing with greater confidence.
So it's, it's fun.
Arun: That's awesome.
Incredible.
And so this podcast is kind of open.
We've been gone for
three weeks, I think now.
Um, so there's a lot that's
happened way too long.
So I want to kind of open it up to,
this is like the week before this
pot will drop right before FloCon.
So this pot will drop.
Let's go.
Leading into FloCon.
So great timing.
This is going to be a fun one.
So I'm going to give you guys some topics.
You guys pick which one
you want to talk about.
And then we'll just go from there.
Adventure.
But I think the first one before I
let you pick, it has to be the Apple
Vision Pro because I thought I was
seeing all of what it looks like to be.
You know, in the Silicon Valley,
I saw somebody get out of a cyber
truck with the Apple Vision Pro on.
And then I come to church and
Pastor Adam is giving a sermon
with the Apple Vision Pro.
I'm like, okay, now I'm
fully, I'm fully in it.
Now you're in
Ps Adam: the Silicon Valley.
Now, now this is what it looks like to
be a Christian in the Silicon Valley.
Move over influencers.
All right.
We are preaching with
the Apple Vision Pro.
No, it actually just happened.
So, uh, that last week, uh, I
was, uh, with some friends and,
uh, we were doing ski week.
We're up in, uh.
Um, in Tahoe and I was with some friends
and they, they just got the Apple
vision pro and I was like, Oh, cool.
I'd love to love to give it a try.
And I literally was blown away.
It's pretty good.
I just didn't, I didn't enter correctly.
I didn't have the expectation,
but I got sucked into the vortex
of the immersive experience and
they were recording my reaction.
Um, I don't know what for, but they're
recording my reaction because I think
everybody has a similar reaction.
It's like, literally mind blowing.
And so as I was doing it, I was
also percolating all week on,
you know, the final installment
in our Holy Spirit school.
And it just felt like a, it sounds funny,
but a Holy Spirit moment that this is
what it's like to put on an advantage.
Like to be able to, the things I was
seeing and the features I was seeing
that nobody else could see, but it
was like a peripheral to, to what I
had and I'm interacting with people.
And yet I could have something
playing in the background.
I could have a scripture up.
And, uh, literally just to be able to,
as we're talking, I was pulling up a
verse and I thought this is just like
that advantage of the Holy Spirit.
And I thought, Hey, that'd be crazy.
What if, what if we could just
do that illustration live?
And, um, yeah, it was super
Silicon Valley, but I think
it really, it wasn't like.
Hey, let's find a way to work
the Vision Pro into a sermon.
Right, right.
You know what
Arun: I mean?
It kind of fit, like, naturally.
It was like, it felt like the logical
next place to go when you're trying to
Ps Adam: The timing was just outstanding.
And I don't, you know, sometimes
we plan a whole series out
and we'll really map it out.
But then sometimes you just pivot
for what's in the moment and the
way that God speaks, especially in
the Holy Spirit, you know, series.
And that just fit so well.
And I think it was a really great
analogy for what it looks like to put on.
You know
Ps Vance: power.
I mean the fruit of it was powerful.
Second service.
There were dozens and dozens of
people Oh, yeah, not just responding
but like you could see having deep
ministry Yes, that that analogy
really allowed them to contextualize.
Oh, that's what it means.
I'm missing.
I haven't put on Yeah, the
power and people were crying
people were getting minutes.
It was it was beautiful.
Yeah, but have you
Arun: tried?
I have not that's what I
was gonna ask you guys.
Ps Adam: Next week you
get to try it at FloCon
Ps Vance: Yeah We're not gonna be here
Ps Adam: for a contest.
Oh my goodness.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Let's edit that out of the
Arun: podcast.
This time has finally come to reveal.
Ps Adam: But I would.
We're gonna be there like, where's Farouk?
Where's our guy?
Arun: Yeah, it's very unfortunate news.
I would like to sponsor somebody's
ticket because, you know, I can't
go, somebody else wants to go.
Um, but yeah, I won't be
there, so I'm really bummed.
Ps Adam: She'll probably let you go?
Nah.
Arun: That would be really funny if
she just, this is her, this is the
line, you can't go the fuck on, but
I'll be at Engineering Offsite, so.
Oh,
Ps Adam: yeah, those
Silicon Valley things.
Those offsites.
Just
Arun: continuing down the road,
Ps Adam: yeah.
Those offsites.
Those
Ps Vance: excuses for the work.
It's a really tough life in Palo Alto.
Yeah,
Arun: it really is.
It's in Vegas too, right?
Yeah.
I'm really going to be working hard.
I'm really going to be working hard.
Um, but how's it been?
How was the comfort?
Was it something you guys
could see yourself using, um,
Ps Adam: long term?
Look, it's still a bit heavy.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I think, you know, if you have it on for
an hour, it comes with the additional head
strap, which I think, uh, helps alleviate
the, the, the frontal lobe pressure.
It's definitely something that is so
immersive that You're lost in it, but
after a while I think on the bridge of
the nose You're definitely gonna feel the
weight and I'm sure by you know, second
iteration third iteration of this product
It's gonna be really in the pocket.
Yeah, but I think just to
get it into the market.
They've done a fantastic job It's
extremely comfortable And I think
you know just for user experience.
It probably takes a quick little learning
curve But maybe after two or three times.
Oh,
Ps Vance: it's really intuitive.
Arun: It looked intuitive.
When you were using it on stage,
both of you guys, I saw your
clip of you prepping it before.
But everything, usually when you
do a tech demo in general, it's
usually like, you're retrying stuff.
Everything you guys were
doing, it looked very smooth.
So I was really impressed by the demo.
Ps Vance: I think design wise,
Steve Jobs is probably rolling in
his grave with the battery pack.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Man, that's really unfortunate.
It doesn't feel very Apple esque.
Yeah.
That extra battery pack.
Um, I do think that they did it so that
they can have super high quality immersive
imagery on there, um, to power it.
To my understanding.
Uh, but that is a little bit clunky.
Outside of that, I mean, it is heavy.
Mm hmm.
But I do think that top strap will help.
It's not as heavy as you'd
think though, I think, yeah,
Ps Adam: it does look heavy in there.
Like it's a surprise.
Oh, that's not so heavy.
But I think anything sitting on
the bridge your nose for a while.
Like your glasses probably get
a little annoying after a while.
I feel
Arun: like this is like
not the era for me.
I'm going to have to like wear contacts
permanently because I try the other
versions and it's just impossible.
You know, it's not with glasses.
Yeah, not with glasses.
Either that or I'm going
to get smaller glasses.
I don't know, but yeah, I think
it's, it's, uh, not for me maybe.
The current version of it.
Ps Adam: Can you get prescription?
Vision pro.
Oh, interesting.
Ps Vance: Ooh.
Interesting.
Really interesting.
Like
Arun: built in enhancement.
Yeah.
Maybe.
I mean, yeah, they should be able to.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: Maybe there's
a magnification element.
You wouldn't need glasses.
Apple.
If you're
Ps Vance: listening.
Or this is just natural selection.
Arun: All right.
Let's talk about it.
Talk about it.
We got to talk about that.
Cause.
When we previously talked
about, um, Neuralink.
Yeah.
Pastor Adam said, I'm not gonna
be the first one to get it.
I put me up, put me up against him.
Put me against him.
But now that you've had this kind
of revelation of like, you know,
the human enhancements, yeah.
Let's put this on and
then we can work with it.
Do you, does it change your mind?
It doesn't
Ps Adam: change my mind.
Um, I thought it was, 'cause
my whole point with the
Vision Pro is I don't need it.
I've got the Holy Spirit, right?
Mm-Hmm.
, like, you know, that's the, that's
kind of doing the same thing.
And I think.
You know, the Neuralink is, uh, I
feel like we have that as believers.
I don't really know what it's like.
Too deeply to not be a believer.
Mm hmm.
I've lived my whole life with this sense
of God and the sense of the Holy Spirit
Speaking and illuminating and so I know
my natural state is just awareness of
some spiritual forces some discernment
Maybe some prophetic edge, right?
and so my normal I know that I've
spoken to people who've come into a
relationship with Christ and they've
experienced the feeling of the Holy
Spirit is like man light switches on
and I'm like, oh, that's that's how
I live That's that's what I live with
and so I think Um, you know, I would
love to try out my spiritual superpower
against someone's Neuralink superpower.
That's what I'd like to
Arun: try.
I don't know if Patrick Adams sent
me this, um, news reporting of Peter
Thiel is trying to do enhanced games.
So basically there's like no
rules in terms of what you
can do to enhance your body.
Mostly talking about probably
like performance enhancing drugs.
Um, but there's like obviously
this aspect of it, of like a
BCI, like a brain computer.
interface that you're, you know,
enhances your cognition or whatever
the end result of this looks like.
Cause
Ps Adam: we're at, we're at the point of
diminishing returns in the athletic arena.
Oh yeah.
All right.
So we're right at the cusp.
Like we're making milliseconds
as a world record right now.
I think what Peter Thiel is
talking about is what if we
just let's throw off the gates.
Let's throw off the boundaries.
Let's do performance enhancing drugs.
Let's do neural links and let's
just see a race of superhumans.
That could change sport, you
know, and, and, you know, the
only fairness is your advantage.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: It's interesting.
Arun: And I feel like there's,
I mean, you, to play the game,
you have to play the game, right?
Like you have to play by the rules.
So I feel like if you're going to do
this, you might be in a world where
Ps Adam: you need it.
How many people do you think
would go straight for that?
A lot.
A lot.
Yeah.
Right.
Because I feel like there's a lot
of fighters and that, that are just
like any edge I can get them, I'm
on, but they're, they're restricted.
And is that funner to watch
than real human imitation?
Yeah, I'd
Arun: watch it.
I'd watch it for sure.
I would love it.
I think you've got to think about,
like, the steroid era on baseball.
It was just vastly better to watch.
I don't remember
Ps Adam: that era.
Oh, really?
I'm not a baseball guy,
but tell me about it.
I'm
Arun: very
Ps Vance: fascinated.
Like you, every hit was a home run.
Every hit was a home run.
Arun: Wait, really?
Yeah.
It was awesome.
Everybody was on it.
Pitchers, batters, everybody.
It was
Ps Vance: just was year after
year where the home run record
just kept getting broken.
Like, it was crazy.
It was like a See, that
would be fun, right?
It was.
Arun: I mean, baseball was at its peak.
It was.
And now you look at it and
it's just like this sport that
feels like it's dying away.
Right.
But like, you bring this back in.
You bring this.
Because people want to see action.
Yeah.
You gotta go see an action movie.
You don't want to, you know, kind
of slow I don't want to watch
Ps Adam: the same game again.
I
Ps Vance: mean, at the end of the day, one
of the most successful movie franchises
in the world is Fast and the Furious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause,
Arun: cause at the end of the
day, everybody's like, that's so
unrealistic, but it's so cool.
Yeah, it really is.
I feel like it's such a split camp.
Either you're like, it's too over
the top and you love it, or it's
too over the top and you hate it.
I love it.
I love it.
Ps Vance: It's so
Ps Adam: good.
I'm on the other end.
I'm opposite of you guys.
I don't like Marvel because it's so good.
It's just stupid.
It's unrealistic.
Um, I like the first Fast and the Furious.
Oh yeah, it was cars.
From there they're like, well how
do we flip a car over another car?
And shoot somebody in the process.
Like, if you've ever been in
a car that's out of control,
you're hanging on for dear life.
Let alone, you're barrel rolling another
car and shooting someone in the process.
Arun: I feel like you haven't seen the
most recent ones when they go into space.
I feel like you haven't seen that.
Cause you're still on the road.
You're mad.
They just went into space with a
Ps Adam: car.
Arun: It's amazing.
No, it's crazy how that works,
but, um But you like Marvel, right?
I love it.
I remember one time you said you didn't
like it during a sermon, and I've
never been more crushed in my life.
No, there's a lot of people
Ps Adam: that hurt their
sensitivities, for sure.
It's like, what do you mean, you
can't just make up superpowers?
Arun: Yeah.
I don't know, it's an escape, it's nice.
It's nice.
But, speaking of, um, things that are
also going on in the news, Gemini,
um, Google had a big announcement.
Oh my goodness, the
biggest flop in the world.
It was incredible at first, you
know, they, it was gonna be the
most powerful AI tool out there.
Google's coming out fast,
which is rare for Google.
Usually they're like
Ps Adam: And Elon is loving this moment.
Ps Vance: He's loving
Arun: it.
Ripping them on Twitter.
You sent me the best meme.
So just for a little context for if
you haven't been following along.
Um, so Gemini dropped 1.
5.
And so what happened is
people started using it.
They started asking it questions
and started to notice that it was
very politically left leaning.
Um, and then a lot of the stuff
that came out was it would
start to ask for images of.
Uh, historically accurate white people
and it would generate not white people.
This is crazy.
It's just insane.
Like the founding fathers would ask,
who are the founding generators?
George Washington is African.
And it would just be like an Indian.
Yeah.
An African American.
What?
And it would just refuse to do it.
I think the craziest was it asked.
Gemini, uh, what was worse?
Was it Hitler's contributions
or Elon Musk's tweets?
And it wouldn't answer it.
Stop it.
It wouldn't, it would say
you have to, you know,
Ps Adam: stop it.
Yeah.
So, so this is like some
mad intentional programming.
You have to deprogram the internet.
It's learning module.
It's it's learning language has
to Almost be off fact, right?
And history and you have to intentionally
download a different narrative.
Yep.
Why?
Let me ask this question.
Why?
Why are you that left leaning
that you have to program and risk
your, like this, Disney did this.
Disney went woke, go broke, right?
So Disney did this woke thing.
And here we've got Google
who, let's be honest.
Is at a real time risk of
not existing in the future.
Ps Vance: I mean, the stock is dropping,
Ps Adam: but it could literally,
I mean, you go back 10 years
ago, you can think, Oh, I can't
imagine a world without Google.
But now that we've got AI,
we've got open AI, we've got
all these options for searching.
Google doesn't seem like a product
that is going to be around forever.
Yeah,
Ps Vance: it's interesting.
I mean, you, you got extremes, you
got maybe moderate views, I think,
you know, in extremes, there are.
questions about like, you know,
intentional diabolical plans, um,
you know, and things like that,
you know, spiritually, obviously
there's an element of truth to that.
I also think too, cause I
used to work at Google, right?
Um, I also think there's this.
Uh, phenomena where you get in such
an ecosystem and you grow deeper into
that bubble that you just become so
out of touch because I actually have
talked to people with a little bit
more of this kind of super progressive,
what people call woke type of mindset.
They don't understand when you say,
Oh man, that's pretty woke to them.
It's like, wait, that's just.
The way that we think,
you know what I mean?
Like there's almost this like a
little bit of ignorance of like,
what's wrong with that, you know?
Um, but then when it's highlighted to
the masses and it's so disconnected
from reality and you draw the lines
between the bubble and reality, it's
like really stark and it obviously
has a visceral reaction in society.
But I'm trying to think of
Ps Adam: like, you know, we're
speaking to people, we're at
Google, they're just down the road.
Yeah.
Right.
These are people that we
do life with every day.
Yeah, they they got kids.
Yeah, there's got to be a Is there
not a check in your spirit to go?
Hey, do I really want to
rewrite history so that my kids
grow up in a false reality?
And even on a basic thing whether you
want them to believe a narrative on or
not There's basic elements of history
that form how you do the future 100
percent right even Comedy and jokes.
Yeah is related to forefathers or
something that you need the real context
to get the future or the societal
ideas your So, dismantling that at a
structural level and there is no guilt
within you to go, Hey, I'm playing
with something really dangerous here
by trying to create a false narrative.
Ps Vance: I hope there's an awakening
of people at Google because we know
a lot of great people that work
at Google that are very reasonably
minded and just common sense.
So I hope there's a great awakening.
Um, and I hope that bubbles up
to leadership because everything
rises and falls that way.
Um, leadership at the end of the day.
And so whoever was the leader that
created the values for their learning
principles, not including things
like truth in their values, man,
somebody needs to be accountable for
Ps Adam: that.
But I'm asking, what do you
guys think is the end goal?
What's the motivation?
Like, why did it end up this way?
Because it can't be monetary.
Arun: I think it all comes
down to money, right?
Like the people
Ps Adam: that, but it seems like, so.
It's called anti monetary because you're,
you're guaranteeing to lose money.
We know so much now go woke, go broke.
You're, and it's proof again, it's a major
flop, but there has to be the intelligence
to go, Hey, we don't care about money.
We want to, what would be the
end goal if it's not money?
You think it is?
I
Arun: think it has to be because
they assume That, like, cancel
culture and whatever it is, you
have to appease to them because
they are, like, the loud minority.
And so, if they're going off saying,
oh, Google is not, you know, adhering
to these kind of principles and values.
So you
Ps Adam: honestly think that when Disney
make those decisions, when Bud Light
make their decisions, when Google make
their decisions, they think that the few
loud voices on Internet, because we're
going to blame the Internet, right?
Mm hmm.
It's the Internet that's empowered
the loud voice and the radicalist.
Mm hmm.
And what we're seeing right now is
middle America go, Hey, hang on.
No, no, no, no.
While you were doing crazy stuff, we
didn't care, but now that you're actually
starting to create policies, we care
that you think they really bought into
the fact that it's the few radical loud
voices that determine the direction of
Ps Vance: society.
I don't know if it's so much
that, um, as it is black rock.
owns like half of the S and P 500.
Right.
And so black rock is part of like
really inventing and propagating DEI.
Right.
And so if you have one of your major
stakeholders that has voting rights
and if they pull their money, you can
crash your stock and they're really
pushing an agenda for whatever reason.
Maybe there's other monetary
reasons that they're pursuing it.
You're going to think.
Ps Adam: Okay, so you're saying it's money
from the funding, not the profitability.
Correct.
Okay, well that's the orientation
that we need to determine here.
Yeah.
Because most products are going
to be built for profitability.
Right.
Okay, what's the, what's the
product going to do in the market?
So they really care less about how
it performs and more about just
locking up the funding in the initial.
Right.
Okay.
Ps Vance: I think
that
Arun: makes sense because like you
were saying, that those values then
come down from leadership and then
that's what create these biases that,
you know, your teams build, right?
So like everybody's talking
about AI is just a product
of the creator's bias, right?
And that's what we're seeing, right?
It's not the information that's out
there because Google has this, all
these policies in place to prevent,
you know, it's AI from producing.
Results that could cause controversy and
essentially that's what led to all this.
So BlackRock
Ps Adam: has shareholders, right?
So at what point is Is making
money become no longer the goal?
Because they've got so much money.
Is that still the orientation?
Hey, we still want you to make
returns at obscene amounts Or it's
like could we just have at it?
Ps Vance: Yeah, I don't know.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That, that is a question.
That is a question is like, you know, at
the day, who's leading these companies,
where are the underlying motives?
Um, and how do those motives
influence this downstream effect
Ps Adam: where, see, I
think that's how Rome falls.
I think when we talk about the modern
Roman empires, black rocks and empire.
And what happens is they end up falling
because they get lost in their agenda,
their motive, they become so wealthy,
they start eating like gluttons, and
they start, you know, taking their eye
off, you know, building and progressing.
And all it takes is a rating party
to come in with new ideas and
new ventures and new motivations.
And all of a sudden, that
whole empire crumbled.
Ps Vance: So true, huh?
I mean, You know, we talk
about innovation is one of the
underlying themes in this podcast.
It's actually so important to always
have a spirit of innovation or it leads
to a spirit of deterioration, right?
I mean, not even just with companies
like black rock in the modern
day, but institutions like the
Catholic church in the ancient day.
Right.
That's why cathedrals now are pretty much
just museums because nobody comes to mass.
Right.
Right.
You forgot the people
portion of the equation.
Plus
Ps Adam: they don't need
people to come to mass.
Exactly.
Ps Vance: Cause they're
the biggest real estate
Ps Adam: company in the world.
Exactly.
It's like, whether anybody shows up,
they'll still hold a mass, even if
it's for three grandmas in the place.
Yep.
Because there's no.
Is this
Arun: part of the issue
of just getting too big?
You just get too big and you can't
produce products with the same level
of excellence because there just
becomes too much noise that enters
the equation when you get so big?
I think
Ps Adam: that's possibly but I
think it comes down to vision.
OK.
So.
You can get big where maybe all your
bills are covered and the finances aren't
an issue, but what's your motivation?
Is it to expand the globe?
Is it this is why the Great
Commission is the greatest mission?
Yes, because the Commission is go
Into the whole world like until there
is still people that haven't heard
the gospel our mission isn't done Mm
hmm And so I think it's it's about
how do we be smart along the process
and how do we actually get to a rate?
Of expansion where we can be more
effective But I think until there is it's
not just about a mission of can we return
money to investors or can we you know?
Achieve a certain level of market cap.
What we need is we need
to keep reaching people.
Ps Vance: That's so true.
Uh, in this case, in Google's case, right?
Um, there's clearly someone or a team or
a whole department that had mission drift.
Because I remember when I joined
Google as a Noogler, Larry Page,
the CEO at the time, reminding us
the mission of the company, right?
To organize the world's information and
to make it universally accessible to
Ps Adam: all.
So that's a major mission drift then.
Because they're not organizing the world's
Arun: information.
It might be like an exact opposite.
Opposite, literally the
Ps Vance: opposite.
It's confused
Ps Adam: the world's information.
Wow.
Not organized.
Ps Vance: Wow.
It's literally in
opposition to the mission.
How
Arun: does, how does it, how do you
think it got to that point where it
drifted that far without anybody?
Because most of those major stakeholders
are still the original stakeholders,
Ps Vance: right?
Well, Larry's not running it.
The founder's not
Arun: running it.
But there's still a part of, you
know, making sure this happens.
They appointed Sundar to
kind of run, run all that.
And you would think that, you
know, that mission, at least from
that level down, should But then
it's drifted so far that Yeah.
You know, how does that happen when
you're kind of growing and how do
you prevent that from happening?
Like now, you know,
you're entering Series B.
Eventually that'll kind of
progress as you go down.
Are there like things that you're
doing to make sure that this
doesn't happen for your company?
Ps Vance: Well, I think part of
it is that You know, with anything
like crypto with anything like AI,
there's a huge element of hype, right?
And this happens in ministry
to where you just start seeing
everybody trying to copy The next
person that's kind of popping off.
Yeah right now and it comes off so
inauthentic That you know, that's not
sustainable, you know what I mean?
And so there's a, at a very
greater business level, I feel
like that's happening here.
It's like all these different gold
rushes, gold rushes, and we're not
actually contextualizing it for,
Hey, what were we created to do?
What was our mission?
What's our unique perspective on this?
Oh no, no, we're just
trying to beat that person.
You know what I mean?
I don't know what your take.
Ps Adam: No, I think,
I think mission drift.
Will happen naturally, right?
I think you need a constant realignment.
Yeah.
That's why in any company where
as if the founder is not present,
constantly reminding of this is
what we're doing here is the target.
You will literally just get
naturally a mission drift.
People will, you'll go to the least
resistant pathways like a river, but
as a visionary or a CEO, your job is
to keep the stream running uphill.
You're going against culture.
This is the target.
So I'm still, I'm building banks all the
time with cultural statement, vision.
Distinctives.
This is what we're doing.
We're resurfacing it.
We're getting creative.
We're putting it on merch.
We're putting in front of people.
We're talking about it in a
thousand different ways so that
it gets into people, the moment
that stops, you start diluting.
And before you know it, it happens
incrementally, but before you
know it, you're creating a woke.
And you're actually not
just off, you're in reverse.
You're now undoing what you've
built for the last 20 years.
That's crazy.
Crazy.
And that's literally, if we, if
it's that confusing and the mission
of Google has been to organize
the world's information, now we're
confusing the world's information.
How can we trust the product of Google
that if I go to Google to find out about
the four founders and I'm getting weird
things, well, let me go somewhere else.
Right.
Let me go somewhere accurate.
Yeah.
And that's a dangerous place for Google.
Yeah.
And I
Arun: heard this comment that, um,
you know, any price is good press, you
know, now people know what Gemini is.
They're talking about it, but
I don't think that matters.
Google doesn't need this kind of
press to get their name out now.
Like I said, this is really
for when you're that big.
Yeah.
Now people aren't going to use you.
There's, there's other
competitors out there.
I, for one, for sure, I'm
just going to go to chat,
Ps Adam: you know.
Well, that's, that was
the comment last week.
Yeah.
So, with my friends, and they have
an amazing, uh, nine year old,
uh, and he's just one of the most
intelligent nine year olds ever.
I actually love having
conversations with him.
But one of the Think we
wanted to find something.
He said, I'm just gonna pull up Jet GPT.
Mm-Hmm.
. He didn't say let's Google it, right?
Mm.
I don't even remember the
last time I Googled something.
That's what I'm saying.
His default search engine now is chat.
Mm-Hmm.
. So let's chat it.
Let's go chat.
I'm like, let's chat.
Oh, jet GPT.
Mm-Hmm.
. But that was the natural go-to Mm-Hmm.
. So, so interesting.
They've already lost the next generation.
Oh yeah.
And
Arun: I think this is like the
issue going into it, right?
Google was, so they've had this.
So a lot of people.
Just sitting there in their kind of midst.
But they were so worried about what it
would do to search that they weren't
willing to launch it themselves.
And now Open AI has like pushed that.
That's a good point man.
To a hundred.
And now Google's trying to catch
up and figure out what can we do.
And now this is like.
So where's
Ps Adam: the failure to launch there?
They were sitting on a
Arun: wealth of.
And they still are.
Their tech is incredible.
Like they could still fix it.
Um, but we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.
They have, they probably
have the best tech out there.
Like, they have the best researchers.
I mean, you've seen the text to
Ps Adam: video
Arun: though.
Oh, yeah, we gotta talk about OpenAI Sora.
That is insane.
That's crazy.
That is really, really insane.
That's just fun.
It is fun.
Not like scary in a way that
I want to scare people off.
Um, but it's just so easy now to generate
stuff and you have to be so aware of
what you're watching now on the internet.
Yeah.
You have to be, because it
could just be fake, completely
Ps Adam: fake.
That's, I think that's really scary.
Like, how do you know what's authentic?
How do you know what's generated?
Because it is so good.
Yeah.
Um, I think, does it matter?
Did
Arun: you hear that story about
that finance worker that got, um,
so he's working for a company and
somebody deep faked their CFO?
And got him to pay out 25 mil.
What?
What?
Wait,
Ps Vance: no, no, tell us the story.
Okay, so
Arun: yeah, so basically this finance
worker, um, was on a series of
video calls with a deepfaked version
of his CFO and other coworkers.
Got convinced him to then pay out 25
million dollars of the company's money.
Out to this scammer and so like,
and he was, he was aware that
there's something wrong, but the,
the fakes were so intentional.
He thought he was on with the CFO.
He was on with the CFO.
And I've actually been talking to
some of our founders as well, who have
been getting impersonated as well.
This is just getting
fully rampant on Telegram.
If you're on Telegram, be very careful.
There's a lot of people that are
imitating your voice really easily now.
If you have any content on the
internet, it's very easy to do
Ps Adam: okay.
This is another push for in person.
Arun: Oh yeah, if this is, if
that's not a call for in person,
Ps Adam: I don't know what is.
Let's go back to in person gatherings,
Arun: in person.
Yeah, so if you're growing, if
you're out there with, you know, any
digital platform, just be careful
what, what content you're doing.
Just ask.
Just, you
Ps Vance: know,
Ps Adam: maybe just ask.
So, so do we need to come up with code
Arun: words?
Yeah.
We were talking about internally.
And then we need internal code words.
There's got to be some signatures
you do, some handshake you do
that only you and that person
Ps Adam: know.
Hezekiah123.
Okay.
Yeah.
Safe words.
Yeah.
Safe
Arun: words.
But yeah, no, it's crazy.
I think, I think it's like.
It's exciting where this world is
going, but it's, it's also a little bit,
if you're not fully aware and you're
not really learning what's happening
right now, you will be a victim of
the change that's happening right now.
Wow.
Ps Vance: Yeah, that's
Ps Adam: for sure.
Yeah, it's a wild world.
Development, you know,
I mean, is accelerating.
Yeah.
The world is, uh, sometimes you
feel like you're ahead, sometimes
you feel like you're catching up.
Oh.
You ever do that?
You ever feel like, oh man, I'm
so ahead of the curve and then,
oh no, no, I'm so far behind.
Yeah.
Arun: Yeah.
And now more than ever, I feel
like things are advancing so much.
It's funny because, um, after one of our
podcasts, you guys were talking about
how important deeper connections was.
Um, and I was thinking of building
out an app for basically a Rolodex
to, that's powered with AI.
So you input information with people
that you meet, little snippets, and
then AI can then take that and give
you, um, suggestions for how to
maintain these deeper connections.
Cause I think a lot of the things
that happen right now is that,
but then I thought about it more,
is it really cool or does that?
Lessen the deeper connection
because that content is generated.
Hmm.
So, and the reason I say that is
'cause LinkedIn, I think there's
a Chrome extension basically for
you to generate like replies to
messages and all this kind of stuff.
And I saw somebody going through
just replying to all of these
LinkedIn messages with Autogenerated,
like, oh, congratulations.
Or, oh, it's great that you're doing
this, and they're like a little bit
more sophisticated to what the Post
was about and then it's just gonna be
spam everywhere across all your stuff.
Yeah.
And so does it, does it
lessen the deeper connection?
It's, this is like a nice tool, but
then I was like, ah, I don't know.
It ruins what you guys
are trying to gain for
Ps Adam: it.
Well I mean, now you're making an argument
for is, you know, recording Arun's
birthdate in my calendar authentic or not.
No, because I want to know Oh, it's Arun's
birthday, I'm going to shoot you a text.
Um, whether you think I just remembered
or I saw it on my calendar that doesn't
matter, the fact that I reached out.
And I think that if I was prompted Um,
and to, as a reminder, hey, connect with
Arun because my authentic position is
I want a deeper connection with Arun.
But my memory and my, the chaos
of my life might not afford me
to do that with the capacity.
So I think that these are the
The superpowers that are helpful.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm excited for the element of
augmented reality to maybe expand the
way that our brain works, you know,
um, and playing around with the app
of vision pro just a little bit, the
ability to be able to overlay multiple
screens on top of actual reality.
Um, you know, zoom back into immersive
reality and things like that, and be able
to multitask actually the visualization
of it and the immersive experience.
I do feel like my brain works
in a different way, right?
Where I see this message, I'm watching
this video, I have Slack up, I have
email and all that type of stuff.
And it's kind of like why people
have multiple screens when you're
a developer like you, right?
Is because just, Oh, okay, cool.
This helps me actually be more
productive in the same way.
I do think there's an unlock there.
With augmented reality as well, you know,
Ps Adam: I agree.
I think by nature, we're
reactive as humans.
Yeah.
We react to what's in front of us.
We react to what's in
our immediate vicinity.
So to become proactive, we
need a reactive element.
So a reactive element might be a reminder.
It might be a good a force function.
And then I can be proactive as
a force function of reactive.
So I think what your your app
would produce is, I think it
would It would become negative
if it did the message for you.
Okay,
Arun: that's what I
was thinking initially.
Okay.
To automate some of that, but.
Ps Adam: And then, and then Arun comes,
Hey man, thanks for that birthday message.
Oh right, you don't even know.
Hey bud, no, when was that again?
You know.
Right, right.
I think that does take the
human element out of it.
But I think if it's, the goal is
to create deeper connection, but
I have to make the connection.
Yeah.
Arun: That makes sense, yeah.
So it gives you kind of like.
So don't take that step of automating it
because you need that kind of step there,
but it's suggestions and you can kind of
go through and, okay, this makes sense.
Cause I like proactive
Ps Adam: people.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I, if I would rather someone try and
get, Hey, can I get into your calendar?
Oh, love to.
Rather than go, Hey, you haven't
talked to me in six months.
Like, Oh man, like just, all you
have to do is reach out, you know?
So it's, it's forcing
people to be proactive.
Ps Vance: Yeah, I like the embracing
of technology in that, right?
Okay, so I love your guys take on this.
Do you guys still believe
in hand writing your notes?
Like actually when you're taking
notes you're in a meeting.
Oh and writing your notes.
Mm hmm I personally
Arun: haven't done that and I can't even
Ps Vance: remember.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, and then I the other day one
of my staff was like Doing that and
then I was just like wow that is so
much more inefficient because now I
want that in slack and you have to
retype that up You know what I mean?
So it's kind of like,
Arun: Oh wow, that's so nice.
Ps Adam: That's such an artist at work.
No,
Arun: it's inefficient, right?
Yeah, definitely.
100%.
I don't, I'm now, I don't
even want to type it.
I do.
Oh, really?
I'm a to do
Ps Adam: list guy.
Oh, okay.
Got it.
Yeah.
So I do a daily to do list on
paper and I don't finish until
I've crossed them all off.
Ps Vance: When you're sermon prepping
though, do you go straight digital?
No, I go straight
Ps Adam: paper.
Really?
So I box.
Okay.
But I've got a very unique sermon process.
I, I met boxes cause I'm
mapping a story and an end.
And then once I've done conceptual,
then I take it to computer.
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
Arun: Good.
Yeah.
And like at this point, like the more
everything is becoming even more digital.
So I'm like, now I don't even type.
Now I just record and I have it auto
transcribe and then auto summarize.
So like everything is,
Ps Vance: we just
Arun: think now we just think
I don't even have to move.
I'm just going to
Ps Adam: be, but my worry with that is.
I think chaotic.
I need, I've got so many thoughts.
I need to order them on paper.
Yeah.
So then I get, that's what I
Ps Vance: That's going
to be what it is, huh?
Like you're just going to be
able to, you're going to have
Neuralink with the Apple Vision Pro.
And when you think you're
going to have all these boxes,
Ps Adam: it's just going to be chaotic.
Visualize your boxes are popping up.
Yeah.
Arun: That'd be pretty cool.
I mean, I think.
Who knows where we're going to
be able to go with that, right?
Cause there's
Ps Vance: so many parts of our brain.
I feel like we haven't unlocked.
I think that's part of what
I'm excited about, right?
Is unlocking new parts of our brain.
I don't know if you guys
have seen on Apple TV.
It's an original, uh, drops of God.
It's all about wine.
But it's about this savant.
She grew up with one of the best kind
of, uh, wine connoisseurs in the world.
Um, and he taught her at a very young age
how to smell, how to distinguish different
smells, mint, lavender, uh, leather.
You know, all these different smells and
it was like this hardcore training that
she did when she was very, very young.
Um, and now in adult age, uh,
because there was like this kind of
trauma period where she wasn't doing
it, but she's unlocking it again.
And Apple, uh, does a really
good job of illustrating what's
happening in her brain, right?
So when she's smelling the wine.
This explosion that's happening
in her brain where she's going
through the different bowel cabinets
and pulling out that smell that
she knows how to distinguish.
Right.
And these are skills that certain
people have honed in, but it's
because they've just unlocked
a certain piece of our brain.
Like we all have it.
It's just, we haven't honed it in.
Right.
Right.
That's why, you know, you can tell
the difference between somebody that
really knows one and doesn't because
of their pallets not as developed.
Right.
But everybody has that
pallet to an extent.
Yeah.
Right.
Is it
Ps Adam: developed or is it a cataloging?
You know, because Kira's really
great with, with, literally we'll
go wine tasting, and uh, they're
like, what's it smell like?
And I'm like, grape.
Um, but Kira's picking out
peach, and she's picking out
clay, you know, whatever it is.
And I'm just like, and
they're like, yes, yes.
And I just throw a word
out, I throw out asparagus.
You know what I mean?
They're like, no.
But, you know what I mean?
Like, I thought we were
just getting creative.
But, like, she is dialed
with her, her cataloging.
Yeah.
And I'm smelling the same
things, I just didn't have a
Ps Vance: reference point.
No, that's what I'm saying.
That catalog I'm saying is like, it's part
of the way that our brain's organized.
And it's just honing that
in, it's tapping that in.
And I think naturally, probably we
all have different ways that our
brains make connections, right?
Some people are just very visual people.
They have kind of
photographic type memories.
Some people have the scent.
You know, dialed in a lot more, but all of
that, I think, I'm not a neuroscientist,
but I'm pretty sure is connected to our
ability to unlock portions of our brain.
I know,
Arun: I 100 percent agree, but I wonder
now, as you were saying that, if we lose
some of that, because we won't I don't
have to experience a lot of this because
a lot of this is just available through
new like technologies that come around,
like how many people need to then identify
different smells and might not go through
that experience to learn that because
now you have a tool that does it for you.
Well, let me take you
Ps Adam: this one.
On Sunday when I was preaching with the
Vision Pro, I took us to Yosemite, and it
was, it Amazing like even on the screen,
but in the vision pro you literally
like yeah Now for someone who's been to
yosemite a bunch of times i'm like wow,
I feel like i'm there will we get to the
point where we don't feel like we have to
go and experience the real thing because
The prosthetic thing is just as amazing
Arun: My wife will yell at me
for this, but I've been saying
this for like, a long time.
She came from Australia here.
She probably visited San Francisco
maybe two to three times.
And I didn't show her
the Golden Gate Bridge.
Cause like, in my mind, if you're gonna go
do something, it's gotta be an experience.
Like, you know, if you're gonna go,
there's gotta be some activity plus that.
Not just go see it.
I'm like, if you go, you could
just see this on Google Images.
You could just pull it up, and
you could put it on a cardboard.
Or, you know, Google, at
that time, Google Cardboard.
Watch it and you know, an immersive
experience, but I actually
think that's going to happen.
I think there's going to be a world
where you don't need to go just see.
something, if you're not doing
something in the area, and you can
get that same kind of experience.
Ps Adam: Right.
And how many people could just
put on the vision program?
I have been to Yosemite.
You haven't really, but
you've been there virtually.
Right, but it's a very similar experience.
But what you are missing is when you're
in Yosemite, that pine smell, those,
those, those visceral experiences that.
You don't just get in the escape of the
Ps Vance: visual and it's interesting.
I do think that there's
this whole visual, right?
And then people are pursuing this
physiological now too, right?
In this era where we're
pretty comfortable, right?
There's this whole movement
of cold plunges, right?
And I did one of these for the
first time a couple of months ago,
uh, with a mutual friend of ours.
And it was just so funny because I was,
I dipped in, it was like 42 degrees.
It was cold, man.
It was cold.
It was my first time.
And, and I go in and he's coaching
me through, he's like, we're,
our bodies are meant to struggle.
It doesn't get harder than this.
Unlock the, you know, he's like, he's
like, he's like coaching me through.
He's like, we're meant to suffer.
It's like, you know, he's like made
it spiritually suffer with Christ.
It's just like, I'm just like, shut up.
I'm so cold right now.
And I think I'm catching the flu.
Like I felt sick after, but, um,
but it's funny because, uh, there
are some physiological benefits.
Uh, cause I've done it a couple of
times since then where it unlocks
something I feel like neurology.
Cerebrally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: Well, I can
think about as get out.
That's all I could think
when I was doing it.
Like just get out, get out.
And it's literally fighting the
natural instincts to just get out.
Right.
I had to like, Tell my brain.
No, you're staying in.
Yeah, because my body's just just get
Ps Vance: out now, and I think that's
part of the Science behind it right
like part of it is like, okay If you
do that as the first thing that you
do you can do any other hard thing.
Yeah, there's a mental There's a
physical and there's a mental component.
I get
Ps Adam: that but I'm wondering
what is a a good trigger of fight or
flight You know, that I'm, that I'm,
you know, I guess, uh, turning off.
Good question.
Cause in a setting like that, if I
dull my flight sense, good question.
Am I actually dulling
my sense of, of safety?
Ps Vance: Yeah, I totally agree with that.
Cause I do think there's going to be this.
Um, evolution, right?
Of people realizing that they're
like killing their dopamine glands.
Yeah, right, right.
It's kind of like if you're a glutton,
let's just take that as an example.
If you're a glutton and you're just
every day you're eating caviar, that
caviar is not going to taste as good.
You know what I mean?
So there is this idea.
And that's why I feel like, you
know, you are just in Japan.
You know, there is a sense of yin and
yang, Eastern philosophies, right?
It's not like what we subscribe to
religiously, but there is this idea of
balance and understanding That hey, there
is a there's a balance to these things.
There's a season to these things You want
to you want to ebb and flow with that?
Arun: Oh for sure I think what our society
and technologies kind of got to this
point where There's just this dopamine
drip of, like, content that you get,
and it's like, everything is a scroll,
everything is new, everything is go, go,
go, go, go, go, and you just, you become
desensitized to what actually can fill
you, and so, like, you have to do these
things where now it's like, maybe I need
a cold plunge, like, give myself, my body
some, like, some, like, awakening to be
like, okay, now I can do something else.
Ps Adam: It's interesting, right,
because, um, even walking down a long
hallway, like, here at the church,
we've got this long, super long hallway.
I'm walking from one end, up this
end, down to the overflow office
and I've got like about 30 seconds
to check something on my phone.
Yes.
Instead of just walking from point
A to point B, visually, I've got 30
seconds, let me search something.
You know what I mean?
And it's, it's like that constant,
like imagine just sitting on a
bus or a plane and just sitting.
Oh.
Thinking.
We need to be watching a movie.
We need to be connecting to the internet.
Yeah.
We need to be, you know, answering emails.
It's literally a non stop.
Non stop, yeah.
Dopamine hit of fill that time,
use that time, be effective.
Here's the, here's the
question that I've got in this.
What is the, what is the space of,
you know this old word, musing?
Just musing.
Oh yeah.
Just thinking.
Mm hmm.
Where do you get that space?
We need that.
Where do you get that, that space,
just that freedom to think and allow
thought to just permeate rather than
fill it with answers, questions,
blah, blah, blah, is in getting
inspiration from everybody else.
But do we just have time to think
about concepts, concepts of God,
concepts of creation, concepts about
our spirituality, concepts about.
Who do I want to be in this world?
What kind of legacy do I want to leave?
And I think sometimes the chaos Actually
can be solved by just thinking moments
Ps Vance: I love that.
That's really good.
It's a good word.
I mean, be still and know that I am God.
That's exactly right.
It's um, it's a principle, you know, and
we, you know, you got to schedule it.
You got to be intentional about it, but
finding those moments, I think it's so
Ps Adam: key.
Yeah.
I mean, I recently put a thing
out where I tried to, I try
to give phrases for people.
And for me, it was, uh,
no Bible, no breakfast.
This is just a habit for me
that I'm like, I've just made a
discipline because I like that.
Breakfast.
Um, but let me hold that back
and put a priority of Bible
and it's become a principle.
What if it's like we could come up with
one that's about just taking time to
think, you know, be still before email
or whatever it is, you know, like there
is like these things that we actually,
we do a leverage play for me to get that
reward because the dopamine hit comes
can come from checking emails, getting
ahead, feeling like I'm productive.
They're all dopamine hits,
but for me to get that reward.
What if I did something that's
beneficial before I get there?
It's beautiful.
Arun: Yeah.
I think you've got to sit in that
as well, because I think even before
the cold point, I think a lot of like
one of the motivational strategies
was I'm going to make a to do list.
You put some easy stuff at the top
and you cross that off to start your
day, success, make your bed or like,
I don't know, brush your teeth.
And those are like the ones that you hit.
And then you just naturally
feel like I've accomplished.
So now I can go accomplish harder tasks.
Yes.
Um, but that'd be really
interesting to say.
The thing I do every day to start
the day is maybe not a cold shower.
It's, I'm just going to
have some time to think, you
Ps Adam: know, I was talking to our staff
this morning and, uh, someone asked what,
what have, what, uh, patterns did you set
in your teenage years that have helped
you with capacity in your later years?
And, and, you know, I, I found that
disciplines are difficult to do, but once
somebody becomes a habit, cause we're
creatures of habit and we have habits,
a habit is an automatic discipline.
Good or bad.
Yeah.
Okay.
So my habit if I can actually
create do something disciplined
enough where it's a habit a habit
of mine Now is waking up at 5 a.
m It's a habit.
It's not even I can cure it gets annoyed
because I don't even set the alarm and we
could be traveling I still wake up at 5 a.
m And and it's just become so automatic
and it actually is now not work So
I wonder what good habits you could
form that will maybe start as a
discipline, but now it's just habitual.
It's beautiful.
Mm hmm.
I love that.
I think there's a superhuman hack, right?
Ps Vance: That is.
That is.
Arun: And it's cool because
you can just do it yourself.
You don't need I don't need a
Ps Vance: Neuralink.
You just have to train yourself.
But that's
Arun: the issue with people.
Especially this generation, lazy.
Why would I do it when I can just
get something plugged into my head?
So, alright, well that's
a good place to end it.
Before we go, this is going to
be dropped right before Focon.
Let's go get to Focon.
Do you want to do one last pitch?
I know there's some new
people that have been added.
If you don't, follow Hype Network,
follow Pastor Adam, follow Pastor Vance.
There's new people being added to this.
The panel looks incredible.
Oh, it's going to be so good.
Ps Vance: Last pitch.
My gosh, Chi Hua Chen.
He is the managing partner,
founder of Goodwater Capital.
Probably one of the most
exciting venture firms.
Oh, for sure.
In the Silicon Valley.
Doing great things.
Incredible.
I mean, he was part of teams that
invested into Facebook, TikTok, when it
was called ByteDance, Spotify, right?
Mackie Saturday, he invented
the brand for Instagram.
Nancy Duarte, legend,
Silicon Valley legend.
She has coached, uh, some of the
top CEOs, founders in the Silicon
Valley on how to do presentations.
Her presentation design company, James
Jacob, he goes to our church, but also
executive producer has, um, you know,
produced movies that have been in
thousands of theaters across the world.
Dino Rizzo.
Dino Rizzo, the scale master himself,
alongside Pastor Adam talking about
how to scale your organization.
Both of these people have planted
many, many churches around the world.
I mean, You know, if you are an
entrepreneur, creator, maker,
innovator, if you are a pastor
with an entrepreneurial mindset
and you're not at flow con.
You're going to have FOMO.
I'm just telling
Ps Adam: you right now.
And we originally thought this was going
to be like a boutique kind of experience.
We thought, let's just
plan for 200 people.
We blew that out.
Out of the water.
And, uh, and then we had a leadership
lunch on the Thursday that we thought,
let's just keep it at 50 people.
That sold out.
so fast.
We doubled it.
Yeah.
And now we're sold out.
We've got a hundred people.
The
Ps Vance: only reason we're selling it
out is because we just were trying to
plan for breakfast with the stewards and
Ps Adam: it's just, it's a piece of bacon.
It's
Ps Vance: crazy.
Um, but it's going to be fun.
Uh, you know, more than just the
content, we say one connection of your
breakthrough, maybe the content unlocks
a connection for you, but more so.
Uh, we have intentionally designed
spaces and in the schedule times
where y'all can cross connect.
And that's really our heart is that you
find somebody that can unlock something.
Um, and if we all come in with
a kingdom mindset, leaning in,
looking to give, looking to serve.
I think something special, somebody
asked me, what's the win of flow con?
What's the win of these hype sessions?
I said, you know what?
In the next decade.
Uh, when we, you know, read the
headlines, maybe in our augmented
reality devices, um, we see people,
the next Apple, Tesla, you know,
Meta, Google, but kingdom minded.
And they're going to be like, man, I
made a connection at this one conference
in the heart of the Silicon Valley
and it changed my whole orientation
by why I'm pursuing business.
That would be
Ps Adam: success.
Yeah, I mean, the word that I feel going
into FloatCon, and this may end up being
a theme for future FloatCons, is unlock.
Good.
It's an unlock.
It's getting in an environment, there
may be an idea that unlocks something, or
maybe a connection that unlocks something.
But you need to be in
environments that unlock you.
Yeah.
Right.
And, uh, that's gonna be one key
Arun: element.
Well, I'm excited for everybody
that is able to attend . Cheers
guys, great episode.
Bless.