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The Quinn Files traces the rise, fall and alleged government cover-up behind Sean Quinn's business empire. Hosted by Sammy Heaney, the podcast digs into the decisions, the fallout and the questions that still haven't been answered.
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Unknown
John, here we are back for episode
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Unknown
four of The Quinn Files. Yep. Back it. Back in the hot seat. Back in the trailer. Yeah, I've got we've we've
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Unknown
a bit bit to go through today. There's been an amazing response.
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Unknown
I'm going to just read out here some of so we've had today's Wednesday podcast went out Friday evening so you could see it's been out there about four days. And there's been over 2.5 million views on the Quinn files across all different platforms. It's gone to number one in the Irish Business Podcast chart, three in the UK, top ten in Australia, and it's now chart in its way to the top of America and Canada.
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Unknown
It's gone worldwide and the response has been unbelievable. There's been hundreds and hundreds of comments.
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Unknown
How do you feel or what's what? I think where you sitting with it all? I think that may be more due to you than it is to me. I don't know, maybe they were interested in listening to you than me because I have I have traded a few times and there hasn't been that sort of response.
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Unknown
Yeah. Well it's a it's a new medium that well not new, but it's a different medium I suppose for you, this podcast and thing
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Unknown
you watched it yourself again I did, I did I thought it was very good and the editing was done on it. I think it was wonderful. So, I just want to thank you very much and well done to yourself and Danielle and Carol.
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Unknown
Yeah, for presenting it the way it was. I've got a lot of positive reviews, but I suppose really the big the big story in all of this is
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Unknown
the truth has to come out. And the reason that you and I were talking for the last couple of weeks was that there has been a narrative out there for the past 15 or 20 years that the Queen's Don't Disturb and the other and the Queen of stolen money and the Queen's and all of this, and there's not even a cent of of evidence to support that.
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Unknown
And unfortunately, I am disappointed that the media or the politicians are nobody coming along to us. I wrote a book in 2023, I don't. In January 2026, this year, just this a few months ago, they were not the one now and nobody is disputing any of the facts. But yet the media won't print the facts or the media won't talk about the facts.
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Unknown
All they want to talk about Kevin, Lonnie, Double and Jimmy and stuff like that. And they don't want to talk about the actual facts because, I mean, the position on this thing is quite clear.
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Unknown
Make kids in 2020. In 2007, made children, which owned 100% of the company.
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Unknown
the age is being 20 1820 when there was 20 and that was 22. And the Irish government through Anglo or through agreements for 2.34 billion into those kids names. We don't ever talk to them, meeting to them, writing to them without doing anything.
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Unknown
And then what did they do? They went and took some of the companies.
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Unknown
Because they had a cover up what the had done illegally. So the only way that would cover up was destroy the kids. I don't mind them to stay in me. I was 80 last week, as you probably know, so I don't I don't mind, but destroying the kids, I mean they have to say these kids lives and the only the only said between 20 and 32 years of age.
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Unknown
And I mean, they have put one of them in prison. What they've done is, I mean, they took all her assets, which was generated well, generating 4 or 500 million a year. But even our own privately held assets were generally at naughty five, 40 million a year. So for the first couple of months after I took the business, we took the family, took out, income, rent come from some of these assets in India, Russia and Ukraine for about 3 or 4 million pounds and the assets of us, what, billions.
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Unknown
And for the last 15 years there have been absolutely persecuting the kids there after day after day for that. 300 million pounds got of rent which they own on assets that they were after stealing.
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Unknown
And their interest on a daily basis, penniless, on a daily basis for a few million quid, and their master taking their properties was worth billions. I mean, there's no shame to these people at all. Absolutely no shame, because it's a proven fact. And Judge Charlton said it in the first months these loans were illegal, and yet the illegality for the billions had been passed by the media.
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Unknown
Don't want to talk about it. The government don't want to talk about it, doesn't come up with the doll. It's never mentioned, but it's actual fact. And there have ruined these kids lathes. And I suppose I going along with ruining my grandkids lives. When this started, I had no grandkids, no way of 14, and so they don't know what's going on at all.
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Unknown
Granddad, did you own that hotel or why? How'd you lose that hotel and this, that and the other? It's unbelievable what it was as a family. And I wouldn't mean anything that I done wrong. I am happy to put my hands up an acceptable him make his done zero wrong. Absolutely zero. So I mean they put one of them in prison and you only have to listen to the judgment of Judge Adrian Hardiman and 2012 an extensive judgment.
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Unknown
And if you Google, you'll get the judgment easily enough on what they're doing was totally, entirely wrong and even put this in prison. He even said that that was wrong as well. He dissented in that judgment. But for for a Supreme Court judge to say that the Irish government were leaking stuff to the national press, that's outrageous, because what that meant was this and this is this I don't think can be disputed.
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Unknown
You had the Irish government against the family. You had the courts against the family. You had the Garda against the family because they wouldn't dozens of frauds, the wooden investigate one of them and the media, the media, all the media wanted to talk about was Dublin and Jimmy or frauds or CFDs. They didn't want to talk about any wrongdoing on behalf of the government.
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Unknown
I mean, I just think that's outrageous because at the end of the day, you take RT. Well, the taxpayer is supporting RT. And when I was when I came to travel born, he came to me in 2017, 2018 to do a documentary to prove that the Queen's story narrative was wrong. And he wanted to do a documentary on Sean Quinn to tell the true story.
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Unknown
And he ran along with that from 6 to 12 months. I'm not sure what period. Then after six, 12 months, he came back to me and he said, look what I've got 30,000 from as a deposit from Auty. But Art, he wanted control of this and they want editorial control. So I was foolish enough, but I had I had done a few interviews at the time, so I was right in the middle of it and I said, well, I hope that editorial control.
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Unknown
What does that mean? No, no, he says, I'll deal with that. I'll make sure your story is told. Well, he just I don't know how much he got in the end, but he told me he had got 30,000 as a deposit. Well, Lord, he just turned the whole thing on his head and lay after lay after lay. And it even got worse.
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Unknown
The same guy done a book on me. Then the same week, the same Trevor Barney done a book. And the lays that he came out of there was incredible. So I think for Artie to be involved in that sort of behavior and for them to take editorial control away from somebody that was going to tell a true story in reaction to the story, was out there.
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Unknown
A think that should be investigated? How can how can the national media come up with that one? I did see the documentary. It's very well done. And the first episode or episode and a half very much. It tells your story and your rise in the business world. And it's, it's it's brilliant. Watch. But then as you do go on into the next couple episodes, it does become very one sided and you're in it much less.
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Unknown
Yeah. And it's very much told from the government or the officials side. It told me that he wasn't, that the government wouldn't talk to him and UCS wouldn't talk to him. The press wouldn't talk to him. He wasn't or Quinn group executives wouldn't talk to him, but she'd have finished up 90% of them. It was nearly all in it.
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Unknown
It was a dear said of the story he told. Yeah, yeah. So let's go back because we've we've looked through all of the comments. We've, we've read them all. And what I'd like to do today is address some of the stuff that's maybe a little unclear to people or that, that we're getting confused. So, so I think a good place to start is you were talking about the kids and the, the loans that were put into their name to July 2008.
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Unknown
So a lot of people are in the comments are kind of saying, what's the big deal if I was given all that money, great work away, put it in my bank account. But I think maybe we need to clarify that this wasn't you weren't being handed or your kids weren't being handed millions of pounds. And I, I actually think the word loan, even though that is what it's called, is a loan.
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Unknown
It's more like a debt they were handed. Wasn't like they were handed all this money to go and spend. They were put into debt.
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Unknown
talking about the 2.34 billion. Well, that started in September 2000 and 2007. So initially that was for supporting the CFDs. When the CFD value goes down, when the share value goes down was a call on the money. But by March and May June the were getting uneasy because they had stuck in nearly 2 billion at this stage.
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Unknown
And then they say that, look, we'll get rid of the CFDs.
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Unknown
Yeah, this was their way of solving of solving the problem, which I think maybe creates a bigger problem. But anyway, I objected to that. And despite May objections and I said, no way. That just can't happen. Why did you object to what was your way of solving the way I saw that was very simple.
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Unknown
In 2007, when I told Sean Fitzpatrick and David Rome that we had 25% of the bank in CFD and we had all our money spent, we had no further funds to put into it. Well, if they didn't have to open them out the following week or the following month, when we would be a call on the family of four to meet the.
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Unknown
50, 110 million, whatever it was. We didn't have the money, so we had to sell the share. Yeah. So you were happy to sell the shares at that point? We didn't have a choice. When life have been so much easier. If you did that. If you did, what was your loss at that point? If you just sold 600 million, 600 million, you would have been able to just write off 600, but you would have made it back probably in a year or two years.
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Unknown
Well, sure, we made it hundred million in the two years that happened. So 27, 2000. And yet the company, including including privately held that we made over 800,000,000 in 2007, 2008 and we lost 660 million. Yes. So we were still profitable? Yes. So but the big one came here long when they said, look, we don't want it. We want to see if this and the other side that we're going to go long on the shares.
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Unknown
What means by them? Out. No more CFDs. So they got the Mapleton to take 10% of it. Mapleton was ten different individuals, one percentage. And this was all found to be illegal in courts. Later on, a few years later when it was investigated, that was I honestly don't know. I think maybe the Mapleton loans were seen unbelievably. I think they were seen,
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Unknown
legal.
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Unknown
And we were the Queens. I don't know what. All I can do is tell you what happened. And what happened was I objected strongly to this because I said, if you were going to do that. Why didn't you seldom a year, a year ago, and not be putting in 1.7, 1.8 billion and then selling them.
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Unknown
So just so it is clear but the, the, the loans and I, I think the word loan is thrown us off the debts. You could say it was put into the kids names. It was, it was, it wasn't alone. It wasn't like they were saying there's a couple of hundred million pounds lads going and spend it.
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Unknown
It was put into their names as a way of helping unwind this whole CFD thing. So these kids of yours, who are aged from 20 to 32 at the time, went from just having share shareholders and in companies no, they didn't know about. Yeah. To all of a sudden being told you are now €488 million in debt to us.
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Unknown
That's right. And that's, that's how that worked was. And then and then it was done as a was getting a penny, not a penny. It went to Cyprus. It was something was done in Cyprus. The money went to Cyprus I don't know. And to be clear, and that is where it was done to Cypriot companies that they weren't even aware that were set up.
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Unknown
Because this all went to court later. And they did say we weren't even aware the Cypriot companies existed. And again, I suppose it's, it's people might go, well, how can you not realize that companies existed in your name when you own so many companies and there's so much paperwork? And you did talk about this the last time?
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Unknown
You're just trusting people and you're signing, you know, you're signing accounts, you're signing legal letters, you're signing and sign and sign. And so to do due diligence, you would nearly need to have your full time job to be just reading everything through that you sign. So there was a bit too much trust maybe put into people. Documents were assigned, and I have to take responsibility for that because I done that from 1973.
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Unknown
I do not all day, every day, I often say in ten letters would not be on a phone call. And I never read one of them. Yeah. And I said, both the children saw me doing that and done that. And they said, oh, look, if it's good enough for daddy, it's good enough for us. And then that he may be in bad humor if we don't say it.
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Unknown
So I can understand that I have no blame to them at all. But this is what the Irish government don't tell them. Yeah. Okay. So just that that's clear that that it was that they were all put into to to debt, extreme debt and Patricia as well and anything to say. And you mentioned what they're saying. They did say nothing.
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Unknown
The never refused the first time that any of us refused to say nothing was put in front of us when we were asked by phrase to say, in retrospect, of legal advice, that was the first time me or any of the family refused to say what was put in front of us. Yeah, okay. And the the 100 million as well that was put into Patricia's name was particular particularly strange because she didn't even have share shares or anything in the company.
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Unknown
It was not a thing. It's like they could have just picked anyone, could have came to me and just said, there's 100 million. You're in debt now in in the way. So it was was illegal, but it did. I was reading into a did go to court the the deemed what happened with the Maple ten and those loans illegal and parts of that illegal but not what was done to the Quinn family.
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Unknown
That's right. Which was were there was some loophole, there was some way it was found. But we couldn't afford legal advice. We couldn't afford solicitors, we couldn't afford barristers. The Irish government were financing this and they had an open checkbook. They didn't mean spent whether they spent a million, 10 million or 100 million of which they did it spent millions on top and millions on top of it.
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Unknown
We couldn't afford that. So in fairness to the courts, did Paul Gallagher tell them that this 488.5 million was totally separate from the illegal loans because there was a two sets of illegal loans, there was illegal share support, which happened first. First, yeah. But then were the courts aware of this 488.5 million, which in the Kenny referred to
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Unknown
whatever about that which is which is outrageous. But for the 2 or 3, 3 or 4 million that we of rent that we took from India, Russia and Ukraine, 15 years later, they're still adding interest and penalties on that 3 or 4 million. Just never going to stop, never going to stop.
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Unknown
So they just wanted to ruin the kids for all of their lives. I've ruined it for the past 15 years, but they want to continue to ruin them and never give them a chance to put their nose up. I mean, they can the start a new business in the morning. I mean, if, if, if, if the queens are played for an insurance ladies tomorrow morning, I have no doubt we wouldn't get it.
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Unknown
We'd be refused.
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Unknown
Sean, I'm, I'm going to go to a couple of comments.
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Unknown
a lot of people asking about who who ended up with these assets and we have this is one from John Daly. The simple question one should ask is who benefited from the financial destruction of the entrepreneur John Quinn?
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Unknown
Well, I suppose all the people that
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Unknown
each of the characters for the last 15 years and there was of people, you know, there was fees coming out on a daily basis, so they all benefit as regards the assets themselves, when some of the assets were bought very cheap, because people generally didn't want buying assets that were in dispute.
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Unknown
But I suppose the left people in a very good position, because there's people working in some of our businesses that genuinely, genuinely believe that they're working, in essence, that were stolen from us. And the are there's no question about that. These assets were stolen from the Quinn's. Now, I don't blame the people for working in them. They have to work on the right.
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Unknown
And I would encourage them to work on it. But the facts of it are those businesses were all stolen and that's where people are working in. And as I said I'll repeat the staff are not to blame for that. But certainly some of the management teams are fully aware that these assets were stolen and are still happy to manage them.
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Unknown
We'll move on to the next one then. Jason Collins hard to know the whole truth. Really good employer I'd say. But what happened to all these properties abroad.
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Unknown
don't know. Okay. I don't know what I, what I do know is that again, the media with the media going to say that I'm laying into heavy on them, but I saw on the paper.
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Unknown
So because we, we haven't bought papers in 15 years in our house, but to be sent on to us and stuff that Patricia reads in the internet and this, that and the other and it was stated that some of our assets were overvalued back in 2007. He at 910. Well, there's not much there's not much sign of that because, I mean, I bought an old in the in the 90s in Cambridge in England for 11.25 million.
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Unknown
Michael Noonan sold it for 38 million.
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Unknown
There was the Hilton in Prague. I bought two towers for 140 million. They're selling one of them I believe. Now whether it's all on I don't know. But I've been talking about a figure between 250 and 300 million for an old one. One of the hotels and I paid 145, I think it was for two of them.
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Unknown
So they had more than doubled, and the one in Cambridge more than tripled. And the ones in Krakow, the ones in Bulgaria, you know, any of the any of the properties we bought there all worked a lot more than the were value at the time. But what they've done with that money and I can't understand because we promised committed to the veteran Sean Fitzpatrick and don't look horror that we would pay all of the money back.
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Unknown
These are the guys in Anglo, correct? Why is nobody coming up with the figure that Michael Noonan, Enda Kenny and Alan Dukes felt they would get a better result by destroying the Quinn group and taking it over? Why is nobody asking the question, how much did they get?
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Unknown
Is it unheard of in Ireland that the Garda will not investigate crime?
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Unknown
And that's a fact that refused bluntly to investigate crime reported by me, by others, by a solicitor. Dozens of occasions I put in three days telling the girls why? Why is all this thing hidden? This is this. This is serious, serious stuff. And it's been hidden by government, by the courts, by the media. Everybody is as Hayden is and doesn't want to discuss it.
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Unknown
The likes of the hotels that are only being sold now, we're. Where does that money go? No idea. No idea. Maybe the lower the price of days when the sell all these hotels and make all the money.
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Unknown
This one. Now, I don't really understand. I don't know much about Nama. How much did McCann Fitzgerald make of Nama?
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Unknown
I have no, I have no idea. All I know is that was one of the biggest disasters in the history of the country.
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Unknown
I must read more into Nam. I remember by the time Nama came round. I'd love to be it on that I had lost interest and I had actually moved to Australia. That because there was no work here.
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Unknown
Now, I'm not sure that that that made no sense. That was just whatever were taking over the wind group. So that was just a stupid taking over Irish banks that were making billions
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Unknown
and staying them. In other words, there were making profits of maybe two, three, 4 billion a year and just throwing them down. And the saying them
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Unknown
absolutely crazy.
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Unknown
So this is kind of around the people are asking why is nobody else being held accountable? So a TikTok comment said, corrupt criminal criminals at the top is what we are battling with. Why has this not been investigated and exposed to on the world media? And I suppose you have said that numerous times.
00:23:25:27 - 00:23:54:15
Unknown
I have, but I'll just say it again. I mean, it's now a fact, and I can give evidence, as much evidence on this as they want, that the Irish government are knowingly dealing with a criminal for the last 15, 16 years. Proven criminal Liam McCaffrey. So normally a government and the Garda and the media will support the victim of a crime.
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Unknown
In this case, the support in the criminal at the expense of the victim doesn't make any sense. And you know that it's not about it's not a matter of debate. So you know
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Unknown
and then on that someone says how how
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Unknown
is none of the bankers went to jail even though some had to be extradited. So yeah, not not of the bank.
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Unknown
One banker did jail. Am I right in, Dennis? There was a number of bankers. There was a number of bankers doing jail. But I mean, there was one banker. Dun dun done jail, which I think was a travesty of justice. This is per Dennis Casey and Dennis Casey. That was absolutely unbelievable. Whatever they done to me. Yeah, they don't want to Dennis Casey because Dennis Casey, he went into the central bank to meet the central bank.
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Unknown
Over.
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Unknown
This would have been around 2007, 2008, 2008. And him, the central bank governor and the regulator told him to wear the green jersey and he was sist each other and Anglo to assist each other in times of crisis. Difficult times were the green jersey and at year end help each other out. Yeah, they're doing exactly that. They were put in prison.
00:25:13:10 - 00:25:30:16
Unknown
I read some of the court documents and, and and he said that he was asked to wear the green jersey, which became a kind of a phrase at the time. Yeah. Which, as you say, help each other out. Yeah. So what he did then was he transferred, like 7.2 billion, wasn't it, from Irish Life and permanent. That's right.
00:25:30:22 - 00:25:56:03
Unknown
You you've read it up, right? Yeah I'm done. Ravenhill. Last night a true true Irish live in permanent into another company. That's right into Anglo to make it look like when Anglos bank when Anglos was coming to year end, it looked like that money had been given to them from a customer, but it was actually Anglos money that first of all went to Irish life and permanent.
00:25:56:08 - 00:26:18:05
Unknown
Well, I don't know what widow swapped around. I mean, it'd be put in the last day of the of your financial year and be taken out within 48 hours or so like that. Yeah, it'd be taken out straight away. But the thing about the thing about that is that was done to assist the banking system. There was no cover up on that.
00:26:18:08 - 00:26:48:28
Unknown
It was wrong. It was illegal. Fine. But the government promoted it. And as I said at the beginning of this podcast, I think the biggest crime in all of this is the cover up. If Anglo putting money into Quinn, share CFDs illegally the door doing it for the reason, but they personally had no financial benefit and doing it, no not it.
00:26:49:00 - 00:27:10:10
Unknown
It made them look good and it meant they didn't collapse. Well it did. Yeah. But I mean they had no direct finance. It didn't improve their pockets. Okay. Yeah. It made him made the company better. But it didn't make them personally any better. But some of the stuff went on after the fraud. Yeah. And the cover up I mean, I'd say I'd say there be.
00:27:10:12 - 00:27:44:15
Unknown
When, when, when this is done, finally done. And the cows come home. Home to roost. And that will see the amount of malfeasance and the amount of perverting the course of justice. It's here to go for pages, pages and pages. And it'll also go showing the level of criminality and case law. What the penalties was for that, for for that illegality.
00:27:44:17 - 00:27:54:05
Unknown
And that's what you and I have to do is prepare all the information that is there is clear, it's undisputed, and it's up to people a lot better than me
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Unknown
to.
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Unknown
Bring all that together and sell the picture of this. What was done illegally in 2007 and eight, and it was covered up for the following 15, 20 years, whatever it may be. And just before we move on from Dennis Casey, when I was doing my rabbit hole reading this, it was the reason they found him guilty was because in court, he said, I was told to put on the green jersey to to help out.
00:28:22:15 - 00:28:41:10
Unknown
And the reason that the guys who told him that got offered it was because they said, but putting on the green jersey does not, is not specific enough to say move 7.2 billion from here to here to here. So the that's how he was found guilty and he was sent to jail for nearly three years. It's a long time.
00:28:41:12 - 00:29:02:15
Unknown
It was it was wrong. Wrong long time. And no. And everyone else got cut off. Yeah. I mean I mean, it was worse. It was worse than that. Judge Nolan named people in the regulator's office. In the court. He named them. I am not going to name, but I well known. Yeah, he named them. He didn't go to jail.
00:29:02:18 - 00:29:07:19
Unknown
And and they were representing the government. They were they were, they were telling.
00:29:07:26 - 00:29:32:03
Unknown
Dennis Casey what to do. Yeah. And he named him. Yeah. But yet they were they got off scot free. And in a way that's a little bit scary and got bigger redundancy packages. Sorry. In a way it's a little bit scary because I suppose moving forward and hopefully if people can take something from this, it's don't necessarily just because you're being told to do something by someone who who comes across as higher up and in charge shouldn't necessarily do it.
00:29:32:03 - 00:29:48:03
Unknown
And definitely go and seek your own outside legal advice before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're not necessarily going to get looked after just because somebody tells you to walk across in front of a car, you shouldn't do it. Yeah, yeah. You know, have you ever met Dennis Casey review? No. Never met the man and never spoke to the man.
00:29:48:08 - 00:30:02:16
Unknown
I don't know anything about him, but I didn't see or hear from him. He's a decent man. Who was? He was done. Destroyed by the Irish government. Yeah, and the courts. It was just totally an absolutely wrong.
00:30:02:18 - 00:30:24:03
Unknown
Okay. So just come back. Coming back to some of the comments. This was on YouTube left by Thomas O'Rourke. And it says, why is Allan Jukes not responding to this interview. Why is he keeping quiet? I suppose the people in the border area knows all about. You know, when he said that a different DNA in the blood and more violence and stuff like that.
00:30:24:03 - 00:30:55:14
Unknown
So people knows a bit of that about and UK's but and use in my view has an awful lot to answer for because he was appointed by Brian Lenihan, Minister for finance, at the end of 2008, as a director on behalf of the area's public what was called. He was a public interest director. The big interest rector, in my view, should look in the public interest.
00:30:55:16 - 00:31:17:20
Unknown
And was it in the public interest for him not to take my 2.8 billion? Sure it wasn't. What did he do? He covered up for it. He let he he let. Cardiff Hair man had never done an exam.
00:31:17:22 - 00:31:40:02
Unknown
He let them do whatever they wanted and he was the main cover up for it. Whereas he should have been saying when he went in. If a former minister for finance and now acting in the public interest and he allowed all that went ahead a few months earlier, the 488 million for the family and all this sort of.
00:31:40:04 - 00:32:04:27
Unknown
It was crazy. He did not do his job, but not doing his job as one thing, but doing the opposite and telling lies about me and telling lies about the money he was going to get back. That's a lot worse. So Alan Jukes would have been a major, major problem. And I think that if it was nanny other country, he'd have got him behind bars.
00:32:04:29 - 00:32:23:06
Unknown
Have you ever spoke directly to him? Have you ever had a back and forth with him? Or only the day we met him down in Dublin. There in Dublin? Yeah. Yeah. And since, since that I met him once or twice since that. But I need him, I met him, it was like I'm old UCS and we'll tell you what to do and we'll leave this, that and the other.
00:32:23:06 - 00:32:25:21
Unknown
And we are taking we are taking your business. And
00:32:25:28 - 00:32:31:08
Unknown
So this comment is actually on TikTok. It says just watch a documentary on Larry Goodman.
00:32:31:10 - 00:33:03:10
Unknown
I wonder if Sean Quinn was furthering Faina Fall and Faina Gaels nests the way Goodman was. Would it have happened? Goodman got state protection whenever he demanded it. I I'm I don't know anything about this. Do you know about. No, I don't I don't want to get involved in other companies affairs either. I mean if whatever whatever happened, happened, what I, what I can say is that we as a company or me as an individual, I always voted for fall.
00:33:03:12 - 00:33:23:23
Unknown
Maybe not now, but I did for 20 or 30 years. And I still vote for them ahead of in jail. But I was never begin to donations or anything like that. You know any anybody ever came to our house to sell tickets or for a donation. We always tried to help and we always we always do.
00:33:23:23 - 00:33:37:10
Unknown
Not a bit, but we tried to keep out of the whole political scene and didn't really got involved. I wouldn't want mention, I wouldn't want talking about Larry Goodman goings on, what government either. That's not my business, really. You know.
00:33:37:17 - 00:33:55:17
Unknown
In the comments, a lot of people are saying that you were just greedy. The word greed is a, is mentioned a lot, so I'm gonna. That brings me to a couple of these comments. I don't know how you feel about being called greedy, but, I'll read out a couple of days and you can respond them.
00:33:55:22 - 00:33:57:13
Unknown
So this comment,
00:33:57:16 - 00:34:20:10
Unknown
says, I don't really understand what he's complaining about. He gambled and lost. Or am I missing something? That is the nature of CFDs. They offer enormous upside, but the downside can be devastating. Well, the first one will share my greed, I suppose. I was ambitious, and whether it was in sport or whether it was anything.
00:34:20:16 - 00:34:49:20
Unknown
You know, I like winning and I think everybody likes winning. Some people are more capable of winning than others, and I, I might have been in that category. But as regards me not complaining, the simple fact of it are that I lost 660 million pounds. These are the facts. I lost 660 million pounds of group family money, whatever you may call it.
00:34:49:27 - 00:34:59:07
Unknown
Fact in 2007 2008, in those same two years, I made over 800 million pounds.
00:34:59:12 - 00:35:02:29
Unknown
So how the question been asked,
00:35:02:29 - 00:35:25:23
Unknown
really, it should be asked of the government. It shouldn't be asked of me because it was the government put in that money, that extra 2.34 billion. I didn't ask for that money. I told Sean Fitzpatrick, David Rome what the position was. We had no further funds there, spoke to the government that day and the next day, and they put in that money.
00:35:25:25 - 00:35:46:11
Unknown
I think the problem with it is they should never, ever have put it in the kids names being 20 and 32 years of age, put for the 2.34 billion a debt in their name without talking to them, they should have done what a b a Bank of Ireland would do. And that is when to be a call on the shares.
00:35:46:11 - 00:36:05:13
Unknown
We had to sell the shares and we'd have lost a 660 million, but we could well have for losers. Yeah. And I suppose to come back to greed, like if it had been a success, like you're saying, ambitious, I get that. I don't know why people want to call it greed and greed. If you're a multi-billionaire, you're making all this money.
00:36:05:13 - 00:36:33:22
Unknown
You need to reinvest it. You need to try stuff. You need to look at different options. So and that's what you were doing. So I don't know what to call it. Greed sort of baffles me. Well, well money. Money was never my god. But I know I mean, I've said it before, I've said a number of times and that is that when we won the first senior championship in 1969, Fermanagh, we, we were greedy enough that we wanted to win more.
00:36:33:24 - 00:36:55:22
Unknown
And we did. We won four more. Yeah. Was that greed? Is it greedy for Limerick to. In many to many Holland and Ireland's is greedy for Dublin or Kerry to win. Of course as greed is ambition. But yeah. But into this life try to be successful because there's a lot of people in the world is not able to look after themselves, children, pensioners and people that were born a bit unlucky.
00:36:55:26 - 00:37:36:20
Unknown
So there's a lot of people that have to be looked after. I was fortunate enough to be in a position to assist in that, and I think that anybody with any ambition should be proud of that, and they shouldn't be criticized. I mean, if you take that kid somebody from loud, that one gold medal weeks ago, or the fellow from Donegal and won the gold or the girl swimmer I was, I watched that very, very closely and I was full of pride to see the success to dear child and the amount of time and effort that they put in and doing that was unbelievable.
00:37:36:22 - 00:37:59:01
Unknown
And I was absolutely delighted as I was to see me a win in the lowland. I mean, we all get great enjoyment from people being successful. And after all that Mayo had been through, it was one of the best years of my life to see them coming through and win their it. Yeah, I suppose there's a fine line between I maybe I'm saying it wrong, but greed and I like the way you replace the word greed with ambitious.
00:37:59:04 - 00:38:16:08
Unknown
So that's what I'm going to do from now on. When I read the comments and I see the word greed, I'll just replace it with ambitious, because those guys that you're talking about, they need to be greedy or ambitious to say, I want another All Ireland, I want this, I need this, and I don't want a silver, I don't want a bronze, I want to gold.
00:38:16:10 - 00:38:20:19
Unknown
Yes, yes, yeah. And and it's brilliant when they get it.