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In Ecclesiastes 3:11, we read that God makes everything beautiful in its time. It is comforting to know that nothing is wasted in God's economy, but all of it will be used for our good and His glory. You're invited to join us for poignant conversations and compelling interviews centered on believing for His beauty in every season.
Shannon Scott (00:01.141)
Well, hey friends, welcome back to the Everything Made Beautiful podcast. So glad that you're joining us today. And I'm super glad that you are getting to hear from my friend, Tim Timmons, author, worship leader, pastor, former church staff member for lots and lots of years. We have that in common. But most recently the
Subject of the new film I can only imagine to, which is out in theaters now, everybody's got to go see it. We're going to talk about it. Tim, welcome to the podcast.
Tim (00:38.062)
Let's go. I'm ready. I'm so ready. I'm stretched. I've limber I've not been yoga. That was a lash. That was the first lie. My second thing was a lie. That's that's a tough start. But thanks for having me on.
Shannon Scott (00:42.915)
You're limber, you're limber.
Shannon Scott (00:52.715)
Yeah, that's okay. It's okay. It only goes up from here. Well, we have had so much fun recently. We've gotten to shoot a lot of content that everybody can go see on Kavah supporting the movie and your story. But as fun as that has been, I wanted to have you on the podcast because on this show, we are constantly pointing to the ways that God is making everything beautiful in its time.
Tim (00:56.418)
Totally, it really does.
Shannon Scott (01:22.583)
And I always tell people that that Ecclesiastes passage that says that God is making everything beautiful doesn't automatically mean it's going to look beautiful to us necessarily because it's going to be beautiful to him. It's going to be used for our good, his glory. And your story is one of the most palpable expressions of that that I have seen recently because you were given five years to live over two decades ago.
So that is a long time to live between what is essentially a death sentence and this miracle of the last several decades. So God making everything beautiful in its time. Your story is a living, breathing example of that tension because you have not been considered healed. You are still living with cancer.
Tim (02:02.382)
Yeah, yeah.
Shannon Scott (02:15.991)
Some might call it borrowed time, whatever you would call it. Obviously we trust in the sovereignty of God, so we're not borrowing anything that he's not giving us. But what has this season taught you about God's timeline, our timeline and all those spaces in between?
Tim (02:29.71)
Hmm.
Yeah, that's great question. I don't know what it's taught me. You you've heard me say this a few times that I'm trying to use less words and ideas with ending an ED. Like I've learned, I've figured out, but I'm trying to use more with ing and then like I'm learning, I'm processing, I'm figuring out, I'm in the process. And so what I'm learning
Shannon Scott (02:39.641)
Okay.
Shannon Scott (02:46.53)
Right.
Tim (03:00.482)
Gosh, too many things. was the one that just came to me before I got all excited about the inged thing. yeah, I mean, I think my favorite part of this, so there are still tumors on my liver, as you said, wearing out my heart and there's something there's something so special sounds like such a dumb word to say, but sacred special, inviting
uh, that in sobering that this stuff does in me. Like, I had a friend the other day who's like, I almost got in an accident the other day and I, you know, and he was telling the story that I tell all the time. I'm always like, so if you almost got an accident, you're like, oh, I'm so thankful for my kids today or my, job. I'm like this car. I'm so thankful for this car. You just have this sober moment. And he was telling me this story and I, you just told it to me straight. Like he said all the words that I will always say. And he was so sober in that moment.
And I just want to live more sober and this cancer diagnosis that's in me and People are always like don't say I have cancer say that you know what? I'm like, I get it. I totally get it and Yet there's cancer in me. I'm not gonna like will it away by not saying that there's stuff that's at work here yet Jesus's work is like So much more beautiful whether I wake up tomorrow morning or not His work in these
Shannon Scott (04:02.689)
Yeah, that's good.
Shannon Scott (04:26.551)
Yeah, so good.
Tim (04:28.214)
So and this was what I was going to get at. So sorry that I just went so around your whole question. The thing I'm most excited about is I quit working for God 15 years ago. And that's kind of when I started writing this X on my wrist and which we'll talk about more I'm sure. But I started writing this X because I was sick of working for God and trying to be awesome for God and evangelize for God which I'm actually not even a big fan of evangelism.
Biblically and that's a whole conversation. That's your podcast and people probably just turn it off going, gosh, that guy's going straight to hell. But it's a very valid conversation. But I just, worked for him for so long. I was trying to write songs for him. was trying to like do so many good things so that people would come into my club. And the more that I just was like, I'm exhausted. My soul's exhausted. I'm just going to hang out with you, Jesus. I'm done working for you. I will join you for the rest of my days. Whatever you open up.
Shannon Scott (04:57.731)
That's a different podcast episode.
Tim (05:25.59)
If it's best for your kingdom, you open that door. So for me to be sitting here talking to you because there's a movie about my life is way more fun because I didn't open these doors. I'm just joining him and what he's doing. And this just happens to be my story today. But let's talk in two years when I'm working at Starbucks or something. And it's like, man, that was so cool. And like, I know, but I got to like love somebody at Starbucks today. That's my gift today. So if I can live that sober, that's like my aim.
Shannon Scott (05:38.231)
Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (05:56.897)
love for you to because I love that you referenced the X and so any of you that are only listening to this podcast and are not on YouTube watching it go watch it so that you can see the X and even better than that watch the movie but you
Tim (06:09.56)
Yeah, and see how good I am. Really, it's hard to like hear my voice and go, wow, that guy's good looking. But when you see the movie, you're like, that is so good looking. How is how is he playing this ugly dork? OK, continue.
Shannon Scott (06:16.333)
Yeah.
You
But I'd love for you to talk about, you know, it would be easy for somebody to go, well, yeah, it's real easy for you to put an X on your wrist and join God when it's a movie. But you did not put an X on your wrist and the next day someone called you and asked to make a movie about your life. talk about, let's talk about the X now.
Why did you decide to start using it and what does it mean to you every day? And how can other people pick it up and use it or something like it as their own reminder?
Tim (06:53.004)
Yeah, so good. So I started writing this that the X stood for the Christ years ago. That was just one of like the symbols for the Christ. So people get all in a tizzy about X mess like, well, it's not Xmas. It's Christmas. Well, the X stood for the Christ. Again, throw rocks at me if you need. But the X stood for the Christ. I was just so sick of my kingdom being the number one thing that I was aimed at. And I said this the other day and I was like, that's so good. I will keep that too.
that I think my goal in my life as I worked for God for so long, and you know, we've both worked in really big church contexts and big church, big institutional context, which are awesome. Like we bless those things. And but I think where you and I and I'll just speak for myself, I This was no, no fault of anybody else's no institution's fault. My fault is I got too like, focused in on I don't think what Jesus was focusing on. And so the X was like,
Shannon Scott (07:34.145)
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Shannon Scott (07:49.793)
Yeah, so good.
Tim (07:52.396)
Tim, you are building your own little suburb in the kingdom of God. Like I had my cool, I was trying to build this cool suburb that was going to make God look awesome in his kingdom. And it just doesn't seem to work like that. Like that is it's so, it's so Western. That is so like Western Christianity to build my kingdom for the kingdom of God. God, look what I'm doing for you. And that jacked me up. And so I remember
Shannon Scott (08:12.983)
Yeah.
Tim (08:22.41)
looking at my neighbor who is an atheist going, okay, this guy has more joy than I have. He can like, persevere through things more than I can. But he doesn't have the Spirit of God that I'm saying I've got. And that I'm like living with yet I'm writing all these cool songs for God and I'm doing all these cool things for him yet I still have cancer. And I'm exhausted. My soul is tired. And that's that's when I quit working for him.
Shannon Scott (08:47.724)
Yeah.
Tim (08:50.54)
I was like this sex sex working for God, I'll never do it again. This. And so I just went on an experiment just writing this every morning an X on my wrist every morning. Just saying Tim, this is not about your kingdom today. My favorite song, one of my favorite songs I've ever written is called only one standing. It's on my first record. And it's the last song on my first record and the chorus says essentially says so God I surrender all would you let my kingdom fall my little suburb fall.
Shannon Scott (08:52.481)
Yeah.
Tim (09:18.294)
So years alone will be the only one standing at the end of my day. So all day long, I'm still paying attention to my kingdom and to my suburb. But I think God's like, dude, seek first the kingdom of God, and I'll work things out. I'm at work in all things. What if I know what's best for the kingdom? that really was my Tim, let's just experiment. Let's just try and see if practicing the way of Jesus in my day actually would bring something that I'm not experiencing, which is the actual fruit of the spirit.
Shannon Scott (09:21.922)
Mm.
Tim (09:48.782)
So I have been putting this into practice for 15 years for nobody's benefit but mine but for everybody's benefit around me. So, you know, the Bible as we know is not to us. It's not like to this individual like, hey, this is to Shannon or Tim today. Like we get to look in and see the heart and character of God through this. But he was talking to certain groups and
Shannon Scott (09:59.946)
Yeah, that's good.
Tim (10:14.31)
And yet every single you in the New Testament except for Timothy or Barnabas is a y'all. It's not like you just you every time we read our scriptures. We're like, this is the Tim but it's for us as a community. Even the fruit of the spirit is not for me. It's for you Shannon today. It's for the guy that's cut me off. It's for my kids that I would have patience. So it's for the other. So I'm just I want to live more sober and this X helps me practice
Shannon Scott (10:30.817)
Yeah.
Tim (10:41.038)
the heart of God in my days because I forget it and I want to build my own kingdom, so
Shannon Scott (10:46.154)
Yeah, and to be clear, it's not a tattoo. You're literally, it's part of your rhythm every day, right?
Tim (10:49.326)
You're welcome.
Yeah, yeah, every day I wake up and I say Jesus thank you for waking me up again and I write this X and I say Jesus I'm just gonna join you help me join you today not like do cool things for you but like what are you at work doing so I just want to be curious I want to live really curious
Shannon Scott (11:11.692)
So good. I have thought before about.
Tim (11:13.87)
Do I by the way, this sounds like I'm like and then what I do is I pray for three hours and then I've memorized And all I do is I read I watch The Chosen that's all I do, you know, this is like wow The problem is is that I have to write this every freaking day because I forget every day multiple times a day do I forget cuz I go straight into my kingdom and I build something or When Dallas will it ask the question when was the last time you were offended? so
Shannon Scott (11:31.286)
Yes.
Tim (11:41.71)
Just think about the last time you were offended or frustrated. And his question then was whose kingdom or Queendom were you protecting? And I'm like crap every day. I mean, is that such a great question? When was the last time you
Shannon Scott (11:53.762)
Ugh. Yeah, it's also like, get out of my business. We didn't ask you to come in here.
Tim (12:00.302)
Yes, Dallas and Holy Spirit shut up. So I'm just saying Tim's is not awesome or perfect. This is just my practice going man every day I lose I lose perspective and my attention goes elsewhere but Jesus it back sobering I'm back to being sober you have my attention.
Shannon Scott (12:05.438)
Exactly.
Shannon Scott (12:20.192)
telling you that building my own suburb in the kingdom that will preach and that analogy goes a hundred ways. mean, that's so good.
Tim (12:24.364)
Isn't that good?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can talk about that later because that hit me. I'm like, that is so true. I've got my cool little suburb. And it's for God's glory. This is going to be a suburb where we are like, blessing God and so man, not okay.
Shannon Scott (12:35.318)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (12:40.322)
Of course.
Shannon Scott (12:44.352)
Yeah. my goodness. Okay. Yeah. So speaking of the movie, you have this guy named Milo Ventimiglia playing you in the movie. First, let's talk about that. What is that like? Before we kind of talk about the heavy parts of it, like what is it like to have this guy who's revered and adored by so many for a variety of reasons playing you in this movie? And what was that like when you found out it was going to be him?
Tim (13:08.834)
Yeah.
Tim (13:14.924)
Yeah, I Milo, he is such a studly actor. My kids are ginormous fans of Milo and were and I was like, yeah, he's awesome. I'd never seen this as us. I just seen Gilmore Girls because my girls watch that over and over. I mean, they've seen every season for 150 times. I'm not a team Jess, and that's okay. That's okay. We can have another conversation about that. But
Shannon Scott (13:34.486)
Yes, Team Jess all the way for sure.
Tim (13:44.398)
Yeah, when I found out it was him, I was like, Oh, that's cool. And then I started watching This Is Us and I started crying every episode going Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. This is so good. He's very good looking, which again, please go back and watch YouTube because you'll see it's kind of like the same same. It's like a mirror. Some people are like, Oh, my gosh, my love. to meet you. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once again, people not true. NT. But
Shannon Scott (14:01.364)
It's like typecasting. Yeah, typecasting. Yeah.
Tim (14:13.03)
He is such a beautiful man. So we've become really close friends and talk often. We text all the time with him, he and his wife and Milo has become a really great friend. And if the movie never came out and everything was like, well, that's a flop. I have a really good friend on the other side of it. And he says the same thing. So it's really been fun. That part's been really fun.
Shannon Scott (14:34.86)
Yeah.
And I have to imagine on a deeper level watching someone else embody a pretty prolific season of suffering for you. What is it like to, I mean, it's one thing to watch somebody play you. It's another thing to watch somebody suffer as you. And I just wonder if you can put some words around what that was like.
Tim (15:02.604)
Yeah, really powerful. RP. That's all I got. I'm just gonna sit, stand right there really powerful. I wish that I've said this a few times. I wish that everybody could have this experience with whatever suffering that you know. So whatever your whoever's listening, you've most likely experienced some serious kind of suffering. And if you haven't, my dad always says wait a week, it's coming. But like you you've experienced something and
to have somebody else to watch somebody else play you, you get to sit back and just go, Shannon, dear self Shannon, I'm so sorry. Like that looks so rough. And that just sucks. And I'm just gonna sit in it with you and grieve with you. And I got to sit back and watch myself and grieve for myself maybe for the first time. I think
Shannon Scott (15:56.716)
Wow.
Tim (15:57.974)
you know, when we're all going through hard things, we're just kind of pushing through. And it's like, yeah, great. This is hard. But like, I've to pay the bills. I've got kids that need something I've got to whatever. And we don't stop and take time to grieve things in a healthy way. And this really is helping me grieve some things in a really healthy way. I mean, it's in therapy, you know, in so often therapy, they'll say, here's a chair over here.
put yourself in that chair and just look at look at Tim in that chair right there. Like Tim's going through this thing, what kind of compassion empathy can you just have on him and his heart? And I get to watch that in real time. So, wow, so so beautiful.
Shannon Scott (16:40.512)
Yeah, that's so good. I'm thinking right now who I want to ask to play me in the movie about my life because if you have to grieve something, I think you should be able to do it while watching Milo play you. So I think that that worked out well for you.
Tim (16:53.548)
Yes. Yeah, I was at all the all the filming days, most of the filming days and to watch them on some of those really powerful, hard cancer days. I man, I just sat there with these little earphones on some days just sobbing, trying to like not ugly cry users. And so that was really special. And then watching my wife go through it.
Shannon Scott (17:01.088)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (17:13.084)
I can't imagine. Yeah.
Tim (17:22.23)
In the movie, there's there's some a few really powerful scenes that every time I've seen it, which is now 459,000. I still cry at watching my wife's process in it. And man, even more grateful for my wife on the other side of it.
Shannon Scott (17:30.55)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (17:35.062)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (17:39.212)
So good. One of the really long lasting things that comes from this story is the song, Even If, which became such an anthem for so many people walking through brutal seasons. And when you wrote it, you were living it. So you weren't just singing about.
Tim (17:55.5)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (18:00.396)
hypothetical faith. Like, I hope this helps somebody. I don't really have any personal experience with this, but these song, these words sound good and this music sounds good. So when you wrote the lyric, even if you don't, was that a, this'll be great in this next line, or did you have to grapple and come to terms with that before putting it down on paper and immortalizing it?
Tim (18:26.83)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I started this song with a girl named Crystal Lewis back in California and she had brought me this verse and this idea and I was going through she she was going through a hard time I was going through a really hard time with cancer stuff and Man we Worked on the song that Just a little part of the song lasted into the one that is now
but the even if you don't like the first part of the chorus is the part that we came up with and it was Yeah, that's just a bold prayer I had been going through stuff and I think at that point I had just been doing a whole study a word study a biblical word study on the word hope and I just you know semantics don't really matter in life and they matter a whole bunch and You know, I mean
Shannon Scott (19:18.37)
Yeah.
Tim (19:21.698)
It's like, okay, great. Who cares what you say, but are we living these things or not? And also, things also matter, like figuring out the word blessing, what blessing actually means versus what Christians say it means. So the word hope, biblical hope, it's not just what God can do for us. It's him period that he is the hope, whether he heals my cancer and I keep getting to wake up or I go tomorrow. He is my hope period.
And I remember going through that idea. So Crystal and I putting these hearts together and praying that was like, this is a bold, bold prayer. And yet, this is what we need to be praying. Like this is it if we can live with this kind of sobriety, and almost a content state, which is beyond surrender, like surrender, like is beautiful. But I think the baseline to this, as my friend Kevin always says, is contentment. If I can walk content,
And the only way to contentment is through surrender, but I can have surrender, but not be content. I can be still pissed about something. Does that make sense? There's a really interesting distinction. and so I think having to write that song with her and then to rewrite it with Bart, who was going through a really hard time and to say, we're going to be the people found saying, God, we believe that you can do these things. You're you're God. And yet we don't know everything.
Shannon Scott (20:28.748)
Totally. Yeah, that's good.
Tim (20:49.898)
And even if you don't, you're with us in the middle of it. And gosh, is that helpful? Going through hard times, it doesn't discount anything or say, it's all gonna be great. It's like, Nope, it's not all gonna be great. And just look at all the martyrs look at all of Christian history. And for us to go, God's gonna heal you. I know it just be have more faith. And I'm like, maybe but I know a lot of people who are dead today that are really had way more faith than I do. And
they're just not here today. And I wish I could say, man, it's because we had more faith, you had enough. But I just don't think that is like the actual intent of those scriptures. Yet we get so lathered up about that stuff. And don't say about don't say anything that might you know, our words are really important. It's like, anyways, that's another conversation for another time, too. But
Shannon Scott (21:19.584)
Hmm, it's good.
Shannon Scott (21:40.079)
Yeah, well, and I think there are some people listening or watching today where they are in seasons where the hard thing is the only thing. It isn't part of their story. It is their entire story right now. And you have said, hey, cancer is not my story. That is not the headline of my story. It's undeniably part of your story. But two things are true.
Tim (22:02.158)
Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (22:07.616)
The suffering is real and the hard thing can sometimes feel like the only thing, but it is not the lead story because the goodness of God and the fact that he is sustaining is true, regardless of how that tension resolves itself at the end of it. To your point, either we meet him in glory or we're healed on earth, two things can stay true. Do you?
You've talked about this a little, I think it might encourage people who the hard thing is like this for them. Do you still waffle back and forth in that tension on any given day of like, the ex isn't working today. This is really hard. This really sucks. And I don't actually want to have the future hope today.
Tim (22:54.316)
Yeah, I've had I've had that so many times. I mean, so many times. And I think there's something really healthy about it. I do. I think just the honesty and being okay to not be okay. And I know it sounds like real cliche, but man, to be able to like, be mad at God to say I'm so pissed right now. This is not how I thought this was going to go. And where are you? I mean,
Welcome to the Psalms. And I love that. Like, what a gift that God is not like, smite you, smite you. So have I felt like that? Yes, so many times. And I'll be real honest. And again, people are gonna, I'm so happy that they can't throw stones through this podcast. But I will just be straight up and honest that there are so many days I'm like,
Shannon Scott (23:29.718)
Yes.
Tim (23:50.638)
I might be like 75 % sure that this whole thing is real. It sure doesn't feel like God you're at work in these things. There are many days I'm like, yeah, I'm like 92 % percent sure that this is all real. And people are like, No, you need to be 100 % devoted to God. I don't think devotion has anything to do with our percentage of faith. You have little faith. I mean, I have little faith so many days, but apparently that's okay by God.
Shannon Scott (23:55.273)
Yeah, yeah.
Shannon Scott (24:14.24)
Right.
Tim (24:20.942)
And that's actually what faith is. I'm 100 % sure of something, it's like, you don't need faith for that. So I'm a big advocate for making it okay for people to go, I'm like 50-50 today on God if you're even real. And I think that's okay. think that's, God's like, cool, that's 50 % more than I needed for me. Like, I'm with you no matter what.
Shannon Scott (24:28.289)
Yeah.
Tim (24:48.786)
And anyways, I think there's something really powerful and just being able to say that out loud and take a deep breath and go, okay, so now I don't have to like fake that. I can lean into it and I can, I love the, my friend Susie Lynn, she said, instead of deconstruction, she was talking about, detangling our faith. And I love that image untangling or detangling. Cause it's not like I'm just chopping it up and like, well, I'll just put these pieces back.
Shannon Scott (24:51.488)
Yeah. Yep.
Shannon Scott (25:10.654)
Ooh.
Shannon Scott (25:15.404)
Yeah, tear it apart. Right.
Tim (25:17.302)
It's like, no, things get really tangled up. My history and my spiritual history has kind of tangled some things up that are like, just need to kind of like get back to the way they were so I can see a more full version of God. And I love that. I think it's okay if you're in the middle of it to be like, I'm mad. I don't even know fully if God's real. And I'm betting my one and only life on it, which is called faith.
And I think that's okay. And who are you in life with and struggling through that with and poking holes in scripture with because at the point is that we do this together and you'd have people that would not shame you for that but lean into it with you. So if you don't have that, gosh, I'm not a big advocate and like, hey, you should all be going to church every Sunday. I'm like, I think Sunday is fine. But it's only eight 80 minutes out of the 10,080 minutes in the week. So how are we being the church with people?
Shannon Scott (26:09.783)
Yeah.
Tim (26:12.054)
I'm really honest that I would encourage you to find those people.
Shannon Scott (26:12.278)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (26:17.538)
I want to get to 10,000 minutes in just a minute. But one of the things I found myself thinking as I was watching the movie was about Hillary and about your kids, because you weren't the only one and aren't the only one going through this story and this journey and a path of suffering, however unique it might be.
And one of the things that you have said before is that Hillary said when you were diagnosed, we're going to live as though you're going to be healed. And so can you unpack what she meant by that? And how did that perspective actually play out? Because I'm sure that there could be somebody listening and be like, my gosh, toxic positivity or, know, whatever all the things are we throw around these days.
Tim (27:04.472)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Shannon Scott (27:07.414)
But there had to have been days and maybe still are when healing feels really distant. What did she mean by the posture you were gonna live in of you're going to be healed?
Tim (27:19.596)
Yeah, that was early on. They gave me five years to live. I was like, I said, Hillary, I totally get if you don't want to have kids, like, we're only three years into marriage. And I just said, if we if it's best for us, maybe it's best for us to not have kids. If this is maybe the potential outcome. And she initially just said, Tim, we're gonna live as though you're going to be healed.
which is awesome. That's so great. And so we just then kept moving. But a year in, I was having surgeries and tumors were growing. There were things happen. It was just like, things were progressing. So, you know, it was always stage four and I wasn't healed. And that's when her dark night really began. That's when her detangling really began, because she was
she was mad at God. Like you're screwing me. This is this is not okay. Like I thought it was just supposed to have we're gonna believe and have faith together and we have this whole community of thousands of people praying for Tim. And look, look what we are. And so she had a few year bout of just wrestling a wrestling match with God. And to see where she is today. And even in the movie there are a few times when
Shannon Scott (28:27.222)
Yeah.
Tim (28:48.909)
I go to write the X on her wrist just kind of lies like a silly moment and she denies me. That part makes me cry every time because I remember those days. We get emotional now. And then there's a part where she ends up writing this X while we're in the hospital on her wrist. And that gets me every time because I think there's a beauty and an honesty with God in a wrestling match with God that he can handle. So
Shannon Scott (29:01.174)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (29:12.204)
Yeah.
Tim (29:18.721)
That's what's so encouraging to me to see where she is today and to see what a I mean, she's always been a beautiful human even in the midst of her wrestling. She was a beautiful human but thank you God that you allow us to lean into stuff and you do it with us. And then our kids, our kids are awesome. I've got four teenagers and trying to figure out that cause parenting is easy. I pretty much have that on lockdown.
Shannon Scott (29:34.722)
That's so true.
Shannon Scott (29:42.87)
Yeah, I mean, what a breeze.
Tim (29:45.451)
Yeah, yeah. So that's like, yes, tell me, show me something hard, you know. But yeah, we're trying to figure out how we've tried to tell them about cancer through the years when in the past, they didn't know about my cancer, because we're like, how do you tell them when everybody we've ever said the word cancer to is dead? And how do we do that? And the whole process of how Jesus opened those doors that we got when we stopped working for him. And we just said, Okay, we're gonna be dumb enough to let you open the door.
So would you open the door for us to have these conversations? each of those stories is really fun to hear and to see now where they are. yeah.
Shannon Scott (30:24.674)
Wow. I don't recall and I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this, but just as you were talking, I just don't recall being taught a lot about wrestling with God. We told the Jacob wrestling with God story a lot in Sunday school, but it did not then translate to. So the practical application for you in your own life is X. Like I, the
Tim (30:40.961)
Thank you.
Shannon Scott (30:51.708)
the freedom and maybe even the fear that some people might feel in permission to wrestle through belief and the detangling. I think about necklaces I've had that sometimes I just take to Jeff and put in his face and I'm like, I cannot maintain my sanity and get this thing untangled. I need you to help me. I imagine there are faith tenants that are that way for some people.
But it's refreshing to hear you talk about not only your own wrestling, but Hillary's as well in, and it's not a condemnation way. It's a, it's almost, this is part of a vibrant relationship with God is the ability to wrestle with his sovereign purpose.
Tim (31:34.561)
Yeah, I mean, Jesus did it in the garden. Like, I mean, however you see that, and maybe I'm seeing it wrong. And that's why I say about all my theology is like, by the way, can totally be wrong. And I'm willing to be wrong. And that's okay. And we can figure it out together. But even in the garden, like there's this moment, when obviously, you know, we know that he sweats blood. And he's like, if there's any way father, this thing could pass for me, please hook hook a son up, you know,
Shannon Scott (31:39.808)
Yeah, no?
Tim (32:05.407)
I think there was like, I don't know if it was fear. I don't know what it was, but that was a wrestle match. That wasn't like, Hey God, maybe, maybe would you please? It was like sweating blood. Like what, who, what, what that even mean? But there was a wrestle, like even Jesus to wrestle with things instead of just going, you know what lives hard, but God's good, but you're good father. mean, it was like, he had to wrestle, but then what was so beautiful in, in my view, again, I could be wrong.
Shannon Scott (32:11.714)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (32:18.902)
Yes.
Tim (32:35.435)
was he got to a place of surrender and then contentment in that garden. Like it seems like it was like, okay, please take it from me. Okay. If you're not near my hope and I'm going to surrender and then I'm going to find this place of contentment and they come and take them away. And then he's content even as he's on the cross. That's pretty
Shannon Scott (32:59.03)
Yeah, I mean, yeah. Woo!
Tim (33:01.421)
That's honestly, that is so energizing to me that that what if that's actually how Jesus did it. And if we are to walk in his footsteps and carry our cross, there's a piece of that that's like, dang it, I don't want this cross. And God, you're at work and all things. I'm just gonna live as though that's true, whether I fully buy into it mentally or not, I'm going to be found living as though something is true. So the word believe, which I love words.
So the word believe isn't a mental ascent, as you know, and you've probably said a million times, but that was such a new thing to me that the word believe that the which Jesus rarely ever uses, which is crazy. We Christians use it like it's like candy. Like, Hey, do you believe this? Do you believe this would hurt? And all that, know, it's like who? Jesus didn't say that crap. Like we Christians say that all the time, but the few times, like only a few times, almost in the book of John, that's the only time he uses the word to believe. But when in most relates to follow, but
Shannon Scott (33:43.318)
Yes. Yes.
Tim (34:00.299)
When he uses the word to believe it means to be found living as though something is true. It's like this verb which again, you know, but I just was such like a mind blowing invitation that it's not a mental ascent to something because we can all do that at every Harvest Crusade all day long. it's a living as though something is true. And whether I fully mentally ascent to this thing or not, I'm going to be found living as though this thing is true.
Shannon Scott (34:15.884)
Yeah.
Tim (34:30.513)
And man, the same spirit that raised Jesus from the freaking dead is in me today is bizarre. But what if it's actually true? And what then what what if we live this though that were true today? How would that change the trajectory of my day? How would my neighbors see a different Jesus in me than before? You know? Sorry, you get me out But so exciting, though, like that.
Shannon Scott (34:36.002)
Yep.
Shannon Scott (34:39.532)
Yep.
Shannon Scott (34:52.62)
So good. Nope. Get it.
Tim (34:58.133)
If that's the good news, I'm in. If it's just Jesus dying on a cross for my sins, it's like, cool, I get to go to heaven. I mean, I was just at, I've been in so many different church communities recently. And man, the message is always, almost always, look where we get to go in the end. We get to go to heaven, you guys. This is, so let's get more people into heaven. Man, I just have a real hard time with the smallness of that theology.
Shannon Scott (35:27.136)
Yeah.
Tim (35:28.173)
because I'm like digging and digging, digging, I use this analogy and it's kind of helped me that my whole life that I've genuflect at the foot of the cross. Like here's the cross right here and I've gone, I blew it again, Jesus. This, I totally suck. thank you for your grace. I blew it again and I just keep doing this bowing for the cross. And the thing that I just had this vision of Jesus is on the other side of the cross going, dude, cool, it's already done.
That stuff's already paid for like, awesome. Well, I get it. That's that was kind of gross what you did actually. And you know it, we both know it. And this is awesome. But let's let's come come on. And it's almost like the Wood of the Cross is the the wooden doors on the wardrobe into Narnia. It's like there's so much more. What if there's so much more? Like just just come through the Wood of the Cross into so much more like a whole new world.
Shannon Scott (35:58.185)
Right? Right.
Shannon Scott (36:05.697)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (36:18.569)
so much more.
Tim (36:26.349)
So I that that this vision has been so helpful for me to then like be more curious of like what if Jesus is has more for me and belief is way more than you know, what did somebody say that it's not Jesus was less worried about where we go when we die, but how we live today and that the kingdom of God is here now and I get to live in heaven right freaking now in this place.
Shannon Scott (36:26.422)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (36:49.184)
Yeah.
Yes.
Tim (36:54.859)
with all the hard things, I get to live as though the King is the King of the kingdom. And I'm living in the kingdom of heaven today in Dallas, Willard, and I'm going to start off with this. But Dallas, Willard said at one point that if we were to take Jesus serious about seeking first the kingdom of God and our our attention was so much on the kingdom of God and his ways that we could live an unoffendable life and
Shannon Scott (37:02.303)
Yeah.
Tim (37:22.791)
maybe, and this is for us who are all in the hard stuff right now. If we had this view, this sounds utopian, but if we had this view, that we might not even know the difference between this life and the next because it's like, don't have to protect my kingdom. God, you're at work on these things. I can rest if I die tomorrow. Then I die tomorrow and I get to be with Jesus. It's it's, it's really sobering.
Shannon Scott (37:40.747)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (37:47.638)
Yeah.
Tim (37:52.353)
But I'm sure I'm bringing up more questions to people than answers. But what if there's more?
Shannon Scott (37:53.067)
Yeah, no.
Shannon Scott (38:01.313)
Well, not only what if there's more, we see so many scriptures that promise us there is, and we find ourselves consistently going, I don't know what this abundance thing is, but I feel confident I have not tapped into it. And you know, and so...
Tim (38:15.981)
Yes, yes, yes.
Shannon Scott (38:20.135)
Not what if there's more, there's more. How do we access it? If I actually have the same power in me that raised Christ from the dead, there are some things I should not any longer still be tangling with. It's a matter of whether or not I'm accessing my power freely given to me. Yeah, I could talk about this for three hours.
Tim (38:23.051)
Yeah. Yeah.
Tim (38:37.869)
Yeah, yes. Yes. Yes. But we get a little bit crazy about that. And I was just in a spot right the other day. And this could be content contentious as well, which is fine, I guess I've thrown enough bombs in this podcast. But writers are always songwriters are always saying come Holy Spirit, like we need you to come here more. And I'm, I'm literally curious. And I get a lot of pushback from worship leaders on this. But
Shannon Scott (39:01.226)
Right.
Tim (39:08.587)
Like what if we've already got the Spirit of God? the actually scripturally when I see it, it's like we have the fullness of the presence of God, not like the part in this or like I got a little bit of the Spirit. It's like please more Holy Spirit. It's like or it's all available. It's what if it's all available and I just get to like wake up and have say you've got my attention Jesus, Holy Spirit, not the crap that I'm looking into like
Shannon Scott (39:17.973)
Yes. Yes.
Tim (39:37.205)
It's all here. I just need to tap in. Just like what you're saying. That's exciting to me. That's way more exciting than like, please, Lord, please bring more of your spirit. And I'm waiting and waiting and waiting versus just leaning into it.
Shannon Scott (39:41.365)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (39:51.157)
forward to the song you're going to write that's something around, he's already here, let's stop asking.
Tim (39:57.739)
Okay, right, right. Challenge accepted. Yeah, no, I'm... Okay, yes, I can only imagine nine will be that. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (40:01.119)
I feel great about it. I'll start shopping the screenplay. It's going to be great. Nine, right? Svi, you mentioned 10,000 minutes and this is not just a phrase you throw out. This is actually something you have founded called 10,000 minutes. And I love the tagline that is like to help people stop just doing church and start
being the church and I will not keep talking. Otherwise this will become a podcast that I talked on the whole time. But the, the, the truth, I often call it the gap between Sundays. It's like, we're very good at the Sunday church thing. I am a professional actually get paid for over three decades to be this person. but you talk about.
Tim (40:33.047)
would be wonderful because I would love that podcast.
Tim (40:50.379)
Yep. Yep.
Shannon Scott (40:56.127)
following Jesus not actually primarily being about Sundays or even about the building or the thing or the program. And so talk about 10,000 minutes, why you're so passionate about it and how your journey has kind of shifted your thinking in this.
Tim (41:12.589)
Yeah, I was a pastor in some real large churches in California and killing it. I was awesome. Varsity, varsity American Christian rocking. And I've told you already that I was exhausted. I found myself so tired and I ended up leaving this church community and just because my own attention was on the wrong things and I was left going, Jesus, what do you care about?
I know what this institution cares about. know, there are pros and cons to all this stuff. Like we're, we love certain things, but I'm like, what do you actually care about? I, know how to make a rad Western American church. know how to kill that thing, but I don't know what you care about. And do you, what do you care about this stuff? So I just started asking all those questions. And as we left, the first weekend we left, I led a camp called Hume Lake in California.
And the pastor just or the teacher just said the phrase there are 10,080 minutes in a week. And I was like, huh, I've spent my entire life and almost all of my resource on the 80 minutes that we gather as a church. I was like, this is crazy. I mean, think of all the money, all the time, all the effort and think about the amount of times that we say, and Shannon, I love that our first hangout.
Shannon Scott (42:29.603)
Ugh. Yeah.
Yes. Yes.
Tim (42:40.147)
you like basically said all this stuff. I'm like, yes, yes, let's be friends. Yes, let's be friends. But we say to people, bring people to church. We'll, you'll, you'll see Jesus here. Bring people here because you can worship here. Bring people here because they'll get saved here. Bring people here, whatever. And gosh, I just don't see that scripturally. In fact,
I don't even see the fact that we can go to church scripturally. Like that's not even a scriptural thing. That is a Western church thing or just even Catholic started this whole let's go to a place which isn't biblical. It's who we are gathered and scattered. We are the church. Man, that's that'll put some wrenches and stuff when you kind of go.
Shannon Scott (43:30.603)
was gonna say, you wanna just give people a second to just inhale and exhale as they digest that?
Tim (43:36.811)
Yeah, you just can't go to church. It's impossible to go to church. And yet we can gather as the church and then we can scatter we scatter as the church. And there are 80 minutes that we gather, which is awesome. But there are 10,000 minutes until we gather again, that how do we join Jesus as the church, not just individuals, but like as a collective we are we looking like Jesus, the heart of Jesus. I'm wearing this shirt right now.
And again, if you're watching YouTube, you'll see I've got a shirt on says, love first. And there was a it's just a silly story of a guy, Hillary and I were going to a cancer appointment. And there was a guy in the foyer with a little cute little granddaughter. And he had a shirt on that said shoot first. And I thought, that's interesting. I've been flagged over here. He's got you know, Christian dude.
Shannon Scott (44:12.128)
Yeah.
Tim (44:34.989)
got, you know, just showing all the things. But his shirt, his shirt said shoot first. And I just said, man, what's your shirt about? And he kind of looked at me like, you know, why are you asking? I'm like, no, I actually genuinely want to know what your shirt means. And he's like, well, don't miss. I'm like, so people like that kind of a, you know, I was being a little snarky. And I walked away and I was like,
so Jesus people we are are we found doing that in the 10,000 minutes of the week, like we go and we sing our songs, we get lathered up, we sing about God and the heart of God. And yet we wear shoot first shirts on in this. This isn't even a political conversation. I'm about the politics of the kingdom of God that I both sides are stupid and dumb and have beautiful things to them both sides do. But the political
Shannon Scott (45:06.591)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (45:12.533)
Wow.
Shannon Scott (45:23.286)
Yeah.
No.
Tim (45:34.123)
kingdom, the political, the politic of the kingdom is the thing that we should care about. And I just think in the 10,000 minutes, what would happen if Jesus people actually joined Jesus in the 10,000 minutes in the way in the heart that he's inviting us into. And I guess the problem comes down to then how do we see Jesus because I was with a guy the other day. And ironically, it's about the same same thing. And he was talking about a certain group.
that are co-opting and they have an agenda and all this stuff and he's like, we need to get them out of the church. And I'm like, okay. And he said, well, it's like Jesus, he turned tables. I wanna turn tables as a certain university that was mad about. So that's the Jesus, I guess, that he's looking at. And I think it's a very different Jesus than the scriptural Jesus, but what do I know? I just, the 10,000 minutes, I'm friends and I, just decided what if we were dumb enough?
Shannon Scott (46:17.12)
Yeah.
Tim (46:32.757)
and silly enough to just put the heart of Jesus into practice. And what could that look like? And how would that change us? So praying for my enemies has changed me and continues to change me and totally disrupt what I want to do. to both of those people, my practice was not to live in contempt for them as if I'm better than them. Cause that would be just doing the same thing. I'm shooting first in a different way with my heart.
Shannon Scott (46:55.349)
Yeah.
Tim (47:01.101)
Yet the way of Jesus would be that I get to pray blessing for those people the political people that I cannot stand and have a really hard time with Man, I don't get to damn them not in the king not not the politic of the kingdom My role is actually to pray blessing for them, which doesn't mean like financial success. It's like wholeness and fullness That's what I get to pray for them this guy that
Shannon Scott (47:13.033)
Yeah, so good.
Shannon Scott (47:23.435)
So good. Now you're getting into Dallas Willard territory. You're getting a little bit up in our business, Tim.
Tim (47:29.165)
I mean, but really, so there's a Hiller and I just wrote a book and there's a chapter in the book, the whole section on enemy love, because it jacks me up every day. And there was a guy that I saw in Israel, he's a guy that during the COVID days, and then all the way to now, man, he's been kind of a worship leader. And this guy that I met at this one writing event, and man, was he arrogant and douchey at that thing. It was unbelievable how lame
He was when he walked in like I'm kind of the thing. It was just gross. And so I've always been like, my gosh, this guy drives me crazy and how he portrays Jesus. I just have a lot of things in my heart about and so we're in Israel. Hillary and I were Israel with a guy named Bob Goff. We were on this trip and I was leading worship for it and I had just said we're in Capernaum where Jesus spent most of his time, which was just fascinating. Most of like the miracles are in this little area.
And I just said in this group, I said, Jesus, thank you that you in this place, you invited us into some crazy different ways that I don't know. I don't even like like blessing our enemies. You did that. Finish that prayer. Finish the song. Sat down. I looked over to my left. There are only a few people in this place and look to my left. This guy walks straight in in the middle of nowhere, like this little, little town of Capernaum. This guy walks in that place.
Shannon Scott (48:51.482)
What?
Tim (48:58.027)
And I just started laughing. It was like, Jesus, dang it. I can't even have, yeah, like you're confronting me right now, like in the coolest and most painful of ways. And so I sat there and I just said, Jesus, I don't get to have contempt that I'm better than this guy. That's my kingdom. That's my suburb. And I don't get to do that. I get to be the blesser. And so I just started praying for him and his wife. And then as Bob and I are walking out,
Shannon Scott (49:00.925)
Yep. Money where your mouth is.
Tim (49:27.085)
He just walks right up this guy walked right up. It was this little road and I just said hey, man I'm Tim we wrote together this one thing and didn't remember me and then just started talking about all the things he's doing and it was just as douchey as as he was before Yet
Shannon Scott (49:43.022)
Yeah, it wasn't like, the script has flipped.
Tim (49:45.801)
It's like all of he's beautiful and like, are you? How can I serve you? was like, here's what I'm doing. And it was like, my gosh, every reason just to go, man, I'm so much better than you. But I had no right. I had zero right to do that. All Jesus invited me to do is to bless and pray for blessing for him. And so every time I see him online, I get to actually pray blessing instead of going, my gosh, how lame is this? Not my job. My job is to love and love first, you know.
Shannon Scott (49:48.565)
Right.
Shannon Scott (50:11.822)
Mmm, so good, so good.
Tim (50:13.431)
So it's these kind of things that I think are happening in our 10,000 minutes. And I just want to be a part of inviting Jesus people to look like Jesus, because what could happen if we actually looked like the real Jesus, not our little version of him that we want, but the real Jesus, what could happen?
Shannon Scott (50:34.389)
Whew. Yeah. I should have, I should have recorded this podcast on a different day where maybe it wouldn't be so convicting. So I'll have to plan better in the future. and the title of this podcast, obviously comes from Ecclesiastes 3 11 that just says he has made everything beautiful in its time. And so when you look at your story, the diagnosis, even if
Tim (50:35.307)
Hmm, sorry, I'm just, I'm everywhere else.
Tim (50:43.421)
Tim (50:57.15)
Mm.
Shannon Scott (51:02.645)
the two decades that as far as the doctor was concerned, you weren't supposed to have this film that's out. What has God made beautiful in your estimation that you could have never orchestrated yourself? And I know that the right answer is all of it, but is there something that really sits poignantly for you when you think about, if I had to judge that, I'd have said, there's no way you can make this beautiful and here you've gone and done.
Tim (51:32.171)
Yeah, two things come to mind. One is, I sat on tour for many tours with Mercy Me and I'm sitting there, as Bart's just sharing the song, even if, and you know, it wouldn't necessarily talk about me as a writer of it or my portion of the story, cause he's just like trying to like move a room. so nobody in that place knows that I wrote that song at all.
then we're sitting at these award shows and you know, Tim hasn't talked about it all. And, man, what a shift for Jesus to be like, dude, you don't need the glory. Who cares? Like that's your kingdom being threatened. And the more that I was able to go, yeah, how silly, like, is my suburb that worth building up? It's just not worth it.
Shannon Scott (52:19.422)
Yeah, that's good.
Tim (52:29.333)
And so the fact that like that is so not me, that is not that me would be, no, this is bull crap. I'm going to find a way to like get myself into this thing. And I, the, that is only the work of the Holy Spirit at work in me. Like go on, Tim, there's more beautiful things at work here. And let me just, just join me. I know what's best. And so I think his work in me to get to a place of like, awesome, I can bless that. I don't need.
Shannon Scott (52:49.833)
Mm. Mm.
Tim (52:58.829)
kudos. As much as my flesh would want that and I don't want to live in that. It's way more fun to let Jesus get the kudos and like he knows what he's doing. So then for there to be Grammys and movie about this is so cool honoring as if man I didn't make any of things happen. I'm just not that awesome. And look at this. How cool is that?
Shannon Scott (52:58.933)
Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (53:08.649)
Hmm. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (53:21.11)
Yeah.
Tim (53:25.493)
And then I think the second thing is I would say I I live with a lot of the fruit of the Spirit more than I ever would have before. And that's not a flex. That's not like man, I'm awesome. What I do is I do my quiet times, you know, not true. I just through we get good at what we practice and Jesus has invited me to practice his way and invite other people into it.
Shannon Scott (53:37.012)
Hmm.
Tim (53:54.801)
And I used to be addicted to worry. I'm not addicted to worry anymore because I'm practicing trust instead of practicing worry. Now I worry every day, but I'm getting quicker at practicing trust. I have more fruit of the spirit than I've ever had in my life. And it's not for me. If it was for me, that would be a flex. Because it's for you and because it's for the guy that had the shoot first on. That's when it's fun.
Shannon Scott (53:59.745)
Hmm.
Tim (54:23.284)
It's not a flex. I'm an image bearer of God and he's making me more like him. That's on him and I just get to join him in it. So those things would not have happened without calamity and sorrow. And for that, I get to breathe deeper than I ever would have breathed before. Like, I think most of my Christian life are shallow breaths, just... And now it's like, Jesus, you have my attention.
Shannon Scott (54:29.376)
Mm.
Shannon Scott (54:36.757)
Hmm.
Shannon Scott (54:48.406)
Yeah.
Tim (54:52.564)
when I'm a moron during my day and I'm so self-absorbed. He's like, dude, you just don't need to do that. There's more.
Shannon Scott (55:02.07)
Yeah.
Tim (55:03.338)
So that's what I love. That is the work of God in my life. That is not the work of Tim and the awesomeness of Tim. I just get to like be a part of it for your sake, for my neighbor's sake, for my enemy's sake.
Shannon Scott (55:07.081)
Mm.
Shannon Scott (55:17.397)
Yeah, it's such, I mean, that is what the yoke being easy and the burden being light looks like.
Tim (55:25.086)
Yes, Jan. Yes. Yeah, what if that's actually real? What if it's actually real? That will be that the people dumb enough to put that into experiment. And just daily experiment with what if he actually was for real when he's saying all these things, and we actually get to be a part of this bigger journey. So yes, girl, that's so beautiful.
Shannon Scott (55:27.615)
Yeah, so good. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (55:35.382)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (55:46.421)
What a gift. What a gift. Well, I do ask all of my guests one question before we close. So I do have to ask you. Not about baldness. Not about baldness. I did notice Milo did not go completely bald on that, right? Was that an intentional choice?
Tim (55:54.86)
Okay. Male pattern bones. sorry. What else?
Tim (56:12.498)
that was a Lions gate choice. I think they're kind of like, if does he have a bad head is if he has a bad head and he goes bald, big bald, you lose some sex. Yeah, you can't pull that sucker back. It's going to take a little bit. So he's just so dang good looking and his hair is so hot that when he was like, man, let's go all the way. He was all in, but I think people were nervous. So yeah.
Shannon Scott (56:16.117)
Okay.
Shannon Scott (56:19.969)
We can't walk that back.
Shannon Scott (56:35.968)
Yeah.
So funny. Yeah, I just, kind of made that because I've talked to you so much. I realized when I saw another clip from the movie, I was like, he didn't go completely bald for that. I got to ask him about that. well, there you go. There you go. You you got it. You got it. You got to keep it, keep it under the, under the hat, if you will, a little bit. okay. So the question I ask all my guests, this is the everything made beautiful podcast. So
Tim (56:47.872)
Yeah, yeah. He probably would have looked too good looking.
Okay, I
I'm gonna try that.
Shannon Scott (57:07.027)
If you could design your perfect, beautiful day, what would it look like from start to finish? And the thing I always tell everybody is there's no parameters on the beautiful day. So if you need to time travel or if you need to, you know, get from here to California in the blink of an eye, and you also don't have to have like gluten intolerance or, you know, anything that makes it frustrating to not be able to eat certain things. So what is Tim Timmons?
Tim (57:34.368)
That's such a caveat. Yeah. I would wake up early in the morning, go surfing with my best friends in California. We'd get a really fun surf spot, just kind of all to ourselves. we'd have a delicious breakfast burrito somewhere. I would come back here and be with my kids as they wake up.
Shannon Scott (57:36.331)
Perfect day.
Tim (58:04.5)
and somewhere in there I was gonna say play pickleball but surfing would be the best. Yeah, hang out with them and then it'd be just all around food, hanging out with friends and food and getting the best food all over the world. That's pretty much what would happen. Yeah, beautiful day. give me like, I'm a food nerd. So give me some of that and use me today.
Shannon Scott (58:22.006)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (58:28.405)
Yes, yes and amen. Uh-huh. I have never played pickleball and now I'm kind of to the point where I'm like it's become such a thing that now that thing in me that just because everybody's doing it now I'm not doing it because they're doing it. So it's probably going to now have to be several years when it wears off a little before I can do it but do you recommend it?
Tim (58:33.036)
Ugh.
Tim (58:40.588)
Yeah, you know what mean, man.
Tim (58:45.994)
Yeah. Yep.
I love it. I love it. I'm addicted. And I'm I'll say it. I'm Tim. Hi, my name is Tim. And I'm addicted to pickleball. I love it so much. Yeah, I just I love sports. And that's a fun one. And it's also just fun to be with people and do it with people.
Shannon Scott (59:00.161)
Okay.
Shannon Scott (59:05.887)
Okay, all right, well I'm taking your recommendation. If I ever do it, you're getting the credit even though you don't need it.
Tim (59:08.652)
Yeah. Just let me know. I'll give you a few pointers and you'll nail it.
Shannon Scott (59:15.199)
Okay, perfect. Well, Tim, thank you for doing what I know is your 500th podcast around all of this and this stuff.
Tim (59:22.348)
Yes, you're awesome. are such a great question asker and such a cool human. And we used to be neighbors, everybody like live around each other. And then all of a sudden we move away and it's like, Oh, we should have been friends this whole time. How stupid is this? Her husband's awesome. Whatever. So stupid.
Shannon Scott (59:30.401)
We did. We did. Yes.
Shannon Scott (59:36.673)
Totally. It's fine. Yes. Well, we're, we're big Tim fans. There will, we'll do much more together. I already know it. I can see into that future for us. thank you. Thank you. Thank you for saying yes to your story being in the world and for the way that you are calling so much.
Tim (59:45.216)
Cool. Let's do that.
Shannon Scott (01:00:00.017)
necessary attention to the light, yoke and burden of Jesus because you live it out. I've seen it close up. You live it out and we're really grateful for your voice in this time in the kingdom of God and just thank you and on behalf of all the people who want me to thank you who won't get to thank you themselves. Thank you.
Tim (01:00:20.524)
Hmm. So welcome. Let's go. We're doing it together.
Shannon Scott (01:00:24.629)
Guys, I will link all the things in the show notes, Tim and Hillary's book. You need to go to Kava. If you're not already a Kava subscriber, we've got conversations with Tim and Hillary and Bart and Shannon. We've got conversations with Tim and Andy Irwin. Tim and I also talked to Kristi McClellan. There's all kinds of great things on the Kava website around. I can only imagine two and the message of the film and lots of great stuff from Tim as well.
Tim (01:00:34.582)
Yes.
Shannon Scott (01:00:52.405)
Get the book, get the music. I'll link it all in the show notes. And don't forget that God is right now, currently in the process of making everything beautiful, including you. And we'll see you next time.